Practice will be a hit
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, August 3rd, 2009 at 11:40 am in Oakland Raiders.
About four hours to go until the Raiders put on the pads for the first time.
Coach Tom Cable’s unique approach of having eight “dress rehearsals” stressing fundamentals, alignment and footwork has given today’s session a heightened excitement level for not only the players, but the media as well.
You understand why Cable was doing it, but it didn’t make the sessions easy to watch.
Other than seeing some of the first individual battles of camp and getting an idea of the depth chart, we’ll also get an initial idea of how the approach paid off. If all goes according to plan, there will be none of the confusion in between snaps on offense and defense that has marked camps of years past, in particularly the Art Shell camp of 2006. In theory, it should be crisp and well executed. There are no excuses for not knowing where to line up.
Other thoughts:
– In the limited amount of passing drills we’ve seen _ against no defenders _ JaMarcus Russell has thrown the ball much better than he did in the mandatory minicamp and OTAs. Will that carry over against live defenders? He’s carrying himself like it’s his team, and that’s a good thing. The next step is playing like it consistently.
– Chaz Schilens has been easily the most impressive receiver so far, and the guess here is he’ll continue that way.
– What’s up with Jay Richardson? Cable says not to read too much into the rotations during the “learning phase,” but Richardson was getting almost no work with the irst team and sometimes not with the second team.
– How will Darrius Heyward-Bey bounce back from a rough second practice Sunday? It’s only one practice, and it’s way too early to where he’s at. I seem to remember Cliff Branch dropping everything in sight when he first arrived and that worked out fine. Same with Jerry Rice. Same with Rickey Dudley. Impossible to know where Heyward-Bey is headed.
– Will Mike Mitchell load up and hit somebody? I remember Eric “Crazy” Johnson getting overexcited in his first practice and crushing Dudley. Cable doesn’t want to see any of that from Mitchell, but you’ve got to think the rookie wants to show why he was drafted in the second round.
– Will Oren O’Neal suit up and hit somebody, or will the Raiders wait awhile longer?
– Derrick Burgess won’t be there, and that’s a big error on his part. The problem with being out of camp is he is driving his own value down because know one knows if he can still play. Word would get out if he was in Napa and showing a good burst. And Al Davis isn’t going to give him away.
Adam Schefter’s “tweet” that the Raiders are looking for third and fourth round picks sounds acceptable, but you don’t dump him for anything less than that.
– Former Raiders’ exec Mike Lombardi had some thoughts on Raiders coach Tom Cable and working for Al Davis in his column in the National Football Post.
I’ll check in via Twitter when I get to Napa and have a post-practice blog this evening.
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August 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 am
First??? Swear??
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
Wow…..that was the first post I’ve ever made on this lol
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:47 am
Sorry but you don’t get a reward for being 1st. =)
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Cable will revolutionize the game of football! All coaches will follow his lead for years to come! No hitting in training camp! Save it for the enemy!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
Wow a new post
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
^click on my name above for my personal intrests
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
Lets get to Hittin already.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
It would be nice to see Schilens come into his own. It would certainly be an over-achievement for a 7th rounder. If Walker is running around as well as he is and I continue to praise his ability while also being disappointed in his lack with showing that ability, we just might have some receivers this year. Schilens and Walker on the outside with Higgins in the slot can turn out to be pretty good with guys like DHB and Murphy learning how to be pro’s and getting in the game occassionally. I’ll be happy with that.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
It would be nice to see Mike Mitchell knocking people around but I can wait until pre-season. He should really work on his coverage skills for now until he can hit someone thats not his teamate.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
I just don’t see Gradkowski beating out Charlie Frye.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
repost:
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
If DHB doesn’t take a starter’s job this year, but his numbers in situational play come close to these, he and the team will be just fine:
Gms GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD
16 1 33 771 23.4 74T 3
Those aren’t a superstar’s numbers…those are the rookie numbers of James Jett. When Jett started all 16-games (his career yrs 4-6), he was in the mid-40’s in receptions for 800+ yards.
Again — on the surface, no superstar numbers…but if DHB wins a starter’s job, 45-rec/800+yds is entirely possible this year from the rook.
Oh, yeah…here’s a cool stat. One year (’97) when Jett caught “only” 46-passes for 804-yards…he produced 12 TD’s. 12 TD’s in 46-receptions = a ratio of 1-TD for (less than) every 4th catch! Those are numbers we could all live with from DHB. In the beginning, at least.
Unfortunately, some people think DHB is a bust already, and if he doesn’t produce with 50+ receptions in year-one, they’ll beat their chests and proclaim they’ve been proven correct. When anybody who knows anything knows that rookie-year success from the WR position must be graded on a curve…and with an eye to the future.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:57 am
Hey 24 you ever see the adrian Peterson commercial on the nflnetwork?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Derrick Burgess is an idiot. Hes never been a team player and always does his own thing. He can sit on the bench or at home for all I care and if he decides to join us and collect 12 sacks then I’m ok with that too but I don’t want to trade him. I’d rather make him pay for being an idiot. More than likely, he’ll show up because I seriously doubt he wants to sit this year out and he will contribute and he will get his stats to help the team and thats all that matters.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Crabs and Schilens are the same player?
you won’t catch any coach or NFL analyst say that. just desperate Kool-Aid drinking Raider fans …
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
different post same whiners…
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Treyrockstar – I don’t recall. I unfortunately don’t have that channel anymore and haven’t had it for quite sometime due to my living situation.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Eric “Crazy” Johnson, man I loved that guy. We should have gave him more playing time at solb.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Was Eric “Crazy” Johnson’s camp hit on Dudley the reason Dudley’s career never took off? Worried more about hits than catching the ball?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Oh no your missing out, I’ll check to see if it’s on YouTube though.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
HayesDaze#37 – Considering it takes about 3 years average for a WR to become dominant or worth anything…I don’t expect to see anything from DHB until 2011. I do expect Walker to showup and Higgins to light it up. Schilens would be a surprise that I will gladly welcome and Murphy and DHB can just learn and hopefully they’ll contribute and not because someone got hurt.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
A few problems with the Lombardi article:
- He said that we are going to run the West Coast Offense this year. Yet, it’s pretty much a given that we will be a run first offense with more vertical attack. That doesn’t sound too West Coast to me.
- When talking about Left Tackle, he only mentioned Kahlif Barnes. Yet, we all know Super Mario is going to start.
Time to brush up on your old team, Mike.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 am
Bobby: we’re waiting for clarification from BSJ, Danny’s uncle … please allow 15-30 business days
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Southwick is a non-denominational Football Jesus. And who am I? I am the one telling you how it is.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Hitting Dudley in camp obviously didn’t do much for Eric Johnson’s career either.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Ottocrat – I think Lombardi has been away from the team too long to spew crap at this point. He might know a few things but he talks like he knows everything. I seriously doubt it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Oh man I couldn’t find it at all
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
A little late, if you ask me. When you consider the Raiders’ being in the midst of a 6th year skid, is it really a good idea to start slow? I could see maybe Pittsburgh starting slow. Taking a few extra days of walk throughs. I mean, they did win the Super Bowl. We beat Tampa Bay in our final game. While it’s cause for one hell of a party on the flight back, is it really a declaration that we’ve turned the corner? It could be. But a better indicator of what will be of the Raiders is WEEK ONE, not the final game.
I think in only two seasons over the past 20 years, the Raiders rebounded after a week one loss, or have tail spun after a week one victory (’95, Hostettler’s injury). I went year by year in a comment a week or so ago. I won’t try to dig it up. But any of you can check for yourselves. Week one absolutely DEFINES the Raiders.
THE RAIDERS WILL NOT REBOUND AFTER A LOSS TO SAN DIEGO IN WEEK ONE. History says so. They must win. But I’m just not seeing that urgency from Tom Cable. Cable’s approach seems to be that it’s going to be a long season, with bumps in the road. And that we just need to take baby steps to get there. While he’s right, he has to also understand the significance of week one for the franchise he works for. Has he even looked at this stat himself? If not, I question him as a coach. Don’t give me this, “he doesn’t pay attention to numbers” drivel. Any good coach concerned about winning would pay attention to an obvious, simple stat like that. It should be a giant poster in the locker room. There should be posters of it all over the practice field. “Week One is the Super Bowl”. As it stands, the only posters seem to say, “take it easy, we’re going to be fine”. At this point, and I know it’s early, I’ve gotta predict 4-12.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Treyrockstar – You talkin about this?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81166fa5/Adrian-Peterson-fantasy-commercial
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Crabs and Schilens are the same player?
you won’t catch any coach or NFL analyst say that. just desperate Kool-Aid drinking Raider fans …
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Ummm, RRS — What’s the point here? That Crabtree is better, or has more upside, than Chaz?
Actually…there aren’t many coaches that would trade Chaz (proven at this level, even for a little while) for Crabtree right now. And, including “analysts” in your point is, well…pointless. Since when do you respect the opinions of analysts?
Crabtree hasn’t even proven he can WALK onto the field (kinda like Javon last year), let alone run a good route or catch passes at this level like he did in college. Crab may end up being a superstar WR…but right now, he’s just another rook with a lot to prove.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Crabtree is coming off an injury, expects to be paid like a 3rd pick in the NFL draft despite being the 10th pick, didn’t play in a system that translates to the NFL very well, has a bad attitude and has Shaun Hill and Alex Smith as his QB.
Maybe Crabtree becomes great but it doesn’t look too good from the start.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
FACT: Louis Murphy has as much upside as Crabtree does.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Jerry, you really need to ask Cable whats up with Chris Johnson?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Rockstar,
Schilens is a guy that if he stays healthy becomes the Raiders #1 receiver. Training camp will prove that out.
As for predictions….the story for Oakland won’t be told by the scoreboard in week 1. It will be told in how the Raiders play in that game, the playcalling, discipline…all that stuff. If the Raider defense looks the same as last yr…with limited pressure, vanilla looks and all that…then you know that Al Davis is still managing the defense and the season will be over…however, if the defense looks more attacking, more aggressive..if LBs are all over the field…then you know Marshall is playing the role of a real D.C.
The Raiders should beat K.c and Denver…No excuses and at a minimum be 2-2 after the first 4gms with a good chance at 3-1….
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
DHB sounds good and stretching the field is important but I have felt like Schilens and Higgins can do the same thing can’t they? Maybe DHB becomes great and I’m not knocking him but…I still would have traded for Boldin with the 1st pick instead because he would have given us instant success to go along with our existing talent in Schilens and Higgins and we could have been better today instead of wondering if we’re going to be better tomorrow. If Walker came around, we would have 2 very good veterans on each side with 2 very good young guys and still have Murphy to go along with them.
Either way…I think that could have been ideal but we’ll see how the DHB deal turns out.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
What a GREAT DAY in Raider Nation! This is where it all begins…
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Lombardi is (once again) an idiot. He erroneously claims:
> “Cable wants to put in a west coast offense that features the zone scheme. With Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett, two assistant coaches with deep roots in the west coast offense, the Raiders will be a pure west coast team.” HUH? THOSE COACHES HAVE DEEP ROOTS IN THE VERTICAL OFFENSE TOO, AND ALL COACHING COMMENTS AND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS POINT TOWARD MORE DOWNFIELD PASSING.
> “This year, with Tollner calling plays, Cable can step back and allow him to manage the game in the right fashion.” CABLE IS ONRECORD SAYING HE WILL CALL THE PLAYS.
> “However, left tackle is still a void, despite their belief that Khalif Barnes can handle the job.” HE NEVER MENTIONS MARIO, WHO CABLE SAYS IS THE LIKELY STARTER.
> “The Raiders have talent in the backfield, but both Justin Fargas and Darren McFadden are similar in that they’re zone runners who have not shown the talent to make plays in the passing game.” MCFADDEN HAS BEEN WAY SOLID IN THE PASSING GAME, WHEN HE DOESN’T FALL DOWN DUE TO A NUMB WHEEL. HIS “TALENT” IS MORE THAN OBVIOUS TO THE RAIDER BEAR WRITERS.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81166fa5
yup that’s the 1, who do you think he’s running to? I have fantasies that it’s me
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Yeah… What’s up wit C. Johnson Jerry? Him and Nnamdi were a sick duo last year. Been hearing Routt looks good enough to fight for tha spot though…
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
MR – I’d rather see some walkthroughs instead of the normal fumbling and bumbling we have witnessed in the 1st game of the season. I’m tired of watching simple snaps to the QB fumbled or handoffs bobbled to the RB’s or offensive lineman jumping too soon before the snap. These things “should” be corrected now and at a slower pace to ensure everyone knows what they’re doing. It might not work but I don’t see it hurting us either. No matter what, the pads are coming on and the hitting will commence. They just saved their bodies 1 extra week.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Raiderrockstar believes so
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Stanford routt is faster than cj
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
It doesn’t matter if Schilens becomes the #1 guy if hes catching 40 passes for 700 yards and 5 TD’s by the end of the season. Whoever is planning on showing up and being the #1 guy needs to put up a healthy 80 Receptions for 1200 yards and 10 TD’s. Everyone else behind that person can put up some nice stats but you need at least 1 dominant guy.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Crabtree hasn’t even proven he can WALK onto the field let alone run a good route or catch passes at this level like he did in college. Crab may end up being a superstar WR…but right now…..
….he’s a hold out who is recovering from surgery!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
24 — Go back the past TWO drafts, and you’ll see I was among those wanting to trade for Boldin all along. Boldin is as good as any 1st-round receiver taken either draft…and even if he’s not, it will take a number of (great) years to find that out. Find your team a WR better than Boldin, and you’ll have a Hall Of Fame WR.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I don’t know… that was C. Johnson who ran down C. Williams and tore his knee all up… He had a 15 yard headstart too.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I hope Cable does run a WCO. A lot of Raider fans act like it’s impossible to watch. It got us to our most recent Super Bowl appearance. If anyone has a problem with getting to the Super Bowl then you have to wonder what their being a fan is even really about. Going to games and getting in fights? I dunno. I thought it was all about rooting for the team to win. But the thing is, if we’re going to use a WCO, why not make a move for Gruden? Gruden is the best coach we’ve had since Flores, and he was sitting right there available this off season. Al’s making too many decisions based upon personal grudges, and not enough based on a will to win games.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
24,
Agreed, and I really don’t care who it is either… IMO Chaz WILL do it. 1100 yards and 10 TD’s!
DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
The competition between CJ and Routt doesn’t hurt at all. You don’t want to have just 2 good corners, you want to have 3. Someone needs to cover that nickel spot well and if someone gets injured, the 3rd guy needs to be able to step up.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
HayesDaze#37 – Thank you. Agreed.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Thanks for the updates, JMac!
Now at camp: Lunch time…nap time…crunch time!
It IS a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
who am I kidding?
Higgins = Steve Smith
Schilens = Larry Fitzgerald
Walker = Anquan Boldin
Murphy = Andre Johnson
pass the Kool-Aid. best WR corps in the league!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
24, we have not lost our week one games in recent years due to first game jitters. Try a complete lack of desire and intensity. We need to be hitting, YESTERDAY. Heck, we should have started camp in mid july with full speed drills on day one. Week one is the Super Bowl for the Raiders. History says so.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
The one thing Boldin truly represents outside of being great is being TOUGH!!! Sure…Fargas is tough but hes not successful the way Boldin is and Boldin could really lead the team.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
If that is what you guys call Kool-Aid you’re bloody drunk and I won’t have any of it. Craziness. I like to look at things clearly because the truth lies within that.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RR,
LOL, brain-freeze! Too much kool-aid at once for me Rockstar, LOL.
9-7!
You know the drill…
DRINK UP!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Boldin would hate it here, 24. We need a real coach with a system before we can get big name guys here. We bring big guys into this mess, they’re just going to turn on us. See: MOSS, Randy.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
And no…Its not really a great day to be a Raiders fan until we actually win something and it actually feels great to win which in turn feels great to be a Raiders fan. As of right now…we’ve lost alot and I’m not satisfied. I WANT TO BE SATISFIED!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Well off to work gents here’s that link 1 more time of ap running without his shirt
http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81166fa5
have fun with it crew I know you will raiderrockstar and 24
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Mike MITCHELL!!! KILL SOMEBODY!!!!!!!
i can see mike hitting fargas. because fargas just looks like a blind man running because he just runs he just dont give a damn if your coming 100 miles per hour. and he just finish making a slow cut. hes still going.
I WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE HITS!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
MR – Hey I believe you. I agree. If we don’t set the tone in the 1st week, we’re fuked!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
sipp sipp sipping on that KOOL AID. sipp sipp sipping on that KOOL AID!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
MR – You may be right. Lets hope our fortunes change this year and we can get some names over here. Without a salary cap, we just might be able to do that hopefully.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
You bring in big TEAM guys to Oakland, and they’ll help turn the team around. See: Boldin, Anquan.
Later!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
24 – And MR…You know the NFL knows how the Raiders operate in week 1. Thats why they keep throwing us out their on Monday Night despite being a poor team. The league wants to crush us early before we get a head start and they have succeeded in making our lives hell regarding the schedule.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I would be more optimistic if Kiffin was still around.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Perfect example is the Chargers week 1 on Monday night. Chiefs week 2 and Broncos week 3. This could be in our favor if we win but its alot of pressure for a team to win 3 straight division games and if we lose all 3…we’re 0-3 with our record and within the division.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I did not say the Kiffin thing…hater.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I still miss Gruden.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
31-21 RAIDERS! – WEEK 1.
DRINK IT!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
AZ – So who scores the TD’s in week 1?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
S&B,
Thanks for the awnser nice break down!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I still miss Gruden.
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The Tampons don’t hahaha
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Kiffin was the best thing to ever happen to the Raiders. I can’t help but thinking if he was still here we would be in the SuperBowl this year.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
The troll mocking 24 Says:
Kiffin was the best thing to ever happen to the Raiders. I can’t help but thinking if he was still here we would be in the SuperBowl this year.
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Go root for Tenn.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Destrilogy Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Mike MITCHELL!!! KILL SOMEBODY!!!!!!!
i can see mike hitting fargas. because fargas just looks like a blind man running because he just runs he just dont give a damn if your coming 100 miles per hour. and he just finish making a slow cut. hes still going.
I WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE HITS!!!!
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If killing Fargas is what it takes to get Mitchell into the starting lineup…I’m all for it!!!
Kill him Mitchell!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
24 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
AZ – So who scores the TD’s in week 1?
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Schilens – 2
DMAC – 1
Bush – 1
Jano – 1 FG
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
31-21 RAIDERS! – WEEK 1.
DRINK IT!!!
So who scores the TD’s in week 1?
Chris Johnson pick six…rivers wnt even look Nnamdis way!!
Russell to miller 14yrd strike!!!
mcfadden on a screen to the right side!!!! 45yrd scamper!!
Russell playfakes to bush looks left looks right pump fakes DHB on a go looks back to his left hits Walker in stride 65 yrd bomb!!!!
bush up the middle for three….4th and 2 from the Oakland 42 Jano lines up for the 56yrd field goal the snap the hold the kick its good!!!!!
unless we release condo then it………4th and 2 from the Oakland 42 Jano lines up for the 56yrd field goal the snap wow wide rigth john wade just does not look natrual in that long snappers squat….and who did they bring in place of him stryker sulak?!?!!?!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Cut Jon Condo already. Morris was a longsnapper at MSU. This team needs Southwick in uniform.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Southwick is a SCRUB.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
who am I kidding?
Higgins = Steve Smith
Schilens = Larry Fitzgerald
Walker = Anquan Boldin
Murphy = Andre Johnson
pass the Kool-Aid. best WR corps in the league!!!
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I don’t think you have to pass any kool-aid.
Steve Smith was a 3rd rd pick and he has the same measurables as JLH
Schilens is big, tall, physicall, showing good hands, can jump and is actually faster than Fitzgerald
A healthy and motivated Javon Walker could put up some good numbers
way too early to say much about Murphy yet.
The key is the Raiders have to throw the ball and the O-Line has to block. You can’t realize your full potential until you get a chance to put up some numbers….
Hopefully the Raiders throw the ball more than 10 to 15x per game
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
The Oakland Raiders have formally requested permission from the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys to change the format of their August 13th preseason game from tackle football to flag football. Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable believes such a change would benefit the Raiders for the remainder of the preseason and the regular season, “I think this would be great for our team at this time. I have always envisioned, if or when I became an NFL head coach, that I would want the first preseason game to be a non-tackle football game because I think it would let the guys have more left in their tank when fighting for a playoff spot come December.”
The Dallas Cowboys and the NFL have declined comment.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Man damn the WCO! Weak puss football. What about the fact Russell isnt a WCO qb? Ever thought of that. The WCO is over
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Higgins = Steve Smith
Schilens = Larry Fitzgerald
Walker = Anquan Boldin
Murphy = Andre Johnson
continued …
Holland = Randy Moss
Watkins = Chad Johnson
Heyward-Bey = JJ Stokes
Arman Shields = Rashaun Woods
Right fellas?
Russell = more passing yards than Drew Brees!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Derrick Burgess makes no sense man. What the heck does he think he has to gain as a no show coming off of a hurt season? What has this guy been drinking over the off season? I would trade him to the CFL if I were Davis!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Guys aint it funny how MR talks Gruden up so much but yet dogs Jruss? Doesnt Gruden think the world of JR? Doesnt he think Hackett will help make him dynamic this year?
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Someone say “Cut Javon Walker”.
Where are the Walker haters at?????
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
9-7!
You can say you heard it from AZ first!
DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I would trade him to the CFL if I were Davis!
YES!!! for some of those oreos they make over there!! they are different nabisco dsnt make them they are so much better!!! any one had those?????
24 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Southwick is a SCRUB.
WTF man this kid can throw a football further than you could jog with out stoppin!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I never liked Burgess. Just stay away, we dont need you
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
Oh, yeah…here’s a cool stat. One year (’97) when Jett caught “only” 46-passes for 804-yards…he produced 12 TD’s. 12 TD’s in 46-receptions = a ratio of 1-TD for (less than) every 4th catch! Those are numbers we could all live with from DHB. In the beginning, at least.
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Can you tell me how many drops he had that year???
DHB and James jett are not the same. James jett was 5′9″ and about 155 pounds. I know he was listed slightly bigger, but he wasn’t.
He could only run the post and the fade. he couldn’t run a hook, square in, dig, drag, hitch, or any other route within the 5 and 15 yard range.
DHB is a big with receiver who can get bigger and stonger, once he gets his hands together, he can run any route in the playbook. He should also be able to break some tackles and have RAC yards. he can be more like a TO then a james jett.
TO has inconsistant hands (as does DHB), but works hard on the field and when he catches the ball, great things happen.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Cut Mop Handle already. Morris was a wifesmacker at MSU. This team needs Southwick in uniform.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Cut walker. You damn right. A bs session shouldnt fool you. Play the young guys
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811a0b1f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
YES! The Broncos falling apart.
Marshall’s hurt and wants out, 1st round DE Jarvis Moss may retire after struggling mightily with the 3-4 transition and BOTH of Denvers 1st round picks this year are hold outs!
HA HA HA!!!
Couldn’t happen to a sh*ttier bunch of fans!
Hope they spiral into the toilet.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
89. PLUS, unlike T.O., DHB isn’t a complete ****.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Green is on borrowed time
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Lets see….
“Brien The General” – Got it! Hahahahahaha!
Gonna ask you about it first when it happens!
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
You can say Az said it first!
DRINK IT!
PLAYOFF BOUND (shout out to OAk)!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Totally innacurate article by mike lombardi
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Cables-first-full-year.html#add_comment
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Couldn’t happen to a sh*ttier bunch of fans!
Hope they spiral into the toilet.
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Nnamdi21, since I associate with many, many of them on a daily basis I couldn’t agree with you more.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
DHB is a cool humble guy who works hard. I aint worried
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
OAK,
LMAO @ 86
Southwick is a superior talent, and he is on a mission from God!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
DHB is the MAN! ….I mean Darren McFadden is THE MAN, but Hey-Bey is hard too!
50 for 800 and 6 TD’s
DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Walker is a bum to me. Let the yougins play. Walker best days behind him. Someone finish the Vegas job please
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
O, if his mission fails does that mean there is no god????
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
What do you guys see as the WR depth chart as if they were to settle it right now? There are two lists, 1 if Walker is back to normal and 1 with him on PUP.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
DHB and James jett are not the same. James jett was 5′9″ and about 155 pounds. I know he was listed slightly bigger, but he wasn’t.
./.
DHB is a big with receiver who can get bigger and stonger, once he gets his hands together, he can run any route in the playbook. He should also be able to break some tackles and have RAC yards. he can be more like a TO then a james jett.
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McR — I just threw out those Jett stats for fun, since so many people in the past few weeks have used Jett as a comparison.
You can go back to the draft…where among all the people screaming about DHB being a bad pick, I said DHB was more like T.O. than any other WR by comparison. You and I have similar assessments of DHB’s abilities and size…except I think he doesn’t need to get any bigger. Once he finds his groove, his already impressive size will be plenty. He’s a player.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Im overly concerned that Warren is the NT again. We got troubles with the run again. Put Sands at NT now
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Ok, i got Brien’s name saved in the TBP file
TBP is the “To Be Punked” file. I’ll open that bad boy back up after week 6 and see where your feelings are at then Brein.
It’s all good bro, I’ve been sayin this stuff about Javon all off-season, and EVERYONE’S hatin on AZ… So, your not the only name in the TBP file so don’t let it get ya down…
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
9-7!
AZ said it first!
DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Why not just start chaz and jlh? murphy and dhb can be the slot guys. Walker will do nada
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
TW,
No!! It just means we don’t understand and deserve the Mission. lol
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
RaiderMight Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
What do you guys see as the WR depth chart as if they were to settle it right now? There are two lists, 1 if Walker is back to normal and 1 with him on PUP.
……………………………………………….
With Javon!
1. Schilens
2. Walker
3. Heyward-Bey
4. Murphy
5. Higgins
W/O Walker
1. Schilens
2. Heyward-Bey
3. Murphy
4. Higgins
5. watkins
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
98. LOL! Sorry for your pain brutha man…
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
AZ,
I’ll believe it when I see it!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Just play the BEST players! Young, old, alive, dead, gay, staight, hungry, full, sick, healthy….
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
11. *sigh* I gave up my privacy to this site and then they switch back so A holes can come on here again… get it together IBA…
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
right, Joan De arc was on a mission for you know who. What happened to HER?hahahaa
You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
This site sux, I’m outta here!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Probably said somewhere else, but Dudley never got over the drops.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Can you teach hands? I think the answer is; sometimes…so do you pick a WR and give him $23 million and then hope he is one of the types of players you can teach? Al sure seems to think so.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
RaiderTW Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
right, Joan De arc was on a mission for you know who. What happened to HER?hahahaa
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So were the Blues Brothers…
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
This site was weak without the true bad asses on here. You guys just love being soft. No wonder some guys love Fargas and Walker
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Wait a minute here Brein… don’t get squirmy. I punk whoever needs to get punked. And if Walker comes out on fire, I will punk you my friend
Or, you can get your punking today if you want to start calling names.
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
You can say you heard it from AZ first1
DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
107.”JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
AZ said it first!”
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Actually, RNS said it days before you and before Jerry mentioned his work out…:)
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Just be thankful that soft POS punk jake grove is gone
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Great Raiders players Tim Brown and Jerry Rice had plenty of drops. There is nothing wrong with DHB’s hands…he goes and gets the ball. He goes and gets it in traffic, too…a skill sorely lacking in Raiders WR’s the past 5-yrs.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Raidernationstation.com Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
107.”JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
AZ said it first!”
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Actually, RNS said it days before you and before Jerry mentioned his work out…:)
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I said it in March… Ask the regulars my friend!
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER ON THE YEAR!
You can STILL say you heard it from AZ first!
DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
“He goes and gets it in traffic, too”…I guess we’ll see about that. Doing that in college, if he really did, doesn’t mean he can do it in the NFL…I am sure I will be a believer once I see him catching bombs from Russell in actual games, but right now he is just a guy with bad hands…hopefully it is just nerves.
COME ON DHB SHOW US WHAT AL SAW!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
good day nation LATER O, Dakota TW double R, BSj any one still out there peace S&B, Bobby, Beech (my main dude) hayes, all the rest till next AM
RAIDER ON!!!!!!!!!!1
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Got a meeting…later
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
AZ cant 4get my koolaid pimpin !!!!!!!
Stay up man!! peace
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I am firing up some youtube DHB highlights again just to get back my mind back to thinking he will be a factor…
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Later Oak~!
RAIDER ON!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!
Kool-aid pimpin fosho! LOL
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Yea well i suppose lame asses from AZ would know anything. I know you are excited bout them AZ cardinals
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
You and I have similar assessments of DHB’s abilities and size…except I think he doesn’t need to get any bigger. Once he finds his groove, his already impressive size will be plenty. He’s a player.
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I agree, not bigger but stronger. His bench reps were ok, but not great. More strength means getting off the line better, breaking more tackles, and being a better blocker at the wr position.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Private that hides in womens mouth. Male private parts hang in yours
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Man DHB is FAST!!!! Looks like he can catch…then again, I doubt they put his drops on his highlight video…
They used him in a lot of reverses…hopefully Cable will recognize that…McFadden to DHB…fastest reverse of all time…might be too fast to work, lol…defenders won’t have enough time to over pursue…better use Bush or Fargas on those plays…
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
OAKlifer Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
24 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Southwick is a SCRUB.
WTF man this kid can throw a football further than you could jog with out stoppin!!!
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Thx for steppin on the troll while I was in a meeting. Southwick for the HOF!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Come on GD49 with your soft posts. I will be happy for you when LA gets a team though.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Dakota, Farglass? No he shouldnt be on the team.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Raider O Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
TW,
No!! It just means we don’t understand and deserve the Mission. lol
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LMAO. Raider O, I count you as one of OG Southwick apostles.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Oaklifer – It wasn’t me that made the Southwick comment. =)
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
AZ, then act like it!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Who am I….
I played basketball and ran track. I also had the opportunity to play at the 1995 NCAA Basketball Tournament. Outside of basketball, I also played football. While playing in college, I wore the #80 jersey to honor my idol, Jerry Rice.[4] I was not a distinguished athlete at first, but managed to make a breakthrough after becoming a starter during my sophomore year. I caught 38 passes for 724 yards and eight touchdowns during his sophomore year, and 34 passes for 357 yards and three touchdowns during my junior year. I faced double coverage every week during my senior year, and was limited to 43 receptions for 667 yards and one touchdown.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Outro yall
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Who am I…
I hit three home runs in a sofball game last night while drinking 4 rum and cokes…and I had 2 errors playing third base…who cares, we won 24-4 after three innings…
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
McRaider5150 – You’re too athletic for this blog. You’re FIRED!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
We are 1 hour from hitting and tackling. I wish we could watch this stuff.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
OAKlifer Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
31-21 RAIDERS! – WEEK 1.
DRINK IT!!!
So who scores the TD’s in week 1?
Chris Johnson pick six…rivers wnt even look Nnamdis way!!
Russell to miller 14yrd strike!!!
mcfadden on a screen to the right side!!!! 45yrd scamper!!
Russell playfakes to bush looks left looks right pump fakes DHB on a go looks back to his left hits Walker in stride 65 yrd bomb!!!!
bush up the middle for three….4th and 2 from the Oakland 42 Jano lines up for the 56yrd field goal the snap the hold the kick its good!!!!!
unless we release condo then it………4th and 2 from the Oakland 42 Jano lines up for the 56yrd field goal the snap wow wide rigth john wade just does not look natrual in that long snappers squat….and who did they bring in place of him stryker sulak?!?!!?!
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I got 1 question for ya Oak. Who the HEL! caught McFaddy after 45 yards?
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Post 145,
Randy Moss???
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBaa1iPJ3lE&feature=related
LMFAO…which one of you guys is this?
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Post 139, that would be Terell Owens.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Post 139….
I am Terrell Owens.
I just thought those stats were pretty close to DHB’s and I recall Chris Carter saying that no other reciever with DHB’s stats has been successful in the nfl.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I know 24…
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
McFadden’s toes caught McFadden.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
We seriously need registration.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Dirty Raccoon Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
OAKlifer Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
31-21 RAIDERS! – WEEK 1.
DRINK IT!!!
So who scores the TD’s in week 1?
Chris Johnson pick six…rivers wnt even look Nnamdis way!!
Russell to miller 14yrd strike!!!
mcfadden on a screen to the right side!!!! 45yrd scamper!!
Russell playfakes to bush looks left looks right pump fakes DHB on a go looks back to his left hits Walker in stride 65 yrd bomb!!!!
bush up the middle for three….4th and 2 from the Oakland 42 Jano lines up for the 56yrd field goal the snap the hold the kick its good!!!!!
unless we release condo then it………4th and 2 from the Oakland 42 Jano lines up for the 56yrd field goal the snap wow wide rigth john wade just does not look natrual in that long snappers squat….and who did they bring in place of him stryker sulak?!?!!?!
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I got 1 question for ya Oak. Who the HEL! caught McFaddy after 45 yards?
………………………………………………
The End Zone caught him of coarse! DRINK IT!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Post 149, What cris carter, and that primate tom jackson did to DHB on draft day should have gotten them fired….
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
139,
A Johnson!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Cria Carter is a Raider hatin pizzo shite!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Everyone outside the Raiders is a Raider Hater…including the Trolls on this blog.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
i’m not worried about DHB and don’t plan to be. i expect him to be a solid #1 reciever by year 2 and a prowbowler by year 3. We’ll see… Good lookin out with those T.O. stats though. Wish someone would point that out to the media.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
24, Yotr right but what they did was unforgivable.
If I could hate someone it would be those two, clearly classless, and tom jackson has a gorilla face….
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Dakota,
LMAO
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
The Broncos agreed to terms with one of their 2 1st round picks…Defensive End Robert Ayers.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
In all…The draft really is hit or miss.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
i hope he tears a groin in the first drill LOL!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Raiders shopping Burgess, again
Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2009 2:06 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders tried to trade defensive end Derrick Burgess during the offseason.
They couldn’t swing a deal for him.
Now that Burgess is holding out, the Raiders will try again.
According to RaiderBeat.com, the team is attempting to find a new home for Burgess, who is entering the final season of a contract with which he has been dissatisfied for a couple of years.
It might take an injury elsewhere to get a deal done. Last year, an apparent impasse between the Dolphins and defensive end Jason Taylor quickly was resolved after the injury bug hit the Redskins, who gave up a second-round pick for a one-year rental of the 2006 NFL defensive player of the year.
And now Taylor is back in Miami after being cut by the Redskins earlier this year.
As to Burgess, a trade is a little trickier since he also might want a new deal before reporting. Currently, he’s scheduled to earn $2 million in 2009.
The Patriots and the Eagles were linked to Burgess earlier this year.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
got 1 question for ya Oak. Who the HEL! caught McFaddy after 45 yards?
………………………………………………
The End Zone caught him of coarse! DRINK IT!
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O yeah that thing, I remember that, been awhile.
lol, my mistake, I can’t read very goodly.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I never hope for anybody to get injured…I just hope for them to not play well so they become irrelevant.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Thec,
What is walker doing, is he going to prove us wrong?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Best Raider highlights of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkRc9RBmapg
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
O,
What up Bro? I wish i could tell you. I hope he does, as this would be good for the NATION….
I will admit i was wrong if he does.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Dakota, your an idiot….LOL
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Dakota – Goshdamnit! I can’t believe you made me click on that.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Trade him to the Eagles!!!!
LMAO
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Dakota, You should have checked the view before you sent that one out. Will easily drive views.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Dakota = Is not to be trusted, under any circumstances……
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
What do we get for burg, a bag of magic beans and 7TH?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Thec,
I agree! I still hate him, but …. If he can help us win, then I can learn to like him. lol
I still think Chaz will be our best WR this season, and the next Decade.
Go Aztecs!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Thec…I did…41696
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Leinart sinking?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around_the_nfl/post/Leinart-sinking-?urn=nfl,180260
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Trade Burgess for another team’s hottest cheerleaders.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I’ll trade him for A Branch from the Cards and a 3rd or a 4th RD pick.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Broncos’ offseason “highlights”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ALhOMeGKM&feature=PlayList&p=1F19652F87C1D17F&index=7
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Heres a better high light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXa3cMhpWh0
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Schilens has yet to do anything…annointing him our best WR is difficult to do. Does he have the best hands? I’ll give you that but the best WR on the team is going to show up this season, theres no guarentee its going to be Schilens. He only had 15 receptions last year. His measurables are great but I need to see more than 6′4 225 lbs.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Dakota Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBaa1iPJ3lE&feature=related
LMFAO…which one of you guys is this?
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That was a classic. Admittedly, a similar scene was in play over here. Except it was B.J Raji instead of Eugene Monroe. The look on that guys face when the pick was made was classic. I think I had the same look except I used some four-letter words.
I am over the draft now and am on board with what we have. But that clip you posted was hilarious….
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I would trade him and a 3rd RD pick to the Pats for V Wilfork.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
If we can sign him to a long term contract.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
You bring in big TEAM guys to Oakland, and they’ll help turn the team around. See: Boldin, Anquan..
……
…..Moss, Sapp..
Keep dreaming, Hayez. Soon as the big guys come here, without us having any real system, they turn on Al and start running down the organization to the press. All you have to do is accept history as is, Hayez. Aside from the glorious parts.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Lynn From Snot – Awesome stuff. Thank you.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm
O, as i remember correctly we were one of the few that said it was Chaz was the one….
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE8QvTD12CY
Our best players.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Thec,
Chaz is a beast, he was our main Target at SDSU.
I was very happy when we drafted him.
We have good players at SDSU, and great Athletes in San Diego.
Go Aztecs!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
“Must be the first day of contact…Phil Villapiano is in the house…http://twitter.com/jerrymcd
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Give him a set of pads and a helmet.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I’m going to visit San Diego once again Labor Day weekend.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
THE RAIDERS WILL NOT REBOUND AFTER A LOSS TO SAN DIEGO IN WEEK ONE. History says so. They must win.
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There is not ONE coach in the NFL or college for that matter that would believe this or tell their players this. Put all that on one game early in the season?? Stupid. And No one on this team cares what happened 16 years ago. Let’s say Cable and the coaching staff do exactly what you say. And they still lose. What do you tell the players then for the next sixteen weeks counting the bye??? You were just kidding??? Week one didn’t really matter?? MR you used to post things with some intelligence from time to time. Now you sound as wiggity whack as missedabrain.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
It is 3:31…Hitting time.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Jerrymcd Players wearing silver uniform pants, which they wore exactly once under Lane Kiffin last year. It was sweats or shorts, even in pads.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
24,
Smoke party!!!!
lol
Thec, you are invited too.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
As of a couple minutes ago, the offseason really is officially over! As I type this now, hopefully someone is getting smacked (well, as soon as they’re done stretching and warming up!)
What’s up fellas. Long time no holla. Haven’t been posting, but have been checkin’ in regularly to get my fix from Jerry, and I’m glad to see pretty much everyone has still been getting it in on here.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Philly V! V is hard as f*ck! I need to get his jersey!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
DavidWhite: QB Jeff Garcia is not practicing, wearing a ballcap as team stretches. Remember, Cable said he is not hurt yesterday. Hmm.
half a minute ago from mobile web
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Stop comparing Dudley, a body building tight end, to a fleet footed, super athletic and TOUGH wide receiver. Dudley was soft. DHB gets after the ball ala larry fitzgerald… watch him. He gets that from being a very good basketball player. he has a serious vertical. give the guy a chance to settle in and build his confidence. Dude’s head must be swimming. You will be really proud of this guy when it’s all said and done. you’ll see.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Afternoon, Oakglenn, Nation.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What happened to the registration feature on the page?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
DavidBWhite: QB Jeff Garcia’s wife is having her way with Jamarcus Russell on the sidelines.
half a minute ago from mobile web
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
The whole world has already seen Jeff pattented jump pass and he makes the media sea-sick with his running in circles, so Cable sat him out….
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Andrew Walter is not a Patriot. He will get a chance to compete for the spot behind Tom Brady.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/03/lemon-gets-squeezed-out-by-andrew-walter/
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Garcia isn’t going to make the team…Al Davis just realized that the guy can’t throw a 20 yard pass. Add him to the list of acquisitions that didn’t make sense (D. Hall, Sapp, Moss, etc)
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Oren O’neal is padded up.—jerrymcd
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Oakglenn, indeed, if you tell your players that if they don’t win week one, and they don’t, they will be crushed. But it’s going to happen anyway. It’s a radical approach, but it’s what we need. Consider the alternative. We go into week one all laxed, believing that it’s no big deal, we have a whole season to get things right, etc. SD kills us. The players are going to be destroyed by that as well. Because their owner had already spent the previous months telling them how great they are and that a mystique is going to carry them through hard times, so all they have to do is show up on sunday with all of their greatness, and they will win. Then, after getting beat big in week one, they realize it’s all b.s. At that point, no matter what the HC does or says to motivate the team gets nowhere. And there’s another thing you’re not considering, Oakglenn. What if we win? What if Cable tells these guys that the Raiders almost always play out the season based upon what they do in week one (truth, btw), and they win week one? The ball’s rolling. Just like that. Oakglenn, judging by the overall tone of your criticism of my suggestion, it sounds to me as if you already believe SD’s going to beat us, anyway. All I’m saying is that if they do, the season is over, if history has a say in it. What have we got to lose by making that a training camp slogan?
Hayez, back to big team players coming here to save us..I ask you, when in recent memory has it happened before, without us already having a system in tact? We’re still running a vertical game, man defense, etc. Sure, back in the day we could bring in guys to lead the team with that system because back then that system worked. But that was then. Tell everybody here what happened in 1984 when the Raiders went into Chicago on a cold November Sunday. Tell them about David Humm, our 3rd string qb, spitting out his teeth on the sideline. Tell them how many Super Bowls we’ve won since that game.
Face it, it’s been about the front 7 on D ever since, not 11 on 11 matchups. The secondary is just that…secondary. Offenses have to be diverse. You try to bring Boldin and guys like that into this mess, and they will be remembered more for slamming their helmets on the sideline after spats with coaches than they will for turning the team around. Don’t even bring up Rich Gannon and Jerry Rice. You KNOW they came here because of Gruden’s system.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
can someone give me dwhites twitter address and jerrys as well please… thanks
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
NMI,
here is David White’s
http://twitter.com/bydavidwhite
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
just type in their names in the find people section
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
First JaMarcus pass of camp: flea flicker from McFadden, deep to Holland who has to wait for it.
less than 20 seconds ago from mobile web
lol
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
trickeration baby
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
# SilverandBlackBleeder Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What happened to the registration feature on the page?
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We’re in a recession. It’s every man for himself. IBA shut it off because web hits have been down since they enacted it. that’s my guess.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
ty dakota…
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Dakota,.
Trickeration…against a practice squad. A Raiders’ practice squad, at that. You guys will get more information on the ‘09 Raiders watching porn than you will following journalists’ twitters.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
MR,
It wasn’t even against the practice squad, it was against air….but it was a completed pass, which is better than Russell had done in the OTAs lol.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
anybody know the link to jerrys twitter page?
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
http://twitter.com/JerryMcD
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
trickeration’s always fun. But this team needs discipline and intensity. Cable should have started camp 2 weeks ago, and had them running nothing but full speed running plays up the middle to this point against live defenses to this point. They’re acting like they’re the Steelers. It’s like Rocky III (note my roman numerals), when he’s blowing bubbles with fans while Clubber Lang is training in a sewer. That’s how I see Merimman and co. right now. To paraphrase Mick, they’re gonna kill ya, Tom Cable.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Sorry for my typo, using “to this point” twice in one sentence.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
i want to hear about the hitting what’s going on
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Are the Patriots just stalking the Raiders….they trade for Doug Gabriel, bring in Randy Moss, bring in Stryker Sulak and now they bring in Andrew Walter….they apparently want Derrick Burgess…
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
August 3, 2009
Revisiting Run DMC
So in re-reading my column today that said Darren McFadden needs to be used to his full myriad of talents this upcoming season for the Raiders’ offense to gain traction, I was again struck by something coach Tom Cable said.
“If you look at us the last six weeks…and particularly the last three weeks, we used him more in that role, extensively in the last two weeks, and it seemed to really complement everybody,” Cable said, meaning using Run DMC in space, allowing him to throw the ball, lining him up as the shotgun quarterback in the Wildcat Formation, putting him at receiver, etc… “It opened everybody up.
“It adds a lot to us and he’s a guy that…has to get a number of touches in a ballgame and he helps everybody around him.”
Ya think? So I went back and looked at Run DMC’s stats the last three games.
In a 49-26 home blowout loss to the New England Patriots, McFadden had 12 carries for 46 yards, including a fourth-quarter TD run from 11 yards out, and caught three passes for a season-high 68 yards, including a career-long 27-yard reception.
In the 27-16 home victory over the Houston Texans, he again had 12 rushes, for the same 46 yards, and caught a team-best five passes for 41 yards.
But in the season finale 31-24 comeback road win that not only knocked the Tampa Bay Buccaneers out of the playoffs but booted Jon Gruden off the sidelines and into the announcer’s booth, McFadden had only one carry for two yards and two catches for 10 yards. Then again, that was the day Michael Bush ran wild for 177 yards, including his breathtaking 67-yard scoring run.
Sorry to bring up a Niner, Raider Nation, but while McFadden doesn’t need to replicate Roger Craig’s 1,000-yard rushing, 1,000-yard receiving season of 1985 a 1,300-yard-from-scrimmage campaign would go a long way in getting the Raider offense going. Especially after he ran the ball 113 times for 499 yards and caught 29 passes for 285 yards as a rookie.
- As you’d expect, the passive-aggressive start to Camp Cable, a full day of meetings before four straight two-a-day practices in helmets and shorts with no contact, raised a few eyebrows among the first-year head coach’s staff.
“They sat there and looked at me at first, and then it was like, `OK,’” Cable admitted. “The majority of these (coaches) have been in the NFL for quite some time, and it’s different. But now that we’re into it, and now that they’ve talked it through, and now that they’ve done it, they’re like, ‘Hopefully we’ll never do this any different.’”
And the genesis of starting off on such a feel-good note?
“I always thought, when I became the head coach permanently, that’s how I would run camp,” Cable said. “It’s easy to just throw them in there and say, `All right, let’s go bang, and let’s go practice, let’s get into camp,’ because that’s what everybody does.
“That’s one way. The way I think…will work for us is, let’s teach them and really get this mental thing under control. Let’s get them in the routine of two-a-days, get their bodies used to getting up, all those things, take care of your veterans, take of your skill guys who are running the entire practice, basically, and see if you can’t take care of all those things. And the bottom line is we’ve taught so much situation football the last few days.”
We’ll see soon enough if it’s been productive.
Posted by Paul Gutierrez
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“and now that they’ve done it, they’re like, ‘Hopefully we’ll never do this any different.’”
What? Clean out your ears Cable, they said “Hopefully we’ll never do this AGAIN.”
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Thanks Madden for the heads up. I think registration did it’s job for the short life it did have though scaring away the trolls.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
DavidWhite: To the naked eye, man, Charlie Frye throws a lot sharper and runs a lot more fluid than Gradkowski, when it comes to backup QBs.
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That is why Garcia is sitting…Frye is going to be the backup QB, not little Jeff.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
# SilverandBlackBleeder Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What happened to the registration feature on the page?
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We’re in a recession. It’s every man for himself. IBA shut it off because web hits have been down since they enacted it. that’s my guess.
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They can’t really like the bathroom humor, no relation to football stuff that goes on without registration.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
The pats know we have talent on the roster… just we have not been able to develope any of it, so he gets great talent on the cheap
Hopefully cable puts a stop to that…
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
The stupidly optimistic part of me thinks Garcia is sitting because we’re going to bring Vick in as a backup. But once again, this is the stupid part of me….A brother can dream though, can’t he?
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
SNB defense, IBA like’s money more than anything else. My guess is that web hits were down during registration, compared to previous years. It’s all or nothing with the mainstream press now. They’re going TMZ. One last chance powerdrive. They know they’re toast. You want Raider info? Start your own blog, get all the info you can ,and ban anyone’s azz who doesn’t discuss football. As long as you’re here, you’re getting the bathroom humor. Bathroom humor = hits = money.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
“No end in sight for Crabtree, 49er’s impass.”–pft.com
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Walter could be the next Matt Cassell with the Pats.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
WR vs CB drills get physical. Chaz gets free for catch on Nnamdi, DHB beats Horton.
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My boy Chaz puttin it down on the best in the league!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
bydavidwhite WR vs CB drills get physical. Chaz gets free for catch on Nnamdi, DHB beats Horton.
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August 3rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Don’t get it twisted…Nnamdi let him catch it haha
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
bydavidwhiteTom Cable just explodes on FB Luke Lawton on lead block. Screaming, cussing, never seen that before. From Cable, that is.
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Hes gonna hurt someone.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Tom Cable just explodes on FB Luke Lawton on lead block. Screaming, cussing, never seen that before. From Cable, that is.
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Haha, my boy Cable putting it down on our 3rd string FB! Love it!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Of course site hits were low. The great one wasnt here to drop knowledge.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Is Nnamdi running a little slow with all that coin in his pockets? lol
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
POUND THE ROCK!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Na, Chaz is hard! He made Barber look stupid in week 17 too. He’ll get by Nnamdi now and again.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Mr, 100% wrong as to what happened to registration. If you guys can remember the system was having some difficulties right before the switch. my guess is that the new servers they deployed failed, so that said they rolled back to the DR, or disaster recovery server. The old server is the disater recovery server. Once the database is created it does not take any more money to do registration, nor does someone sit and manage as the database handles all transations. Depending on the sophistication of the database you can weed out cooks, nutcases, trolls etc through IP, and mac addressing, but that poses another set of problems. This site only had one banner for advert money, and it is still working.
I would imagine they get the old server up, and registrastion will resume.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Darrius! You gotta catch ‘em cuz! Get your head straight bro! Catch first, run later!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
damn just chaz just going for his. thats what im saying!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Sure sounds like DHB is dropping more than he’s catching….
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
niners know he’s another rashad woods !
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
In trench drills, Mario Henderson put Trevor Scott on ground twice. Nice work on the edge.
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Ah, see the LT is a lock!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Post 230, way, way way off…. what indication do we have that site hits are off, outside of Brien the general not posting. You also assume that bahroom humor is what drives the hits up when in fact I hate to say it we sit and wait for jerry to post, who in his mind is some sort of demi god but in fact is one of the biggest trolls. Its not about hits, its about unique hits.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
DHB drops low pass in coverage. That’s four today. At least Chaz looks great.
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Damn Darrius, get your head right before you come onto the field! You’ll get it, we’re counting on you…
Nothing i don’t already expect from you Chaz. Keep it up! 1000+ for you this year.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Brien, where are you getting your info Bro?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Where the eff are you guys getting this info??????
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Dunno if to be glad or sad that Mario is man-hadling Scott. lol
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AZ Raider Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
In trench drills, Mario Henderson put Trevor Scott on ground twice. Nice work on the edge.
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Ah, see the LT is a lock!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
the dischargers had their chance.. now its the silver and black’s chance to make a run!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
What the heck is up with Garcia not participating in anything? Could he be in the dog house? Could he be trying to make some statement? Trade request? Even if hurt, he should atleast be doing non-physical activities.
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@bydavidwhite – Excitement is over, back to position drills. Worth noting Garcia isn’t even doing the non-throwing, teaching drills. Just on a knee.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
IS IT ME.. OR DOES IT LOOK LIKE THIS YEARS SCHEDULE IS GONNA BE A LOT TOUGHER THAN LAST YEARS?????
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Come on Mod, I’m trying to give Thec the link to Jerry and Davids Twitter pages…. Damn sensorship!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Az i got it bro thanks….
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Socialist servers…..
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Chaz = Crabtree x 2… Who wanted Crabtree? Come on admit it….
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
what happened to the tweets? Jerry and David must be wrestling for posistion.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Chaz is HARD no doubt….Just like some of us predicted. Wonder what is up with walker….
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
“Garcia seems like he’s checked out.”-http://twitter.com/raiderbeat
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Where there’s smoke……..
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
ANYONE KNOW BUSH’S STATUS????
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Garcia to minny????
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Funny how everyone blasted us for not taking Crabtree when we all ready had a talented possession guy with tons of potential on the roster who is bigger and faster that the diva from texas…
why do they hate us so? cant wait to rub their noses in it.
Opening night would be a great time to start. Coach Cable needs to start the foaming at the mouth with anger when he talks about that first game. like Marty Shotenheimer used to do when it was Raider week…
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
what happened to the tweets? Jerry and David must be wrestling for posistion.
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I think Jerry and JaMarcus are wrestling for a cheeseburger.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Post 265, I second that….
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
MLB Ricky Brown untouched on blitz sack. Kirk Morrison has blitzed 3 times.
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August 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Who’s this Nick Miller kid? He’s making an impression on everyone… Shyt, we got alot of WR battles for once during camp!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
nick miller, 55 yard catch, Who the eff is nick miller?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Brien,..see those two losers jerry and david white on twitter?…all they do is tweet when dhb drops a pass,..those two need to get a life,..Im watching Shark Week.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Russell rainbow travels 55 yds in air, Nick Miller catches between Eugene, CJohnson.
2 minutes ago from PockeTwit Gradkowski finds DHB for deep middle gain, Fargas pass block gives him time. In full team session finally.
4 minutes ago from PockeTwit Garcia doesn’t appear to be participating in QB audible sessions . .
17 minutes ago from PockeTwit Mario handles TScott on back to back rush drills . . .
25 minutes
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
YO Az, we got some serious comp going at WR.
Was nick miller one of the guys at the russell camp.
CHAZ MOFO SHIZ is the man though…..
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Na Nick’s a walk on, undrafted! Maybe he’ll take Watkins spot? We’ll see… don’t have room on the roster for all these guys.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Garcia cut would be a miracle……..my god anyone with sense didnt want Crabtree.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Dang,..those white sharks are getting big air launching for seals. damn.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
JRUSS sounds sharp….
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Miller was ther. he is supposed to be a reurn guy so JLH can concentrate on WR. Read somewhere that he could be compared to Eddie Royal. that would be a find…
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Defense 5 sacks is six plays wtf……
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Na Thec, Darren McFadden is “The Man” LOL, but Chaz is sick too!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
DHB makes second catch over middle when no one picked him up in zone. 2nd team secondary not communicating well.
3 minutes ago from mobile web Tommy Kelly gives defense fifth sack in six plays.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
RaiderTW Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Russell rainbow travels 55 yds in air, Nick Miller catches between Eugene, CJohnson.
2 minutes ago from PockeTwit Gradkowski finds DHB for deep middle gain, Fargas pass block gives him time. In full team session finally.
4 minutes ago from PockeTwit Garcia doesn’t appear to be participating in QB audible sessions . .
17 minutes ago from PockeTwit Mario handles TScott on back to back rush drills . . .
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Go on ahead then Russell make it happen. Mario vs Scott should be fun all year. They can make each other infinitely better. DHB way to hold on man!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Az, Chaz is the man at WR…….
DMAC in the man at RB……
But JRUSS he is “THE MAN”…..
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Ha, ok Thec, I’ll give you that…
Wait till Walker gets out there next week. He’s gonna make a run for the #2 spot opo Chaz!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
This sure is a lot more fun than the walk throughs.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Andrew Walter signs with Patriots…LOL
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Have not heard Z. millers name or Murphys name mentioned yet.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Az, Its all good Bro…….
N more IOT, your right this is fun….
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Thats actually a good fit for both NE, an walter.
Neither of which will win, that bumps cleo lemon out
of NE
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
LOL
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SS Tyvon Branch stayed with McFadden on sideline go route for Inc. Not easy to do.
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Depth Chart battle for a Saftey spot! C’mon Branch, show us what you got!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Keep an eye on this Nick Miller kid, dude is catching everything thrown his way.
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I’m posting to quickly? Slow down on this!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
9 all the damn time, i am trying to get to the gym but i cant put this stuff down…
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Miller should be the most prepared WR at camp! He had Southwick to throw him passes before camp started. That alone should get him a HOF spot right?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
defense stoppin da run??
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Good saftey competitioon will mean good depth… like what i hear so far. If we win the opener against the chargettes I’ll be as giddy as a school girl.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Infield,
I neeeeeeed that win just to keep sane!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
post 294, ROFLMAO…..Classic
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
294? Waz so funny thec?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
sounds like the same o-line to me????,… not good…
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
ellis.. how is he coming along????
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:03 pm
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August 3rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Thec, aren’t you the same dude that was the leader of the Nation Collective?
Keep Kiffin and all of that?
I loved Kiffin by the way.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
looks like its gonna be walker and chaz starting and they better not cut nick miller
August 4th, 2009 at 5:52 am
DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:
Cut Jon Condo already. Morris was a longsnapper at MSU.
Have you ever seen Morris LS? At best he is an semi adequate back up.
There is a reason nearly every team in the NFL has used a 53 man roster slot for a dedicated LS. It is that important a position!!! 4 and long backed up against your end zone or 3 seconds to go in regulation for a game winning field goal is not the time to have a “good enough” position player come in and attempt to get the ball in the punter/holder hands.