Practice notes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, August 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Except for the absence of Jeff Garcia, everything went according to plan.
Training camp is like the draft in that way. If there are no serious injuries, the spin as put forth by players and coaches is positive.
The Raiders went to school for four days and as a result went out and had a crisp, error free padded practice Monday.
“I noticed there weren’t too many repeats. I didn’t see too many blown assignments when we were going on hard cadences and things like that,” running back Justin Fargas said. “Nobody was flinching, jumping offsides, things like that. Things that have killed us in the past.”
The sentiment was echoed several times by several players. Mission accomplished.
It was indeed a far cry from Raiders practices of the past when confusion reigned. Not sure the tempo was all that much different, and Tom Cable’s warning about keeping players upright and avoiding injury was followed closely.
It was controlled physicality, the kind that makes it hard to determine exactly what you’re seeing.
Some random observations from the first padded practice:
– On Sunday, Cable said Garcia’s missed practice was merely part of the plan. It was the way he went about training camp as a 39-year-old quarterback. Garcia said he was merely staying fresh for Monday, which had a brief morning walkthrough before the padded practice.
Must have been a tough walkthrough, because Garcia missed the first practice with a calf strain.
“It doesn’t look serious at all,” Cable said. “We’ve got to be smart on this one.”
– Nick Miller lined up at wide receiver, was on special teams and even went with the running backs to carry the ball a few times during drills.
He made the biggest play of the first practice when he somehow got between Hiram Eugene and Chris Johnson and came down with a 50-yard rainbow from JaMarcus Russell.
Miller’s a Tim Dwight-type who claims to have run 4.28 and 4.30 at his Pro Day.
– Russell had one interception during team drills, a forced pass intended for Zach Miller which was picked off by Eugene.
But the throw to Nick Miller, and at least two medium-to-deep range seam bullets to Chaz Schilens, were impressive.
The Raiders have taken the training wheels off their offense. There are “tags” on pass routes which can alter the play after the snap. Fargas believes the players have been given more responsibility in making it work.
Russell credited the work of passing game coach Ted Tollner and quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett.
“I think those guys are some of the best coaches,” Russell said. “They been around for quite some years. I think you guys see that. And what they’re doing is putting us in a place for success. Everything’s a process, and right now we’re working on it.”
– As the Raiders usually do in training camp, they blitzed often and as a result the pass protection was an issue. Or was it? Cable didn’t seem to think so.
“No, not at all. What I liked about today is they’re seeing so much. We have had a lot in. We need that for how to blitz properly,” Cable said. “We have not been really a pressure team but when we do pressure, we want to be right.
“For the offensive line and the quarterback, in particular, being able to handle it and getting us in the right play if we need to. That stuff it’s always kind of up and down early and then it just progressively gets better.”
Asomugha, for one, will believe in more regular-season pressure when he sees it.
“That’s like a wait-and-see type of thing because even in camps previously we were doing a lot of blitzing and doing multiple things defensively and then we got into games and we were pretty basic,” Asomugha said.
– One blitzer who came in unimpeded was veteran Sam Williams, with new line acquisition Erik Pears failing to cut him off.
– The protection issues weren’t all about blitzing, with Greg Ellis getting past Cornell Green and Tommy Kelly (who hasn’t jumped offsides in two days) shedding Cooper Carlisle.
– Strong safety Tyvon Branch showed excellent coverage skill on one deep pass, staying with Darren McFadden stride for stride and breaking up a pass along the sideline.
– Cornerback Stanford Routt held up in coverage on a deep attempt by Johnnie Lee Higgins and continued to get some first team reps along with incumbnent Chris Johnson, a situation that drew an interesting take from Asomugha.
“I think Chris has been a little more upset than Stanford because Chris came in after DeAngelo (left) and felt like he proved himself worthy of starting this year,” Asomugha said.
– Good to see Oren O’Neal on a lead block on a running play, taking on Thomas Howard and clearing the way for Louis Rankin.
– Fargas demonstrated on at least two occasions why he would be hard to cut even with Darren McFadden and Michael Bush around, stonewalling middle blitzes and enabling Russell to get off passes. One of them was the deep strike to Miller.
Neither McFadden nor Bush is in Fargas’ league as a blocker. Running back reps were distributed fairly evenly.
– Cable said he has been getting “good reports” on Walker, who again looked strong workout with the training staff. Walker joked tha the could hardly wait to get back to practice so he won’t have to work as hard.
“It’s coming back quick, quick, quick so that’s also working on the conditioning,” Walker said. “So I’m looking forward to getting back out there practicing so I can get a little more of a breather.”
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August 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Not sure how Branch and Mitchell will both be on the field when they are both competing at SS.
Huff and Eugene are battling it out for FS.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
go raiders
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
DHB=T – Yeah…a fired and failed Head Coach with the Jets hired Rob Ryan with the Browns and we know the Browns are a winning organization right?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Fargas on the field now is one less chance for DMacs toes to get jammed during tough practices. When the season begins, DMac will be in there 20-25 carries a game.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
it will be branch and eugene…
huff should not see the field , unless he cpulls a 360
nd mr javon i am pulling for u…after so many let downs..
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
the team is going to be good
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Like I already said….. The dude is an NFL head coach with a few rings on his fingers so I think he MIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHTTTTTT know a bit more than ummmm…..YOU! LOL. I mean seriously, you actually wrote post number 37 from last page. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Miller’s a Tim Dwight-type who claims to have run 4.28 and 4.30 at his Pro Day.
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Only Al knew this info. And maybe the Utah Jazz.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I would compare Nick Miller to New England’s Wes Welker. If the Raiders can somehow utilize Miller somewhere close to where the Patriots use Welker, it can certainly free up all the other offensive skill positions.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
on first downs. take out the FS. put the SS at FS(hopefully mike mitchell) . and add a linebacker. then put thomas howard at SS?????
maybe we stop our run d woes?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
But the throw to Nick Miller, and at least two medium-to-deep range seam bullets to Chaz Schilens, were impressive.
The Raiders have taken the training wheels off their offense. There are “tags” on pass routes which can alter the play after the snap. Fargas believes the players have been given more responsibility in making it work.
Russell credited the work of passing game coach Ted Tollner and quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett.
“I think those guys are some of the best coaches,” Russell said. “They been around for quite some years. I think you guys see that. And what they’re doing is putting us in a place for success. Everything’s a process, and right now we’re working on it.”
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This is the good stuff you want to hear from a young QB. I bet Russell has noticed the difference between Tollner/Hackett and what he’s had before
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Nick Miller ?
hmmmmm
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
At the end of the day….the starting running back can’t average 3.9 yds per carry and 1/16th of a TD per game….he also has to catch.
I would like to see an explosive offense…not a plodding 3yds and a cloud of dust offense.
Coach up DMAC and Bush on the finer points of blocking
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Is it me or are Jerry’s blogs firing me up for this season? Although in the years past, jerry’s blog has always fired me up for the upcoming season. This time it’s nice to here that JR is completing some impressive passes. The O line is still a big question mark. Guess I can’t get my hopes up until after game 1. Go Raiders!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
No, not at all. What I liked about today is they’re seeing so much. We have had a lot in. We need that for how to blitz properly,” Cable said. “We have not been really a pressure team but when we do pressure, we want to be right.
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I hope Al Davis let’s John Marshall do his job
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
I think all the meetings before today was about what to say to the Media come Monday.
Comment of the day: Tommy Kelly (who hasn’t jumped offsides in two days)
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Asomugha, for one, will believe in more regular-season pressure when he sees it.
“That’s like a wait-and-see type of thing because even in camps previously we were doing a lot of blitzing and doing multiple things defensively and then we got into games and we were pretty basic,” Asomugha said.
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The Raiders don’t have a dominant D-Line like the Giants or Redskins….the Raiders have to come up with creative ways to get pressure…otherwise what good is it to have a lockdown corner
This willingness/unwillingness to use pressure is my NUMBER 1 concern going into this season
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm
DHB start practicing even after practice
Russell seems to be working hard seems like a more focused QB WRs are gonna be great this year now if we can just get that o-line playing at a higher level
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
SnB,
What did Fargas avg in 07?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 pm
i am still conserned about the d-line i want some info on them
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Marshall has been in the league too long to be a yes man to AL like Ryan. Dont you think SnB ?
# SNB Defense Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I hope Al Davis let’s John Marshall do his job
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Practice so far sounds more organized and impressive. Seems like Cable’s approach will make the difference to make it to the playoffs. Hope the O line comes through. Hope Gallery gets well soon. I think the Raiders are ready to step back into their commitment to excellence and winning. Won’t worry to much about our DBs but a revitalized Walker would be nice
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
nick miller might be that one ufa that actually makes the team and succeeds…good for him. i am really excited for this season
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
jhill,
Actually, the Raiders believe Branch and Mitchell are interchangeable between SS and FS, and best case scenario is they both start together for maximum flexibility in coverage, and big hits in the running game. Both like to hit, big time. If they can stick together, they will be feared soon enough.
Huff = Bust = Special Teamer
OakFoSho
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Jerry clearly took the lid of registration to get his numbers up when camp hit.
Shameful, but business I suppose.
Jerry why didnt you report JR’s lack of a gut? Im sure you would have mentioned if he was sportin that boiler a few months back!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Answer: 4.5 per. For his career hes over 4 per. For christs sake the dude is a good back and obviously he is earning his carries by how he practices. What about that fact are you morons missing??
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm
D line is a mystery. Kelly should be released if he gives us another worthless season. Step it up money bags!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Mistabrown,
Did he report he HAD a gut? Answer no. Should a pro player be comended for showing up to camp in shape?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
OH waaaaaaa!! The media is being mean to Duhmarcus!! Waaaa! Feel so sorry for the big guy!! WAAAAAA!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm
JR needs to run with the ball more when he gets the room to do so or to avoid the rush. So if he has a gut he can use it to lay out some mofos!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Dam! Jeff Garcia is 39!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
DHB=Troy Williamson,
He should report JR looks to be in the best shape of his career. Thats newsworthy dont you think?
Given the fact that his conditioning has been a question I think its very relevant.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Hello!
Raider Ivan Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Dam! Jeff Garcia is 39!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Take your Meds son!
# DHB=Troy Williamson Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
OH waaaaaaa!! The media is being mean to Duhmarcus!! Waaaa! Feel so sorry for the big guy!! WAAAAAA!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
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August 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Who said he was in the best shape of his career? YOU? LOL! Last pic I saw of him he looked like a tub. Matter of fact I believe Duhmarcus himself said he weighed a bit more than he had hoped to coming into camp. Man, you are just grasping for something arent you?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
DHB=T – How many TD’s does Fargas have over his career?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
I just watched video of todays practice on Chronicle live you moron. That was the foundation for my post.
Idiot.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
What’s up Nation?
I was looking forward to hearing about a Mitchell Hit. Maybe tomorrow.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What, like 7?? Wouldnt you say that would be a product of playing in a real bad offense with no passing game?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Everything is looking good, and DHB will get better. IMO
Rice had problems with dropping the ball his rookie season. He dropped a few TDs.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Mistabrown, Do you have a link to chronicle live of todays practice?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Why then did Duhmarcus say himself he was fatter than he had hoped to be??
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
No, it was on DTV ch 696.
It repeats at 11pm tonight.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Mistabrown, thanks i thought it was online.
What did you think about JRUSS?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
696!!!
What Channel is that Mista?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I only caught a minute of it just enough to see he looked thinner than last year. I plan on watching again @ 11!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Fox Sports Bay Area
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
“Anytime he comes off the ball if you’re pressing him — first of all, he’s not a guy you want to press all the time because of his speed — but when you’re pressing him, anytime he comes off the ball, he comes off confident, like, “I k now that I can run by you.” You can tell that from him so that can put fear in a corner. I think that’s going to help him in the long run…in the short run, actually. It’s going to help him soon.”
Said Heyward-Bey: “I’m confident. I mean, like I said before, it’s football. You’re going to catch some, you’re going to drop some. I’m still going to come off 110 miles per hour. I’m still going to run past you, I don’t care who you are.”
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Exactly!
I just can’t see DCs taking the chance of DHB running free past their defense. JRuss is going to be passing against a lot of zone this year.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
LOL!! He looks no different!! What a tool you are Mista!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Rajai Davis hits the walk-off for the A’s. They’re making their World Series run I tell ya
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Mista,
I see. Keep us informed please.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Kind of like the college coaches were so scared??
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
“Good to see Oren O’Neal on a lead block for Louis Rankin on a running play, taking on Thomas Howard and clearing the way for Louis Rankin.”
Awesome news. He’s a big part of our run game.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Nah,
Not like them, Dude! We’ve had this “talk” before, remember? The one were you admitted DHB had undeniable 1st rd talent?
I don’t expect them to triple cover DHB in the NFL. They just won’t be in single man.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Are you sitting here telling me that DHB was triple covered in college?
First round talent, yes. Top 10 hell no.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Would venture to say you never watched a single Maryland game.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 pm
The Raiders went to school for four days and as a result went out and had a crisp, error free padded practice Monday.
“I noticed there weren’t too many repeats. I didn’t see too many blown assignments when we were going on hard cadences and things like that,” running back Justin Fargas said. “Nobody was flinching, jumping offsides, things like that. Things that have killed us in the past.”
The sentiment was echoed several times by several players. Mission accomplished.
It was indeed a far cry from Raiders practices of the past when confusion reigned.
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Well whuh-da-ya-know ?!?!?!?
Maybe it wasn’t a waste of time.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Cause those kind of quotes NEVER come after the first day or two of camp… NEVER!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Louis Rankin is better than Fargas.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Dude …
It is what it is man. You don’t like the pick? Fine. Don’t like the player? Fine with me. My opinion doesn’t even matter. Just pay attention to what is going on on the field.
If you think that a DC is going to ignore DHBs abiltiy to run by people because he “MAY” drop the pass … well let’s just say I hope you are right, lol!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Fargas is definitely a keeper for this year at least due to his hard work ethic, leadership, and pass blocking ability.
Next year might be a different story for Fargas though.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Dude,
How could we have heard those quotes before if this is the first time we have done this?
Hmmmmm …
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
hey boy! Mista brown cooon. do u know, the difference between a Spook and a Spicc is a spec!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
If he is so big, so fast and so good. Why didnt he dominate college? Why was the pick univerally bashed like no other draft pick I have ever seen? You need alot more than speed to scare DCs in the NFL. I.E.- Alvis Whited, Willie Gault, ummm Troy Williamson.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
We need to be talking about upgrading Carlisle and Green, then it won’t matter if Fargas or Bush is the backup.
The zone blocking system makes stars of pretty much any hard running back. Fargas is not the problem.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
What quotes….. dude?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
You already know the answer to that, Dude …
Because it was the Raiders, and it’s hip to bash the Raiders these days.
Are you really arguing 10 draft slots? He was slated to go anywhere from 17-20, and even you say he has undeniable 1st rd talent. Again, are you, and every other DHB hater, really arguing TEN DRAFT SLOTS?!??!?
How silly is that?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
DHB=,
You still crying and whining about DHB?
You have a crush on him or something?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
DHB=Troy Williamson Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
What quotes….. dude?
DHB=Troy Williamson Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Cause those kind of quotes NEVER come after the first day or two of camp… NEVER!!
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I dunno, lol!
Whatever quotes you were talking about.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
10 draft spots is a BIGGGGGGG dif. $$$$$$$. And dont go on the “Raider Hater” bandwagon. Dont you ever get tired of rationalizing?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
DHB=,
You must be a fan of CrabDiva, and his bad wheel who will not be in a spread offense with crappy Jimmy Raye calling plays.
Is he even in camp yet?? Hmm…..I wonder why 9 other teams passed on him?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Ummmm…. maybe the quote you quoted. LOL. Brilliant!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
does the jerry think miller is like wes welker because hes a fast white man?…i dont know the race of miller, not that it matters,..but if they say hes like wes welker i will assume hes short, fast, and white. go raiders.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
10 draft spots is a BIGGGGGGG dif. $$$$$$$.
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What does the $$$$$ have to do with first round talent? How does a WR who can’t catch get rated as a 1st round prospect?
In other words, what makes him an undeniable talent IN YOUR EYES?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
DHB=Troy Williamson Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Ummmm…. maybe the quote you quoted. LOL. Brilliant!!
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DHB=Troy Williamson Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
What quotes….. dude?
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DHB=Troy Williamson Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Ummmm…. maybe the quote you quoted. LOL. Brilliant!!
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U can’t be serious!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Nick Miller is all those good canaidate for the practice squad come on he is a walk-on let not get to excited.WR i say keep 6.
1. Walker- we are paying him already’ sounds like he is coming to play.
2 Schillings
3 JLH
4 DHB
5 Murphy
6 Watkins
Lot of young talent & speed need Walker as the vet lets pull for this guy to step it up he is the only reciever with more than 2 years and been a pro bowler.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Russell credited the work of passing game coach Ted Tollner and quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett.
“I think those guys are some of the best coaches,” Russell said. “They been around for quite some years. I think you guys see that. And what they’re doing is putting us in a place for success. Everything’s a process, and right now we’re working on it.”
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Of course if, or should I say when JaMarcus tears it up this season, the national media (BSPN and others) will fall all over themselves praising how Jeff Garcia and his work ethic and mentorship FINALLY got JaMarcus over the hump. Watch. Hackett and Tollner will be lucky to get a mention. I guarantee it. The national media will find the story it wants — they’re like reality TV show producers that way.
Also,
1. Schilens
2. Walker
3. JLH
3a. DHB
5. Murphy
6. Nick Miller
I’m very curious to watch Miller in the preseason. Sounds like he could be the next Wayne Chrebet/Wes Welker type to go from undrafted free agent to fan favorite and major spark for the offense. When’s the last time we had a super quick little guy who just gets open on 3rd down and keeps the chains moving? Those guys are EXTREMELY valuable and underrated, IMO.
Who knows, Miller could even be like another guy who played his college ball in the state of Utah … Steve Smith.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Wow, what a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
How many teams have significant injuries to players already? A bunch…at least a half-dozen so far. The Raiders? None to speak of (unless you count Garcia’s sham calf injury).
Cable might be on to something here. Now, we need to translate the first 4-days of learning-intensive practices into results on the field. Before, and throughout, the season.
Hmmm…A head coach who’s willing to stick it waaaay out there, do things his own way, and take control (and responsibility) for his team? Man, if that doesn’t sound like the kind of guy everybody’s been saying this team needs.
Tom Cable. Coach Of The Year. Hey, it COULD happen.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Jhill, that is MR trolling as he always has. Look at the argument style. It is plain as hell
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Garbage-cia isnt getting Russell over the hump. Dont buy into that. If he makes his his strides it is due to his hardwork and the fact that Tollner and Hackett know what they are doing………..we hope
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Sure am rooting for Walker….for so many reasoons.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Preseason will be the tell all wont it? I still say Watkins has the inside track to making the team and Miller may go to practice squad
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Just checked on Cowboys/Raiders tickets. 239.00 for cheap seats. F’N Crazy.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Will Nick Miller be able to move tomorrow? Next week? How long before the DB’s (on our team, or others) figure out his moves? How many camp/pre-season sensations don’t even make cuts EVERY year?
You go, Nick Miller — you could be the next great slot receiver. Or the next James Jett…just good enough to hang around for awhile, but not quite great. Or, not even here for long.
Gotta love the optimism in here for the kid…but he’s got a real battle on his hands, just for a spot on this team.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
I have always respected Cable. He was hands down the best O line coach in the league when Al snapped him up a few years back. He has to find a way to get the mos tout of what we have at that position.
He’s been around success, and now has a shot to make his way with the Raiders.
Rock on Tom….go get some.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Walker better get it together because last year was unacceptable. He better be way better than JLH and Chaz or why do we need him. Murphy and Bey are the future. Who is Walker if he isnt starter material?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
# Raider75 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Just checked on Cowboys/Raiders tickets. 239.00 for cheap seats. F’N Crazy.
You knew that was going to happen. The two most followed football teams are playing man
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Damn this Tequila hittin mayne!!!!!!! Whewwwwwwwwwww
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Just getting Garcia to Oakland lit a fire under JaMarcus’ a$$. Jeff Garcia’s major contribution to the team might have already been made. That would be nice.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Ted Tollner, and Hackett are having a profound effect on JRUSS. O-line holds he is going to lite it up….
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
# Raider75 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Just checked on Cowboys/Raiders tickets. 239.00 for cheap seats. F’N Crazy.
You knew that was going to happen. The two most followed football teams are playing man
………………….
No man. This is through Ticketmaster. This is regular prices for new Cowboys Stadium. All their games are the same price.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:00 am
But Houston is 50.00 Looks like I will be in Houston on Oct. 4th and in front of my tv on thanksgiving. lol
August 4th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Garcia knows why he’s here…all talk of starting aside.
But, if it looks like the other backups (plus Southwick) can sufficiently be counted on…Garcia might be gone real soon…a 6th-round pick to use on next year’s Stryker Sulak experiment sounds about right in trade.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Just finished watching Chronicle Live with Ray Rhatto on Mondays and….ummm…..Ray Rhatto is an idiot. But, what’s new…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:04 am
75 i hear ya brother. I’ll be glad to sit at my grandparents house on thanksgiving and watch my first ever raider turkey day game. My grandparents were at the first game at Kezar Stadium and seen every game possible of the Raiders. That day will be very special. I just hope I aint too drunk
August 4th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Toller has a great track record working with QB’s.
Tollner was QB coach at BYU. BYU had an athletic QB that was struggling, the Hc wanted to convert him to db. Tollner lobbird the head coach and the QB remained
the QB. He eventually wound up winning a SB, and is in the HOF, the qb’s name is steve young…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Good nite Raider fans…things are looking up. lots of positives out there for us!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Riverside they are on the up and up eventhough somethings I am against. Things are getting better. Take care man
August 4th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Russell has two great QB coaches. I’m not worried about him as I was before last year. He will improve and make even bigger plays for this offense
August 4th, 2009 at 12:11 am
“The Raiders have taken the training wheels off their offense. There are “tags” on pass routes which can alter the play after the snap. Fargas believes the players have been given more responsibility in making it work.”
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Last year, when JaMarcus was scrambling for his life (a lot)…how many times did he and the receiver-of-the-moment NOT react in the same way?
These tags are basically “scripted ad-libs” — and the guys will be much more on the same page when under pressure. Now, they all need to make the tags as second-nature as the original plays themselves.
Coaching…what a concept. Whodathunk coaches hired by Al Davis might actually do their jobs? Whodathunk all these young players picked by Al Davis might actually be pretty good?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:12 am
nigggers don’t come from monkey’s, they are monkey’s! and they stink who said that?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Thec……its just to let him know how stupid he is and how he is talking about himself. It has been determine we all have a common ancestor
August 4th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Good to hear Russell doing better today.
Niners beat writer says Craptree is a risky pick. I agree. Spread offense, diva, bad attitude, holding out. To be honest, I didn’t want either receiver. I wanted Monroe to be the pick…but if I was forced to pick between DHB and Craptree, I still take DHB
August 4th, 2009 at 12:13 am
# El Dirty Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:12 am
nigggers don’t come from monkey’s, they are monkey’s! and they stink who said that?
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If black people do than so do you. Keep up with the self hate
August 4th, 2009 at 12:14 am
I dont agree with everything Mr. Davis has done, but i hope he gets to hoist the trophy one more time before he crosses over.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Just saying…………..go look at the archives and see the folks against Craptree. Big 12 dbs are a joke. That version of the spread never allowed Craptree to go against the double team. He also was constantly ran down by linebackers. Why the fuk would Al get him when our offensive scheme changed to be conducive to Russell’s skill? An idiot like MR aka DHB aka Crow aka Dude sees otherwise because he is really a 49er fan
August 4th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Brien i got you. Racist thinking is very limited, trying to get arise, the way he acts is as if he is
a trained, or untrained monkey. depending on your perspective.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:16 am
# Thec Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:14 am
I dont agree with everything Mr. Davis has done, but i hope he gets to hoist the trophy one more time before he crosses over.
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Yep me too. Namely the LA move and the Jerry Rice days. Made me sick at the coliseum
August 4th, 2009 at 12:17 am
I wanna see this team come out fired up on Monday night. Want to see them jacked up, rallying the fans, yelling, screaming. Let’s see some energy this year. Let those Chokers know they are in OUR HOUSE!!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Brain i called the DHB cat to be MR… His tactics and arguments are the same. Has anyone met this cat in real life. He is a special case, easliy personality disorders, somewhat like the idiot posing as fake dirty…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Thec I know. Dont get me wrong a little racial comedy can be funny but using Dirty’s name and saying something unfunny just doesnt work out ya dig
August 4th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Brian, with you 100%…..
August 4th, 2009 at 12:20 am
# Thec Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Brain i called the DHB cat to be MR… His tactics and arguments are the same. Has anyone met this cat in real life. He is a special case, easliy personality disorders, somewhat like the idiot posing as fake dirty…
Thec, the guy has got issues. His story never adds up. He claimed to date a Sacramento Kings cheerleader but yet never had sex without a condom and is 35. I smell virgin. Also this guy claims running a WCO is best for the Raiders eventhough the personnel doesnt line up with it. Did I mention he is a self admitted troll? Go look at the archives
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 am
For all i know the fake dirty could be MR…..
Claim to fame, Multiple personalities on a blog….
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Just saying…………..go look at the archives and see the folks against Craptree. Big 12 dbs are a joke. That version of the spread never allowed Craptree to go against the double team. He also was constantly ran down by linebackers. Why the fuk would Al get him when our offensive scheme changed to be conducive to Russell’s skill? An idiot like MR aka DHB aka Crow aka Dude sees otherwise because he is really a 49er fan
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Yeah – don’t worry though. I think Craptree will get exposed real quick. This guy’s a scumbag. He wants top-5 even thoughhe was drafted 10. His antics with his entourage wiping their forehead as if they were relieved he wasn’t picked by the Raiders? Some folks believe that move cost him millions and was part of the reason for his slide. They may be overanalyzing but NFL franchises look at those things. The Niners I guess couldn’t pass up another TO.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:22 am
# just saying… Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:17 am
I wanna see this team come out fired up on Monday night. Want to see them jacked up, rallying the fans, yelling, screaming. Let’s see some energy this year. Let those Chokers know they are in OUR HOUSE!!
That game is mandatory. The Raiders owe the chargers with interest! I expect a rowdy affair and the Raiders putting hands on San Diego. SD pass defense gets worse every year and the bad enough Oakland had more sacks than they did last year. That D is getting bad now
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 am
I have no clue why people think SD is a super bowl contending team. I just cant see it. They seem quite softer under Norv…..as if that is a surprise
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 am
I have been on this blog a long time now. MR is a sick person. The DHB dude said he was a bartender in atlanta
at Fox sports bar and grill. says he is in last year of college. His MO is the same as MR’s and I called him on it. Thing is he did not deny it. For all i know MR could be Jerry…..
August 4th, 2009 at 12:24 am
yeah, they definitely seem soft. When you have a crybaby as your RB, you are soft!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Craptree is a punk man. Plain and simple. I knew Al wouldnt pick him. Go to the archives. Brien was consistently saying it would never happen. And people had the nerve to tell me Al makes splashes as justification. Al made a splash and picked DHB. Even I was shocked but happy it wasnt Craptree. I saw an interview in February and he reminded of a bitch ass guy who thinks he is above people. Honestly I think he is a f@ggot
August 4th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Man, I really want to see Rivers get LEVELED in Oaktown!! Even if it costs us a penalty. Wanna see that guy get steamrolled!
Oh….and I wanna see LT’s sisssy azz limping off the field after a Mitchell hit.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 am
SD has zero run D. Castillio has been proven to be a fraud, and williams is old. They did not upgrade. I heard a local radio guy said that the raiders would be a scary team to play for san diegos first game, as san diego cant stop the run. It has also been reported that merriman is not the same as of yet. Local talking heads report he is not 100% which is why they picked up Ghoulton, errr english…..
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 am
ha-ha-ha wonder whos copying who there in dawg pound, RR Kiff or vice-versa?
“BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Eric Mangini has the Cleveland Browns running in circles.
As punishment for mental mistakes, fumbles and various other on-the-field transgressions, Mangini is making his players run laps during practice.
Drop a pass, take a lap. Jump offsides, take a lap. Commit a penalty, off you go.
On Sunday, following two straight false-start penalties and a bad snap from center during team drills, Mangini sent Cleveland’s entire offense — the 11 who were on the field and all the players watching from the sideline — on a run around the perimeter of one field.
When the offense passed behind the defense, cornerback Corey Ivey rubbed it in.
“C’mon. Pick it up, now,” Ivey chirped at some straggling linemen.
Through the first two days of practice, the Browns have had a track meet of players forced to run as penance. Rookie center Alex Mack (FSY) has made at least three solo circuits and quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson (FSY) have had to jog for various sins.”
“The extra running isn’t the only new wrinkle at Camp Mangini.
The Browns’ first-year coach is also having loud music pumped through speakers lining one end of the practice facility. He’s hoping to get his players ready for the deafening crowds they’ll come across on the road in the NFL, and Mangini likes to keep his players loose with an eclectic music mix.”
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/browns/2009-08-02-camp-sunday_N.htm?csp=34
Mangini and RR… god, the browns fans must feel like the characters from dumb&dumber are coaching their team… FACEPLANT!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:28 am
You guys hold it down i am out gotta go. Have a 730 meeting..
1 NATION
August 4th, 2009 at 12:29 am
LaDanian is a punk If he was a man he would tell the media to not call him LT. How dare you disrespect a two time super bowl winning crackhead who never wimped out?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Losing Igor Oshansky is gonna hurt the SD defense. That guy can play 3-4 DE well
August 4th, 2009 at 12:31 am
I’m out too. See yall
August 4th, 2009 at 12:35 am
see ya, man
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 am
anyone else in here
August 4th, 2009 at 12:58 am
come on man, its simple. LT2 earned it. the MF was hell throughout his career vs anybody and has some left in the tank too imo.
and as long as Rivers is there they cant be counted out on offense. he good but HE is falling apart too a little…
on defense is where i see them lose games. Merriman and Castillo in particular are the ones i dont expect to be what they were couple years ago based on their age. imo they stole their spot in the draft juicing up in school and performing accordingly to catch the eyes of the scouts.
J Ceasare is a solid DE that can replace Igor but Jamaal Ws production is what they should be concerned with in that defense first and foremost. would be surprised if he makes it through the season or is very effective if does.
they got a highway up the middle with a 4-3 OLB playing inside and suspect Ss.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 am
Thec Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 am
SD has zero run D.
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They won’t need it against us. We’re not going to run the ball.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Steelyone Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
I have always respected Cable. He was hands down the best O line coach in the league when Al snapped him up a few years back.
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LOL. According to whom?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:31 am
HayesDaze#37 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Wow, what a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
How many teams have significant injuries to players already? A bunch…at least a half-dozen so far. The Raiders? None to speak of (unless you count Garcia’s sham calf injury).
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That’s because we spent our first 4 days doing choreography and stroking the players’ egos. Heck, we could do that all through training camp and leave camp with zero injuries, if that’s our only goal this year. It probably is.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:51 am
Sounding positive for a 1st padded session. Cable’s approach, while unorthodox, may have been the best approach for This team. That is, think first, use your head, get in the right position; then show your Raider physic. Football is more of a mental game than the physical. We know we have the physical in many respects across the board.
Still, its early. Expect some hiccups along the way. So long as they progressively improve and become more consistent consistency.
Don’t fret too much about DHB. It’ll work itself out. He’s got a long career ahead of him. He’ll only get better. Even your favorite Chaz didn’t show up till the end of the season. (Which is why I’m tapering expectations of him heading into this season. I think expectations are far to high for this 2nd year player).
August 4th, 2009 at 1:53 am
mental mistakes has killed the raiders over the years. dmc said they had a pretty few mental misakes(offsides,false starts,not knowing plays!!!) in practice. this is good for a VERY YOUNG football team learning to play together. it was only 4 days it helped alot. lets see if it carries over into the regular season. if it does cable is a genius
August 4th, 2009 at 1:57 am
I think they’re going to blitz more this year. Just a gut feeling. In the end it all depends on whether the players can get there when the blitz is called. If so, expect to progressively see more of it. Once you open a hornets nets its hard to stop them from tearing into your azs. But if they can’t get there, expect to see less.
I have long said Routt is your guy at corner to pair with Nnamdi. I still stand by that statement so long as Routt is mentally there (which he wasn’t last year or the year before). If CJ keeps proven his worth, then so be it. But its Routt you should be keepin’ an eye on imo.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:11 am
There will be bad days for sure. Changing the way you do things or approach things is pretty difficult once its ingrained in you after years of mis-approach.
You have relapses; but the team must fight to be conscientiously better and more consistent with Cables approach.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:12 am
jhill Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Not sure how Branch and Mitchell will both be on the field when they are both competing at SS.
Huff and Eugene are battling it out for FS.
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See what you mean, but if things stay the saem (they will) there is no designation as such and no adjustment when the O goes in motion.
Huff’s laced agression and seems unsure. Always a fraction or step late.
Lets hope the extra wak throughs helped solidify everyones fundamentals and reads.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:13 am
140. Routt’s always been more comfortable working the side line and has said as much.
He could be much improved if he’s taking this year seriously. Seems that way so far…
August 4th, 2009 at 5:12 am
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August 4th, 2009 at 5:19 am
Guys if Farglass is the main RB going into that SD game I cant watch it. We will lose. Cable is an idiot to start that 3rd stringer. The nerve of him to say he is a playmaker. Guys doesnt make plays
August 4th, 2009 at 5:59 am
LEARN YOUR PASS-PROTECTIONS ALREADY MBUSH & DMAC!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
A lot to do this morning, so I will be in and out!
August 4th, 2009 at 6:14 am
WOW. Nnamdi says DHB will put fear in a CB!
He’s taking a lot of reps with the first team and exploding off the ball.
He’s healthy and he’s the last one leaving the practice field …
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pretty good for a 4th string WR, right haters?
Heyward-Bey isn’t a project. He’s not going to sit on the bench for two years and learn. He’s more NFL ready than Crabtree, Maclin & Harvin – one of the reasons Cable said he was the undisputed draft choice
the notion that Chaz Schilens or Johnnie Lee Higgins are going to be Pro Bowlers while DHB gets 2 passes his way per game is uneducated and ignorant
August 4th, 2009 at 6:16 am
good morning Brien, CSTH, Hwnrdr, N21 …
August 4th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Nick Miller made the biggest play of the first practice when he somehow got between Hiram Eugene and Chris Johnson and came down with a 50-yard rainbow from JaMarcus Russell.
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geez. I hope our pass defense isn’t overrated again. I’d hate to see Philip Rivers shred our pass def. the way Cutler did in Week 1 last year
you’ve got to be concerned if Russell and rookie undrafted players are ripping up your starters!
unless of course Russell has drastically improved this offseason …
August 4th, 2009 at 6:28 am
– One blitzer who came in unimpeded was veteran Sam Williams, with new line acquisition Erik Pears failing to cut him off.
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I guess we know who will be cut in order to make room for Danny Southwick on the training camp roster – Erik Pears!
haha
August 4th, 2009 at 6:30 am
CJ is disgruntled because he has to compete for his starting job?
Routt shuts down Higgins. CJ gets beat by Nick Miller.
hmmm… maybe the competition is a good thing?
August 4th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Of course routt hasn’t been anywhere as good as he could be but the guy is what 6′2 runs a 4.3 40 , al will give his chance and you always need a nickel back anyway. Bush/Dmac if cable wants to be successful that will be his 2 main backs.
August 4th, 2009 at 6:52 am
>>Chris Johnson, a situation that drew an interesting take from Asomugha.
“I think Chris has been a little more upset than Stanford because Chris came in after DeAngelo (left) and felt like he proved himself worthy of starting this year,” Asomugha said>>
Actually his quote sounds dead on(and less controversial, I know the media doesn’t want that) if you would’ve included the whole thing Jerry.
“I think Chris has been a little more upset than Stanford because Chris came in after DeAngelo (left) and felt like he proved himself worthy of starting this year, BUT it lit a fire in him too, so he’s been playing A LOT better, he’s got a little MORE intensity than we expected at this point, but Stanford has been playing GREAT too so, we’ll see. Now that the ball is involved, we’re gonna see a lot more plays and see who’s really ahead of the other.”
August 4th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Since we’re talking about MR’s drafting knowledge, anyone remember him saying Dorsey was way better than Run DMc?
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/885
August 4th, 2009 at 7:09 am
If dhb is a bust but chaz with a 7rd pick and murphy with a 4rd pick light it up it all good!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 7:11 am
I agree with you NMF, but what a waste that would be. Maybe Chaz’s confidence of making the field last year as a 7th rounder along with Trevor Scott as a sixth rounder will help DHB. Then again, it all depends on DHB. I’m sure that he wants to erase all negativity. We can only hope!
August 4th, 2009 at 7:18 am
MaddenRaider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 am
Thec Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 am
SD has zero run D.
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They won’t need it against us. We’re not going to run the ball.
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According to Who???????
August 4th, 2009 at 7:22 am
No more:
1st down Run
2nd down run
3rd down pass incomplete
4th down 75 yrd field goal…..
With a very little imagination this offense will go from 3 and out to making a lot of first downs.PERIOD.
August 4th, 2009 at 7:23 am
I just hope the Raiders put the best players on the field. Players that can make real plays. Over the last few years, the Raiders have relied on mediocre talent to do extraordinary things.
The Raiders learned that lesson last year. Had DMAC on the bench when he was healthy…then he plays him a little…then in the offseason Cable looks at the film and….surprise, surprise…he notices the offense opens up….I am also sure he realizes that Michael Bush saved his job….and all of this worked wonders for Russell.
That’s just one example…same could be said with how receivers were managed last year…left tackles…
Just put out the guys who can be great….not just ok
August 4th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Post 158, Spot on this isnt college, or a science project….
NO MORE SCHOLARSHIPS……
Put the BEST players on the field PERIOD.
August 4th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Gotta go to a meeting for 3 hours will be back,
should be around the time you guys get twits on practice.
You all know that the world has only one NATION……
August 4th, 2009 at 7:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 6:28 am
– One blitzer who came in unimpeded was veteran Sam Williams, with new line acquisition Erik Pears failing to cut him off.
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I guess we know who will be cut in order to make room for Danny Southwick on the training camp roster – Erik Pears!
haha
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My guess is the first real injury will get Danny in uniform…and Garcia’s calf strain sounds like it happened in the shower. If you know what I mean.
August 4th, 2009 at 7:31 am
The New England Patriots have signed quarterback Andrew Walter and released quarterback Matt Gutierrez.
August 4th, 2009 at 7:34 am
I think there’s a higher chance of JaMarcus Russell being g@y than Jeff Garcia …
Garcia is married to a former Playboy Playmate of the Year and they have 2 kids together!
August 4th, 2009 at 7:39 am
thanks for the info woj!
who didn’t see that coming?
Andrew Walter will be the 3rd QB until he learns the offense i’m sure
August 4th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I’m sorta surprised Den didn’t try to get him, or him wanting to go there for a chance to compete for a starting spot and to play us. Of course who knows what the hell they’re thinkin about in Den, I don’t think they even know.
August 4th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I guess this Nick Miller kid has alot to offer, and impressed EVERYONE in his first practice. My depth chart might change:
1. Schilens
2. Walker/DHB depending on Walkers health
3. Murphy/DHB (see above)
4. JLH/Murphy
5. Miller/JLH
Todd Watkins… The Raiders cannot use you. You may play somewhere else in the NFL, but it wont be for the Raiders….. Your cut.
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
You can say you heard it from AZ first!
DRINK IT!
August 4th, 2009 at 7:51 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Heyward-Bey isn’t a project. He’s not going to sit on the bench for two years and learn. He’s more NFL ready than Crabtree, Maclin & Harvin – one of the reasons Cable said he was the undisputed draft choice
the notion that Chaz Schilens or Johnnie Lee Higgins are going to be Pro Bowlers while DHB gets 2 passes his way per game is uneducated and ignorant
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Best players should play. Chaz Schilens is ripping it up on the field right now. He’s catching the ball. He is, thankfully, a Cable favorite.
JLH caught the ball in real games last year. There is no reason why he couldn’t catch 3 or 4 per gm if given the chance to star more game. Watch Nick Miller here. If he sticks around…he could be the guy to give JLH a breather on the kick return.
Bottom line….DHB is going to have to get it done in camp…That means outperforming the other guys and not dropping 4 passes a game.
I don’t care what DHB’s pedigree or draft status is. There are other YOUNG receivers on this team that should be given the chance if they put in the work and perform in practice.
August 4th, 2009 at 7:55 am
If DMAC can be platooned with Justin Fargas…then its certainly within possiblity that DHB could platoon for the 2nd or 3rd receiver spot
August 4th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Chaz is a lock at a top 2 reciever spot. Most likely our #1. If Walker does what I think he can do, we’ll have 2 very productive recievers on the roster and a bunch of young yet extremely talented guys below them on the depth chart. Anyone who thinks DHB isn’t raw and needs coaching to become the type of reciever who gets picked in the top ten needs thier head checked. ANY WR drafted regardless of position is expected to stuggle on the learning curve. What you are going to see is WR by commitee this season in the first few weeks until 3 shine brighter than the rest. One of 2 recievers will be on the field at all times… Those being Walker and/or Schilens and the comittee will compliment those two guys. Murphy and DHB will see similar time. JLH on the other hand, as I’ve also mentioned in the past, is our kick return threat. Spending too much time trying to be a reciever, i.e., Devin Hester, will hamper his return game. So unless someone can step up and take that spot, I’d rather not see JLH line up as anything but a 4th stg reciever.
There you have it… reciever by commitee.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:10 am
raiders are a good team
August 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I know, you guys are hating my take on JLH, but I beleive the kicking game to be something very important and it’s one of our only bright spots from last season… Maybe Miller & Miller can handle the return game, but until I see someone better that JLH returning punts and backing up Justin for KR’s, he should keep his focus there…
August 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am
This morning I spoke to an associate of Mr Davis. Jeff Garcia will be given equal opportunity in preseason to earn starting job.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:14 am
JLH caught the ball in real games last year.
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so did Ashley Lelie & Ronald Curry. thats not a valid point
if you’re fine with Fargas starting ahead of DMC, I am not surprised you think Schilens/Higgins should start ahead of DHB.
Heyward-Bey is going up against Nnamdi every day in camp and Nnamdi gave him high praise. He’s working harder than anybody else out there and if you don’t think he’s a Cable/Davis favorite, you don’t know what one is.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:15 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I know, you guys are hating my take on JLH, but I beleive the kicking game to be something very important and it’s one of our only bright spots from last season… Maybe Miller & Miller can handle the return game, but until I see someone better that JLH returning punts and backing up Justin for KR’s, he should keep his focus there…
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I gotta disagree with you. JLH is electric when the guy touches the ball. Whether returning kicks, reverses, slants over the middle, or making plays in the end-zone….7TDS in limited time.
This kid is explosive and I like his energy on the field. If he outperforms the other guys in the receiver drills…practice….then he should start…period.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:19 am
JLH on the other hand, as I’ve also mentioned in the past, is our kick return threat. Spending too much time trying to be a reciever, i.e., Devin Hester, will hamper his return game.
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Higgins was a more impressive WR than Schilens was last year and you’re calling him 4th/5th and Chaz a LOCK at top 2?
Justin Miller is our KR, not Higgins. Higgins is our PR.
AZ, I don’t think you should be calling for others to get thier heads checked
Heyward-Bey is going to be a stud and you’re going to be eating crow
open your mouth!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am
You live in Arizona? How do you go to games? Long road trip.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Mornin, RR, SNB, AZ, Thec, Hwnrdr, NATION
August 4th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Rockstar,
There is no way DHB will start, or get a lot of snaps, if he doesn’t get it done in camp. I don’t care who he lines up against. I hope the kid comes through.
But don’t hate on JLH or Schilens. Those guys are young too. And they are learning.
Good to great wide receivers come from all rounds of the draft and even UFAs. The key is that they get a chance to play.
Marques Colston – 7th round
Steve Smith – 3rd round
T.J Houshminzadeh – 7th round
Wes Welker – UFA
Derrick Mason – 4th round
Brandon Marshall – 3rd round
Terrel Owens – 3rd round
August 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I don’t think Tom Brady will be healthy for all 16 games this year and if he is, his play will be much worse than it was in 2007. He missed 15 1/2 regular season games and that knee procedure wasn’t a minor one.
I’d be surprised if he tops 3500 passing yards and 25 TD’s this year, but that should still get them into the playoffs. the Fins were a 1 year fluke. the Jets are rebuilding and the Bills took on T.O.
the Pats play the Bengals, Eagles, Redskins & Giants in preseason … Andrew Walter will have at least 4 INT’s in those 4 games!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
OMG!…its almost football season!!!!…cant wait!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
DHB will get plenty of playing time this year….same with Mitchell…Al wants to prove that he made the right call on those two draft picks. He wants to prove he still has an eye for talent. He won’t allow his coaching staff to get in the way of trying to make Chris Carter and Stink and Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock eat crow.
If those guys fail to produce this year imagine the humiliation Al will face, the extra tarnishing his legacy will take…Al is a proud man and he won’t let talent and winning get in the way of proving he was right and everyone else was wrong about DHB and Mitchell.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Please do not mention Tom Brady in here…it gets me wet!!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Please don’t compare Higgins or Schilens to Marques Colston, Steve Smith, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Wes Welker, Derrick Mason, Brandon Marshall or Terrell Owens …
they have done NOTHING to suggest that they are anything close to these types of elite talents.
I know that you can find talented football players in the later rounds of the draft – Michael Bush & Trevor Scott for example. However, you don’t see me comparing Scott to Howie Long or Bush to Bo Jackson, do you?
thats absurd!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:32 am
RR,
Hey bro, I’ve always said DHB is going to be a stud, don’t put words in my mouth with that crow eating crap…
JLH should be returning EVERY PUNT and be back there with Miller just how he was last year. His role shouldn’t change unless you have someone that can do what he can do in the return game. That means PR’s or KR’s which JLH did both. Why rob Peter to pay Paul? It doesnt make sence….
And YES, Schilens IS a better WR than JLH right now. And YES, I think Chaz is a LOCK in the top 2 reciever spots. He’ll be 1 or 2 on the depthchart.
9-7!
You too can say you heard it from AZ first.
DRINK IT!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:33 am
I hope Garcia plays,..with me!!!…me and him and his playmate wife in bed!!!…oooohhhhh…
August 4th, 2009 at 8:34 am
There is no way DHB will start, or get a lot of snaps, if he doesn’t get it done in camp. I don’t care who he lines up against.
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what about Mario Henderson last year?
in your theory, he never would have sniffed the playing field last year…
Harris & Green for 16 more starts anyone?
August 4th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Arizona is basically an old folks home, used ot be thats what Florida was, now its Arizona, all thats there is cactus and old folks.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Gooood morning Nation!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Please don’t compare Higgins or Schilens to Marques Colston, Steve Smith, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Wes Welker, Derrick Mason, Brandon Marshall or Terrell Owens …
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I am not comparing their actual performance. The point I was trying to get across is that you don’t know what you have until they get a chance to play.
If Schilens or JLH beat out DHB, Murphy etc….then they should should start and they should play.
I personally would be very interested to see what Schilens or JLH could do with 16 starts.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Schilens IS a better WR than JLH right now. And YES, I think Chaz is a LOCK in the top 2 reciever spots. He’ll be 1 or 2 on the depthchart.
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AZ: putting words in your mouth? here’s what you said:
“Anyone who thinks DHB isn’t raw and needs coaching to become the type of reciever who gets picked in the top ten needs thier head checked.”
that doesn’t sound like somebody who thinks DHB will be a stud!
and what are you basing your predictions on? OTA’s and 1 day of training camp? Higgins was better (and more durable) than Schilens last year. Walker isn’t even healthy enough to get on the field yet … if these guys are truly our #1 & #2 WR’s teams will not fear or respect our passing game and we will get stuffed trying to run the football
August 4th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Are you ready for some football?
August 4th, 2009 at 8:45 am
good morning Dirty, fatguy, tiffany, Dakota …
August 4th, 2009 at 8:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 8:34 am
what about Mario Henderson last year?
in your theory, he never would have sniffed the playing field last year…
Harris & Green for 16 more starts anyone?
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Those examples were the result of Tom Cable/Lane Kiffin player evaluation. My biggest concern going into this season.
And Mario Henderson proved he was the better player.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Fargas starting the first day of camp doesn’t bother me…Fargas starting the first game of the year…then fire Cable.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
My concerns for 2009:
1. Tom Cable personnel/player evaluation skills
2. Al Davis letting John Marshall do his job
3. John Marshall’s “teaching” skills
4. JaMarcus Russell’s progression
5. Tom Cable’s playcalling skills
August 4th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Mario Henderson proved he was the better player.
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when? in camp or in games?
and what makes you think Heyward-Bey can’t do the same?
By the way, i’m not sold on Cable’s talent evaluation skills either …
August 4th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Thinking of the DHB-Crabtree draft scenario last night got me thinking about the ‘99 draft. That’s when the Colts selected Edge, even though his “production” was nowhere near that of Ricky Williams, who at that time was a Heisman winner and the NCAA all-time leading rusher.
People criticized the Colts a lot on draft day, but they chose Edge because of a great pro-day and a few good games late in the season. Let’s hope DHB is Edgerrin and Crabs is Ricky Williams, 10 years later.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Anyone who thinks DHB isn’t raw and needs coaching to become the type of reciever who gets picked in the top ten needs thier head checked. ANY WR drafted regardless of position is expected to stuggle on the learning curve.
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No, THAT is what I said… Your as bad as Jerry MAC, only quoting half what was said. And YOU of ALL PEOPLE should know I’m a DHB supporter even before the draft. You see my post all the time but appearently your not retaining much….
Anyways, I don’t think I heard anything about JLH in OTA’s or anything special out of him so far at camp, but AGAIN, I’m also a JLH supporter, if you retained anything in here you’d know that…
Maybe, your just argumentative this morning RR, I don’t know, but I do know, if your gonna argue with someone, I’m not the best target…
My OPINION IS THIS:
Chaz Schilens IS our most polished reciever RIGHT NOW. I never said that wouldn’t change. DHB needs to polish up his game, and with alot of recievers it may take a while. I believe that DHB will have an ALL-PRO career, he’s just not gonna put up those #’s his rookie season.
JLH is most explosive as a PR specialist who should focus on that unless someone better comes along to take that role. Now, I never said he shouldn’t play a little WR, because is situational stuff, he can make huge plays for us. His role should change much from last year, especially if DHB and Murphy come along quickly.
DHB was IMO the BEST upside reciever in the draft and I’m glad to have him….
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
Your AZ kool-aid pimp said it first!
DRINK UP NATION!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:59 am
His role should change much from last year, especially if DHB and Murphy come along quickly.
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CORRECTION:
*His role SHOULDN’T change much…..
August 4th, 2009 at 9:03 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 8:52 am
when? in camp or in games?
and what makes you think Heyward-Bey can’t do the same?
By the way, i’m not sold on Cable’s talent evaluation skills either …
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Mario proved it in the games from what I could tell…He had a bad camp…but Kwame had an abysmal season…when Henderson got on the field he got the job done.
Heyward-Bey could do the same thing. No doubt. But if he can’t outperform in camp…then he should have to wait until an opportunity opens up during the game and outperform the other receivers.
Tom Cable’s evaluation skills worry me. That Kwame Harris experiment calls into question a lot of things.
All he had to do was watch this tape on Kwame…Hilarious…yet scary
http://web.splashcast.net/web_watch/?episodes=2006+Kwame+and+Derek+Episode+Player&code=ZHAC9804LJ
August 4th, 2009 at 9:04 am
if your gonna argue with someone, I’m not the best target
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just like S&B… I respect your opinion, just don’t always agree with it. this blog is for discussion/debate. is it not?
you’re a good poster, i’m not bashing you. I’m giving my opinion and giving you a fresh perspective. take it with a grain of salt if you wish, but just like you … I have reasons to back up the things I say. I don’t just blurt out nonsense and expect everyone to agree with me
August 4th, 2009 at 9:08 am
what’s up Vegas?
got any interviews lined up?
seen Javon lately?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:13 am
* New defensive coordinator John Marshall had his troops bring the blitz all day Monday — for two reasons.
One, to prepare JaMarcus Russell for the inevitable when the Chargers come to town. And two, to prepare the Raiders to return the favor.
The defense got to the quarterback five times in six plays during team drills. The middle linebacker blitzed the most, with Kirk Morrison bringing it three times.
* Rookie free safety Mike Mitchell did nothing noticeable. He did end up on the ground in coverage once on a different deep throw to McFadden.
* Left tackle Mario Henderson beat defensive end Trevor Scott on consecutive pass-rush drills in a one-on-one format. Scott was on the ground both times.
-David White (SF Gate)
August 4th, 2009 at 9:14 am
* Andrew Walter to the Patriots. Really. Oh, the 2006 stories he and Randy Moss will share …
* Pads are on for morning practice. No sunshine, no Burgess and no Garcia.
-David White (twitter)
August 4th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Good Morning Nation, Gents.
AZ,
Go play with your jar in that Corner.
RR,
Go play with your guns in the other corner.
Let’s Go Disco. Legalize It!!
August 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Top of the morning folks!
Actual on the field stuff to talk about!
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* Rookie free safety Mike Mitchell did nothing noticeable.
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So is Mitchell 3rd team FS so far? That’s horrible!
August 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 9:08 am
what’s up Vegas?
got any interviews lined up?
seen Javon lately?
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What’s going on Rockstar? Things are moving at a snails pace, and your boy Vegas Raider is going to be Albuquerque Raider here potentially (wife is from there, already have a house there as well).
No Jovan sightings, but I did see Willie McGinnest at a blackjack table two weekend ago’s. Jovan obviously impressed Jerry with his workout the other day, I remain a little more cynical and will have to see it to believe it, on the field in a game.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:18 am
What up ‘O’, and it’s all good RR…
SnB, vegas…..
It’s still a good day to be a Raider fan!
9-7!
DRINK UP GUYS!
what’s up wit Garcia??????????
August 4th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Andrew Walter to the Patriots.
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How many times did I say this was a natural fit? It just amazes me that we couldn’t get a Burgess/Walter trade with NE pulled off.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:19 am
“everyone’s got to fight for a job to get this thing down to 53 and the right 53 and inside of that obviously who your starters are and so forth.”
-Tom Cable
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S&B: it doesn’t sound like Cable wants to hand out any scholarships, but you know Al Davis likes to …
your thoughts?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am
NE is gonna rub Walter in our faces too watch… He’ll have a 10-6 season when Brady goes down again next year, then he’ll get Traded to the Broncos and kick our arses for a decade or so…
Na, f*ck Walter, he was a crybaby…. i feel bad for him though, because, I don’t think there has ever been a QB in the NFL that has gone through what he went through in Oakland… What a mess it’s been round hear the last 6 years…
August 4th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Albuquerque, NM? wow. that’s quite a change, isn’t it?
anything to do there? I bet it’s hotter than ever there too! oh well. you’re a guy. change comes easy for us.
My wife is from MO and I don’t ever see us moving, because she’s so close to her family. I moved from Cali and never gave moving back there a second thought
August 4th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Hey O, you see that the White House on Monday announced that they are changing the “language” on the website for cash for clunkers, that I was so up in arms about on Sat. See I wasn’t so crazy!!!!! lol Now where’s BSJ, he owes me an apology.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:27 am
RR,
Al will have his scholarship programs, but not as much, and not for years like Sam Williams.
Competition will make us much better.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Yes quite the change, I dread it. Her fam’s still there, and she being a VA nurse, can seamlessly transfer, given some time.
Actually ABQ isn’t as hot as people think it is, highs in the low 90’s this time of year. Beats the 110 it is today in Vegas. She owns a house out there already, we would have to do something with our condo here, but her mom is sick and looks like we will move there in a couple of months. 5 years in Vegas and I am married, unemployed, and leaving with my tail between my legs. Not quite the play that the coach drew up for me when I left college, lol!
August 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Vegas,
I agreed with you that it needs improvement, but I didn’t agree about the dealers losing Money.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:30 am
good morning Raider O, Jhill …
Walter had no trade value and New England knew it. They called our bluff. Why give away a draft pick when you don’t have to? With Jeff Garcia, Danny Southwick, Charlie Frye & Bruce Gradkowski all being signed this offseason to compete for backup spots behind Russell everybody could tell Andrew Walter was on his way out. especially since he ditched the QB school and OTA’s. He could have tried to earn the #3 job here, but he’ll face less competition for the #3 job in NE since they cut Matt Gutierrez. I don’t expect him to ever be anything more than a depth player in this league.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Vegas,
Big Brother loves you, and only wants what’s best for you.
Big Brother!!!!
LMAO
August 4th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Walter is probably better then Russell.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:34 am
at least ABQ is a big city. you’ll bounce back and find a job
and at least you own the house you’re moving into – not wasting money on rent.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Raider O,..are you one of those people, a woman trapped in a mans body?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Possibl enew name for Mike M….Naga Jolokia
Look it up.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:36 am
5 years in Vegas and I am married, unemployed, and leaving with my tail between my legs. Not quite the play that the coach drew up for me when I left college, lol!
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LMFAO!
You always keep it real Vegas. Just remember that everything happens for a reason.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:37 am
ssibl ha ha ha ha lol Ooops.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:37 am
RR,
I think Walter can be a great backup, like Matt C was last year, but I don’t think him and Castle are starters. Great Backups, but not starters at this point.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 9:19 am
“everyone’s got to fight for a job to get this thing down to 53 and the right 53 and inside of that obviously who your starters are and so forth.”
-Tom Cable
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S&B: it doesn’t sound like Cable wants to hand out any scholarships, but you know Al Davis likes to …
your thoughts?
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I think Cable clings to personalities that mesh with his too much. I think he clings to players he likes over the actual talent or potential.
We will see if scholarships go away. I am still not convinced after seeing Cable go down with the ship with Kwame Harris….How he reluctantly used DMAC (when healthy) over Fargas…or wasting time with Lelie when it was clear he was no longer the answer.
Sam Williams, Justin Fargas, Hiram Eugene are great guys I am sure. But in the NFL you have to have the talent to go along with your leadership.
Khalif Barnes scares me too. This is a guy that was cut from his previous team and there were no takers. Why was that? Teams don’t give up good QBs or good LTs…unless th contract demands are ridiculous.
We will see. All I know is that guys like Eugene, Fargas, Warren, Barnes, Williams are not guys that could be top 10 in their positions. And at the end of the day…that’s what the Raiders should be striving for
August 4th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Chaz is the real deal. Any doubt Youtube his college highlights. They are VERY impressive. Not to mention his measurables are very similar to DHB.
I see DHB coming on strong late in the year similar to Chaz last year. Maybe sooner if there are injuries. DHB simply needs time to learn and develop.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Fat,
Maybe!!
I always felt like a lesbian!
August 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
JHill,
If you can’t laugh at yourself who can you laugh at, right?
What do you think of my analogy in #196. There is a precendent for DHB to be the right choice. I’m clinging to anything I can!!!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Why does this posting comments to fast. Slw down what tis that?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:45 am
TJ!…call Gary right now!…I squared things between you two!
August 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
SnB, why do you cntinue t say you hope Mr Davis will let his coaches coach?
Also, DHB’s drops sre just par for the course.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Fat,
Are you a Talking Monkey trapped in a human body?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
TJ,…I spoke to Pat Conner, its ok to call today if you like.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Call Gary for what?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Talk about the Raiders.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:52 am
From D White:
- DHB 3rd drop in 1 on 1
- Nick Miller looks great again catching another bomb
- Branch looks great in coverage breaking a pass to Z Miller
August 4th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Chaz is a freak 6′4 220 4.4 speed and has the hands to match! What’s happening nation?! All is well in Raiderland, im soo happy to hear that the foundation is being laid and everyone is on the same page in practice. Jruss looks good, though I haven’t heard about Barnes or Henderson how are they doing on the line agains the blitz were they struggling?
August 4th, 2009 at 9:56 am
SnB, nothing personal man but it’s impossible to have a top 10 talent at every position. That’s insane no team in the history of sports has been able to achieve that.
I think what we’re dealing with is unrealistic expectations on the part of fans. If you have 5 guy’s who are top 10 on your team it’s very rare. What you want is quality starters at as many posititons as possible. If you can do that you have a great team.
I’ve said it many times this is not a bad team but when someone expects a great player at every position. This is a horrible team. Due t unrealistic expectations.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Please Bob! let’s nt get into this again man I don’t want to talk to Gary about the Raiders. I tell you what I’ll call Rod and Fitz sometime this week.
OK
August 4th, 2009 at 9:59 am
OH MY GOD, Big Ben is truggling. That has to mean that he will not be good QB in the 2009 season. Much like JRuss. He truggled so much in OTA’s that he is already a “BUST” in the eye of all the “experts”.
http://blog.theredzone.org/ViewItem.asp?Entry=2340
Ben Roethlisberger has thrown more interceptions in training camp practices than he would prefer because, he said, his arm does not feel strong. But, he said, that’s normal for him this time of year.
The quarterback said it usually takes him the first week of training camp before his right arm is where it should be.
“It’s frustrating at times, I think I have a pick every day in practice because my arm is not where I want it to be yet,” said Roethlisberger. “Trying to make the throws I can make later in the year that I try to do now, my arm is not ready for it.”
Roethlisberger threw one deep pass to Santonio Holmes today that fluttered incomplete.
“We misconnected on a couple of deep balls today but it didn’t look like it had anything to do with arm strength,” said coach Mike Tomlin.
Tomlin said “that’s a safe assumption” that it normally takes Roethlisberger a week to get his arm to mid-season form. The quarterback said he moves at a slower pace now to preserve his arm late in the season.
“I don’t throw a lot before I come into this for that reason, I don’t want to get worn down late in the year,” Roethlisberger said. “It just takes a couple of days to get into it. I hope by Wednesday I’ll be getting better and by the weekend I’ll be in pretty good form.”
August 4th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Look I am the fukin authority on the wideouts since I was correct last year. Chaz and JLH are by far the best WRs. Anyone saying our best playmaker is a 4th stringer is a dumbass
August 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am
preisttj Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
SnB, why do you cntinue t say you hope Mr Davis will let his coaches coach?
Also, DHB’s drops sre just par for the course.
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Because Rob Ryan lasted 6 yrs here. A guy that couldn’t coach the fundamentals to a point that the Raiders literally had to start over. Why was he there that long? My ASSUMPTION is Mr. Davis liked WORKING with him….The defense has looked the same for years and I just hope it has a different look and feel come week 1. We know the Davis defensive philosophy…will he let Marshall put a wrinkle on it. Gotta see it to believe it…sorry
As for DHB…he’s got a few weeks to figure it out. But he should not start if he hasn’t figured out the hands thing. Especially with Schilens, JLH and Walker (hopefully) making plays and Murphy and Miller doing all that is asked of them.
Still to early though
August 4th, 2009 at 10:02 am
[...] Of course, for all the facts visit Jerry McDonald’s Inside the Oakland Raiders blog here. [...]
August 4th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Hey if this Nick Miller kid is the next Wes Welker, we might have to make room… Peace Watkins, we need a spot for this undiscovered talent.
Jerry, let us know if he returns kicks. RR maybe this is the guy I’ve been talking about. The guy to take JLH job so he can move into more of a WR role…
9-7!
YOU KNOW…. DRINK IT!
And…. I told you so about Ellis. Just as good a pass rusher but was better againsy the run. He’ll never come off the field watch…
August 4th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Let’s Go Disco. Legalize It!!
—
O, I vote no on disco!!!
Did you like the music I sent?
August 4th, 2009 at 10:04 am
JLH and Chaz made damn near all our big plays last year at WR. They compliment each other well and make the offense closer to explosive. AZraider is wrong as hell. Walker aint schit
August 4th, 2009 at 10:06 am
preisttj Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 9:56 am
SnB, nothing personal man but it’s impossible to have a top 10 talent at every position. That’s insane no team in the history of sports has been able to achieve that.
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I agree…at least in the long-term due to cap. My point is that the Raiders should be putting players on the field that have the best potential to be good in the short run and great in the long run.
DMAC/Bush fit the bill. Fargas will always be a nice running back that is tough, leadership and all that good stuff…which is good….but he will never be the guy that you game plan against…DMAC/Bush could be those guys…at least at 22/23 that question hasn’t been answered. Fargas at 29…we know everything we need too with him. Strengths and weaknesses
Henderson. Again, showed some real promise in the games he played. Held his own against some elite pass rushers. Potential is there. Barnes? Coming in after a Kwame Harris like season….
Schilens/JLH – Lower round picks that showed some promise. How do you know what you have until you give them a shot. If they outperform the rest of the receivers in camp…given their relative youth…they should be on the field.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:06 am
nick miller is PS this year. He aint making it over Watkins
August 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Do you know the difference between a Nigggger and a Mud tire? Mud tires don’t sing when you put chain’s on them! Who said that?
August 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Point blank, dmac/bush bring more to the table just like jlh and chaz do for the offense. Straying away from this will result in losses
August 4th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Dub Side of The Moon is in the car, that’s all I listen to the last few days.
Thank you so much, I like it a lot.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:10 am
vegas raider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Hey O, you see that the White House on Monday announced that they are changing the “language” on the website for cash for clunkers, that I was so up in arms about on Sat. See I wasn’t so crazy!!!!! lol Now where’s BSJ, he owes me an apology.
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Bullsh!t
August 4th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Do you know who dumber than a racist????? Nobody..lol
August 4th, 2009 at 10:13 am
TW,
Let’s go Disco is a line from the same movie that has ” smell it, smell it, now take it!”
August 4th, 2009 at 10:13 am
It’s too hard to post comments now with that crazy slow down page.
Adios!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Dang TJ, my friend, Im just saying that I talked to Pat Conner, youre good to call gary if you care to,..no longer banned.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Nick Miller was brought in to be a return specialist and give jlh a chance to become a full time WR… if he continues to lite it up he could merit more consideration as a wr and push one of the other guys off the roster.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Point blank, dmac/bush bring more to the table just like jlh and chaz do for the offense. Straying away from this will result in losses
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Agreed
August 4th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Do you guys like winning? Im starting to believe many dont
August 4th, 2009 at 10:16 am
When Marshall was hired he knew Mr Davis’s phylosophy.
Everyone does. They still run their own defense. Ryan as well.
So will Marshall
DHB is a rookie, who said he should start?
August 4th, 2009 at 10:16 am
With DHB and the media; drops are going to be accentuated and success will be down played. I already see it. Good luck fending off the buzzarts kid.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am
SnB, we all know youre on board for seeing the best play. Its sad others dont. Just like the puzzies who favored that punk Jake Grove
August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
No no no! Higgins is not one of our best recievers, he is explosive, but he is very lanky and runs up right I his route running is something of concern. Once he becomes a good route runner like Chaz is turning out to be, then he will be a good reciever. Don’t down play like he aint sht he will redeem himself and is a complete WR route running catching and all! He has proven himself and hopefully he can put all of us doubters at ease
August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Yo brien,..wattup bro…look bud, these “fans” in here dont care about winning, youre right…all they care about is living with there moms and blogging while naked, while you are I are tailgating and actually at the games.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Brien, Nick Miller has a real shot at making the 53. If we are taking 6 WRs, my choice would be Schilens, Walker, Murphy, DHB, JLH and Miller. Miller can cover JLH in the playbook and as KR.
Miller has three advantages over Watkins – he’s quicker, he catches (almost) everything and Cable has noticed him. Is Watkins in Napa? He seems to be wearing a cloak of invisibility.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:19 am
preisttj Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:16 am
When Marshall was hired he knew Mr Davis’s phylosophy.
Everyone does. They still run their own defense. Ryan as well.
So will Marshall
DHB is a rookie, who said he should start?
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I hope you are right. The only thing that throws a wrench in what you are saying is that Rob Ryan was a 3/4 defensive guy…not a 4/3…then he switches to 43 and is able to hang on through 4 head coaches and 30 something run defenses. So, I am not saying that Davis is or isn’t. I’ll just wait and see.
As for DHB..he’s a rookie struggling with his hands. I hope they don’t feel obligated to rush the kid out there if he’s not ready.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Expecatations of Schilens are way too high here. You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment. His only in his 2nd year. Give it time. Walker is still the best when healthy until further notice.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:21 am
DHB shouldnt start yet. He isnt better than JLH or Chaz….Dmac and Bush are better than Farglass so they better be ahead of him or its 3.5 a carry in 2009
August 4th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Bush should be the work horse and dmac the change of pace runner, catch balls out of the backfield, wildcat, wideout, etc.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Scottish,
I agree:
1-Chaz
2-Walker
3-DHB
4-JLH
5-Murphy
If we carry 6 WRs then:
6-N Miller
August 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am
When has walker been healthy? And yes JLH is better than the other guys. Chaz is a possession guy and JLH makes big plays. They compliment each other
August 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am
249, do you go to the games?
August 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
JLH and Chaz made damn near all our big plays last year at WR. They compliment each other well and make the offense closer to explosive. AZraider is wrong as hell. Walker aint schit
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Hey Brein, can I borrow your crystal ball, Mr. As a Matter of fact?
C’mon, bro get off your high-horse, it’s all speculation at this point in the season.. Oh, yeah that hasnt started yet… Camp, at this point in camp.
The only reason Brein says that about Nick Miller is because of what i said. He’s still mad at me LOl..
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
You can say you heard it from AZ first!
DRINK IT!
Oh, and if Walker flops again this year, I’ll man-up and take my wacks, but don’t expect it to be fun cause I’ll be talking sh*t with the rest of you. I’m just pulling for the guy.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The expectation I have is validated for Chaz and JLH. Go pull up archives. You guys arent watching the games
August 4th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Chaz makes a leaping sideline catch over Horton & Mitchell
-jerry
August 4th, 2009 at 10:26 am
lwd8ball, if Huff did a 360 he’d end up right where he started, crappy. What he needs to do is do a 180 soon or it’s bust city baby.
I remember a play when he and Wilson were BOTH guarding the same spot in the endzone and the dude caught a TD near the middle of the endzone. Wilson looked at Huff like he was dumber than a box of rocks cuz his dumbarse was in the wrong spot. The dude doesn’t have a F’n clue when he’s out in space, period!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Yo brien,..wattup bro…look bud, these “fans” in here dont care about winning, youre right…all they care about is living with there moms and blogging while naked, while you are I are tailgating and actually at the games.
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LOL – I go to the games, own my own house, and blog clothed.
I know I’m in the minority though.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:27 am
AZ,
I don’t like your attitude!!
lol
August 4th, 2009 at 10:28 am
When you burn this type of purple you can be as HIGH as you want to be
August 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Brien, if Yvonne is sound in mind and body he is still the best WR we have. Chaz is a high-potential possession receiver. Murphy is an excellent prospect – well schooled, mature and a 4th rounb bargain. DHB is a project and we won’t see the best of him till 2011. JLH is a top classPR and a good situational WR. I don’t think JLH can develop into the Wes Welker go-to type but Miller just might.
Watkins, Holland, Franklin and Samie are just not talented enough or distinctive enough to make an impression.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Mitchell POPs Brandon M as ball arrived for an incomplete pass
-D white
That’s what I’m talking about!!!!!!!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am
When has walker been healthy? And yes JLH is better than the other guys. Chaz is a possession guy and JLH makes big plays. They compliment each other
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Can you explain “Chaz is a possession guy” to me? Isn’t all WR suppoed to catch the ball? Chaz with SUB 4.4 speed should be able to do more than say Timmy Brown, late in his career. When you cant seperate (burst with speed) your best bet is to catch the ball, secure it, then get down, ala 81.
If you have burst, SUB 4.4 speed with young legs, get the d@m ball and run like hel!. Strike fear into the secondary.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Not taking sides, but its debatable how soon DHB should start. If he makes the entire offense function *even if its just clearing out defenders* for ZM or whomever’s underneath then he should be in the game as much as possible. If JLH, Chaz, Walker, Murphy or whomever don’t posses the prerequisite speed to accomplish what they drafted DHB for then they should obviously put DHB out there.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Well dont possession WR usually make big targets for the qb? You think that big fuker isnt going to be Russell go to guy on 3rd down? Wait wait. Did anyone remember who Russell had the best chem with in last year camp? Drew Carter? Same build as Chaz
August 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
The other thing that Miller is doing well is getting some press attention. That makes it very risky for the Raiders to keep him on the PS – other teams will go shopping for PS gems.
Likewise, it is going to be hard to put Louis Rankin on the PS for another season. Use him or lose him. It would be interesting to know how Rankin is comparing to Fargas.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Nation,
Read 281!!!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I like it when you talk dirty to me “O”!
JK!
LEGALIZE IT!
9-7!
RAIDER ON!
PLAYOFF BOUND!
THE WHOLE 9!
DRINK IT!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Man fuk wes welker. You knucklehead, welker doesnt have the speed or elusiveness of JLH. Welker isnt going to run 30 yards after the catch. Try again
August 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Your number 1 is a damn stud. I saw it in Chaz during August of 2008. He is long and quick out of his breaks. Watch when he runs an out pattern. He moves up the field
August 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Well dont possession WR usually make big targets for the qb? You think that big fuker isnt going to be Russell go to guy on 3rd down? Wait wait. Did anyone remember who Russell had the best chem with in last year camp? Drew Carter? Same build as Chaz
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I agree, he looks like a nice, big, fast, quick, reliable target. But why linit him to “possession” he can stretch the field with the rest of them. ALL of out WR’s are VERY fast by NFL standards. Most are 4.4 or faster.
Our BEST “reciver” is Z. Miller, not “fast” at all.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Raider O Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Mitchell POPs Brandon M as ball arrived for an incomplete pass
-D white
That’s what I’m talking about!!!!!!!!!
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Brandon who?
August 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Walker is garbage. You better off seeing the 2006 Terdell than you are the 2006 javon. You guys think the javon of 04 in gb is coming? lol
August 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Well dont possession WR usually make big targets for the qb? You think that big fuker isnt going to be Russell go to guy on 3rd down? Wait wait. Did anyone remember who Russell had the best chem with in last year camp? Drew Carter? Same build as Chaz
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That is a good point! Nice post Brein. Everyone forgets that about Carter. Chaz is the MAN, …i mean Darren McFadden is the man, but Chaz is hard as f*ck!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
MYers. Never mind. Thought maybe Marshall.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
August 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Raider O Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Mitchell POPs Brandon M as ball arrived for an incomplete pass
-D white
That’s what I’m talking about!!!!!!!!!
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Brandon who?
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Hopefully he has a crystal ball too and its, Broandon Marshall on Sept. 27th!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:47 am
*Brandon Marshall
August 4th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Walker is garbage. You better off seeing the 2006 Terdell than you are the 2006 javon. You guys think the javon of 04 in gb is coming? lol
You better off seeing the 2006 Terdell than you are the 2006 javon.
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More likely to see.
I got yer back Brien.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am
AZ,
LMAO
August 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I think Mitchell put the hit on Gary Russel. Twice. he made a diving pass break up also.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am
THIS IS THE SLOWEST WEBSITE ON THE NET!!!
How’s that for a pertinent comment. I’m outta here. Can’t take the slooooowwww mooooo.
And this “posting too fast” thing is just plain counterproductive.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am
First loud hot of day: Mike Mitchell puts a thud on Gary Russell, who packs his own punch.
11 minutes ago from mobile web
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Mitchell then makes diving breakup on Todd Watkins. Looks very good right now.
9 minutes ago from mobile web
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My boy “Mad Mike”, is gettin loose!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Nick Miller was brought in to be a return specialist and give jlh a chance to become a full time WR
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Nick Miller was brought in to be a camp body. nothing more
If Cable decides to keep 6 WR’s on the roster, Miller will have to fend off Bayes, Holland, Watkins, Parker & Franklin …
August 4th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Brien use your Brain.
2007: Wes Welker had 112 receptions for 1175 yards.
2008: Wes Welker had 111 receptions for 1165 yards.
There isn’t a team in the NFL that wouldn’t kill to have a WR who can help the QB to that extent. And he is so consistent – he averages 7 yards a reception and has one of the highest 3rd down completion stats in the NFL.
JLH is a better punt returner but Welker is a huge part of the Pats offense.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Nick Miller was brought in to be a return specialist and give jlh a chance to become a full time WR
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Nick Miller was brought in to be a camp body. nothing more
If Cable decides to keep 6 WR’s on the roster, Miller will have to fend off Bayes, Holland, Watkins, Parker & Franklin …
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If he keeps this up, he will…
August 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Russell plays better with big WR like Chaz. Athletic freaks. JLH is a perfect compliment to him. The offense would be more capable
August 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Scottish pull your kilt down and drop the whiskey. Welker playing in pass happy offense and isnt dangerous in the open field like JLH. He is a damn good wr though for underneath routes
August 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
LT Khalif Barnes goes down when defender rolled into his left knee. Being tended to, looks bad at first blush.
- David White
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hey Mario, pay the man!
August 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
If Cable decides to keep 6 WR’s on the roster, Miller will have to fend off Bayes, Holland, Watkins, Parker & Franklin …
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Rockstar…that does not seem to be that big a hurdle to jump. Read those names back to yourself again
August 4th, 2009 at 11:00 am
David White says DHB is a good route runner …
August 4th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Watkins will make it over miller. Just watch the preseason games and you will see
August 4th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Wes Wlker lead the entire league in receptions last year.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am
David White writes better than Jerry I hope you know that
August 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Russell plays better with big WR like Chaz. Athletic freaks. JLH is a perfect compliment to him. The offense would be more capable
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I hear you Brien. Amazing…that’s what other successfull offenses do. Anyone remember what Plaxico Burress did for Eli Manning? Worked well for Cutler with Marshall as the big man and Eddie Royal cleaning up.
I hope the Raiders decide to put actual talent on the field and not a bunch of mediocre, past their prime cheerleading guys
August 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Barnes get up! We need you at RT
August 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I cannot wate to see Jay Richards play at MLB full time!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am
why the obsession with Nick Miller?
the kid made 2 catches in training camp and now he’s good enough to stick? shoot, I should try out for the Raiders then!
big difference between 5′9 and 6′1 or 6′2 for a receiver …
Watkins & Holland have an edge imo. They were impressive during camp & OTA’s as well, both this year and last year. they should know the offense and have better chemistry with Russell. better size to go with thier “Raider speed”
August 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Nik Miller has the skills to pay the bills my friend. Now if Al Davis would just let someone else make some decisions the Raiders would win!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Barnes get up! We need you at RT
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No sheeeii… If he thinks it’s going to be an uncomfortable transition, we better get him over to RT fast cause Mario ain’t goin nowhere… He’s a lock at LT IMO.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Losing Kwame Harris part II, I mean Barnes, is no big deal since he sucks as a LT and he doesn’t want to play RT anyhow, so no big deal….oh wait, we didn’t draft a tackle did we…damn…thank god for mop handle!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:08 am
besides, I’m not convinced we’re keeping 6 WR’s on the roster …
we might keep 3 TE’s instead.
WR: Heyward-Bey, Walker, Higgins, Schilens, Murphy
TE: Miller, Stewart, Myers
August 4th, 2009 at 11:09 am
SNB Defense Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
If Cable decides to keep 6 WR’s on the roster, Miller will have to fend off Bayes, Holland, Watkins, Parker & Franklin …
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Rockstar…that does not seem to be that big a hurdle to jump. Read those names back to yourself again
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Exactly what I was thinking. If Cable decides to keep 6, it will be because of Miller. Not the competition.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Mario a lock? Called that one too. I also said F burgess last year and I got called an idiot. Not so much now
August 4th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Nope, wrong again fake Rockstar! The Raiders may even keep up to 8 wr’s! This makes perfect sense, to the savvey fotball mind. Which is why you don’t get it!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
The Holland/Watkins study might be coming to a close. Miller can return kickoffs…hell, they even gave the kid some reps at running back.
Watkins could barely get on the field last yr, Holland is hanging on.
If Miller beats them out….good for him…if he can return kicks and take a snap at RB…all the better.
Anything we can get from a 6th receiver would be gravy anyway.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Watkins better than miller. PS time
August 4th, 2009 at 11:14 am
what is this? a p1ssing contest?
who cares about predictions?
you guys act like little kids of something.
“not only will Nick Miller make the 53 man roster, but he’ll be the next Wes Welker!”
are you kidding me? can’t say i’ve read a dumber comment or prediction all week
August 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I plan to boo everytime Farglass gets a carry against SD. I wish one of you muthaphuckas would say something to me. Talented rbs beat that def. He aint talented
August 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Watkins better than miller. PS time
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He might be the better receiver. Camp will sort that all out. Also, Miller’s versatility may be the difference.
Ultimately, who cares…the 6th receiver is usaully inactive on game day anyway
August 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
RRS is this not a kid game?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
8 WRs!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????
August 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
S&B: Holland is the next Marques Colston.
you want to cut him and keep Tim Dwight (N Miller)?
LOL
Louis Rankin can return kicks too. does that mean we’re keeping a 4th RB or that he’s replacing Fargas?
and why are we looking for a KR or PR? who says we are?
Justin Miller & JLH did outstanding last season
August 4th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Why do you people want to be other teams? Fuk welker and anyone like him
August 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
LE Jay Richardson ruins hurry-up drill with a red zone sack.
-David White
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does that make him a starter?
does it secure him a roster spot?
does it make him Michael Strahan II ?
NO!! it’s training camp for crying out loud. I’d be upset if the nobodies we brought in weren’t motivated and didn’t make plays to fight for a job in the NFL …
August 4th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Farglass needs to be replaced dammit. Wow he can pass block. What else can he do. Rankin for 3rd rb
August 4th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Raider O, disco brings back bad memories, that was all that they played in bars when I turned 21!! Glad you like the tunes.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I’ve never liked Jay Richardson that much. He’s okay as a backup base end I guess.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Mitchell popped Brandon Meyers too.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
*Myers
August 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
TW,
Watch HBOW now if you can.
I can’t believe what I’m watching!!!!!!!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Rockstar,
Final roster recommendations are due AFTER camp has completed.
All I am saying is that if a guy gets the job done in training camp, he should get an opportunity. Of course body of work in real games should count some too.
Just like your boy Michael Huff. If he outperforms the other safeties…he should start…simple as that
August 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am
RaiderTW bout to bust the Travolta moves lol
August 4th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Nick Miller = Carlos Francis II?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:33 am
All I am saying is that if a guy gets the job done in training camp, he should get an opportunity. Of course body of work in real games should count some too.
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what if Jerome Boyd outplays Mike Mitchell & Tyvon Branch at SS?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Arman Shields = Carlos Francis
August 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Mitchell is eventually gonna start if he keeps ringading ding donging folks. Branch should be a FS and Mike the SS
August 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am
It sounds like Mitchell and Branch can be a real force as the starting safeties. They seem to be in on every pass play.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Poor Gary Russell…everytime he gets the ball, Mitchell is there to meet and greet haha.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Why all the fury over a UFA receiver from Southern Utah that just happens to be making some plays in trainnig camp.
We are not talking about the starter. As for Watkins, Holland and the rest…who really cares
Perhaps Drisan James should be called back as well
August 4th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Huff has had enough time to develop and it hasn’t happened time to move on. Play the next generation of safeties until Al drafts 2 more next year.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:37 am
We haven’t heard much about JLH or Schilens or McFadden.
You have to wonder if Morrison is being squeezed out. Maybe Marshall likes having the bigger, stronger presence in the middle which is something I can agree with.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:33 am
All I am saying is that if a guy gets the job done in training camp, he should get an opportunity. Of course body of work in real games should count some too.
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what if Jerome Boyd outplays Mike Mitchell & Tyvon Branch at SS?
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Then Jerome Boyd should get the start. If a player can’t perform in training camp…what makes anyone think they are just going to turn it on on the field.
The only time I would make an exception is if I am dealing with a player that has a solid body of work in real games
August 4th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Why all the fury over a UFA receiver from Southern Utah that just happens to be making some plays in trainnig camp
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exactly! Nick Miller is a scrub. he’s not going to make the 53 man roster … why are people hyping this clown? because he made 2 catches in camp?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am
If a player can’t perform in training camp…what makes anyone think they are just going to turn it on on the field.
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Mario Henderson couldn’t perform in training camp and he turned it on during real games that mattered. right?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
TW,
Watch HBOW now if you can.
I can’t believe what I’m watching!!!!!!!
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I’m at work, what’s on? Death Race AGAIN???
August 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
RRS is this not a kid game?
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No, Bri– This is, and always has been, a man’s game…invented by men, and played by men.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
who cares about predictions?
you guys act like little kids of something.
“not only will Nick Miller make the 53 man roster, but he’ll be the next Wes Welker!”
are you kidding me? can’t say i’ve read a dumber comment or prediction all week
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RRS — ??? Just what is it you’re trying to say here?
First you criticize people making critiques of predictions, then you make a critique of somebody else’s prediction.
That post should have a HYPOCRITE ALERT attached to it.
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Khalif Barnes goes down just before lunch! Playing Left Tackle even!! Get up Barnes. Get up and stay up, and fight for a job…this line can’t afford to lose anybody (else).
No more injuries!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
forget Drisan James.
what about Kevin McMahon, Ryan Hoag, Will Buchanon and Doug Gabriel?
Mike Williams, Tim Dwight, Johnnie Morant and Alvis Whitted are available too!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am
exactly! Nick Miller is a scrub. he’s not going to make the 53 man roster … why are people hyping this clown? because he made 2 catches in camp?
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Same reason why this team hyped up Tommy Kelly, Ricky Brown, Hiram Eugene, Chaz Schilens, Terdell Sands, Chris Johnson and the other 7th round or UFAs that have made their way to the starting lineup
August 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Nick Miller looks like alot of players in practice and pre-season and as soon as teams start gameplanning for games, those Nick Miller’s get shut out because thats what professionals do.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Nick Miller is a scrub. he’s not going to make the 53 man roster … why are people hyping this clown? because he made 2 catches in camp?
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Right, Jerry’s probably laughing his ass off over us!lol
August 4th, 2009 at 11:43 am
S Mike Mitchell getting noticed for good reasons today. Nice…
August 4th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Thats what I am talkin about MIKE MITCHELL Laying down the LAW……. cant wait for him and LT meeting…..
August 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Don’t underestimate these low round/UFAs for the Raiders.
They have staffed their D-Line with these guys….the MLB competition is full of UFA sans Morrison…
Let training camp sort it out.
When I see Todd Watkins and Johnnie Holland I have to ask…how could you guys not get on the field the last couple of years
August 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Was chicago right about MIKE MITCHELL?
If so then why give the NATION such heat for
taking a so caled “reach”………
mediots know zilch……..
August 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am
HD37: that would be terrible if we lost Barnes, wouldn’t it?
Jax gave up on a real player… our o-line will never recover from this tragedy
I can’t believe you went through every post of mine to try and call me a hypocrite. I must have ruffled your feathers, huh? either that or I offended one of your boyfriends. it wasn’t even your argument.
Why don’t you post some cool facts about Al Davis from 30 years ago? those are always fun to read. this blog couldn’t have a bigger loser than you. speak when spoken to
August 4th, 2009 at 11:48 am
TW,
Watch Prom Night in Mississippi.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Mitchell looks great, Miller looks great. Regardless, these guys would need to show up in games in order to prove they’re for real. I think Mitchell has an upper hand because he has less competition.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
GD49, then explain to me why the players say its a kids game. As usual your softness is evident. Go get your quiche out the oven you wimp
August 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am
If a player can’t perform in training camp…what makes anyone think they are just going to turn it on on the field.
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Mario Henderson couldn’t perform in training camp and he turned it on during real games that mattered. right?
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Right. But he didn’t get the chance until injury. That’s the way it goes. Either win the job in camp…or hope a starter goes down to poor performance or injury
August 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
MITCHELL is the gem of the draft, f the experts and mediots.
Chitown knew what was up thats why they wanted him.
1 NATION
August 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Arman Shields = Johnnie Morant
August 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
MITCHELL cracking heads thats whats up…..
August 4th, 2009 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
S&B: Holland is the next Marques Colston.
you want to cut him and keep Tim Dwight (N Miller)?
LOL
Louis Rankin can return kicks too. does that mean we’re keeping a 4th RB or that he’s replacing Fargas?
and why are we looking for a KR or PR? who says we are?
Justin Miller & JLH did outstanding last season
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Don’t want to beat a dead horse, but we’d need a PR guy to take JLH place if we were going to give him a WR spot as his primary position.
As for this kid Miller, so far he’s gotten more attention than JLH or Watkins combined with his 2 catches for about 110 yards LOL… In double coverage on one if I remember right.
No one is saying because he caught 2 nice grabs he’s gonna make the team, just that he has been impressive 2 days in a row, and that has to amount for something, otherwise, why even have camp?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Raider O, you mean the narrow minded bigoted high school kids in Mississippi?? Saw part of it until it disgusted me. Wonder how many will grow up Repub?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am
The reason we hear so much about the guys we’ve never seen before is…because until camp started, we’ve never seen them before.
New guys light it up all the time, especially in practice, and it doesn’t mean a thing right now…except, when the understudies light it up, it sets quite a precedent for the incumbents to play up to.
But, even if he’s just camp competition, with nary a chance to make the team, Nick Miller is far from a scrub.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Miller to PS. Get over it. Watkins is the best out of that bunch.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
That’s the way it goes. Either win the job in camp…or hope a starter goes down to poor performance or injury
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I guess we’re all thankful that Justin Fargas is injury prone then, huh?
DMC & Bush aren’t even in the same league as far as blocking goes … yikes!
I’d hate to have Fargas in on all passing downs
August 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
…by the way Holland looked like 165 lbs and lost during the Texas game as Fargas ran right over him for being in the wrong spot. That play by Holland cost us a first down and we had to settle for 3 points.
Thanks Holland!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am
This is a 5-11 team. Not an 11-5 or 12-4 team full of veterans that got the job done on the field.
This is a team with gaps/holes all over the place. There should be intense competition all over the field…and let the best man win. The guys that catches the ball, makes the block, doesn’t jump offsides, makes the cut…whatever.
Raiders fans and ownership cling to certain players that never really amount to much. Ricky Brown getting reps at MLB. Good! Tired of this run defense.
My only question is why Kelly/Warren/Sands are the only players besides Aso and ST guys to not get any meaningful competition?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Why all the fury over a UFA receiver from Southern Utah that just happens to be making some plays in trainnig camp
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exactly! Nick Miller is a scrub. he’s not going to make the 53 man roster … why are people hyping this clown? because he made 2 catches in camp?
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Dam you are dum fake Rockstar. You need to scrub…these nuts! You remind me of that looser Brien who rocks dreads! Tard Boy!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Watkins is alright though… But with all the WR’s showing some talent it’s gonna be a battle! I love it! May the best player win!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
i’m warming up to Nick Miller.
he would be an asset to our practice squad.
I agree with Brien … still not sold on keeping a 6th WR though
TE Tony Stewart is our NFLPA rep and a ST standout. he should get the extra roster spot imo
August 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Its going to be hard for this team to hold onto any receivers after Walker, DHB, JLH, Murphy and Schilens. One of those younger receivers may end up on the practice squad and thats about it. I wouldn’t get hung over them. We need help at so many other positions and these guys have to contribute on special teams in order to stay for sure.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
LOL @ KK …
what happened to the real (racist) Kell?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
GD49… as usual your softness is evident.
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Yeah, zip up. You’re distracting the General.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Wow you are late Fake Kell. I cut the locks in December. Try try try and try again
August 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
RRS — Stop contradicting yourself in your own post(s), and I’ll stop asking for clarification.
As far as Khalif goes…yes, it definitely hurts the team. Even if he’s “just” a backup, losing him wouldn’t be good. We don’t even know what he’ll be like at RT, but he’s a bust?
That’s what (a lot of) folks were saying about Gallery, before he became one of the NFL’s better Guards…against his will.
And no, RRS — I didn’t have to go looking for your contradiction a few minutes ago…it was just a few minutes ago. I was just pointing out that you were criticizing others for criticizing others…and then you criticized others. Just sayin…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
The Southwick posting dude is hilarious
August 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
24 it is gonna be easier if Walker gets the blade. I dont want him in Oakland. He isnt the future
August 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
AZ Raider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am
First loud hot of day: Mike Mitchell puts a thud on Gary Russell, who packs his own punch.
11 minutes ago from mobile web
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Mitchell then makes diving breakup on Todd Watkins. Looks very good right now.
9 minutes ago from mobile web
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My boy “Mad Mike”, is gettin loose!
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“your” boy? Do you know Mike Mitchell AZ?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
TW,
It’s 2009!!!!
Put all the Talking Monkes in a Zoo.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
KoolKell Says:
Nik Miller has the skills to pay the bills my friend. Now if Al Davis would just let someone else make some decisions the Raiders would win!
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Ummm, KK — Who made the decision to bring Miller into camp? Would that be one Al Davis?
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
August 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
There are plenty of ways to free up roster spots for players with potential.
I’m not anointing anyone so calm down, this is hypathetical:
Say wants to find a way to keep Miller on the roster but his WR depth chart looks like this.
1. Schilens
2. Walker
3. DHB
4. Murphy
5. JLH
6. Watkins
…and the RB depth chart is this.
1. DMAC
2. Bush
3. Fargas
4. Rankin
He can send Rankin to the practice squad, so long as we plan on keeping fargas as a part of our future and use Miller as the 4th string RB and special teams guy. Just saying, there are roster spots all over the place, and if you got a guy that is really gonna help you, you find a way to fit him in.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
The last WR roster spot will more than likely come down to Watkins or Holland, with maybe Nick Miller having a chance (barring injuries of course). Holland is also much more of a ST contributor than those two, so he should have the inside track, I would believe.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
HD37: obviously nobody else cared … if they did, surely they would have spoken up. not sure why it’s such a big deal to you
unless we’re great friends and planning to hit up Popeye’s Chicken tomorrow, whether or not I contradict myself in a post has nothing to do with football. why bring it up? bored?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Dirty Raccoon Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
AZ Raider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am
First loud hot of day: Mike Mitchell puts a thud on Gary Russell, who packs his own punch.
11 minutes ago from mobile web
……………………………………………….
Mitchell then makes diving breakup on Todd Watkins. Looks very good right now.
9 minutes ago from mobile web
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My boy “Mad Mike”, is gettin loose!
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“your” boy? Do you know Mike Mitchell AZ?
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Na, I don’t know him. Do you? Are you being a smart arse Dirty? What’s up wit this place today? Do you really want to start up with me? I’m telling you, you don’t want to be on the wrong side of AZ in here, I can make people look real stupid if I want to…
9-7!
YOU KNOW!
DRINK UP!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
TW,
It’s 2009!!!!
Put all the Talking Monkes in a Zoo.
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And then go Zoo Keeper on their ass!!lol
August 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Now if Al Davis was black…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Watkins and Holland are fighting for a job just like Miller. Who gets to stay will mostly dependent on how they perform in camp.
There are no “have to haves” in that list.
Watkins and Holland could barely get on the field
Miller is a UFA from Southern Utah
There is no protection for these guys…just like Franz Joseph, Stryker Sulak and Drisan James
August 4th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Naw. Farglass needs to be sliced. Rankin the 3rd rb
August 4th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
You are now entering the South. Turn your clocks back to 1945.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
AZ, not being a smart arse. Just a question. I do not know him.
I know all the wako’s are running all over this place, but take it easy.
Ok ok, a little smart aZZ.
Anyway MM is HARD!!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Im out yall. The effeminate males like MR and GD49 will be accepted in the Raider world….just win!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Brein,
I’m on the “cut fargas” bandwagon, beleive me… I hate to say it because I really like the guy, and he’s a monster pass blocker! But, out with the old and in with the new.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Haha yea rite! We aint the niners! Those pansies never will be Raiders! Outro
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
RRS — So it’s only OK for YOUR opinion, and nobody else can have one? What happens when your opinion contradicts itself in the same paragraph? We’re just supposed to act like we understand it? Your right wing is showing.
And, Popeye’s is awesome. Thanks for the invite.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
HD37: obviously nobody else cared … if they did, surely they would have spoken up. not sure why it’s such a big deal to you
unless we’re great friends and planning to hit up Popeye’s Chicken tomorrow, whether or not I contradict myself in a post has nothing to do with football. why bring it up? bored?
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HD37, stick to the lucid posters lol
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
As far as Khalif goes…yes, it definitely hurts the team. Even if he’s “just” a backup, losing him wouldn’t be good. We don’t even know what he’ll be like at RT, but he’s a bust?
That’s what (a lot of) folks were saying about Gallery, before he became one of the NFL’s better Guards…against his will.
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HD37: who said Gallery refused to play guard? he’s played good soldier ever since he got here. Seems like the man has taken 3 paycuts since signing his rookie contract. was the best OL in his draft class
Barnes openly balked at playing RT. He hasn’t done so since college. He’s a bust at LT. He played like Kwame Harris last year and nobody wanted him in FA. not to mention his wrap sheet off the field.
big difference between Barnes & Gallery!
what makes you convinced Barnes at RT would be better than Green, Pears, McQuistan, Marten or even Wilson?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Fargas should be named the starter if he proves to be a more explosive runner, breaks tackles, catches the best out of the backfield, blocking and offers the most versatility (change direction, wildcat etc…)
If he is not those things…he has no business starting or even being a #2
August 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Gotta get lunch and a quick nap. A little red beans n’ rice and spicy chicken sounds perfect!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
TW,
LMAO @ 397!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Im new but here we go…
With regards to the running backs, Fargas isn’t going to start I don’t think but he is good 3rd down back, He has already proved he is the best block support, and he is still a workhouse if they do plan on running on 3 rather than throwing.
DHB is going to be good for us, but it is going to take time, just imagin if he drops a sure thing all the bashers come out, the other young receivers deserve their chances first IMO but the deep threat might trump that.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I’m not buying the Walker hype at all. I mean this guy is such a tool, what did he say about the surgery, he didn’t even know where the location was? I mean, what planet is this dude from? Meanwhile, he’s fresh off his Tijuana surgery, on his twice surgically repaired knee, running and cutting like he is 25 years old on the practice field. He it totally going to have a Ronald Curry moment, and take off running, than just fall to the ground like he got shot, and that will be that my friends.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Canadian,
Good 3rd down back? Tell me what is a good 3rd down back is ?
3rd down can be 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 12. Either you belong on the field or you dont.
pls explain
August 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I hope Walker comes back to form. You can tell that he wants to play again (taking the pay cut), although he may not have signed anywhere else and knew that. But we have to give him a chance we invested enough money on him.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
From what I’m hearing I like Miller over Watkins and Holland. Miller sounds like one of those little guys who uses great quickness to get separation on slants, outs, comebacks, etc. and keep the chains moving on 3rd down. What do Watkins and Holland bring that’s different/better than Schilens, DHB, Walker and Murphy? Nothing against Watkins and Holland, I just think Miller can be our Chrebet, Welker, Troy Brown, Az Hakim, young Stokely, etc. Or who knows, maybe even better than a lot of those guys. Watkins and Holland are probably just lesser copies of the top 4 or 5 guys.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Haha yea rite! We aint the niners! Those pansies never will be Raiders! Outro
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Dumb comment. Even considering the source. (No, not referring to the fact it makes no sense..I assume you meant they never will be “like” the Raiders)
Why would the Niners, or any team, want to do anything like the Raiders, or put themselves in that position of ridicule and scorn?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
The Chargers practice food sucks apparently. Good, they should feed it to them in a bowl, like the
b!tches they are.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
It’s all good Dirty, I don’t know why I’m so defensive today. Maybe its all the DHB bashing, the crystal ball rosters, “srub” bashing, and over analysis in general.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Gotta get lunch and a quick nap.
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LOL. perfect timing. leave right after I proved you wrong … moron
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
From what I’m hearing I like Miller over Watkins and Holland. Miller sounds like one of those little guys who uses great quickness to get separation on slants, outs, comebacks, etc. and keep the chains moving on 3rd down. What do Watkins and Holland bring that’s different/better than Schilens, DHB, Walker and Murphy? Nothing against Watkins and Holland, I just think Miller can be our Chrebet, Welker, Troy Brown, Az Hakim, young Stokely, etc. Or who knows, maybe even better than a lot of those guys. Watkins and Holland are probably just lesser copies of the top 4 or 5 guys.
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That’s what I am thinking. Maybe he brings something a little different than Watkins and Holland.
Camp will sort it out
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Canada,
He didn’t willingly take a paycut, that was the best way for him to get the most money, otherwise he would have been some sort of cut or buyout. He’s excited now because he has the next paycheck to work for again, if he has a good year guess what, he will want to restructure upwards next year.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
As far as Khalif goes…yes, it definitely hurts the team. Even if he’s “just” a backup, losing him wouldn’t be good. We don’t even know what he’ll be like at RT, but he’s a bust?
That’s what (a lot of) folks were saying about Gallery, before he became one of the NFL’s better Guards…against his will.
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NFL’s better guards? According to who? Outside of Raiderland, where do you see anyone mention Gallery being at the top?
He’s a massive failure as a first round pick at tackle. Got first round tackle money, and was a total bust.
Hey, maybe I missed all of those awesome holes he created so your 3 headed monster at RB could run, untouched.
Except that didn’t happen either.
Gallery is mediocre, at best.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
HD37: who said Gallery refused to play guard? he’s played good soldier ever since he got here. Seems like the man has taken 3 paycuts since signing his rookie contract. was the best OL in his draft class
Barnes openly balked at playing RT. He hasn’t done so since college. He’s a bust at LT. He played like Kwame Harris last year and nobody wanted him in FA. not to mention his wrap sheet off the field.
big difference between Barnes & Gallery!
what makes you convinced Barnes at RT would be better than Green, Pears, McQuistan, Marten or even Wilson?
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RRS — Take a breath. I never said Barnes was better at RT than all those other guys.
I DID SAY BARNES NEEDS TO FIGHT FOR A JOB.
Is there something wrong with that statement? I want the best OL possible. That won’t be possible if the competition (at alol positions) keep going down to injury.
And…I don’t know why you want to spar over Gallery…I have ALWAYS been in Gallery’s corner, from day-one…long before you started posting in here. Gallery took waaaaay more heat than he deserved in his early career.
I never compared Gallery to Barnes…but you seem to want to. So, let’s do it…
In my dreams, Barnes works out like Gallery — becoming a Pro Bowl-quality O-Lineman after the majority of fans have given up on the guy.
That’s the All-American Dream.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Rockstar, such an angry post for #420, that’s just not right man, lol.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Both those scenerios he can play. If you are looking at 3 and 12 then who do you want in for block support out of those 3 guys? Fargas. 3 and 2 he can also get those needed yards because he works hard for every inch. More importantly on 3 and 4 or 5 or what have you, if he is in DC cant just say ok he is in they are passing because he can get those yards.
The last thing we need is either DMAC or MB blowing a block and Russel eating dirt.
Im just saying he is capable…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
CanadianRaider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Both those scenerios he can play. If you are looking at 3 and 12 then who do you want in for block support out of those 3 guys? Fargas. 3 and 2 he can also get those needed yards because he works hard for every inch. More importantly on 3 and 4 or 5 or what have you, if he is in DC cant just say ok he is in they are passing because he can get those yards.
The last thing we need is either DMAC or MB blowing a block and Russel eating dirt.
Im just saying he is capable…
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I’ve been saying that about Fargas for a while now. Only problem is, that’s about all he brings to the table. Not great reciever, zero big play threat and no nose for the end zone… got 2 RB’s with better skill sets. Both just need a little help pass protecting.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Gotta get lunch and a quick nap. A little red beans n’ rice and spicy chicken sounds perfect!
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http://whatscookingamerica.net/Seafood/CrawfishBoil.htm
Lunch time
August 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Agreed
August 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Not going to argue about who should, or coulda would.
Camp is going to sort all this funny business of whos who out.
As far as focusing on the positives:
Two for starters:
1. JRUSS, no reports on his throwing or progression. He must be either ahead or on schedule.
2. MIKE MITCHELL, blowing folks up……
August 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Ricochet — Gallery grades-out as one of the best Guards in the NFL. If the rest of his team played as well as he did last year, the team would’ve competed for the Division.
Whether or not Gallery got paid Tackle money when drafted is irrelevant at this point…he’s making what the top Guards make NOW, and he would make even more if he hit the open market right now.
Looking at his toughness, Gallery is probably a 10-12 year starter in the NFL. That’s a successful pick in anyone’s book.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Toomer signs with KC.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Jerry, you need to get on your job and give a detailed report on how JRUSS is progressing……..
August 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Hell ya Thec, that pumped me up too! “Mad Mike” is gonna hurt someone on Monday night!
9-7!
DRINK UP!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Serving Boiled Crawfish: To serve the traditional way, cover a table (preferably outdoors) with thick layers of newspaper.
Spill the contents of the basket (onions, potatoes, corn, sausage, mushrooms, prawns, and crawfish) along the length of the newspaper-covered table. They are best served steaming hot.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Canadian if you believe Fargas is the best back for both those scenarios then he should be the #1 RB right ? Why bother with Bush & Dmac?
Great idea Canadian lets leave our #1 pick on the bench with his BIG play capabilities & insert Fargas in to block!
Thats Genius!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
The meeting that we have been waiting.
LT the NATION would like to introduce you to MIKE MITCHELL……..CRACK>>>>>>>>>>> LT is down
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Fargas should be on the 53 man roster, but he should only get more than spot-play due to injury or inefficiency by Bush and D-Mac. We have to see what we have in Bush especially, we know what we have in Fargas. We can’t just can him though, he represents a lot of the message that Cable is trying to push right now, so it is good to have him around. I don’t think he will be here after this year though.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
1. JRUSS, no reports on his throwing or progression. He must be either ahead or on schedule.
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Thec,
You know he’s doing a good job. Otherwise the media would be screaming about the need for Garcia and talking about weight and laziness etc…..Russell has command of the huddle and is leading his team the right way.
That’s why Garcia is sitting out. No need for him to get too many reps since Russell is looking the part.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
AZ my Bro, thats what I have been waiting for.
For all the wrong things Mr. Davis does he may
have hit a homer with this Mike Mitchell kid.
Thats why chitown wanted him, the mediots suc.
Jery give an update on how JRUSS is doing.
Tollner, and Hackett are bomb a$$ coaches…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
LOL. perfect timing. leave right after I proved you wrong … moron
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As soon as you show where you proved me wrong, I’ll understand a little more, RRS.
You’re hurt because somebody (me) couldn’t understand your double-sided post, and called you on it.
Me saying Khalif is worth having in the O-Line competition makes me wrong?
RRS — You’re not making sense because you’re too mad right now. Maybe you DO need to go to Popeye’s… methinks you get cranky when you’re hungry. Or questioned. About anything.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
vegas raider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Fargas should be on the 53 man roster, but he should only get more than spot-play due to injury or inefficiency by Bush and D-Mac. We have to see what we have in Bush especially, we know what we have in Fargas. We can’t just can him though, he represents a lot of the message that Cable is trying to push right now, so it is good to have him around. I don’t think he will be here after this year though
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Good point Vegas. We have to see what we have with Bush and DMAC.
Truth be told…perhaps Fargas should have been put on the field earlier instead of WASTING time with LaMont Jordan and others.
Raiders have a nasty habit of sitting on promising young talent to the point that once they get a shot to play they are no longer exciting
August 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
SNB Defense,
thats all the more reason to trumpet it. If its good stuff say so, dont just show the bad show the good.
The NATION playing good football is good for the NFL. On the one
hand I want them to report, on the other i dont want them to say anything, and watch us explode on the opposition…..
August 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Nation Collective – Keep Kiffin!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
If you are in a 3 and long he is better I don’t think you can argue that.
The other 2 are both better for the times when we want to run the ball, 3rd and short, but are you gonna keep them in there on 3 and 7 3 and 8? no because they cant block if you do throw the ball.
Like I said, he isn’t the best, but capable thats all
August 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Toomer to KC?
CJ can lock him up & Nnamdi can take Bowe.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Nation Collective – Where’s the Commissioner?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Can you imagine?
MNF.
Russell struggling, off target.
Crowd is restless.
Then Bey takes off and gets seperation.
Russell has a rare moment of protection, and launch’s one, blindly, in direction of end zone…
Bey runs under it, with no defenders around…
You just cringed, didn’t you, Raider fan? lol..because we both know what the very likely outcome will be.
Remember something..destroying your remote control won’t help matters.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
# Thec Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
The meeting that we have been waiting.
LT the NATION would like to introduce you to MIKE MITCHELL……..CRACK>>>>>>>>>>> LT is down
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Hell yeah. Hopefully Mitchell can crack the starting lineup though. If he doesn’t, we’re not going to get to see him anyone other than kick returners.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Kurt Killed Courtney!
Where’s the Commissioner?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Troll Alert…..
August 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
He is capable! LMAO
Anybody who makes a NFL team is “capable” but in the NFL you put your best guys on the field. Stick to hockey!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
-I DID SAY BARNES NEEDS TO FIGHT FOR A JOB
-I never compared Gallery to Barnes
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HD37: LIAR ALERT! LIAR ALERT!
go back and look @ your post #386 again …
August 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Cable should have put some of the argument to rest when he said he watched film. DMAC, and MBUSH were under utilized, as well as our young WR’s. Lighting wont stike here. You put the best atheletes on the field and let them do what they do. Remeber the NY giants when they had the 3 headed monster ar rb??????
We have the same issue. Put the best player on the field and let him go to work. End the end its all about W’s…. PERIOD
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
# SNB Defense Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
1. JRUSS, no reports on his throwing or progression. He must be either ahead or on schedule.
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Thec,
You know he’s doing a good job. Otherwise the media would be screaming about the need for Garcia and talking about weight and laziness etc…..Russell has command of the huddle and is leading his team the right way.
That’s why Garcia is sitting out. No need for him to get too many reps since Russell is looking the part.
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You know if J-Russ was sitting out with some minor ankle injury right now it would be the lead story on NFL Live, Total Access, etc. It would be all about how the out of shape, bust is being lazy again. But because it’s Mr. Hard Work and toughness Jeff Garcia who’s sitting out you don’t hear anything from the national guys but crickets. When things don’t fit their predetermined storyline they just look the other way.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I was worried about “Mad Mikes” coverage skills, but David White say he looked pretty good. He could be a beast for us if he works out.
I was watching his highlight reel on youtube, and he had a couple picks, but fot the most part when he is in pass coverage, he goes for the knock-out rather than a pick. I’m cool with either one, but the picks are a nice touch.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I am out NATION, looks like the Trolls, MR, or Jerry
is running Amuck.
1 NATION…….RAIDER NATION.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Why does Michael Turner start?
How about Matt Forte or Frank Gore, Steven Jackson…Brandon Jacobs, Steve Slaton or the Carolina/Tennessee backs?
Because they run the ball with purpose. Because they get 1st downs and touchdowns….not because of pass blocking…running the ball with purpose and getting yards and TDs is what a running back is supposed to do.
They are supposed to break a few big plays…maybe even score double digit TDs….they should make plays on the pass
Let’s not dupe ourselves here. Do the Raiders want to build a high performing offense…or a plodding one.
3.9yds per carry and 1TD on 200+ carries is not good enough
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Keep Fargas…create a package where DMC lines up as a slot. Bush as a tail….and make Fargas block and pass the ball. Bush needs touches, DMC needs to start. Fargas needs to have a role. Its a healthy situation to be in. JRuss and Garcia…healthy situation to be in. First 3 games against the West….Healthy situation to be in with victories. Lets keep healthy situations alive.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
The PRIMARY reason Adrian Peterson plays because he’s a beast when carrying the ball. I am sure he’s a decent pass blocker…but I am sure that if he was below average…he’d still be starting
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Yeah Thec, soon as the kiffin crap popped off I knew it wasnt you, dont trip…
August 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Hayesdaze37, nice work playing the roll of a troll…..
See you still toting the company lines…
August 4th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Ricochet — Gallery grades-out as one of the best Guards in the NFL. If the rest of his team played as well as he did last year, the team would’ve competed for the Division.
Whether or not Gallery got paid Tackle money when drafted is irrelevant at this point…he’s making what the top Guards make NOW, and he would make even more if he hit the open market right now.
Looking at his toughness, Gallery is probably a 10-12 year starter in the NFL. That’s a successful pick in anyone’s book.
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Grades out? Again..WHERE? What NFL source grades out Gallery as anything except a first round bust?
Yeah, he’s not in the limelight as much because he’s not on the bubble at left tackle.
Successful pick? Money paid is irrelevent?
Guy was beat like a drum, and had to be re-positioned, even though he got top tackle money, which is more than guard.
I will say this. Gallery wasn’t picked on, because defenses drooled at the prospect of attacking your left tackle position. If that ever gets shorn up, Gallery will likely be targeted again.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
DHITZ Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Keep Fargas…create a package where DMC lines up as a slot. Bush as a tail….and make Fargas block and pass the ball. Bush needs touches, DMC needs to start. Fargas needs to have a role. Its a healthy situation to be in. JRuss and Garcia…healthy situation to be in. First 3 games against the West….Healthy situation to be in with victories. Lets keep healthy situations alive.
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How many 3 back running games do you see in the NFL that are effective?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I do have to go to a meeting, understand some of these posters have agenda’s. some try to sway you from your own opinions, by imposing there so called “will” on you.
1 NATION
August 4th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Two quick points:
1. Read an article criticizing JR for not getting angry about Garcia lobbying for his job. He’s in a catch 22, if he blows up, then they say that he’s a jerk and he doesn’t have sportsmanship. Or they say that he “thinks” he should be given the job. Guess what, they hate one another–and JR has told Garcia through a team employee to “keep my name out of your mouth”. Garcia is going to be a cancer to this team, mark it down. He’s going to try to divide the locker room. And all this time, everyone thought that it was all TO in San Fran. This guy wanted Philly to get rid of Donovan and keep him after he led them to the playoffs, get real.
2. If Garcia is really going to take the job, shouldn’t he be able to make it through camp? He already has a calf strain and they are only a week in. IF he did unseat Russell, which I doubt, he would only last about 8 games before he was injured. Yes, he has heart, desire but what he also has is a 39 year old body that has taken a beating in 16 seasons because of his stule of play. He better get his stuff together because that little one of his may want to play with daddy someday but daddy may not be able to get out of the bed.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Can someone please give me an instance where McFadden failed to pass block and Russell was blown up? I didn’t get to see all of the games, but the ones I watched I sure as hell didn’t see McFadden blowing pass blocking assignments.
Even if Fargas is a better pass blocker, as long as McFadden, or Bush for that matter, are even slightly adequate pass blockers, then what they bring to the table in all other aspects vastly outweighs what Fargas can do with his super pass blocking skills for crying out loud.
Wake the fuk up Cable or you are going to get canned after one year.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RRS — What are you trying to get at? I made some comments ABOUT Gallery and ABOUT Khalif…I never said anything about Khalif being better than Gallery by comparison.
Let it go, man…you are a typing contradiction today!
RaiderRockstar Says:
(HD37 says)
-I DID SAY BARNES NEEDS TO FIGHT FOR A JOB
-I never compared Gallery to Barnes
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HD37: LIAR ALERT! LIAR ALERT!
go back and look @ your post #386 again …
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OK, RRS — Here’s my entire post:
HayesDaze#37 Says:
RRS — Stop contradicting yourself in your own post(s), and I’ll stop asking for clarification.
As far as Khalif goes…yes, it definitely hurts the team. Even if he’s “just” a backup, losing him wouldn’t be good. We don’t even know what he’ll be like at RT, but he’s a bust?
That’s what (a lot of) folks were saying about Gallery, before he became one of the NFL’s better Guards…against his will.
And no, RRS — I didn’t have to go looking for your contradiction a few minutes ago…it was just a few minutes ago. I was just pointing out that you were criticizing others for criticizing others…and then you criticized others. Just sayin…
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Now…where do I lie about anything?
And…the name-calling really hurts! Ouch!!
Let me eat my lunch without making me laugh, RRS.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Hey Boy, Leroy er Hayesdays, u gonna eat some Watermelon too? Typical cooon.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I never said start him, never once. I said he is still a good situational back to use a better term that I did before.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
AZ Raider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
It’s all good Dirty, I don’t know why I’m so defensive today. Maybe its all the DHB bashing, the crystal ball rosters, “srub” bashing, and over analysis in general.
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Yep.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
HD37: wow. you won’t admit when you’re wrong. I’m not surprised
the man who patrols the blog looking for wrong doers is a liar. hmmm
you made the connection between Gallery & Barnes. nobody even mentioned him. you brought him up in comparison jokester, when in reality he’s more like Kwame Harris.
whats the matter? you don’t want to back up your posts?
for the record, I never said anything about Khalif being “better” either. quit trying to change your earlier statements and mine too while you’re at it
be a man and back up your words, coward
August 4th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
CanadianRaider Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I never said start him, never once. I said he is still a good situational back to use a better term that I did before.
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I hear you. My problem is what is “situational” I just don’t see any teams running 3 running backs concurrently.
I think Tom Cable is forcing the issue here. Why is everyone questioning Fargas’ play? Why?? Why the need to stress the intangibles?
The Giants recently let Derrick Ward go. Why? Brandon Jacobs is the man…and Bradshaw can be the speedy change of pace…they didn’t need 3 backs.
3 backs equals 3 mediocre backs…The Raiders should copy the Tennessee/Carolina formula and be done with it. If pass blocking is the key…then coach Bush/DMAC up.
Its time to move forward and stop tying a hand behind the collective backs of the offense
If Fargas was the true #1…why draft McFadden in the 1st place? Davis did that…not me.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
If DMAC puts up numbers when he gets over 20 carries in a game like he did against KC consistantly then teams are in major trouble thats for sure, and the debate is over.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RRS — I can tell I hurt your feelings. I apologize. I’m not a liar, and my very post you reference shows it.
You’re clutching at straws and semantics to show something I did not (and would not) do – denigrate Robert Gallery in the slightest. So…stop trying to make it out like I said something anti-Gallery. I said something pro-Khalif, which in some way tweaked your nerves.
Your feelings are hurt. Again…sorry!
Let’s just call it a “truce”…there’a another practice coming up, and we can argue some more after that if you want.
The new post is up now…maybe a new discussion thread, too?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
new post
August 5th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Fargas is really under rated.
He’s tough as nails.
always hits the hole quick.
Even though he doesn’t get the respect he deserves, he always gives it his all.
Good player.
Tough player.
Raiders need to keep him around.
Not just in case of RB injuries.
He would be a star on a lot of other teams.
Could be a star with the Raiders if they utilize him more.
3 fresh RB’s rotating might work well.
Like the Cardinals 3 WR set.
Think,…innovation.