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The wall arrives

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News and notes from Friday afternoon’s practice as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran and writers who contributed to transcribing group interviews:

– After a penalty-filled session Thursday night and a single session that didn’t meet up with the expectations of coach Tom Cable Friday, he conceded for the first time his team wasn’t up to par.

“Not really sharp today, you can tell we’re hitting that camp wall if you will and we have to kind of push through that,” Cable said. “How you regroup kind of answers how you are doing, how you are developing as a football team.”

– Justin Fargas agreed with Cable’s “wall” assessment.

“You could see it. In the two-minute drill, we weren’t that sharp,” Fargas said. “The intensity kind of tapered off. The defense didn’t fall off, we didn’t respond to their intensity.”

– No changes in terms of injuries. Those who did not practice included wide receiver Javon Walker, tackle Khalif Barnes, guard Robert Gallery, lineman Mark Wilson and cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson.

– There was one live session with, as Kirk Morrison hinted, “tackling to the ground,” but Cable wasn’t willing to divulge how often that would occur through the remainder of camp.

– Defensive coordinator John Marshall was made available to the media for the first time, said he watched every game over the last two years “three or four times” and stressed fundamentals.

“I think, obviously, you gentlemen and ladies know, that we need to improve the run (defense),” Marshall said. “That has everything to do with technique, and it has a whole ot to do with attitude and tackling. Those are areas, disengating blockers, fundamentals . . . better fundamentals.”

– Marshall on the hallmarks of one of his defenses: “I’d have to say that being detailed, doing the small things, fundamentally sound and we will bring pressure. We will bring pressure.”

– Will Asomugha be allowed to shadow the opponent’s top receiver? “That depends on the opponent,” Marshall said.

– Marshall on Al Davis: “I know he knows defense. The great thing is he is like me. He’s long in the tooth and he’s old school. It’s line up, there’s your guy, cover him. And there goes the ball, you go out there and tackle him. There’s the blocker, you knock his butt off and go to the ball. . . . keep it simple and play hard. And he’s very smart. He knows his football, believe me.”

– What about all the man-to-man pressure the Raiders play?

“I’ll tell you what, in my 30 years and 12 or 13 years of being a coordinator, I don’t think I’ve been blessed with a team that has the corners that can run like these men can do,” Marshall said. “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had. They are good, talented group.”

– Running back Michael Bush on the three-way competition between himself, Justin Fargas and Darren McFadden:

“We all know that we want that No. 1 spot. Basically it’s a way for us pushing each other on the field . . . sometimes, we bring it on the field as far as joking around and having fun . . . but it’s still a competition and I think that’s what makes us better.”

Bush even supported Fargas’ grandiose vision of three 1,000 yard backs.

“With the fullbacks that we have, we’re going to rock things with Lorenzo (Neal) and Big O (Oren O’Neal). He’s back to being 100 percent, as you see. He’s dropping his pads and being that hammer tha the was in 2007 . . . the zone scheme is made to have at least two 1,000-yard backs. It’s possible.”

Tight end Brandon Myers, a sixth-round pick out of Iowa, was selected in the sixth round of the draft becasue of his blocking skill skill and the potential to free Zach Miller in the passing game. He’s also begun to show up as a receiver.

“We knew we were getting something as a blocker, both as a run blocker and a pass protector,” Cable said. “The route stuff has been a bonus.”

Additional practice notes as relayed by Steve Corkran:

– Shane Lechler launched a punt that carried _ get this _ 108 yards. The ball traveled 75 yards in the air and sailed over Justin Miller’s head before it started bouncing. Miller, primarily a kickoff return specialist, looked as if he would be OK with never returning another punt in his life.

– Nick Miller, a darkhorse candidate as an undrafted free agent, worked on both punt returns and kickoff returns.

– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey fought off an illegal bump and made a catch on a crossing route that was flagged by officials at practice as a defensive foul.

– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland made a diving catch in front of Stanford Routt and added a 50-yard over-the-shoulder grab from Bruc eGradkowski over Justin Miller. Holland also drove Darrick Brown 10 yards back with a downfield block.

– Defensive end Trevor Scott was handled by Mario Henderson again, but broke through on one occasion for a sack, getting past Henderson and tight end Darryl Strong.

– Quarterback JaMarcus Russell continued to make some decisions that seemed questionable, but occasionally made them profitable, at one point threading a pass to Louis Murphy into the teeth of double coverage.

– Twitter reports by Morrison and running back Darren McFadden hinted at a “tackle-the-ground” practice, but were largely exaggerated.

– Two days after being crushed by Bush on a blocking drill, linebacker Ricky Brown returned the favor by breaking through in a team session around Mario Henderson and stopping bush in his tracks with a chest-high blow at the line of scrimmage.

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  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Ha ha, Kush. You’re funny. Sarah Palin can’t write.

  • Richochet

    So far? From Kush regarding Madden? NOTHING.
    Davis? NOTHING.
    Bey? NOTHING..

    Oh, and congrats on figuring out I’m not a Raider fan.

    BTW, if my posts made no sense, you would shred them.

    Yet from you? Nothing. (we’ll discard the fact that above you called me out, stating I’m now going to be a target of yours. My reply was all you would reply with is NOTHING.
    You’re a joke, little man.

    Uh..Madden? anything?
    Bey?
    Davis? lol..yeah..figured.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Ricochet, thank you. I couldn’t have put it better. Oakglenn likes to argue your points with red herrings, he sort of changes the subject mid argument. It’s his style. Sometimes I just get tired of fighting with him, especially when he’s using his troll names like “douchebag”. But you responded exactly as I would have. Madden is never around Al Davis. Think about how much more he could defend Al than just making a speech at his HOF ceremony. Madden was asked to speak at that. Like he’s going to turn it down! And, furthermore, like he’s going to get up there and say, “if I wouldnt have started my own regime on the field and let Stabler call his own plays, and done things Al’s way? We never would have won”. Of course Madden is going to say kind things about Al when asked. Then Al’s kook aid drinkers quote Madden and act like Madden and Davis kick it everyday. Madden goes to Alameda once in a blue moon. He does not like Al Davis.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Think of all of the times in recent years, when Davis was under major scrutiny, that Madden could have just come out and got his back. Davis/Kiffin. Nothing from Madden on the subject. Not a peep. Why didn’t Madden just come out and say that Kiffin was being unappreciative, what have you? Go on record defending his “best friend”, Al Davis? Madden was mum on the issue, because he liked what Kiffin was doing, and you guys know it.

  • Kush

    Hi everyone…

    I don’t like the Raiders. I’m too scared to say who my favorite football team is. I don’t own a television. I’m a eunuch. I’ve never had a girlfriend either. The truth is I’ve never even seen a football game. I watch FUTBOL though…GOOOOOOAALLLLL!!

    My posts make no sense. I accuse people of things they didn’t do. I get owned by 16 year old Raider fans. I actually never graduated from middle school. I have an IQ of negative 3.

    Who am I?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider
  • Kush

    Niner Games

  • Kush

    TRMR-

    ROTF at your post number 160

  • kvnbntly

    maddenraider thanx thats good stuff still laughing

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    “I think the team that wins the super bowl will be either the team that wins the afc championship or the team that wins the nfc championship”

  • Terrapin

    Exert

    “Quarterback JaMarcus Russell kept completing passes to wide open receivers in the middle ***when Heyward-Bey was in**** the drills. Comments by cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and wide receive Chaz Schilens began to make things clearer.

    “The speed, that’s his gift.” Said Asomugha, who once ran a 4.38 second 40 yard dash.

    Schilens took one step further, “Darrius is so fast that sometimes they (defensive backs) are just so worried about his speed that I can just slip in there unnoticed.”

    If Heyward-Bey is so fast that he makes Schilens a 6-foot-4 inch receiver that runs a 4.38 second 40 yard dash go unnoticed than his very presence on the field is already paying dividends.”

    http://www.raiderbeat.com

    ************************

    This was a primary reason why DHB was drafted. You’ve got to put him on the field if it pays this much dividends to the O. I don’t think it’ll be too long before he’s starting. This team is fast becoming nightmarish.

  • Kush

    Naw I mean exactly what I said.

    You know the first person to accuse someone of being gay is kinda like the first person to accuse someone else of farting. The first person to say it is usually the person that’s actually guilty.

    Like I said, it’s ok for you to come out the closet Trey I mean Gayrockstarespn.

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Kush,
    you ever beat off in the shower?

  • Richochet

    Kush Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
    Kush says:
    And for the record, I have never posted on MVN and I have never stated that Kwame Harris was going to the Pro Bowl. Show me the so-called links that you have to prove it. You can’t because THEY DON’T EXIST.
    ==============================

    You lie.
    You should know better than to challenge me.

    http://tfdssports.com/2008/06/24/kwame-harris-must-find-his-niche-at-left-tackle-thoughts-from-a-readers-side.html

    Posted by KUSHMAN, June 24, 2008 8:01 AM

    yes i do believe that tom cable and kwame will come thro and work their magic of protecting the blindside of j-russ.. and be a MONSTER rush blocker just as he was for frank gore in sf.. only he has a better line and 10x better coaching in oakland.. thats the difference here people.. he was a “bust” in san fran … a team with the worst offense in 07 because of the terrible o-line.. things will be different for him in oakland.. as the zone blocking system will be much better for him to adapt to..
    =======================
    Uh..Peanut?
    Not you? lol

    That was just on the first thread I clicked on during the summer of ’08.

    You’re rather slow, aren’t you?
    Hey, no shame in being slow. Means you have “potential” to get out of that abyss..things can only improve.
    Same potential Bey has, lol.

  • Richochet

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    Ricochet, thank you. I couldn’t have put it better. Oakglenn likes to argue your points with red herrings, he sort of changes the subject mid argument. It’s his style. Sometimes I just get tired of fighting with him, especially when he’s using his troll names like “douchebag”. But you responded exactly as I would have. Madden is never around Al Davis. Think about how much more he could defend Al than just making a speech at his HOF ceremony. Madden was asked to speak at that. Like he’s going to turn it down! And, furthermore, like he’s going to get up there and say, “if I wouldnt have started my own regime on the field and let Stabler call his own plays, and done things Al’s way? We never would have won”. Of course Madden is going to say kind things about Al when asked. Then Al’s kook aid drinkers quote Madden and act like Madden and Davis kick it everyday. Madden goes to Alameda once in a blue moon. He does not like Al Davis.
    ================================
    What’s also well known is if it wasn’t for Al, Madden would have stay around a lot longer.

    Madden also publicly resented Davis telling him which players to play, and overruling plays called in, and defensive schemes called.

    Even as recently as Warren Sapp stating the same thing, regarding the defense working on a certain scheme, only to have Al veto it, sometimes on the Friday before a game, sending things into chaos.

    Only a fool would publicly say something that they know would be instant headlines, and would stir the pot, big time.
    Madden isn’t a fool, and wisely gave the vanilla reply regarding Davis.
    Even Gruden, who publicly insulted the hell out of Al when he wanted out, now realizes politically correct comments are the way to go, and resists all prods to get him to insult Al.

  • Kush

    You’re an idiot. Kush and Kushman are two different names you dummy. You just proved that you actually can still only read kindergarten books. hahaha.

    what an dummy you are.

  • kvnbntly

    well real madden sounds like we got a chance at the superbowl after all we did win our last game that guy is a comical genius
    thanks agian just finished watching the end

  • Richochet

    Kush Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
    You’re an idiot. Kush and Kushman are two different names you dummy. You just proved that you actually can still only read kindergarten books. hahaha.

    what an dummy you are.

    ===============================
    riiiiggghhht…
    Because they’re so many posters using the effiminent name “Kush”. Posters over there refer to you as “Kush”..so don’t even run that BS, little man.

    Not to mention tht “Kushman”, on mvn, has commented about coming over to Jerry’s threads..but hey..just a coincidence, right?

    The fact you’re still a spineless, ball-less, slapped on tool has been lost on no one.

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  • RogRaiderFan

    Richochet is an idiot, spend more time worrying about your own team
    293 receptions, 4,414 yards and 42 touchdowns – all Big 12 records these look just like crabtree stats
    but they belong to Rashaun Woods
    Woods played collegiately at Oklahoma State University and was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the 1st round (31st overall) of the 2004 NFL Draft
    NFL career
    Woods had 7 catches for 160 yards and 1 touchdown
    college stats dont mean anything DHB will be better then crabtree cause he is gonna work hard fot it

  • RogRaiderFan

    im sorry madden but you dont sound like a raider fan you make up facts about john madden and agree with idiots who down play the raiders.
    al davis was chosen to be the speaker for madden into the Hall of Fame nuff said that alone shows the love and respect he has for the man

  • Richochet

    RogRaiderFan Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm college stats dont mean anything DHB will be better then crabtree cause he is gonna work hard fot it
    ======================
    Arguably the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard.
    Actually TWO of the dumbest comments I’ve ever heard.
    “College stats don’t mean anything”???
    SO YOU’RE SAYING ALL THESE YEARS that every team has been drafting players because of their college output should have just done what? An Al Davis? “Duh…is he fast? SIGN HIM.”
    You’re an idiot. A full blown idiot.

    Oh..and Bey is “going to be better than Crabtree because he is going to work hard for it”??
    What? You’re saying he DIDN’T WORK HARD IN COLLEGE?
    See how stupid that comment is?
    Facts are both worked hard, and Crabtree was vastly superior to Bey.
    Oh, and if Bey’s current production is due to his “working hard”?? Considering he sucks, maybe that “working hard” isn’t working out for him.
    It’s called talent, dufus.

    Something Crabtree has, and something Bey likely never will.

  • RogRaiderFan

    just look at all the guys who won the heisman and never even get drafted matt lienart was a super star matt cassell (both for USC )never played you tell me whos better
    Richochet what are you 12 you sound like you have never watched a game before college stats wont tell you who his gonna be a star in the nfl
    because if teams just drafted off stats they would not hold the combine every year you dont know football and will be ignored from now on
    are so lonely and sad to creat an account and blog about a team you dont like every single day thats just sad