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News and notes from Friday afternoon’s practice as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran and writers who contributed to transcribing group interviews:

— After a penalty-filled session Thursday night and a single session that didn’t meet up with the expectations of coach Tom Cable Friday, he conceded for the first time his team wasn’t up to par.

“Not really sharp today, you can tell we’re hitting that camp wall if you will and we have to kind of push through that,” Cable said. “How you regroup kind of answers how you are doing, how you are developing as a football team.”

— Justin Fargas agreed with Cable’s “wall” assessment.

“You could see it. In the two-minute drill, we weren’t that sharp,” Fargas said. “The intensity kind of tapered off. The defense didn’t fall off, we didn’t respond to their intensity.”

— No changes in terms of injuries. Those who did not practice included wide receiver Javon Walker, tackle Khalif Barnes, guard Robert Gallery, lineman Mark Wilson and cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson.

— There was one live session with, as Kirk Morrison hinted, “tackling to the ground,” but Cable wasn’t willing to divulge how often that would occur through the remainder of camp.

— Defensive coordinator John Marshall was made available to the media for the first time, said he watched every game over the last two years “three or four times” and stressed fundamentals.

“I think, obviously, you gentlemen and ladies know, that we need to improve the run (defense),” Marshall said. “That has everything to do with technique, and it has a whole ot to do with attitude and tackling. Those are areas, disengating blockers, fundamentals . . . better fundamentals.”

— Marshall on the hallmarks of one of his defenses: “I’d have to say that being detailed, doing the small things, fundamentally sound and we will bring pressure. We will bring pressure.”

— Will Asomugha be allowed to shadow the opponent’s top receiver? “That depends on the opponent,” Marshall said.

— Marshall on Al Davis: “I know he knows defense. The great thing is he is like me. He’s long in the tooth and he’s old school. It’s line up, there’s your guy, cover him. And there goes the ball, you go out there and tackle him. There’s the blocker, you knock his butt off and go to the ball. . . . keep it simple and play hard. And he’s very smart. He knows his football, believe me.”

— What about all the man-to-man pressure the Raiders play?

“I’ll tell you what, in my 30 years and 12 or 13 years of being a coordinator, I don’t think I’ve been blessed with a team that has the corners that can run like these men can do,” Marshall said. “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had. They are good, talented group.”

— Running back Michael Bush on the three-way competition between himself, Justin Fargas and Darren McFadden:

“We all know that we want that No. 1 spot. Basically it’s a way for us pushing each other on the field . . . sometimes, we bring it on the field as far as joking around and having fun . . . but it’s still a competition and I think that’s what makes us better.”

Bush even supported Fargas’ grandiose vision of three 1,000 yard backs.

“With the fullbacks that we have, we’re going to rock things with Lorenzo (Neal) and Big O (Oren O’Neal). He’s back to being 100 percent, as you see. He’s dropping his pads and being that hammer tha the was in 2007 . . . the zone scheme is made to have at least two 1,000-yard backs. It’s possible.”

Tight end Brandon Myers, a sixth-round pick out of Iowa, was selected in the sixth round of the draft becasue of his blocking skill skill and the potential to free Zach Miller in the passing game. He’s also begun to show up as a receiver.

“We knew we were getting something as a blocker, both as a run blocker and a pass protector,” Cable said. “The route stuff has been a bonus.”

Additional practice notes as relayed by Steve Corkran:

— Shane Lechler launched a punt that carried _ get this _ 108 yards. The ball traveled 75 yards in the air and sailed over Justin Miller’s head before it started bouncing. Miller, primarily a kickoff return specialist, looked as if he would be OK with never returning another punt in his life.

— Nick Miller, a darkhorse candidate as an undrafted free agent, worked on both punt returns and kickoff returns.

— Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey fought off an illegal bump and made a catch on a crossing route that was flagged by officials at practice as a defensive foul.

— Wide receiver Jonathan Holland made a diving catch in front of Stanford Routt and added a 50-yard over-the-shoulder grab from Bruc eGradkowski over Justin Miller. Holland also drove Darrick Brown 10 yards back with a downfield block.

— Defensive end Trevor Scott was handled by Mario Henderson again, but broke through on one occasion for a sack, getting past Henderson and tight end Darryl Strong.

— Quarterback JaMarcus Russell continued to make some decisions that seemed questionable, but occasionally made them profitable, at one point threading a pass to Louis Murphy into the teeth of double coverage.

— Twitter reports by Morrison and running back Darren McFadden hinted at a “tackle-the-ground” practice, but were largely exaggerated.

— Two days after being crushed by Bush on a blocking drill, linebacker Ricky Brown returned the favor by breaking through in a team session around Mario Henderson and stopping bush in his tracks with a chest-high blow at the line of scrimmage.

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  • Norco Bob

    I think Im being very optimistic with my 8-8 prediction,…you are the neg-head.

  • priesttj

    afraid of what? Bob what is it with you man?? just let it go. If and when I want to call I’ll call.

    I don’t even know who Pat Conner is, who’s Pat Conner??

  • jerryelisabeth

    Thought this was interesting from PFT:

    Herm Edwards is high on the Raiders
    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 7, 2009 4:57 PM ET
    Mr. Florio and I are getting ready to break out some power rankings that we’ll count down on the site as we near Week One.

    One team we essentially agreed on was the Raiders. And let’s just say Herm Edwards is more optimistic about them than both of us.

    Speaking on ESPN’s Mike and Mike Friday, Edwards held a Raiders helmet aloft and said the following.

    “The Nation is back! . . . I think the Chiefs will play well too, but these guys, they are back! The Nation’s back! 8-8!” (Honest Edwards quotes should include lots of exclamation points.)

    Herm probably wasn’t that popular with the Chiefs fanbase before, and this won’t help.

    Edwards was asked to defend his prediction on NFL Live and his argument wasn’t so outlandish: A manageable schedule, strong finish to last year, and a good running game. There is certainly room for a surprise team to emerge between the Chiefs, Broncos, and Raiders in the AFC West.

    Matt Millen, who was also on the show with Edwards, said the Raiders would go “at least” 8-8 – if Jamarcus Russell steps up. (Big if.)

    Alright, there is quite an opportunity for a snide remark or four right about here. But I’ll let you guys make them.

  • Nnamdi21

    HOF game this week end.

    Excited!

  • Kush

    8-8 is quite doable. Especially in a division as weak as the AFC West. Not to mention, no Deangelo Hall getting torched every week, no Rob Ryan, and no Kwame Harris.

    That’s good for three additional wins right there alone.

  • priesttj

    The grass roots movement is on!! the word is out. By mid-season everyone will know that this team has a monster at QB and an arsenal at his disposal. By years end no one will look forward to facing this team. The speed on offense and the talent on defense. Not to mention maybe the best special teams in the league.

    We’ve been kicked and now we’re going to do some kicking of our own.

  • priesttj

    Kush, I think finally we have what it takes to go out with a degree of confidence that we can do some damage.

    If we can stay healthy we will win, I can just feel it.

  • priesttj

    Nnamdi21, did you read what Marshall said about the secondary. And that’s why Mr Davis has always said you can never have enough DB’s. He gets laughed at for it. But it’s true. They allow the front7 to attack with a lot of versatility and aggression.

  • All hail!

    The KING of the Blogs has spoken.

    Oh mighty and powerful ruler of blogdom: TheRealMaddenRaider, has spoken. Bow down, Bow down….

    jeez, man…. what a tool….

  • He Hate Me

    Just Win games Baby!!! If you will…

  • raidertbone

    Thought this was interesting from PFT:

    Herm Edwards is high on the Raiders
    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 7, 2009 4:57 PM ET
    Mr. Florio and I are getting ready to break out some power rankings that we’ll count down on the site as we near Week One.

    One team we essentially agreed on was the Raiders. And let’s just say Herm Edwards is more optimistic about them than both of us.

    Speaking on ESPN’s Mike and Mike Friday, Edwards held a Raiders helmet aloft and said the following.

    “The Nation is back! . . . I think the Chiefs will play well too, but these guys, they are back! The Nation’s back! 8-8!” (Honest Edwards quotes should include lots of exclamation points.)

    Herm probably wasn’t that popular with the Chiefs fanbase before, and this won’t help.

    Edwards was asked to defend his prediction on NFL Live and his argument wasn’t so outlandish: A manageable schedule, strong finish to last year, and a good running game. There is certainly room for a surprise team to emerge between the Chiefs, Broncos, and Raiders in the AFC West.

    Matt Millen, who was also on the show with Edwards, said the Raiders would go “at least” 8-8 – if Jamarcus Russell steps up. (Big if.)

    Alright, there is quite an opportunity for a snide remark or four right about here. But I’ll let you guys make them.
    _______________________________________________

    Oh my, what a BOLD PREDICTION from Mr. Miracle in the Meadowlands! Saying there is room for a surprise team to emerge from the division and then mentioning every other team except for the favorite? It’s what has brought him such coaching success in the past.

    And if Matt Millen is endorsing us right now, we should ALL worry!

  • raidertbone

    We just need to win our first three games, then battle like hell through the next three!

  • Mon 9/14 San Diego 10:15 pm – L
    Sun 9/20 at Kansas City 1:00 pm – W
    Sun 9/27 Denver 4:15 pm – W
    Sun 10/4 at Houston 1:00 pm – W
    Sun 10/11 at NY Giants 1:00 pm – L
    Sun 10/18 Philadelphia 4:05 pm – L
    Sun 10/25 NY Jets 4:05 pm – W
    Sun 11/1 at San Diego 4:05 pm – L
    bye
    Sun 11/15 Kansas City 4:05 pm – W
    Sun 11/22 Cincinnati 4:15 pm – W
    Thu 11/26 at Dallas 4:15 pm – L
    Sun 12/6 at Pittsburgh 1:00 pm – L
    Sun 12/13 Washington 4:05 pm – W
    Sun 12/20 at Denver 4:05 pm – W
    Sun 12/27 at Cleveland 1:00 pm – W
    Sun 1/3 Baltimore 4:15 pm – L

    This is an easy possibility. 9-7 Cinci, Cleveland, Washington, Houston, Jets should be 5 easy wins. That leaves getting 3 or 4 games from KC and Denver.

  • On the beach in Cancun

    Kush…55:

    Good points, especially Rob “I’m a fat slob with long hair and my prevent defense prevents us from winning in the 4th quarter” Ryan.

  • On the beach in Cancun

    Well, it looks like all you dudes checked it in for the nite, so I’ll vamoose out of here myself. Good nite and power to the Oakland Raiders.

  • Terrapin

    Maybe too much is being made of DHBs struggles early in camp vs Murphy’s ascendancy. I’m confident Murphy is good, but Murphy has been practicing since OTAs. DHB was injured the whole time so we should expect him to be behind. And when he came back rusty (and behind) he was being ridiculed for it.

    Now he’s progressively getting better. Maybe too much was being made of it and still is.

  • jhill

    •I couldn’t help but notice that William Joseph was creating havoc when he was in. He plowed through the line to stop McFadden for a one-yard loss on one play and was getting a good push when the offense went back to pass. His best play was probably one in which he simply destroyed Marcus Johnson by bull-rushing him and knocking the lineman flat on his back.

    •No defensive lineman was as successful as defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti. Boschetti had two sacks by my count. On one of them, he was held by Erik Pears who got him to the ground before he could get to the quarterback. Immediately, Boschetti yelled at officials, “Pull that [stuff]! Pull that!” As the flag finally came out, he responded, “Whoo!” ‘Fired up’ might be an understatement for Boschetti tonight, but his play certainly showed it. Boschetti has been playing at the tackle and end positions during camp, but his best play has been at defensive tackle.

    ——————————————————-

    Yup! Looks like you guys might finally get your wish and see Sands cut.

  • Raider Headbutt

    For the most part the article was saying the offense hit the wall,

    Fargas-“You could see it. In the two-minute drill, we weren’t that sharp,” Fargas said. “The intensity kind of tapered off. The defense didn’t fall off, we didn’t respond to their intensity.”

    Hopefully that means the D was just on point, and we can expect something…anything out of them this year.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    priesttj Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
    Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east.

    But I saw on film that our technigue was not good and the discipline was a real issue.
    =======================================================
    I hope the horn you are planning on “tooting” is one of those small ones afixed to a childrens sized bicycle.

    Of course Rob Ryan was an issue. I never said he wasn’t. However, the man was “hand-picked” by Al Davis and aggressively defended by said man for 5 yrs. FIVE YRS! Al Davis has been evaluating coaches for decades…do you think he would not notice such huge holes in coaching philosophy? This is the same Al Davis that pulled Tom Cable, Sanjay Lal and DHB during practice to give them a talk.

    Yes, Marshall is an upgrade…but talent still is an issue. Who’s going to admit otherwise. Terdell Sands is on the watch list and we now wait to see if Boschetti or Joseph will emerge as a solid third option.

  • Hey BAG…a little late but here’s your answer.

    “BAG Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 7:54 am

    Bob M.

    I see your point, but “if” Ellis has the season that we all hope has won’t he want a new deal for big money as well?…”

    – Gerg Ellis signed a 3 year deal with 5 million guaranteed, he’ll be here if we want him for at least the next 2 seasons, I don’t think he’ll see that 3rd year.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    priesttj Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
    Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east.

    But I saw on film that our technigue was not good and the discipline was a real issue.
    =======================================================
    I have decided to be patient and watch Marshall, Board and Haluchak (spelling) and Cable work their plan. They deserve that opportunity.

    I also decided to withold my opinion on the draft and let the guys play. Leave the past where it was. However, you calling me out for my support of Raji/Brace or some MLB from USC east has forced me to renege on that promise.

    Unspoken thoughts based on immediate obseravations…
    1. The Raiders would have been better off drafting Raji at #7 over DHB. —
    Yes. DHB is a great kid and I am rooting for him BIGTIME….Especially in light of ESPN disrespecting because he’s a Raider…however, the guy is still a raw talent with unreliable hands. Louis Murphy is outperforming him. Chaz Schilens is growing into a long-term solution this team hasn’t seen in years. JLH is still solid. This is why I don’t believe much in drafting receivers early. Receivers emerge all over the draft.

    The defensive line is looking shaky by all observers. And the depth is looking like one of the top concerns going into the season. B.J Raji would have been a nice fill in on this D-Line. Sands is on the watch list, Joseph and Boschetti are big unknowns, Kelly is jumping off-sides and has no real competition. Warren seems to be filling in ok.

    I think the unspoken word is: “We should have drafted Raji at #7 and grabbed up Louis Murphy in the 2nd or 3rd round”

    Just sayin

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    priesttj Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
    Marshall is echoing everything I’ve been saying for 2 years, not to toot my own horn. But to explain why the coaches felt they didn’t need the players that SnB and others were touting. I wasn’t saying that these weren’t great players BJ Raji and Brace and the others like the MLB from USC east
    =======================================================
    Continued:

    2. The Raiders probably should have grabbed Jasper Brinkley or someone similiar over Slade Norris

    Yes — Clearly the Marshall and company are not satisfied with the MLB picture…or SLB for that matter. The Raiders are moving Brown in a spirited competition…brought in Franz Joseph for hopeful hitting power…went as far as to ask a tight end to switch to MLB. Interchanging Morrison for Brown on a daily basis.

    What does this say? They wanted meaningful competition at a position they feel needs better play. Why not draft Brinkly 4.5 40yd dash and have a real MLB compete with Morrison…and then push the loser to SLB?

    Slade Norris? This guy is here to possibly replace Sam Williams. Not to get a shot to start on day 1.

    The Raiders want physical play up the middle….Hard hitters.

    They got it when they drafted Mike Mitchell…they missed the boat by trying to go CHEAP at the MLB (Brinkley) and NT (Raji)…

    So we have to hope that Marshall, Board and Haluchuck get it right.

    Now, let’s get back to supporting the Raiders that are on the field!

  • Raiderrockstar? Oaklifer? Where you 2 @?

  • ???

  • 77th

  • 78th

  • Wait for it……………79th

  • SNB

    At least Marshall, Board and Haluchak have plenty of experience, they have succesfully tutored young players in the past.

    Ryan, Millard and Martindale had never held their respective positions in the NFL until we hired them.

    Perhaps guys like Kelly, Scott, Richardson, Gunheim, Morrison, Brown, Alston and Howard will benefit from their experience, some of them have been in the league for a few years now but they’ve known only 1 coach (Ryan) and it’s safe to say he didn’t get the most out of them, at least I’m hoping he didn’t…

  • Actually rob Ryan offered more than anyone could imagine, he developed Michael huff, made the best use of Deangelo hall, and nets not forget about Terdell sands.

  • # jhill Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am

    •I couldn’t help but notice that William Joseph was creating havoc when he was in. He plowed through the line to stop McFadden for a one-yard loss on one play and was getting a good push when the offense went back to pass. His best play was probably one in which he simply destroyed Marcus Johnson by bull-rushing him and knocking the lineman flat on his back.

    •No defensive lineman was as successful as defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti. Boschetti had two sacks by my count. On one of them, he was held by Erik Pears who got him to the ground before he could get to the quarterback. Immediately, Boschetti yelled at officials, “Pull that [stuff]! Pull that!” As the flag finally came out, he responded, “Whoo!” ‘Fired up’ might be an understatement for Boschetti tonight, but his play certainly showed it. Boschetti has been playing at the tackle and end positions during camp, but his best play has been at defensive tackle.

    ——————————————————-

    Yup! Looks like you guys might finally get your wish and see Sands cut.

    ———————-
    ———————-

    glad we kept Joseph around. thought he stood out with his quickness and good bodylean beating Gs and Cs in the limited times he was in there. he could be used as DE in run situations too with his athleticism imo. he has all the tools. a former 1st round talent, hes still young and maybe he is putting it all together finally

    Boschjetti, never saw him play a down but ill take anybody that gets the fundamental job of playing with good leverage done upfront and is able to make plays, even if its bouncing off the plays outside with a good push or by simply holding his ground. its not much that is expected from the DTs

    and as for Sands, i think he has at least a 4th round value around the league so maybe we can trade him too towards the end of the camps with probably more teams in need of a DT with starting experience. the camps just started and already the panthers, for instance, just lost their DT and could cough up a 3rd if nobody else steps up in their camp and they get deperate.

    Sandman was one of my favs on the team when he burst on the scene and had his moments in limited time before his moms passing, and he still has his moments, but he and especially he just gets toyed around by smaller players down there because of his bad technique AND his slooww first step. he makes a play and then looks like he doesnt belong on the very next. these indeed could be his last days as a Raider with all the guys doing it right. even Des Bryant had a play worth twittering/blogging so we might be forced to cut him

    but regardless, i just love the attention to detail that coach TC preaches since day one, to the entire team too with the dwindeling # of penalties and stupid mistakes towards the end of the year playing major roles in the last wins, cause as he stated the competition in that sense will take care of our woes putting the best 53 on the field come gameday. and we see that procedure go to work at the DT positions and elsewhere….TC was a blessing from the football gods for this team.

    thanks for the info Jhill…

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    It’s a great day to listen to MR’s bs! The guy actually thinks John Madden hates Al Davis!! Don’t believe me? Well, read this…and I rebutted it with those pesky things called facts and links…

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    >>How do you shytbags know that I don’t know Madden in person? >>
    You may have and he most likely laughed at what a moron you are.

    >>I’ll give you one hint
    right now: Madden never goes to Alameda.>>
    Ahhh, he was at Art Shell’s press conference moron. That was in Alameda.

    >>He’ll attend a Raider pre season game once in a blue moon.>>
    Isn’t he usually working?

    >>He apprciates Al giving him the job, and that’s about it.>>
    Then why did he say at Al’s HOF induction that Al was his best friend moron?

    >>Madden’s connection is with his former players.>>
    We already know that. Yet he chose Al to introduce him at his HOF induction. Care to explain that one?

    >>Al Davis is a necessary evil in the whole scheme of things because he gave Madden his job. >>
    And yet Madden constantly gushes about him in interviews, autobiographies, etc.

    >>Madden never visits Davis, they never hang out or talk, hardly ever.>>
    And yet they were both by Bill Walsh’s side when he passed away.

    >>Madden’s friends with more Niner guys than he is
    with Raider guys. >>
    Like who?

    >>Madden is a respectful, honorable guy who won’t bite the hand that
    feeds him, but you girls would be hurt if yo u knew what he really thought of Al Davis.
    Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do. >>
    LMAO!!! From Madden’s HOF speech….“This is a celebration. It has to be fun. To have Al Davis here is something special. I mean, if it weren’t for Al, I wouldn’t be here. He was a guy that gave me an opportunity. He was a guy that hired me 40 years ago, brought me into pro football. He was a guy that made me a head coach when I was 32 years old. I had two years of pro coaching experience.

    Who the heck names a guy 32 years old as a head coach? Al Davis did. But he not only named me head coach, he stood behind me and he helped me and he provided me with players, with great players. As he was saying, nine of the players are in the Hall of Fame. I mean, those are the types of players that he provided me with.

    He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”

    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.aspx?release_id=2178

    >>He thinks he’s a f’n fool who needs to retire. That’s why Madden wouldn’t come here to GM, despite Al begging him to.>>
    Is this all in your imaginary conversation with him?

  • He also gave fans hope and inspired us all, who here remembers when he cut his hair for charity? When Miami buffalo and san Diego were down who cheered up their fans by putting in a prevent defense? When you guys wanted blitzing, who practiced blitzing packages while in training camp? When terdell sands needed competition for his daily hot dog eating contest, who was there for him?

    ROB RYAN, thats who

    We love you rob
    –shout out to oaklifer–

  • We need all the linemen we can get on defense , we’ve been thin there for the past two years so I’d say Sands stays for now.

  • Defensive line
    re Greg Ellis
    t Tommy Kelly
    t Jamarcus Russell
    le Trevor Scott

  • Kush

    Madden Raider is suffering from Al-zheimers. He is clearly incapable of reading comprehension at this point or the ability to remember what he reads or posts mere seconds after he does so. Or he’s a flat out liar.

    He complains all day about everything the Raiders do and sides with douchebags like Ricochet who amazingly so, is more delusional than he is. Like I told him yesterday, he’s a disgrace to the namesake of John Madden.

  • What we need is Stuart schweigert. Now that guy made everyone around him better

  • Schweigert was also developed by rob ryan

  • IMO the greatest raider to ever put on a silver and black uniform would have to be Warren sapp

  • Oaklifer

  • Wow its saturday and no oaklifer.

  • To whom it may concern oaklifer and i have a “no need to state” pact to always mention eachother.

  • I think the raiders need to stop the run

  • If the raiders commit less penalties they should have a better shot at winning games

  • If the raiders convert on third down they will have a better shot of scoring more often

  • IMO if the raiders keep missing tackles it is more likely that the will lose than win

  • Raider Headbutt

    treyrockstarespn Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 9:17 am
    IMO the greatest raider to ever put on a silver and black uniform would have to be Warren sapp

    =========================

    Im assuming you mean that he is the best player to have worn the uniform? and not the best as a raider? meaning his play while a raider?

  • If the raiders continue to put 2nd string players as starters they will lose more games

  • Nope his best days were as a raider

  • He criticized al Davis!!!! And he is still alive after doing so!

  • Stuart Schweigert waisted his own talents all by himself bro. dude looked like he never did a freaking biceps curl in his life despite getting destroyed on sundays and was still promoting his cookouts with granmama’s live on the insternet, with his specialty being shoelace-spaghettis. WTF? what an imposter that guy was. and i think we only got him because he broke Rod Woodsons int record at purdue while Rod was on the team too and desrved to go out on a 0-16 note. or is he still in the league? i would be shocked if that guy is still around.