Quick hits
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, July 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Some quick hits from Day 2 of “learning intensive’’ practices:
Q: Is there any update on Derrick Burgess, coach?
Tom Cable: No.
And that’s your official Raiders statement on Burgess, who has missed voluntary workouts for the last few years but has expanded his repetoire.
– Few plays run to completion, even during seven-on-seven drills, which made it more than a little comical when defensive coordinator John Marshall said, “It’s about time for a pick.’’
If the Raiders did manage a pick when quarterbacks were not throwing the ball, now that would have been a story.
– One of the first drills, one that last a good 10 minutes, was positioning for “run fits,’’ or where defenders “fit’’ into gaps to stop the opposition from running.
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey got past Stanford Routt during a drill, he drew the praise of Willie Brown, “He’s so fast and quick, got a nice release . . . we’ve got something for you next week, though.’’
Brown didn’t have to wait a week. Routt slowed Heyward-Bey with an initial shove. “Nice hands,’’ Brown said.
Replied Routt: “Gotta slow him down.’’
– Speaking of Routt, Cable said he’s in a competition with Chris Johnson to start at corner opposite Asomugha, and the reps would seem to bear that out.
Johnson said the job is his. More on that later . . .
– Cable didn’t want to delve into specifics, so we won’t here, either, but Trevor Scott is doing more than putting his hand down and rushing a defensive end. More on that later . . .
– Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard have started 32 games alongside each other, but aren’t always on the same page.
“Under, under, under, under!,’’ barked linebackers coach Mike Haluchak with regard to a coverage. “You’ve got to communicate!’’
– Visual evidence (seeing Terdell Sands leave the field house in a tank top and shorts) suggests the defensive tackle is in the best shape he has been since joining the Raiders.
– Recently-waived quarterback Danny Southwick is still around, but not in uniform. He holds a clipboard much of the time, but for a short period of time he was throwing passes to Chaz Schilens and Heyward-Bey. He classified himself as an “intern.’’
– It’s a year to the day since Javon Walker told Al Davis he was considering retirement, after which Lane Kiffin openly questioned his desire. None of that this year. Walker can hardly wait to take the field, although that could be two weeks away.
“When they let me loose, it’s on after that,’’ Walker said.
Walker had plenty else to say about what he hopes is a miraculous comeback season.
More on that later . . .
– Defensive end Jay Richardson has not been getting snaps with the first team, and often not with the second team either.
– Here’s your training camp definition of TMI , or Too Much Information for those of you who are acronym challenged. Tommy Kelly jogged off the field briefly, only to return a short time later.
He went to the restroom, Cable reported.
Not sure if he really had to go, or if it was a false start. He made his fourth false start in two days.
– Five more “learning intensive’’ practices to go before the hitting begins.
“I looked over at you guys and wondered why you’re even out here,’’ one player said.
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July 31st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Thanks Jerry, keep the blogs and tweets coming!!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I love the line from DWhite:
Walker was very cryptic when asked about the surgical procedure, saying “it’s something new … it’s going to be something amazing that’s going to benefit and help a lot of athletes.”
Walker declined to say anything else about the procedure. When asked if it was in the United States, Walker said, “I don’t know where it was done. I’m clueless.”
what?? huh? Dont know where – smells fishy!!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Fuk the Dischargers
July 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Yeah, and Southwick is a long last name too, and they they even spell out the first name Danny Southwick…. That’s alot of wasted pixles. Try D.S., or 4th strg, or something short…
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AZ Raider, you left out the other Z in your name.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
GO RAIDERS!!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
- From D White
Walker was very cryptic when asked about the surgical procedure, saying “it’s something new … it’s going to be something amazing that’s going to benefit and help a lot of athletes.”
Walker declined to say anything else about the procedure. When asked if it was in the United States, Walker said, “I don’t know where it was done. I’m clueless.”
Something to be said for someone that refers to themselves in the 3rd person and doesn’t know where he had surgery that will revolutionize all athletes.
Thanks for the encouragement Walker!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
lemme guess…
they’re gonna see how Scott works out at linebacker…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
– Recently-waived quarterback Danny Southwick is still around, but not in uniform. He holds a clipboard much of the time, but for a short period of time he was throwing passes to Chaz Schilens and Heyward-Bey. He classified himself as an “intern.’’
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HOW BOUT THEM PIZELS AZZ RAIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
the Rams had Jim Zorn as an intern if i recall correctly…
trying to remember the story…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I’m going to give JWalker a BIG margin of error & say he thought the question was where was the procedure developed. Then he makes sense.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Fuk u 405!
Can’t you see/read walker was being sarcastic??
July 31st, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Raider Fan – 405 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
- From D White
Walker was very cryptic when asked about the surgical procedure, saying “it’s something new … it’s going to be something amazing that’s going to benefit and help a lot of athletes.”
Walker declined to say anything else about the procedure. When asked if it was in the United States, Walker said, “I don’t know where it was done. I’m clueless.”
Something to be said for someone that refers to themselves in the 3rd person and doesn’t know where he had surgery that will revolutionize all athletes.
Thanks for the encouragement Walker!
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Do you understand what 3rd person means? Leon can’t do it all…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Cable has also opened up middle linebacker, where Ricky Brown gets a crack to unseat leading tackler Kirk Morrison.
Right defensive end seems less open than anticipated. Trevor Scott is getting all the snaps with returning starter Jay Richardson stuck with the second unit.
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No Pete, Scott is the RDE. Marshall does go to a 3-3-5 set in some Nickel situations, but Scott will not be in coverage.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Learning intensive. Learning where to line up, what their assignments are, what they’re supposed to be doing…
If ever there was a defense that needed this sort of practice, it’s this one. Good on Marshall for having the sense to start at square one with this bunch.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Oakglenn,
I don’t know that your explanation can account for the 2007 season. Kiffin wasn’t purposefully doing things in those games to put the defense in bad spots, in fact, we actually had an advantage in time of possession with our offense controlling the clock with the running game, and yet Rob Ryan’s defense blew how many 4th quarter leads that year? 4? 5? I can’t remember anymore…it was like a nightmare.
How could Kiffin not want a new DC after that? Our supposed great passing defense from 2006 was proven to be a sham, nothing more than a result of teams not having to pass against us because we couldn’t score or stop the run in 2006. no matter who his dad is or what his brother has done, Rob Ryan was a miserable failure in Oakland…let’s see what he can do in Cleveland running a 3-4…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Q. hey TW what site do you spend yer life on?
A. I have no clue! I am clueless!
Q. What is that hanging out of you A$$?
A. “I got this one” that is my thumb!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Yeah, I know what it means to refer to yourself in the third person, that’s for the lessons.
Problem is, Walker by most accounts has done nothing but cause problems and get a paycheck.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
jhill Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Cable has also opened up middle linebacker, where Ricky Brown gets a crack to unseat leading tackler Kirk Morrison.
Right defensive end seems less open than anticipated. Trevor Scott is getting all the snaps with returning starter Jay Richardson stuck with the second unit.
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No Pete, Scott is the RDE. Marshall does go to a 3-3-5 set in some Nickel situations, but Scott will not be in coverage.
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hey jhill b!tch
go get me a turkey pot pie!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Looking at Jerry’s cherubic mug on Twitter, he definitely looks like a troublemaker.
Probably a juvenile delinquent in his youth.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
jhill Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Cable has also opened up middle linebacker, where Ricky Brown gets a crack to unseat leading tackler Kirk Morrison.
Right defensive end seems less open than anticipated. Trevor Scott is getting all the snaps with returning starter Jay Richardson stuck with the second unit.
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No Pete, Scott is the RDE. Marshall does go to a 3-3-5 set in some Nickel situations, but Scott will not be in coverage.
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i hosed my own joke… i was reponding to this:
– Cable didn’t want to delve into specifics, so we won’t here, either, but Trevor Scott is doing more than putting his hand down and rushing a defensive end. More on that later . .
i meant to say:
they’re gonna see how Scott works out at tight end…
July 31st, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I see MR has added a new demented personality in Tony Pigagoosa. Disappear, stick your head up your ass & JUMP!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
The real question is, what does Coach Cable’s T-Shirt say today?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
DWhite:
Walker was very cryptic when asked about the surgical procedure, saying “it’s something new … it’s going to be something amazing that’s going to benefit and help a lot of athletes.”
Walker declined to say anything else about the procedure. When asked if it was in the United States, Walker said, “I don’t know where it was done. I’m clueless.”
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Give the guy a break, he scored a 7 on the wonderlic…it is a miracle that he can tie his own sh0es in the morning!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
OG
No worries bro, sorry for the misinterpretation. I never even really know it’s you now that registration has been removed.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Walker wears “Loafers”.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pm
More on that later….
More on that later….
More on that later….
Chris johnson getting beat out by Routt? Way to go Routt if you can do it, but damn… Either you got a hell of alot better or Chris was a one year wonder?
Scott taking snaps at LB?
C’mon, Chris, get your game back… Shoulda gone to Prime-U again LOL.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Darren McFadden continues to line up often as a wideout, and Cable promises an expanded role for last year’s No. 4 overall pick — if only to get two good running backs on the field at once.
“There’s no question about that,” Cable said. “You have to find a way to get those people involved because really they’re all three playmakers in their own way.”
July 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
When Cable says they are going back to basics, he isn’t kidding.
Quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett pulled the quarterbacks to a corner for audible drills. With no one else around, the quarterbacks had to practice making a snap count, backing away from the imaginary center to call an audible — hand motions and all — then take a “snap” and drop back.
Hackett mixed it up by calling out defensive looks, requiring the quarterbacks to declare what audible they would go to in that situation.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Great, convert McFadden to a WR to get more touches for Fargas, lol.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
dmcfadden20 Time for my nap be4 tha next practice
July 31st, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Why does McFadden need a nap? It’s not even hot up here and they aren’t doing anything labor intensive.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I want you to all know that Im not gay…ok?…pass it on.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
can someone post links to dwhites twitter page and also jerry’s? thanks in advance.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Fugg mr i’ll eat that bishes lunch.
what the fuk is jhill anyway? a bird?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Dogg,
People that are depressed often need naps…when Cable ran up to McFadden when McFadden first got to camp and asked him to draw up some more plays, McFadden got a little depressed okay…give the guy a break!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Dorko, yer g@y alrighy. jus cum out the closet!
pull the plunger from yer azz
July 31st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
why are there so many gay refferences on this board? Did something change while I was away? stick to raider football morons or go find a bathhouse…
July 31st, 2009 at 1:21 pm
twitter.com/Jerrymcd
twitter.com/bydavidwhite
July 31st, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Darn…my butt really is sore…cant figure out why.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Dakota
I think the word “nap” is McFadden slang for “knock up some Napa hottie”.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Lol…you are probably right about that Dogg!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Lakers waive Sun Yue! There goes the 2010 championship!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
# Dakota Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Oakglenn,
I don’t know that your explanation can account for the 2007 season. Kiffin wasn’t purposefully doing things in those games to put the defense in bad spots, in fact, we actually had an advantage in time of possession with our offense controlling the clock with the running game, and yet Rob Ryan’s defense blew how many 4th quarter leads that year? 4? 5? I can’t remember anymore…it was like a nightmare.
How could Kiffin not want a new DC after that? Our supposed great passing defense from 2006 was proven to be a sham, nothing more than a result of teams not having to pass against us because we couldn’t score or stop the run in 2006. no matter who his dad is or what his brother has done, Rob Ryan was a miserable failure in Oakland…let’s see what he can do in Cleveland running a 3-4…
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Yes and no. Kiffin wanted his dad for a variety of reasons, Al wanted Kiffin to improve the O and not worry about the D. Kiffin moved us up from 32nd in offense to 25th. Shoot, if I was the Head Coach, and OC, after Shell, I would have moved us up too. Kiffin did not earn more hiring responsibility. Actually, our pass defense was pretty good for most of the 2006-2008 seasons. Maybe not the best in the league, but certainly in the top third. And with a more sustained pass rush (looking at D. Burgess, towel on head, nursing a “calf” here) it probably would have been top 5. Again, and I have said this a ton of times here. Offenses, HAVE to win games in the fourth quarter in the contemporary NFL. With all the rule changes to “liberate” scoring, defenses are at a disadvantage. Please note the last two Super Bowl games, where ALL FOUR TEAMS, marched down the field and scored in the end. With all the rule changes and going for on it on fourth down, it is not like it used to be as far as defenses making great stands. It’s best to be up by 10-14 points late if you expect to win. We never were.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Jerry Mac…
Why are you guys there?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:27 pm
July 31st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
OG
No worries bro, sorry for the misinterpretation. I never even really know it’s you now that registration has been removed.
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total non issue dogg.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:29 pm
OG
I will be doing the Mule VIP treatment in September at the Warfield. Will you be in the house?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I hear what you are saying Oakglenn. Let’s just hope then that the offense improves quite a bit in 2009 to help take some of that pressure off of the D. Make some opponents have to throw that ball to beat us once in a while and things will look better overall.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
When Cable says they are going back to basics, he isn’t kidding.
Quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett pulled the quarterbacks to a corner for audible drills. With no one else around, the quarterbacks had to practice making a snap count, backing away from the imaginary center to call an audible — hand motions and all — then take a “snap” and drop back.
Hackett mixed it up by calling out defensive looks, requiring the quarterbacks to declare what audible they would go to in that situation.
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Such MFing good news! Russell couldn’t diagnose a damn thing last year! Auduble to DMAC! He should be a blitz nullifier like Faulk was! BSJ loves him some exclamation points!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Mr53 I’m trying to put the final touches on my foundation website before I take this nap. The Thomas Howard Walk-On scholarship coming soon…
I guess Thomas Howard is hitting some Napa tail as well…
July 31st, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Dogg, Might be. Let me rephrase that. Most likely will be.
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Dakota, I don’t think there is any doubt Marshall will be an improvement. Let me ask you a question. Say, you were a great established NFL coach, and you had your choice: you could either work with Mike Holmgren and his team, or some knuckle head that never coached at any level in his life. Where would you go?? What I am saying is raiding Holmgrens staff and bringing them here, is most likely going to be an improvement over some of the guys that were brought here by Kiffin.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Dakota Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Lakers waive Sun Yue! There goes the 2010 championship!
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This might mean Morrison is progessing…
July 31st, 2009 at 1:37 pm
“More on that later.” Is code for:
“I’ve got to hurry over to the free lunch spread, it’s fish stick Friday, yippie!.”
July 31st, 2009 at 1:37 pm
DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Such MFing good news! Russell couldn’t diagnose a damn thing last year! Auduble to DMAC! He should be a blitz nullifier like Faulk was! BSJ loves him some exclamation points!
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Just ask D.S. what audible to run. He has his clip board out and all…
July 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Yes and no. Kiffin wanted his dad for a variety of reasons, Al wanted Kiffin to improve the O and not worry about the D. Kiffin moved us up from 32nd in offense to 25th. Shoot, if I was the Head Coach, and OC, after Shell, I would have moved us up too. Kiffin did not earn more hiring responsibility. Actually, our pass defense was pretty good for most of the 2006-2008 seasons. Maybe not the best in the league, but certainly in the top third. And with a more sustained pass rush (looking at D. Burgess, towel on head, nursing a “calf” here) it probably would have been top 5. Again, and I have said this a ton of times here. Offenses, HAVE to win games in the fourth quarter in the contemporary NFL. With all the rule changes to “liberate” scoring, defenses are at a disadvantage. Please note the last two Super Bowl games, where ALL FOUR TEAMS, marched down the field and scored in the end. With all the rule changes and going for on it on fourth down, it is not like it used to be as far as defenses making great stands. It’s best to be up by 10-14 points late if you expect to win. We never were.
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Really? Are we still bickering about Kiffin? And did you really just defend Rob Ryan, he of the inevitable 4th quarter meltdown. Get your head checked, fella!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
kirkmorrison52 Camp isn’t fun but you gotta find the little things that make it fun. Like listening to people on your team try to rap. Key word is try. Lol
July 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
no more infield… Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
why are there so many gay refferences on this board? Did something change while I was away? stick to raider football morons or go find a bathhouse…
U wernt away f-ing lier u are a troll! yer real name is Raider O. F@G limp wrist HOe MOe
July 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
During the first days of camp, Coach Cable wore a shirt that read: “Wanted: 53 Men Committed to One Purpose”
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The question is; what purpose? Screwing Al Davis out of as much money as possible?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pm
OG
consideritdan.com has the VIP packages. It’s shaping up pretty nicely. I’ll be hitting the Raider game the day after the Mule show. It will be one hell of a week:
Tues thru Fri – Staying at a beachhouse in Carmel
Fri – Mule
Sat – Mule including after party
Sun – Raiders game
Monday – sleep
July 31st, 2009 at 1:47 pm
# GET HELP!!! Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Yes and no. Kiffin wanted his dad for a variety of reasons, Al wanted Kiffin to improve the O and not worry about the D. Kiffin moved us up from 32nd in offense to 25th. Shoot, if I was the Head Coach, and OC, after Shell, I would have moved us up too. Kiffin did not earn more hiring responsibility. Actually, our pass defense was pretty good for most of the 2006-2008 seasons. Maybe not the best in the league, but certainly in the top third. And with a more sustained pass rush (looking at D. Burgess, towel on head, nursing a “calf” here) it probably would have been top 5. Again, and I have said this a ton of times here. Offenses, HAVE to win games in the fourth quarter in the contemporary NFL. With all the rule changes to “liberate” scoring, defenses are at a disadvantage. Please note the last two Super Bowl games, where ALL FOUR TEAMS, marched down the field and scored in the end. With all the rule changes and going for on it on fourth down, it is not like it used to be as far as defenses making great stands. It’s best to be up by 10-14 points late if you expect to win. We never were.
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Really? Are we still bickering about Kiffin? And did you really just defend Rob Ryan, he of the inevitable 4th quarter meltdown. Get your head checked, fella!
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No. We’re not bickering about Kiffin at all. And, we are talking about defense in the NFL of which Ryan is a very small part. Get a reading tutor fella!! You know, reading is FUNdamental!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Pretty nice week Dogg!! Kicking it all off with beach house in Carmel! Niiiiiiice!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:37 pm
DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Such MFing good news! Russell couldn’t diagnose a damn thing last year! Auduble to DMAC! He should be a blitz nullifier like Faulk was! BSJ loves him some exclamation points!
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Just ask D.S. what audible to run. He has his clip board out and all…
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July 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Southwick wants to play sooo bad he’s willing to work for free as a interim lmfao!!!!!!!! Wow how about them apples his greatness is soooo awsome the raiders can’t let him go! Man he’s soo awsome
July 31st, 2009 at 1:52 pm
OG
The funny thing is it just all fell into place. Couldn’t have planned it better if I had tried.
How are you feeling about the Cabrera trade?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
kirkmorrison52 3 practices down and getting ready for the 4th later. So far so good. Feels good to run around with the guys on defense and make plays.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Dakota-I agree 100% regarding the T-Shirt….
It’s a gimmick that shows his inability to coach and lead his men….
If this team wants to win 8 games…let Garcia start and also call his own plays…
Anything short of that will result in a 5 win season with Coach Cable being replaced following the year…
Last season….I told you all what was to become of Kiffin…this year will be no different….
Sorry to be the one who knows…but someone does!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:59 pm
DirtyBathWater Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Southwick wants to play sooo bad he’s willing to work for free as a interim lmfao!!!!!!!! Wow how about them apples his greatness is soooo awsome the raiders can’t let him go! Man he’s soo awsome
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Nice to have players that WANT to be part of the Raiders! The kid is probably on cloud nine. Andrew Wawa hits the bricks, and clearly Southwick is a fit somehow.
The Southwick Express is coming into Lombardi Station, and Hackett appears to be the engineer…
July 31st, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Folks,
Lane Kiffin was hired by Al Davis. Rob Ryan was retained by Al Davis. Hell, Lane Kiffin initially hired Tom Cable.
The past is what it is. Mistakes were made. BIG MISTAKES….especially with free agency in recent times. Another mistake would be playing Jeff Garcia…but I digress.
Let’s see what happens on week 1
July 31st, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Is this supposed to be training camp?
If I was coaching this team these guys would be so dam tired that they wouldn’t have time to tweet in their rooms…
What happened to NFL football?
Training Camp should be about building a foundation through PAIN and suffering….building your team through a co-heasive struggle….
“Fatigue makes cowards of us all”
July 31st, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Of course we can’t get a reason for not improving at all this season. Despite not having a 1st year starter, despite DMac being healthy, despite speed at the WR spot, despite no Kwame Harris, and despite no coaching drama, we won’t be any better. LOL!
I know, I know, it’s still Al Davis calling the shots, so of course we won’t win.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
This season is going to be a trainwreck….WRITE THAT DOWN!
This year, 5-11 won’t feel like improvement! The fact that there is so much optimism with what happened last year makes me want to puke….
We are laughed at by the whole league…and we deserve it!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Coach Elkins,
One would hope….with the history of 4th QTR breakdowns and DT rotation issues…that conditioning would be at or near the top of the list of priorities
July 31st, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Javon Walker is a goddamned bufoon!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Dogg, can’t evaluate the Cabrera trade. Too angry. And not at Cabrera. This new ownership group of the Oakland A’s is a complete and total disaster. Fisher and Wolf make Al Davis look like Good King Wenseslas. Couple that with the fact that Billy Beane is beginning to look like Dave Twardzik, and the A’s are a catastrophe with no hope.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Jerry better give us a live chat soon…or is that a server prob too? IBA = Its Broke Again Media?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
July 31, 2009
Raiders training camp day 3 practice 1 quick notes
Punt return duties – Samie Parker, Nick Miller, JLH
Chaz Schillens and DHB worked on pass catching drills together in the morning and both worked with the first team all morning.
DHB was catching everything when he was pushing off with his left leg and moving right. When he lined up on the right and went left, pushing off of his bad leg, he had trouble making his cuts and catching the ball…that hammy might be bothering him, but he told us that he was 100% yesterday.
Defensive backs practiced double teaming receivers
WR Nick Miller looks quick and keeps jumping out at you. He is also catching everything thrown his way.
As we walked to one side of the practice field, Jeff Garcia was in the corner taking a piss and blasting us, “Can I get a little privacy please?” The media got a laugh about that. Pissing on the field and asking for privacy.
During 1 on 1 drills, Michael Bush beat Thomas Howard and made the catch. Howard looked over to a camera guy and said, “Don’t be filming that shit man!” It was pretty funny and everyone laughed.
Oren O’Neil made a smooth double-move and turned Slade Norris around, making him look like a rookie, and caught a ball over his head…O’Neil looked pretty good.
Camp punter, Ricky Schmitt was booming 50-yarders in practice to nobody. His punts looked pretty good, but not 4.5s hang-time…more like 3.8s
Javon Walker was on the field doing some instruction with Ted Tollner. He was trying to help out some of the receivers with their rout running.
McFadden is in the slot an awful lot. He starts in the backfield and then runs into formation before the play. He’s been going against a corner quite a bit.
The blitz has been a defensive staple. Thomas Howard is coming off the edge, Morrison sometimes moves to the edge and blitzes and other times blitzes the middle.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:10 pm
OG
I am bummed to see Cabrera go. I guess this means Crosby slide back into the SS spot. I hope he can stay healthy.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:11 pm
The season rides on the oline period. We can have all the speed and talent at Hb, but if the line can’t protect we are doomed so hopefully we can do it lets hope Green don’t get to start at tackle, then again, we don’t know about barnes, seems he had the same problem in jville. That being said I have faith in cable he can turn anyone into a blocking machine…………with the exception of kwame!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
This year, 5-11 won’t feel like improvement! The fact that there is so much optimism with what happened last year makes me want to puke….
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Well, since we went 5-11 last year, if we go 5-11 this year, it won’t be an improvement.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Where did that come rom Dogg?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:02 pm
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Just go away dude… We’re all tired of losing, but give it a rest. optimism… It’s cool, and relieves stress! Get some, or at least drink the kool-aid!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:14 pm
jhill
from The Dark Side
http://tfdssports.com/2009/07/31/raiders-training-camp-day-3-practice-1-quick-notes.html
July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Schillens and DHB with the first team?
With DMac in the slot?
Sounds good!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 pm
9-7!!!
Drink it! I just made it!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I think that’s the point with Beane. He let Tejada go and kept Chavez and Crosby. Look at all the guys he has gotten rid of, and the ones he’s kept. The young pitchers I am fine with but, Jack Cust??? Thank God he finally came to his senses and got rid of Hanahan. Dogg, these are NOT major league players.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pm
After the second day of “teaching practices” Tom Cable once again faced the local media.
Cable has said that his new and different approach has drawn positive feedback from his players:
Lorenzo Neal said to me, “You know in 17 years, I’ve never seen anything like this, but I can’t believe how much we’re getting out of it,” you know just in our talks, in our room, or in meetings, or whatever, it’s a chance to really sort it out and work through it before all of a sudden you put the combative part into it, which will start on Monday.”
This is unique because we don’t have the stress, we don’t get beat up, we’re really learning and relearning, and for the veterans there’s some review obviously, but there’s little details. Everything comes up. Something came up today with Cooper Carlisle and Cornell Green that they’ve probably had 4-5 other times in the last two years but bang it happened again today. It’s just a chance to talk it through, reteach and just kind of solidify it in their brains, OK, we got it.
In addition to focusing on the basics, this manner of running camp gives the players a chance to get acclimated to being in camp once again, or as Cable said yesterday, to get their minds right:
We’re getting enough of that and again, if you remember, part of this is the routine too of a two-a-day, and the whole process of getting taped, in meetings, and getting out of bed and back to bed, and all those sort of things. So, we feel like we’re accomplishing exactly what we set out to do.
As of now, there are no updates on the Derrick Burgess situation, and Tom Cable would not devote time to Burgess except to say that there are no updates. Darren McFadden, has been lining up at receiver, and Cable would speak on this use of McFadden:
You know, a lot’s been talked about with that, but if you look at us the last six weeks of the season and particularly the last three weeks, we used him more in that role, extensively in the last two weeks, and it seemed to really compliment everybody, it opened everybody up. I think it adds a lot to us and he’s a guy that there’s no question has to get a number of touches in a ballgame and he helps everybody around him.
Coach Cable talked about the level of competition at wide receiver, and how there were several qualified players fighting for that last spot:
The No. 1 thing is catching the ball and making plays. There’s no question we’ve emphasized the need and the importance of improving our passing game. I think it will really come down to who can do that, who can make plays catching the ball, getting open and run after the catch. All those things go into that position.
He praised fourth round pick Louis Murphy:
He’s a guy that came out of a good program and is very passionate about playing the game. For him, it’s just learning our offense, a new system for him and just keep doing it but he’s progressing very well.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Thanks Dogg!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
LMFAO at Daly shooting an 88 today!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Who the hell is Nick Miller? UFA?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I feel you OG. I am starting to have Charlie O flashbacks!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Dakota
He was a UFA
http://www.raiders.com/Team/PlayerBio.aspx?id=62976
July 31st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Dakota, Nick Miller WR out of Southern Utah.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thanks guys.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:23 pm
” One of the first drills, one that last a good 10 minutes, was positioning for “run fits,’’ or where defenders “fit’’ into gaps to stop the opposition from running.”
This is great!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:25 pm
off to shoot some hoops, catch you guys later.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:26 pm
“The Lakers did issue a news release earlier this week to announce a done deal, moving their Oct. 9 exhibition game against Golden State to their formerly fabulous Forum…”
Sweet!!! Warriors and Lakers in the Forum once again!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:35 pm
He’s a guy that came out of a good program and is very passionate about playing the game. For him, it’s just learning our offense, a new system for him and just keep doing it but he’s progressing very well.
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Will Murphy start out as the 3rd or 4th WR?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Will he make the team?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Dakota…
Not all the news from camp is good:
Cable said he needed to find a way to get the ball to all THREE running backs, “Because they all are playmakers on their own way.”—raiderbeat
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Sounds like more Huggy jr. up the middle to me.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:39 pm
More on that later….
July 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
In not On….
July 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
3rd I hope…
Senario 1:
1. Walker – Comes out on Fire and wins #1 spot?
2. Chaz
3. DHB
4. Murphy
5. JLH – Can concentrate on his PR/KR game
Senerio 2:
1. Chaz Schilens – Walker is what everyone else thinks.
2. Darrius Heyward-Bey
3. Louis Murphy
4. Johnnie Lee Higgins
5. Todd Watkins
July 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Nice to see the Raiders players and coaches have so much time to communicate with all the media personnel…
But what the hell…it’s training camp, right?
WAKE UP RAIDER NATION….
The Raiders don’t need mental reps….they need to develop an attitude…an attitude that cannot be faked by walk throughs…saving their bodies….blah blah blah…its not football….it sounds more like golf!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Dogg you are the man!……. Err Dogg? Lol thanks for the inside scoop
July 31st, 2009 at 2:45 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Dakota…
Not all the news from camp is good:
Cable said he needed to find a way to get the ball to all THREE running backs, “Because they all are playmakers on their own way.”—raiderbeat
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Sounds like more Huggy jr. up the middle to me.
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Yeah, I know…can’t fix stupid…if Kwame was still here I am sure Cable would be trying to fit him in at RT, lol.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
The Raiders don’t need mental reps…
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Actually coach most of these guys are young players. We have a really young team and I have noticed that they are thinking a lot out there. When you watch Jamarcus play, he plays at his best when he doesn’t think, he starts slinging it, and it just becomes football for him. Chaz Shilens was doing the same thing. Thinking exactly which foot to plant, how many steps, where to cut. Doing all this mental stuff is REALLY a good sign. It shows an extreme attention to detail. something that has been sorely lacking out there.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:49 pm
jhill Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Schillens and DHB with the first team?
With DMac in the slot?
Sounds good!
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With a sledgehammer like Michael Bush in the backfield. That would be money. Do you go Nickel? How would the opponent stop the run?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:49 pm
DirtyBathWater Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Dogg you are the man!……
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No doubt Dogg IS the man!! (did that make sense??)
July 31st, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I don’t care who gets hurt…I want 53 guys who will die for one another…and that means they have to be put through meaningless PAIN!
If oney gets hurt….stick another one in the game…I’d rather know in practice if I can count on a guy…
Kirk Morrison please step away from your twitter account and be a man…
Where is the leader on this team?
If they had one, he’d be talking shit to his coach right about now telling him what are we wasting our time here for…lets hit….
Let get to know one another…lets find out what we have…and more importantly, what we don’t have….
The problem is the NFL and the Oakland Raiders are filled with guys who live by what they’ve already done…not what they plan to do….hiding behind their contracts….
I’m sure Lorenzo Neal loves that they aren’t hitting, right?…I mean, why wouldn’t he…he is a full back…what does he have to prove?
Of course the players are going to say they like the ease of camp….why wouldn’t they, heck, they’re all getting paid!
Pracitice should look something like this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArfkSX7ssM4
July 31st, 2009 at 2:52 pm
You know what really grinds my gears?? Is how in the world if anyother team signs vick its a bad idea it’ll bring shame to the organization but if the patriots sign him its genious??? Its acceptable?? They already have damn near the best wr’s the best qb, the best line, and all thsi stuff. Now they get the best qb fit for the wildcat??? I think the nfl favors them. I don’t care what anyone says I think the raiders should sign vick… Why can the patriots get all the love but no one else when it comes to players looking for a second chance with a chip on their shoulder.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Mental stuff is done in the classroom..not on the field!
The field should be about conditioning, competition,
and execution…PEROID
July 31st, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I’d sign Mike Vick in a heartbeat…on general principle
July 31st, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I believe the patriots have stolen our mystique and our mojo… They stole the raiders commitment to excellence and image that day in the snow… We are the original team for rejects and badboys to exceed. and they’ve now adopted that and the media helps em. If its patriots give praise for a job well done.If its raiders shame them and make a mockery of them… smh Al D, sign vick. That’d give us the fastest rb/ dmc, fastest recievers/jlh,dhb,schilens, murphy to go along with the fastes qb/vick. Im tellin you nobody would be able to catch us on the field. It’d be like an highschool team playing with little leaguers.lol
July 31st, 2009 at 2:59 pm
SNB Defense Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:49 pm
jhill Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Schillens and DHB with the first team?
With DMac in the slot?
Sounds good!
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With a sledgehammer like Michael Bush in the backfield. That would be money. Do you go Nickel? How would the opponent stop the run?
down and distance dummy. down and distance
July 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
T-Shirts…LOL
What happened to the motto about being 1-0 every Sunday? I guess that was just last seasons selling point….kool KOACH!
July 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Geez, Hopefully Coach Elkins takes over for Cable next year. Or maybe a front office position!
July 31st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
One of Coach Cables biggest weaknesses is he wants his team to like him….he wants to be accepted by the fans and the media….none of these concepts are important in being a great football coach!
This is a defict!
July 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pm
new post
July 31st, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Tell that to:
Andy Reid
John Madden
Bill Belichiken
Mike Tomlin
Rex Ryan
Tony Sparano
etc…………….
There are alot of successfull “players coaches”. I think what Cable is doing, is exactly what your reading. Getting back to basics…. When your 5-11 who can argue with that?
July 31st, 2009 at 6:42 pm
We have plenty of time to pound on each other also the Niners coming up. After the last few seasons remember all those mental breakdown leading to a lost.
This looks like a good thing have to try something different i really think last year started real bad when Oneal and D.Carter went down they were supposed to be starters so lets dont be so fast to pound each other.