Practice update
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick update on Thursday morning’s practice:
– The Raiders were light on the offensive line with Robert Gallery (appendix surgery) Paul McQuistan (knee), Khalif Barnes (broken ankle) and Mark Wilson (back spasms) all out.
– Those who suited up but did not practice were quarterback Jeff Garcia (calf), cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha (hip flexor) and cornerback Chris Johnson (knee).
Both Garcia and Javon Walker are “close” to being able to practice (Walker would have to be activated from PUP) but coach Tom Cable would not specify a time.
Linebacker Isaiah Ekejuiba was back at practice after missing the previous two sessions with a shoulder problem, and Gerard Warren, who was ill and didn’t practice Wednesday, was back.
– Linebacker Jon Alston, who had been scuffles in the previous two practices, was running second team at strong sidelinebacker while Ricky Brown was working with the first team.
– Darrius Heyward-Bey appears to have to put aside the issue of dropped passes that plagued his early sessions, but the most impressive rookie receiver continues to be fourth-round pick Louis Murphy.
– Linebacker Thomas Howard perfectly read a JaMarcus Russell pass intended for Zack Miller and broke on it for an interception, only to have it bounce off his arms. Hiram Eugene also had a read on a Russell pass to Brandon Myers _ but there’s the thing about Russell _ his arm is so strong he squeezed it past Eugene for a big completion.
– Will have limited practice highlights today because of an obstructed view but some news and notes following transcription and organization of player interviews. There’s also a yearly meeting with the officials for the media discussing points of emphasis and rules changes.
– No Twitter practice updates because the system was apparently crashed by hackers.
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August 6th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Brown at MLB
August 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Brown I think will be a better fit at MLB if he bulks up a little,imo
August 6th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Jerry, you need to stay on twitter, it is back up. David White is on, and is going to eat your lunch….
August 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Speaking of Cliff Branch, Can you match the stats with the names.
J. Stallworth
L. Swan
C. Branch
Freddie B
Rec yrds avg TD
501 8685 17.3 67
Rec yrds avg TD
393 5621 14.3 50
Rec yrds avg TD
336 5462 16.3 51
Rec yrds avg TD
537 8723 16.2 63
All but Branch are in the HOF.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
No news.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
ProFootballTalk claims that the Craptree advisors are saying he is willing to sit out the ‘09 season? http://tinyurl.com/mzftj6
LOL!
I hope he does. Maybe then, we can pick him up in the 7th round next year like we did with Bo. But in this guys case, I would love to cut him. lol
August 6th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Double R,
I think its a good Idea compitition breeds the best and franlky Morrison needs pushed just like everybody else and if Brown can stop the run better than so be it LB by commity like Cable said find the right combo!! and run with it!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
MURPHY OFFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!!!
(AZ you heard it here first)
August 6th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
501 for Branch.But I cheated,I thought it was 501 receiptions but I had 2 peek
August 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
and in the end, Murphy, Heyward-Bey, Javon, Johnnie Lee and the rest are of little consequence unless the ball is delivered in a timely fashion.
Super Mario and the Mop Handles, the Raider’s very own quintet have to play their gig in tune and then it’s all on Mr Russell to git ‘er done.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Are we back on? Couldn’t get Twitter at practice this morning, others had same problem. Sorry for the non-coverage.
34 minutes ago from web
August 6th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Justin Fargas
SELECTED BY CINCINNATI , ROUND 3, PICK 33, OVERALL PICK 96
RB | (6-0, 219, 4.38) | USC
By Pro Football Weekly
Notes: Justin’s father, Antonio, is an actor, and played the role of Huggy Bear in the 1970s TV series “Starsky and Hutch.” High school All-American sprinter who ran a 10.47 100-meter dash. Went to Michigan in 1998, and as a true freshman, carried 77 times for 277 yards and one touchdown, caught one pass for five yards and returned 16 kickoffs for 311 yards in 10 games, including one start. Broke his right leg (tibia and fibula) vs. Wisconsin in the 10th game that year. His knee did not heal well, and he had to have three surgeries because of it. The first surgery required the insertion of 12 screws and two titanium rods. After four months, the knee still was not healing properly, so his leg was rebroken, and two metal plates were inserted. The third surgery was done to fix tendons in his big toe that were damaged as a result of the breaks. Saw backup action as a running back and safety at Michigan in 2000 after sitting out the 1999 season to rehab. Requested the move to safety midway through the 2000 season. Had 18 carries for 85 yards, seven kickoff returns for 124 yards and 10 tackles in 2000. Came to USC in ‘01 but had to sit out as a transfer. Underwent a fourth surgery at USC in ‘01 to straighten his right big toe (a residual effect from broken legs). Had a good spring in ‘02 at running back, including two outstanding scrimmages. However, strained his right hamstring and missed the opener vs. Auburn. Served as backup from Games Two through Seven and vs. Notre Dame. Started five games late in the season and finished the year rushing 161-715-7, catching 8-101 and returning kickoffs 7-132. Was named second-team All-Pacific-10 and had an impressive showing at the Senior Bowl, which really improved his stock. Continued to rise at the Scouting Combine, where he ran under 4.4 in the 40, benchpressed 225 pounds 27 times and recorded a broad jump of 11 feet, five inches. Can remind you of Robert Smith with his gait, but is not the same all-everything runner. Situation is similar to that of Jets RB Curtis Martin, who wasn’t highly thought of coming out of Pitt because he was always dinged up. Since then, he has been one of the most durable and productive runners in the NFL after being drafted in the third round, 74th overall, by New England in 1995.
Positives: Outstanding speed. Has a lot of upside, good initial quickness. Well-built with a “V” shape. Showed good strength and agility at the Scouting Combine. Good athletic ability. Has come on and really improved. Runs hard with vision, has some blocking ability and OK hands. Doesn’t have a lot of football mileage. Good kid. Talented.
Negatives: Not durable. Immature and did not have great production. Has had a lot of injuries. Had to have right leg rebroken after four months because it wasn’t healing correctly. Lacks toughness. Runs upright and narrow-based and gets crushed. Thin lower body.
Summary: Fargas showed great speed, strength and agility in the second half of the season and improved his stock more than anyone at the Combine. One team will overlook his durability questions, which must be weighed, and draft him higher than some
August 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
4eva,
I like the Ibanez V200S solid top.
Dreadnought body
Solid spruce top
Body, sides, and Neck are all Mahogany
Abalone Rosette
Rosewood bridge and fretboard.
All black, and it’s $199 new.
What do you think.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
RRS we only have Kirk at MLB and why not give Brown some looks there just in case something happens to Kirk later, especially with Alstons emergence at Rickys old spot OLB. i feel a whole lot better going into the season knowing R Brown can step in at MLB and not be lost.
i think Alstons play also made Frantz J expandable with Eke also in the mix as a ST ace at the position…
damn we all must be trying to post at the same time or something lol….ok here goes att #6…
August 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
4evaRaider Says:
501 for Branch.But I cheated,I thought it was 501 receiptions but I had 2 peek
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As you can see Branch has the most impressive stats, but can’t get into the HOF. I just don’t get it. There’s also 2 season when he led the league in TD’s
August 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Raider O,I’ve never seen one.I thought you were thinking acoustic
August 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
4eva,
I also like Yamaha FG730S solid top.
It’s rosewood sides and back. It’s more that I want to spend.
It’s $299.
Is it better than the Ibaneza?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“Hiram Eugene also had a read on a Russell pass to Brandon Myers _ but there’s the thing about Russell _ his arm is so strong he squeezed it past Eugene for a big completion.”
A luxury most qb’s don’t have
August 6th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Raider O
What are your plans with the acoustic, to record or to just play?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
– Will have limited practice highlights today because of an obstructed view but some news and notes following transcription and organization of player interviews
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The Raiders are the most insular and secretive organization in sports.
Personally, I think they are missing the boat with their unwillingness to market and promote themselves
August 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I dont get it either McRaider and Branch was the 1st of his kind,Def.cords. didnt now how 2 stop the guy and thats when you started seeing a lot of zones.I mean 4crying out loud Cliff Branch revolutionized the WR position on offence and because of him defences in the NFL had to add a new philosophy.
Most definitely Cliff Branch and Lester Hayes brought in a new era of fundamental thinking 4 offence and defence and vise-versa
August 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
For those who have never been to a practice,..the “obstructed view”,..lol..poor Jerry,..its a tiny little space where they cram all the freeloaders in…its like a little quarantined area…and they are elbow to elbow with their little blackberries or iphones…and they cant see entire practice area,…but they all stand there, patient…because they know after being humiliated in that little space for a few hours, they get fed.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
DirtyRaccoon
Fukkin AWESOME piece on my boy Fargas!!! Tougher than nails he is and the same amount of desire.It’s no wonder he been voted twice 4 whatever the name of that award is =)
August 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
hey DA DOGG is in da house!!!!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Honest Question,
The way things are right now who would be willing to bet that Murphy has a better, longer career than Crabbypatty???
I say if I had to bet It would be Murphy!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
how heavy are those guitars O???
August 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Love it
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4381335
August 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Dogg,
I want to learn how to play.
4eva,
All these guitars are acoustic.
I also like Epiphone EL-00 and the Mitchell MO100S.
Both have solid spruce tops.
Mahogany body, neck, and sides.
The Mitchell is Orchestra!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
4eva!
How are you my friend?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
4eva,
Not very heavy or big, perfect for my size and hands.
The only brand I know is Yamaha, but it seems I get more for my money with the other 3 brands.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Raider O
Check out this link:
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ovation-Celebrity-SE-Mid-Depth-Bowl-AcousticElectric-Guitar?sku=516737
Spend a little bit more than you wanted to, but you will thank me later. This guitar is super easy to play, sounds great, is also an electric guitar with built in EQ/Tuner and killer, easy recording capabilities for when you are ready to record you newest song. I own one of these and I love it. It sounds so clean. When I record acoustic I strictly use this guitar. I own others that are more expensive and supposedly better, but I always end up back with teh Ovation.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
well 2 tell you the truth,these sound like new guitars and the last acoustiec I bought was like 20 years ago.The thing is ,I bought an applause,a knock off version of an ovation.Ovations cost around 400.00,maybe get a used 1 for 200.00.The applause cost me 65.00,is extremely easy 2 play and sounds “almost” as good as the ovation,easyier 2 play but didnt sound as good but 300.00 difference in cost.Look at an applause
August 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Raider Dogg I see we are on the same page when it comes 2 accoustics
Hope every thing is good bro…any sailing???
August 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Crabtree prepared to sit out the season and re-enter next years draft!
LMAO
The 9ers blew their 1st round pick & props to AL for passing on him!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I have an Ovation Celeb & the round back makes it very hard to sit & play with. The sound is excellent but If I had the chance to do over I wouldnt.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Dogg,
The Black 1 is $600!!!!!!
I can’t spend more than a few hundreds on my 1st guitar.
What if I break it. $600 will make me cry for an entire year. Every month I would cry $50 worth.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
4eva
Great minds think alike bro. Haven’t been out on the water in a while. Sipping on a daquiri today? Have one for me, things are getting stressy around here and it’s going to be a while before I can have one of my own.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Raider O Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Dogg,
The Black 1 is $600!!!!!!
I can’t spend more than a few hundreds on my 1st guitar.
What if I break it. $600 will make me cry for an entire year. Every month I would cry $50 worth.”
Do you have a Best Buy in your area? Many Best Buy’s have added a new music instrument department, sort of like a mini Guitar Center. I purchased my black one for $299 and the dude threw in a Body Glove case for free!
Mistabrown is right by the way. The rounded back can make it difficult to play sitting down it is somewhat slick on the rounded back. Personally I just use a strap if I am having a hard time.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Crabtree is a dumbass
August 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Watch the Raiders draft Crabtree in the 2010 draft. In the 4th round!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
73 picks before Huggy,
Willis Mcgahee
SELECTED BY SEATTLE , ROUND 1, PICK 23, OVERALL PICK 23
RB | (6-0, 220, 4.49) | Miami (FL)
By Pro Football Weekly
Notes: (Forty time is from spring 2002.) A third-year sophomore who decided to enter the NFL draft despite tearing multiple ligaments in his left knee Jan. 3, 2003, in the Fiesta Bowl. Redshirted in 2000 and played in eight games in ‘01 as the team’s No. 3 running back behind Clinton Portis and Frank Gore. Some scouts think he declared because he was not the best running back at Miami and knew he wouldn’t win the starting job back. Rushed 67 times for 314 yards and three touchdowns and caught one pass for seven yards. In ‘02, was an All-American and Heisman Trophy finalist after rushing 262-1,686-27 and catching 24-350. Also a finalist for the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award and Doak Walker Award.
Positives: Had No. 1-overall talent before injuring knee. His combination of size, speed and strength was rare. Tackling McGahee was like running with the bulls. He could outrun you or run you over. His vision, balance, patience and ability to cut and change directions was pro grade. Ran like a cross between Terrell Davis and Walter Payton. Is a diligent worker who is motivated when he believes he has something to prove. Works hard in the weight room and was ahead of schedule in his rehab according to doctors.
Negatives: Is unlikely to play in 2003, although he says he will, and may never regain the elite speed and cutback ability that made him such a weapon. Lacked mental toughness and was not mature as a college player but could grow up quickly under the circumstances. Doesn’t show any polish as a receiver and his pass-blocking was marginal. May stop driving once he hits the pile after such a serious injury to his lower body, which could also hinder his cutback ability.
Summary: McGahee had rare RB skills prior to blowing out his left knee, and he is working hard and might contribute this season. His place on draft boards will be very subjective. Expect a team who can be patient, and with a deep backfield, to take a chance on him on the first day
Good one Al.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
I hear ya Dogg on the stressy but hopefully it wont last 4long.I’m STILL laid-off so I’m down 2 1 bottle of da Captain a week so no drink 2day and not till sunday…
Do you have that Ovation??? Dogg
Mistabrown: if you stand up the round back of the Ovation or the Applause makes it very easy 2 play,imo
August 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
4evaRaider Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
DirtyRaccoon
Fukkin AWESOME piece on my boy Fargas!!! Tougher than nails he is and the same amount of desire.It’s no wonder he been voted twice 4 whatever the name of that award is =)
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I think it is call the “One Tuff Mother FU(ker” award!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Maybe DHB wasn’t the right pick but its clear that Crabtree would have been worse. The guy has some b@lls to pull this stunt. If I was the 49ers, I’d let him go. I think Crabtree feels like he can get away with this because hes not physically healthy and probably won’t play much anyways so why not?
At this point, in reality, Eugene Monroe would have been the safer pick because him and Henderson would have solidified our line better than Henderson and Barnes/Green but it doesn’t hurt to have a Ferrari I guess.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
So where are the kudos to Davis and Cable for not picking the prima donna WR that won’t even sign?
As usual, nothing but crickets.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Dogg you bought an Ovation for 300.00 new!?!?!?!?!!?
Raider O: make sure you check out an Applause tho,for a 1st guitar you cant go wrong.Half to 2/3rds cheaper than an Ovation but not as good as sound,but they do sound good =)
August 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Dogg,
If it is as great as you and 4eva say it’s, and I can get a black one for $300, then I guess I’m going to start shopping for an Ovation.
4eva, Dogg & Mista,
Thank you for the info, I appreciate it.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I think it is call the “One Tuff Mother FU(ker” award!
lololololololoololololol but fer sure,like
August 6th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
With guitars and most musical instruments its not how much you paid for it or what brand it is. What should matter most is the tone pleasing to you.
Knowing this I would never buy an instrument online I myself have to see and touch hear the instrumental and get to know it before purchasing it.
The instrument usually chooses you. I have a Gibson acoustic (The one with the dove on the pick guard) I bought 21 years ago I still play it every day.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“Hiram Eugene also had a read on a Russell pass to Brandon Myers _ but there’s the thing about Russell _ his arm is so strong he squeezed it past Eugene for a big completion.”
A luxury most qb’s don’t have
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exactly. now those easy to read hitches and comebacks, quick slants etc become even more dangerous. and we wont care if it rains or snows either and keep mixing it up and stay unpredictable regardless of the weather conditions. let him loose his baby fat while in the meantime we can attack both lines in draft and FA and b4 you know we are back in the mix.
and as for Crabtree, i think he senses he will never ever see a second contract and wants as much as he can with his first and only one.
layter Nayshon!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I used 2 have a 12 string ovation,bought it 4 600.00 and someone stole it
August 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
AZ Raider Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
HOF inducties should not and ARE not just about #’s. It should be about a player/coaches/asst. coaches/owners legacy. Was watching Chronicle Live last night and Greg Papa eluded to the same thing about Tom Flores. Probably never make it, but his legacy says he should. 2 SB’s, first hispanic QB in the AFL and first hispanic Head Coach in NFL.
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Exactly, that’s why Lynn Swann is in the HOF. The acrobatic catches in the Super Bowl. Although Cliff Branch’s number are better.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Most places that sell instruments have room to haggle. They originally offered me the guitar for $389.99. I said I had $300 to spend and after a little back and forth Boom, new Ovation. Part of the deal was I had to buy some strings and a strap then he just threw in a pretty nice Body Glove soft shell case that clinched it for me.
Walked out of there with everything for under $350. Raider O don’t you sell cars? Same concept, much smaller scale…
August 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Badmood, are you blind or dumb ? Or both? Looks like Kudos to me..
# Mistabrown Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Crabtree prepared to sit out the season and re-enter next years draft!
LMAO
The 9ers blew their 1st round pick & props to AL for passing on him!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I wonder what Crabass will do the first time Singletary pulls his pants down in front of him?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I just bought a reverse explorer from zzounds about 8 months ago.The reason I bought it on-line was because Gibson FINALLY brought back Dirty-Fingers pick-ups.I put 1 in the treble position on my 1978 Les Paul Custom,dirtest sounding mother EVER,imo
August 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Martin guitars are good … but of course – they have the same name as a certain former Super Bowl MVP!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
24,
We have three Ferraris named DHB, McFadden and Russell…but no garage to keep them from getting all banged up!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
SNB666
You fukker. I want that Gibson acoustic, thank you very much. Funny how it isn’t always about how much the guitar cost but you do get what you pay for. Gibson is my favorite brand of guitars by far, at least electric. I have a Fender, Ovation and a Jackson but I dream of a ‘57 Les Paul Re-issue with dual humbuckers. Preferably the Gibson Warren Haynes signature model Les Paul with the built in pre-amp and designed to all of Warren’s specs. I just can’t justify spending the $3,000 to do it.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Maybe no garage – but there’s always Big Al’s doghouse!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
4eva
I like your style bro. Keep that sh1t dirty.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
BadMoodGuy Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
So where are the kudos to Davis and Cable for not picking the prima donna WR that won’t even sign?
As usual, nothing but crickets.
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You missed the bus brother there where many more as well!!!
1. OAKlifer Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:51 am
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got caught up Lynn post of the day!!!!!!!!! Crabbypatty at it again he is NOT the next Bo Jackson WTF is this kid thinking he already has one bum Wheel complile that with sitting out a year and getting slower and older and fatter and stupider !!!!!!LOLHAHAHAH
I LOVE IT AL HAS SHOWIN EVERYBODY HE HAS NOT LOST IT IF WR WAS THE PICK HE MADE THE RIGH CHOICE!!! (for the record I wanted a tackle)
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!
or for you Mr. Crabbs
CFL BOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL I LOVE MY LIFE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. OAKlifer Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
happy happy birthday from all of us too yu we wish it was our birthday so we could party too hey!!!!!
DHB 1
Crabbypatty 0, nil, nathan, notta zero, empty, zip zilch
gotta love it!!!!!!!!!!!! Even tho I wanted a Tackle if WR was the pick to be made Al made the right choice!!!!!!! thats that!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Dogg,
Which Ovation do you think I should look at? There are too many. Shalow have a smaller back.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
… and for the 10th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers pick … their noses!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
try all of them O and see what your hand likes =)
August 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Can you guys imagine if this Craptree fiascoe had happened with the Raiders they would be taking Al Davis to task.
Hes actually making the Raiders look like geniuses.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Dogg,
Thx for telling me that. I will negotiate with that poor salesman till he gives it away or kicks me out. lol
August 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Raider O
SNB666 is right, you need to go to s store and sit down with some options. What sounds good to you is what’s most important. Personally the one I bought is the black one I showed you earlier. But I arrived at that conclusion after playing many differen kinds. As it turned out a guy that I was recording with had an Ovation that looked like it had leaves carved out of the body, instead of your normal hole in the center. That’s what lead me to Ovation. Here is a pic of my buddy’s Ovation, which was much more expensive than mine yet it sounds much the same as mine:
http://www.ovationguitars.com/index.cfm?fa=detail2&mid=2061
August 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I personally find the whole Crabtree thing hilarious.
Starting to make Davis look like a genius for not picking him.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Dakota – Jamarcus Russell is FAR from being a Ferrari bro. Hes a tank and his arm is the cannon.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
that is one beautifull b!tch Dogg!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Maybe not a Ferrari … how about a Humvee?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Raider O Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Dogg,
Thx for telling me that. I will negotiate with that poor salesman till he gives it away or kicks me out. lol”
Sometimes you HAVE to leave and come back later, let them know that you aren’t fukking around. My advice would to figure out EXACTLY which guitar you want before you start the haggling. Know your sh1t and bring the confidence with you.
I know you know this, I figured I better mention it anyway…
August 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
300.00 is the deal of the century!!! Why you robbed that poor salesman =)
August 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
McFadden and DHB are fast and flashy…thats what makes them Ferrari’s. Bush would be something like a mack truck. Higgins is an F-22 Fighter Jet because he stays under the Radar but is extremely fast and a playmaker. See how the game works?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Craptree was a 10th because people thought he was a Diva. What does he think he will be next year once he has proven them right.
Singletary you should have known as soon as he told you that ‘Fashion’ was his favorite hobby.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Wait … that means that Kwame is an Edsel and Khalif is a huge Chevy Suburban up on blocks, right?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Hey Raidertay!
It all fits — Crabtree’s hobby is “fashion” and Singletary’s is “flashin’”!!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
bydavidwhite .
Quick hits from Raiders camp. Blog it at http://bit.ly/QgiAK ?
about 1 hour ago from web
August 6th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Dogg,
Thank you. That’s exactly why I’m asking all these questions. I don’t want some salesman telling anything. I want an assistant to show me, and charge me. lol
August 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
all i can say is:
thank god we didn’t take crabtree…
the guy is about to ruin his own life over his own ego…
can you see what the result would be if he injures himself just a little… playing basketball, or getting into a car accident???
can you see anyone taking a chance on him next year after something like that…
and then combine it with his bullschitt this year…
a full year off from football is a big sacrifice…
much too big…
this guy lowers his own value just by breathing…
August 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
http://vintage-guitars.blogspot.com/2005/11/gibson-dove-guitar.html
August 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Maybe we should all just start referring to him as
Piece of Crap Tree!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
oooops
This is better sorry about the fat Elvis!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3865/1712/1600/GibsonDoveGuitar.jpg
August 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
if the raiders had taken crabtree…
i think he would have pulled an elway…
refused the draft…
then again elway had mad baseball skills (yankees AAA team)…
crabtree… maybe he can rap…
burgers that is !!!
hahahahahahahahahaahaha !!!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Craptree is such a Hater….
“We are prepared to do it,” Wells said. “Michael just wants fair-market value. They took him with the 10th pick and you have Darrius Heyward-Bey [the seventh overall pick by the Oakland Raiders] getting $38 million?”
August 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
“Darrius Heyward-Bey appears to have to put aside the issue of dropped passes that plagued his early sessions…”
Very promising after only one week of camp. It’s time to make all the naysayers on BSPN and on this blog eat their words.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
$3000 – $7000 for a Guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It better do more than just play music for that much money!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Even though I didn’t want DHB, I am firmly behind him and hopeful that his speed alone will help open things up — both downfield deep and on underneath routes to Z. Miller and Johnnie Lee … also watch out for Louis Murphy!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
man I cant post that twitter post of camp quick hits
August 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Crabtree’s looking at his college production, and DHB’s college production and saying, WTF?
August 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
it gives oral when you stroke it =)
August 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I’m out for now fellas. Be back later…
August 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
4eva:
Are you talking about Twitter or Crabtree?
August 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
A player getting fined $2,500 for tweeting just sounds unAmerican.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
KoolKell
Is tomorrow your visit to practice? You must be psyched to say the least. Soak it all in for those of us that can’t attend.
ok, now I’m out
August 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
the $7000 guitar
August 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
oh I get it D’OH
August 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I want to be Rich!!!!!
100k + cars.
250k + Yacht.
1 mil + home.
7k guitar!!!
25K piano!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
CYA RaiderDogg
August 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
4eva:
I knew you were talking about the guitar … I just couldn’t resist!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
=)
August 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Later Dogg, and thank you for the free education.
Too bad I can’t get free Education at SDSU.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Garcia’s hardly participated at all since coming here. Russell’s blowing him off. I think he’s outta here, soon.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
4eva,
LMAO
August 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
DHB over Crabtree – Id much rather take my chances on the player that is known for being humble and for being one of the hardest working players.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
4eva,
Still LMAO @ 91
August 6th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Raidertay:
You KNOW what’s going to happen — they’ll just ban cell phones from the sidelines, then players like Ocho Zero and T-No will have just have one of their “boys” up in the stands twittering for them (that still sounds like a nasty term!) … “Hey Ocho Zero just pee’d on another Denver defensive back!”
August 6th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
You guys are sheep, nothing more.
Let me enlighten you.
First off Crabtree NEVER threatened to sit out.
Someone tossed it out, and his agent flat out denied it. Denied it was ever said, and denied it’s even an option.
Second..Crabtree’s comment about “fashion” is because he has HIS OWN LINE OF CLOTHES. That’s what his “off-field” interests are..his designing his own line of clothes.
You guys should read up a little before you make silly comments that will come back to bite ya..
Hey, you took Bey. Accept it. Was the first of the two dumbest draft choices of ANY TEAM. You got a guy who is a project. Who sucks at catching the ball.
Save the “OMG..CRABTREE IS HOLDING OUT…OMG”
Over a third of the first round picks are still not signed.
Now want to see a sorry silly holdout that bit a player in the rear?
Some moron qb held out for all of training camp, essentially kissing the first year good-bye. Except he got paid MILLIONS to sit and watch…while learning nothing.
Who was that blubber butt??
Anyone??
Crabtree is going to torch Bey, in every stat..just like in college.
BTW..if I was Crabtree? I sure as hell would demand more money than Bey.
And he’ll get it, most likely, because he deserves it.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
So what happens if Crabtree and SF can’t agree on a contract? Does he just become a FA again? Do the 9ers get another pick? WTF?
Anyone….Anyone….Bueller….Bueller…..??????
August 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
AZ,
The niners lose their pick and Crabtree goes into next year’s draft. It WILL NOT HAPPEN! There is no way that Crabtree’s contract in 2010 would make up for the money he would lose by sitting out the 2009 season…besides, he wouldn’t even be drafted in the top ten next year…
Then again, if his advisors are moron….I hope he tries it, lol.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Ricochet. You make no sense. Crabtree is every bit as unproven as Heyward-Bey. His attitude and work ethic suck, that’s why he was passed up by as many teams as he was.
You sound like a hypocrite. Never post here again please.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
and just how does a kid coming out of collage get financing for his “own line of clothes”,in this economy???
August 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Kush Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Ricochet. You make no sense. Crabtree is every bit as unproven as Heyward-Bey. His attitude and work ethic suck, that’s why he was passed up by as many teams as he was.
You sound like a hypocrite. Never post here again please.
lmfao!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
im excited for this season i even made a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Hq7bwmHJI
August 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
4eva,
Investors!!
lol
August 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
If would be funny if Crabtree blew out his knee during this holdout…suddenly his “advisors” and “friends” would be gone and he would be washing dishes at Dave and Busters, lol.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Ricochet is the same stupid muthafukka that wouldn’t shut up about JaMarcus holding out. Now he’s saying don’t trip about Crabtree? You are a hypocrite AND a moron.
Man do us all a favor and STFU
August 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
** Defensive lineman Ryan Boschetti dabbled at defensive end the past few days but returned to nose tackle this morning.
That sort of flexibility will land Boschetti a spot on the 53-man roster. The Raiders always favor multi-taskers on the defensive line because they don’t like to carry many players there.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?&entry_id=45032#ixzz0NRNe3yQJ
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I think the Raiders are going to see the same depth problems on the D-Line like last year. What the hell is Sands’ problem? He isn’t even making an impact in practice…to the point that there is a noticeable difference when he sits out. Oh well….I hope this Boschetti guy can bring it…..Also, in the future, the Raiders may want to consider more D-Lineman than linebackers given they run a 43
August 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Dakota Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
AZ,
The niners lose their pick and Crabtree goes into next year’s draft. It WILL NOT HAPPEN! There is no way that Crabtree’s contract in 2010 would make up for the money he would lose by sitting out the 2009 season…besides, he wouldn’t even be drafted in the top ten next year…
Then again, if his advisors are moron….I hope he tries it, lol.
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I think he’d fall to round 2 or 3 if he does hold out the season. Geez, what a D.B.! I hope it does happen.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Wow, that Richochet just bounced all over the room didn’t it?! Waa, Waa, Waa, – “my guy got drafted behind your guy, but he’s better than your guy, so he should still get more money than your guy.” It sounds like Richochet and Crabtree are sucking on some of those same sour grapes that Andrew Walters has been feasting on lately!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
BS Detector Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Ricochet is the same stupid muthafukka that wouldn’t shut up about JaMarcus holding out. Now he’s saying don’t trip about Crabtree? You are a hypocrite AND a moron.
Man do us all a favor and STFU
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BS detector showed up right on time LOL. Nice post!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
One thing is for sure. I know the 9ers, and they ain’t paying a cent more than the #10 pick should get. Wrong team to mess with Crabs, this is da WEST COAST LOL!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Trade Sands, Burgess, to the Pats for V Wifork!
We should have kept Walter and made him part of the trade.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Hey Richochet:
When ‘ya goin out to get you some new designer MICHAEL CRABTREE fashion threads? They don’t cost you any money — all you have to do is stand at the back door and cry and hope that the merchant will give in to your demands — and you’ll be walkin’ around naked!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
that was awesome Eduaroraiders2 thankx man
August 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Crabtree has revealed to his advisor, aka his cousin, that he has no intentions of playing for Coach Singletary after the coach made him cry in front of everyone within earshot (true story). LMAO
Bottom line: Crabtree is a little b1tch and he knows it. I bet he cried when he wasn’t voted prom king in High School. What is he a woman? His own clothing line? Maybe if your name is Serena Williams or Jay Z. Who wants to wear anything that says “Crabtree” on it? B1tches do…
August 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Hey BS Detector:
I got one for you — what thinks it’s “fly”, but has no fly?
Answer: Michael Crabtree’s pants!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Richochet Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I’m sorry guys, I didn’t mean to yell at you. I’m just mad my team still hasn’t signed their 1st round pick and yours is running a muck in the secondary already in training camp. I feel like OUR pick was the DUMBEST pick in the draft, not you guys taking Heyward-Bey… I’m sorry, it looks like Al Davis was right
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Well thank you sir. We (The Nation) understand that being a fan of a team other than the Raiders can really drain a guy and we don’t fault YOU for your stupidity. We’ll go ahead and blame it on the team you root for…
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
53 MEN AND COUTLESS FANS COMMITTED TO ONE PURPOSE!
DRINK UP!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Ricochet,
Crabtree has his own clothesline…thats even Worse!!
LMFAO
His Cousin/Advisor David Wells said it. He represents Crabtree you jerk off…why dont you do some reading.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4381335
August 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Ahhh, the wine just gets sweeter!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
bing-bing-bing~~~~~
August 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
What’s a 9er fan doing in here anyway?
…shut up “O”
9-7!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
GREAT POST AZ RAIDER!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Hey, I just thought of something — couldn’t Crabtree go sign a contract and play for the UFL (the “Unfortunate Football League”)?
August 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
#128 THAT IS
August 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I cant wait to buy my Wife that new Crabtree dress.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
=) =) =)
August 6th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
AZ
I feel ya, but this time last year, everyone was singing,
“I’m In”
August 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Ha ha will Mr. Davis get any credit for passing up on crabtree , what a joke guy’s only played in the spread O and has never run pro routes to hold out is crazy.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I want to see more of:
JLH dancing after scores.
JR running.
Chaz Catching.
DMC & Bush running.
Make it happen Al!!!
Chaz is a beast!!!
Go Aztecs!!!!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
People act like the Raiders is the only team that passed on Crabtree. Nine other teams passed up his b!tch as.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Burgess traded to Pats—-pft.com
August 6th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Well time 2 walk-da-dog l8ter fellas
August 6th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
finally unloaded Burgess!!! I don’t care if we only got a 7th rounder in return, Burgess was worth nothing to this team anymore.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
AZ,
lol,
What whinner fan? This is a Raider Blog!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Later 4eva, and thank you for the advice.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Did it occur to anyone that Crap Tree is trying to work a deal in the land of drag queens and cross dressers? I guess maybe his new clothing line will be a big hit, after all … and he will be a very BITCH (I mean, rich) man!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Man, The Patriots sop up Raider players like biscuits n’ gravy.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
New post, and not a good one!!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Man, The Patriots sop up Raider players like biscuits n’ gravy.
But the Raiders never get anything in return.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I just don’t understand it …
August 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Jerry, sorry about your “obstructed view” tell Norco Bob to sit the **** down!
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Heres what I liked about your post…
“but there’s the thing about Russell _ his arm is so strong he squeezed it past Eugene for a big completion.”
August 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Man, The Patriots sop up Raider players like biscuits n’ gravy.
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Lamont’s a BEAST!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Ricochet. You make no sense. Crabtree is every bit as unproven as Heyward-Bey. His attitude and work ethic suck, that’s why he was passed up by as many teams as he was.
You sound like a hypocrite. Never post here again please.
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And you seem to make a cotton ball look bright.
What part confused you, Einstein?
Bey is as UNPROVEN AS BEY?? WTF??
Pay attention, clown.
Crabtree’s college accolades:
2007 All-Big 12 Selected for first team [25]
2007 AFCA Coaches’ All-America Selected One of two wide receivers selected; first Freshman to earn the honor since Herschel Walker in 1980[26]
2007 AP All-America Selected for first team Garnered Unanimous All-America status by being selected for a fifth NCAA-recognized All-America team[27][28]
2007 AP Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year Selected [29][30]
2007 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year Winner First freshman to win the award[31]
2007 Biletnikoff Award Winner First freshman and first Big 12 player ever chosen for the honor[32]
2007 CBSSports.com All-America Selected to first team [33]
2007 CBSSports.com Freshman of the Year Selected Unanimous first place selection[34]
2007 ESPN All-America Selected [35]
2007 FWAA All-America Selected for team [36]
2007 Maxwell Award Chosen as a semifinalist Only freshman chosen as semifinalist in 2007[37][38]
2007 Paul Warfield Award Winner [33]
2007 Rivals.com National Freshman of the Year Selected [39]
2007 SI.com All-America Selected for first team [40]
2007 Sporting News All-America Selected for first team Garnered Consensus All-America status by being selected for a third NCAA-recognized All-America team[41]
2007 Sporting News Big 12 All-Freshman Team Selected [42]
2007 Touchdown Club of Columbus Freshman of the Year Selected [33]
2007 Walter Camp All-America Selected for first team [43]
2008 Playboy All-America Selected [44]
2008 Preseason All-Big 12 Selected for first team Only unanimous selection[45][46]
2008 All-Big 12 Selected for first team Only offensive unanimous selection[47]
2008 AFCA Coaches’ All-America Selected One of three returnees from last year’s list[48]
2008 Biletnikoff Award Winner First ever two-time winner[49]
2008 Walter Camp All-America Selected for first team [50]
2008 FWAA All-America Selected for team Garnered Consensus All-America status by being selected for a third NCAA-recognized All-America team[51]
2008 SI.com All-America Selected for first team [52]
2008 AP All-America Selected for first team [53]
2008 Sporting News All-America Selected for first team Garnered Unanimous All-America status by being selected for a fifth NCAA-recognized All-America team[54]
2008 Paul Warfield Award Winner
You want to see funny? Go view Bey’s accomplishments..pretty much nil.
And you don’t even want to compare receiving stats..you’ll look even more foolish.
Like I said, a stupid signing by Al Davis, because he’s FAST.
Everyone laughed that day..and they continue to.
Except for Raider fans.
Lol..yes…at you.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
154. SYSTEM FIT!!!
Is Bey in camp? Yes.
Is Crabtree? No.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Konnichiwa bishes!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Is Bey worth what you paid him? No.
Is Crabtree the best WR in the draft that you past on? Yes.
do the math.
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AZ Raider Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
BS Detector Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Ricochet is the same stupid muthafukka that wouldn’t shut up about JaMarcus holding out. Now he’s saying don’t trip about Crabtree? You are a hypocrite AND a moron.
Man do us all a favor and STFU
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I wasn’t HERE two years ago, peanut.
But thanks for setting yourself up, fool.
Anyone who states word one about anyone holding out, after defending lardass Russell holding out is a hypocrite.
Holdouts are part of the game, EVERY YEAR. Short attention span means you won’t remember that next year, will you?
Hey, if it will make you feel better, I’ll remind you.
Then you can just reply “Duh. Huh?”
Like now.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
raidertay Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Ricochet,
Crabtree has his own clothesline…thats even Worse!!
LMFAO
His Cousin/Advisor David Wells said it. He represents Crabtree you jerk off…why dont you do some reading.
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Wrong jerk..Crabtree’s agent stated clearly that is bull.
You know..agent? Guy who does the deals? lol..way to look the fool stating “oh, but his COUSIN said…”
Hey, you’re a Raider fan. Looking the fool is rule # 3.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Back to “Heyward-Bust..I mean Bey”.
What’s the latest? Is he still “nervous” or does he just suck at catching the ball?
Wait.
What were the knocks on Bey in college?
“drops balls when no one is around him”
“stone hands”
“runs bad routes”
Oh, hey well…great pick at #7, Al, lol
Crabtree in college?
See above.
Then cringe, and apologize for being so stupid.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Richochet, you went thru all the trouble to register just to defend craptree? Do you have some of his pants or something? Crabtree is a average possession WR who came from a gimmick offense and we just don’t need one of those. We have a have a bigger faster edition of crabtree all ready and his name is Chaz Schillens and he is no diva.. you are a putz……
August 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Hey Dick-o-chet:
Isn’t it odd how a Niners fan spends all day on a Raider blog, and then tries to come across as “one of us” — hey ass wipe, it’s no wonder that Ronnie Lott and Jerry Rice made their way across the Bay … oh, and how did you like Joe Montana retiring as a Chief? Way to treat your Hall of Famers, you loser!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
crbtrr MAY be the best of all time when it’s all said and done but he DEFINITLY will be a locker room cancer and will make T.O. look like Sister Theresa…
August 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Read the report card:
Heyward-Bey: “Plays well with others”
Crabtree: “Plays with himself”
August 6th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Rule #2 is – always laugh at the Queens across the Bay; and Rule #1 is:
RAIDERS 4 LIFE, BABY!
August 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I’m out … later Raiders!
August 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
No More Infield or Trolls Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Richochet, you went thru all the trouble to register just to defend craptree? Do you have some of his pants or something? Crabtree is a average possession WR who came from a gimmick offense and we just don’t need one of those. We have a have a bigger faster edition of crabtree all ready and his name is Chaz Schillens and he is no diva.. you are a putz……
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And you would be wrong, peanut.
Been here for a while.
And yeah, Chaz is a beast, lol.
He played in ALL 16 GAMES last year, and he was 163rd in the NFL.
Yeah, 163rd.
Had 15 catches..LESS THAN ONE PER GAME.
Yeah, whew, scary. Yeah, boy, you told me off, didn’t you?
August 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
raidertbone Says:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Read the report card:
Heyward-Bey: “Plays well with others”
Crabtree: “Plays with himself”
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You’re confused.
Oh slow.
Maybe both.
Plays well with others? Uh, let me see if I have this straight.
QB throws the ball.
Bey drops it.
Oh sure, I see it.
August 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Not that I need my ego satisfied but:
“Darrius Heyward-Bey appears to have to put aside the issue of dropped passes that plagued his early sessions, but the most impressive rookie receiver continues to be fourth-round pick Louis Murphy.”
I still maintain years from now Murphy will be wearing silver and black, while DHB will go along the same path as the Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, And Rickey Dudley’s, Dwayne Jarrett…ect.
Saying I told you so is a little premature, but for the record, when I do tell you all, remember who you heard it from first.
August 6th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Richochet, I smell what you’re cooking,but I wouldn’t have taken Crabtree at seven, given what I’m hearing out of Murphy in camp.
He was solid at Florida and made big catches in big SEC and BCS games. And now just getting to hear from the guy and reports on his camp performance, you can tell he’s going to be a pro’s pro for a long time.
Ah to think what defensive stud we could have got at seven.