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The wall arrives

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News and notes from Friday afternoon’s practice as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran and writers who contributed to transcribing group interviews:

– After a penalty-filled session Thursday night and a single session that didn’t meet up with the expectations of coach Tom Cable Friday, he conceded for the first time his team wasn’t up to par.

“Not really sharp today, you can tell we’re hitting that camp wall if you will and we have to kind of push through that,” Cable said. “How you regroup kind of answers how you are doing, how you are developing as a football team.”

– Justin Fargas agreed with Cable’s “wall” assessment.

“You could see it. In the two-minute drill, we weren’t that sharp,” Fargas said. “The intensity kind of tapered off. The defense didn’t fall off, we didn’t respond to their intensity.”

– No changes in terms of injuries. Those who did not practice included wide receiver Javon Walker, tackle Khalif Barnes, guard Robert Gallery, lineman Mark Wilson and cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson.

– There was one live session with, as Kirk Morrison hinted, “tackling to the ground,” but Cable wasn’t willing to divulge how often that would occur through the remainder of camp.

– Defensive coordinator John Marshall was made available to the media for the first time, said he watched every game over the last two years “three or four times” and stressed fundamentals.

“I think, obviously, you gentlemen and ladies know, that we need to improve the run (defense),” Marshall said. “That has everything to do with technique, and it has a whole ot to do with attitude and tackling. Those are areas, disengating blockers, fundamentals . . . better fundamentals.”

– Marshall on the hallmarks of one of his defenses: “I’d have to say that being detailed, doing the small things, fundamentally sound and we will bring pressure. We will bring pressure.”

– Will Asomugha be allowed to shadow the opponent’s top receiver? “That depends on the opponent,” Marshall said.

– Marshall on Al Davis: “I know he knows defense. The great thing is he is like me. He’s long in the tooth and he’s old school. It’s line up, there’s your guy, cover him. And there goes the ball, you go out there and tackle him. There’s the blocker, you knock his butt off and go to the ball. . . . keep it simple and play hard. And he’s very smart. He knows his football, believe me.”

– What about all the man-to-man pressure the Raiders play?

“I’ll tell you what, in my 30 years and 12 or 13 years of being a coordinator, I don’t think I’ve been blessed with a team that has the corners that can run like these men can do,” Marshall said. “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had. They are good, talented group.”

– Running back Michael Bush on the three-way competition between himself, Justin Fargas and Darren McFadden:

“We all know that we want that No. 1 spot. Basically it’s a way for us pushing each other on the field . . . sometimes, we bring it on the field as far as joking around and having fun . . . but it’s still a competition and I think that’s what makes us better.”

Bush even supported Fargas’ grandiose vision of three 1,000 yard backs.

“With the fullbacks that we have, we’re going to rock things with Lorenzo (Neal) and Big O (Oren O’Neal). He’s back to being 100 percent, as you see. He’s dropping his pads and being that hammer tha the was in 2007 . . . the zone scheme is made to have at least two 1,000-yard backs. It’s possible.”

Tight end Brandon Myers, a sixth-round pick out of Iowa, was selected in the sixth round of the draft becasue of his blocking skill skill and the potential to free Zach Miller in the passing game. He’s also begun to show up as a receiver.

“We knew we were getting something as a blocker, both as a run blocker and a pass protector,” Cable said. “The route stuff has been a bonus.”

Additional practice notes as relayed by Steve Corkran:

– Shane Lechler launched a punt that carried _ get this _ 108 yards. The ball traveled 75 yards in the air and sailed over Justin Miller’s head before it started bouncing. Miller, primarily a kickoff return specialist, looked as if he would be OK with never returning another punt in his life.

– Nick Miller, a darkhorse candidate as an undrafted free agent, worked on both punt returns and kickoff returns.

– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey fought off an illegal bump and made a catch on a crossing route that was flagged by officials at practice as a defensive foul.

– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland made a diving catch in front of Stanford Routt and added a 50-yard over-the-shoulder grab from Bruc eGradkowski over Justin Miller. Holland also drove Darrick Brown 10 yards back with a downfield block.

– Defensive end Trevor Scott was handled by Mario Henderson again, but broke through on one occasion for a sack, getting past Henderson and tight end Darryl Strong.

– Quarterback JaMarcus Russell continued to make some decisions that seemed questionable, but occasionally made them profitable, at one point threading a pass to Louis Murphy into the teeth of double coverage.

– Twitter reports by Morrison and running back Darren McFadden hinted at a “tackle-the-ground” practice, but were largely exaggerated.

– Two days after being crushed by Bush on a blocking drill, linebacker Ricky Brown returned the favor by breaking through in a team session around Mario Henderson and stopping bush in his tracks with a chest-high blow at the line of scrimmage.

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  • http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1320 CantstandtheHaters

    Stuart Schweigert waisted his own talents all by himself bro. dude looked like he never did a freaking biceps curl in his life despite getting destroyed on sundays and was still promoting his cookouts with granmama’s live on the insternet, with his specialty being shoelace-spaghettis. WTF? what an imposter that guy was. and i think we only got him because he broke Rod Woodsons int record at purdue while Rod was on the team too and desrved to go out on a 0-16 note. or is he still in the league? i would be shocked if that guy is still around.

  • Richochet

    On the beach in Cancun Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    Thec07…post #10 on previous.

    Good post and thanks for the add on Blecher Report on DHB.

    Good article and it supports our decision to go with him. Crabtree is too slow and that’s probably why he’s holding out. That, and because Crabtree is an idiot. He doesn’t seem to be playing with a full deck, either.

    I’m looking forward to the day that Chris Carter & Tom Jackson from ESPN have to eat their words for bad rapping the young kid when we drafted him. Carter couldn’t stop running his mouth. And, Jackson, couldn’t stop laughing.
    Two idiots acting as unprofessional as possible. I hate both of them now. Hate the Vikings because Carter played for them and hate the Broncos even more, since Jackson played for those idiots when Shanarat was their coach.
    ==========================
    In other words, they stated Bey was a foolish pick, and his play so far proves the pundits correct?
    Yeah, I know.
    Everyone knows.

    Isn’t your #7 pick supposed to be getting reports about making awesome catches? Outrunning the defense?
    Instead you’re desperately waiting for a report that says “HEY??? He caught a ball.”

    Crabtree is slow? lol.
    Then he must be the best of all time in doing what he has to in order to get open, considering he pretty much won almost every award out there.
    You saw the list..you need it again?

    BTW..considering how “fast” Bey is..care to explain why he sucked in college?
    Save the “different scheme”. Had he been a threat, he would have been utilized.

    Let me help.
    “Bey is fast. Can’t catch the ball, but boy, he’s fast.”

    that help?

  • Richochet

    KoolKell Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
    Russell is relying on his arm to squeeze the ball into tight spaces.
    He knows he can get away with it.

    He only threw 8 ints last year.
    ===================
    Oh yeah, he rocks.

    Worst starting qb IN THE NFL LAST YEAR.

    Worst at 3rd down conversion.

    Worst at receiving yards.

    Oh yeah, he’s the bomb. *thumbs up*

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Oaklifer we need your opinion

  • Raider Headbutt

    treyrockstarespn Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 9:33 am
    He criticized al Davis!!!! And he is still alive after doing so!

    =========================

    lol This is true. I don’t know about his best days, but I guess he did his part for a time.

  • Kirk

    The fact that Michael Bush is not our starting running back is a testament to the stupidity of Al Davis and Tom Cable.

  • Richochet

    Anyhow, Kush, I think, whoever you are: I criticize Al Davis, and anything that he dictates. Don’t act like I’m not a fan. I was probably a fan before you were born. I go back to the ’70s, playa patna. Don’t bring my Raider patriotism into question.
    ====================
    Kush is a flea who got slammed non-stop on MVN.com.
    Of course, that board is about as busy as a bald guys comb.
    Kush is one of those “fans” who so desperately wants everyone to drink the kool ade with him, never questioning anything.
    This fool actually went on record stating Kwame Harris was an awesome pickup, and that he was going to the ProBowl..and GUARANTEED IT.

    That help explain how slow Kush is?

  • Raider Headbutt

    To be honest im not sold on DHB yet, but im gonna wait till I see production. If he does well it worked, if he doesnt then he is a bust.

    However drafting based on speed alone is stupid, I can run under 4.5 can I get a shot? lol

  • Richochet

    Kush Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
    Ricochet you’re next on my hit list. I’m tired of reading your sorry, pathetic, nonsensical posts too.
    =====================
    You fool..You’ll be reduced, AGAIN, to waiting for help, hoping someone helps you up.

    And then, after you get royally shot down, you’ll run your patented ‘Ok, I’m busy now.”

    I’ll say it again, shut up before you hurt yourself.
    I would add “shut up before you embarrass yourself” but we’re beyond that.

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Ever see the hit on Tony gonzales by Stuart?

  • Richochet

    I’ll be back later, ladies.

    Now, as your assignment..tell me again why Bey was a good #7 pick?

    LMAO..I know..made you laugh as well, didn’t it?

  • SaintKaufman

    Ryan had been one of the few constants on the team during his five years as defensive coordinator. The team went through four head coaches, four offensive coordinators and six offensive play-callers in that span, posting a 20-60 record.
    In his five years, the Raiders allowed an NFL-worst 101 rushing touchdowns and the second-most yards per game at 138.7. Oakland’s 154 sacks in that span were the seventh fewest in the league.

    Biggest offseason move…..FINALLY dumping Ryan!!!

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    I feel embarrased for kush, what a loser

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Heyward bey was picked at #7 because he ran a 4.23 speed at Maryland and al thought he could sell out the remaining two games of the season by drafting him cause it reminds people of California locations heyward = Hayward and bey = the bay

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Saintkaufman if rob were here right now he would make you eat your words.. Than he would eat you after he fills you up with that bull

  • http://0 Bob Marley

    Sign DL Shaun Smith (6’2 325), he’s the kind of wide body we could use in the middle, he was originally a DT with Cincy, signed a good deal as a RFA with Cleveeland where played NT and DE, but here he could probably earn a role in the DT rotation and provide some much needed depth.

    He’s reportedly a big talker and kind of an a-hole, his days as a Brown were numbered since he punched Brady Quinn late last year, bring him in to compete with Sands, Boscheti and Joseph, cut him if he sucks, no big deal.

  • Raider Headbutt

    He may be a big body, but rarely got a chance to play based on talent I would imagin, plus the bad attitude as you mentiond, is it really worth it to bring in a person that skill sets are pretty much the same and prob a little worse? I mean competition is good I guess but whats the point?

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Warren sapp said rob Ryan didn’t have control of the defense al did.
    With that in mind, when al was hurt the last couple of weeks in the hospital isn’t it a strange coincidence that the raiders started to play better? The doctors probably took away his phone privleges cause they thought he was crazy, believin it’s the late 70s still, so he couldn’t call the shots on gameday. The offensive and defensive coaches finally got to call their own plays as a result, they played better.

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Bring him in so he and sands can punch lechler together, they will develop chemistry and be the next Kevin & pat Williams

  • http://Penisland.com treyrockstarespn

    Oaklifer

  • http://0 Bob Marley

    Headbutt

    Smith actually played a lot, started 20 game the last couple of years, I don’t know if that’s good or bad since the Browns Defense wasn’t much better than ours, but he may be better suited to play DT as a rotational guy.

    All I’m saying is take a look at him, one thing I’ve heard about the guy is that he’s hard to move, which is more than we can say about Sands.

  • Raider Headbutt

    Ya, the last 5 games he started for the browns seemed like OK games, 4, 5 , 6 tackles. Like you said, mayb a guy you sit in the hole and hope RB’s collide with I guess.

  • jhill

    LOL,

    Welcome back SnB !!!!!

    Nice try, but Louis Murphy in rd 2 does not give us what DHB does. The deep speed to draw the defense over the top and open up the underneath stuff. If anything, he is in competition with Chaz and Walker for snaps.

    And Raji hasn’t even shown up for camp but we should have taken him to be our #3 DT?

    Welcome back man!

  • jhill

    If we are not playing the 3-4, then we don’t really need some 320lb wide body.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    players go nuts
    14 minutes ago from mobile web

    McFadden just flattened Ryan Bosseccetti
    14 minutes ago from mobile web

    From RaiderBeat on Twitter

    http://twitter.com/raiderbeat

  • kvnbntly

    bey has been catching, evidently since we haven’t been reading five articles a day about drops, probably just needs to get the ball put away before making a move be my guess.
    even better he has been he has been opening up the middle and drawing penalties just what he was hired to do.
    ohh i forgot to mention he’s really fast and pretty big too.
    line depth on both sides seems to be lacking, we now have 2 mill from the burgess trade freed up any one know how much cap space was avialable before that
    sick of reading the craptree dhb stuff.
    as for “the wall” its a track term mainly for 400-800 meter guys its when lactic acid build up in the muscles and it takes every bit of effort to keep going, one good thing about hitting the wall is the next time it takes longer to hit it

  • 24

    Shaun Smith

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5451

    Its already been mentioned but heres his stats. We need all the help we can get.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    jhill Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 10:32 am
    LOL,

    Welcome back SnB !!!!!

    Nice try, but Louis Murphy in rd 2 does not give us what DHB does. The deep speed to draw the defense over the top and open up the underneath stuff. If anything, he is in competition with Chaz and Walker for snaps.

    And Raji hasn’t even shown up for camp but we should have taken him to be our #3 DT?
    =======================================================
    Louis Murhpy has the speed, route running and hands to spread out a defense. A 7th overall pick is also supposed to be a complete receiver. Not just a deep threat that takes a safety with him down field. DHB has to be the guy capable of snagging 70 to 80 catches a game. He can get there. But it won’t come quickly.

    As for Raji as our #3 DT. Why not? DHB is our #3 to #4 wide receiver. Plus, Gerard Warren is in his 9th season, Sands/Kelly/Boschetti/Joseph their 7th yrs. Plus Warren and Sands are nearing the end of their contracts. Raji could have brought some youth and competition to this group.

  • 24

    Shaun Smith
    2009 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
    Grade: 67 | Key
    Alert: None

    Comment: Smith flashes ability, but consistency remains a problem. He does have value, though, and can be effective in a rotation at both defensive end and nose tackle in Cleveland’s 3-4 scheme. But, he lacks the long athletic build to keep blockers off his body at end and isn’t quite stout enough to excel on the nose when asked to play a high amount of snaps.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    All,

    Don’t read my above comments as “hating” on the Raiders or the draft. I am just stating my opinion as a person on the outside without access to film, coaches and all that.

    I really do hope for DHB and company to stick it to the league.

    I also am very optimistic about the offense going into 2009.

    Defense, not quite as optimistic, but hopeful

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    24,

    I would only bring in a new DT if the coaches did not believe in the guys on the roster now.

    Picking up another teams refuse at this point is probably not going to be a meaningful upgrade to this point.

    Better to stick with the guys now and coach’em up as they say

  • jhill

    Ok SnB …

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    jhill Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 11:03 am
    Ok SnB …
    =======================================================
    Excerpt from tfdssports.com http://tfdssports.com/2009/08/07/training-camp—day-10-quick-thoughts.html

    •In those coverage drills, Justin Miller was victimized by Louis Murphy. Murphy beat him so badly the first time that Miller was nearly five yards behind him when Frye connected for the long pass. The second time, Miller looked better, but not better than Murphy as the rookie schooled the veteran again for a 10-yard gain. Miller shouldn’t feel too badly, because Murphy is giving other defensive backs headaches as well. Murphy got open on 7-on-7 drills against Stanford Routt and Mike Mitchell, for witch Mitchell was counseled again. Later, he caught a 40-yard pass from Frye and was so wide open that I couldn’t tell who was supposed to be covering him. It’s rare that a rookie wide receiver looks like a starter, but Murphy doesn’t play like a rookie.

    •Speaking of rookie receivers, Darrius Heyward-Bey continues to get himself open when being guarded by a defender. The only problem is that he also continues to have problems catching the ball. In the few opportunities that he had tonight, I credited him with two and a half drops

  • jhill

    LOL at where you cut off the article …

    In the few opportunities that he had tonight, I credited him with two and a half drops. The half drop came when he was a little overthrown and he got a hand on the ball. Taking that away, he had two bad drops–one coming as he was wide open with four defenders in the area. The other drop was a lot harder to catch as it sailed through the hands of Thomas Howard before also sailing through his. Even with his inconsistent hands, I like his progress. After practice, he and Nick Miller were taking rep’s. on the juggs machine.

  • jhill

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Murphy, but Miller and Mitchell????

    DHB is doing his damage against the first team defense.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    “It’s rare that a rookie wide receiver looks like a starter, but Murphy doesn’t play like a rookie”

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    jhill Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 11:16 am
    Don’t get me wrong, I like Murphy, but Miller and Mitchell????

    DHB is doing his damage against the first team defense.
    =======================================================
    I like DHB too. But he’s been dropping more balls than I care to hear about. Its early and all that and i get it.

    DHB is going against the 1st team because he was the #7 overall pick. Murphy is going against the 2nd team because he was #100 something.

    My guess is that Murphy and DHB will be close when it comes to a final grade coming into the season. And whatever gap exists…won’t be reflected in the draft status.

  • Kush

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Kush is one of those “fans” who so desperately wants everyone to drink the kool ade with him, never questioning anything.
    This fool actually went on record stating Kwame Harris was an awesome pickup, and that he was going to the ProBowl..and GUARANTEED IT.

    That help explain how slow Kush is?
    _____________________________________________________
    Rotflmfao. Ricochet you ara a lying piece fecal matter. Now I know that you are a delusional fool. That’s why your posts make no sense. You have the iq of a banana slug, and that’s actually an insult to the banana slug.

    I have NEVER said anything remotely close to praise of ANY KIND for Kwame Harris. Your presence here on this blog is no longer needed.

    May a virus corrupt your hard drive and render your computer inoperable. Never post here again please. Thank you.

  • DKnight007

    # priesttj Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Everyone has attacked Ryan’s schemes calling them basic and vanilla. Saying he doesn’t blitz and didn’t know how to attack offenses. Which is all crap. we played every type of defense yu want to see. It wasn’t scheme or the lack of 3/4 or cover2. That stuff is stupid. It was bad fundamentals and technigue and a serious lack of sound tackling………..period

    ^^^^^^^

    No….Ryan never blitzed when he should have and never ran any type of zone blitzing schemes. It was terrible to watch….he relied on the front four when it was clear they couldn’t get to the QB consistently. We have fast LB’s like Howard who would probably excel at blitzing….Marshall better realize and utlize the LB’s and the fast DB’s to get to the QB when needed. the defensive schemes need to mixed up and not be predictable week in and week out like how it was under Rob the Slob Ryan.

  • Richochet

    MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am
    It’s a great day to listen to MR’s bs! The guy actually thinks John Madden hates Al Davis!! Don’t believe me? Well, read this…and I rebutted it with those pesky things called facts and links…

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    >>How do you shytbags know that I don’t know Madden in person? >>
    You may have and he most likely laughed at what a moron you are.

    >>I’ll give you one hint
    right now: Madden never goes to Alameda.>>
    Ahhh, he was at Art Shell’s press conference moron. That was in Alameda.

    >>He’ll attend a Raider pre season game once in a blue moon.>>
    Isn’t he usually working?

    >>He apprciates Al giving him the job, and that’s about it.>>
    Then why did he say at Al’s HOF induction that Al was his best friend moron?

    >>Madden’s connection is with his former players.>>
    We already know that. Yet he chose Al to introduce him at his HOF induction. Care to explain that one?

    >>Al Davis is a necessary evil in the whole scheme of things because he gave Madden his job. >>
    And yet Madden constantly gushes about him in interviews, autobiographies, etc.

    >>Madden never visits Davis, they never hang out or talk, hardly ever.>>
    And yet they were both by Bill Walsh’s side when he passed away.

    >>Madden’s friends with more Niner guys than he is
    with Raider guys. >>
    Like who?

    >>Madden is a respectful, honorable guy who won’t bite the hand that
    feeds him, but you girls would be hurt if yo u knew what he really thought of Al Davis.
    Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do. >>
    LMAO!!! From Madden’s HOF speech….“This is a celebration. It has to be fun. To have Al Davis here is something special. I mean, if it weren’t for Al, I wouldn’t be here. He was a guy that gave me an opportunity. He was a guy that hired me 40 years ago, brought me into pro football. He was a guy that made me a head coach when I was 32 years old. I had two years of pro coaching experience.

    Who the heck names a guy 32 years old as a head coach? Al Davis did. But he not only named me head coach, he stood behind me and he helped me and he provided me with players, with great players. As he was saying, nine of the players are in the Hall of Fame. I mean, those are the types of players that he provided me with.

    He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”

    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.aspx?release_id=2178

    >>He thinks he’s a f’n fool who needs to retire. That’s why Madden wouldn’t come here to GM, despite Al begging him to.>>
    Is this all in your imaginary conversation with him?
    ================================================
    MaddenRaider was dead on.

    You guys confuse business with personal.
    Davis gave Madden the position. Davis was also the biggest a-hole ever while Madden was in the position.
    Is there a SINGLE FORMER HEAD COACH of the Raiders that speaks glowingly of Al as an owner? No, none, zero, for a reason.
    First HC, John Rauch, QUIT because Al wouldn’t stop butting in.
    Madden had a period that, during the season, refused to talk to Davis for A FULL THREE MONTHS because Al P.O.ed him so much.

    Go read up on what players like Phil Villipiano said about how Al screwed over Madden.
    And, of course Al did the same with Flores, then Shell, then Shanahan, on and on and on…

    Madden knows the politically correct thing to say, and toes that line.
    But don’t confuse business with pleasure.
    Business side says “Al gave me my opportunity. Al’s a friend. If I ever need anything I’ll call Al.”
    Personal side says Madden has never called Al, has nothing to do with Al, and like every other former HC of the Raiders, is jazzed he’s done with Al.

    Some of you should refrain from commenting on things you know little about…guys like Maddendouche, Kush, few others. Stick to copying headline reports, stick to stating what the team TELLS YOU to state.
    The world needs puppets, and you’re a shoe in.

  • Kush

    Ricochet posts=Diarrhea of the mouth. Completely worthless and hazardous to your health.

  • Kush

    Ricochet is a lying coward. You have yet to answer the question I asked you yesterday…

    What is your favorite football team Ricochet?

  • Richochet

    Kush Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Kush is one of those “fans” who so desperately wants everyone to drink the kool ade with him, never questioning anything.
    This fool actually went on record stating Kwame Harris was an awesome pickup, and that he was going to the ProBowl..and GUARANTEED IT.

    That help explain how slow Kush is?
    _____________________________________________________
    Rotflmfao. Ricochet you ara a lying piece fecal matter. Now I know that you are a delusional fool. That’s why your posts make no sense. You have the iq of a banana slug, and that’s actually an insult to the banana slug.

    I have NEVER said anything remotely close to praise of ANY KIND for Kwame Harris. Your presence here on this blog is no longer needed.

    May a virus corrupt your hard drive and render your computer inoperable. Never post here again please. Thank you.
    ============
    First off, you’re full of crap. You’re saying you’re NOT Kush from mvn? You lying fool..you admitted THERE that you came over here.
    And it’s well documented on how you were on Kwame’s sac, stating how all he needed was a good coach, like Cable, to turn him “into a stud”.
    What? You need links?

    BTW..you’re true to form.

    You state above that “now Richochet is on my list”, that you were going to put me in my place, and now?
    You’re begging me to leave?

    See my comment ABOVE PREDICTING YOU BEGGING OFF, STATING YOU’RE DONE. Only you would be slow enough to prove me right, almost immediately.

    Now, back to the shadows for you, foolish wimp.

  • kvnbntly

    in defense of 24 this guy might be worth checking out seven more tackles in five fewer games than sands/ and cleveland had eight dt on thier roster more of a roster space move on thier part instead of performance related
    jaust sayin

  • Kush

    Ricochet…

    For the third time, who is your favorite football team?

  • Terrapin

    Like I said before. Before this camp/preseason is over DHB will likely be on par if not better than Murph. Murph just had so much more time to get up to NFL speed.

  • Richochet

    Kush Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
    Ricochet is a lying coward. You have yet to answer the question I asked you yesterday…

    What is your favorite football team Ricochet?
    =====================================
    Comment above is about the Raiders.
    From you? Nothing.
    Comment is about Madden/Davis butting heads.
    From you? NOTHING.
    Comments are about Bey approaching crash and burn.
    From Kush? NOTHING..all you’re good for is stating “I BELIEVE EVERYTHING AL DOES IS GREAT. EVERYTHING THE RAIDERS DO SHOULD NEVER BE QUESTIONED. I AM A LEMMING.”

    Instead of discussing the Raiders, you want to instead ignore the Raider comments, so you can make comments about another team?

    There’s a reason for that.

    Because you know squat about the Raiders.
    You know better than to challenge me regarding the Raiders.
    Now, quick, beg me to leave, stating how “he’s not worth it”, realizing you shouldn’t have challenged me in the first place.
    HEY??? I know..maybe someone will comment to me, and you can say “What he said”?

    Why change now, little man?

  • Kush

    Ricochet…Who’s your favorite football team?

  • Richochet

    Kush Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    Ricochet…

    For the third time, who is your favorite football team?

    ===================
    I just torched your view regarding Madden, up on post 140.

    and from you? Nothing.

    Borrow someone’s huevos, and actually take a stand.

    Don’t wimp out. Don’t make excuses. You’re being called out for being a fakeass Raider fan who couldn’t discuss the team if your life depended on it.

    Hell, I guarantee it. :)

    Prove me wrong, little boy.
    (Guarantee you won’t do that either :)

    Kids play smacking you down, KushPuss.

  • Kush

    You are the only spineless little puss I see here. You can’t even publicly state who your favorite football team is. You obviously are not a Raider fan.

    You refuse to state your favorite team, because you probably don’t own a television and so the only games you have actually ever watched are your kids Pop Warner League games.

    You are an incoherent piece of toilet stool who’s only purpose here is to spread lies and disarray.

    And for the record, I have never posted on MVN and I have never stated that Kwame Harris was going to the Pro Bowl. Show me the so-called links that you have to prove it. You can’t because THEY DON’T EXIST.

    Like I said the more you talk, the more insane you prove yourself to be. Your posts are incoherent and make no sense.

    Who writes your posts for you, Sarah Palin??