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Burgess compensation not disclosed

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Various reports put the Raiders’ compensation for Derrick Burgess from the New England Patriots as a third- and fourth-round draft pick, a third and a fifth, maybe even as high as a second. The way the Patriots released the info _ as future draft considerations _ hinted at a sliding scale based on how Burgess plays at his new home.

Raiders coach Tom Cable shed no light on the deal after practice, saying, “As far as the details, it was still being finalized when I cameout here. We wish him well and we’re moving forward.”

Chances are Cable and the Raiders wrote Burgess off as far back at the mandatory minicamp, when he suddenly became “ill” and couldn’t practice, instead standing apart from the rest of the team as they went through the paces. Burgess had long ago stopped attending anything that was voluntary.

Technically, Burgess could be on the hook for nine days worth of fines at as much as $15,888 per day. More likely, it was written off in the deal process.

Considering the silence that came from the Burgess camp since he was a no-show, and the steadfast refusal of Cable to address it, it’s conceivable the Raiders and Burgess had reached an agreement of sorts _ stay away from camp, don’t trash us, we won’t trash you, and we’ll get you moved when we find a deal we can live with.

Second practice news and notes:

– So much for all the crisp execution. The arrival of the NFL officials brought out the flags. Lots of them. At one point there were five in a relatively short period of time.

– Darren McFadden has exhibited sure hands since he arrived in Oakland, but has had a handful of drops in the last two days, including another Thursday afternoon when he stone-handed a dig route from JaMarcus Russell.

– Russell has thrown some erratic passes but made pretty good decisions from the outset. That wasn’t the case when he rolled right, attempted to lob a pass to Chaz Schilens, and had it picked off by Ricky Brown in a seven-on-seven drill.

– Russell somehow found a small crease and threw a bullet to Jonathan Holland at the goal line between two defenders on the next play.

– On one play at the goal line, Russell attempted to find Louis Murphy at the stick only to have Tyvon Branch break on the ball and knock it away. Murphy looked at observers on the sideline and waved it off, “Don’t overrate that stuff. He knows the (bleeping) plays.”

– Bruce Gradkowski made some of his better throws in cap during a red zone session, including a perfect post to Schilens, who had one drop but continues to look like the best wide receiver in camp. He also connected with Shawn Bayes on a 50-yard rainbow along the sideline near midfield.

– Rookie first-round pick Darrius Heyward-Bey has not only been holding on to the ball, but is gradually making cleaner catches with fewer bobbles.

– Defensive end Jay Richardson, when asked if the Raiders defensive system had undergone much change under John Marshall: “We all know this is Al’s defense. And we love it.”

Richardson, by the way, said he had minor knee surgery in June (he was injured at an OTA), which could help explain why his snaps have been limited and he has been seeing time with the second and third teams.

Said Richardson regarding Burgess’ departure: “You don’t replace a Derrick Burgess. He’s a guy I look up to a lot and he’s a fantastic player. At the same time Greg’s a professional. Greg brings a ton to the table as far as leadership and he’s a very skilled guy to. And I’m going to be doing everything I can to make sure we don’t miss too much of a beat.”

– Since Burgess was on the reserve/failure to report list, he didn’t count on the 80-man roster and there is no available roster spot with his departure.

– Defensive tackle Terdell Sands did not practice. Cable said he was “sore.”

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  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    HOPE HE HAS A GOOD YEAR IN N.E. IF PICK OR OICK’S ARE CONDITIONAL..

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I sure hope Murphy is kept on the bench ONLY BECAUSE DHB outplays him.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    “Sore”?? WTF??

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    We got good “value” out of Burgess. He was probably underpaid at times, especially the early few years when he led the league in sacks, and now we save a few bucks this year, and get a pick or two later. Not bad for once.

  • cpixton33

    I have to say this is only the second time i have been excited, with so much hope for what we are doing this offseason

  • cpixton33

    I mean second time in the last six years

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I agree Vegas.

  • cpixton33

    For all of the heat al gets for some of his moves, the way he handled burgess was perfect. If all would have given in and gave him a huge contract then we would still be hurting from it.

  • Infinite Raider

    Agree Vegas. Also, for clamoring for Garcia. Talk to the calf. Go JR. Go Raiders!

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  • RaiderRobG

    This just in from John Madden:

    “They just got a good thing going there. They got this Bush that’s running over everything, I tell you, you don’t want to get run over by a bush because you get all those sticks and leaves in your mouth, and then this guy Mitchell who reminds me of a young Ronnie Lott with all his fingers and toes, but don’t let that fool you, cause I think he’ll gonna knock the snot out of a lot of people. Then out of nowhere comes this kid Murphy who catches the ball, and really has no fear, if it’s up there he’s going to get it.
    Of course you can’t not talk about the big guys, I mean you got an offensive lineman who throws the ball like Elway, and a line that has a lot to prove, but I think we’re going to see something that reminds the fans of the old nastys, the Mosbar’s and Wisnewski’s and the Gogan’s.
    The only thing that concerns me is the tight end position. I’m not sold on the guy Miller, I think his missing something, like a perma-mullet and a porn mustache. You get all those ingredients and I think you’re cooking something. So hopefully by thanksgiving we’ll be giving the Raiders a turducken or two and they can use it to clobber guys, especially that bush, because no one thinks they’re going to find a turducken hiding in a bush, that’s really the last place anyone would look, and I think that’s to the raiders advantage.”

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com Silver-n-Black666

    Turd Sands has to go!!

  • JT52

    Should have sent Burgess, Sands, and a third to NE for Wilfork!

  • JT52

    They intentionally drafted Ron Brace to replace the man!

  • toec

    San Francisco mum on report about Crabtree sitting entire season out

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/08/06/niners.mum.ap/index.html

    omfg, watching this guy in the draft with his bling and pouty attitude made me think he’d be a diva headache. now… damn… if he’s really considering sitting out a year to try to get top 5 money as the #10 pick?

    lol

  • RaiderRobG

    John Madden:

    “They just got a good thing going there. They got this Bush that’s running over everything, I tell you, you don’t want to get run over by a bush because you get all those sticks and leaves in your mouth, and then this guy Mitchell who reminds me of a young Ronnie Lott with all his fingers and toes, but don’t let that fool you, cause I think he’ll gonna knock the snot out of a lot of people. Then out of nowhere comes this kid Murphy who catches the ball, and really has no fear, if it’s up there he’s going to get it.
    Of course you can’t not talk about the big guys, I mean you got an offensive lineman who throws the ball like Elway, and a line that has a lot to prove, but I think we’re going to see something that reminds the fans of the old nastys, the Mosbar’s and Wisnewski’s and the Gogan’s.
    The only thing that concerns me is the tight end position. I’m not sold on the guy Miller, I think his missing something, like a perma-mullet and a porn mustache. You get all those ingredients and I think you’re cooking something. So hopefully by thanksgiving we’ll be giving the Raiders a turducken or two and they can use it to clobber guys, especially that bush, because no one thinks they’re going to find a turducken hiding in a bush, that’s really the last place anyone would look, and I think that’s to the raiders advantage.”

  • DarthPirate

    The problem is that getting rid of Terdell means we have to find someone better. Believe it or not, that might be tough to do unless we make a trade. Free agency doesn’t exactly have a ton of decent d linemen.

    Terd at least takes up some space out there.

  • DarthPirate

    Hell, it’s possible neither of them end up starting if Javon really is healthy. We could end up with Javon, Schilens, and then Higgins as a slot guy.

    They’ll both get plenty of playing time either way.
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    KoolKell Says:
    August 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I sure hope Murphy is kept on the bench ONLY BECAUSE DHB outplays him.

  • 504 Raider

    There is no telling what the compensation is for Burgess. Al Davis and Belicheat are the two most no-talkingest-muthaf&#@ers in the league.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    If the compensation is anything like the previous deals with NE , they probably got a handful of corn.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I sure hope Murphy is kept on the bench ONLY BECAUSE DHB outplays him.
    ——————————————————–

    Murphy is farther along in his development because of the coaching and players around him. Heyward-Bey would be more NFL ready if I was the Q at Maryland last year. Murphy had Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow to work with. Think that makes a difference??

  • Chris in NY

    3rd and 4th or 3rd and 5th seems pretty fair for both teams. Although, Jerry’s other report said those picks would be in 2011 (rather than 2010). That sounds odd. Typo?

  • Chris in NY

    Just read Kyle Orton got “loudly booed” by about 13,000 Donkeys fans for playing poorly in practice. LMAO. F-ing Broncos and their fans.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Chris as much as I did not like Jay Cun*ler, he is a better option at Q than Orton, Chris Simms and Tom Branstater.

  • lefty12

    just got home after being gone since Sunday.sounds like things are going very well.glad to see Burgess being traded,not so happy about Barnes.very happy registration is back.go Raiders.

  • lefty12

    stick to Raider talk little bobbie.

  • Sweep The Leg.

    Is anybody looking for an extra Cowboy ticket? I also need to get rid of a reg. season ticket against the Broncos.

  • Sweep The Leg.

    Wow, why did they delete that norcobob?

  • DKnight007

    Yeah, getting the truth about the deal out of the old stubborn man and belicheat is going to be ridiculous and probably a waste of time. Both are stubborn egomaniacs!

    All I know is that the picks better be for the 2010 draft and NOT the 2011 draft!

  • lefty12

    anybody see where the rat is visiting different camps to stay”in touch”with the league and he plans to return next year.wonder when he plans to visit Santa Rosa?

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    you mean Napa? right

  • destrilogy

    Why the fuck does vince young think hes going to the HOF?

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Because no one else does.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Oakglenn Says:
    August 6th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Murphy is farther along in his development because of the coaching and players around him. Heyward-Bey would be more NFL ready if I was the Q at Maryland last year. Murphy had Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow to work with. Think that makes a difference??
    ————————-
    Yeah, it makes a difference, what 50 million?

  • RaiderRobG

    Well the bad thing is we wasted 50 million, the other bad thing is two years from now when we’ll need that money for Murphy.

  • CJ Legend 34

    *********Raider Nation Never Forget!!!!!!************

    I hope all of our rookies do well this year more than any other year. I hope DHB turns out to be the truth. I hope Murphy turns out to be just as good. I hope the whole rookie class goes on to be monsters and I hope they do it with the Raiders. I hope DHB turns out to be so good that I am watching him giving a speech crying in Canton, thanking the late Al Davis for giving him a shot. You know why? I will never forget the way they doged the Raiders on draft day and into the week. I will never forget Chris Carter one of the best players and egos to ever play the game flapping his big mouth doging out a younger man starting out just like he did because of what he heard. Not to mention Chris Carter has a son who may be going through this process in about three or four years if he is worth it at OSU this year. Another loud mouth in a suite who can’t be happy with his past accomplishments. Now we see Mr Crabtree and his big mouth crew giving SF heck over signing his contract. DHB was done and ready to go on day 1 second practice. I met Crabtree’s agent Eugene Parker in Ft. Wayne, IN back in the day he was also the agent of Rod Woodson (went to school with him, Dion Sanders, Emmit Smith, etc. No way would he try to make terms like siting out a whole year. Parker makes monewy off of getting guys signed right and on time. He will negotiate hard but if you wasnt to get paid for the time you put in with your client why would you hold him out a whole year? So I see why teams were avoiding Crabtree and his merry band. I siad this before and I will say it again. The Raiders have been known to draft anybody that has a big name rather they fit in the system or not. Now they have a strategy, they are going after guys that are big fast but they also have to have heart and character!!!! Listen to DHB, Murphy, Murry, Mitchell. These guys when they talk sound like good guys man. Listen to DHB talk man you can tell people have put a lot into this kid he listend man. Yeah I am cheering for the whole class. I am tired of watching the media make money off of doging the Raiders year after year. I am tired of players not contributing in a positive way on the team and running to the Patriots system for instant success. I want ESPN to eat there words and I want them to show up begging to get an interview from the silver and black when they make the play-offs. Skip who we did not get they are history man! Start cheering for the whole d@mn team!!! Go Raiders!!!

    Am I a little pi$$ed for my squad yeah! I been cheering for them since I started little league football.