The wall arrives
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News and notes from Friday afternoon’s practice as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran and writers who contributed to transcribing group interviews:
– After a penalty-filled session Thursday night and a single session that didn’t meet up with the expectations of coach Tom Cable Friday, he conceded for the first time his team wasn’t up to par.
“Not really sharp today, you can tell we’re hitting that camp wall if you will and we have to kind of push through that,” Cable said. “How you regroup kind of answers how you are doing, how you are developing as a football team.”
– Justin Fargas agreed with Cable’s “wall” assessment.
“You could see it. In the two-minute drill, we weren’t that sharp,” Fargas said. “The intensity kind of tapered off. The defense didn’t fall off, we didn’t respond to their intensity.”
– No changes in terms of injuries. Those who did not practice included wide receiver Javon Walker, tackle Khalif Barnes, guard Robert Gallery, lineman Mark Wilson and cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson.
– There was one live session with, as Kirk Morrison hinted, “tackling to the ground,” but Cable wasn’t willing to divulge how often that would occur through the remainder of camp.
– Defensive coordinator John Marshall was made available to the media for the first time, said he watched every game over the last two years “three or four times” and stressed fundamentals.
“I think, obviously, you gentlemen and ladies know, that we need to improve the run (defense),” Marshall said. “That has everything to do with technique, and it has a whole ot to do with attitude and tackling. Those are areas, disengating blockers, fundamentals . . . better fundamentals.”
– Marshall on the hallmarks of one of his defenses: “I’d have to say that being detailed, doing the small things, fundamentally sound and we will bring pressure. We will bring pressure.”
– Will Asomugha be allowed to shadow the opponent’s top receiver? “That depends on the opponent,” Marshall said.
– Marshall on Al Davis: “I know he knows defense. The great thing is he is like me. He’s long in the tooth and he’s old school. It’s line up, there’s your guy, cover him. And there goes the ball, you go out there and tackle him. There’s the blocker, you knock his butt off and go to the ball. . . . keep it simple and play hard. And he’s very smart. He knows his football, believe me.”
– What about all the man-to-man pressure the Raiders play?
“I’ll tell you what, in my 30 years and 12 or 13 years of being a coordinator, I don’t think I’ve been blessed with a team that has the corners that can run like these men can do,” Marshall said. “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had. They are good, talented group.”
– Running back Michael Bush on the three-way competition between himself, Justin Fargas and Darren McFadden:
“We all know that we want that No. 1 spot. Basically it’s a way for us pushing each other on the field . . . sometimes, we bring it on the field as far as joking around and having fun . . . but it’s still a competition and I think that’s what makes us better.”
Bush even supported Fargas’ grandiose vision of three 1,000 yard backs.
“With the fullbacks that we have, we’re going to rock things with Lorenzo (Neal) and Big O (Oren O’Neal). He’s back to being 100 percent, as you see. He’s dropping his pads and being that hammer tha the was in 2007 . . . the zone scheme is made to have at least two 1,000-yard backs. It’s possible.”
Tight end Brandon Myers, a sixth-round pick out of Iowa, was selected in the sixth round of the draft becasue of his blocking skill skill and the potential to free Zach Miller in the passing game. He’s also begun to show up as a receiver.
“We knew we were getting something as a blocker, both as a run blocker and a pass protector,” Cable said. “The route stuff has been a bonus.”
Additional practice notes as relayed by Steve Corkran:
– Shane Lechler launched a punt that carried _ get this _ 108 yards. The ball traveled 75 yards in the air and sailed over Justin Miller’s head before it started bouncing. Miller, primarily a kickoff return specialist, looked as if he would be OK with never returning another punt in his life.
– Nick Miller, a darkhorse candidate as an undrafted free agent, worked on both punt returns and kickoff returns.
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey fought off an illegal bump and made a catch on a crossing route that was flagged by officials at practice as a defensive foul.
– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland made a diving catch in front of Stanford Routt and added a 50-yard over-the-shoulder grab from Bruc eGradkowski over Justin Miller. Holland also drove Darrick Brown 10 yards back with a downfield block.
– Defensive end Trevor Scott was handled by Mario Henderson again, but broke through on one occasion for a sack, getting past Henderson and tight end Darryl Strong.
– Quarterback JaMarcus Russell continued to make some decisions that seemed questionable, but occasionally made them profitable, at one point threading a pass to Louis Murphy into the teeth of double coverage.
– Twitter reports by Morrison and running back Darren McFadden hinted at a “tackle-the-ground” practice, but were largely exaggerated.
– Two days after being crushed by Bush on a blocking drill, linebacker Ricky Brown returned the favor by breaking through in a team session around Mario Henderson and stopping bush in his tracks with a chest-high blow at the line of scrimmage.
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August 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Thanks Jerry.
As an avid reader for several years now, I can only imagine that you are pretty pissed that of all days John Marshal chooses to do the interview, you aren’t there.
I cant say its a coincidence as your blog is the single largest source for “real” and not “official news.
Thanks again for all you bring to the Nation!
August 7th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Richochet Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Kush Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
My question for MaddenRaider is…
Who is your favorite football team? You denigrate everything about the Raiders and criticize every single move that the team makes.
How dare you name yourself after one of the greatest coaches to play the game. Please change your name immediately and stop disrespecting the legacy and namesake of John Madden.
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Fool.
Madden is FAR FROM ONE OF THE GREATEST COACHES…geez…he’s in the hall of fame because of his announcing, not his coaching. He was mediocre at best at coaching, and honestly was the motley fool that everyone loved to laugh at while announcing.
Get a clue.
Borrow a dollar, and buy one.
Hey, are you from MVN?”
John Madden has the highest winning percentage among NFL Head Coaches that have coached for at least 10 years in the league. He was inducted into the HOF as a HEAD COACH not as an announcer. Who’s the fool now?
At least MaddenRaider is an intelligent antagonist. This Richochet idiot gives a new meaning to the word MORON!
Here’s some advice for you numbskull: Get off of Crabtree’s dick, it’s sickening.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
The wall arrives? Haven’t they only had 6 practices before now? They started with 1 on Monday, then 2 on both Tuesday and Thursday. 1 Wednesday then again today. Are you telling me that they weren’t crisp because they’ve hit a wall??? I sure hope they aren’t that out of shape!
August 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Great, another defensive coordinator admitting that he’s an Al Davis puppet, before he even coaches his first fuqin game. Remember when our coaches used to pretend they were in charge? Guess not anymore. BTW, Jerry, what did you mean with the title, the wall arrives? Pink Floyd performing at tomorrow’s practice? Of course, that will be closed to the public, too. Al likes to listen to Floyd in seclusion.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Russell is relying on his arm to squeeze the ball into tight spaces.
He knows he can get away with it.
He only threw 8 ints last year.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
dogg!
August 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Thec07…post #10 on previous.
Good post and thanks for the add on Blecher Report on DHB.
Good article and it supports our decision to go with him. Crabtree is too slow and that’s probably why he’s holding out. That, and because Crabtree is an idiot. He doesn’t seem to be playing with a full deck, either.
I’m looking forward to the day that Chris Carter & Tom Jackson from ESPN have to eat their words for bad rapping the young kid when we drafted him. Carter couldn’t stop running his mouth. And, Jackson, couldn’t stop laughing.
Two idiots acting as unprofessional as possible. I hate both of them now. Hate the Vikings because Carter played for them and hate the Broncos even more, since Jackson played for those idiots when Shanarat was their coach.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Raiderdogg, you don’t even know what an antagonist is. You sound like a cop. Stupid pigs like you call everyone who disagrees with you an antagonist. I’ll bet you I was a Raider fan before you were even born, Barney.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
man good thing we didnt get crablegs
August 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I can’t understand that post above, that like quotes 6 dirfferent fuquin people. I don’t even know now who called me an antagonist up there. Can’t you guys keep it simple and just address someone’s name, then respond to them, or, god forbid, maybe just copy and paste one comment at a time? You guys comment just like the Raiders play. Unorganized and sloppy. Anyhow, Kush, I think, whoever you are: I criticize Al Davis, and anything that he dictates. Don’t act like I’m not a fan. I was probably a fan before you were born. I go back to the ’70s, playa patna. Don’t bring my Raider patriotism into question.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
MaddenRaider
I honestly meant “Intelligent Antagonist” as a compliment. I am fully aware of the definition of the word and I am suprised that you got all butt hurt about it.
Also I was only spelling out some simple history to a person that clearly needed an education about which he spoke. No disagreement at all.
As far as this “I’ll bet I was a Raider fan before you were born” nonsense is comical at best. You sound like a child on a playground.
Also what in my post makes you think I am a cop? An English teacher is more likely to utter the word “antagonist” as opposed to a cop. You sound paranoid. I am the furthest thing from an officer of the law. You have been here long enough to probably ascertain what I do for a living. If not, I don’t know what to tell you.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
KoolKell
How was practice?
August 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
DC JOHN MARSHALL transcript from earlier:
Q: How’s the transition?
A: Everything’s been going great. The players have done a great job of transitioning with a new staff and I think the new staff has done a very, very good job of getting into the professional lives of the players that are out there. They’re working hard. They’re learning new things, new work habits so it’s a transition and we’re still in the transition. I think you have to wait until you get through that third preseason game to really see what you have and how far you’ve really come.
Q: How far did you look back at film of these guys?
A: I looked at all the games the last two years. Otherwise, it was a turnover in players and too much of a turnover so I watched every game the last two years and I want to say, 3 or 4 times watching.
Q: What stood out?
A: I think obviously, you gentlemen and ladies know, that we need to improve the run game. That has everything to do with technique, and it has a whole lot to do with attitude and tackling. Those are the areas, disengaging blockers, fundamentals … better fundamentals.
Q: So the talent is here?
A: Oh yeah, yeah.
Q: Having to break old habits?
A: Yeah, I think whenever you deal with people or kids, they all have habits and if those habits aren’t the right habits, then you need to break them and teach them new habits. We’ve got a great mix of young players and veteran players. I’ve never been of the belief you can’t teach old dogs new tricks. You just kind of have to stay with it longer, have patience and push them harder. Sure, it’s a matter of developing new habits for these guys and that’s not easy. That’s why the transition is not easy on the players. They need to be really, really professional about it. They need to be willing to accept a different kind of instruction and a different kind of technique, a different kind of attitude toward the small things and sometimes it’s not easy, you know? But they’re doing a great job of doing it, they really are.
Q: Ricky Brown and Kirk Morrison moving around, you more comfy with one in certain areas?
A: No, that has nothing to do with that. What it has everything to do with is you’ve got to be able to have flexibility. As the season goes on, you get nicked with injuries and you have to be able to sometimes move some people around. We’re fortunate enough here that Ricky Brown is a very flexible linebacker and Morrison is really a mike linebacker and so is Jon Alston, is a flexible linebacker who can play in and outside. I’ve been moving those guys around to give them an opportunity early in training camp to get a feel for it.
Q: Thoughts on the defensive ends?
A: Right now I feel good about that, about the personnel we have in the pass rush, not to forget the big guys inside who can push the pocket from the front. But, we’re not there yet. We’ve just got to keep working to really find out what’s the best combination we can come up with it.
Q: How do you like to supplement the pressure?
A: If we’re not getting enough pressure, which I don’t believe is going to be the case, if you can’t get enough pressure with your four-man front then you have to add additional pressure. That means bringing one extra guy or two extra guys or emptying the post and bringing everybody. And then, the amount of pressure really depends on the opponent and a lot of that has to do with their offensive line versus our defensive line. If we can get there with four men then we probably won’t run as much pressure.
Q: You have had a lot of stops in your career, what are the hallmarks of a John Marshall defense?
A: I’d have to say that being detailed, doing the small things, fundamentally sound and we will bring pressure. We will bring pressure.
Q: What can fans expect to see?
A: That’s different from Rob (Ryan)? It’s a hard question to answer because I don’t want to indict the people who have already been here by any means. SO let’s wait and see and they can choose what is difference. Is this guy better? My hair won’t be as long. I know that.
Q: What should fans look for at Raiders Nation celebration?
A: You look for the discipline of the team. And this has no, please, please make sure you understand. My comments right now have no reflection on last year or what has gone on here in the past. I think what you’ll see is a disciplined team that is not jacking around and screwing around. They’re all about business out there and enjoying what they’re doing for the most part. You’ll still here coaches yelling and screaming, hopefully no profanity but you know how that goes. I think that is what you’ll see, a team that has a purpose for being out there, they’re trying to get better, competing with each other and working at it.
Q: Will you allow Nnamdi Asomugha to shadow a No. 1 receiver?
A: That depends on the opponent.
Q: But you’re not adverse to that?
A: Oh heck no.
Q: How much have you talked with Al and what have you taken from him?
A: I know he knows defense. The great thing is is he is like me. He’s long in the tooth and he’s old school. It’s line up, there’s your guy, cover him. And there goes the ball, you go out there and tackle him. There’s the blocker, you knock his butt off and go to the ball. He’s old school. Keep it simple and play hard. And he’s very smart. He knows his football. Believe me.
Q: You ever played as much man as Raiders traditionally do?
A: I’ll tell you what, in my 30 years and 12 or 13 years of being a coordinator, I don’t think I’ve been blessed with a team that has the corners that can run like these young men can do. So I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had. They are a good talented group.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
yeah how was practice
August 7th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Well The Real MaddenRaider. Thank you for answering my question.
So you actually CLAIM to be a fan.
First of all I don’t care if you’ve watched the Raiders since they were almost called the SENORS, your AGE has NOTHING to do with this. If you are really that old then maybe you’re suffering from Dementia or Alzheimers because your posts regularly hinge on the hypocritical, contradictory, and borderline nonsensical.
Second…your exact words are…
“Don’t act like I’m not a fan. I was probably a fan before you were born…”
Well old timer, the word ‘FAN’ is short for ‘FANATIC’ which is defined as:
“Marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion to someone or something.”
And so based off the definition of the word, you say that you’re a FAN of WHO? The Oakland Raiders???lolololololrotflmfao.
Please TRMR, do us all a favor and never refer to yourself as a fan of the Oakland Raiders again.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
The Trip was cancelled, not enough people booked.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
KK
That blows, I was legitimately excited for you bro.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RAIDERDOG!!! FTW!!!!
August 7th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Kush, you merely claim to be a fan, too. I refuse to abide by some stupid standard you made up in your head as to who’s a fan. Fuq you! Get of my dik. Now I know I was a fan before you were born. Your dumb ass probably jumped on board when Bugel was coach. It shows.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Alright, Raiderdogg, I owe you a beer. Make me f’n cry, why don’t you.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Blows like Hell!
August 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
The team responded to hitting the wall by singing “we don’t need no education”
August 7th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Dogg, if you don’t want people to think you’re a cop, btw, stop accusing people of being paranoid, and using words like “ascertain”.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
KK
Guess you are going to have to settle for the Raider Nation Celebration on Saturday huh? At least it’s a close drive as opposed to Napa.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
MR
LOL, you got it man, thanks for the advice.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
I’m out for the night.
Keep holding it down Nation and have an excellent weekend.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
lmao at you TRMR. The truth hurts and now you’re throwing atempertantrum, fussing and cussing like a little @ss baby.
You talk a lot a sh$t behind a keyboard. I asked you a simple question. How can you call yourself a FAN of the Raiders based on all the sh&t you come on here and talk.
Marshall says he’s working detail and discipline and you talk sh*t. Cable says he’s working on correcting mental errors and mistakes and you talk sh&t. If the Raiders said they would let everyone into the Coliseum for Free to watch the home opener against the Chargers, you would talk sh*t about that too.
And for the record, I have never claimed to be a fan. In fact I am NOT a fan. I’m a CITIZEN. A proud CITIZEN of the Raider Nation. End of story. Now you get off my dik, tale your Geritol, and take your whiny, sorry ass to bed or something.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Ricochet you’re next on my hit list. I’m tired of reading your sorry, pathetic, nonsensical posts too.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east.
But I saw on film that our technigue was not good and the discipline was a real issue. Kirk is getting hammered on that now. They want correct technigue and discipline and fundamentals which is really just tackling and pad level. It’s also very important that they (DT’s) use their hands properly as well as the DE’s.
I’ve been preaching this so hard I had to take some time to say I told you so. I’m not right all the time but on this I could see where if they (Dline) just used better technigue and fundamentals it would make a world of difference.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I hope they break through the proverbial “wall” before we start the string of 3 straight AFC west opponents this season.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I think intelligent people who actually watch Raider games have been saying for quite some time that the ability of the defense to play solid in spurts, or in certain games, but not consistently, demonstrated a severe lack of proper coaching more so than defensive personnel. That’s just common sense.
Several players, Tom Cable and now Marshall himself have indicted (in their own ways) Rob Ryan as a piss poor excuse for a Defensive coordinator. What the hell was he actually teaching in practice for all of those years.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
The “Wall” is it more from bordom, The “mundane routine”, fatigue. Lack of concentration, they may need to break from the norm maybe???? Doesnt sound like
they are complacent, but they do need to crank up the intensity. I hope they dont think they have “arrived” and start slacking off…..
August 7th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Post 35, ROFLMAO…….
Several players, Tom Cable and now Marshall himself have indicted (in their own ways) Rob Ryan as a piss poor excuse for a Defensive coordinator. What the hell was he actually teaching in practice for all of those years.
Good question Bro…..
Can anyone answer this one?????
August 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Kush, In all failures there should be “great lessons learned”. In looking at Rob Ryan it is made perfectly clear how not to run a poor defense, How not to teach players, and how not to stop the run. Lastly give up close leads when ahead in the 4th qtr.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Kush you’re right but if you had been here before the draft man the stuff people said to me because of those views. It’s not that they didn’t see it but they didn’t trust it.
The Dline was ridiculed in here ad-nauseum and still is. They’re already talking about what DT to take n next years draft. We haven’t played a down yet. So it’s a herd mentality.
I’m not indicting anyone just saying more or less “I told you so” not to rub it in anyones face, but in the interest of my own redemption.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
We’ll find out this season if Rob Ryan was part of the problem or it was something else.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Rob Ryan was teaching *ss kissing.
He is very good at it.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Guy’s Rob-O was very well liked by his players but this was his first ever DC job. He’ll learn just like Marshall has learned to make adjustments to his own program.
Same as Bill Belichik, who was ran out of Cleveland. Coughlin who was ridiculed in NY. Rob-O has to learn that teaching and making sure his assistants teach as much as anything. He failed in coaching his coaches as many coordinators have done.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Ryan, can blame his personnel for the first couple of years easy, dosent change the fact he wss a lousy signal caller, especially in close games….
August 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Everyone has attacked Ryan’s schemes calling them basic and vanilla. Saying he doesn’t blitz and didn’t know how to attack offenses. Which is all crap. we played every type of defense yu want to see. It wasn’t scheme or the lack of 3/4 or cover2. That stuff is stupid. It was bad fundamentals and technigue and a serious lack of sound tackling………..period
August 7th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
BHP, So that said you would lay the blame on fundamentals only???? BHP I respect you football knowledge but you have to lay some of the blame on RR play calling….
August 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
TJ from MV,…I called Gary again today, brought you up…he asked why you are now staying away…I told him that I told you it was ok again to call. Why dont you?
August 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
man! were so gonna kikk ass this season :v
August 7th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
wut if peter jackson directed g.i. joe ,. woulda been epic
August 7th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Priest,
I can vouch for the fact that you were one of the few that were stating plainly for all to see that our defensive woes were more as a result of poor coaching and execution, than a problem of personnel.
Thec I believe that it is a combination of playcalling AND fundamentals.
That’s why it pisses me off to see people coming on here and attempting to ridicule Cable and Marshall for teaching fundamental, well executed, disciplined football. How can anyone in their right mind put the coaches down for doing that?
August 7th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Ryan is in Cleveland….soon enuff.
See whats what.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Dorian,..you really think we will kick aasss?…Do you go to every game?…I do,…fans liek me that goto every game keep it real,…if we go 8-8 I would call that extremely successful, then in 2010 start to win the division for consecutive seasons, like in early part of the decade when we won 3 in a row…theres no doubt in my mind SD wins west again, easily as they will be only west team with winning record,..but starting in 2010 we will take it,…dont expect playoffs this year dude or you will be disappointed.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Norco Bob, I’ve told you already, I’m just not interested. It’s no particular reason.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
norco . u neative thinker , kikkin ass at dis point would be 9-7 . i believe in the teams talent . they gotta believe in themeselves . been to 1 game . i expect superbowl every season . their all human on every team . sum players just dnt care
August 7th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Pat Conner said you are afraid to call, but he said on the air you can call agin, nothing to be afraid of dude.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I think Im being very optimistic with my 8-8 prediction,…you are the neg-head.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
afraid of what? Bob what is it with you man?? just let it go. If and when I want to call I’ll call.
I don’t even know who Pat Conner is, who’s Pat Conner??
August 7th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Thought this was interesting from PFT:
Herm Edwards is high on the Raiders
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 7, 2009 4:57 PM ET
Mr. Florio and I are getting ready to break out some power rankings that we’ll count down on the site as we near Week One.
One team we essentially agreed on was the Raiders. And let’s just say Herm Edwards is more optimistic about them than both of us.
Speaking on ESPN’s Mike and Mike Friday, Edwards held a Raiders helmet aloft and said the following.
“The Nation is back! . . . I think the Chiefs will play well too, but these guys, they are back! The Nation’s back! 8-8!” (Honest Edwards quotes should include lots of exclamation points.)
Herm probably wasn’t that popular with the Chiefs fanbase before, and this won’t help.
Edwards was asked to defend his prediction on NFL Live and his argument wasn’t so outlandish: A manageable schedule, strong finish to last year, and a good running game. There is certainly room for a surprise team to emerge between the Chiefs, Broncos, and Raiders in the AFC West.
Matt Millen, who was also on the show with Edwards, said the Raiders would go “at least” 8-8 – if Jamarcus Russell steps up. (Big if.)
Alright, there is quite an opportunity for a snide remark or four right about here. But I’ll let you guys make them.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
HOF game this week end.
Excited!
August 7th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
8-8 is quite doable. Especially in a division as weak as the AFC West. Not to mention, no Deangelo Hall getting torched every week, no Rob Ryan, and no Kwame Harris.
That’s good for three additional wins right there alone.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
The grass roots movement is on!! the word is out. By mid-season everyone will know that this team has a monster at QB and an arsenal at his disposal. By years end no one will look forward to facing this team. The speed on offense and the talent on defense. Not to mention maybe the best special teams in the league.
We’ve been kicked and now we’re going to do some kicking of our own.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Kush, I think finally we have what it takes to go out with a degree of confidence that we can do some damage.
If we can stay healthy we will win, I can just feel it.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Nnamdi21, did you read what Marshall said about the secondary. And that’s why Mr Davis has always said you can never have enough DB’s. He gets laughed at for it. But it’s true. They allow the front7 to attack with a lot of versatility and aggression.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
All hail!
The KING of the Blogs has spoken.
Oh mighty and powerful ruler of blogdom: TheRealMaddenRaider, has spoken. Bow down, Bow down….
jeez, man…. what a tool….
August 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Just Win games Baby!!! If you will…
August 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Thought this was interesting from PFT:
Herm Edwards is high on the Raiders
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 7, 2009 4:57 PM ET
Mr. Florio and I are getting ready to break out some power rankings that we’ll count down on the site as we near Week One.
One team we essentially agreed on was the Raiders. And let’s just say Herm Edwards is more optimistic about them than both of us.
Speaking on ESPN’s Mike and Mike Friday, Edwards held a Raiders helmet aloft and said the following.
“The Nation is back! . . . I think the Chiefs will play well too, but these guys, they are back! The Nation’s back! 8-8!” (Honest Edwards quotes should include lots of exclamation points.)
Herm probably wasn’t that popular with the Chiefs fanbase before, and this won’t help.
Edwards was asked to defend his prediction on NFL Live and his argument wasn’t so outlandish: A manageable schedule, strong finish to last year, and a good running game. There is certainly room for a surprise team to emerge between the Chiefs, Broncos, and Raiders in the AFC West.
Matt Millen, who was also on the show with Edwards, said the Raiders would go “at least” 8-8 – if Jamarcus Russell steps up. (Big if.)
Alright, there is quite an opportunity for a snide remark or four right about here. But I’ll let you guys make them.
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Oh my, what a BOLD PREDICTION from Mr. Miracle in the Meadowlands! Saying there is room for a surprise team to emerge from the division and then mentioning every other team except for the favorite? It’s what has brought him such coaching success in the past.
And if Matt Millen is endorsing us right now, we should ALL worry!
August 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
We just need to win our first three games, then battle like hell through the next three!
August 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Mon 9/14 San Diego 10:15 pm – L
Sun 9/20 at Kansas City 1:00 pm – W
Sun 9/27 Denver 4:15 pm – W
Sun 10/4 at Houston 1:00 pm – W
Sun 10/11 at NY Giants 1:00 pm – L
Sun 10/18 Philadelphia 4:05 pm – L
Sun 10/25 NY Jets 4:05 pm – W
Sun 11/1 at San Diego 4:05 pm – L
bye
Sun 11/15 Kansas City 4:05 pm – W
Sun 11/22 Cincinnati 4:15 pm – W
Thu 11/26 at Dallas 4:15 pm – L
Sun 12/6 at Pittsburgh 1:00 pm – L
Sun 12/13 Washington 4:05 pm – W
Sun 12/20 at Denver 4:05 pm – W
Sun 12/27 at Cleveland 1:00 pm – W
Sun 1/3 Baltimore 4:15 pm – L
This is an easy possibility. 9-7 Cinci, Cleveland, Washington, Houston, Jets should be 5 easy wins. That leaves getting 3 or 4 games from KC and Denver.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Kush…55:
Good points, especially Rob “I’m a fat slob with long hair and my prevent defense prevents us from winning in the 4th quarter” Ryan.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Well, it looks like all you dudes checked it in for the nite, so I’ll vamoose out of here myself. Good nite and power to the Oakland Raiders.
August 8th, 2009 at 5:01 am
[...] wall arrives The wall arrives – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oak… __________________ [...]
August 8th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Maybe too much is being made of DHBs struggles early in camp vs Murphy’s ascendancy. I’m confident Murphy is good, but Murphy has been practicing since OTAs. DHB was injured the whole time so we should expect him to be behind. And when he came back rusty (and behind) he was being ridiculed for it.
Now he’s progressively getting better. Maybe too much was being made of it and still is.
August 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am
•I couldn’t help but notice that William Joseph was creating havoc when he was in. He plowed through the line to stop McFadden for a one-yard loss on one play and was getting a good push when the offense went back to pass. His best play was probably one in which he simply destroyed Marcus Johnson by bull-rushing him and knocking the lineman flat on his back.
•No defensive lineman was as successful as defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti. Boschetti had two sacks by my count. On one of them, he was held by Erik Pears who got him to the ground before he could get to the quarterback. Immediately, Boschetti yelled at officials, “Pull that [stuff]! Pull that!” As the flag finally came out, he responded, “Whoo!” ‘Fired up’ might be an understatement for Boschetti tonight, but his play certainly showed it. Boschetti has been playing at the tackle and end positions during camp, but his best play has been at defensive tackle.
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Yup! Looks like you guys might finally get your wish and see Sands cut.
August 8th, 2009 at 7:23 am
For the most part the article was saying the offense hit the wall,
Fargas-“You could see it. In the two-minute drill, we weren’t that sharp,” Fargas said. “The intensity kind of tapered off. The defense didn’t fall off, we didn’t respond to their intensity.”
Hopefully that means the D was just on point, and we can expect something…anything out of them this year.
August 8th, 2009 at 8:02 am
priesttj Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east.
But I saw on film that our technigue was not good and the discipline was a real issue.
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I hope the horn you are planning on “tooting” is one of those small ones afixed to a childrens sized bicycle.
Of course Rob Ryan was an issue. I never said he wasn’t. However, the man was “hand-picked” by Al Davis and aggressively defended by said man for 5 yrs. FIVE YRS! Al Davis has been evaluating coaches for decades…do you think he would not notice such huge holes in coaching philosophy? This is the same Al Davis that pulled Tom Cable, Sanjay Lal and DHB during practice to give them a talk.
Yes, Marshall is an upgrade…but talent still is an issue. Who’s going to admit otherwise. Terdell Sands is on the watch list and we now wait to see if Boschetti or Joseph will emerge as a solid third option.
August 8th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Hey BAG…a little late but here’s your answer.
“BAG Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Bob M.
I see your point, but “if” Ellis has the season that we all hope has won’t he want a new deal for big money as well?…”
- Gerg Ellis signed a 3 year deal with 5 million guaranteed, he’ll be here if we want him for at least the next 2 seasons, I don’t think he’ll see that 3rd year.
August 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
priesttj Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east.
But I saw on film that our technigue was not good and the discipline was a real issue.
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I have decided to be patient and watch Marshall, Board and Haluchak (spelling) and Cable work their plan. They deserve that opportunity.
I also decided to withold my opinion on the draft and let the guys play. Leave the past where it was. However, you calling me out for my support of Raji/Brace or some MLB from USC east has forced me to renege on that promise.
Unspoken thoughts based on immediate obseravations…
1. The Raiders would have been better off drafting Raji at #7 over DHB. —
Yes. DHB is a great kid and I am rooting for him BIGTIME….Especially in light of ESPN disrespecting because he’s a Raider…however, the guy is still a raw talent with unreliable hands. Louis Murphy is outperforming him. Chaz Schilens is growing into a long-term solution this team hasn’t seen in years. JLH is still solid. This is why I don’t believe much in drafting receivers early. Receivers emerge all over the draft.
The defensive line is looking shaky by all observers. And the depth is looking like one of the top concerns going into the season. B.J Raji would have been a nice fill in on this D-Line. Sands is on the watch list, Joseph and Boschetti are big unknowns, Kelly is jumping off-sides and has no real competition. Warren seems to be filling in ok.
I think the unspoken word is: “We should have drafted Raji at #7 and grabbed up Louis Murphy in the 2nd or 3rd round”
Just sayin
August 8th, 2009 at 8:16 am
priesttj Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east
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Continued:
2. The Raiders probably should have grabbed Jasper Brinkley or someone similiar over Slade Norris
Yes — Clearly the Marshall and company are not satisfied with the MLB picture…or SLB for that matter. The Raiders are moving Brown in a spirited competition…brought in Franz Joseph for hopeful hitting power…went as far as to ask a tight end to switch to MLB. Interchanging Morrison for Brown on a daily basis.
What does this say? They wanted meaningful competition at a position they feel needs better play. Why not draft Brinkly 4.5 40yd dash and have a real MLB compete with Morrison…and then push the loser to SLB?
Slade Norris? This guy is here to possibly replace Sam Williams. Not to get a shot to start on day 1.
The Raiders want physical play up the middle….Hard hitters.
They got it when they drafted Mike Mitchell…they missed the boat by trying to go CHEAP at the MLB (Brinkley) and NT (Raji)…
So we have to hope that Marshall, Board and Haluchuck get it right.
Now, let’s get back to supporting the Raiders that are on the field!
August 8th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Raiderrockstar? Oaklifer? Where you 2 @?
August 8th, 2009 at 8:35 am
???
August 8th, 2009 at 8:36 am
77th
August 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
78th
August 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Wait for it……………79th
August 8th, 2009 at 8:38 am
SNB
At least Marshall, Board and Haluchak have plenty of experience, they have succesfully tutored young players in the past.
Ryan, Millard and Martindale had never held their respective positions in the NFL until we hired them.
Perhaps guys like Kelly, Scott, Richardson, Gunheim, Morrison, Brown, Alston and Howard will benefit from their experience, some of them have been in the league for a few years now but they’ve known only 1 coach (Ryan) and it’s safe to say he didn’t get the most out of them, at least I’m hoping he didn’t…
August 8th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Actually rob Ryan offered more than anyone could imagine, he developed Michael huff, made the best use of Deangelo hall, and nets not forget about Terdell sands.
August 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am
# jhill Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am
•I couldn’t help but notice that William Joseph was creating havoc when he was in. He plowed through the line to stop McFadden for a one-yard loss on one play and was getting a good push when the offense went back to pass. His best play was probably one in which he simply destroyed Marcus Johnson by bull-rushing him and knocking the lineman flat on his back.
•No defensive lineman was as successful as defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti. Boschetti had two sacks by my count. On one of them, he was held by Erik Pears who got him to the ground before he could get to the quarterback. Immediately, Boschetti yelled at officials, “Pull that [stuff]! Pull that!” As the flag finally came out, he responded, “Whoo!” ‘Fired up’ might be an understatement for Boschetti tonight, but his play certainly showed it. Boschetti has been playing at the tackle and end positions during camp, but his best play has been at defensive tackle.
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Yup! Looks like you guys might finally get your wish and see Sands cut.
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glad we kept Joseph around. thought he stood out with his quickness and good bodylean beating Gs and Cs in the limited times he was in there. he could be used as DE in run situations too with his athleticism imo. he has all the tools. a former 1st round talent, hes still young and maybe he is putting it all together finally
Boschjetti, never saw him play a down but ill take anybody that gets the fundamental job of playing with good leverage done upfront and is able to make plays, even if its bouncing off the plays outside with a good push or by simply holding his ground. its not much that is expected from the DTs
and as for Sands, i think he has at least a 4th round value around the league so maybe we can trade him too towards the end of the camps with probably more teams in need of a DT with starting experience. the camps just started and already the panthers, for instance, just lost their DT and could cough up a 3rd if nobody else steps up in their camp and they get deperate.
Sandman was one of my favs on the team when he burst on the scene and had his moments in limited time before his moms passing, and he still has his moments, but he and especially he just gets toyed around by smaller players down there because of his bad technique AND his slooww first step. he makes a play and then looks like he doesnt belong on the very next. these indeed could be his last days as a Raider with all the guys doing it right. even Des Bryant had a play worth twittering/blogging so we might be forced to cut him
but regardless, i just love the attention to detail that coach TC preaches since day one, to the entire team too with the dwindeling # of penalties and stupid mistakes towards the end of the year playing major roles in the last wins, cause as he stated the competition in that sense will take care of our woes putting the best 53 on the field come gameday. and we see that procedure go to work at the DT positions and elsewhere….TC was a blessing from the football gods for this team.
thanks for the info Jhill…
August 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am
It’s a great day to listen to MR’s bs! The guy actually thinks John Madden hates Al Davis!! Don’t believe me? Well, read this…and I rebutted it with those pesky things called facts and links…
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
>>How do you shytbags know that I don’t know Madden in person? >>
You may have and he most likely laughed at what a moron you are.
>>I’ll give you one hint
right now: Madden never goes to Alameda.>>
Ahhh, he was at Art Shell’s press conference moron. That was in Alameda.
>>He’ll attend a Raider pre season game once in a blue moon.>>
Isn’t he usually working?
>>He apprciates Al giving him the job, and that’s about it.>>
Then why did he say at Al’s HOF induction that Al was his best friend moron?
>>Madden’s connection is with his former players.>>
We already know that. Yet he chose Al to introduce him at his HOF induction. Care to explain that one?
>>Al Davis is a necessary evil in the whole scheme of things because he gave Madden his job. >>
And yet Madden constantly gushes about him in interviews, autobiographies, etc.
>>Madden never visits Davis, they never hang out or talk, hardly ever.>>
And yet they were both by Bill Walsh’s side when he passed away.
>>Madden’s friends with more Niner guys than he is
with Raider guys. >>
Like who?
>>Madden is a respectful, honorable guy who won’t bite the hand that
feeds him, but you girls would be hurt if yo u knew what he really thought of Al Davis.
Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do. >>
LMAO!!! From Madden’s HOF speech….“This is a celebration. It has to be fun. To have Al Davis here is something special. I mean, if it weren’t for Al, I wouldn’t be here. He was a guy that gave me an opportunity. He was a guy that hired me 40 years ago, brought me into pro football. He was a guy that made me a head coach when I was 32 years old. I had two years of pro coaching experience.
Who the heck names a guy 32 years old as a head coach? Al Davis did. But he not only named me head coach, he stood behind me and he helped me and he provided me with players, with great players. As he was saying, nine of the players are in the Hall of Fame. I mean, those are the types of players that he provided me with.
He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.aspx?release_id=2178
>>He thinks he’s a f’n fool who needs to retire. That’s why Madden wouldn’t come here to GM, despite Al begging him to.>>
Is this all in your imaginary conversation with him?
August 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
He also gave fans hope and inspired us all, who here remembers when he cut his hair for charity? When Miami buffalo and san Diego were down who cheered up their fans by putting in a prevent defense? When you guys wanted blitzing, who practiced blitzing packages while in training camp? When terdell sands needed competition for his daily hot dog eating contest, who was there for him?
ROB RYAN, thats who
We love you rob
–shout out to oaklifer–
August 8th, 2009 at 8:55 am
We need all the linemen we can get on defense , we’ve been thin there for the past two years so I’d say Sands stays for now.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Defensive line
re Greg Ellis
t Tommy Kelly
t Jamarcus Russell
le Trevor Scott
August 8th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Madden Raider is suffering from Al-zheimers. He is clearly incapable of reading comprehension at this point or the ability to remember what he reads or posts mere seconds after he does so. Or he’s a flat out liar.
He complains all day about everything the Raiders do and sides with douchebags like Ricochet who amazingly so, is more delusional than he is. Like I told him yesterday, he’s a disgrace to the namesake of John Madden.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:11 am
What we need is Stuart schweigert. Now that guy made everyone around him better
August 8th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Schweigert was also developed by rob ryan
August 8th, 2009 at 9:17 am
IMO the greatest raider to ever put on a silver and black uniform would have to be Warren sapp
August 8th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Oaklifer
August 8th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Wow its saturday and no oaklifer.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:21 am
To whom it may concern oaklifer and i have a “no need to state” pact to always mention eachother.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I think the raiders need to stop the run
August 8th, 2009 at 9:24 am
If the raiders commit less penalties they should have a better shot at winning games
August 8th, 2009 at 9:25 am
If the raiders convert on third down they will have a better shot of scoring more often
August 8th, 2009 at 9:27 am
IMO if the raiders keep missing tackles it is more likely that the will lose than win
August 8th, 2009 at 9:27 am
treyrockstarespn Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 9:17 am
IMO the greatest raider to ever put on a silver and black uniform would have to be Warren sapp
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Im assuming you mean that he is the best player to have worn the uniform? and not the best as a raider? meaning his play while a raider?
August 8th, 2009 at 9:29 am
If the raiders continue to put 2nd string players as starters they will lose more games
August 8th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Nope his best days were as a raider
August 8th, 2009 at 9:33 am
He criticized al Davis!!!! And he is still alive after doing so!
August 8th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Stuart Schweigert waisted his own talents all by himself bro. dude looked like he never did a freaking biceps curl in his life despite getting destroyed on sundays and was still promoting his cookouts with granmama’s live on the insternet, with his specialty being shoelace-spaghettis. WTF? what an imposter that guy was. and i think we only got him because he broke Rod Woodsons int record at purdue while Rod was on the team too and desrved to go out on a 0-16 note. or is he still in the league? i would be shocked if that guy is still around.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
On the beach in Cancun Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Thec07…post #10 on previous.
Good post and thanks for the add on Blecher Report on DHB.
Good article and it supports our decision to go with him. Crabtree is too slow and that’s probably why he’s holding out. That, and because Crabtree is an idiot. He doesn’t seem to be playing with a full deck, either.
I’m looking forward to the day that Chris Carter & Tom Jackson from ESPN have to eat their words for bad rapping the young kid when we drafted him. Carter couldn’t stop running his mouth. And, Jackson, couldn’t stop laughing.
Two idiots acting as unprofessional as possible. I hate both of them now. Hate the Vikings because Carter played for them and hate the Broncos even more, since Jackson played for those idiots when Shanarat was their coach.
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In other words, they stated Bey was a foolish pick, and his play so far proves the pundits correct?
Yeah, I know.
Everyone knows.
Isn’t your #7 pick supposed to be getting reports about making awesome catches? Outrunning the defense?
Instead you’re desperately waiting for a report that says “HEY??? He caught a ball.”
Crabtree is slow? lol.
Then he must be the best of all time in doing what he has to in order to get open, considering he pretty much won almost every award out there.
You saw the list..you need it again?
BTW..considering how “fast” Bey is..care to explain why he sucked in college?
Save the “different scheme”. Had he been a threat, he would have been utilized.
Let me help.
“Bey is fast. Can’t catch the ball, but boy, he’s fast.”
that help?
August 8th, 2009 at 9:37 am
KoolKell Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Russell is relying on his arm to squeeze the ball into tight spaces.
He knows he can get away with it.
He only threw 8 ints last year.
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Oh yeah, he rocks.
Worst starting qb IN THE NFL LAST YEAR.
Worst at 3rd down conversion.
Worst at receiving yards.
Oh yeah, he’s the bomb. *thumbs up*
August 8th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Oaklifer we need your opinion
August 8th, 2009 at 9:39 am
treyrockstarespn Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 9:33 am
He criticized al Davis!!!! And he is still alive after doing so!
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lol This is true. I don’t know about his best days, but I guess he did his part for a time.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am
The fact that Michael Bush is not our starting running back is a testament to the stupidity of Al Davis and Tom Cable.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Anyhow, Kush, I think, whoever you are: I criticize Al Davis, and anything that he dictates. Don’t act like I’m not a fan. I was probably a fan before you were born. I go back to the ’70s, playa patna. Don’t bring my Raider patriotism into question.
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Kush is a flea who got slammed non-stop on MVN.com.
Of course, that board is about as busy as a bald guys comb.
Kush is one of those “fans” who so desperately wants everyone to drink the kool ade with him, never questioning anything.
This fool actually went on record stating Kwame Harris was an awesome pickup, and that he was going to the ProBowl..and GUARANTEED IT.
That help explain how slow Kush is?
August 8th, 2009 at 9:42 am
To be honest im not sold on DHB yet, but im gonna wait till I see production. If he does well it worked, if he doesnt then he is a bust.
However drafting based on speed alone is stupid, I can run under 4.5 can I get a shot? lol
August 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Kush Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Ricochet you’re next on my hit list. I’m tired of reading your sorry, pathetic, nonsensical posts too.
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You fool..You’ll be reduced, AGAIN, to waiting for help, hoping someone helps you up.
And then, after you get royally shot down, you’ll run your patented ‘Ok, I’m busy now.”
I’ll say it again, shut up before you hurt yourself.
I would add “shut up before you embarrass yourself” but we’re beyond that.
August 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Ever see the hit on Tony gonzales by Stuart?
August 8th, 2009 at 9:45 am
I’ll be back later, ladies.
Now, as your assignment..tell me again why Bey was a good #7 pick?
LMAO..I know..made you laugh as well, didn’t it?
August 8th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Ryan had been one of the few constants on the team during his five years as defensive coordinator. The team went through four head coaches, four offensive coordinators and six offensive play-callers in that span, posting a 20-60 record.
In his five years, the Raiders allowed an NFL-worst 101 rushing touchdowns and the second-most yards per game at 138.7. Oakland’s 154 sacks in that span were the seventh fewest in the league.
Biggest offseason move…..FINALLY dumping Ryan!!!
August 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I feel embarrased for kush, what a loser
August 8th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Heyward bey was picked at #7 because he ran a 4.23 speed at Maryland and al thought he could sell out the remaining two games of the season by drafting him cause it reminds people of California locations heyward = Hayward and bey = the bay
August 8th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Saintkaufman if rob were here right now he would make you eat your words.. Than he would eat you after he fills you up with that bull
August 8th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Sign DL Shaun Smith (6′2 325), he’s the kind of wide body we could use in the middle, he was originally a DT with Cincy, signed a good deal as a RFA with Cleveeland where played NT and DE, but here he could probably earn a role in the DT rotation and provide some much needed depth.
He’s reportedly a big talker and kind of an a-hole, his days as a Brown were numbered since he punched Brady Quinn late last year, bring him in to compete with Sands, Boscheti and Joseph, cut him if he sucks, no big deal.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:00 am
He may be a big body, but rarely got a chance to play based on talent I would imagin, plus the bad attitude as you mentiond, is it really worth it to bring in a person that skill sets are pretty much the same and prob a little worse? I mean competition is good I guess but whats the point?
August 8th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Warren sapp said rob Ryan didn’t have control of the defense al did.
With that in mind, when al was hurt the last couple of weeks in the hospital isn’t it a strange coincidence that the raiders started to play better? The doctors probably took away his phone privleges cause they thought he was crazy, believin it’s the late 70s still, so he couldn’t call the shots on gameday. The offensive and defensive coaches finally got to call their own plays as a result, they played better.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Bring him in so he and sands can punch lechler together, they will develop chemistry and be the next Kevin & pat Williams
August 8th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Oaklifer
August 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Headbutt
Smith actually played a lot, started 20 game the last couple of years, I don’t know if that’s good or bad since the Browns Defense wasn’t much better than ours, but he may be better suited to play DT as a rotational guy.
All I’m saying is take a look at him, one thing I’ve heard about the guy is that he’s hard to move, which is more than we can say about Sands.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Ya, the last 5 games he started for the browns seemed like OK games, 4, 5 , 6 tackles. Like you said, mayb a guy you sit in the hole and hope RB’s collide with I guess.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:32 am
LOL,
Welcome back SnB !!!!!
Nice try, but Louis Murphy in rd 2 does not give us what DHB does. The deep speed to draw the defense over the top and open up the underneath stuff. If anything, he is in competition with Chaz and Walker for snaps.
And Raji hasn’t even shown up for camp but we should have taken him to be our #3 DT?
Welcome back man!
August 8th, 2009 at 10:37 am
If we are not playing the 3-4, then we don’t really need some 320lb wide body.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am
players go nuts
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McFadden just flattened Ryan Bosseccetti
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August 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
bey has been catching, evidently since we haven’t been reading five articles a day about drops, probably just needs to get the ball put away before making a move be my guess.
even better he has been he has been opening up the middle and drawing penalties just what he was hired to do.
ohh i forgot to mention he’s really fast and pretty big too.
line depth on both sides seems to be lacking, we now have 2 mill from the burgess trade freed up any one know how much cap space was avialable before that
sick of reading the craptree dhb stuff.
as for “the wall” its a track term mainly for 400-800 meter guys its when lactic acid build up in the muscles and it takes every bit of effort to keep going, one good thing about hitting the wall is the next time it takes longer to hit it
August 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Shaun Smith
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5451
Its already been mentioned but heres his stats. We need all the help we can get.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:54 am
jhill Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 10:32 am
LOL,
Welcome back SnB !!!!!
Nice try, but Louis Murphy in rd 2 does not give us what DHB does. The deep speed to draw the defense over the top and open up the underneath stuff. If anything, he is in competition with Chaz and Walker for snaps.
And Raji hasn’t even shown up for camp but we should have taken him to be our #3 DT?
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Louis Murhpy has the speed, route running and hands to spread out a defense. A 7th overall pick is also supposed to be a complete receiver. Not just a deep threat that takes a safety with him down field. DHB has to be the guy capable of snagging 70 to 80 catches a game. He can get there. But it won’t come quickly.
As for Raji as our #3 DT. Why not? DHB is our #3 to #4 wide receiver. Plus, Gerard Warren is in his 9th season, Sands/Kelly/Boschetti/Joseph their 7th yrs. Plus Warren and Sands are nearing the end of their contracts. Raji could have brought some youth and competition to this group.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Shaun Smith
2009 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 67 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Smith flashes ability, but consistency remains a problem. He does have value, though, and can be effective in a rotation at both defensive end and nose tackle in Cleveland’s 3-4 scheme. But, he lacks the long athletic build to keep blockers off his body at end and isn’t quite stout enough to excel on the nose when asked to play a high amount of snaps.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:56 am
All,
Don’t read my above comments as “hating” on the Raiders or the draft. I am just stating my opinion as a person on the outside without access to film, coaches and all that.
I really do hope for DHB and company to stick it to the league.
I also am very optimistic about the offense going into 2009.
Defense, not quite as optimistic, but hopeful
August 8th, 2009 at 10:57 am
24,
I would only bring in a new DT if the coaches did not believe in the guys on the roster now.
Picking up another teams refuse at this point is probably not going to be a meaningful upgrade to this point.
Better to stick with the guys now and coach’em up as they say
August 8th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Ok SnB …
August 8th, 2009 at 11:11 am
jhill Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Ok SnB …
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Excerpt from tfdssports.com http://tfdssports.com/2009/08/07/training-camp—day-10-quick-thoughts.html
•In those coverage drills, Justin Miller was victimized by Louis Murphy. Murphy beat him so badly the first time that Miller was nearly five yards behind him when Frye connected for the long pass. The second time, Miller looked better, but not better than Murphy as the rookie schooled the veteran again for a 10-yard gain. Miller shouldn’t feel too badly, because Murphy is giving other defensive backs headaches as well. Murphy got open on 7-on-7 drills against Stanford Routt and Mike Mitchell, for witch Mitchell was counseled again. Later, he caught a 40-yard pass from Frye and was so wide open that I couldn’t tell who was supposed to be covering him. It’s rare that a rookie wide receiver looks like a starter, but Murphy doesn’t play like a rookie.
•Speaking of rookie receivers, Darrius Heyward-Bey continues to get himself open when being guarded by a defender. The only problem is that he also continues to have problems catching the ball. In the few opportunities that he had tonight, I credited him with two and a half drops
August 8th, 2009 at 11:15 am
LOL at where you cut off the article …
In the few opportunities that he had tonight, I credited him with two and a half drops. The half drop came when he was a little overthrown and he got a hand on the ball. Taking that away, he had two bad drops–one coming as he was wide open with four defenders in the area. The other drop was a lot harder to catch as it sailed through the hands of Thomas Howard before also sailing through his. Even with his inconsistent hands, I like his progress. After practice, he and Nick Miller were taking rep’s. on the juggs machine.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Don’t get me wrong, I like Murphy, but Miller and Mitchell????
DHB is doing his damage against the first team defense.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am
“It’s rare that a rookie wide receiver looks like a starter, but Murphy doesn’t play like a rookie”
August 8th, 2009 at 11:21 am
jhill Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Don’t get me wrong, I like Murphy, but Miller and Mitchell????
DHB is doing his damage against the first team defense.
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I like DHB too. But he’s been dropping more balls than I care to hear about. Its early and all that and i get it.
DHB is going against the 1st team because he was the #7 overall pick. Murphy is going against the 2nd team because he was #100 something.
My guess is that Murphy and DHB will be close when it comes to a final grade coming into the season. And whatever gap exists…won’t be reflected in the draft status.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
# Richochet Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Kush is one of those “fans” who so desperately wants everyone to drink the kool ade with him, never questioning anything.
This fool actually went on record stating Kwame Harris was an awesome pickup, and that he was going to the ProBowl..and GUARANTEED IT.
That help explain how slow Kush is?
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Rotflmfao. Ricochet you ara a lying piece fecal matter. Now I know that you are a delusional fool. That’s why your posts make no sense. You have the iq of a banana slug, and that’s actually an insult to the banana slug.
I have NEVER said anything remotely close to praise of ANY KIND for Kwame Harris. Your presence here on this blog is no longer needed.
May a virus corrupt your hard drive and render your computer inoperable. Never post here again please. Thank you.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
# priesttj Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Everyone has attacked Ryan’s schemes calling them basic and vanilla. Saying he doesn’t blitz and didn’t know how to attack offenses. Which is all crap. we played every type of defense yu want to see. It wasn’t scheme or the lack of 3/4 or cover2. That stuff is stupid. It was bad fundamentals and technigue and a serious lack of sound tackling………..period
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No….Ryan never blitzed when he should have and never ran any type of zone blitzing schemes. It was terrible to watch….he relied on the front four when it was clear they couldn’t get to the QB consistently. We have fast LB’s like Howard who would probably excel at blitzing….Marshall better realize and utlize the LB’s and the fast DB’s to get to the QB when needed. the defensive schemes need to mixed up and not be predictable week in and week out like how it was under Rob the Slob Ryan.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:59 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am
It’s a great day to listen to MR’s bs! The guy actually thinks John Madden hates Al Davis!! Don’t believe me? Well, read this…and I rebutted it with those pesky things called facts and links…
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
>>How do you shytbags know that I don’t know Madden in person? >>
You may have and he most likely laughed at what a moron you are.
>>I’ll give you one hint
right now: Madden never goes to Alameda.>>
Ahhh, he was at Art Shell’s press conference moron. That was in Alameda.
>>He’ll attend a Raider pre season game once in a blue moon.>>
Isn’t he usually working?
>>He apprciates Al giving him the job, and that’s about it.>>
Then why did he say at Al’s HOF induction that Al was his best friend moron?
>>Madden’s connection is with his former players.>>
We already know that. Yet he chose Al to introduce him at his HOF induction. Care to explain that one?
>>Al Davis is a necessary evil in the whole scheme of things because he gave Madden his job. >>
And yet Madden constantly gushes about him in interviews, autobiographies, etc.
>>Madden never visits Davis, they never hang out or talk, hardly ever.>>
And yet they were both by Bill Walsh’s side when he passed away.
>>Madden’s friends with more Niner guys than he is
with Raider guys. >>
Like who?
>>Madden is a respectful, honorable guy who won’t bite the hand that
feeds him, but you girls would be hurt if yo u knew what he really thought of Al Davis.
Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do. >>
LMAO!!! From Madden’s HOF speech….“This is a celebration. It has to be fun. To have Al Davis here is something special. I mean, if it weren’t for Al, I wouldn’t be here. He was a guy that gave me an opportunity. He was a guy that hired me 40 years ago, brought me into pro football. He was a guy that made me a head coach when I was 32 years old. I had two years of pro coaching experience.
Who the heck names a guy 32 years old as a head coach? Al Davis did. But he not only named me head coach, he stood behind me and he helped me and he provided me with players, with great players. As he was saying, nine of the players are in the Hall of Fame. I mean, those are the types of players that he provided me with.
He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.aspx?release_id=2178
>>He thinks he’s a f’n fool who needs to retire. That’s why Madden wouldn’t come here to GM, despite Al begging him to.>>
Is this all in your imaginary conversation with him?
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MaddenRaider was dead on.
You guys confuse business with personal.
Davis gave Madden the position. Davis was also the biggest a-hole ever while Madden was in the position.
Is there a SINGLE FORMER HEAD COACH of the Raiders that speaks glowingly of Al as an owner? No, none, zero, for a reason.
First HC, John Rauch, QUIT because Al wouldn’t stop butting in.
Madden had a period that, during the season, refused to talk to Davis for A FULL THREE MONTHS because Al P.O.ed him so much.
Go read up on what players like Phil Villipiano said about how Al screwed over Madden.
And, of course Al did the same with Flores, then Shell, then Shanahan, on and on and on…
Madden knows the politically correct thing to say, and toes that line.
But don’t confuse business with pleasure.
Business side says “Al gave me my opportunity. Al’s a friend. If I ever need anything I’ll call Al.”
Personal side says Madden has never called Al, has nothing to do with Al, and like every other former HC of the Raiders, is jazzed he’s done with Al.
Some of you should refrain from commenting on things you know little about…guys like Maddendouche, Kush, few others. Stick to copying headline reports, stick to stating what the team TELLS YOU to state.
The world needs puppets, and you’re a shoe in.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Ricochet posts=Diarrhea of the mouth. Completely worthless and hazardous to your health.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Ricochet is a lying coward. You have yet to answer the question I asked you yesterday…
What is your favorite football team Ricochet?
August 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Kush Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
# Richochet Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Kush is one of those “fans” who so desperately wants everyone to drink the kool ade with him, never questioning anything.
This fool actually went on record stating Kwame Harris was an awesome pickup, and that he was going to the ProBowl..and GUARANTEED IT.
That help explain how slow Kush is?
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Rotflmfao. Ricochet you ara a lying piece fecal matter. Now I know that you are a delusional fool. That’s why your posts make no sense. You have the iq of a banana slug, and that’s actually an insult to the banana slug.
I have NEVER said anything remotely close to praise of ANY KIND for Kwame Harris. Your presence here on this blog is no longer needed.
May a virus corrupt your hard drive and render your computer inoperable. Never post here again please. Thank you.
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First off, you’re full of crap. You’re saying you’re NOT Kush from mvn? You lying fool..you admitted THERE that you came over here.
And it’s well documented on how you were on Kwame’s sac, stating how all he needed was a good coach, like Cable, to turn him “into a stud”.
What? You need links?
BTW..you’re true to form.
You state above that “now Richochet is on my list”, that you were going to put me in my place, and now?
You’re begging me to leave?
See my comment ABOVE PREDICTING YOU BEGGING OFF, STATING YOU’RE DONE. Only you would be slow enough to prove me right, almost immediately.
Now, back to the shadows for you, foolish wimp.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
in defense of 24 this guy might be worth checking out seven more tackles in five fewer games than sands/ and cleveland had eight dt on thier roster more of a roster space move on thier part instead of performance related
jaust sayin
August 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Ricochet…
For the third time, who is your favorite football team?
August 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Like I said before. Before this camp/preseason is over DHB will likely be on par if not better than Murph. Murph just had so much more time to get up to NFL speed.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Kush Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Ricochet is a lying coward. You have yet to answer the question I asked you yesterday…
What is your favorite football team Ricochet?
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Comment above is about the Raiders.
From you? Nothing.
Comment is about Madden/Davis butting heads.
From you? NOTHING.
Comments are about Bey approaching crash and burn.
From Kush? NOTHING..all you’re good for is stating “I BELIEVE EVERYTHING AL DOES IS GREAT. EVERYTHING THE RAIDERS DO SHOULD NEVER BE QUESTIONED. I AM A LEMMING.”
Instead of discussing the Raiders, you want to instead ignore the Raider comments, so you can make comments about another team?
There’s a reason for that.
Because you know squat about the Raiders.
You know better than to challenge me regarding the Raiders.
Now, quick, beg me to leave, stating how “he’s not worth it”, realizing you shouldn’t have challenged me in the first place.
HEY??? I know..maybe someone will comment to me, and you can say “What he said”?
Why change now, little man?
August 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Ricochet…Who’s your favorite football team?
August 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Kush Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Ricochet…
For the third time, who is your favorite football team?
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I just torched your view regarding Madden, up on post 140.
and from you? Nothing.
Borrow someone’s huevos, and actually take a stand.
Don’t wimp out. Don’t make excuses. You’re being called out for being a fakeass Raider fan who couldn’t discuss the team if your life depended on it.
Hell, I guarantee it.
Prove me wrong, little boy.
(Guarantee you won’t do that either
Kids play smacking you down, KushPuss.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
You are the only spineless little puss I see here. You can’t even publicly state who your favorite football team is. You obviously are not a Raider fan.
You refuse to state your favorite team, because you probably don’t own a television and so the only games you have actually ever watched are your kids Pop Warner League games.
You are an incoherent piece of toilet stool who’s only purpose here is to spread lies and disarray.
And for the record, I have never posted on MVN and I have never stated that Kwame Harris was going to the Pro Bowl. Show me the so-called links that you have to prove it. You can’t because THEY DON’T EXIST.
Like I said the more you talk, the more insane you prove yourself to be. Your posts are incoherent and make no sense.
Who writes your posts for you, Sarah Palin??
August 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Ha ha, Kush. You’re funny. Sarah Palin can’t write.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
So far? From Kush regarding Madden? NOTHING.
Davis? NOTHING.
Bey? NOTHING..
Oh, and congrats on figuring out I’m not a Raider fan.
BTW, if my posts made no sense, you would shred them.
Yet from you? Nothing. (we’ll discard the fact that above you called me out, stating I’m now going to be a target of yours. My reply was all you would reply with is NOTHING.
You’re a joke, little man.
Uh..Madden? anything?
Bey?
Davis? lol..yeah..figured.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Ricochet, thank you. I couldn’t have put it better. Oakglenn likes to argue your points with red herrings, he sort of changes the subject mid argument. It’s his style. Sometimes I just get tired of fighting with him, especially when he’s using his troll names like “douchebag”. But you responded exactly as I would have. Madden is never around Al Davis. Think about how much more he could defend Al than just making a speech at his HOF ceremony. Madden was asked to speak at that. Like he’s going to turn it down! And, furthermore, like he’s going to get up there and say, “if I wouldnt have started my own regime on the field and let Stabler call his own plays, and done things Al’s way? We never would have won”. Of course Madden is going to say kind things about Al when asked. Then Al’s kook aid drinkers quote Madden and act like Madden and Davis kick it everyday. Madden goes to Alameda once in a blue moon. He does not like Al Davis.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Think of all of the times in recent years, when Davis was under major scrutiny, that Madden could have just come out and got his back. Davis/Kiffin. Nothing from Madden on the subject. Not a peep. Why didn’t Madden just come out and say that Kiffin was being unappreciative, what have you? Go on record defending his “best friend”, Al Davis? Madden was mum on the issue, because he liked what Kiffin was doing, and you guys know it.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Hi everyone…
I don’t like the Raiders. I’m too scared to say who my favorite football team is. I don’t own a television. I’m a eunuch. I’ve never had a girlfriend either. The truth is I’ve never even seen a football game. I watch FUTBOL though…GOOOOOOAALLLLL!!
My posts make no sense. I accuse people of things they didn’t do. I get owned by 16 year old Raider fans. I actually never graduated from middle school. I have an IQ of negative 3.
Who am I?
August 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBW7ysPcbT0
August 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Niner Games
August 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
TRMR-
ROTF at your post number 160
August 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
maddenraider thanx thats good stuff still laughing
August 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
“I think the team that wins the super bowl will be either the team that wins the afc championship or the team that wins the nfc championship”
August 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Exert
“Quarterback JaMarcus Russell kept completing passes to wide open receivers in the middle ***when Heyward-Bey was in**** the drills. Comments by cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and wide receive Chaz Schilens began to make things clearer.
“The speed, that’s his gift.” Said Asomugha, who once ran a 4.38 second 40 yard dash.
Schilens took one step further, “Darrius is so fast that sometimes they (defensive backs) are just so worried about his speed that I can just slip in there unnoticed.”
If Heyward-Bey is so fast that he makes Schilens a 6-foot-4 inch receiver that runs a 4.38 second 40 yard dash go unnoticed than his very presence on the field is already paying dividends.”
http://www.raiderbeat.com
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This was a primary reason why DHB was drafted. You’ve got to put him on the field if it pays this much dividends to the O. I don’t think it’ll be too long before he’s starting. This team is fast becoming nightmarish.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Naw I mean exactly what I said.
You know the first person to accuse someone of being gay is kinda like the first person to accuse someone else of farting. The first person to say it is usually the person that’s actually guilty.
Like I said, it’s ok for you to come out the closet Trey I mean Gayrockstarespn.
August 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Kush,
you ever beat off in the shower?
August 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Kush Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Kush says:
And for the record, I have never posted on MVN and I have never stated that Kwame Harris was going to the Pro Bowl. Show me the so-called links that you have to prove it. You can’t because THEY DON’T EXIST.
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You lie.
You should know better than to challenge me.
http://tfdssports.com/2008/06/24/kwame-harris-must-find-his-niche-at-left-tackle-thoughts-from-a-readers-side.html
Posted by KUSHMAN, June 24, 2008 8:01 AM
yes i do believe that tom cable and kwame will come thro and work their magic of protecting the blindside of j-russ.. and be a MONSTER rush blocker just as he was for frank gore in sf.. only he has a better line and 10x better coaching in oakland.. thats the difference here people.. he was a “bust” in san fran … a team with the worst offense in 07 because of the terrible o-line.. things will be different for him in oakland.. as the zone blocking system will be much better for him to adapt to..
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Uh..Peanut?
Not you? lol
That was just on the first thread I clicked on during the summer of ‘08.
You’re rather slow, aren’t you?
Hey, no shame in being slow. Means you have “potential” to get out of that abyss..things can only improve.
Same potential Bey has, lol.
August 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Ricochet, thank you. I couldn’t have put it better. Oakglenn likes to argue your points with red herrings, he sort of changes the subject mid argument. It’s his style. Sometimes I just get tired of fighting with him, especially when he’s using his troll names like “douchebag”. But you responded exactly as I would have. Madden is never around Al Davis. Think about how much more he could defend Al than just making a speech at his HOF ceremony. Madden was asked to speak at that. Like he’s going to turn it down! And, furthermore, like he’s going to get up there and say, “if I wouldnt have started my own regime on the field and let Stabler call his own plays, and done things Al’s way? We never would have won”. Of course Madden is going to say kind things about Al when asked. Then Al’s kook aid drinkers quote Madden and act like Madden and Davis kick it everyday. Madden goes to Alameda once in a blue moon. He does not like Al Davis.
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What’s also well known is if it wasn’t for Al, Madden would have stay around a lot longer.
Madden also publicly resented Davis telling him which players to play, and overruling plays called in, and defensive schemes called.
Even as recently as Warren Sapp stating the same thing, regarding the defense working on a certain scheme, only to have Al veto it, sometimes on the Friday before a game, sending things into chaos.
Only a fool would publicly say something that they know would be instant headlines, and would stir the pot, big time.
Madden isn’t a fool, and wisely gave the vanilla reply regarding Davis.
Even Gruden, who publicly insulted the hell out of Al when he wanted out, now realizes politically correct comments are the way to go, and resists all prods to get him to insult Al.
August 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
You’re an idiot. Kush and Kushman are two different names you dummy. You just proved that you actually can still only read kindergarten books. hahaha.
what an dummy you are.
August 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
well real madden sounds like we got a chance at the superbowl after all we did win our last game that guy is a comical genius
thanks agian just finished watching the end
August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Kush Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
You’re an idiot. Kush and Kushman are two different names you dummy. You just proved that you actually can still only read kindergarten books. hahaha.
what an dummy you are.
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riiiiggghhht…
Because they’re so many posters using the effiminent name “Kush”. Posters over there refer to you as “Kush”..so don’t even run that BS, little man.
Not to mention tht “Kushman”, on mvn, has commented about coming over to Jerry’s threads..but hey..just a coincidence, right?
The fact you’re still a spineless, ball-less, slapped on tool has been lost on no one.
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August 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Richochet is an idiot, spend more time worrying about your own team
293 receptions, 4,414 yards and 42 touchdowns – all Big 12 records these look just like crabtree stats
but they belong to Rashaun Woods
Woods played collegiately at Oklahoma State University and was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the 1st round (31st overall) of the 2004 NFL Draft
NFL career
Woods had 7 catches for 160 yards and 1 touchdown
college stats dont mean anything DHB will be better then crabtree cause he is gonna work hard fot it
August 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
im sorry madden but you dont sound like a raider fan you make up facts about john madden and agree with idiots who down play the raiders.
al davis was chosen to be the speaker for madden into the Hall of Fame nuff said that alone shows the love and respect he has for the man
August 8th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
RogRaiderFan Says:
August 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm college stats dont mean anything DHB will be better then crabtree cause he is gonna work hard fot it
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Arguably the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard.
Actually TWO of the dumbest comments I’ve ever heard.
“College stats don’t mean anything”???
SO YOU’RE SAYING ALL THESE YEARS that every team has been drafting players because of their college output should have just done what? An Al Davis? “Duh…is he fast? SIGN HIM.”
You’re an idiot. A full blown idiot.
Oh..and Bey is “going to be better than Crabtree because he is going to work hard for it”??
What? You’re saying he DIDN’T WORK HARD IN COLLEGE?
See how stupid that comment is?
Facts are both worked hard, and Crabtree was vastly superior to Bey.
Oh, and if Bey’s current production is due to his “working hard”?? Considering he sucks, maybe that “working hard” isn’t working out for him.
It’s called talent, dufus.
Something Crabtree has, and something Bey likely never will.
August 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am
just look at all the guys who won the heisman and never even get drafted matt lienart was a super star matt cassell (both for USC )never played you tell me whos better
Richochet what are you 12 you sound like you have never watched a game before college stats wont tell you who his gonna be a star in the nfl
because if teams just drafted off stats they would not hold the combine every year you dont know football and will be ignored from now on
are so lonely and sad to creat an account and blog about a team you dont like every single day thats just sad