Fifty Raiders for fifty years
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, August 9th, 2009 at 9:38 am in Oakland Raiders.
Check out Monte Poole’s assessment of the top 50 Raiders of all time at the following links:
And no, Al Davis isn’t on it because it’s a player’s only list.
A few first impressions:
– Offensive linemen rank 1-2-3 (Jim Otto, Art Shell and Gene Upshaw) and that sounds about right, because great Raiders teams were all about the offensive line. All were Hall of Famers, and although Otto may not have been as accomplished as Shell or Upshaw, he represents Raiders toughness.
– Jim Plunkett is No. 5, Ken Stabler No. 9. Plunkett was a great story and a great leader, but I’m a Stabler man from way back. Built-in bias from seeing so many of his games as a teenager.
– Cliff Branch No. 10, Tim Brown No. 25. Absolutely right. Branch, as Monte notes, somehow got underrated nationally. The classic Raider deep threat was easily the equal or superior of John Stallworth and Lynn Swann.
– Marcus Allen at No. 17? Hardly seems possible, but look at the list, factor in the fact that his Hall of Fame credentials weren’t cemented until he finished up at Kansas City, and maybe it’s about right.
– George Atkinson was a smallish strong safety who backed down to no one and delivered more than he took (ask Russ Francis), but No. 22 seems high.
– Chester McGlockton at No. 49. Realize there were some good L.A. years before he got to Oakland and went in the tank over his contract, but my sentimental pick to squeeze in at the end of the list is Tyrone Wheatley, whose unforgettable touchdown in Kansas City to close out the 1999 season served as a springboard to three division titles.
Any problems, Monte anxiously awaits your e-mails at mpoole@bayareanewsgroup.com
– Players had last night off and had their annual dinner with their respective position group coach. Single practice at 3:30 p.m. I’ll post Twitter updates and a post following practice.
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August 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Raider Nation!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Excellent list. Otto is the greatest of them all!! Would have liked to see Wheatley on there also. Silver and Black for Life!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Suprised Timmy was at #25. Statistically he was among the best at his position for the longest amount of time as any Raider ever.
August 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am
– Offensive linemen rank 1-2-3 (Jim Otto, Art Shell and Gene Upshaw) and that sounds about right, because great Raiders teams were all about the offensive line. All were Hall of Famers, and although Otto may not have been as accomplished as Shell or Upshaw, he represents everything about what Raider toughness is to this day.
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Sometimes I wish Davis was as passionate about finding the next (Otto, Shell, Upshaw) as he is about finding the next Willie Brown, Jack Tatum and Cliff Branch
August 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
No. 34: Steve Wisniewski (1989-01). Eight-time Pro Bowl G deserved better teams.
come on man… Wiz belongs in the top 20 IMHO….
Sup Vegas?
August 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am
http://www.mmashare.com/anderson-silva-vs-forrest-griffin—fight-video-ufc-101-t8743.html
August 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Gannon is way to high.no way he is ahead of Nnamdi,Conners,Wiz,Big Ben,Keating,Banazack,and most of the others below him.
August 9th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Forget Chet, he needs to go.
Matuzak needs to be included.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 1:43 am
The Raiders will continue to suck as long as Al is running the team, and Oakglenn and his troll aliases will not change that. Let me know when the team wins 6 games in a season, Oakglenn. You know you’re not going to see that day again.
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No one cares what you think. Even your anti Al tirades just border on the pyschotic anymore. Ask Kookie.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am
lefty12 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Gannon is way to high.no way he is ahead of Nnamdi,Conners,Wiz,Big Ben,Keating,Banazack,and most of the others below him.
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I watched every game Gannon played with the Raiders during that millenium run.
He deserves it.
He RAN that team and produced. They ‘re passing attack was their ground game.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am
3. Agreed. Under rated.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Stabler made magic. Thank gawd he had that line in front of him. Man, he had such a wind up and follow thru.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Love the whole Crabtree thing because of everyone who laughed at us draft day for not taking him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-crabtreerisks080809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
August 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Wow, it’s a great weekend to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
Every player/ranking on that list is arguable, but Poole did a pretty good job. (Gulp) He even put The Judge, the great Raider Lester Hayes, in just about the right place — surrounded by some pretty good company.
If more journalists — especially guys just like Monte Poole, who have been around awhile — would’ve recognized Cliff Branch more publicly all those years ago when Stallworth and Swann were being voted into the HOF…then maybe Cliff would’ve had a chance.
Same ol’ story…all-time NFL greats Lester Hayes and Cliff Branch have the numbers, and the gravitas to be Hall Of Famers. Down the line, the only way they ever will be is if they’re not forgotten now.
Good to see Todd Christensen getting props he deserves. Gannon’s in about the right spot, maybe even a little too low — he’s as responsible for the AFC runs as Gruden is. Wiz may be a little too low.
Chester McGlockton?? I won’t even put his name in the same paragraph as those other guys. 4x Pro Bowl, one winning season, and total lack of heart, discipline, and results when the team needed it most. Losing this guy gives you room for…
…Wheatley, if he’s the pick.
Nnamdi is the best in the NFL now…and if he can elevate his team, he’ll move right up any all-time Raiders list in a hurry.
We’d all love (well, most of us) to see Nnamdi move right up the all-time NFL greats list in a hurry…and that only happens if he does elevate his team enough to bring real results (read: wins).
RNC? Anybody notice how neither DHB nor Murph looked like rookies out there? Murphy has lots of quick energy, and DHB looks like he’s coiled and ready to strike at all times. Watkins looks pretty good! Frye might just take away Garcia’s job after all…Jeff’s “calf” better feel better soon!
The team is showing more spirit and comraderie than they have in years…IT’S ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL. Wow. When’s the last time we could say that?
August 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Gannon played well for the most part while he was here,but as an all time great Raider,he doesn’t compare to those i mentioned and others below him.i’m not saying he shouldn’t be on the list,just not that high.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I agree with Matuszak. If Chester McGlockton makes it, “The Tooz” should be in. “Don’t cruise with the Tooz or your gonna get bruised!”
August 9th, 2009 at 11:44 am
i don’t know about Rod Woodson being in there…
and i kinda miss my man Lyle “i’ll rip his lips off” Alzado…
definately the Tooz belongs on the list…
August 9th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Alzado and Tooz belong if Wheatley belongs.
Pete is right about Woodson…cool guy, truly GREAT player, but his one year of service can’t take away from other players’ great careers on the Raiders.
Funny thing is…JMac has people posting on his blog, about another guy’s article. Nicely done, Jerr!
August 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
17#For Marcus? Only cause they screwed with his playing time. Plunkett has 2 SB rings and that’s what qb are judged on.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Right about Rod Woodson, of course.
Charles Woodson could’ve been higher on the Raiders’ list, and even be on the list of the NFL’s all-time greats if he just wanted to be. So much talent, such an aloof approach to his leadership role, and in preparing for game day.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The Tooz has to be ahead of Chicken Wings McGlockton. I was too young to see Big John play, but Chester had a way of disappearing whenever we needed him most. Plus, his offsides penalties were a big problem.
My uncle goes to every game on Mt. Davis in his “Remember the Tooz” T-shirt, lol.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Wow, it’s a great weekend to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
Every player/ranking on that list is arguable, but Poole did a pretty good job. (Gulp) He even put The Judge, the great Raider Lester Hayes, in just about the right place — surrounded by some pretty good company.
If more journalists — especially guys just like Monte Poole, who have been around awhile — would’ve recognized Cliff Branch more publicly all those years ago when Stallworth and Swann were being voted into the HOF…then maybe Cliff would’ve had a chance.
Same ol’ story…all-time NFL greats Lester Hayes and Cliff Branch have the numbers, and the gravitas to be Hall Of Famers. Down the line, the only way they ever will be is if they’re not forgotten now.
Good to see Todd Christensen getting props he deserves. Gannon’s in about the right spot, maybe even a little too low — he’s as responsible for the AFC runs as Gruden is. Wiz may be a little too low.
Chester McGlockton?? I won’t even put his name in the same paragraph as those other guys. 4x Pro Bowl, one winning season, and total lack of heart, discipline, and results when the team needed it most. Losing this guy gives you room for…
…Wheatley, if he’s the pick.
Nnamdi is the best in the NFL now…and if he can elevate his team, he’ll move right up any all-time Raiders list in a hurry.
We’d all love (well, most of us) to see Nnamdi move right up the all-time NFL greats list in a hurry…and that only happens if he does elevate his team enough to bring real results (read: wins).
RNC? Anybody notice how neither DHB nor Murph looked like rookies out there? Murphy has lots of quick energy, and DHB looks like he’s coiled and ready to strike at all times. Watkins looks pretty good! Frye might just take away Garcia’s job after all…Jeff’s “calf” better feel better soon!
The team is showing more spirit and comraderie than they have in years…IT’S ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL. Wow. When’s the last time we could say that?
^^^^^^^Was watching the top 10 players who should be in the HOF on NFL Network Friday night and it’s mind boggling as to why a select group of biased sports writers who probably never played football are deciding who does and who does not get into the HOF. Freakin ridiculous! Paul Zimmerman from Sports Illustrated reaffirmed to me why he is a JACKASS who needs to be stripped of his voting credentials. He said he will never for as long as he lives vote for Stabler to be in the HOF, didn’t give a legitimate reason why, and then later said some random freakin names that should be in?? Zimmerman is exactly the type of idiot bitter and biased “journalist” who shouldn’t voting for anything! The NFL needs to form a HOF voting committee made up of former players who are currently living and in the HOF. The voting committee should be changed or rotated every 3-5 years.
Leaving the status of HOF players in the hands of sports writers who are biased and not objective is a complete and utter JOKE!
August 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Marcus was a great player…who only locked his place in history because of his amazing performance in the Super Bowl (much like Swann). I loved watching the way he ran that football…the way he glided sometimes, especially at the goal line.
But, had he not padded his stats while NOT WINNING ANYTHING IN K.C. (even though the Raiders gave away the division for almost a decade)…Marcus would’ve been just another good/sometimes-great long-term back like Curtis Martin was for the NYJ. And Curtis Martin may or may not be great enough for HOF consideration.
#17 is probably about right for Marcus.
Tim Brown may be a little low, but not very — for all his stats, they were mostly quiet ones…and HE should’ve been able to elevate his team more often, if he truly were “Mr. Raider” as he liked to remind everybody. Timmy was great player, but his team achievements are lacking.
Where’s Jano?? Win a few Playoff games, and the Raiders’ all-time leading scorer will be up there on that list…
August 9th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Well, no matter what one thinks about Poole…his list was a good one, and it’s bringing out some interesting discussion.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Lunch! Later, Raiders fans…
August 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
So what rookie are we most excited about seeing this weekend? Mitchell? DHB? Murphy?
I say Mitchell most of all, but I would like to see DHB get a chance for a few catches. I also want to see how Ricky Brown does in the middle as well.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“8. Lester Hayes (1977-86): His 1980 season, with 18 interceptions, five of which came in the postseason, resulted in a Defensive Player of the Year award and remains the most tangible achievement by a cornerback in NFL history. Hayes picked up two rings, played in five Pro Bowls and shares with Willie Brown the team’s career interception record.”
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Why is this guy not in the Hall of Fame already? Barely even gets mentioned as one of those obvious snubs.
Also, Stabler, Marcus, Tim Brown and Howie Long should be higher on the list.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Good afternoon Nation.
Dave Dalby is # 13, but Tatum is # 20!!!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
What about Lyle Alzado too? Come on Jerry, Tyrone Wheatly was more deserving a spot?
August 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Marcus Allen went to the HOF as a Chief!!
A Chief!!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Can’t forget Ben Davidson, just for the fact he’d take on all eleven from the other team in a fight.
Also, Otis Sistrunk. Plugged the middle of the line as well or better than any other player to wear the S&B.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Did Joe M go in as a Chief?????
No!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Marcus was a great player…who only locked his place in history because of his amazing performance in the Super Bowl (much like Swann). I loved watching the way he ran that football…the way he glided sometimes, especially at the goal line.
But, had he not padded his stats while NOT WINNING ANYTHING IN K.C. (even though the Raiders gave away the division for almost a decade)…Marcus would’ve been just another good/sometimes-great long-term back like Curtis Martin was for the NYJ. And Curtis Martin may or may not be great enough for HOF consideration.
#17 is probably about right for Marcus.
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I totally disagree with both you and Jerry.
1. Marcus was a lock for the HOF before he played a down in KC.
2. Curtis Martin is a lock for the Hall of Fame. Possibly a first ballot guy. I’d say the two guys are very comparable but it’s not going to take long for Martin to get in. Look up his numbers.
August 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Well, if you’re going by what they’re paid, we know Tommy Kelly is the best Raiders defensive lineman ever. Oh yeh! Booyah! Up high!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Marcus Allen was the greatest Raider ever. Period. Without him, al only has two Super Bowls. al should thank god every day that Ron Wolf drafted Mr. Allen, just as Mr. Wolf was responsible for most of the players on that list.
August 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
“and although Otto may not have been as accomplished as Shell or Upshaw, he represents everything about what Raider toughness is to this day.”
LOL. Jerry. You’re too much. What Raider toughness?
August 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
No way, NO WAY, McGlutton deserves to on this list and Greg Beikert isn’t.
He was the man in the middle for us, all blood and guts.
August 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Marcus Allen was the greatest Raider ever. Period. Without him, al only has two Super Bowls. al should thank god every day that Ron Wolf drafted Mr. Allen, just as Mr. Wolf was responsible for most of the players on that list.
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Lying as usual. Ron Wolf said that Al drafted Marcus mr dope. And once again you give sole credit to a guy who got all of his yards when the game was in doubt not to mention that defense led by Kinlaw, Millen, Townsend, Howie, Davis, Martin, Hayes, Haynes shut down the highest scoring team in NFL history at that time…And only an idiot like you would believe that Ron Wolf had final say during his tenure with Al.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” – John Adams
The Real Madden Raider says:
“Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do.”
The Real John Madden says:
“He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”
August 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“8. Lester Hayes (1977-86): His 1980 season, with 18 interceptions, five of which came in the postseason, resulted in a Defensive Player of the Year award and remains the most tangible achievement by a cornerback in NFL history. Hayes picked up two rings, played in five Pro Bowls and shares with Willie Brown the team’s career interception record.”
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Why is this guy not in the Hall of Fame already? Barely even gets mentioned as one of those obvious snubs.
Also, Stabler, Marcus, Tim Brown and Howie Long should be higher on the list.
^^^^^^^Another ridiculous snub!
Lester Hayes should have been in the HOF a long freakin time ago!
The HOF voting moronic sports writers are just plain and simply biased, ignorant jackasses!
August 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
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August 9th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Love the whole Crabtree thing because of everyone who laughed at us draft day for not taking him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-crabtreerisks080809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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And they’re STILL laughing at you, fool.
You blew it. Plain and simple. You notice how it’s ONLY slow Raider fans who are stating ‘duh, Crabtree didn’t sign yet. We’re glad we made our stupid choice.”
That article said nothing about it being a bad pick. Stated Crabtree would be foolish if he sat out the year.
He won’t. He never stated he would.
Writer knew some slow Raider fans would give it the time of day, and thanks to you, he was right.
What did Bey do again in college?
oh yeah…NOTHING.
What has Bey done so far in training camp?
EVEN WORSE THAN COLLEGE.
You blew it.
You desperately posting silly links hoping to mask that fact means even you know it.
August 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
According to apreseason power ranking:
29- Raiders
28- KC
LMAO @ KC ahead of the Raiders!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Marcus Allen was the greatest Raider ever. Period. Without him, al only has two Super Bowls. al should thank god every day that Ron Wolf drafted Mr. Allen, just as Mr. Wolf was responsible for most of the players on that list.
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Lying as usual. Ron Wolf said that Al drafted Marcus mr dope. And once again you give sole credit to a guy who got all of his yards when the game was in doubt not to mention that defense led by Kinlaw, Millen, Townsend, Howie, Davis, Martin, Hayes, Haynes shut down the highest scoring team in NFL history at that time…And only an idiot like you would believe that Ron Wolf had final say during his tenure with Al.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” – John Adams
The Real Madden Raider says:
“Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do.”
The Real John Madden says:
“He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”
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Geez you’re slow.
What Wolf stated is that HE HAD TO TALK AL DAVIS INTO DRAFTING MARCUS ALLEN, BECAUSE AL DIDN’T WANT HIM…not the other way around, dufus.
And quit pretending you have short attention span (hey, maybe it’s not pretending)
It’s been explained to you. You just aren’t bright enough, or have the balls to state when you’re wrong.
Madden gives Davis props for giving him his shot.
He hates him as a person.
Appreciates that people, ESPECIALLY RAIDER FANS would HATE (in your case ‘fall down crying’) if Madden went public with Al being the biggest ahole around. Again, politically correct answers is what bright public figures answer with, NOT stating headline grabbing s**t disturbing comments.
how is it you’re so slow?
John Rauch-QUIT because Al was an a hole.
Madden-QUIT because Al was an a hole.
Flores…SAME
Al is a cancer that is slowly destroying the Raiders…
Most Raider fans realize..then there are the sheep, who only know how to follow.
Congrats DoucheSheep..you’re near the top of the list.
August 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Going WAY back,Tom Flores and Cotton Davidson as the QBs,and then Clem Daniels and H Dixon as RBs,then the Eleven Angry MEN,defense,!!!!!!!!!Over the years many ups and downs,(last six),however, I must say,my daughters,grand daughters,son,son in laws are all RAIDER FANS,PERIOD!!! So im blessed,guess 9-7,or better Raider OOOOO,RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
How do we start a grass roots campaign to get Lester in the HoF?
August 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Gilbert,
RAIDERS!!!!!
Chaz!!!!! Aztecs!!!!
lol
August 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Where’s Kwame Harris?
Seriously though, I have no major complaints with the list. Poole had a tough job picking these guys out.
August 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
O,
Why is the fact that the Chiefs are a spot ahead of the Raiders a LOL moment?? Not saying the Chiefs are better or worse than the Raiders, but a LOL moment??
August 9th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
must be sad and lonely for non raiders fans if they gotta come here every day, read and respond to comments about a team they dont even like!!!!
chaz is gonna be a break out WR this year for the raiders
August 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
DHB=R.O.Y.
crabtree=playing madden 10
August 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
To be a fan does one have to blindly agree with every move made and think every player or draft pick is an All Pro.
August 9th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Ron,
-They have a system QB, who had one good year, and was unheard of before last season.
-they traded their best weapon on offense. TG
-they are switching from a 4-3 Defense to a 3-4
-new coach, GM, staff, etc……
August 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
You could say the same about the Raiders on almost all except for the fact that Russell hasnt had a season like Cassell had regardless if it was a “system” season.
Cassell has Bowe. Russell has……
Chiefs O-line is at least decent the Raiders………
Like I said, its close its definitely not far fetched enough to be a LMAO moment
August 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Good to see Van Mc Elroy on the list.
August 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Hell for that matter you could argue their backup QB had a better 08 than Russell.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Ted Hendricks, and Otis Sistrunk…..
August 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Right now you can’t compare the Raiders and the Chiefs. In 05 and 06 they had good years. Now, they are in complete disarray, a lot more than we are. Their biggest problem has been on their defense. That has not been the problem here, even tho some of the posters on this site think so. Their defensive line is dismal and Glenn Dorsey BETTER become a Pro Bowl player for their sakes, or they will be in real trouble. Their offensive line has 3 starters on it with 10+ years. It needs to be rebuilt. They lost their best offensive player tony Gonzalez and Matt Cassell has had one good year, at ANY level. Larry Johnson is their RB and he makes Ladanian seem young and fresh. We have a decent defense, some very young potentially very very good playmakers on offense and a fresh outlook. You cannot compare them to us right now.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Your out your damn mind! How could you even type that garbage? The Raiders D is decent? WTF? Chiefs are in dissaray? The Raiders are the dictionary def of dissaray. The Raider d-line is and has been one of the worst in the NFL for years. Its one thing to be a homer dude, but come on. Your throwing stones from a glass house with you comments on the Chiefs. Unreal.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Oak,
I agree.
1 good year at Any Level!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
And dont get it twisted, I am no fan of the Chiefs and dont think they are very good, but to suggest the Raiders are head and shoulders better is laughable. Didnt the Chiefs beat the Raiders at the end of the year last year?
August 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
chiefs won 2 games and your hyping up the chiefs?? chiefs also do not have a good D-line
August 9th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Quick question though. True or false. Both KC qbs had better years than Russell.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Whos hyping them clown? Read the post before you comment jack ass.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
the big difference! russell was coming off his very first training camp
August 9th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
name calling? thats funny
August 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Russell was in camp in 07, practiced all year and even played a few games at the end. What a stupid comment. LOL
August 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
OK boys, just to clarify. If the Chiefs are a 3 on a scale of 1-10. What are the Raiders in your opinion??
August 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Come on RaiderRon, have some faith. You’re bumming me out.
Where’s AZ when we need him?
10-6! Drink it!
August 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
67,
Practiced all year in 07!!!!!!
Can you remember the holdout? Try!
August 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
are you telling me russell who held out until week 2 was in traing camp in 07
August 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
TRAINING CAMP
August 9th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Twocents,
Don’t play with the KoolAide!
9-7!!! Drink it!! Enjoy it!!! Live it!!! Love it!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Not training camp, was thinking he came late. But he did practice all year and played a few games. All your doing is making excuses. Tyler Freakn Thigpen had as good a year than Russell and hes their backup.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
thigpen had a very good year but not my point
August 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Ron,
you don’t even have a team. Your 2009 mission in life is to bash the Raiders and support no other team in the league. There is no word or term to describe you because hater is sort of a compliment in your case.
I think it is safe to just consider you a “Cockroach.” Those are some of the most disrespectful creatures on earth. They just appear out of nowhere and aggravate the crap out of you until they get smashed.
So lets give a warm welcome Nation to our new Cockroach, RaiderRon. Careful! He’s a big one b/c every time we smash him he keeps crawling back out.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
504,
Watched every Raider game since the invention of NFL ticket. Travel to a game every year since college. My weeks are either made or ruined by what happens on Sundays. So shove your little shpeil on not being a fan. Just because I am not dillusional dznt make me any less of a fan, just makes me a more sane one.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
preseason rankings dont mean nothing anyway miami was ranked 30th last year cleveland was about 12
August 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Raider O,
Now you’re talking. I’ll accept 9-7.
After we crush SD on Monday Night Football, I’ll be be screaming 10-6!
August 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Ill say it again for you simpletons on here…. The Chiefs are not very good. Period. But to suggest that the Raiders are somehow head and shoulders above them is rediculous.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
OO looks healthy. He’s running, making cuts, and looks good at practice.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Raiders= head and shoulders above everyone
August 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Cockroach Ron,
when was the last time you gave the Raiders a compliment?
August 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Nnamdi’s back baby!
August 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
When is the last time they deserved one?
August 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
what a difference a year makes chaz is gonna be a great WR this year
August 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
When is the last time they deserved one?
week 16
week 17
August 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Garcia’s out AGAIN.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Since you weren’t here the last time they deserved a compliment, why don’t you disappear until they earn their next one. We will be here waiting to hear you throw up on the computer.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
And those 2 wins put the streak of 10+ loss seasons at how many??
August 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Ususally dont compliment 5-11 teams. LOL! Thats just me though….
August 9th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
9-7!!!!!
Miller to the PB
Nnamdi to the PB
Lechler to the PB
TH to the PB
Chaz will be our #1 WR, and he will be great.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
they didnt have to win those games couldve been a 3-13 season
August 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
The Mod should change the warning to “posting too pessimistically” for RaiderRon.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
5-11 3-13 Diff??
August 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Jerry MAc Twitter:
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After several inside runs out of power formation, no WRs, Russell playfakes,rolls right, hits Foschi in stride . . . smooth
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Who’s Foschi?
August 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Ron,
Honest question. Why are you here?
August 9th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
5-11 3-13 Diff??
Confidence for a young team and QB
Tom cable being hired as the coach and trust me so far cable has been a big difference in the way the team is coached
August 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
John Paul Foschi–H-back/TE.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
How in the hell would you know if Cables making a diff?
Raider0,
Debating you homers is fun. Why are you here besides making rediculous statements?
August 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Thanks 504.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Garcia should be history…
the offense this year is going to be good…
the pass defense will be very good…
who’s gonna stop the run???
and yes…
raider ron is a cockroach…
August 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
T.O. TIME, MOTHER FUGGERS!!! Bills are one of those teams I’m going to follow while the Raiders continue to suck balls the way Oakglenn sucks Al Davis’s balls. How are all of you, anyway?
August 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Yep, the offense will go from historically bad to good in one year. Okaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
FloridaPete is a douche
August 9th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
From David White:
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Circus catch of day: JaMarcus pass thru TE Foschi’s hands, right to in-charging Schilens for nab.
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Schilens is a beast.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
the players say tom cable has been a big difference
August 9th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
T.O. will score more touchdowns in the one quarter he’ll play today than DHB will his entire two year career.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RogRaiderFan, what do you think the players are going to say, that he sucks?
August 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
So is Southwick back, or what? He’s throwing to DHB in a drill by themselves.
I guess he’s interning?
August 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
if we vote i bet you will win the award of biggest douche raiderron wait!! just plain ron
August 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
interning
August 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
T.O. will score more touchdowns in the one quarter he’ll play today than DHB will his entire two year career.
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I’ll take issue with that one there, lol.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
# Twocents Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
The Mod should change the warning to “posting too pessimistically” for RaiderRon.
……
Actually, “posting too quickly” is perfect considering the kool aid drinking nonsense that comes out of this comments section. “slow down”. I can just see the looks on your guys’ faces when you’ve posted an entire denial ridden, “Al is great” diatribe only to hit submit, and be told to “slow down”. Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Dick Jauron looks pretty junior. Like he lives with his mom. Oakglenn hasn’t been here. Hmmmmm.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Is Tennessee using the Oiler look permanently, or just today? It had that oiler emblem next to the players pictures when showing the starters.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
john madden loves al davis
August 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Kerry Collins is finally looking like Kerry Collins. Threw the ball where there was nothing but Bills.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Ron,
I’m here because I enjoy debating with you Talking Monkeys.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
John Madden hates Al Davis, and just gives him props for giving him his shot. Madden avoids Al.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Fake punt for 6! Wow. Nice play.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Why would Fisher reveal that play this early on, though?
August 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Bills just got punked.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
You guys are being rude. Goodbye.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Alright, I’m back. The thing is, DP, why would Fisher reveal that play in the preseason? That was a great play.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
TO! Already! He’s the best! Fug all haters.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
al and john are watching the game together now
why would he pick al to introduce him in the hall thats love best friends lol
August 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
John hates Al, Rog. Face it.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Bills’ line is getting no push for Lynch, and Tennessee’s D line isn’t as good without Haynesworth. They’d better just get the ball to TO this year. Edwards just threw the worst past I’ve ever seen. INT.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
madden raider stop drinking
August 9th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Wtf has Collinsworth done to get these high profile jobs?…is he some gay toy for some old geezer that runs the network or something?
August 9th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I never wanted the Raiders to get rid of Collins. With an O line hes decent.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I don’t drink, Rog.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Collins is too slow. I think Russell’s better than Collins. I think Garcia’s better than both of them, for the short term.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
And another thing, Al Michaels always gets praised as best play by play man,..ya ok,..I dont hear anything special from him,…that do you believe in miracles was lame also,..bfd, hockey,..who cares…hes an ex SF Giants radio hack that pretty much sucks and I told him that at a Tahoe celebrity golf event a few years ago.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Sold my preseason Dallas tix to some Cowboy fans for 125 bucks each. lol…suckers.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Garcia should be our starter. You start your best players, period. Too bad that Russell’s a high draft pick. That’s the fault of the idiot who drafted him. I wish Cable had the balls to just start Garcia. That’s what Madden did with Stabler. You know, Madden, Davis’s best friend and puppet.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Im already bored with this preseason game,..off to watch Yankees.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Ralph Wilson’s being interviewed in the booth. Says he regrets saving the Raiders, and that he apologizes to Raider fans about Al Davis.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
No touchdowns for T.O. in that quarter.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
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Norco Bob Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
And another thing, Al Michaels always gets praised as best play by play man,..ya ok,..I dont hear anything special from him,…that do you believe in miracles was lame also,..bfd, hockey,..who cares…hes an ex SF Giants radio hack that pretty much sucks and I told him that at a Tahoe celebrity golf event a few years ago.
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I agree with you on that Norco.
August 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Alright, pirate. I was wrong. Guess DHB has a chance, after all. He just needs to hope that teams will give the Raiders the deep pass. Ha.
August 9th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
That interview they gave Rod Woodson was pathetic. They let Ralph Wilson’s old ass up in the studio, they should have brought Rod in too.
August 9th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I remember I was at a game between the Raiders & Patriots. Russ Francis ran a post route, the ball went to another receiver, but after the play George Atkinson forearmed Francis in the nose and broke it. No flag.
August 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
hmmm if i was T.O. i would be mad right now
August 9th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Is my memory clouded or did Greg Biekert deserve to be ranked in there? And while it’s good to see Woodson snuck into #50, why the hell isn’t Lechler in there?
August 9th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
RaiderRon I know exactly how you feel, that why In the offseason I will be opptmistic but another azz whopping to the chargers and beat down on national tv and I’ll be right their with you.
August 9th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
This game is setting a record for boredom. Chris Mortenson’s lying son is in the game.
August 9th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
# Raider O Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Marcus Allen went to the HOF as a Chief!!
A Chief!!!!!
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You don’t ‘go in’ as anything in football. You’re thinking of baseball, where a player chooses which cap he’ll be wearing. In football, it’s just a bust of the player with a plaque.
August 9th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
The raiders are better than the chiefs. last year we beat them pretty handedly in that 1st (courtesy of dmac 164 yrds). And even the year B4 then we beat them in arrowhead and they stole one from us in oakland. And yes we lost to them last year, but they didnt beat us we beat ourselves. The raiders came out a lil too confident that game if you ask me.
August 9th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I believe raiderron’s giving matt cassel a lil too much credit. I find it hard 4 you to fail as a qb when you have the patriots line, with wes welker, and randy moss at wr. So dont put it like its a surprise he had a better season than russel. I guarantee you if you jr had the weapons n protection cassel had last year he would had a good season also. And how did thigpen have a better season than jr when his team finished with a worse record than the raiderz?
August 9th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Marcus was a great player…who only locked his place in history because of his amazing performance in the Super Bowl (much like Swann). I loved watching the way he ran that football…the way he glided sometimes, especially at the goal line.
But, had he not padded his stats while NOT WINNING ANYTHING IN K.C. (even though the Raiders gave away the division for almost a decade)…Marcus would’ve been just another good/sometimes-great long-term back like Curtis Martin was for the NYJ. And Curtis Martin may or may not be great enough for HOF consideration.
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Marcus only locked his place in history because of amazing SB performance?
Huh?
Marcus began his pro career as the NFL Rookie of the Year and ended as the game’s all-time rushing touchdown leader.
Here..read the following exert, then apologize for being un-informed.
At the time of his retirement following the 1997 season, he held the single-season record for most rushing and receiving yards combined (2,314), second in consecutive 100-yard games, and was third in career-combined yardage. During his 11 seasons with the Raiders, was named to the Pro Bowl five times. He added a sixth appearance in 1994, as a member of the Kansas City Chiefs.
He was the Raiders leading ground gainer seven consecutive years and the Chiefs four consecutive times. He even led the Raiders in receptions with 51 in 1987. Allen’s big-game performance in Super Bowl XVIII when the Raiders defeated the Washington Redskins 38-9 earned the then-second-year player game MVP honors. In that game he rushed for 191 yards and scored two touchdowns, one a Super Bowl record 74-yard gallop.
Allen’s finest season came in 1985, as he led the league with 1,759 rushing yards on 380 carries for a 4.6 yards per carry average and 11 touchdowns. He also caught 67 passes for 555 yards and scored an additional three touchdowns. For his performance he was rewarded with league MVP honors.
In 1995, Marcus made NFL history when he became when he became the first player in league history to rush for over 10,000 yards and catch passes for 5,000 more. As further evidence of his versatility, Allen completed 12 of 27 passes for 282 yards and six touchdowns during his career.
In 15 career playoff games, he carried the ball 267 times for 1,347 yards and 11 touchdowns, averaging an impressive 5.0 yards per carry average. He also added 52 catches for 522 yards and two receiving touchdowns.
August 9th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Dmac20 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
The raiders are better than the chiefs. last year we beat them pretty handedly in that 1st (courtesy of dmac 164 yrds). And even the year B4 then we beat them in arrowhead and they stole one from us in oakland. And yes we lost to them last year, but they didnt beat us we beat ourselves. The raiders came out a lil too confident that game if you ask me.
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A little too confident?
the Raiders?
The ‘08 Raiders, with Russell behind center?
THAT TEAM??
What are you? A comedian? How could the Raiders ever have gone onto the field “confident”?
KC beat you. Get over it. Save the “we beat ourselves”.
That’s a copout.
August 9th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
How about Dave Grayson, Kent McCloughan?
August 9th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
No ricochet they were confident. Trust me I watch every raider game I know what im talking about. All the trick plays and fake field goals looked of a team that was too confident. They would have never tried those plays on the patriots or steelers… So what does that tell you? They had beaten the chiefs before already in the season and they had won only one game up to that point. The raiders whole demanor that game was as if “we’ve got this one in the bag.” And you say “kc beat you” as if you’re not a raiders fan, and if you’re not a raiders fan i’d like to ask why are you on here???
August 9th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Mcglocton out, Tooz, Alzado, Davidson, Steve Smith or even Eddie Anderson in.
August 9th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
I always read the articles and rarely the comments because it seems that more often than not the people posting;
1) bash the Raiders/ Al Davis
2) talk about basketball or baseball
3) bash other posters…
WTF is wrong with people? Step away from the computer and go get some air.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Was more a case of Cable calling the most unlikely to be successful trick play of the year, that became the difference in winning or losing.
You stated the Raiders came out too confident.
Then proceeded to say the coach called a bad game.
That’s not the same as coming out confident, at all.
Team played flat, pretty much like most of the year.
Again, the team had ZERO reasons to feel confident, considering how the season went so far.
Again, it’s a copout to state “they didn’t win it, we lost it”
August 10th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Beyond the calls i also stated their demeanor was of a team who by all means just knew they were going to win.and to say the way the season went is no reason for them to be confident is a bad argument. If that was the case they would have not won those last 2 games because according to you they had no confidence in themselves that they could do so… Also your argument is weak because that game in which they lost to the chiefs came after a 35-10 victory over the broncos in donkeyville.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:20 am
so they had every reason to be confident. At the time the broncos were the top team in the AFC west and the raiders werent officially out of the playoff race. They had beatin the chiefs before and the chiefs had only won one game… So why wouldnt they be confident they could beat the chiefs?? Your talking as if the chiefs are the chargers or patriots. Please dont argue raiders with me because you will not win. (;
August 10th, 2009 at 2:32 am
And saying we beat ourselves is not a cop out its the truth. The raiders gave that game away. It wasnt like the chiefs were playing great defense, running all over us, and throwing touchdowns. The radiers actually had more yards and played d its just the raiders made some costly mistakes and they capitolized. we left alot of points on the board because we were tryin things we things we felt we could get away with just because we were playing a lesser team. If it were anyother team theyd of played it safe.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:37 am
And why would they have played it safe??? Because they were less confident in their abilities/ and things they could get away with. And they even mentioned how confident they were because of the things they went over in practice…