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Saturday p.m. quick hits

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, August 1st, 2009 at 6:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Some quick hits from Saturday’s second practice:

– Got a good look at an extended passing session for the first time and was mostly impressed.

Other than one sequence near midfield where a few balls hit the ground, throws from JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye were sharper than anything I saw during the mandatory minicamp and OTA practices which were open to the media.

Not against live defenses yet, but progress.

– Chaz Schilens made a leaping catch along the left sideline on a pass from Frye that drew hoots and hollars from his teammates. Darrius Heyward-Bay ran a post-corner route to a cone placed 25 yards downfield on the sideline, caught the ball over his shoulder and tapped both feet inbounds.

Heyward-Bey was spent some time on his own with a member of the support staff, who was throwing him passes from behind with Heyward-Bey on his knees, looking forward, then looking back at the last instant attempting to make the catch.

– Jeff Garcia did no throwing that I saw in the second session and had only a handful of snaps in team sessions where throwing was not required.

– Two more “learning intensive” dress rehearsal practices today and a very brief walkthrough (not in uniform) Monday morning before the first padded practice at 3:30 p.m.

It appears full-contact pracitces will be held at 3:30 p.m. with morning walkthroughs. I’ll post the week’s schedule when I receive it.

– Two fans who live in a complex over an end zone fence watched practice, alternately sipping beers and using their cell phones to snap photos. In the past, fans have been asked to leave areas in the second story of the Marriott with a view so they don’t get a look.

– Tom Cable continues to warn not to read too much into first- and second teams, but it’s worth noting Jay Richardson has been a spectator much of the time. Ryan Boschetti, signed as a defensive tackle, was getting more work at end.

– Stanford Routt and Michael Huff got a lot of first-team work at the expense of Chris Johnson and Hiram Eugene.

– Oren O’Neal was wearing a baseball hat through much of Saturday’s sessions, making it questionable whether he’ll be part of the full-contact practice Monday.

– Little chance for injury in these workouts, but there was one brief scare when Gerard Warren went down for a for a few moments, only to rise and never miss a snap.

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104 Responses to “Saturday p.m. quick hits”

  1. Destrilogy Says:

    1st!!!!!!

  2. bigdaddy Says:

    gooooo Raaaaiiiiddeeerrrrrrrs!

  3. bishop916 Says:

    2nd!

  4. bishop916 Says:

    bah whatteva – go raiders!

  5. itzSteve Says:

    What am I missing here…by looking the roster posted on the Raiders website, aren’t we still two players over the max of 80 roster spots. Jerry said that both Gallery and Javon both count against the roster number even though they are on PUP. That means two other players HAVE to be released…who are they?

  6. anth0nyi3m Says:

    What am I missing here…by looking the roster posted on the Raiders website, aren’t we still two players over the max of 80 roster spots. Jerry said that both Gallery and Javon both count against the roster number even though they are on PUP. That means two other players HAVE to be released…who are they?

    ———————————————-
    It’s Marquis Cooper and Derrick Burgess. Derrick Burgess doesn’t count on the roster until he shows up and Marquis Cooper doesn’t count because he is dead, R.I.P.

  7. Dr.Turner Says:

    It’s time Raider fans!! We will be much better this year!9-7 AZ said it! OR BETTER I SAID IT DRINK IT! TILL LATER RAIDER NATION!

  8. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    Here we go again with these Kool Aid drinkers.

  9. I eat Boogers Says:

    I think the Raiders can go 8-8 if the ball bounces their way once in a while, but more then likely, 6-10 is the final outcome.

  10. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    If JRuss produces then we go 8-8. If he doesnt then we go 6-10. He will win two to three games on his back.

  11. RyanNapa Says:

    Kind of worries me that these guys haven’t had any contact yet…..I don’t think we were very physical last year, not sure how this is suppose to fix that

  12. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    if this team has all the physical tools then they lack the mental aspect of the game. they were always beat by big plays at important situations. If Cadillac Willams didnt go down. Then we would of lost the game. It put the game on Garcias shoulders and we all know how that worked out. Chris Johnson won that game for us in Tampa. By unintentionally messing his knee up.

  13. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    Messing Caddilac’s knee up.

  14. Raider O Says:

    RIP Cooper.

  15. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    8-8 baby :0

  16. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    8-8 lets go Raiders. Mcfadden opens the O up. this year he has to be the work horse or pass the carries to BUSH. I think BUSH should have the workload. period. Mcfadden itty bitty toe still hurts.

  17. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    Mcfadden will win us four games this year if he is healthy. Jruss has to win the other 5 on his shoulders.

  18. AZ Says:

    I just made some more!

    Chaz is hard. 1000 yards from Chaz if Walker doesn’t become:

    …COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!

    AZ said it first. Drink it.

  19. preisttj Says:

    What’s happening with DHB is just par for tha course. Same as the progress Russell had to make.The fuss over Russell was IMO ridiculous and I said as much many times. This normall young players that need to get better and develope. The only thing everyone in here ever focuses on is his weight and a few bad pracies in the month of MAY. Is the craziet thing I’ve ever heard. As if every QB practices perfect except Russell. One guy in her delineated several QB’s that he thought would never have a practice like that. It turned out all of them had worse rookie years than Russell.

    But the silliness continues. The name calling and fat jokes and you wonder what about their objective. I asked a aports talk shw host what do you expect from Russell. And he said he should’ve completed 60% of his passes and be in shape. When I said he did both the last 6 games of the yearit didn’t even register. Which mean thei minds are made up. That host is the sideline reporter for the 49ers and Alex Smith has never done what he said Russell should be able to do. Yet in his mind Russell is a bust waiting to happen.

    And that’s where the people in here take their q from the likes of Jerry and the rest of the local media
    who cannot wait to declare Russell a BUST.

    Not only wil Russell not be a bust but get ready for this kid to set this league on it’s ear in the next two years.

  20. DarthPirate Says:

    Nice to hear about the sharp passing. Garcia gets his reps when they practice those 1 yard out routes :D

    And good to hear about DHB catching balls and working hard.

    Go Raiders!

  21. Florida Pete Says:

    i’m getting the sense that jerry is being won over by cable and the raiders…

    could this be???

    stayed tuned…

  22. preisttj Says:

    And what’s so amazing to me about the local media is that the 49ers haven’t done squat in 14 years yet they treat the Raiders like they’re the most dismal franchise in sports in the history of the BA. The 49ers have 2 also rans at QB and they put the heat on Russell saying it’s his make or break year. I say what is this year for Alex Smith, his rookie year?? but you never hear them say that about him.

    It’s flat out a double standard…

  23. Steve Says:

    Russell is a bust….I can smell it. Hope I’m wrong….but not bloody likely.

  24. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    DHB willmake those plays he was paid to do. He already said he comes to practice early on COMCAST SPORTS NETWORK. WHAT A STAND UP GUY WHO IS HUNGRY. NOT SOME PRIMADONNA WHO WANTS TO GET PAID TOP 5 MONEY. 38 MIL FOR 5 YEARS. WHAT A STEAL. LESS PAY MORE ATHLETICISM AND NO STRESS FRACTURE KNOCK ON WOOD.

  25. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    RUSSELL WILL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS STEVE. WATCH HIS FOCUS IN HIS SOPHMORE YEAR STARTING. WHAT A TALENT. WILL MAKE LEAPS AND BOUNDS WITH AN O LINE THAT CAN PASS BLOCK AND SOME WRS THAT CAN STRETCH THE FIELD AND CATCH. WAY BETTER WITH HIGGINS AND SHILLENS.

  26. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    ADD DHB WHOSE FOCUSED AND NO OFF THE FIELD ISSUES. JUST A HARD WORKER WITH HEART. PUT MCFADDEN IN THE MIX AND ALL WE NEED IS THAT OLINE TO STEP IT UP. OLINE BIG ?

  27. Florida Pete Says:

    Russell reminds me of Elway…

    this is not a make or break year for Russell…

    he needs to show up…

    protect the ball…

    learn…

    and get better…

    just like Elway did…

  28. Steve Says:

    O line is still a questionmark to me. Upgrades? I don’t know. Jruss will need to mentally take a big step to impress me. A little eye of the tiger would be nice as well. The AFC west is up for grabs…I hope we go old school….and take what we want when we want it.

  29. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    RUN RUN PACTION PASS DHB DOWN THE FIELD FOR 80 YRDS TD RAIDERS! RAIDERS WIN 31-28 AGAINST THE DISCHARGERS. ESPECIALLY MERRIMAN ISNT CHARGED UP WITH HIS ROIDS

  30. AZ Says:

    Damn, it’s loud in here.

    9-7!

    6 TD’s and 780 yards for Hey-Bey!

    You can say you heard it from AZ first!

    DRINK IT! :)

  31. preisttj Says:

    Florida Pete trust me he’s diging for the negative stuff, he just keeps coming up empty.

    a. No fat Russell, No fat Sands,
    b. No owner HC disagreements and Cable is doing something no other coach in NFL history has evr done.
    c. DHB is signed
    d. DHB catches passes
    e. the defense is looking aggressive and blitzing
    d. Walker has a great attitude
    f. Henderson is at LT and looks good so far
    g. DMC’s running 1st team
    h. Looks like Bush could get more playing time.
    I. All the above seems to be taking place without the owner forcing his hand.

    He caan’t wait to see what happens when the pads start cracking if nothing happens then. Well hopefully they’ll lose the 1st game.

    My problem with Jerry has been he seeks out the contraversial and digs for the negative. The 6 losing seasons just isn’t enough.

  32. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    THE OLINE WILL DO FINE. MARIO LT AND BARNES RT TACKLE. HOPFULLY THE DONT GET THOSE FSTARTS THAT PLAGUED US LAST YEAR. I SWEAR KWAME WAS PAID TO MOVE. WHAT A WEAK LINK.

  33. Steve Says:

    Lap it up brothers taste good huh?

    have not even broken down the sched yet….but my gut says…

    7 – 9

    lap it up

  34. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    WITH ALL THIS TALENT CABLE HAS TO GET US TO WIN. THE DYNASTY HAS STARTED WITH THE THREE QB, HB, WR. ALL QUESTION MARKS ABOVE THERE HEAD. THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED THIS YEAR AND I SMELL SUCCESS. 8-8 WILL BE A GOOD YEAR FOR US.

  35. THREE RING CIRCUS Says:

    WE WILL WIN MCFADDEN WILL CARRY THE WIN OVER SD. WRITE THAT DOWN. MCFADDEN WILL MAKE THAT D LOOK SILLY.

  36. Kirk Says:

    If the Raiders blitz and cut Fargas, we will be ok.

    If the Raiders don’t blitz and start Fargas, we are in trouble.

  37. Al Davis Has Cojones Says:

    At the very least DHB keeps the safties deep, and DMC keeps LBs up, the middle of the field is wide open for Miller time.

  38. jtstretch Says:

    SD will get 6 years of Dmac as revenge to us getting LT for the last 6

  39. jtstretch Says:

    just hope they use him right and even it up. SD fans will learn to hate him as i hate LT.

  40. Thec Says:

    Waiting for the Pads, got 2 words MIKE MITCHELL….
    Not only is he fast, but he can and will unload, i see
    why chitown wanted him, oh and he patterns himself after the one and only JACK TATUM.
    I see him playing a similiar role as that of bob sanders of the colts. Dont want him to hurt our guys, and i beleive is going to have a solid impact.
    He might be the gem of our draft…

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  42. El Dirty Says:

    Who said that? Spook

  43. preisttj Says:

    Jtstretch, now that’s what I’m talking about. How are you going to defend that? It’s just tooo much spend and talent. I keep reading how Russell wont have that time to get the ball deep to DHB. Trust me if you understand how the deep ball is done. It’s not so much an element of time as it is timing. When you have a player of Cliff Branch’s and DHB ’s speed thay don’t rquire you to hold the ball beyond 2.5 seconds and they will outrun a defense that’s trying to stop the run. All that’s required is that the defense is stacked against the run. And it’s over, these guy’s get 40 yards down field in 4 seconds. All you really want is the ball to get there before the deep safety. And it’s a wrap!! they will do the rest after catching the ball. No one is going to catch them.

  44. UnionCity Says:

    Raiders go 10-6

  45. preisttj Says:

    Also Miller will draw attention from the deep safety. Once Miller has caught 4 or 5 balls from Russell, no defense is designed to stop all that talent. You have to have 2 corners that can shut down the WR’s, then you might have a chance. But Chaz and DHB run too damn fast. And don’t forget JLH. Someone is going to get open it’s matter of Russell reading it and making the throw…………period

  46. Thec Says:

    Not worried about the offense. we have to many weopons, and speed.
    How do you handle a formation with DHB, JLH, CHAZ, ZMILLER, and DMAC? ADD a wrinkle put DMAC in motion out of the backfield do you continue to stack the box
    that would leave someone on an island with a speedster.
    As a team we are not that far off.

  47. Thec Says:

    BHP, post 47 is spot on….
    With any imagination teams are going to have fits with this young offense. I also see JRUSS coming into his own… This year we knock, net year we bust the door down.

  48. Thec Says:

    I want to see MIKE MITCHELL knock the S#!t out of
    lt….

  49. preisttj Says:

    I know Thec, If Carter doesn’t go down and Walker is the real Walker. Maybe just Maybe!!

    But this is this year and we have insurance policies that we didn’t have last year. If we can stay relatively healthy we can win. How many games who knows, we have to stay healthy! Bush will punish them if they play off.

    Now with points on the board, how will the defense play? Aggressive?? attack?? will they make plays?? If they do we will win no question in my mind.

  50. preisttj Says:

    Thec, why do you think they drafted him?? He aint here to get LT’s autograph. He’s here to give LT HIS signature ……….hit.

  51. preisttj Says:

    I really believe the Raiders desparate wanted to draft Rey Maualuga for that little task. But it is what it is…. Mike Mitchell has to get it done.

  52. I eat Boogers Says:

    Hi priesttj!

  53. Thec Says:

    BHP, I truly beleive MITCHELL will get it done, speed is good. Speed with hard hitting is dangerous. I like this kid, even more than I liked Chaz last year.
    We put points on the board the d can go into attack mode. Also teams will have to abandon the run provided our red zone is more TD heavy.
    we knock first, then we kick the SOB down…..

  54. I eat Boogers Says:

    Mitchell is going to be good.

  55. SOLOMON Says:

    EL DIRTY YOU ARE A FAGGOT. DO YOU EVEN LIKE FOOTBALL OR DO YOU ONLY ROOT FOR YOUR RACES PLAYERS? LEAVES A SHORT LIST DOESNT IT? YOU ARE IN THE HOUSE THE ONLY NIGGER ON THIS BLOG.

  56. SOLOMON Says:

    I LOVE CHICKEN AND WATERMELON ITS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

  57. Thec Says:

    Solomon, That was not the real El Dirty, that was a troll of sorts. Jerry you need to delete the comments from the idiot troll posing as El Dirty….

  58. Silver'n'Smac Says:

    Hey Priest,

    I agree with everything you’ve said about J-Russ.

    I’ve been saying the same things over and over. There’s definitely a double-standard in this media market.

    As you said, that team across the bay has royally sucked and hasn’t done anything since 1994.

    In the past 6 years, we truly have sucked and have averaged about 4 victories a year.

    Well, guess what? The Niners have only averaged about 5 wins a year! And yet, all these fools act like we’re in SOOOOOO much worse shape than SF.

    So lame!

    Hey, at least we have a QB that has the potential to be a franchise player.

    What did THEY get with their 1st pick in the entire draft? A BUST!

    It’s a total joke man.

    And what ticks me off about Rod Brooks & Bob Fitzgerald is that they act like they are the supreme knowers of all things.

    That whole station is geared towards anti-Raider comments.

    Barbieri has a true hatred towards the Raiders. And that’s fine – I hate the Niners. I actually like Ralph. He’s the only media member in the entire Bay Area that has the balls to speak his true opinions on the air. My only problem with him is that when it comes to the Raiders, he hates Al Davis so much that he doesn’t have the ability to objectively talk about the team.

    Go Raiders!

  59. preisttj Says:

    True dat!

  60. I eat Boogers Says:

    I like the Raiders.

  61. SOLOMON Says:

    RUSSELL IS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

  62. SOLOMON Says:

    MCFADDEN RUNS FOR 1200 13TD TOTAL

    BUSH RUNS FOR 800 8TD

    RUSSELL THROWS FOR 3000 20TD

  63. SOLOMON Says:

    RAIDERS GO 10-6!!!!!!!!!!

    PLAYOFFS

  64. Raider O Says:

    We should cut Walker, Huff, Sands, and Fargas, but we will do it next season for cap reasons.

    I hate Walker, but I like the rest. Especially Huff! I was happy when we picked him, but he hasn’t done anythng in 3 years except be a shadow.

  65. SOLOMON Says:

    SAN DIEGO IS SOFT
    KANSAS CITY SUCKS
    DENVER IS SOFT

  66. Raider O Says:

    I don’t want a player that wanted to retire, then went to vegas to spray moet, was taken to a hospital, didn’t do anything last season, and opens this season on the PUP list!

    I hate Walker!

  67. SOLOMON Says:

    FAKE EL DIRTY OR REAL EL DIRTY WHOEVER YOU MAY BE YOU ARE AN IDIOT. WHY DO YOU LIKE HALLOWEEN CUZ YOU WANT TO BE AROUND LITTLE KIDS. I THINK YOUR A QUEER

  68. Raider O Says:

    Why are these Talking Monkeys allowed to breed?!

    Where are RR, 4eva, and Raccoon?! Talking Monkey season is open now.
    Happy hunting!!

  69. SOLOMON Says:

    HUFF NEEDS TO MAKE A PLAY!! I WAS HAPPY WHEN WE DRAFTED HIM TO BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE HASN’T MADE MANY PLAYS IF ANY THAT STICK OUT IN MY MIND SINCE JOINING THE RAIDERS

  70. willie Says:

    post55,you are the reason one must register on this site,loser,HOPE YOURE NOT A RAIDER FAN!

  71. Raider O Says:

    In 3 years he has 1INT!! 1 !!! He’s a DB not a DT!! Our 2 starting LBs have more INTs than him!! Every year they have more INTs than him in 3 seasons!!

    Cut Huff!!!

  72. SOLOMON Says:

    RAIDER O DONT WORRY ABOUT JAVON HE IS A BUM DHB AND JOHNNY LEE HIGGINS SCHILENS WILL GET IT DONE PLUS PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET ABOUT THE MAN MILLER

  73. SOLOMON Says:

    WILLIE? HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT? SOMEONE STARTS CALLING PEOPLE RACIST NAMES AND THEN I TELL THEM ABOUT THEMSELVES? I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK!!!!! NOW I KNOW THAT YOU ARE STUPIDER THAN HIM. AND I AM A RAIDERS FAN I GO TO EVERY GAME I LOVE FOOTBALL AND I AM BLACK SO IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT KISS MY ASS

  74. Raider O Says:

    Now that’s how it should be:
    QB: JR
    RB: DMC & Bush
    TE: Miller
    WR: Chaz, JLH, DHB, Murphy

    Those are some nice weapons!

    Miller to the PB!
    9-7!

  75. willie Says:

    Raider O,Where are you?You dont need backup,youre dealing w/niner morons,racist idiots,Carry on,sir!!!!!!!! gilbert

  76. Thec Says:

    Murphy is going to do big things also. We do have some depth at WR IMHO. O, my Bruh what is up….?
    I dont like walker either, he should do nicely as a backup, I am all for letting the youngsters continue to grow….

  77. Raider O Says:

    Solomon,

    Say it Loud!! lol

  78. Thec Says:

    Post 75 = the Truth……

  79. Raider O Says:

    Willie,

    Raiders!!!!

    Thec,

    I’m great bro, enjoying a safe weekend from home. lol
    I can’t understand why Mr. Davis asked him to stay. He should have let him retire.
    4/5 knee surgeries!!! Can he even run?

  80. Raider O Says:

    Willie,

    lol @ Sir.

  81. Thec Says:

    O, i wish Mr. Davis took the money back, and let the idiot walk. His heart wannt in it anyway. Now we need to let the young guns mature. we are loaded with young talent.

    This tear we knock, next year we kick the SOB down…..

  82. Thec Says:

    Gotta go been good……

    Only one NATION…….

  83. Raider O Says:

    Allow me to share this with you:

    ” two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe”
    - Albert Einstein.

  84. Raider O Says:

    Be Safe Thec, and have a great weekend.

  85. Raider O Says:

    Where are all the Talking Monkeys?
    Is the Show over?!
    Well, it was fun for me, and I wish you Talking Monkeys all the best. Till the next show…

    Have a great night Gents, and a great Weekend.
    Later Nation.

  86. willie Says:

    Raider OOOOOO,RAIDERS!!!!!!! Received my tickets today,wont lie,feel like a kid again,my grandson asked me if Im ok,sat him down and talked Raiders,felt like a Grandpa again. RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!

  87. preisttj Says:

    Jerry, why did you wipe out my post? what’s your problem with it? I was just sharing my thoughts nothing vulgar yet the vulgar stuff remains.

    What I must’ve hit a nerve earlier, you’re so sensitive to what someone says about you but you have no problem ripping someone else. Do you know what that’s called?

    I happen to think better of Mr Davis than nothing will change but I get it you don’t want me enfluencing others. Is that it?? Don’t you know that people believe what they choose?? Most will never agree with
    him I just like to put out another view…..

    My own.

  88. willie Says:

    88,Can you shout out again? Maybe a mistake,try again!

  89. cantstandtheHATERS Says:

    White’s career got off to a bumpy start. He was known more for dropping passes than catching them before developing into an 1,000-yard receiver in his third season.

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/white-fined-for-105527.html?cxtype=rss_sports_82014

    ——————

    patience, haters, PATIENCE. stop thinking like an assistent coach in college, you have to have pAtience. think longterm. Roddy White would be playin in canada if some of you were to call the shots in ATL. he’d be gone long time ago too. the “real” fans where hatin on JLH in his first year too and now look what happened in just his second year…served up CROOOWWW. their mouthes is full of it thats why we dont hear shat anymore about JLH.

    Walkers situation is the same, as i agree with AZ. he came straight from the hospital bed with fresh stitches so logically i thought this would be the year he shows up anyway. and look, he might just do that. cause imo walkers hands, route-running are still the best on the team. and when he is close to 100% with the knee, he should start. or get on the field a lot.

    if not, hes an experienced vet willing to share his knowlege and is gold for guys like DHB and LMurphy in that department.

  90. Riverside Raiders Fan Says:

    kirk …post 36:

    I agree with you. Fargus has heart and he earned his opportunity to start last year…no doubt about it. However, nice guys usually finish last. He had his shot and did OK at best.

    We need McFadden and Bush to run the ball, and we need Davis to keep his stinking nose out of the defensive scheme. We need to blitz much more often, if just to keep the other side guessing.

  91. He Hate Me Says:

    “As tedious as it can be to watch for an outsider (and for you to read about)”

    Hey Jerry, you just keep calling it as you see it.
    If a practice is dull and boring?, so what. I dont need sensationalism, I read regardless. As a reader, I dont want you to feel like you have to make nothing into something. This is the process of Cables training camp. Im ok with that as a fan. Soon we’ll be hootin n hollerin about wins, this is just the start. Keep bloggin Bro.

  92. cantstandtheHATERS Says:

    “The jump mentally was tough,” Amendola said. “At Tech, we didn’t run routes at a certain depth. We just ran around people. Like basketball.

    “Here, everything has to be a precise depth. Your splits have to be certain yards away from each other. Just getting where I needed to be mentally was difficult.”

    http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090731_Maclin_faces_tough_jump_from_college_spread_offense_to_Eagles__West_Coast_playbook.html
    ———–

    here, another WR story. reead it and understand why the raiders went logically with DHB instead of Mac or Crabs, regardless of how they end up. of the gate, it was the right decision, WR for the raiders.

    and i believe to think that even if the raiders wouldve taken Monroe, the story wouldve probably been his bad knee and how the raiders love them some bad knees lol.

    Raji…we got another weedhead at DT. see Hawthorne. i see suspensions on the horizon. we are so dysfuntional he will be bust. boy we are so stupid, doing the same thing again and again expecting different results

    Orakpo…workout worrier, not a football plsayer, the next vernon gholston, when is the last time a DL man from texas succeeded in the NFL etc etc bla bla oink oink.

    just boring.

  93. jedi raider Says:

    Year 3 is always the historical benchmark for skill position players, especially QB. Russell made huge strides the last 6 games and now has some weapons and a better o line to protect him – just relax with him and let him grow – for once we’re developing a franchise QB that can be our guy for 12-15 years – the first few years are supposed to be painful, but as Al Davis said, the league is now cyclical due to the salary cap and free agency – we have to wait for our window of opportunity to open up and then make sure we get a championship while we can before we start rebuilding again – SD’s window is closing – Tomlinson is done (he might have 1/2 a season in him before he gets dinged again) – and KC and Denver are now behind us (way behind since they are switching systems and need to rebuild completely).

    We should go 5-1 in our division this year and I see 5 or 6 more winnable games on our schedule. If SD continues to decline, we might take our division with 8 or nine wins. Our O line is much better, our young recievers have another year of experience and have proven they can make plays, Zach Miller is pro-bowl caliber at TE, and McFadden and Bush are going to really make us dynamic and explosive.

    Defensively, Rob Ryan was the worst DC in all of football, and even though I don’t like our Dline personnel in terms of quality, just getting rid of burgess and replacing him with a good sized quality veteran DE that can hold the POA is going to make us much better on the strong side vs. the run. We have two corners that can play man, a big hitter at SS, some decent comp at FS, and a decent LB corps.

    With Marshall’s leadership at DC, we should be much improved on defense no matter what, but the draft picks, development of guys like Scott, Ricky Brown, and Thomas Howard and the key Ellis signing will make us much better.

  94. cantstandtheHATERS Says:

    well put, HHM.

    as long as i see and hear them do their individual stuff (ie, FUNDAMENTALS!), i couldnt care less if they hit in team drills.

    what they do in team drills is just a part of practice.

    plus we heve our first regular season game in what, 1 1/2 month? why would you start abusing yourself so early? the cardinals toughened up their practices towards the end of the season and went to the SB from there. its a looong season and i like the “slow” start.

  95. F*#@ Al Davis Says:

    – Jeff Garcia did no throwing that I saw in the second session and had only a handful of snaps in team sessions where throwing was not required.

    …..

    Thank you, Jerry. Be sure to keep us updated on our season’s only hope.

  96. JMEDS Says:

    if you look at the pics of russell he is wearing 3-4 layers of clothing atleast. the media continues to write and crack jokes about his weight. he is a big man, period. he looks fit to me.

  97. Florida Pete Says:

    From the Star-Tribune.com on the Vikings training camp…

    •Linebacker Jasper Brinkley isn’t afraid to hit. He has delivered a few big hits so far in practice and is definitely trying to make an impression as he battles for the job behind E.J. Henderson at middle linebacker.

    just saying…

  98. Florida Pete Says:

    From the Boston Globe on the the Patricia’s camp:

    1) Ron Brace working at end. Second-round draft choice Ron Brace (40th overall) spent most of the practice at defensive end when the Patriots were working in their 3-4 alignment. While Brace projects as a possible nose tackle of the future, this is one example of how the Patriots build versatility by cross-training players. At 6-foot-3, 330 pounds, Brace is a hard player to move on the line. While he was subbed out of an inside running drill — it looked like he might have faltered with his technique — Brace has made an overall solid impression in hanging tough in the physical battles up front.

    just saying…

  99. Florida Pete Says:

    question of the day…

    who’s gonna stop the run???

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  101. Florida Pete Says:

    clearly, the rest of raider nation is sleeping it off…

    not me, though…

    i am ready for some raider football…

    even if it is just a dress rehearsal without pads…

  102. cantstandtheHATERS Says:

    padlevel, pete. the improved padlevel.

    these are some third downs from last year, and if we were that bad, how come a bills with marsh lynch pass on 3 and shorts? matter of fact rarely do you see a team run on us if its more then 3 and 1-2 yards to go, so im not even posting most of the 3rd and 4-5 plus yard plays.


    3-4-BUF 40 (6:32) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short middle to 11-R.Parrish. Overthrown, receiver at OAK 48. Pressure on QB: D.Burgess.

    3-2-OAK 36 (1:08) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short right to 83-L.Evans. Thrown behind receiver at OAK 30.

    3-4-OAK 28 (12:22) (Shotgun) 23-M.Lynch right guard to OAK 27 for 1 yard (52-K.Morrison).

    3-5-BUF 9 (:30) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 23-M.Lynch to BUF 15 for 6 yards (58-K.Edwards). Dump pass, caught at BUF 5. (if Kirk M makes this tackle, we win…)

    3-2-OAK 44 (10:43) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 11-R.Parrish to OAK 32 for 12 yards (23-D.Hall). Caught in flat at OAK 33.

    or a strong rushing team such as the panthers..

    3-5-CAR 33 (2:32) (Shotgun) 17-J.Delhomme pass incomplete short right to 89-S.Smith (37-C.Johnson).

    3-3-CAR 30 (13:29) 17-J.Delhomme pass incomplete short right to 47-J.King

    3-4-CAR 28 (11:42) 17-J.Delhomme pass incomplete deep right to 18-D.Hackett.

    3-5-OAK 36 (7:32) 17-J.Delhomme sacked at OAK 44 for -8 yards (61-G.Warren).

    3-2-CAR 47 (12:19) 17-J.Delhomme pass incomplete short left to 87-M.Muhammad.

    3-2-CAR 35 (6:56) 45-B.Hoover up the middle to CAR 36 for 1 yard (98-J.Richardson).

    dolphins

    3-7-MIA 10 (11:31) PENALTY on OAK-91-T.Scott, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at MIA 10 – No Play.
    3-2-MIA 15 (11:26) 10-C.Pennington scrambles right end to MIA 22 for 7 yards.

    3-1-MIA 43 (8:28) 10-C.Pennington pass short right to 38-P.Cobbs to MIA 49 for 6 yards (28-Gi.Wilson).

    3-3-MIA 30 (13:31) (Shotgun) 10-C.Pennington pass incomplete short middle to 19-T.Ginn.

    3-3-MIA 44 (5:18) 10-C.Pennington pass short right to 38-P.Cobbs to MIA 45 for 1 yard (37-C.Johnson).

    kc queefs

    3-1-KC 34 (6:29) PENALTY on KC-75-H.Taylor, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at KC 34 – No Play.
    3-6-KC 29 (6:07) (Shotgun) 4-T.Thigpen pass short middle to 25-J.Charles pushed ob at KC 44 for 15 yards (27-R.Baker).

    3-3-OAK 38 (3:39) (Shotgun) 4-T.Thigpen pass short middle to 82-D.Bowe pushed ob at OAK 23 for 15 yards (27-R.Baker).

    3-1-KC 38 (1:27) 4-T.Thigpen up the middle to KC 40 for 2 yards (90-T.Sands). The Replay Assistant challenged the first down ruling, and the play was REVERSED. 4-T.Thigpen up the middle to KC 38 for no gain (90-T.Sands).

    3-5-KC 25 (9:52) (Shotgun) 25-J.Charles left end to KC 26 for 1 yard (58-K.Edwards, 53-T.Howard).

    3-2-OAK 44 (3:51) (Shotgun) 27-L.Johnson left end to OAK 41 for 3 yards (61-G.Warren).

    3-4-OAK 11 (14:29) (Shotgun) 4-T.Thigpen up the middle to OAK 2 for 9 yards (27-R.Baker, 21-N.Asomugha).

    3-5-OAK 6 (10:07) (Shotgun) PENALTY on KC-4-T.Thigpen, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 6 – No Play.

    3-4-KC 49 (6:20) (Shotgun) 4-T.Thigpen sacked at KC 43 for -6 yards (93-T.Kelly).

    3-3-KC 27 (2:43) (Shotgun) 4-T.Thigpen pass short left to 82-D.Bowe to KC 39 for 12 yards (31-H.Eugene; 52-K.Morrison)

    denver

    3-1-DEN 38 (1:38) 28-M.Pittman left tackle to DEN 39 for 1 yard (52-K.Morrison; 98-J.Richardson). Oakland challenged the first down ruling, and the play was REVERSED. 28-M.Pittman left tackle to DEN 38 for no gain (52-K.Morrison; 98-J.Richardson).

    3-1-OAK 48 (6:23) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 19-E.Royal to OAK 37 for 11 yards (23-D.Hall). PENALTY on OAK-23-D.Hall, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at OAK 37.

    3-3-DEN 45 (:42) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler scrambles left end to DEN 46 for 1 yard (21-N.Asomugha). (this was a nice hit)

    denver the second

    3-4-OAK 34 (7:42) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 19-E.Royal to OAK 28 for 6 yards (37-C.Johnson).

    3-4-DEN 26 (1:16) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 14-B.Stokley to DEN 32 for 6 yards (26-S.Routt).

    3-4-OAK 29 (13:29) 22-P.Hillis up the middle to OAK 29 for no gain (56-D.Burgess, 90-T.Sands).

    3-2-OAK 41 (11:11) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 15-B.Marshall ran ob at OAK 30 for 11 yards [53-T.Howard]. PENALTY on OAK-53-T.Howard, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at OAK 30.

    texans

    3-2-HOU 37 (8:54) 20-S.Slaton up the middle to HOU 38 for 1 yard (28-Gi.Wilson).
    –#

    3-1-OAK 5 (1:24) 20-S.Slaton left tackle to OAK 6 for -1 yards (53-T.Howard, 52-K.Morrison).

    3-1-OAK 5 (8:17) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short middle to 83-K.Walter (37-C.Johnson).

    bucs

    3-2-TB 18 (10:57) 24-C.Williams left end to TB 17 for -1 yards (61-G.Warren).
    +–
    3-5-TB 25 (9:54) (Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia pass deep left to 80-M.Clayton pushed ob at OAK 46 for 29 yards (27-R.Baker).

    3-1-TB 37 (13:45) 35-B.Askew up the middle to TB 37 for no gain (61-G.Warren

    3-4-TB 19 (4:50) 7-J.Garcia pass short right to 24-C.Williams to TB 25 for 6 yards (52-K.Morrison).

    3-4-OAK 33 (7:33) (Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia pass incomplete deep right to 81-A.Smith.

    3-5-OAK 45 (:16) (Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia sacked at OAK 47 for -2 yards (97-G.Gunheim).

    jets

    3-5-OAK 22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass incomplete short middle to 16-B.Smith (23-D.Hall) [52-K.Morrison].

    3-3-OAK 12 (11:21) 4-B.Favre pass short right to 81-D.Keller pushed ob at OAK 6 for 6 yards (28-Gi.Wilson).

    3-3-OAK 3 (9:33) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NYJ-60-D.Ferguson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 3 – No Play.
    3-8-OAK 8 (9:09) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass short middle intended for 89-J.Cotchery INTERCEPTED by 28-Gi.Wilson at OAK -1. Touchback. Penalty on NYJ-89-J.Cotchery, Illegal Motion, declined.

    3-1-NYJ 45 (10:03) (Shotgun) 16-B.Smith left end to 50 for 5 yards (57-R.Brown).

    3-3-NYJ 48 (:26) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass deep right to 16-B.Smith to OAK 34 for 18 yards (52-K.Morrison).

    3-5-NYJ 27 (13:35) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass short middle to 83-C.Stuckey to NYJ 44 for 17 yards (24-M.Huff).

    3-5-NYJ 49 (12:07) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre sacked at NYJ 41 for -8 yards (91-T.Scott).

    3-4-NYJ 16 (8:02) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass incomplete deep left to 81-D.Keller (24-M.Huff).

    ravens

    3-5-BAL 36 (9:47) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 86-T.Heap to BAL 42 for 6 yards (24-M.Huff).

    3-5-BAL 45 (4:18) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass incomplete deep middle to 23-W.McGahee.

    3-5-BAL 30 (7:37) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass deep left to 87-D.Williams for 70 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-5-BAL 40 (12:03) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass incomplete short left to 87-D.Williams.

    falcons

    3-1-OAK 46 (1:08) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep right to 86-B.Finneran (23-D.Hall).

    3-3-OAK 24 (7:05) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan sacked at OAK 30 for -6 yards (91-T.Scott).

    3-2-OAK 27 (1:20) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 32-J.Norwood to OAK 21 for 6 yards (52-K.Morrison).

    3-5- (2:24) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 84-R.White to OAK 39 for 11 yards (52-K.Morrison).


    there you have it. almost all of the games and the 3rd and 2-5 yard situations. like i said didnt even bother the 3rd and 6+ sits. sometimes teams even line up in a shotgun on 3rd and shrts.

    just sayin, with a little more leverage and disciplin we could improve with whats at hand. we have to get better in on the first two downs.

    if not, they will be moved next year, no matter how much they make. see deangelo and gibril. this team will get better and rather younger in the process.

    now, how do i get back 35-45 mins of my life…

  103. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    now, how do i get back 35-45 mins of my life…

    LMFAO

  104. Charlie Says:

    Can’t Stand

    Impressive research.
    The only thing I would offer is that the Raiders have probably countered with eight in the box or run blitzes to try to compensate for short yardage downs because our lack of talent on the line.

    This is the problem with a weak Dline. You need to scheme all the time and eventually you will get out guessed (see LT racing down the field after catching a swing pass). You must be able to be respectable against the run and pressure the passer with your four down lineman.

    I love the teaching approach Cable is taking. We have new coaches, a new system and a relatively young team.
    I still am of the opinion that our Dline has some very weak players and they will be weeded out in this camp.

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