Q&A with Sanjay Lal
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, August 9th, 2009 at 11:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A transcription of the first meeting with the media for first-year wide receiver’s coach Sanjay Lal:
Q: How are the young WRs coming along?
Lal: Very good, extremely hard working core. They want to be great. They’re hungry, they’re young. A coach couldn’t ask for more.
Q: How about the rookies?
Lal: Every one has done what’s been asked of them and more.
Q: Darrius Heyward-Bey had a rough start, but seemed to turn it around, what went in to that?
Lal: All summer he’s been working on a key set of techniques in terms of his catching, concentration, routes and it’s just a matter of time. It needs to come together for him. We just need to get him reps. More reps, more reps, more reps and that’s where it’ll take him to where he needs to go.
Q: No experience outside Javon Walker, but do you like having a clean slate to work with?
Lal: I’ve always had a vision of how I would want the receiver corp to be and with a clean slate like you said, you can implement everything from Ground 1 how it should be done. And speaking of Javon, he has echoed every one so it’s been great to have a clean slate with a veteran who wants them to be great also.
Q: How does it help to get Javon added to group?
Lal: It gives us the bell cow that we haven’t earned yet. If he comes in and plays like the Javon we know we can be, then they’ll have a leader who can apply what we’re teaching and make it real for them.
Q: Last year’s stats were NFL worst, but with strong finishes by Schilens and Higgins, did you have a good feeling about what you had coming back?
Lal: Yes and I wouldn’t correlate it to the stats. Those guys are getting better every day. The run game took off at the end, the defense played better, JaMarcus played well so it’s a combination. It was everything starting to jive and that’s what we feel will happen this year.
Q: You got to learn under James Lofton, how much did that help you?
Lal: What he did was he gave me confidence to stand up for what I believe as a coach. He and I really thought alike on a lot of subjects. It was nice for me to see, here is how I would handle it, how is James will handle it. And it reinforced a lot of my beliefs. Stand tough, don’t back down. You’re teaching them the right things. They will respond, maybe not at first. But if they trust you and you can show them one technique or one move than can help them, then they will listen to you.
Q: Guys said in OTAs that you used round table for meetings instead of rows, is that still in place?
Lal: We can’t do it at training camp but we replaced our classroom style for a conference table. Because we are all in it together. We’re going to make each other better. I’m the facilitator. We all watch film together. I ask Johnnie Lee what Chaz did wrong or what he could do better on a route. I’ll ask Chaz himself. We all talk about each play together.
Q: Is that something you had done somewhere else?
Lal: Like I said, I always had a vision of how I wanted it to be and how I was not coached and how I wanted to be coached. I took it from my book of do’s and don’ts.
Q: What led you into coaching?
Lal: It really stemmed from … I always thought I wanted to be a coach at some point and I really tried and tried and tried and probably over-tried to make it into the NFL and I didn’t. When I didn’t make it into the NFL, I coached high school football. At first I thought it was just high school football. But then I got into it. There was one player, a receiver, and I taught him a move and he used the move and scored and came back and hugged me on the sideline and said, ‘Coach, I wouldn’t have scored if it wasn’t for you.’ And right then I was hooked.
Q: Was that at Miramonte?
Lal: Yes.
Q: Was it Drew Bennett?
Lal: It wasn’t Bennett. Bennett was the quarterback. None of the big time guys. Phil Wagner actually. It was Phil Wagner and I was hooked because I could live my dreams through them.
Q: Does it put pressure on you because they used first round pick on receiver?
Lal: Not for me personally. I just take it as I’m privileged to have this job. I told Coach Cable and Coach Davis that ‘You’ve given me my dream job and I will coach every day with that attitude.’ It’s like a gift to me to have these young guys to mold.
Q: How cool to have a job in NFL and for it to be with Raiders with you having some Bay Area roots?
Lal: To be with the Raiders is a dream. It’s one of 32 jobs but it’s with the Raiders. So you have your dreams and this comes true and you look back and say how did I get here. If I could have written it, I wouldn’t have been able to write it or believe it. But it happened and I’m not going to let go of it.
You’ll notice Lal referred to “coach Cable and coach Davis.” Calling the owner “coach Davis” gives Lal something in common with Bill Belichick.
As he began his interview, Cable walked past and said, “That’s a fine,” with Lal joking that perhaps he should have waited until the coach had cleared the area. Lal was approached a few days back when Cable gave the green light for talking to assistants, only to have the P.R staff insist on 24 hours notice. John Marshall and Ted Tollner talked in the meantime.
Lal needn’t worry about a fine. He said all the right things, paid respect to all things Raiders and has held steadfast to what is so far company policy to not single out or criticize one receiver as opposed to another.
Burgess talks to New England media
Derrick Burgess spoke to the New England media for the first time since being traded from the Raiders, and not surprisingly revealed little or nothing about the process.
He did have one good line when asked by a reporter if he could play standing up, a reference from moving to outside linebacker after being a defensive end.
“I’m standing up right now,” Burgess said.
Burgess didn’t criticize his former team, just as they didn’t criticize him, and said there has been no agreement to extend his contract.
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August 9th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Go Sanjay Go!!!
August 9th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Who’s Sanjay Lal? The doctor from CNN? Oh, never mind. He’s on the current Raiders’ coaching staff. No wonder nobody knows who he is.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Paging Sanjay!
August 9th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
coach davis.lol… classic.(:
August 9th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Just to tack on to a point you made, Jerry. While Lal calling al “coach Davis” does give him something in common with Bill Belichick, one huge thing they do not have in common is the willingness to be a puppet for al.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
whatever happened to Lofton?is he still on the payroll?if so,in what capacity?does anyone know?
August 9th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Lofton came in last year, saw a complete f’n mess, and left. He hasn’t been seen since.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
The doctor from CNN
Sanjay Gupta
August 9th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Yeh, that’s who I’m talking about, 666! He’s our WR coach, too? That’s cool.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Naw trmr I believe belichick would have loved to be a raider puppet. Remmember he interviewd for the raiders job also but al went with gruden instead, and from the looks of it belichick is enamored by all the players al is enamored with.lol From andrew walter, randy moss, lamont jordan, and derrick burgess on down. haha I think al and belichick would get along well…
August 10th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Damn wanted to see DHB, hope he gets in for a few downs. Walker has a chance to contribute. I saw Walker on CL and man he looks huge. At first I thought he was a TE.
IT appears timing is still an issue with Russell and the WR’s. But my gage is for midseason before they really start to gel.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Yet Al Davis can’t pick players and is soo stupid. But the most respected coach in the business takes whatever he can get from him. All they have to do is change uni’s and all of a sudden they’re good players.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:57 am
What disgusts me is the blatant hypocrisy from some of these dimwits that post here. According to them Al Davis doesn’t have an eye for talent, the game has passed him by, he’s senile, doesn’t know what he’s doing, everyone on his staff is a puppet, blah, blah, blah.
But for some strange reason, even though Al Davis is a blundering, control freak who controls every last detail on the Raiders, when it comes to the special, talented players the Raiders have, ie,
Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller, Michael Bush, Darren Mcfadden, Mario Henderson, Thomas Howard, Trevor Scott, Chaz Schillens, Johnnie Lee, Shane Lechler, and Justin Miller on special teams,
all of a sudden these halfwits flip the script, and somehow try to claim that these players WEREN’T AL DAVIS PICKS!! SMHLMFAO.
I can respect a person’s opinion even if it may be different than mine, but hypocrisy and blatant lies are things I can not tolerate.
If Al davis makes all decisions, then that means that he obviously still has a good eye for talent. If Al Davis didn’t select all of those players, then that means that he’s not as controlling meddling as alot of you claim he is. Which one is it then? Make up your freaking minds. Pathetic.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:57 am
i’m not sure when it will happen but when this thing gets turned around who will be responsible for it.it surely can’t be Cable or any ass’ts since they all suck or they wouldn’t be Raider coaches.it won’t be because of AD because he has lost it and he also sucks.so who will we give the credit to?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:02 am
Didn’t Sanjay compete on American Idol?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
Coach Cable likes 2 start the 2nd practice at 4:20 ya know
August 10th, 2009 at 4:21 am
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August 10th, 2009 at 4:39 am
Man I am ESTATIC that OO is making the cuts ALLREADY.Man our running game is gonna B a grind it out,smash-mouthed kick the opposing teams defence azz all game long speed-kills running game,imo =)
August 10th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Wal-Mart run
August 10th, 2009 at 5:02 am
What’s up game against the boys only a few days away can’t wait to see how both lines look, football is won in the trenches and we have stunk on both sides for no suprise all 6 yrs of this run.
August 10th, 2009 at 5:35 am
kush i dont think al doesnt have an eye for talent but i do think he is a lil obssesed with speed in the draft ie huff routt and now bey in the last few years
August 10th, 2009 at 5:50 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
What’s up 4eva, tbone, NMF? It’s another Monday morning…
I agree NMF…3 more days til we get to see how both of our lines look like.
August 10th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Good morning Nation! It’s about 9:00 back East, and we are busy preparing ourselves to dominate Jerry and his little cowgirls on Thursday night. They may be without both starting corners, so our passing game may be able to light it up early!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:06 am
That’s good, but…who are there starting corners? I hope their back ups don’t become stars, especially on us!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:07 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,HWNDR,NOMOREFARGAS,4EVA,ALL THE USUAL SUSPECT’S.LET THE GAME’S BEGIN..
August 10th, 2009 at 6:08 am
DHB hurt again already. Murphy will hopefully take advantage of the opportunity to play more. To bad we don’t have Parcells around, because he would be giving DHB the she comment. She (DHB) is almost ready to play again. For this guy to be our top pick, he has to be on the field, and Lal even said this guy needs alot of work. I hope DHB (manos de piedros) can get it together and stay healthy. They said he may not even play Thursday, that is not a good start if he cannot go. For those of you who think this guy is the next coming of Jerry Rice, lets keep it real.
Go Raiders!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:22 am
The bell cow!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!!!!
DHB will be fine chucka, Its a percation trust me after the fiasco that was Mcfadden toe it wont happen again!!
Morning hwnrdr,
well at least its not Pac Man playing back up he might last boyscout JLH or something!!!
CHEERS TO Darren blowing up Bochetti!! We need this!!
AZ Start up the pump lets letr it flow its game week!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:28 am
mmmmmmmmm BBQ bell cow!!!!! top o the morning BSJ your neph still “internin”???
August 10th, 2009 at 6:29 am
JERRY RICE WAS VERY AVERAGE HIS FIRST YEAR,AS I RECALL.IF DHB PUT’S UP 1/2 OF RICE’S CAREER #’S …..
August 10th, 2009 at 6:34 am
DHB
775 recs
11,448 yrds
99 Td’s
yeah D-LF I could live with that!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Hey OAKlifer:
I’ll just settle for 10 DHB touchdown catches this year(I’m not asking for much!)
August 10th, 2009 at 6:40 am
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August 10th, 2009 at 6:42 am
“IF DHB PUT’S UP 1/2 OF RICE’S CAREER #’S …..”
Sheet Tbone I’ll take ten this year too heck I’d take 6 or 7 we were dreamin of faaaarrrr down the road and we could only hope our young superstar is half as good as Rice!!! (I hope he is equal to or better kinda biased)
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:42 am
OAKlifer,
On the previous post I noted how cool it was for the future of the franchise (DHB/Southwick) to get some time together and develop a relationship.
All goin’ according to plan…
August 10th, 2009 at 6:46 am
At least the boot is off. I hope he is as tough as he is fast…wait, I hope that doesn’t slow him down…
August 10th, 2009 at 6:51 am
WILL HE REMIND US ALL OF JERRY RICE, OR JESSIE HESTER…ONLY TIME WILL TELL
August 10th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Good Morning Dirt Lot,
If he learns to consistently catch the ball and gets in sync with Russell, he should remind us of Jerry Rice.
August 10th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Must be a busy Monday!!! It’s all but empty in here!!!
C. Johnson Better get ready to go quick he NEEDS reps!!!
I love the Bush Quote talking about 2 1000 yrd backs and everyone wanting to start!!! Gotta LOVE IT!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:00 am
I hope he turns out to be a combination of Freddy Biletnikoff hands, Timmy Brown route-running and James Jett speed.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Can anyone tell me why the hell John Bowie is still on our roster?!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:04 am
His big brother David is in the good ol boy network…and he produced stardust …(I think)
August 10th, 2009 at 7:10 am
AZ!!!!!!!
MY cup is empty BRO!!!
9-7
Henderson to the probowl!!!
Javon come back player of the year!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!1
COME RISE WITH US!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Can anyone tell me why the hell John Bowie is still on our roster?!
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Because we only have 3 good CBs…
August 10th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Jerry Rice dropped a ton of passes his rookie year, his media name was Jerry Risk. They laughed at him for a year and a half. DHB’s work ethic is Jerry Ricesgue and if he continues working at his game his entire career the way Rice did he could have some great #’s due to fact that his career could run concurrent with Russell’s. That’s the single biggest factor for both men.
Jerry to be overly consumed with Russell’s weight as he calls the coaches responses ‘The company line’. Well let me try to explain it to you Jerry. The owner, the coaches and the Oakland Raiders players have never had an issue with Russell as far as his weight is concerned. I’ve read several quotes by teammates, coaches, players and onlooking ex-players and the next time I read someone, anyone mention Russell has a weight problem it will be the first………..period
Many have said his the largest QB they’ve ever seen. They same is true with me I’ve never seen a QB that big, but I said that the first time I saw him. Not that he was FAT he was just HUGE in stature. His body type makes it very difficult for him to EVER look slim. The things I’ve read about Russell were taking the game seriously as Nnamdi has said as well as others, watching film. Doing everything it takes to prepare to be a leader which Cable says comes natural for him.
When Kiffin(I believe) put that crap out about him being 300+ lbs. Which obviously was a lie(he reported at 272 2 weeks later) It has never been a concern of the Organization. Russell needs to prepare mentally and responsibly, his coming in at top condition is no more important than any other NFL starting QB. As long as he’s 10 lbs. within playing weight coming into camp he’s fine. And that why you get this company line. It’s not a concern. RB’s, TE’s, DB’s, WR’s, LB’s need to be in the best conditon possible after that Dline and next Oline good condition the least of them all is the QB. His biggest concern should always be FILM study day in day out………..period if he’s 10-15 lbs over weight. Who cares except a damn fool who simply doesn’t understand how this game is played.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:20 am
No QB in the NFL is more scrutinized over their weight than Russell, who’s actually never had an issue with his weight. I don’t care about his weight in MAY I care about his CONDITIONING in SEPTEMBER. And it’s never been an issue thus far.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:22 am
BOARD!!!!!!!CRICKETSzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
POST OF THE NIGHT LAST NIGHT!!!!!!
Kush Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:57 am
What disgusts me is the blatant hypocrisy from some of these dimwits that post here. According to them Al Davis doesn’t have an eye for talent, the game has passed him by, he’s senile, doesn’t know what he’s doing, everyone on his staff is a puppet, blah, blah, blah.
But for some strange reason, even though Al Davis is a blundering, control freak who controls every last detail on the Raiders, when it comes to the special, talented players the Raiders have, ie,
Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller, Michael Bush, Darren Mcfadden, Mario Henderson, Thomas Howard, Trevor Scott, Chaz Schillens, Johnnie Lee, Shane Lechler, and Justin Miller on special teams,
all of a sudden these halfwits flip the script, and somehow try to claim that these players WEREN’T AL DAVIS PICKS!! SMHLMFAO.
I can respect a person’s opinion even if it may be different than mine, but hypocrisy and blatant lies are things I can not tolerate.
If Al davis makes all decisions, then that means that he obviously still has a good eye for talent. If Al Davis didn’t select all of those players, then that means that he’s not as controlling meddling as alot of you claim he is. Which one is it then? Make up your freaking minds. Pathetic.
Kush,
even tho you prob wont see tis way to fend off the trolls with a valid arugement often times that is all that is needed!!!!!
HATS OFF TO YOU GOOD SIR!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Priest,
What I worry about is if the kid will ever be able to audible effectively. We’ve seen no evidence of it yet, so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Jamarcus is much the same size as Daunte Culpepper and I never heard many comments about his weight, only that he was a very large and formidable quarterback — plus, he put up some huge numbers with his receiving corps, particularly in the 1998-99 stretch. Maybe if the numbers go up for Jamarcus, the many critics will begin to back away.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:28 am
I agree with Kush’s post. There’s always going to be some form of hypocrisy in here. Sometimes I laugh at it, sometimes I ignore it, but most times I won’t waste my time. That is why I love the AM.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:28 am
yep…put up and they will shut-up
August 10th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Priest,
What I worry about is if the kid will ever be able to audible effectively. We’ve seen no evidence of it yet, so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.
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What makes you think he can’t audible effectively? The kid is just now receiving credible NFL coaching.
Let’s just watch the kid play this year before we turn to another reject veteran Quarterback!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Hey, I’m just curious — has anyone been tracking the progress of Tommy Kelly this year? I heard him on the Raiders’ “Behind The Shield” segment and he sounded like he was on drugs. I am counting on the fact that he has at least a decent year this year. If he (along with Sands and Warren) doesn’t really pony-up this year, we’re screwed!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:34 am
I mean….Andrew Walter looked clueless…hapless…incompetent etc…when he was playing behind the worst offensive line coupled with the worst coaching in NFL history.
Yet Belicheck jumped up and picked him up. I bet you that if the Raiders were to give up on Russell…and go to some reject, busted, no-winning veteran QB…another team would jump up and pick Russell in a heartbeat.
The reason a lot of ex-Raiders immediately find a home is because the Raiders have been among the worst teams in pro-sports to develop its own talent. A result of Davis’ recent inability to find qualified coaching.
Russell is a work in progress guys. Geez
August 10th, 2009 at 7:40 am
so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.
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Wow! His brain, huh? I wonder what makes you say that?
JRuss will be fine. I think his wonderlic score should have out an end to the dumb country boy stereotype, but I guess not.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:41 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Priest,
What I worry about is if the kid will ever be able to audible effectively. We’ve seen no evidence of it yet, so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.
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What makes you think he can’t audible effectively? The kid is just now receiving credible NFL coaching.
Let’s just watch the kid play this year before we turn to another reject veteran Quarterback!
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What makes me think so? He hasn’t done it yet, and there have been murmurs of disappointment about his classroom “commitment”. If he doesn’t learn how to diagnose defenses and change plays accordingly, his physical talent will never turn into trophies.
Still, I am far from giving up on him. He is getting coached from proven experts and I am anxious to see how well he learns.
So its on JRUSS now. Ir we don’t see him changing plays it won’t be the coaches fault anymore. We’ll have to admit he doesn’t know how.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:42 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:28 am
“but most times I won’t waste my time. That is why I love the AM.”
AMEN brother!!!!!! little kool aid and real raider talk never hurt anybody!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Heres a comment posted too quickly **** YOU!!!!
I hate this ****in thing since the change over a whiole back. what the hell?!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Read on raider Nation Station their was no way Oakland would take a WR with teh 7th over all. The first clue was SanJay Lal. what kind of organization would take a wide that high and turn him over to a complete novice?
The Raiders, thats who…
Hope Lal does a good job!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:45 am
WHEN U GET THE POSTING TOO FAST COMMENT, JUST WAIT A SECOND AND PRESS F5 OR THE REFRESH BUTTON.
YOU WONT LOSE YOUR POST!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:46 am
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:40 am
so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.
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Wow! His brain, huh? I wonder what makes you say that?
JRuss will be fine. I think his wonderlic score should have out an end to the dumb country boy stereotype, but I guess not.
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I meant his football brain. The one a QB uses to spot defensive weaknesses. I
know the kid isn’t all-around stupid, he just hasn’t (yet) shown he has an all-pro IQ to match the all-pro arm.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am
NATION, What is UP??????????????
The question about JRUSS being “cerebral enough” to handle the QB spot “was” a valid one IMHO.
Going in that was one of the questions I had about him as well. I do however beleive that he can and will get it done with coaching…. And yes he is cerebral enough.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Terry Bradshaw has to be one of the dumbest people besides Emmit Smith to ever strap it up dnt get me wrong like and respect both dudes but just listen to them talk for 2 mins you become stupider…..That said and correct me if Im wrong didnt they both win superbowls…maybe even suberbowl mvp’s…. and arnt they both in HOF…..just sayin its all about what you do come Sunday morning, Thrusday night, or when ever the hell the whistle blows if your a leader and yu can lead you r men it will show!!!! who gives a sheet what you sound like or waer in public?!?!?!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Oh ok, thanks JHill. That happened to me on Friday and I just signed out…
August 10th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Yawn…. Dang, I can’t wake up. Probably because I had the weekend off, work today, then another day off tomorrow. What a waste of the day it will be today.
In other events:
WHAT UP NATION!
Everyone got their cups out, cause I’m serving a fresh batch this morning!
CONGRATS TO ROD WOODSON! The HOF inducts IMO the best defensive player ever to play the game. Thank you Rod for your short but sweet stay with the Silver & Black. You will (as I’m sure with the rest of the teams you played for) always be a Raider in the Nations eye.
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
GALLERY TO THE PROBOWL!
53 MEN AND COUTLESS FANS COMMITTED TO ONE PURPOSE!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
DRINK UP NATION!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Being great at reads, comes from what, coaching, instincts, film, football IQ, atheletic ability, wonderlic score, the height and weight propotions of the QB????
August 10th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:41 am
What makes me think so? He hasn’t done it yet, and there have been murmurs of disappointment about his classroom “commitment”. If he doesn’t learn how to diagnose defenses and change plays accordingly, his physical talent will never turn into trophies.
Still, I am far from giving up on him. He is getting coached from proven experts and I am anxious to see how well he learns.
So its on JRUSS now. Ir we don’t see him changing plays it won’t be the coaches fault anymore. We’ll have to admit he doesn’t know how.
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BSJ,
JaMarcus Russell lives in the Oakland area. He has been in all the offseason programs, QB schools and has been in the building from all reports. Those murmurs of “classroom commitment” come from where? The coaches were not allowed to talk to the press until recently and no players said that.
What you probably did was infer from Cable’s statement back in January or February where he said Russell has to embrace the job. Learn how to be an NFL QB. Nowhere did Cable say that Russell’s classroom commitment has been suspect.
The rest of your post can be applied to any QB. Will they grow and develop. Will they learn to read NFL defenses….Can they lead the team in the long-haul.
That’s not unique to Russell by any stretch.
Young QBs take time to develop. Especially QBs on teams that just changed coaches, playcallers and had the worst Left Tackle in NFL history!
http://web.splashcast.net/web_watch/?episodes=2006+Kwame+and+Derek+Episode+Player&code=ZHAC9804LJ
August 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
lefty12 Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
whatever happened to Lofton?is he still on the payroll?if so,in what capacity?does anyone know?
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last i heard he was opening gates and checking people in at the facility….
August 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
I was gonna sat that the “Official Kool-Aid vendor” had not arrived yet. Az good morning Bro. Could you do me a favor and serve up tall glasses for the AM crew????
August 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
It is what it is folks …
We all know the situation the offense went through last year with Kiffin, 3 play callers, and Kwame … as a first year starter, and his brain gets questioned? Despite the way he played to end the season? Commitment to the weight room? Ok, I see that. But his mental compacity to play the position? Cmon!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:53 am
SnB, it’s the same thing they were saying about black QB’s 40 years ago…………..and they’re still saying it.
August 10th, 2009 at 7:53 am
murmur…now thats a funny word =)
August 10th, 2009 at 7:54 am
I’m ahead of you Thec, everyone has got a cup already, but here is yours!
9-7!
CHARGERS REIN IN THE AFC WEST ENDS SEPT 14TH 2009!
53 MEN AND COUTLESS FANS COMMITTED TO ONE PURPOSE!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
YUM YUM, DRINK DRINK!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:55 am
The NATION should drink the Kool_Aid even before coffee….
August 10th, 2009 at 7:57 am
and wholla the rest of the crew minus Double R, Dakota, and O
Whats up fellas morning AZ, thec, 4eva, priest, jhill and the rest!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:00 am
The Raiders surrounded Russell with good coaching. Paul Hackett is credited with salvaging Rich Gannon’s career and helping turn Pennington into the QB he is today.
Russell is going to have a solid year this year. The coaches are going to throw the ball more. The receivers are better, the running backs are healthy and Kwame Harris is gone.
Yet you guys talk about cerebral b.s or IQ. What do any of you really know about playing quarterback in the NFL? I’ll let the play speak for itself and leave the speculation and wonder to you bloggers!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
OAKlifer, what up Bro???????
Presea is upon us……
I wish it was thurs right now……
DHB should get a couple of serires in. He said it wasnt
turf toe, and they were taking precautions….
August 10th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Bo, Russell hasn’t audibled yet, now who’s brain is in question?
Russell played 16 games and hasn’t audibled?????
Someone has no clus what he’s looking at!!
Bo Russell audbibled in his first EVER start in this league agaisnt the Chargers. I can’t believe just how ignorant some fans are. Anyone with half a brain should know you can’t get through a football SEASON let alone a game without the ability to audible.
You can’t get the starting job if you can’t audible……that’s just silly.
Everyone move on! nothing to see here!!! just more buffoonery.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:04 am
I cant wait either OAKlifer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man I’m SOOOOOOOOOOOOO stocked OO IS FINE!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:04 am
STOOOOOKED SORRY!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:08 am
I couldnt have picked a better backfield:
OO and Dmac
GREAT JOB BIG AL,THANKX BRO!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I’m not as pumped as I should be about this week as I will not be able to watch the game until 11:00pm and thurday night when NFLN replays it. Can’t believe with all the Cowboy fans in Arizona the live game isn’t being broadcast on local channels
.
BUT, it will be cool to watch the younginns get some reps, flying around and trying hard to get that spot on the roster. The regular season is coming up quick! Can’t wait till next month!
9-7!
DRINK UP!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:10 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 8:00 am
The Raiders surrounded Russell with good coaching. Paul Hackett is credited with salvaging Rich Gannon’s career and helping turn Pennington into the QB he is today.
Russell is going to have a solid year this year. The coaches are going to throw the ball more. The receivers are better, the running backs are healthy and Kwame Harris is gone.
Yet you guys talk about cerebral b.s or IQ. What do any of you really know about playing quarterback in the NFL? I’ll let the play speak for itself and leave the speculation and wonder to you bloggers!
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Since you used a term I used “cerebral”
I would only assume you are talking to or at me so.
If you have more information on what it takes to be a QB, and you are “blogger” just like the rest ROFLMAO,
could you please enlighten us?
What I know about football, or specifically QB is that
it is the toughest postion in ALL of sports. 2-3 secs
to make a good decision while processing reams of info while trying to avoid getting your head caved in…….
So knowing that does a QB have to be cerebal?
Which makes your comment about cerebral being bs
sort of ridiculous……
August 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Enough with JR’s weight…it’s the media again going after the Raiders.
Really, is Big Ben any different ( except for 2 SB’s )
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Height: 6-5
• Weight: 241
• JaMarcus Russell
• Height: 6-6
• Weight: 260
Ben isn’t asked to be the next mobile QB, nor should JR.
Big QB’s can win with the weight…when was the last truly mobile QB to win the SB??? Perhaps Steve Young…that’s it folks.
Geez..Elway was at 6-3 215lbs….
Sure, JR’s sweet spot may be at 250lbs…but I’m not certain that body weight will define his career….
…the weight between his ears, and the weight of his heart will define his career.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Thec07 you know what bothers me about the cerebral question? Is that, that question NEVER comes up with white QB’s even when it is obvious that they are not cerebral enough to play the position. Remember Jim Drunkenmiller? Carmazzi? even our own Billy Joe Hobart?
You could’ve came to that same conclusion about anyone of them. The sonclusion is always they weren’t talented enough.
But with black QB’s it’s always he’s not smart enough. What the hell is that?? is he cerebral enough?? where does that come from? how would you asses wether he’s cerebral enough? why didn’t that same questin come up with Walter? And Tuiososopo even?
It only comes up with the black QB’s and that my friend is what fries my ass. They’re not smart enough it is an old stereotype that is obviously alive and well.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Since you used a term I used “cerebral”
I would only assume you are talking to or at me so.
If you have more information on what it takes to be a QB, and you are “blogger” just like the rest ROFLMAO,
could you please enlighten us?
What I know about football, or specifically QB is that
it is the toughest postion in ALL of sports. 2-3 secs
to make a good decision while processing reams of info while trying to avoid getting your head caved in…….
So knowing that does a QB have to be cerebal?
Which makes your comment about cerebral being bs
sort of ridiculous……
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No, wasn’t directed at you at all. Apologies if it came across that way.
My issue is the undertones of questioning Russell’s mental capacity. Does anyone question Brady Quinn’s mental capacity? He has worse statistics than Russell and hasn’t seen the field. My concern Thec, is that people are assuming Russell is stupid because of his race or his regional roots (Southern). That to me is the bottom line.
What has he done to suggest he has limited IQ?
August 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Everyone move on! nothing to see here!!!
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That was actually pretty funny!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Here is an example of the “classroom challenged” QB conducting an audible. You may want to listen to the commentary.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b05124/Michael-Bush-Highlight-WK-03-vs-Bills-2008
August 10th, 2009 at 8:24 am
When Big Ben took the Steelers down field to win that game called the Super Bowl he did so with the same gut he had before the game.
Has anyone ever asked the HC of the Steelers is their QB in top shape? And I’ll estimate that Ben is easily 260-270 lbs.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:29 am
No one asks if Matt Lienart or Alex Smith is “cerebral” enough and it’s clear that both of those qb’s suck. Yes stereotypes are alive and well.
I remember when Doug Williams torched John Elway and the Broncos and the media was all up geeked up and flabbergasted because a black QB outplayed the great John Elway. It’s quite sad actually that he was applauded not because he had an outstanding game, but because he was a BLACK QB and had an outstanding game.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:31 am
SnB, the perception that the media has put on Russell is what the fools are reiterating. That he’s dumb, overweight and aloof. That’s what they want the fans to believe and some of sadly enough acxtually believe it. That a starting QB in the NFL can’t audible. That beats all I’ve ever heard.
But that video wont change their minds, truth be told they don’t want him as their QB. He simply doesn’t look the part. They will always find another reason not to like him…………period
August 10th, 2009 at 8:31 am
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey fought off an illegal bump and made a catch on a crossing route that was flagged by officials at practice as a defensive foul.
– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland made a diving catch in front of Stanford Routt and added a 50-yard over-the-shoulder grab from Bruc eGradkowski over Justin Miller. Holland also drove Darrick Brown 10 yards back with a downfield block.
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Heyward-Bey starting to turn some heads. Holland for the 6th WR spot!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Good Morning AM Crew, Gents, and Nation.
the more I read about Cable and what’s he doing with the team, the more I like him. I’m very excited to see what the new staff can do. The last time I was excited about our coaches was 6/7 years ago.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
REPOST:
Terry Bradshaw has to be one of the dumbest people besides Emmit Smith to ever strap it up dnt get me wrong like and respect both dudes but just listen to them talk for 2 mins you become stupider…..That said and correct me if Im wrong didnt they both win superbowls…maybe even suberbowl mvp’s…. and arnt they both in HOF…..just sayin its all about what you do come Sunday morning, Thrusday night, or when ever the hell the whistle blows if your a leader and yu can lead you r men it will show!!!! who gives a sheet what you sound like or waer in public?!?!?!
if you win you could be 4′10 325 its all abou the hardware ask these two and above mentioned big ben
August 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
tonyfromnb Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Enough with JR’s weight…it’s the media again going after the Raiders.
Really, is Big Ben any different ( except for 2 SB’s )
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Height: 6-5
• Weight: 241
• JaMarcus Russell
• Height: 6-6
• Weight: 260
Ben isn’t asked to be the next mobile QB, nor should JR.
Big QB’s can win with the weight…when was the last truly mobile QB to win the SB??? Perhaps Steve Young…that’s it folks.
Geez..Elway was at 6-3 215lbs….
Sure, JR’s sweet spot may be at 250lbs…but I’m not certain that body weight will define his career….
…the weight between his ears, and the weight of his heart will define his career.
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I always thought the Raiders should model themselves after the current Steelers team. Russell needs to toughen up though if we want to compare him to Ben. Ben is a tough SOB, where Russell has fallen like a sack of potatoes if he gets hit in the pocket. We have backs just as talented, and IMO now a group of recievers that can be just as effective, they are a smash-mouth run first team, with a Rocket Arm QB. Obviously thier defense is leaps and bounds better than ours at the moment, but the next couple drafts should remedy that.
My point:
As much as I am a Pro-Russell fan, he is still developing and IMO toughness is something he’ll have to work on before we can compare him to Big Ben. I think he’ll get there, and I think we will see alot this season to prove he is on the right track.
9-7!
53 MEN, COUNTLESS FANS, ONE PURPOSE!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
DRINK IT!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:36 am
BHP, I had that question about him coming out of college before he was drafted by the NATION.
Its got nothing to do with him being black, or from the south which is just another dig. I would acknowledge that some GM’s, media, rush slimebaugh types have this opinion, but its just that an opinion.
BHP, it burns me too that Race is still an issue, but
As far as what you are insinuating towards me about, you have no idea who/or what i am.
I watched a lot of SEC football, CBS forces it on you how was his decision making in college. He is still young his age, for starters.
I would be a fool to buy into any stereotype about race
considering I am an American who’s decendant from africa.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Hey Morning Kush you WIN!!!!
POST 48
August 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Tollner on Russell:
“Where I’ve seen a lot of growth at this point is he’s getting confidence that people will be where they belong and the ball’s coming out faster.”
– Ricky Brown worked at first team middle linebacker with Kirk Morrison running second team..
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the Raiders are BACK!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
To some extent a QB has to be “cerebrel” but 2me the defining “thing” of a QB is having the ability,with-out seeing him,to know exactly where the closest defender is at,you know like 360 degree eye-sight.Montana and Stabler had this ability and I cant think of ANY others,imo
August 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
If we can have stability, This team can be great, and can win a SB. Not now, but maybe in a few years.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Morning O, Double R!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Kush Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:57 am
I can respect a person’s opinion even if it may be different than mine, but hypocrisy and blatant lies are things I can not tolerate.
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Great post from last night…The only thing I would add is that I CAN’T respect a person’s opinion if it is built on hypocrisy and blatant lies…see MR
The Real MaddenRaider says:
“Madden thinks the same of Davis as I do.”
The Real John Madden says:
“He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. Al Davis is a friend, always has been a friend. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.”
August 10th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Thanks OAklifer.
Good morning to you to. Like I said I welcome a good intelligent debate any day. But some people come on here just to cause drama.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:40 am
The Raiders don’t have to do anything but continue working hard in training camp and practicing for the season. Trust in their system.
BTW, the passing game is as much about the receivers as it is the QB. You all should read the Ted Tollner interview. He talks about how receivers and QBs have to establish trust. He talks a lot about the QB getting the ball out on time AND the receivers getting to the spot on time. When you see an errant throw…it could be Russell misfiring…but it could also be the receiver not getting to where he is supposed to be.
Establishing that trust and rapport and coordination takes time. That’s why it takes time for a young QB to develop….especially with young wide receivers.
Let’s spare the stuff like “can’t audible” and give this YOUNG offense a chance to be great
August 10th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Heyward-Bey, although suited up, did not participate in team sessions and worked on a separate field doing hands drills with intern/quarterback Danny Southwick.
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uh oh. Danny Southwick building chemistry with Heyward-Bey
BSJ: how close is D-Smooth to claiming a roster spot?
August 10th, 2009 at 8:42 am
If you all can recall JaMarcus’ college career: first of all, he usually got dependable protection from his blindside; then, the coaching staff usually did a masterful job playing to their strengths as well as game-planning against their opposition. Whenever JR got pressure, he could rely on his feet — his blockers were big enough and quick enough to help open a few lanes. Also, his receivers were really good on come-back routes; he didn’t have to do a whole lot of check-downs. He doesn’t have any of that now — I am hoping the game-planning will be better and that more than just one receiver (Z. Miller) will come back for the ball this year. Yes, JR still has to do HIS job in mastering the check-downs, but I honestly believe that the rest of it is simply what happens when you put a gifted athlete into a crappy system, BC (before Cable) … I think the jury is still out on the coach; willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Priest,
What I worry about is if the kid will ever be able to audible effectively. We’ve seen no evidence of it yet, so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.
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BSJ,
Any comments on this video of Russell in game action?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b05124/Michael-Bush-Highlight-WK-03-vs-Bills-2008
August 10th, 2009 at 8:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Tollner on Russell:
“Where I’ve seen a lot of growth at this point is he’s getting confidence that people will be where they belong and the ball’s coming out faster.”
– Ricky Brown worked at first team middle linebacker with Kirk Morrison running second team..
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the Raiders are BACK!!!
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Haha, Herm Edwards thinks so LOL…
August 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am
you have 2 feel it baby!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Jamarcus Russell needs to improve and continue to work hard and be a leader and all that good stuff no. There is no argument from me there. And I think that he is doing that and will continue to do so.
But here’s some interesting stats to look at. Jamarcus Russell in essentially his rookie year as a starter last season, with Kwame Harris protecting him, and no receivers to throw it to and inconsistent coaching had
13 TD’s and a QB rating of 77.1
The Superbowl champ Big Ben Roethlisberger had 17 TD’s and a QB rating of 80.1.
So JMac’s and Big Ben’s TD count and QB rating were almost comparable. I think when you look at those facts, it’s not hard to see that Jamarcus is alot better than people are giving him credit for. With good coaching and playcalling he will end up being one of the REALLY GOOD QB’s in this league.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Herm Edwards is a fool, and so is Matt Millen. It’s a wonder that either of these two actually get paid to espouse their so-called football knowledge. I laugh every time I hear Herm’s quote: “YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!” Okay, Captain Obvious, got any more words of wisdom for us?
August 10th, 2009 at 8:49 am
– Impressive play in coverage drills between running backs and linebackers _ Oren O’Neal made an inside fake on a pass rout that flummoxed Kirk Morrison to the point where O’Neal made the catch with Morrison a good seven yards away. Caught it away from his body, as smooth as Jon Ritchie, too.
– Strong safety Mike Mitchell slapped himself in the helmet and uttered an expletive on a play in which John Paul Foschi broke five yards into the clear in the flat and caught a pass for a gain. Mitchell, an impressive physical specimen, is struggling in coverage and spending a lot of time talking to defensive backs coach Lionel Washington.
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WOW. Mitchell & Morrison really need to step it up if they are defensive starters getting schooled in coverage by backup FB’s !
August 10th, 2009 at 8:49 am
111 – and protection!
I think if you give J Russ a little bit of time (particularly with a couple of speedy receivers), it could be lights out for the Donkeys, Dolts and Squaws!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:52 am
We may now be getting a glimpse as to why Mike Mitchell signed his deal so quickly!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am
it could be lights out for the Donkeys, Dolts and Squaws!
I love the word Squaws ” means ol indian wh@re” LOL and it always reminds me of this fed up j/k my uncle would tell that enened in Deer run to fast tail to high!!! LOL gotta love indians!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am
SNB, Apology accepted BRO, no harm no foul.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:57 am
We may now be getting a glimpse as to why Mike Mitchell signed his deal so quickly!
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M&M will be fine he was knowin for being physical and laying the hammer not his coverage skills he will have to work on a few things bfore he becomes the next great Raider safty this in time will to pass he will be just fine!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Thec07, I’m not at all calling you or anyone else in here a racist. What I’m pointing out is thatwhat you hear from people in the media colors your opinions wether you agree or not. When you hear everytime someone talks about Russell are comittment issues and Kiffin saying he needs to learn the playbook. And the cnstant insenuations that he is struggling with the offense. You can’t help but think that some of that has to be true.
I watched Russell play in the SEC enough to know what type of QB he is. And I’ll tell you hands down I prefer his decision making over Staffords and Quinns and Leinert’s.
I will tell you my opinion of Russell since the very first time I ever saw him play. That he is a big play QB, not a completion% machine or a check passer. he is what I saw in Jim Plunkett and John Elway. Playmakers and winners. He is not going to be IMO a great high % passer. He is going to make enough throws to make an offense effective and then he’s going to make plays that only HE can make. They will come when the game is on the line to WIN. That’s what I’ve seen from him and his ability run which has not been evident thus far. Russell is a very decieving athlete wh will make some key runs when you need them. And some of the most dynamic throws you’ll ever see.
That’s what I saw and that’s what I expect from his career. A bigplay QB who get’s it done in crunch time.
I saw Staffrod play in college and in most situations I was not overly impressed. He has some great ability but when the game was on the line he wasn’t at his best, I saw the same thing with Brady Quinn.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am
I’m really concerned about Mitchell. I think his big hitting mentality is going to cost us a few times each game in a big way. Teams will be able to use his thirst for the big hit against him. He better really learn how to “let it come to him”, ya know?
August 10th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Morning Rockstar…
Now just hold on a minute!!!OO just may B our starting FB. =)
August 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I have to agree with your take on Millen and Herm. Not really the two references I would be looking for?
August 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Tbone: everybody wants a nickname for Mike Mitchell … I don’t understand it
I think they’ll change his number from 34 to 36 and call him “Gibson” unless he proves otherwise
Tyvon Branch, a corner in college, 4th round pick, ST gunner, finished the season on IR is ahead of him on the depth chart at SS right now and has the inside track for that job. doesn’t sound promising for the rook as of today
August 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Mornin, eva, Jhill, BHP, Oak, Thec, RR, AX, SNB, NATION
Lal: Not for me personally. I just take it as I’m privileged to have this job. I told Coach Cable and Coach Davis that ‘You’ve given me my dream job and I will coach every day with that attitude.’ It’s like a gift to me to have these young guys to mold.
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“Coach”
August 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am
The Blog is fired up today and thats good…….
My opinion is that we have our QB for the next 10
years and with this young group of players as they
grow, mature, and get better we should win a couple
of SB’s easy…….
August 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am
DOUBLE R!!!!!!!!!!1
This will be seven Hail Mary’s!!!!
“I think they’ll change his number from 34 to 36 and call him “Gibson” unless he proves otherwise”
August 10th, 2009 at 9:04 am
anybody watch the Titans/Bills game last night?
Titans DB Donnie Nickey leveled a Bills backup TE. 15 yard penalty. head hunting is now outlawed in the NFL
the days of Tatum & Lott are gone, unfortunately
Mike Mitchell better have some cover skills. otherwise a smarter investment would have been S Roy Williams in free agency and drafted DT Ron Brace …
August 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I agree that Jamarcus is taking way too much crap for a kid that handled everything thrown at him last year.
On his weight I would only give this advice:
Big guys ankles and knees take a severe pounding and any excess weight that you carry around will make it worse.
If you are that big to begin with then it is something that you should take extra care with if only to prolong your career.
I have never seen a QB of his size that moves like him so I cannot tell you what kind of injury risks he will face, but packing the extra weight is not a benefit to him.
But he’s a kid, and when I was his age I was invincible and I could eat and drink anything I wanted and still perform.
Now I take more care.
Part of growing up.
I hope someone is consulting him on the risks
August 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Mitchell will be fine!! He can learn, and he has the speed to cover.
OAK,
My Brother from another mother. Listen to uprising by Muse.
We will be victorious!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am
The Blog is fired up today and thats good…….
My opinion is that we have our QB for the next 10
years and with this young group of players as they
grow, mature, and get better we should win a couple
of SB’s easy…….
as someone said earlier DHB will benifit from his career mirroring Jruss’s we have alot of youngsters to grow in to men and lead us to the promise land!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am
You guys have to cut Mitchell a break. The kid missed most of the OTAs due to b.s rules. He’s learning to play NFL safety…somewhat of a jump from Ohio U.
The Raiders will bring the kid along and not overwhelm him. Plus, he is probably the most physical player on the defense.
He will be alright….In the meantime guys like Huff, Eugene and Branch have their opportunity to shine.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:09 am
# raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Hey, I’m just curious — has anyone been tracking the progress of Tommy Kelly this year? I heard him on the Raiders’ “Behind The Shield” segment and he sounded like he was on drugs. I am counting on the fact that he has at least a decent year this year. If he (along with Sands and Warren) doesn’t really pony-up this year, we’re screwed!
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yea i saw it and he was just as i expected him to be. he is not the most ariculate and he knows this and thats why he never talked to the media until now you know. maybe being right about sensing comments like yours coming his way once he openes up, idk.
but remember the great Lester Hayes also had a problems talking, communicating and it didnt keep him from playing ok and being a good father/husband/son/citizen…
and like Trevor Scott stated in todays Behind the Shield if you cared to watch, you have to be yourself to succeed and not pretend to be something you are not. i like that concept. cause now you can concentrate on what you need to do on the field, not who you are off of it.
no offense tbone, jus wanted to defend a man for overcoming his inner fears using your post lol. he might unleash the beast that is in all of us.
YOU KNOW!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:09 am
OAKlifer Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am
DOUBLE R!!!!!!!!!!1
This will be seven Hail Mary’s!!!!
“I think they’ll change his number from 34 to 36 and call him “Gibson” unless he proves otherwise”
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C’mon Rockstar, we all said we KNEW he’d need to work on his coverage skills. Besides if we are The Raiders he’ll be in the box anyway LOL, and that’s where he’s going to do the most damage!
RIP THEIR FYCKING HEADS OFF “MAD MIKE”!
I’m not worried, he’s a rookie!
9-7!
DRINK IT!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Russell’s 2 biggest improvements this offseason:
1. confidence in his WR’s
2. getting the ball out quicker
I was hoping for better pocket awareness & footwork, but I’ll take what I can get
Funny, nobody metioned consistancy or accuracy either … yowsa!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Mike Mitchell better have some cover skills. otherwise a smarter investment would have been S Roy Williams in free agency and drafted DT Ron Brace …
M&M and R will are the same players almost niether can cover and both like to lay wood that leads to penalties.. But drafting Ron Brace now were talking S&B and Dakota had me so jucied upo on this guy heck I would have used a first rounder on the kid!!!
O,
Thanks man Muse is great been listening since your great advise!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
we all said we KNEW he’d need to work on his coverage skills. Besides if we are The Raiders he’ll be in the box anyway LOL, and that’s where he’s going to do the most damage!
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very true AZ! LOL. Mitchell = 4th LB. He’ll probably finish second on the team in tackles behind Ricky Brown
August 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Yeah, that penalty for the hit in Center Field bothered me. It’s the type of hit Mitchell is looking to unleash on the NFL, but he’ll have to work on his accuracy if he’s gonna help us and not hurt us.
KEEP THOSE HITS BELOW THE CHIN MIKE! AIM FOR DA BALL BABY!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Rockstar,
Good day to you. Russell is a work in progress. Cable talked about building Russell up from the ground floor. Focusing on the very basics and moving from there. Reading the Tollner interview, seems like most of the focus is on developing rhythm and confidence between the QB and the WR.
That’s the 1st half of the battle. I think they will knock out the other stuff as time goes on
August 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am
MIKE MITCHELL = The GEM of the draft……………
August 10th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I seen the Nickey hit and thought the same thing RR.
Any hit to the head this year doesn’t have to be head to head.
Any “vunrable receiver” ……very subjective.
That means any receiver not wearing a black uniform.
Receivers are going to start dropping their heads on soft contact and faking head hits.
I predict that you are going to see “floppers” in the NFL this year and it may end up being the worst change to the game in years.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:17 am
O, you a Muse fan? I’m a huge Muse fan!
Right on bro~
August 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Mike MITCHELL > bob sanders.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Thats right…. The dreaded “flop”…. Yeah, it’ll happen and Hines Ward will have perfected it by week 5…
August 10th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Jr’s #’s are comparable to Elway’s as well in the first 2 years…the key year for Elway was the 3rd…I consider JR to be in his true 2nd year as a full-time QB in ‘09… it’s not a make or break year, but improvement is a must.
Really, is the media going to tell us that Brad Johnson & Trent Dilfer are better QB’s than JR??
B.S. folks…..get an O-Line that buys you an extra second and voila…you win the SB.
ps: I could have added Brady to that group as well.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Good day S&B. Agreed. Russell is a work in progress. I’m glad he’s getting the ball out quicker, because with Cornell Green & Cooper Carlisle starting on the right side of the line we’re less than spectacular in pass protection there. Russell can’t afford to survey the field and glance at every WR. most of the time it’ll be … HERE COMES THE DL, THROW IT TO MILLER OR MCFADDEN! i’m glad they’ve been working on check downs this offseason. less drops & good route runners from the WR corps surely can’t hurt Russell’s chances of success or progression either. I just don’t want to see the man have no idea when a DL busts up a play behind the LOS and strips the ball away from him
August 10th, 2009 at 9:24 am
# Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Mike MITCHELL > bob sanders.
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I can just see next year’s commercial now on the NFL network: At HIS camp, Raiders defensive back Mike Mithcell taught me how to run fast, hit hard and believe in my ability to send opposing receivers to the hospital:
“DIG, DIG, DIG … FINISH, FINISH, FINISH …!”
August 10th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I seen a tape of Russell in camp and I thought his footwork and back pedal had improved light years.
LSU and his HS ran a lot of shotgun and you could see he was raw last year.
Hackett has done a great job cleaning up the mechanics.
I would like more accuracy on short and medium passes.
I will give the kid credit he did not hang out his receivers last year and always gave up a ICP over having his receiver creamed.
Same as sacks he was less worried about stats and more worried about the team.
And he could easily have taken more sacks.
His forty yard sprint to make a tackle in the Tampa Bay game, said it all, saved the game in fact.
That’s how his team mates judge leadership not all this BS you read about.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am
priesttj Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:53 am
SnB, it’s the same thing they were saying about black QB’s 40 years ago…………..and they’re still saying it.
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Priest, now thats a crock of sh!t. I am asking about his ability to read defenses and audible. The reasons are as follows (note none are race related):
> Kid comes out early from college
> Kid is shy with the media
> Kid is not allowed to audible under Kiffin (is he being taught yet?)
> Kid is not allowed to audible under Cable (is he being taught yet?)
> Davis brings in TWO proven offensive coaches to help him
> Coaches are working hard with him now to learn the audible system
THUS IT IS UNKNOWN HOW WELL HE WILL PERFORM. Race has nada to do with it.
MANY young talented QBs hit the NFL and never realize their potential because they could not deal with the mental aspects of a complex postition in a complex game. Two notable Raiders come to mind in Jeff George and Todd Marinovich (granted Todd’s football IQ was the only IQ he had).
In short, it is a valid concern whether he excels at reading defenses. The only person who thinks race is a factor in whether JRUSS can audible is you, BIGOT….period.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Of course, I meant “Mitchell”. I’m usually a good speller; if I keep it up, just send me out to play with Crabtree’s cousin (ANOTHER dumbass!)
August 10th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Rockstar,
Check downs are a good thing. Take what the defense gives you. When they start focusing inside then hit them over the top.
The big play is only going to happen a few times in a game. Sustaining drives is all about chewing 4 and 5 yards a play,..whether on the ground or in the air.
I think early on we are going to see some timing issues with the receivers and the QB….but by the end of camp they should be in pretty decent shape going into the S.D game.
Plus the running backs are looking much more physical and are taking to pass blocking really well.
Just getting this team to play physical will be a big benefit.
Plus no Kwame Harris! My goodness was he bad!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I know this is against conventional wisdom but they should let the starters play just a little more in presea. that gives them more time to work out timing stuff. Not saying play them the whole game but a series
or 2 extra would be benificial.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am
AZ,
Let me know when they come to the States. We can go together!
Smoke and hear muse live!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Elway in his second year tried to take a snap from his right guard…
but Elway had tools… he had skills… and he had a coach with some patience…
Russell reminds me of Elway… a young Elway…
Kiffie’s lack of confidence in him was not helpful…
and it didn’t do Walter, Henderson, or anyone else much good either…
mor careers have been ruined by asshole coaches than by injury…
it’s really good to see Russell work through it…
Russell is a long way from being a bust…
he just needs experience and that experience will give him confidence…
’nuff said…
raider on…
August 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am
BSJ,
Any comments on this video of Russell in game action?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b05124/Michael-Bush-Highlight-WK-03-vs-Bills-2008
> Kid comes out early from college – But held out from camp. Lost the year
> Kid is shy with the media – That’s the Raiders way!
> Kid is not allowed to audible under Kiffin (is he being taught yet?) – Cause Kiffin has no clue on developing young QBs…although if you take a look at the clip above…Russell seems to be able to audible on 3rd down
> Kid is not allowed to audible under Cable (is he being taught yet?) – Hackett has been drilling the QBs on reads etc…Its in an earlier post from Jerry.
> Davis brings in TWO proven offensive coaches to help him – Hackett and Tollner are some of the most well-regarded veteran offensive coaches in the league. Raiders his a home run getting these guys. Maybe not innovative…but they understand the fundamentals
> Coaches are working hard with him now to learn the audible system – That’s what the offseason and preseason is for. The Raiders are finally acting like a normal team.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Kerry Collins would always miss high.
It’s my therory that is why Randy Moss he felt Collins was going to get him killed.
All of the other teams game plans were to try and knock Moss out of the game.
Collins just kept streching him out,and he knew he would get no help from the officials wearing the S&B.
JR misses low.
QB doesn’t look as good, but the receivers respect that.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Elway in his second year tried to take a snap from his right guard…
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frekkin Hillarious……ROFLMAO
August 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I will give the kid credit he did not hang out his receivers last year and always gave up a ICP over having his receiver creamed.
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he’s not afraid to throw in a tight double coverage situation sounds like in camp. Last year I saw many fastballs at the receiving target’s feet. If thats not considered hanging your WR’s out to dry I don’t know what is! chefs TE Tony Gonzo even commented on it. told Zach Miller to have a talk with his QB about that.
not Russell’s intention i’m sure. I expect his accuracy to improve this year. maybe not by leaps & bounds, but some. Hackett & Tollner are huge upgrades over Knapp & Defillipo in this regard. How good of a passer did Knapp make Vick? I don’t remember him being a pass first QB or having the accuracy of a Chad Pennington!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am
[...] CCT – Q&A with Sanjay Lal – Inside the Oakland Raiders [...]
August 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am
With all of our speed and power blockers how bout the Raiders use something called a “screen” play more often? What a concept.(insert sarcasm here)
August 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Davis brings in TWO proven offensive coaches to help him – Hackett and Tollner are some of the most well-regarded veteran offensive coaches in the league. Raiders his a home run getting these guys. Maybe not innovative…but they understand the fundamentals
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Good post Bro, very important point……
Tollner was the reason why Steve Young remained a QB at BYU as opposed to being converted to a DB…..
August 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Let me put it this way…what area of Jamarcus’ game needs the most improvement?
My opinion is audibles. I’ve been saying it all offseason. And I’m glad they are focusing on it, because it is an essential skill.
Race? Jesus, any young QB in his position would be learning to audible right now. And fans would be crossing their fingers.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Mornin, eva, Jhill, BHP, Oak, Thec, RR, AX, SNB, O. NATION
August 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Agreed Pete.
I think Russell is going to be more like a Brett Favre, John Elway, type QB. He will not be a prototypical WCO type QB…Russell will throw some picks…but he also has the ability to make the throws that can change a game instantly…that’s why the raiders have receivers that can fly and a good Tight End.
Coupled with a run game that will set up playaction…I’ll take Russell…
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHEN JOSH MCCOWN SHORT-ARMED THAT THROW AGAINST DENVER IN THE 2ND GAME OF 2007 IN OT.
That type of shhhhh goes away with a QB like Russell
Remember Favre against Denver two yrs ago where he hit the receiver on a bomb in overtime.
That’s what Russell brings.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Gents,
I have to get ready for school, it starts in a few weeks, and my reg date is the 12th.
I will be posting less as you can tell already due to school, but I will try to post atleast once a day.
Gotta get that edgemucation!!
lol
Later Nation, and keep it real!
Later Talking Monkeys, I will miss the shows!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Is it just me, or is anyone else amazed at what a fearless warrior Jeff Garcia has been? — fighting through those injuries so they he can participate in all the team practices? I think that, so far, he and Kwame Harris have been the most outstanding performers at Raiders camp!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Kush Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am
With all of our speed and power blockers how bout the Raiders use something called a “screen” play more often? What a concept.(insert sarcasm here)
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Agreed. I think it will be easier this year to do screens as you are going to have the corners and safties pushed back with the threat of a deep ball.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Morning Raccoon.
One More Thing!!!!!
9-7!!!! Drink the KoolAide!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:43 am
[...] CCT – Q&A with Sanjay Lal – Inside the Oakland Raiders [...]
August 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am
if Garcia makes the team…
i’m gonna start puking…
koolaid !!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am
A little testy aren’t we Bo, your quote as to his “‘BRAIN’ being more of a question mark”. What kind of comment is that? “HIS BRAIN”???!! I didn’t say that YOU did.
Then you follow it up with Kiffin not allowing him to audible then Cable? But it’s his BRAIN!!
So no I’m not the BIGOT here. I’m just checking if there is one.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Bo,
Cable has already mentioned as quoted by Jerry I think in a previous entry to this blog, that Russell was working on defensive recognition and audibles. I think heavy during the first or second week of camp.
Your right that Kiffin didn’t let Russell audible. Kiffin had no intention of developing Russell IMO anyway. But, Cable let the slack off the teather twards the end of the year. I remember specifically Russell audible on 3rd and 8 in the Tampa Game to an out route to Zach miller for a first down. Important play as we ended up scoring on that drive.
I’d expect to see a more sophisticated offense as the season goes on and Russell’s confidence grows (granted we are winning games).
August 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 6:29 am
JERRY RICE WAS VERY AVERAGE HIS FIRST YEAR,AS I RECALL.IF DHB PUT’S UP 1/2 OF RICE’S CAREER #’S …..
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Only problem is Bey can’t catch the ball, and is already on his second injury during non-contact drills in training camp. Hasn’t even been TACKLED yet.
NEVER put Bey’s name in the same sentence as Jerry Rice, except to state how one will never be confused with the other.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
So Terrell Owens caught two passes last night – big woop! Let’s review: first completion – no huddle offense caught the defense completely off-guard (no one within 10 yards of him — he’d better make that catch!); second completion – defender slips and falls – nobody around him — again, he’d better make that catch!
All-Pro in Buffalo — I’m not seein’ it!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Dirty Raccon, what up Brethren…….
Nothing BHP has ever posted would suggest to me he is a biggot…….
August 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Man, I need spell check. Should swithc to firefox….
August 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Darrius Heyward-Bey will be a better pro than Jerry Rice.
DHB can catch. He had a sore hamstring and a sore toe. big deal. He’s being held out as a precaution by the coaching staff. why are you blaming him? it’s not like he’s holding himself out! such a hater.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Hey Richochet:
How are those negotiations with your boy Crap Tree going?
August 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Only problem is Bey can’t catch the ball, and is already on his second injury during non-contact drills in training camp. Hasn’t even been TACKLED yet.
NEVER put Bey’s name in the same sentence as Jerry Rice, except to state how one will never be confused with the other.
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i’m hesitant to give medical advise…
but Midol is an effective treatment for your condition…
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Let me put it this way…what area of Jamarcus’ game needs the most improvement?
My opinion is audibles. I’ve been saying it all offseason. And I’m glad they are focusing on it, because it is an essential skill.
Race? Jesus, any young QB in his position would be learning to audible right now. And fans would be crossing their fingers.
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Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Florida Pete:
I think you’re right! Prem-syn plus works well also, I hear!
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am Remember Favre against Denver two yrs ago where he hit the receiver on a bomb in overtime.
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that was a beatifully lobbed pass that requires a lot of experience SnB. if, when Russell gets anywhere near where he can see an opening as early as on that play then its ON!
that kind of play is a year or two away imo.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Ricochet is a coward. He comes on here and talks crap about the Raiders all day, but yet he’s too embarrassed to tell us what HIS favorite football team is.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:58 am
priesttj Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am
A little testy aren’t we Bo, your quote as to his “‘BRAIN’ being more of a question mark”. What kind of comment is that? “HIS BRAIN”???!! I didn’t say that YOU did.
Then you follow it up with Kiffin not allowing him to audible then Cable? But it’s his BRAIN!!
So no I’m not the BIGOT here. I’m just checking if there is one.
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I was responding to the neverending issue of his weight. I am not worried about that nearly as much as his ability to learn how to read defenses and audible successfully. I simplified that to a “brains vs. body” concern.
His physical talent has been well proven, but his ability to audible has not. So I am hoping for progress there. Aren’t you?
Every young QB in Russell’s situation has to learn this aspect. I want him to become as smart on the field as Gannon, but for now his talent for changing plays is a QUESTION MARK.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Only problem is Bey can’t catch the ball, and is already on his second injury during non-contact drills in training camp. Hasn’t even been TACKLED yet.
NEVER put Bey’s name in the same sentence as Jerry Rice, except to state how one will never be confused with the other.
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i’m hesitant to give medical advise…
but Midol is an effective treatment for your condition…
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It’s done wonders for you, I see.
No more unprovoked hissy fits.
Well, on occasion, but some attribute that to your menopause.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Let me put it this way…what area of Jamarcus’ game needs the most improvement?
My opinion is audibles. I’ve been saying it all offseason. And I’m glad they are focusing on it, because it is an essential skill.
Race? Jesus, any young QB in his position would be learning to audible right now. And fans would be crossing their fingers.
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Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
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The funny thing is – Richochet goes down ALL THE TIME (even when not touched!)
August 10th, 2009 at 10:02 am
So no I’m not the BIGOT here. I’m just checking if there is one.
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Priest, you weren’t “checking” you were assuming. I wasn’t the one making comments about black QBs in the 60s.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Ricochet-
since it’s obvious that you hate the Raiders, who is YOUR favorite football team?
August 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Bo, he hasn’t played enough games to demonstrate much of anything. He has audibled in every game I’ve seen him play. So again I have no idea what Russell you’re lookimg at. He may not have audibled as MUCH as HE would like. But to say he doesn’t audible or hasn’t shown the ability is STUPID!!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am
The funny thing is – Richochet goes down ALL THE TIME (even when not touched!)
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i kinda like that in a woman…
August 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am
diclesochet,
Midol might help your mangina or maybe a shot of whiskey!!! LOL @ you !! you sir are a DB and not of the backpedaling descent either!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Hey Kush:
Don’t ask “Richochet” that, because he can’t even spell his own sign-in name correctly!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Hey Richochet:
How are those negotiations with your boy Crap Tree going?
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On schedule, as expected.
Cat and mouse game.
Happens every year.
As of this moment?
#6 pick, Smith, not signed.
#8 pick, Monroe, not signed.
#9 pick, Raji, not signed
#10 pick, the steal of the draft, Crabtree, not signed
#11 pick, Maybin, not signed.
You notice the ONE POSITION in that group that’s already signed?
That’s because that player KNEW he wasn’t worth anywhere near the contract offered, and immediately snatched it up.
Now, if Crabtree held out through ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, that would make him one dumb cotton ball, wouldn’t it?
I mean, can you imagine someone being that dense?
IF he did that he might as well just sit out the year, right?
Because no team is going to be stupid enough to STILL SIGN THAT PRIMA DONNA DIVA PLAYER, giving them exactly what they wanted, now paying them to sit on the bench all year, right?
I mean, can you imagine a player DUMB ENOUGH to do that?
Worse yet, can you imagine any team STUPID ENOUGH to allow that?
Honestly, is there a team in the NFL that stupid?
Anyone???
August 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Crabtree is the steal of the draft? More like the Crapstain of the draft.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Richochet is trying to smear JaMarcus again, as he lounges around in his pink designer Zubaz pajamas, specially designed for him by fashion icon Michael Crabtree (the pants have no fly, of course!)
Hey Richochet – go to the Broncos training camp … plenty of whining and complaining there –you’d be right at home!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Let me put this in the simplest of terms. 2 years ago when Russell stared his first game against the chargers. There was a play that was essentially a read option. They were probably originally in a run, but the safety cheated up and Jerry Porter and Russell noticed and the play was checked to a deep post on Cromartie. It worked for a TDin th left half of the endzone.
That was an AUDIBLE.
Most audibles are simple check with me’s from the QB. When the defense gives a look often times the offense go in motion to see if it’s man or zone. Once the defense declares in pre-snap the QB can either stay in the play called or check it(audible) to another more advantagious play.
No QB can play in this league if he can’t audible…………period
If he is a starter it is because he can handle enough of the packages to audible. Or else there is NO WAY that you can run a competent offense.
THIS IS THE NFL…………..period
August 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Guys…its not about Michael Crabtree. Its about how well D-HB performs for the Raiders.
Chaz Schilens is the X-Receiver…the same position that Crabtree would have taken. Schilens is looking good according to the media reports.
D-HB is the receiver the Raiders selected.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am
888***********************************
and with that you are dissmissed diclesochet!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Hmmm. Crabtree the STEAL of the draft?
Well since Ricochet is toom uch of a coward to come out and say it, then based on his last post…I’m gonna have to say that he’s a…
WHINER FAN!! Hahahahahha, ROTFLMFAO!!
That’s why your dimwit a$$ is always on OUR blog, because you’re a miserable WHINER fan.
Crabtree the steal of the draft. What an idiot.lolololol
August 10th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Kush Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Ricochet-
since it’s obvious that you hate the Raiders, who is YOUR favorite football team?
They bring a smile to my face on a daily basis.
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Hate the Raiders??..naw…I love em.
You ever notice how you shy away from anything regarding the Raiders?
You say something stupid.
It gets shot down.
Then you immediately grab your purse and retreat, never defending your words.
Just like on MVN, moron.
You challenge me to show you your comments.
I do.
You state “Oh, that’s kushman, I’m Kush. Even though he’s called Kush, and said he’s coming here to post, and immediately did as “Kush”, no, that’s not me.”
Remember, avoid all discussions regarding the Raiders.
Less chance of you hurting yourself.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Blah blah blah blah.
Ricochet is still menstruating from his mouth. You still are too embarrassed to admit that you’re a miserable, sniveling, Whiner fan.
Second, you dimwit, Kushman from the MVN thread is not me. Never has been, never will. Nice try retard. But you gotta do better than that.
Now continue on your monthly cycle rant about Crabtree, ‘The Steal Of The Draft.’ lmfao.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
S&B: please don’t make claims that Chaz Schilens is going to have a better year than Crabtree.
I love Chaz and all, but he was a rookie 7th round pick last year. active for 16 games. had 15 catches, 226 yards & 2 TD’s
telling Richochet to compare him with Crabs instead of DHB is just giving him more ammo. especially telling him that our 7th rounder from last year might start ahead of Heyward-Bey (7th overall this year)
Chaz Schilens has done nothing in NFL games that matter to suggest that he’ll ever be a #1 WR in the NFL … however, we all expect him to contribute this year in some way
August 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Richochet is trying to smear JaMarcus again, as he lounges around in his pink designer Zubaz pajamas, specially designed for him by fashion icon Michael Crabtree (the pants have no fly, of course!)
Hey Richochet – go to the Broncos training camp … plenty of whining and complaining there –you’d be right at home!
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T-bone. This guys comes in here a bashes because he gets a rise out of people. If we just ignore his rediculous posts, he’ll get bored and Troll another site. I told him a week ago, I would no longer respond to his posts. He has refrained from engaging me since then, but that could have been because he found my football IQ was far superior to his. no doubt after reading this post he’ll say something to me, but you can bet nothing intellegent or with regards to the Raiders will be said. He’ll call me a coward again or something….
Point is:
He really never says anything of substance, so I’d just recommend to the Nation to just ignore the posts and continue on chatting with other Nation Members.
9-7!
53 MEN, COUNTLESS FANS, ONE PURPOSE!
DRINK IT!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Kush Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Ricochet-
since it’s obvious that you hate the Raiders, who is YOUR favorite football team?
They bring a smile to my face on a daily basis.
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Hate the Raiders??..naw…I love em.
You ever notice how you shy away from anything regarding the Raiders?
You say something stupid.
It gets shot down.
Then you immediately grab your purse and retreat, never defending your words.
Just like on MVN, moron.
You challenge me to show you your comments.
I do.
You state “Oh, that’s kushman, I’m Kush. Even though he’s called Kush, and said he’s coming here to post, and immediately did as “Kush”, no, that’s not me.”
Remember, avoid all discussions regarding the Raiders.
Less chance of you hurting yourself.
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Just like the kid on the Eli Manning commercial, I say:
WHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTT?!
Richochet makes no sense; he just bounces around — true to his name. Hey Richochet – don’t hurt yourself!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
RaiderRR– I am concerned with the right side of the line as well. I was hoping that Pears would step up and compete for the RT spot. He played well for Denver before he lost a whole season to a burst appendix. Carlyle is serviceable but old. We need some competition there as well. and solid depth would be nice too…
August 10th, 2009 at 10:36 am
The biggest problem young QB’s have is the fact that defensive players watch film on them. Sounds simple right but they pick up the kids tendencies and see what he does well or not well. Then they bait him. He can read the original defense but after the ball is snapped all of a sudden he is looking at a different coverage. Now how will he react when that happens?
Early in his career normally he will struggle with this tactic. But as he starts to watch more and more film and practice what he’s seeing on film being that he can get a good picture in practice he’ll get better and better. It’s a chess match that he has to learn to anticipate. More than anything he has to know the team he is playing as well as they know themselves. That’s what leads to success. But he has to have all the other elements working for himas well. A running game and great players wh make great plays for him.
Reading defenses is great but making plays as you do is what makes the great ones great. He’s learning that and this year we’ll see where he is as far as that’s concerned.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I think it will be easier this year to do screens as you are going to have the corners and safties pushed back with the threat of a deep ball.
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well said Headbutt. Higgins, Schilens, Holland & Watkins all had the “Raider speed” Al Davis covets, yet these guys were rarely on the field. Curry & Lelie certainly weren’t deep threats or guys you’d say could stretch the field. Replacing those two clowns with Heyward-Bey & Murphy should make us more dangerous in that regard. couple that with better pass protection from the o-line and better accuracy from Russell and you’ve got a functional passing attack!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Richogay, you seem like a pretty cool Bay Area high school dude. There’s this other cool junior I’d like to introduce you to the next time he comes to visit the blog. His name is Charged Down and he has problems finding dates, getting rid of his acne and masterbating all over his Stan Humphries poster.
I’m guessing your Alex Smith collectable bobble head has taken more facials than Jenna Jameson after an ecstasy binge.
Anyway I’ll hook you two kids up the next time I get the chance. In the meantime stay away from this old dude named KrappyKell. He’s creepy and he’s kooky and his pants are always krappy.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
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August 10th, 2009 at 10:40 am
No More Infield : I wonder if the right side of the OL would benefit much from Marcus Johnson at RG & Paul McQuistan at RT ???
they are bigger, younger and both are considered “maulers”
your thoughts?
August 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Dang RR’s hatin on my boy Chaz…. Chaz is hard as fyck Rockstar! As soon as he got the nod to start, he tore it up!
My prediction is Chaz is our most productive WR this season.
1000 YARDS CHAZ!
GET SOME!
9-7!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
AZ Raider:
Okay, you’re right of course!
I’ve had my fun toying around with Richochet and putting him in his place for the donkey that he is. I second your notion of just ignoring him, and implore the rest of Raider Nation to do the same. In the words of an old 80s song, Richochet, I say: “Goodbye To You!”
(By the way, “Hello Again” to the rest of you!)
August 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Rockstar,
I didn’t make any claims about whether Schilens is going to outperform Crabtree this year. I simply stated that Schilens is the primary “possession” receiving target and that the Raiders obviously believe he is capable of doing the job. Otherwise they might have considered Crabtree.
The Raiders have had a full year with Schilens. They have seen him in practice, the offseason and NFL games. Its not a reach to say they like what Schilens can give them over a Crabtree. Wide receivers, more than any other position, can emerge from anywhere in the draft.
As for Heyward-Bey, he’s the guy they send deep to stretch the defense. That’s not Crabtree’s game. but people want to compare Crabtree to Heyward-Bey due to draft status. Who cares? Its what DHB does for what Oakland is trying to do.
Teams get measured by wins and losses…not by what individual player does what
August 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
RRS, I’m with SnB on this one. Crabtree is a rookie coming from a spread offense. He’s never seen press coverage like what he is going to see this year. How will he react? We have seen what Chaz can do.
He beat out a vet early in his rookie year. Where you were drafted doesn’t mean squat. What you do once you’re drafted means everything.
I would put money if I was a betting man on Chaz in a heartbeat over Crabtree.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
I have to roll with Chaz on this one as well, if he wins the #1 WR spot. More than anything, it is about opportunity, and given equal opportunity for catches, Chaz is bigger, stronger, and faster.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
I would count, right now, on Chaz and Louis Murphy being your eventual 1-2 combination, with Johnnie Lee lining-up as a slot (sometimes DMac would be your slotback). I could easily see DHB coming in when you have three-wide sets.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am
I like McQuistan in the starting lineup.
Same with Stanford Routt.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am
AZ: hatin on Chaz? all I did was post the facts …
Look, I hope he becomes the next Marques Colston too, but that remains to be seen. you guys are acting like it’s already happened or something. Guys tear it up in training camp all the time. Holland, Watkins & Nick Miller have been impressive too, but all are considered long shots to make the 53 man roster.
Remember Quentin Moses, Donovan Darius & Edgerton Hartwell ripping it up in the offseason for us? none of them made the roster either …
I think he’ll make the team for sure, but I don’t think he’s a LOCK to start, like you guys do!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I would still have to give Chris Johnson the nod over Routt right now, but it seems like Stanford is making a lot of progress – that’s encouraging!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:49 am
priesttj Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Let me put this in the simplest of terms. 2 years ago when Russell stared his first game against the chargers. There was a play that was essentially a read option. They were probably originally in a run, but the safety cheated up and Jerry Porter and Russell noticed and the play was checked to a deep post on Cromartie. It worked for a TDin th left half of the endzone.
That was an AUDIBLE.
Most audibles are simple check with me’s from the QB. When the defense gives a look often times the offense go in motion to see if it’s man or zone. Once the defense declares in pre-snap the QB can either stay in the play called or check it(audible) to another more advantagious play.
No QB can play in this league if he can’t audible…………period
If he is a starter it is because he can handle enough of the packages to audible. Or else there is NO WAY that you can run a competent offense.
THIS IS THE NFL…………..period
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Fair enough, we can disagree on the number of pre-snap changes Russell makes (period). I don’t see nearly enough of them and the coaches have also noted it is an area for improvement (period). But you think he can audible well enough already, that is your opinion (period).
What is complete BS, however, is for you to presume my eagerness for Russell play smarter is a bias against a black QB (period). You regularly tell us not to jump to conclusions about Russell’s development, yet you seem all to eager to prejudge another fan’s racial views (period).
Done often enough, that sort of prejudice is the trademark of a bigot…period.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Beech,
Whats up bro!!!
“Richogay, you seem like a pretty cool Bay Area high school dude. There’s this other cool junior I’d like to introduce you to the next time he comes to visit the blog. His name is Charged Down and he has problems finding dates, getting rid of his acne and masterbating all over his Stan Humphries poster.”
Hew could even teach you diclesochet, how to play Blink 182 songs I think thtas what his band is a blink 182 cover band but you cats would hit it off like a pair of balls in the SF night life!!!!!
Good work Beech lets hook em up!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Boy! my post #205 read kind of goofy. Sorry!!lol
I need a break!!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Chaz and DHB will start, with JLH in the slot in 3WR sets. There will be plenty of rotation though, as Murphy will certainly see the field, as will Walker. I see Walker backing up Chaz, and Murphy getting snaps in JLH’s playmaking spot.
Definitely a good problem to have at WR. I can;t remember us ever having a WR group that had so much speed. Usually it’s a possession heavy core with the one James Jett or Alvis Whitted type.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
You guys missed this question
I know, I know..short attention span.
Here..try it again.
Now, if Crabtree held out through ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, that would make him one dumb cotton ball, wouldn’t it?
I mean, can you imagine someone being that dense?
IF he did that he might as well just sit out the year, right?
Because no team is going to be stupid enough to STILL SIGN THAT PRIMA DONNA DIVA PLAYER, giving them exactly what they wanted, now paying them to sit on the bench all year, right?
I mean, can you imagine a player DUMB ENOUGH to do that?
Worse yet, can you imagine any team STUPID ENOUGH to allow that?
Honestly, is there a team in the NFL that stupid?
Anyone???
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Of course you missed it.
Russell didn’t just miss ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, but missed the first couple of weeks OF THE REGULAR SEASON. Didn’t even sign until THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPT.
And yeah, Raiders handed JR 31.5 mil guaranteed, and promptly watched him sit, handing him 7plus million to sit on the bench.
Of course, some argue a qb sitting all year, watching, observing, learning, prepares them for a very productive second year in the NFL.
lol..so much for that.
Raiders just handed Russell 15 million of his GUARANTEED 31 million, to basically be the worst starting qb in the NFL.
Good one, Al *thumbs up*
August 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:49 am
priesttj Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Let me put this in the simplest of terms. 2 years ago when Russell stared his first game against the chargers. There was a play that was essentially a read option. They were probably originally in a run, but the safety cheated up and Jerry Porter and Russell noticed and the play was checked to a deep post on Cromartie. It worked for a TDin th left half of the endzone.
That was an AUDIBLE.
Most audibles are simple check with me’s from the QB. When the defense gives a look often times the offense go in motion to see if it’s man or zone. Once the defense declares in pre-snap the QB can either stay in the play called or check it(audible) to another more advantagious play.
No QB can play in this league if he can’t audible…………period
If he is a starter it is because he can handle enough of the packages to audible. Or else there is NO WAY that you can run a competent offense.
THIS IS THE NFL…………..period
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Fair enough, we can disagree on the number of pre-snap changes Russell makes (period). I don’t see nearly enough of them and the coaches have also noted it is an area for improvement (period). But you think he can audible well enough already, that is your opinion (period).
What is complete BS, however, is for you to presume my eagerness for Russell play smarter is a bias against a black QB (period). You regularly tell us not to jump to conclusions about Russell’s development, yet you seem all to eager to prejudge another fan’s racial views (period).
Done often enough, that sort of prejudice is the trademark of a bigot…period.
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Okay, let’s let cooler heads prevail here. ENOUGH of the talk about bigotry and the color of a professional QB’s skin. Black, white, silver, green, red — doesn’t matter. Success … the only thing that matters!
(Can we please just give the other stuff a rest?)
August 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Hey Double R,
Whats the haps brethran season gets close and you koolaid gets dumped for catious optimisium I can see that Thrusday is almost here and all the koolaid self promoting has gotten us through yet another tough but promisisng offseason but upon us is the strap it up time, leave it ALL on the field time, take no play off time, smash heads and win games time, and I feel ya As a collective this team had better be light years ahead of last year and on THE RISE!!!
COME RISE WITH US!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
AZ Raider:
Okay, you’re right of course!
I’ve had my fun toying around with Richochet and putting him in his place for the donkey that he is. I second your notion of just ignoring him, and implore the rest of Raider Nation to do the same. In the words of an old 80s song, Richochet, I say: “Goodbye To You!”
(By the way, “Hello Again” to the rest of you!)
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lol..congrats.
I handed Az his azz on a platter, sent him scurrying for cover, hoping others would back him.
Now he’s hoping you’ll join him in the shallow end of the pool.
Take my advice.
Accept his offer.
Whiney little say nothing slapped around little girls is not my idea of an “exchange”.
You understand, right?
You aren’t allowed to reply. If you have something to say, ask for persmission, and I’ll consider it.
Otherwise, get back to the shadows.
No shame in accepting your lot. Now you and Az can do the kiddy exchange..you know..where you both chat between yourselves, convincing each other that “IF WE WANTED TO, we could find a pair of balls..we just choose not to.”
We know differently though, don’t we? lol..
You may go now.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
OAKlifer:
I think we will — I feel a positive charge, and I sense and autumn wind blowing off just a little bit in the distance, once again!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
August 10th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Tbone,
“I sense and autumn wind blowing off just a little bit in the distance, once again!”
And the Autumn wind is a Raiduuuuuuuuh!!!!!
COMERISEWITHUS!!!!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Bo listen man, wether you are a bigot or not, is your concern not mine. I just let you know that questioning his brains, that has been a stereotype of black QB’s for decades. Now maybe you put it wrong nothing intended…fine!! But when others read that, what reaction do they have? my reaction was obvious.
I didn’t like it and I let you know. And I let you know why. Fair exchange. I never called you a bigot, I said what you said about Russell was an old stereotype and it is………period
When you say he doesn’t audible, that was proven not true…….am I right? So can you see my reasoning?
People make all kinds of assertions about this kid that just are not true…….but it doesn’t stop them.
I’ve been watching this game for over 40 years and what I see in Russell is no different than what I saw in Elway, Plunkett and Joe Namath. Same things…..but for some reason he gets treated very harshly.
And then I read a comment like yours. And that’s not the first time I’ve heard it or read it. Where does it come from?? That’s my point!! You decide!!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Richochet is trying to smear JaMarcus again, as he lounges around in his pink designer Zubaz pajamas, specially designed for him by fashion icon Michael Crabtree (the pants have no fly, of course!)
Hey Richochet – go to the Broncos training camp … plenty of whining and complaining there –you’d be right at home!
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T-bone. This guys comes in here a bashes because he gets a rise out of people. If we just ignore his rediculous posts, he’ll get bored and Troll another site. I told him a week ago, I would no longer respond to his posts. He has refrained from engaging me since then, but that could have been because he found my football IQ was far superior to his. no doubt after reading this post he’ll say something to me, but you can bet nothing intellegent or with regards to the Raiders will be said. He’ll call me a coward again or something….
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See Tbone? lol..told ya..I called his sorry inept ass out, he attempted a reply, I shot it down, and now that self proclaimed mouth turns out to be a mouse.
Actually, though, Az is confused.
I didn’t call you a coward, did I?
You’re probably thinking of someone else.
What I did tell you is your idiot comments got shot down, and shredded, and that it’s best you shut up before you hurt yourself.
What you just admitted to everyone is you’re aware that’s your best, likely your only recourse..to shut up.
good boy.
You aren’t as stupid as you look..and here I thought that wasn’t possible.
I do give you permission, however, to read my comments.
Like TBonehead, you are not allowed to reply, without permission.
Consider it training.
I speak, you read, you learn.
simple, even for you.
Bye bye, pumpkin.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
has anyone ever noticed that if you get a mosquito bite and don’t scratch it,it goes away.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Let me put it this way…what area of Jamarcus’ game needs the most improvement?
My opinion is audibles. I’ve been saying it all offseason. And I’m glad they are focusing on it, because it is an essential skill.
Race? Jesus, any young QB in his position would be learning to audible right now. And fans would be crossing their fingers.
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Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
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to b honest, NONE!!!!!! (xcept the fumbles, which should be taken care of with the emphasis on timing. the fumble here happened because Amobe O was to lazy to follow the PA play end got lucky. maybe he got chewed out on the sidelines since they got fooled around all day by the running game(yup. we have a legit running game, which is half the marbles) and Russells EXCELENT PA fakes! watch the play at 1:13 closely. answers most of your questions and gives you an idea of what to expect regularly facing the raiders.)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d84508/WK-16-JaMarcus-Russell-highlights
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# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
You guys missed this question
I know, I know..short attention span.
Here..try it again.
Now, if Crabtree held out through ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, that would make him one dumb cotton ball, wouldn’t it?
I mean, can you imagine someone being that dense?
IF he did that he might as well just sit out the year, right?
Because no team is going to be stupid enough to STILL SIGN THAT PRIMA DONNA DIVA PLAYER, giving them exactly what they wanted, now paying them to sit on the bench all year, right?
I mean, can you imagine a player DUMB ENOUGH to do that?
Worse yet, can you imagine any team STUPID ENOUGH to allow that?
Honestly, is there a team in the NFL that stupid?
Anyone???
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Of course you missed it.
Russell didn’t just miss ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, but missed the first couple of weeks OF THE REGULAR SEASON. Didn’t even sign until THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPT.
And yeah, Raiders handed JR 31.5 mil guaranteed, and promptly watched him sit, handing him 7plus million to sit on the bench.
Of course, some argue a qb sitting all year, watching, observing, learning, prepares them for a very productive second year in the NFL.
lol..so much for that.
Raiders just handed Russell 15 million of his GUARANTEED 31 million, to basically be the worst starting qb in the NFL.
Good one, Al *thumbs up*
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lol you bobbin and weavin now going from the play on the field to finances. who cares what he made learning the nfl man, were building this team for the long run, oldschool, doggy…im gettin a feeling you haters are getting scared and rightfully so!
23-0 baby!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Dang RR’s hatin on my boy Chaz…. Chaz is hard as fyck Rockstar! As soon as he got the nod to start, he tore it up!
My prediction is Chaz is our most productive WR this season.
1000 YARDS CHAZ!
GET SOME!
9-7!
…………………………………………….
See RR, just a prediction
August 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I do have to hand it to diclesochet he forms smart opinions at least MR as well hell even Beech we all accuse them of having no Knoledge of the sport but I have read both MR and Beech give a well thought out response so now its your turn dicles, If you cant then we under stand and we will all be pissing in the shallow end while you and your boys are gettign warm with glee up stream!!!!!
1. Are we better with “mop” Green or Mcquistian??
2. who should be our true number one RB and why??
3. what was the name of the blocking TE we drafted to help Miller and what has he done recently that has caught EVERYones attention??
Its only 3 and tey are easy dnt be left behind in the weird smelling water…..you can do it…..
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I keep seeing that David Tyree might not make the cut for the NY Giants. It’s interesting because Tyree is probably the best special teams gunner in the game. I’ve seen him make a lot of big plays and a ton of tackles in that role. I know he was interested in becoming a bigger factor as a WR, but if he gets cut maybe he’ll go to a team that’s more interested in his special teams skills.
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
That would be a nice mix because you’d have a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
has anyone ever noticed that if you get a mosquito bite and don’t scratch it,it goes away.
__________________
You’re absolutely right; it does. It’s hard to ignore sometimes, but it’s always the better course of action!
BTW, welcome back in to the house!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Ummm…Is Chaz in the running to be the team’s “#1″ WR?
What does that mean? The WR with the most catches, or is the #1 WR the guy that typically starts out on the left side of the formation, or he’s the guy who is the primary target for the QB, or…? Is Chaz going to a WR or a Split End? Will he ever be in the slot?
Unless Walker or DHB assumes the true “#1 WR” role this year by dominating Defenses (a la Fitz, the Johnsons, even T.O.), and one or both of them become a force among top WR-threats in the league…
…what’s more likely to happen is we’ll have a few WR’s in the +/- 50 reception range…and a Pro Bowl-quality TE in the +/- 80 reception range. If one of those WR’s cathes more than 65-70 balls, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zach Miller hauls-in about the same numbers.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
………………………………………….
Hell Ya Baby!
9-7!
PLAYBOUND!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Morning, Oaky. Yeah, these two kids are a match made in gay high school heaven. I mean, Richogay can only dry hump his life sized Vernon Davis doll for so long.
You know, it’s one thing for him to get worked up over non alcoholic champagne and creme brule, but Richogay makes a mess all over himself whenever Mike Singletary twitters. He needs a real young man in his life and I think Charged Down fits that bill.
They’ll have the challenge of a long distance relationship, but their passion for bad football and Blink 182 should carry them through the lover’s quarrels.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Can’tstandthehaters, you should be banned for comment 233. Worst copy and paste job I’ve ever seen. I don’t even know who’s saying what in that comment. Jerry needs to start cracking down on people who copy and paste more than one simple comment from one person in each post.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Personally, I look for Zach to have a Pro Bowl-type year this year.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# beeecham Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Morning, Oaky. Yeah, these two kids are a match made in gay high school heaven. I mean, Richogay can only dry hump his life sized Vernon Davis doll for so long.
You know, it’s one thing for him to get worked up over non alcoholic champagne and creme brule, but Richogay makes a mess all over himself whenever Mike Singletary twitters. He needs a real young man in his life and I think Charged Down fits that bill.
They’ll have the challenge of a long distance relationship, but their passion for bad football and Blink 182 should carry them through the lover’s quarrels.
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# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
………………………………………….
Hell Ya Baby!
9-7!
PLAYBOUND!
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# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Dang RR’s hatin on my boy Chaz…. Chaz is hard as fyck Rockstar! As soon as he got the nod to start, he tore it up!
My prediction is Chaz is our most productive WR this season.
1000 YARDS CHAZ!
GET SOME!
9-7!
…………………………………………….
See RR, just a prediction
# OAKlifer Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I do have to hand it to diclesochet he forms smart opinions at least MR as well hell even Beech we all accuse them of having no Knoledge of the sport but I have read both MR and Beech give a well thought out response so now its your turn dicles, If you cant then we under stand and we will all be pissing in the shallow end while you and your boys are gettign warm with glee up stream!!!!!
1. Are we better with “mop” Green or Mcquistian??
2. who should be our true number one RB and why??
3. what was the name of the blocking TE we drafted to help Miller and what has he done recently that has caught EVERYones attention??
Its only 3 and tey are easy dnt be left behind in the weird smelling water…..you can do it…..
# Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I keep seeing that David Tyree might not make the cut for the NY Giants. It’s interesting because Tyree is probably the best special teams gunner in the game. I’ve seen him make a lot of big plays and a ton of tackles in that role. I know he was interested in becoming a bigger factor as a WR, but if he gets cut maybe he’ll go to a team that’s more interested in his special teams skills.
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
That would be a nice mix because you’d have a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things.
………………..
Yeh, I agree!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
next dude will show up as all 3 seem to arrive at about the same times.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
hey OAKlifer!
i’m anxious to see what kind of team we have Thursday vs. the Cowboys …
starters won’t play much, but it’ll be cool to see all the new Raiders free agent & rookie alike wearing the silver & black!
5 FA’s I’m most interested in watching: Satele, Neal, Ellis, Frye, Pears (in that order. Barnes is out injured and Garcia most likely won’t play either)
5 rooks I’m most interested in watching: DHB, Mitchell, Murphy, Shaughnessy, Myers (in that order. don’t care much about Slade Norris or the undrafted kids)
August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Chaz Schilens will be one of the two starting wide receivers going into this year. We can throw terms around about X, Y…#1,#2….the bottom line is he will be on the field the most for all receivers.
The kid has the physical tools to get the job done. 6′4 225 4.38 40yd dash and a good work ethic. He will get his opportunity.
As for the next receiver….depends a lot on what Javon Walker does. Is he really all the way back? If he is…he will be on the field a lot.
JLH has proven an ability to make plays. He will start as the #3 receiver. They will not retire him to special teams.
DHB and Murphy will be eased into the lineup. They will get several looks and as they develop get more playing time.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
————————————-
to b honest, NONE!!!!!! (xcept the fumbles, which should be taken care of with the emphasis on timing. the fumble here happened because Amobe O was to lazy to follow the PA play end got lucky. maybe he got chewed out on the sidelines since they got fooled around all day by the running game(yup. we have a legit running game, which is half the marbles) and Russells EXCELENT PA fakes! watch the play at 1:13 closely. answers most of your questions and gives you an idea of what to expect regularly facing the raiders.)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d84508/WK-16-JaMarcus-Russell-highlights
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# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Of course you missed it.
Russell didn’t just miss ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, but missed the first couple of weeks OF THE REGULAR SEASON. Didn’t even sign until THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPT.
And yeah, Raiders handed JR 31.5 mil guaranteed, and promptly watched him sit, handing him 7plus million to sit on the bench.
Of course, some argue a qb sitting all year, watching, observing, learning, prepares them for a very productive second year in the NFL.
lol..so much for that.
Raiders just handed Russell 15 million of his GUARANTEED 31 million, to basically be the worst starting qb in the NFL.
Good one, Al *thumbs up*
———————————————–
lol you bobbin and weavin now going from the play on the field to finances. who cares what he made learning the nfl man, were building this team for the long run, oldschool, doggy…im gettin a feeling you haters are getting scared and rightfully so!
23-0 baby!
————
better trmr?
August 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
isnt # 6 a waste of a roster spot or can he long snap as well?!!?!?
August 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
# Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I keep seeing that David Tyree might not make the cut for the NY Giants. It’s interesting because Tyree is probably the best special teams gunner in the game. I’ve seen him make a lot of big plays and a ton of tackles in that role. I know he was interested in becoming a bigger factor as a WR, but if he gets cut maybe he’ll go to a team that’s more interested in his special teams skills.
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
That would be a nice mix because you’d have a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things.
# raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
has anyone ever noticed that if you get a mosquito bite and don’t scratch it,it goes away.
__________________
You’re absolutely right; it does. It’s hard to ignore sometimes, but it’s always the better course of action!
BTW, welcome back in to the house!
# HayesDaze37 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Ummm…Is Chaz in the running to be the team’s “#1″ WR?
What does that mean? The WR with the most catches, or is the #1 WR the guy that typically starts out on the left side of the formation, or he’s the guy who is the primary target for the QB, or…? Is Chaz going to a WR or a Split End? Will he ever be in the slot?
Unless Walker or DHB assumes the true “#1 WR” role this year by dominating Defenses (a la Fitz, the Johnsons, even T.O.), and one or both of them become a force among top WR-threats in the league…
…what’s more likely to happen is we’ll have a few WR’s in the +/- 50 reception range…and a Pro Bowl-quality TE in the +/- 80 reception range. If one of those WR’s cathes more than 65-70 balls, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zach Miller hauls-in about the same numbers.
# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
………………………………………….
Hell Ya Baby!
9-7!
PLAYBOUND!
# beeecham Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Morning, Oaky. Yeah, these two kids are a match made in gay high school heaven. I mean, Richogay can only dry hump his life sized Vernon Davis doll for so long.
You know, it’s one thing for him to get worked up over non alcoholic champagne and creme brule, but Richogay makes a mess all over himself whenever Mike Singletary twitters. He needs a real young man in his life and I think Charged Down fits that bill.
They’ll have the challenge of a long distance relationship, but their passion for bad football and Blink 182 should carry them through the lover’s quarrels.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Can’tstandthehaters, you should be banned for comment 233. Worst copy and paste job I’ve ever seen. I don’t even know who’s saying what in that comment. Jerry needs to start cracking down on people who copy and paste more than one simple comment from one person in each post.
# raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Personally, I look for Zach to have a Pro Bowl-type year this year.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# beeecham Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Morning, Oaky. Yeah, these two kids are a match made in gay high school heaven. I mean, Richogay can only dry hump his life sized Vernon Davis doll for so long.
You know, it’s one thing for him to get worked up over non alcoholic champagne and creme brule, but Richogay makes a mess all over himself whenever Mike Singletary twitters. He needs a real young man in his life and I think Charged Down fits that bill.
They’ll have the challenge of a long distance relationship, but their passion for bad football and Blink 182 should carry them through the lover’s quarrels.
…………………….
# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
………………………………………….
Hell Ya Baby!
9-7!
PLAYBOUND!
……………
# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Dang RR’s hatin on my boy Chaz…. Chaz is hard as fyck Rockstar! As soon as he got the nod to start, he tore it up!
My prediction is Chaz is our most productive WR this season.
1000 YARDS CHAZ!
GET SOME!
9-7!
…………………………………………….
See RR, just a prediction
# OAKlifer Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I do have to hand it to diclesochet he forms smart opinions at least MR as well hell even Beech we all accuse them of having no Knoledge of the sport but I have read both MR and Beech give a well thought out response so now its your turn dicles, If you cant then we under stand and we will all be pissing in the shallow end while you and your boys are gettign warm with glee up stream!!!!!
1. Are we better with “mop” Green or Mcquistian??
2. who should be our true number one RB and why??
3. what was the name of the blocking TE we drafted to help Miller and what has he done recently that has caught EVERYones attention??
Its only 3 and tey are easy dnt be left behind in the weird smelling water…..you can do it…..
# Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I keep seeing that David Tyree might not make the cut for the NY Giants. It’s interesting because Tyree is probably the best special teams gunner in the game. I’ve seen him make a lot of big plays and a ton of tackles in that role. I know he was interested in becoming a bigger factor as a WR, but if he gets cut maybe he’ll go to a team that’s more interested in his special teams skills.
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
That would be a nice mix because you’d have a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things.
………………..
Yeh, I agree!
# lefty12 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
next dude will show up as all 3 seem to arrive at about the same times.
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
hey OAKlifer!
i’m anxious to see what kind of team we have Thursday vs. the Cowboys …
starters won’t play much, but it’ll be cool to see all the new Raiders free agent & rookie alike wearing the silver & black!
5 FA’s I’m most interested in watching: Satele, Neal, Ellis, Frye, Pears (in that order. Barnes is out injured and Garcia most likely won’t play either)
5 rooks I’m most interested in watching: DHB, Mitchell, Murphy, Shaughnessy, Myers (in that order. don’t care much about Slade Norris or the undrafted kids)
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Chaz Schilens will be one of the two starting wide receivers going into this year. We can throw terms around about X, Y…#1,#2….the bottom line is he will be on the field the most for all receivers.
The kid has the physical tools to get the job done. 6′4 225 4.38 40yd dash and a good work ethic. He will get his opportunity.
As for the next receiver….depends a lot on what Javon Walker does. Is he really all the way back? If he is…he will be on the field a lot.
JLH has proven an ability to make plays. He will start as the #3 receiver. They will not retire him to special teams.
DHB and Murphy will be eased into the lineup. They will get several looks and as they develop get more playing time.
# CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
————————————-
to b honest, NONE!!!!!! (xcept the fumbles, which should be taken care of with the emphasis on timing. the fumble here happened because Amobe O was to lazy to follow the PA play end got lucky. maybe he got chewed out on the sidelines since they got fooled around all day by the running game(yup. we have a legit running game, which is half the marbles) and Russells EXCELENT PA fakes! watch the play at 1:13 closely. answers most of your questions and gives you an idea of what to expect regularly facing the raiders.)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d84508/WK-16-JaMarcus-Russell-highlights
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# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Of course you missed it.
Russell didn’t just miss ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, but missed the first couple of weeks OF THE REGULAR SEASON. Didn’t even sign until THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPT.
And yeah, Raiders handed JR 31.5 mil guaranteed, and promptly watched him sit, handing him 7plus million to sit on the bench.
Of course, some argue a qb sitting all year, watching, observing, learning, prepares them for a very productive second year in the NFL.
lol..so much for that.
Raiders just handed Russell 15 million of his GUARANTEED 31 million, to basically be the worst starting qb in the NFL.
Good one, Al *thumbs up*
———————————————–
lol you bobbin and weavin now going from the play on the field to finances. who cares what he made learning the nfl man, were building this team for the long run, oldschool, doggy…im gettin a feeling you haters are getting scared and rightfully so!
23-0 baby!
————
better trmr?
……
I like Cheerios with sugar. Just plain cheerios and sugar. Best cereal on the planet.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Okay guys, I’m out. Have a great rest of the day and I’ll check back in later in the PM. Ya’ll crank it out — AZ, OAKlifer, Beech, RMR, HayesDaze, Chris in NY, Lefty12, Priesttj, Jhill
Later dudes … Raider On!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
priesttj Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Bo listen man, wether you are a bigot or not, is your concern not mine. I just let you know that questioning his brains, that has been a stereotype of black QB’s for decades. Now maybe you put it wrong nothing intended…fine!! But when others read that, what reaction do they have? my reaction was obvious.
I didn’t like it and I let you know. And I let you know why. Fair exchange. I never called you a bigot, I said what you said about Russell was an old stereotype and it is………period
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
What I said about Russell was no sterotype at all: “What I worry about is if the kid will ever be able to audible effectively. We’ve seen no evidence of it yet, so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.”
Only someone locked into the outdated views of 40 years ago could read this as bigoted. But guess what, it is 2009, and in this century’s NFL there are lots of black QBs who play well, badly, smart, dumb, etc. and get their performance discussed with no racial bias at all.
Perhaps you haven’t realized it, but we also have a black prez. Jimmy the Greek is long gone. Players are judged individually these days, and often the analysts are black themselves.
When you read a comment that never even obliquely mentions race, DO NOT assume your outdated assumptions are still valid. Russell is being judged – both here and in the wider media – as a player with his own history and personality. Not as a “black” QB stereotype.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Out of curiousity, I didnt watch much of DHB in college games and I know the speed id why we got him, but when he was playing in college did any corners actually bump and run with him? Because if not its going to be interesting to see how he reacts to that.
I mean I sure SOME1 did at one point or another in college but how often and obviously not the calibre or corners he will see this year.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Double R,
5 FA’s
5 rooks
Nice list man I wish barnes had not hurt himself liek you said last week he may not even had made the team but now he is a lock….plus it would be nice to have a solid line in place by Aug 30 or so!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:23 am
#
# OAKlifer Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
isnt # 6 a waste of a roster spot or can he long snap as well?!!?!?
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
# Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I keep seeing that David Tyree might not make the cut for the NY Giants. It’s interesting because Tyree is probably the best special teams gunner in the game. I’ve seen him make a lot of big plays and a ton of tackles in that role. I know he was interested in becoming a bigger factor as a WR, but if he gets cut maybe he’ll go to a team that’s more interested in his special teams skills.
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
That would be a nice mix because you’d have a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things.
# raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
has anyone ever noticed that if you get a mosquito bite and don’t scratch it,it goes away.
__________________
You’re absolutely right; it does. It’s hard to ignore sometimes, but it’s always the better course of action!
BTW, welcome back in to the house!
# HayesDaze37 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Ummm…Is Chaz in the running to be the team’s “#1″ WR?
What does that mean? The WR with the most catches, or is the #1 WR the guy that typically starts out on the left side of the formation, or he’s the guy who is the primary target for the QB, or…? Is Chaz going to a WR or a Split End? Will he ever be in the slot?
Unless Walker or DHB assumes the true “#1 WR” role this year by dominating Defenses (a la Fitz, the Johnsons, even T.O.), and one or both of them become a force among top WR-threats in the league…
…what’s more likely to happen is we’ll have a few WR’s in the +/- 50 reception range…and a Pro Bowl-quality TE in the +/- 80 reception range. If one of those WR’s cathes more than 65-70 balls, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zach Miller hauls-in about the same numbers.
# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
………………………………………….
Hell Ya Baby!
9-7!
PLAYBOUND!
# beeecham Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Morning, Oaky. Yeah, these two kids are a match made in gay high school heaven. I mean, Richogay can only dry hump his life sized Vernon Davis doll for so long.
You know, it’s one thing for him to get worked up over non alcoholic champagne and creme brule, but Richogay makes a mess all over himself whenever Mike Singletary twitters. He needs a real young man in his life and I think Charged Down fits that bill.
They’ll have the challenge of a long distance relationship, but their passion for bad football and Blink 182 should carry them through the lover’s quarrels.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Can’tstandthehaters, you should be banned for comment 233. Worst copy and paste job I’ve ever seen. I don’t even know who’s saying what in that comment. Jerry needs to start cracking down on people who copy and paste more than one simple comment from one person in each post.
# raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Personally, I look for Zach to have a Pro Bowl-type year this year.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# beeecham Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Morning, Oaky. Yeah, these two kids are a match made in gay high school heaven. I mean, Richogay can only dry hump his life sized Vernon Davis doll for so long.
You know, it’s one thing for him to get worked up over non alcoholic champagne and creme brule, but Richogay makes a mess all over himself whenever Mike Singletary twitters. He needs a real young man in his life and I think Charged Down fits that bill.
They’ll have the challenge of a long distance relationship, but their passion for bad football and Blink 182 should carry them through the lover’s quarrels.
…………………….
# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hey AZ:
I Am Proud To Be A True Raiders Fan.
How about you?
………………………………………….
Hell Ya Baby!
9-7!
PLAYBOUND!
……………
# AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Dang RR’s hatin on my boy Chaz…. Chaz is hard as fyck Rockstar! As soon as he got the nod to start, he tore it up!
My prediction is Chaz is our most productive WR this season.
1000 YARDS CHAZ!
GET SOME!
9-7!
…………………………………………….
See RR, just a prediction
# OAKlifer Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I do have to hand it to diclesochet he forms smart opinions at least MR as well hell even Beech we all accuse them of having no Knoledge of the sport but I have read both MR and Beech give a well thought out response so now its your turn dicles, If you cant then we under stand and we will all be pissing in the shallow end while you and your boys are gettign warm with glee up stream!!!!!
1. Are we better with “mop” Green or Mcquistian??
2. who should be our true number one RB and why??
3. what was the name of the blocking TE we drafted to help Miller and what has he done recently that has caught EVERYones attention??
Its only 3 and tey are easy dnt be left behind in the weird smelling water…..you can do it…..
# Chris in NY Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I keep seeing that David Tyree might not make the cut for the NY Giants. It’s interesting because Tyree is probably the best special teams gunner in the game. I’ve seen him make a lot of big plays and a ton of tackles in that role. I know he was interested in becoming a bigger factor as a WR, but if he gets cut maybe he’ll go to a team that’s more interested in his special teams skills.
Jerry mentioned the Raiders could keep anywhere from 5-7 WRs on the roster. If that’s the case, I’d like to see:
1) Schilens
2) Walker
3) JLH
4) DHB
5) Murphy
6) N. Miller
7) Tyree
That would be a nice mix because you’d have a lot of guys who can do a lot of different things.
………………..
Yeh, I agree!
# lefty12 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
next dude will show up as all 3 seem to arrive at about the same times.
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
hey OAKlifer!
i’m anxious to see what kind of team we have Thursday vs. the Cowboys …
starters won’t play much, but it’ll be cool to see all the new Raiders free agent & rookie alike wearing the silver & black!
5 FA’s I’m most interested in watching: Satele, Neal, Ellis, Frye, Pears (in that order. Barnes is out injured and Garcia most likely won’t play either)
5 rooks I’m most interested in watching: DHB, Mitchell, Murphy, Shaughnessy, Myers (in that order. don’t care much about Slade Norris or the undrafted kids)
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Chaz Schilens will be one of the two starting wide receivers going into this year. We can throw terms around about X, Y…#1,#2….the bottom line is he will be on the field the most for all receivers.
The kid has the physical tools to get the job done. 6′4 225 4.38 40yd dash and a good work ethic. He will get his opportunity.
As for the next receiver….depends a lot on what Javon Walker does. Is he really all the way back? If he is…he will be on the field a lot.
JLH has proven an ability to make plays. He will start as the #3 receiver. They will not retire him to special teams.
DHB and Murphy will be eased into the lineup. They will get several looks and as they develop get more playing time.
# CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
————————————-
to b honest, NONE!!!!!! (xcept the fumbles, which should be taken care of with the emphasis on timing. the fumble here happened because Amobe O was to lazy to follow the PA play end got lucky. maybe he got chewed out on the sidelines since they got fooled around all day by the running game(yup. we have a legit running game, which is half the marbles) and Russells EXCELENT PA fakes! watch the play at 1:13 closely. answers most of your questions and gives you an idea of what to expect regularly facing the raiders.)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d84508/WK-16-JaMarcus-Russell-highlights
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# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Of course you missed it.
Russell didn’t just miss ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, but missed the first couple of weeks OF THE REGULAR SEASON. Didn’t even sign until THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPT.
And yeah, Raiders handed JR 31.5 mil guaranteed, and promptly watched him sit, handing him 7plus million to sit on the bench.
Of course, some argue a qb sitting all year, watching, observing, learning, prepares them for a very productive second year in the NFL.
lol..so much for that.
Raiders just handed Russell 15 million of his GUARANTEED 31 million, to basically be the worst starting qb in the NFL.
Good one, Al *thumbs up*
———————————————–
lol you bobbin and weavin now going from the play on the field to finances. who cares what he made learning the nfl man, were building this team for the long run, oldschool, doggy…im gettin a feeling you haters are getting scared and rightfully so!
23-0 baby!
————
better trmr?
……
I like Cheerios with sugar. Just plain cheerios and sugar. Best cereal on the planet.
# raidertbone Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Okay guys, I’m out. Have a great rest of the day and I’ll check back in later in the PM. Ya’ll crank it out — AZ, OAKlifer, Beech, RMR, HayesDaze, Chris in NY, Lefty12, Priesttj, Jhill
Later dudes … Raider On!
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
priesttj Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Bo listen man, wether you are a bigot or not, is your concern not mine. I just let you know that questioning his brains, that has been a stereotype of black QB’s for decades. Now maybe you put it wrong nothing intended…fine!! But when others read that, what reaction do they have? my reaction was obvious.
I didn’t like it and I let you know. And I let you know why. Fair exchange. I never called you a bigot, I said what you said about Russell was an old stereotype and it is………period
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
What I said about Russell was no sterotype at all: “What I worry about is if the kid will ever be able to audible effectively. We’ve seen no evidence of it yet, so to me his brain is more of a question mark than his body.”
Only someone locked into the outdated views of 40 years ago could read this as bigoted. But guess what, it is 2009, and in this century’s NFL there are lots of black QBs who play well, badly, smart, dumb, etc. and get their performance discussed with no racial bias at all.
Perhaps you haven’t realized it, but we also have a black prez. Jimmy the Greek is long gone. Players are judged individually these days, and often the analysts are black themselves.
When you read a comment that never even obliquely mentions race, DO NOT assume your outdated assumptions are still valid. Russell is being judged – both here and in the wider media – as a player with his own history and personality. Not as a “black” QB stereotype.
………….
Regarding Russell and race: He would suck no matter what race he is.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
please correct me if i am wrong…
but are we diving toward a new level of stoopid schitt here????
let’s not copy and paste multiple posts…
please.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
It is very exciting that we are finally going to have some Raider football to see. Thanks to everyone here for entertaining me during the offseason.
You guys are the best!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
period!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Mitchell will be strictly a ST player for at least most of this year so we shouldn’t expect too much out of him.BTW,Satele wasn’t a FA-we traded for him.and we should be curious about Norris as he very well could be one of our future starting LBs.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Later, T Biggity. Make sure you come back later as we sort out the wide receiver debate, wait for updates on DMB’s hurt toe and, of course, see if KrappyKell still thinks that I am Oakglenn.
You don’t want to miss this!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:28 am
We mentioned on Sunday that free-agent tackle Jon Runyan could be cleared to play football this week.
Apparently, it could happen as soon as today.
ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio reports that Runyan will travel to Alabama on Monday in the hopes of securing clearance from Dr. James Andrews to begin running again on a knee that was repaired in the offseason by microfracture surgery.
Runyan hopes to work out for one or more NFL teams within the next week or two.
“My goal all along has been to play this season, and we’ve had this date in mind as when I could begin running so hopefully I will get clearance from Dr. Andrews,” Runyan said.
Runyan also said that he has been in contact with a “number of teams,” including the Eagles.
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sign him Al !!!
he’ll be ready by Week 1.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:29 am
BSJ, and BHP
if I may I see valid points but BSJ didnt metion race as a factor really at all, and yes this type of “sterotypr” has been going on for years and years how ever you aree both loyal supporters of the Raiders one of the most DIVERSE group in all of sports wether it be fans players or coaches we have em all and love em all!!! I do not believe either of you to be a bigot but I do beleive this there will always be a race problem as long as we see our selfs differntly…We dnt have a black president he is just a president…we dnt have a black QB he is just a QB….Dungy wasnt the 1st African American to win a superbowl He was just a DAMN good coach with a group of special players…..So my point is untill we stop sperating our selfs we will never be with out racisim….We should just have ONE NATION
August 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Well I don’t know if any1 actually read my last post because of the cut and paste stuff but again I ask:
Raider Headbutt Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Out of curiousity, I didnt watch much of DHB in college games and I know the speed id why we got him, but when he was playing in college did any corners actually bump and run with him? Because if not its going to be interesting to see how he reacts to that.
I mean I sure SOME1 did at one point or another in college but how often and obviously not the calibre or corners he will see this year.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Satele wasn’t a FA-we traded for him.and we should be curious about Norris as he very well could be one of our future starting LBs.
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oops. I farted on this post!
sorry Lefty…
August 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
S&B: please don’t make claims that Chaz Schilens is going to have a better year than Crabtree.
———— Actually, RRS, he could.
I love Chaz and all, but he was a rookie 7th round pick last year. active for 16 games. had 15 catches, 226 yards & 2 TD’s
———— And how many NFL catches did Crab have?
telling Richochet to compare him with Crabs instead of DHB is just giving him more ammo. especially telling him that our 7th rounder from last year might start ahead of Heyward-Bey (7th overall this year)
———— Our 7th-rounder may start OPPOSITE DHB
Chaz Schilens has done nothing in NFL games that matter to suggest that he’ll ever be a #1 WR in the NFL … however, we all expect him to contribute this year in some way
———— Chaz Schilens could end up with more catches than any other WR on the roster…even if he’s not the “#1.”
He may have played in 16-games last year, but he only started 6 of them. He caught 3-passes in a game 4x last year…and he averaged 15+ yards per catch WHEN HE WAS THROWN TO. Do you remember Chaz dropping many last year? No…because when he was thrown to, he caught the ball.
It only makes sense, that if the guy (and his QB) is better than last year…he’ll be targeted more, he’ll catch more, and he should produce numbers that appear to be what his averages are heading for:
15+ yards per…and IF he catches 4-5 balls per game = 60-75 receptions, for something between 900-1125 yards.
That’s possible for Chaz…and certainly more possible for him to achieve than for Crabtree to achieve at this point.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Crap, I guess the recess bell rang. WTF MR?? It was somewhat funny the first time, and the first time only!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Write it down now!! Chaz will be a better player this year than Crabtree. For Crabtree to miss this much camp and it doesn’t look like he will sign anytime soon. Him having a better season than Chaz would be due to injury.
Right now Chaz is a much better player than Crabtree at this level. You cannot come in camp this late and succeed I’m sorry. It’s just tooo difficult. If Crabtree can get in before the last preseason game and get some work in maybe by midseason he’ll start to find his way. But this is really let for him to contribute this year.
I can almost gaurantee you that if and when he signs he’ll be pressing to show he was worth the wait and the money. And cause an injury or imped his own development. Hold outs this long are never good for rookies. If he’s not signed by the 3rd preaseason game this entire year will be a washout.
The kid never got into OTA’s, minicamp’s or anything. He hasn’t practiced at all and to miss training camp. They can forget it this year……….period
August 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
sry folks. i was “posting too fast” (aaaagh!!) and when i refreshed for the umpteenth time i saw other posts up i wanted to address so..blame it on Jerry.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
HD37: Chaz Schilens is only relevant to Raiders fans …
FACT.
nobody in the real world is projecting him to do anything special this season based on last years numbers/performance
keep drinking the Kool-Aid, maybe all that over analysis will change history. the only team in the league Chaz Schilens would start for today is the St. Louis Rams
August 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
who gives a rats arse about Craptree-he is a whiner.it woudn’t bother me if never signed or falls flat on his face when he does.he belongs to the whiners-screw him and them!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
CHAZ>crabtree 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 214, 2015, 2016, 2017 etc etc etc.
I dot give a F about what round the guy was taken in, he was a star at sdsu. We got him for a song and bag of rocks….. This guy was way overlooked becuase of the school he went to.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
going out on a limb…
Crabtree will either be the biggest bust of this years 1st round crop…
or he will not be playing football…
either way…
the niners are going to suck…
August 10th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Wrong again, Most “pundits” have Chaz as being a “sleeper” to have a breakout season. Next
August 10th, 2009 at 11:40 am
who’s hatin on my boy Chaz???
Sup NATION?
August 10th, 2009 at 11:41 am
agreed with BHP. baring injurys, i believe Chaz will have better #s at years end. if Crabs doesnt sign soon the team will move on without him just like we moved on when RUssell wasnt in on time. the learning curve is steep as it is and when he misses more time, i cant see Crabby contribute too much this year at all.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
What’s shakin 408?
How’s traffic on the 420 today?
August 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
when Chaz gets the “looks” and put up numbers come back in to the NATION blog exspousing your “opinions”
at that time. Lets talk the “numbers” by week 8 and see how he compares to other starters at his postion.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Pete-according to the bay area media Singletary is the second coming of Lombardi and the whiners will be in the fight to win their division.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
408 and Saint, what up Bretheren?????
August 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
HD37: Chaz Schilens is only relevant to Raiders fans …
FACT.
nobody in the real world is projecting him to do anything special this season based on last years numbers/performance
keep drinking the Kool-Aid, maybe all that over analysis will change history. the only team in the league Chaz Schilens would start for today is the St. Louis Rams
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….and the Raiders Rr, don’t forget about the Raiders because he’s gonna start and be productive for us.
Can’t say its a fact though RR, as it has not happened yet and Al Davis never did aprove my request to make decisions for him
.
9-7!
DRINK UP!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Wrong again, Most “pundits” have Chaz as being a “sleeper” to have a breakout season. Next
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links please!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
hahaha saint.. its all good kinda cloudy though…
August 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Hey Thec.
Almost there brutha….high time we see what this track team can do!!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Thec…408… Welcome! You guys ready or what?
August 10th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Thec
all is good got the 4 day weelend going…
RRS
sup with all the Chaz bashin?? ur harshin my buzz AGAIN…
August 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
408,
Whatever you do, DO NOT roll down the windows!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:48 am
AZ
I’ve been ready.. I just hope we get through the preseason with no major injuries…
My Kool-AID is BLACK with SILVER PATRON blended with ICE… OH yeah taste great…
August 10th, 2009 at 11:49 am
It’s really all about Cable. It’s pretty clear that Chaz is going to start. And it is also pretty clear that he will never be doubled. So the only remaining question is will Cable call his #’s.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:50 am
if Chaz Schilens was a #1 WR future Pro Bowler we wouldn’t have drafted Heyward-Bey or Louis Murphy. Wouldn’t have kept Javon Walker either.
we had the least productive WR corps in the league last year. a group that included Schilens.
pour sugar on that all day long, but it doesn’t change anything. He produced like a 7th Round draft pick. good for him. He made the team. he made a few catches in camp over guys like Darrick Brown, Jason Horton & John Bowie while Heyward-Bey was covered by Nnamdi. yippee!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Thec07: please post links where Most “pundits” have Chaz as being a “sleeper” to have a breakout season …
thanks buddy!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:52 am
408RAIDER Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Thec
all is good got the 4 day weelend going…
RRS
sup with all the Chaz bashin?? ur harshin my buzz AGAIN…
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RR is on a rant, it’s all good, rockstar is an upstanding member, he just gets fired up sometimes.
Here, let me pour you another to get that buzz back…
9-7!
1000 YARDS RECIEVING FOR MY BOY CHAZ SCHILENS!
CHARGERS REIN IN THE AFC WEST ENDS SEPT 14TH 2009!
53 MEN, COUNTLESS FANS, ONE PURPOSE!
PLAYOFFS?
PLAYOFFBOUND!
DRINK UP NATION!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
HD37: Chaz Schilens is only relevant to Raiders fans …
FACT.
nobody in the real world is projecting him to do anything special this season based on last years numbers/performance
keep drinking the Kool-Aid, maybe all that over analysis will change history. the only team in the league Chaz Schilens would start for today is the St. Louis Rams
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I don’t get it, RRS — How is it over-analysis to look at a player’s/team’s recent performances, look at their strengths and weaknesses…and then extrapolate data, and make hypotheses and projections based on real stats? That’s what scientists do…that’s what sports books do…and that’s what GM’s and football coaches do (at ALL levels of play).
It’s not like I said Chaz would catch 100 for 1,500-yards…
Chaz catching 4-5 balls per game for 900-110+ yards are pretty good figures, and probably close to what the Raiders are expecting from him this year…or we’ll be drafting HIS replacement next year (unless Chaz is more of the second-option WR for someone else who busts-out).
August 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
RRS
Ok fine be a buzz kill if you must.. Im just sayin when chaz goes off and starts scoring TDs you will be a big fan of his also…
August 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Chaz and DHB will start. DHB will be on the field!
•Forget about the drops for a moment…..DHB gets open regularly……….. and on these defensive backs, that’s no easy task. When defensive coordinator John Marshall admits that in his 30 years of coaching, “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had,” that’s saying something–……..and DHB is beating all of them….. Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, and Jerry Rice all had trouble catching the ball early in their careers and if DHB can be half as good as that trio with his hands, he’s worthy of a first-round selection…….. He’s beaten everyone from Nnamdi Asomugha ……to Darrick Brown and it will be interesting to see what he does in a game.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
RR SAYS:
pour sugar on that all day long, but it doesn’t change anything. He produced like a 7th Round draft pick. good for him. He made the team. he made a few catches in camp over guys like Darrick Brown, Jason Horton & John Bowie while Heyward-Bey was covered by Nnamdi. yippee!
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Don’t forget Chaz caught a nice one on Nnamdi in coverage according to Jerry’s tweets.
Don’t forget the TD agaist Barber in the TB game!
9-7!
CHAZ IS DA MAN! …Well, DMAC is da man, but Chaz is pretty damn hard!
DRINK UP
August 10th, 2009 at 11:56 am
he was also a rookie,playing with a 1st year starting QB, and we all know how much impact MOST rookie WRs have.but remember you NEED at least 3 or 4 top flight WRs and Chaz will be one of our top 3 or 4.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Surprise, surprise
The Raiders have a budding star receiver in Chaz Schilens. The second-year pro from San Diego State started six games for the team a season ago, and recorded 15 receptions for 226 yards (15.1 avg.). While those numbers aren’t eye-popping, his outstanding size (6-foot-4, 225 pounds) and explosive athleticism makes him a difficult matchup on the outside. With the Raiders’ potent rushing attack dictating eight-man fronts with one-on-one on the outside, Schilens could easily post big numbers as the team’s No. 1 receiver
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RRS, Just read this on NFL.com’s camp report of the Raiders. I know you weren’t talking to me, but here’s one example, and I have seen a few more. Folks outside of ESPN are really coming around.
http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811c7ba5&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
August 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
most Raider fans must be smarter than Cable, Davis and almost every media source out there …
we drafted Heyward-Bey to start 3 years from now and Schilens & Higgins are not only starters, but studs in our WR corps. Murphy is better than DHB too, right guys? DHB will only be used as a deep threat to run straight down the sideline and get 3 passes his way an entire game, right guys? Walker (when healthy) is nothing compared to Chaz & JLH, right guys?
such crazy statements and projections i’ve been reading since the draft!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Nice Link Jhill thanx….
August 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Well said Oak, in post 261…period!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
CHAZ > crabtree all day.
Work Ethic
Height
Speed
Verticle leap
Injuries
Chaz has had o work harder nothing given.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Sanjay just exactly where is your nose positioned?
“Firmly between Coach Davis’s butt cheeks”.
So why did you become a WR coach again?
“because I was a pathetic WR with no talent so basically I had no other options.”
August 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
most Raider fans must be smarter than Cable, Davis and almost every media source out there …
we drafted Heyward-Bey to start 3 years from now and Schilens & Higgins are not only starters, but studs in our WR corps. Murphy is better than DHB too, right guys? DHB will only be used as a deep threat to run straight down the sideline and get 3 passes his way an entire game, right guys? Walker (when healthy) is nothing compared to Chaz & JLH, right guys?
such crazy statements and projections i’ve been reading since the draft!
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Your quotes are based on what? Games havent been played and you call the facts… ROFLMAO
You are entitled to opine just like the rest of us here, dont make it seem as if it is fact its just your
opinion…..
August 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I didnt watch much of DHB in college games and I know the speed id why we got him, but when he was playing in college did any corners actually bump and run with him? Because if not its going to be interesting to see how he reacts to that.
I mean I sure SOME1 did at one point or another in college but how often and obviously not the calibre or corners he will see this year.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Here’s something to chew on…
Our Offense is practicing every day against what many people think could be one of the better pass-coverage teams in the league.
The veterans on the Defense know all the plays (even with new terminology, the same basic plays are run by all teams). The veterans who have seen JaMarcus for the past 2-years know his strenghts and weaknesses, and they know where the Offense typically breaks-down.
Yet…we keep hearing about the rookie WR’s doing well, even when going against the likes of Nnamdi. That is particularly important to note. If a guy like DHB can get a team’s best CB and a Safety to double him (allegedly inconsistent hands notwithstanding)…a guy like Chaz, or Zach, or DMC, or JLH, or Bush, is going to have LOTS of room to make noise.
Our rookies are getting a crash-course in how to be journeyman-level in a hurry — even if just to be a decoy on most plays…because we’ve got nobody else to count on.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RR-your reasoning is totally correct.however,sometimes a gem is found in the later rounds.Chaz just might be one of them due to his hard work.he could turn out to to more than anyone,including the staff,projected.or he could be just a very reliable 3,4,or 5 WR.when i see his progress up to this point,just imagine how good our WR core will be if he is our 4th or 5th WR.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/09/SPSB196BCF.DTL&feed=rss.raiders
your posting 2 quickly.. pffffft!!! thats so annoying
August 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
gotta eat BBL NATION!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Here’s something else to chew on…
Our Offense is practicing every day against what many people think could be one of the worst run defenses ever to exist!
When are we going to address this!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
A couple of things:
1. No need for Kool-Aid. This team can legitimately go out and win games with the talent on the field. Its about their continued development. I beleive an 8-8 or better record is more than possible. And all I am drinking is filtered tap water.
2. Who cares about Chaz Schilens draft status. If he works hard, catches the ball, blocks and does the things required…he can develop into whatever his talents will allow. He is the number 1 receiver on week 1.
3. DHB will not start. Cable said they will take it slow with him and Mitchell. DHB is still not showing the consistency plus they have other options to go with. DHB will get opportunities during each game…and will be brought along slowly. The starter next to Schilens will be Walker or JLH…
August 10th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
All right we get it MR
August 10th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Headbutt, I like the name BTW. DHB is getting first class training everyday in camp from one of the best corners to ever play.
He’s getting it on every snap, which is what I was alluding to with Crabtree. He hasn’t even rubbed shoulders yet.
DHB by Nnamdi’s estimation is a frightening sight if he beats the bump because the run aint happenin’ if you miss the bump. To bump and run with a player who is that strong and that fast is a scary proposition. It’s better to play off because very few can run with him. So While Nnamdi or CJ or Routt can run with him. That about completes it for the rest of the league.
I think what goes unnoticed about DHB is his size and athleticism. We focus on his speed for obvious reasons. But we’re talking about a kid who is a great athlete and physical. That’s why Nnamdi even has vary his coverage. There’s no way you can take a cover corner and say get that guy. If you do the score board may change.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Thank you BSJ!
Double R,
“if Chaz Schilens was a #1 WR future Pro Bowler we wouldn’t have drafted Heyward-Bey or Louis Murphy. Wouldn’t have kept Javon Walker either.
we had the least productive WR corps in the league last year. a group that included Schilens.”
Again Too harsh but it is hard to over look rure facts and folks Double R loves his Raiders and his kool-aid but he also knows that EVERY one has to play hard and earn a spot thats why we drafted..(to bad it wasnt a DT) young studs to go compete!
BUT AZ Im still on board
Javon CBPOTY!!!!!!!!
GALLERY TO THE PB!!!
9-7
COME RISE WITH US!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Chaz S all day everyday. Crabtree did not want to be a RAIDER……
CHAZ > crabtree from 2009-2020……
August 10th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
And…DHB was drafted to start. All draftees are drafted to start…IF they’re ready. Some are drafted to start immediately, even if they’re not ready. NONE are expected to start, and immediately play like an old pro. When that actually RARELY happens, owners do backflips and GM’s are called geniuses (and their utter failures are forgotten).
What DeSean Jackson did as a rookie is extremely rare…but he had those numbers because he was put in a position where the team used him more than most rookies are, and he responded. How he does this year, who knows…right now, he’s a sophomore with an injury, and we’ll see if his rookie year is improved upon this year. Maybe, maybe not. We may not hear much from him ’til year-3/4, like most rookie WR’s. I know this…he’ll benefit a lot if Maklin is the real deal. Just like Chaz will if DHB is the real deal.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
# Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Let me put it this way…what area of Jamarcus’ game needs the most improvement?
My opinion is audibles. I’ve been saying it all offseason. And I’m glad they are focusing on it, because it is an essential skill.
Race? Jesus, any young QB in his position would be learning to audible right now. And fans would be crossing their fingers.
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Needs the MOST improvement?
Let’s see.
Has horrible footwork.
Can’t read defenses.
Never checks down.
Easily fumbles
No touch on the ball
Can’t seem to find receiver.
Easily goes down the moment he’s touched.
Tough one….
Ok, I give up. Which is it?
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to b honest, NONE!!!!!! (xcept the fumbles, which should be taken care of with the emphasis on timing. the fumble here happened because Amobe O was to lazy to follow the PA play end got lucky. maybe he got chewed out on the sidelines since they got fooled around all day by the running game(yup. we have a legit running game, which is half the marbles) and Russells EXCELENT PA fakes! watch the play at 1:13 closely. answers most of your questions and gives you an idea of what to expect regularly facing the raiders.)
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So, according to YOU, Russell doesn’t have problems with footwork? missing wide open receivers? never checking down? reading defenses? etc etc??
have you ever actually watched the games?
What is it YOU see?
No, not talking about stats, which support exactly what I said, I’m talking about watching the #1 pick in the draft look totally lost, uninspired, and blase’ as he’s playing.
Here’s a little fact for ya..on EVERY RAIDER BOARD, bar none, there is a thread, sometimes multiple threads, stating if Russell can’t make major improvements this year, he’s officially a bust.
and yet here you are, stating the only problem he has is fumbling, which can be corrected?
talk about denial?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
DHB is going to start SnB. He, unlike Mitchell, as been exclusively running with the ones. He consistently getting open against the ones, so why would he not start?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Here’s something else to chew on…
Our Offense is practicing every day against what many people think could be one of the worst run defenses ever to exist!
When are we going to address this!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL this was awesome!! And I agree 100%
COMERISEWITHUS!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Raider Headbutt Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I didnt watch much of DHB in college games and I know the speed id why we got him, but when he was playing in college did any corners actually bump and run with him? Because if not its going to be interesting to see how he reacts to that.
I mean I sure SOME1 did at one point or another in college but how often and obviously not the calibre or corners he will see this year.
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forget about college bro. he is doin it against DBs fighting for nfl rosterspots. but like S&B said, i dont think he will start much if any in his first year. he will be build upin the gym first and brought along slowly on the field.
•Forget about the drops for a moment…..DHB gets open regularly……….. and on these defensive backs, that’s no easy task. When defensive coordinator John Marshall admits that in his 30 years of coaching, “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had,” that’s saying something–……..and DHB is beating all of them….. Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, and Jerry Rice all had trouble catching the ball early in their careers and if DHB can be half as good as that trio with his hands, he’s worthy of a first-round selection…….. He’s beaten everyone from Nnamdi Asomugha ……to Darrick Brown and it will be interesting to see what he does in a game.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I wonder if we are going to see some 4WR sets this year?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
This quote pretty much sums up where we are.
Tollner, “Until you do it, you’re just excited about potential. That’s our challenge.”
August 10th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
The Raiders drafted DHB because Javon Walker is a huge questionmark and the Schilens and JLH are still young and inexperienced.
Louis Murphy was drafted because of value. 4th round pick with all the intangibles.
Walker has a year or two left tops. You are not going to rely on him with his injury history.
Over the long-term…the Raiders will have a three receiver set of Schilens, DHB and (Murphy or JLH)….the Cardinals make it work with Boldin, Fitzgerald and Breaston.
Who on Oakland will assume what role? That’s what competition is for. But make no mistake…the long-term core is Schilens, DHB, JLH and Murphy.
Regardless of who starts on week 1….which won’t be DHB
August 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
no doubt!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Yes it will …
August 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Raider O…are you aout there?
Paging Raider O…
August 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Post 324, good post….next
August 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
DHB will not start. Cable said they will take it slow with him and Mitchell. DHB is still not showing the consistency plus they have other options to go with. DHB will get opportunities during each game…and will be brought along slowly. The starter next to Schilens will be Walker or JLH…
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Alright. so I post my opinions about Chaz Schilens (7th Rounder last year) and the nation goes into attack mode. Yet S&B makes these comments about Darrius Heyward-Bey (Top 10 draft pick) and nobody even questions it? hardly seems fair … looks like i’m not winning most popular poster of the year! I’m gonna go pout in the corner while you folks try to figure out why Chaz Schilens and his 15 catches are on your nice list and DHB is on your naughty list.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
And yes, he will start SnB. Give me a reason why we would not start the guy? In other words, if he is running with the ones all through camp, what is he going to do to lose that job?
Should I not pay attention to the fact that Eugene is running with the ones? Can I look for my boy Huff to start regardless?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Just wondering, RRS — What do YOU think Chaz’s numbers will look like?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
DHB is going to start SnB. He, unlike Mitchell, as been exclusively running with the ones. He consistently getting open against the ones, so why would he not start?
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I’ll cross Jhill off the DHB “hater list”
anybody else?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Nobody, RRS?
Ouch!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
That’s not an attack…it’s just wondering what you think the numbers will look like, and why?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
DHB is going to start SnB. He, unlike Mitchell, as been exclusively running with the ones. He consistently getting open against the ones, so why would he not start?
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Because he’s not catching the ball consistently. Because JLH is quietly doing his job. Because Javon Walker might still have stuff left in the tank.
Let’s wait and see what happens in a few of these exhibition games before we pick the #2 receiver.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
rico, youre in denial dogg. did you watch the clip i posted?
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Camp observations
» JaMarcus Russell, the Raiders’ much-maligned franchise quarterback, enters the season squarely in the crosshairs after reports surfaced questioning his work ethic and leadership skills. However, the endless speculation hasn’t appeared to rattle the third-year pro’s confidence as he looked poised leading the team during drills. Russell’s stellar arm strength is apparent on his deep throws and he has shown better touch on his intermediate tosses. While he still appears hesitant at times in the pocket, Russell’s grasp of the offense has clearly improved as he looks more comfortable hitting the second and third options in his progressions. With former Pro Bowler Jeff Garcia lobbying for a shot at the starting job, Russell’s on-field improvement comes at just the right time.
http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811c7ba5&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
August 10th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
If the Oline can give Russell 3 seconds on average we will be tough to deal with. As much as we’ve talked about the WR’s our HB’s out of the backfield will also be a huge factor in the passing game as everyone knows.
It’s up to the OLine to give him enough time to carve up some defenses. By midseason this should be fun to watch if we stay healthy.
Adios!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
DHB will not start. Cable said they will take it slow with him and Mitchell. DHB is still not showing the consistency plus they have other options to go with. DHB will get opportunities during each game…and will be brought along slowly. The starter next to Schilens will be Walker or JLH…
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Alright. so I post my opinions about Chaz Schilens (7th Rounder last year) and the nation goes into attack mode. Yet S&B makes these comments about Darrius Heyward-Bey (Top 10 draft pick) and nobody even questions it? hardly seems fair … looks like i’m not winning most popular poster of the year! I’m gonna go pout in the corner while you folks try to figure out why Chaz Schilens and his 15 catches are on your nice list and DHB is on your naughty list.
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You opined and asked for links I gave you did not respond. You can have an opinion but be prepared to
take what ever the NATION Brethren dish out.
That works both ways Bro, you dish pretty good,
You have attacked most who post in favor of Chaz so if you need to go into a corner so beit…..
August 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I don’t think you can determine If DHB is going to start until you see him in some pre season action.
Yes he is working with the ones all the time so I beleive chances are the spot is his to lose, If he
sh!ts the bed during pre and drops and runs some bad routes then we will see some1 else, but if they wanted one of the other WR to start over him they would be running them with the ones.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Repost:
“Again Too harsh but it is hard to over look ture facts and folks Double R loves his Raiders and his kool-aid but he also knows that EVERY one has to play hard and earn a spot thats why we drafted..(to bad it wasnt a DT) young studs to go compete!”
They all need work I feel ya Double R!!
And Bottom line aside from a few Morons WE ALL as a NATION want DHB=Freddie B, JLH=Jerry R, Chaz=Randy M, Murphy=Lynn S Javon=at least a 3rd string receiver who earns a 1/3 of his check,
And That we can agree on!!!!
COMERISEWITHUS!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I am not a DHB hater by any stretch. The Raiders don’t rush rookies anyway.
DMAC didn’t start his 1st year. Neither did JaMarcus Russell.
The youth will play as they develop. I don’t understand all the emotion on this one.
The exhibition games will tell us who is where on the depth charts
August 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
That hasn’t been a story since the 2nd practice SnB …
100%? No. But he is catching enough balls that it is no longer a story. I have no problem with him dropping a ball here or there, as long as he is making those other 3 or 4 grabs that will make him respect that speed. I guarantee you that he can beart everyone by 5 yards deep, drop the ball, and the DC will still make sure that S give help over the top. The fact that he is CONSISENTLY getting open is what we need.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
JHIll,
Good ole Hiram is seeing time on the ones and twos…Hiram sounds like a 19th century homesteader…anyway…Eugene and Huff will go down to the wire.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
going out on a limb…
Crabtree will either be the biggest bust of this years 1st round crop…
or he will not be playing football…
either way…
the niners are going to suck…
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AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
Congrats.
Dumbest Post of the Day.
And here you thought you couldn’t do it?
You don’t need me to post all of Crabtree’s awards, again, do you?
Zero reasons to state the best WR in the draft is going to be a bust, unless you’re a slow Raider fan who still is all butthurt that you’re stuck with Bey, who’s now at the stage that even Raider fans are admitting he won’t do ANYTHING this year, and is now at the “He’ll be a stud NEXT YEAR.”
Yep, lol, bust.
Again, Bey did nothing in college.
Has done nothing in camp.
Guy has two injuries, and hasn’t played a single down of football.
today’s report says he won’t play Thursday.
Great pick, Raiders *thumbs up*. You guys rock.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
That’s not an attack…it’s just wondering what you think the numbers will look like, and why?
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HD37: I wasn’t reffering to you specifically. pretty much everyone who responded to the Chaz comments in anger the past hour or whatever it’s been
Chaz had 15 catches, 226 yards and 2 TD’s in 16 games last year as a rookie. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be able to double those numbers this season.
Russell will be much improved. McFadden, Bush & Miller will play bigger roles in the receiving game as well. Lots of guys competing for balls. We’re a run oriented football team. We’ll run to set up the pass. I expect big things from Heyward-Bey & Higgins first & foremost. Schilens is a good player (not great). Murphy is impressing everybody in camp, which is a good sign. Anything from Walker would be an added bonus imo. Zach Miller is the only WR or TE on our team that demands respect from any NFL team as of now. I’m hoping that changes and changes quickly
August 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
i would trade Garcia for…
well…
his wife !!!!
yowsah !!!
August 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
You opined and asked for links I gave you did not respond.
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Thec07: First off, you didn’t post any links, Jhill did. Secondly, your original comment was this “Most “pundits” have Chaz as being a “sleeper” to have a breakout season”
does 1 link that you didn’t even post back up your claim regarding “most NFL experts/gurus” ???
August 10th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
I am looking for Chaz to have a big year. If he does not get hurt, I think he is good for 800 yards this year. If Walker goes down he will get there for sure.
Bold prediction Zach Miller makes the probowl if we win at least 8 games this year.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
i would trade Garcia for…
well…
his wife !!!!
yowsah !!!
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I would trade Garcia for his wife or his girlfriend/pet what ever, he had before his wife.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Ok Jerry where is the fix???
August 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
So let’s cut to the quick.
You accept the fact Bey sucks, and won’t be starting.
Instead you state ‘We have Chaz”
Except Chaz did squat last year.
“We have Walker”
Oh yeah, he’s scary, lol. He’s STILL injured, again. Last report is he’ll be doubtful for the first game OF THE SEASON.
“We have Higgins”
Oh yeah, the guy who led all WR’s for receptions last year, on the Raiders, with a massive, awesome display of 22 catches..
Honestly, how can anyone say the Raiders receiving situation is better than last year?
And last year it was one of the, if not THE worst in the NFL.
Should be fun, don’t you think?
August 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Raider Headbutt Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I don’t think you can determine If DHB is going to start until you see him in some pre season action.
Yes he is working with the ones all the time so I beleive chances are the spot is his to lose, If he
sh!ts the bed during pre and drops and runs some bad routes then we will see some1 else, but if they wanted one of the other WR to start over him they would be running them with the ones.
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Way to early to tell home slice! I hope he takes that spot but we will see he is a rookie, on the radar.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Bold prediction Zach Miller makes the probowl if we win at least 8 games this year.
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I agree with that CJ. Miller is a stud
Even ESPN ranks him 9th best in the NFL. I’d say he’s easily Top 5, because he’s equally impressive as a blocker (not a one trick pony receiving option like Greg Olsen)
August 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Another prediction!
DMAC will fake a sweep one time in the preseason and throw a bomb to DHB and a stop and go route.
No doubt, no doubt.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
You opined and asked for links I gave you did not respond.
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Thec07: First off, you didn’t post any links, Jhill did. Secondly, your original comment was this “Most “pundits” have Chaz as being a “sleeper” to have a breakout season”
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Wrong Posted them twice for you:
Post 295
Post 313
August 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
WAIT!!
Running backs.
Yeah…there’s the Raider’s weapon.
Had all three last year.
Let’s see how they did.
All three COMBINED for a total of 8 td’s.
None avg. more than 4.4 ypc.
Oh yeah, that’s it.
Definitely weapons.
Like bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight..scary stuff.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Honestly, how can anyone say the Raiders receiving situation is better than last year?
And last year it was one of the, if not THE worst in the NFL.
Should be fun, don’t you think?
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Darrius Heyward-Bey & Louis Murphy can’t be any worse than Curry & Lelie … the passing game will also improve with more of Miller, DMC & Bush in the mix. We drafted Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option. Fargas isn’t the starter anymore. another year under Russell’s belt, this time with experienced coaches to groom him and clean up some crucial parts of his game. Better blocking from the o-line minus Kwame Harris should help as well.
Russell should have 3200 yards, 20 TD’s and fewer fumbles this year. That would be good enough progress in Year #2 as the starter
August 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
August 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
hey guys and keep in mind that both Richochet and I have very very small boy parts….and we used to well up till last week bath in our 49 jammies together…but I think he is right about crabtree he could be good!!!! man I should buy a Vet
August 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
this site is broken…
i’ve lost 4 comments today to the ever helpful “slow down you are posting to quickly”…
i guess this site can’t handle one post per hour…
i am out…
August 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Wrong Posted them twice for you:
Post 295
Post 313
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False. #295 was a post from lefty12. #313 no links or articles present
Try Again. Sorry Thec07
August 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
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links please. NEXT
August 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Posting advice….
Copy your post before hitting the “submit comment” button. If you get the “posting too fast” then hit the back button and re-paste your comment…
August 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
http://justblogbaby.com/2009/08/10/the-10-worst-moments-of-the-last-six-years-of-raider-football/
cold read….
August 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
—–ADVICE—–
On explorer all you have to do is push back and your text you wrote will actually appear if you wait
August 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Wrong Posted them twice for you:
Post 295
Post 313
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False. #295 was a post from lefty12. #313 no links or articles present
Try Again. Sorry Thec07
I did post them RR, but they say awaiting moderation….
August 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Well I see Every body is partying over @ Bobbies moms basement again using all the Dail up she has to offer whats up smellas?????
August 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Hey I am not breaking any rules why are my comments being moderated??????
August 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
RRS — That’s a better analysis. Don’t agree, but I get where you’re coming from.
RaiderRockstar Says:
Chaz had 15 catches, 226 yards and 2 TD’s in 16 games last year as a rookie. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be able to double those numbers this season.
Russell will be much improved. McFadden, Bush & Miller will play bigger roles in the receiving game as well. Lots of guys competing for balls. We’re a run oriented football team. We’ll run to set up the pass. I expect big things from Heyward-Bey & Higgins first & foremost. Schilens is a good player (not great). Murphy is impressing everybody in camp, which is a good sign. Anything from Walker would be an added bonus imo. Zach Miller is the only WR or TE on our team that demands respect from any NFL team as of now. I’m hoping that changes and changes quickly
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Even if we run to set-up the pass…JaMarcus will be throwing the ball between 20-30x a game usually. IF he were to complete 20-balls per…that could easily be 4-catches each, for 5 different receivers (how’s that for spreading it around!).
Let’s go back and look at Chaz’s stats again…you say he should be able to double them this year. In the few games where Chaz was a target, he averaged around 2-catches per game.
If he’s targeted more this year (and camp indications are he’s the best WR on the field right now)…and doubles those average stats (which you admit he can do)…then he should be able to catch 4-balls per game.
If Chaz averages less than 3-catches per game this year, it will be because another Raiders WR really busts-out of the pack and becomes an NFL star…or Zach Miller catches something like 100-balls…or the Raiders Offense isn’t much better than last year.
Otherwise, those 20-ish completions per game JaMarcus makes will be spread-out pretty evenly among his receivers, IMO.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Wrong Posted them twice for you:
Post 295
Post 313
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810736b9&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
False. #295 was a post from lefty12. #313 no links or articles present
Try Again. Sorry Thec07
I did post them RR, but they say awaiting moderation….
August 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RR, I will post then one at a time as i am being moderated. I did respond to your comments but the mods
are acting weird today….
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/181322-the-schottey-six-top-breakout-candidates-for-2009
August 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RR, I will post then one at a time as i am being moderated. I did respond to your comments but the mods
are acting weird today….
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/nfl_wr/aCRYA76AXVE3ukf5JGhxGBcWTDXVEBpp
August 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
RR, This should be four,
http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/07/nfl-outsider-season-preview-2009-oakland-raiders.html
August 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
WAIT!!
Running backs.
Yeah…there’s the Raider’s weapon.
Had all three last year.
Let’s see how they did.
All three COMBINED for a total of 8 td’s.
None avg. more than 4.4 ypc.
Oh yeah, that’s it.
Definitely weapons.
Like bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight..scary stuff.
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Rich,
Rich,
Our backs were hurt last year. The yardage is deceiving because DMAC and Bush individually had a couple big games to inflate the #s. They do need to stay healthy and have some consistent 100 yard plus games and that should equate over to ball control = wins. Now opponents big special teams play and running on our D being weak could change that outcome.
What I do find exciting (besides garcia’s wife : ))
is our passing game stunk and many games they new DMAC or Bush could burn them and they were able to get big yards anyway. If Cable is smart enough to get Bush and DMAC more touches watch out man, watch out!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
COLD READ:
1. Inonewordraider Says:
has any one seen our long lost brethran he has posted on the cold read aricle Shout out Inone!!!!!!!!
Come rise with us!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
yo Thec the mods gonna get you… LOL That guy has no sense of humor..
August 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I was watching that ‘John Madden: Road to Canton’ on NFL network and I thought it was interesting that even Madden use to get so frustrated that they always called him Al’s puppet when he wasnt. I guess somethings never change.
Madden said he use to use it to his advantage. He could be a complete Ahole and blame it on Al.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RR, In case you didnt get this one Chaz Schilens break out:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810736b9&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
August 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
BTW, guys KNBR’s Murph an Mac had a pretty good DHB interview today.
http://www.knbr.com/pages/murphandmac
August 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
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links please. NEXT
http://dynastyrogues.com/article/?id=82
August 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
CJ Legend 34
Ok chad johnson34, look Richochet’s peenis is soooo large in comparison to mine how could you even question him I’mean a whole whopping 4 inches is something to ride home about!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Thanks Tay!!! good stuff!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
http://a465.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/87/l_45038d9f722a5af225da78e010227238.jpg
me and my boy!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Is everyone done arguing over whos’ opinion is the right opinion????? LOL…
Can’t really call eachother names until we can compare the FACT with the OPINION, AFTER what ever senario your placing your opinion on acually fanifests itself into reallity…
Even then, the name calling is childish LOL…
9-7!
1000 FOR CHAZ THIS YEAR NATION!
53 MEN, COUNTLESS FANS, ONE PURPOSE!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
LOL @ supertroll whoever the RadierRon troll is is genious did any one click that link????? LMAO it is him and his bro or what ever he called it!!1 LOL They all look the same to me!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
August 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
time to leave but keep in mind that Richochet has very very small peeenis VERY short not very fat either but it suits him well and now good bye my friends its story time!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
408, Yeah accused jerry, and his site admin of being the biggest trolls on this blog.
No wonder…..
August 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
FREE DIRTY!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Nevermind on signing Shaun Smith we already have one DT throwing punches:
BROWNS Smith
Cleveland Browns release Shaun Smith
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Mary Kay Cabot
Browns outspoken defensive lineman Shaun Smith, who clashed with defensive line coach Bryan Cox in practice on Friday and reportedly punched Brady Quinn in the face in December, was released by the team Saturday morning.
“We needed to create a roster spot,” Mangini said. “We’ll eventually sign a player. We haven’t done that yet.”
Smith, who played end and backup nose tackle, was already on thin ice with some in the orga nization for his mouthiness and for his weight-room altercation with Quinn. At the time, Quinn was on injured reserve with a broken finger.
But Mangini insisted that he based his decision solely on what he’s seen of Smith since he and his new staff took over.
And what they saw during Friday night’s practice wasn’t what they’re looking for.
While the rest of the linemen were jogging to a different part of the field for position drills, Smith walked and lagged far behind. “Come on, dog, you’re walking on me,” said the tough-nosed Cox, a former NFL player who’s popular with most of the linemen.
Smith half-heartedly joined the others, but seemed reluctant to participate in the drills, which involved two lineman squaring off to practice handwork and footwork.
At one point, Cox, noticing that Smith wasn’t participating, said, “If you’ve got a problem, if there’s something wrong with your back, you need to go get some treatment.”
Cox motioned a trainer over to check on Smith, but Smith waved him off and joined the drills. Some of Smith’s friends, including fellow lineman Robaire Smith, who was into the drill against Shaun Rogers despite still recovering from Achilles tendon surgery, talked to Shaun Smith on the side.
A little while later, while the linemen rejoined the rest of the team, Cox talked to Shaun Smith one-on-one for a few minutes. The next morning, Smith was gone. Whether or not it was the last straw in a string of missteps is unknown. Smith did not respond to a text, and his agent, Jonathan Feinsod, declined to comment.
A source said Smith, who started 19 games over the past two seasons here, told him he didn’t do anything wrong and has no idea why he was released. Another source said quite a few teams are interested in signing the sixth-year pro.
In June, a source told The Plain Dealer that defensive coaches told Smith in a meeting to “shape up and shut up.” He came into camp significantly down from his 325-pound playing weight and toned it down during camp. The mouth that roared the previous two camps was buttoned up. One day last week, when Smith shouted at one of the high school refs working camp to get a rulebook, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan quickly stepped in and calmed him down.
Smith, signed as an unrestricted free agent in 2007, was close with most of the defensive players, especially the linemen, but not all of the offensive linemen appreciated his constant trash-talking, which he said he did to keep things lively during practice and games. Last season, Seth McKinney had to be held back from going after Smith, a source said.
But former coach Romeo Crennel appreciated Smith’s sense of humor and was apparently satisfied enough with his explanation of the Quinn skirmish to keep him around.
With Smith gone, second-year lineman Ahtyba Rubin, the Browns’ sixth-round pick in 2008 out of Iowa State, will most likely see more action behind Rogers and in the line rotation. The Browns also have rookie Adam Hoppel and C.J. Mosley working at nose.
“I really like Rubin,” said Mangini. “Rubin is just a consistent guy. He comes in, works like crazy, is stout against the run, and has really improved his hand placement. I like all the things I’ve seen from him.”
Smith, who was signed through 2010, seemed to know he was living on borrowed time ever since the Quinn incident. On Monday, he told The (Elyria) Chronicle-Telegram, “When the new regime came in, they could’ve easily gotten rid of me if they wanted to. They were cleaning house. Evidently they saw something that was intriguing enough to even keep me around and give me a fair opportunity to come back. They could’ve easily said go home.”
On Saturday, they did.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
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links please. NEXT
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http://www.barracudasports.com/viewArticle.aspx?id=957
August 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
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links please. NEXT
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Has him rated above your boy crabtree, and could go higher if he becomes a number 1……
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Position-tiers.html
August 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
thanks for the links Thec. good job bro
AZ is right. debate adds sour grapes to the sweet Kool-Aid flavor. I hope Chaz Schilens has a good soph season. I want all the Raiders to play well actually. I wasn’t calling anybody names though! We just have a difference of opinion in projections for next season, we means what exactly? NOTHING. I could be right, could be wrong. same as you. we won’t know until the games are played.
Michael Huff to the Pro Bowl! starter at FS. woohoo!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
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links please. NEXT
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http://www.notjustagame.com/2009/08/03/641/
August 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I still think the story of camp is OO.Everybody else is progressing and thats great but they didnt even know if OO would play.Man he can people on their azz to protect Jmac,and he is quick enough 2 catch the safty-valve pass and make good yards,like 5 or 6 yards.Do that 2 a defence,make them respect and…
K-A-P-O-W K-A-P-O-W…
And any of our speedsters will score.Our FB IS HEALTHY!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
my boy Crabtree? LOL …
I admit, I wanted Crabtree prior to the draft because he’s a talented football player. However, Since then I’ve been pleased with the Darrius Heyward-Bey selection and have not partaken of the hateraid you’re still sippin’
Actually, on draft day I was surprised to see Eugene Monroe still on the board and would have taken him in a heartbeat!
S&B made the Chaz vs. Crabs comparison, not me …
August 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Not to mention most fantasy leagues have him as a sleeper, as well…next
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links please. NEXT
http://www.beastorbust.com/view_rankings.php?id=5
August 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
There ya go RR, I wasn’t saying YOU were name calling, but you know half of the “debates” in here get Trolled up and turn into 4th grade name calling sessions.
I was just pointing out that we are ALL suposed to be Raider fans in here. I try and ignore the ones that don’t fit the mold
August 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
my boy Crabtree? LOL …
I admit, I wanted Crabtree prior to the draft because he’s a talented football player. However, Since then I’ve been pleased with the Darrius Heyward-Bey selection and have not partaken of the hateraid you’re still sippin’
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Wrong again Bro….. I dont hate crabtree… i wanted crabtree… but to compare him to chaz is no comparision.
Also the links i posted quite a few…Next
August 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
How much do you play Russell & Co Thursday?
I’d like to see him and his recievers play at least a Qtr.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
thanks for the links Thec. good job bro
AZ is right. debate adds sour grapes to the sweet Kool-Aid flavor. I hope Chaz Schilens has a good soph season. I want all the Raiders to play well actually. I wasn’t calling anybody names though! We just have a difference of opinion in projections for next season, we means what exactly? NOTHING. I could be right, could be wrong. same as you. we won’t know until the games are played.
Michael Huff to the Pro Bowl! starter at FS. woohoo!
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No Prob Bro, we are good.
1 NATION
August 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
JRuss will be a great QB starting this year. He has progressed so much since his rookie year. DHB on the other hand will hopefully be able to give us something this year. I do not count on much from “manos de piedros” (DHB). The guy has already had hamstring problems, and now his toe is bothering him? Give me a break, you are the 7th pick of the draft, get your butt out there and practice. DHB gets a hang nail and he will be sitting out the game. Heaven forbid he gets a fever blister on his lip. Our right side of the 0-line is looking very week, there is not way we can go into the season with Green as the starter and Seth Wand as the backup.
GO RAIDERS!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Tay,
Listening to that shyt right now, thanks bro!
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DHB says he don’t read the blog
. How does he get all my shout-outs????!!????
JK
LOL
9-7!
DRINK UP!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
How much do you play Russell & Co Thursday?
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first half. NEXT
LOL
August 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
ROFLMAO post 406…..
August 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
How much do you play Russell & Co Thursday?
I’d like to see him and his recievers play at least a Qtr
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I would like to see that too. But I think it will depend on how well their first couple drives go, if they go out and are successful with what they are trying, you might not even see the full qtr
August 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
How much do you play Russell & Co Thursday?
I’d like to see him and his recievers play at least a Qtr.
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I say 2-3 series max. They are gonna want him to get one in the End Zone, so if he struggles you might see 3 series. If he drives down steady and scores a TD on the first series Cable will pull him.
IMO
August 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
DHB on the other hand will hopefully be able to give us something this year. I do not count on much from “manos de piedros” (DHB). The guy has already had hamstring problems, and now his toe is bothering him? Give me a break, you are the 7th pick of the draft, get your butt out there and practice. DHB gets a hang nail and he will be sitting out the game. Heaven forbid he gets a fever blister on his lip.
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I’m waiting for somebody to set this guy on fire for his comments regarding Darrius Heyward-Bey. my guess? it won’t happen… most Raider fans probably agree
Chaz Schilens = #1 WR stud
DHB = bust
August 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Headbutt, funny we were typing the same shyt at the same time LOL.
1 NATION FASHO! LOL
August 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
A qtr no matter how many series, unless they score TD’s on the first 2 posessions then it moot….
August 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Honestly, how can anyone say the Raiders receiving situation is better than last year?
And last year it was one of the, if not THE worst in the NFL.
Should be fun, don’t you think?
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Darrius Heyward-Bey & Louis Murphy can’t be any worse than Curry & Lelie … the passing game will also improve with more of Miller, DMC & Bush in the mix. We drafted Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option. Fargas isn’t the starter anymore. another year under Russell’s belt, this time with experienced coaches to groom him and clean up some crucial parts of his game. Better blocking from the o-line minus Kwame Harris should help as well.
Russell should have 3200 yards, 20 TD’s and fewer fumbles this year. That would be good enough progress in Year #2 as the starter
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Hmmm..not sure about the above.
First off, Miller, McFadden, and/or Bush were always in the mix last year, with only Miller shining.
Saying Bey and Murphy “can’t be any worse” doesn’t exactly help the argument that the Raider passing game will be much improved, or even improved, for that matter.
Bey, at this point, is a project. Can’t even count on him suiting up, considering he’s already getting the “injury prone” tag before tackle one.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
DHB on the other hand will hopefully be able to give us something this year. I do not count on much from “manos de piedros” (DHB). The guy has already had hamstring problems, and now his toe is bothering him? Give me a break, you are the 7th pick of the draft, get your butt out there and practice. DHB gets a hang nail and he will be sitting out the game. Heaven forbid he gets a fever blister on his lip.
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I’m waiting for somebody to set this guy on fire for his comments regarding Darrius Heyward-Bey. my guess? it won’t happen… most Raider fans probably agree
Chaz Schilens = #1 WR stud
DHB = bust
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Chaz Schilens = Great reciever in progress…
Darrius Heyward-Bey = A star in the making…
Whoa! IMO!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
For some reason, I keep thinking this team needs to work harder and they need to be disciplined far more and they need to run more, so they can be conditioned to the max.
These team needs to be kicked in the rear more…..
August 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
1 NATION AZ, I hope they are on fire to start that game
August 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Oh heeeeeeelllllllllllllllllll no I missed it again!! WTF Thec why didnt you get my back on the 408??? LOL
August 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Dang bro, I can give a R*ts A** about the damn pre-season game so long as the Starters march down and put 6 on the board right off, as they should in the PS. September 14th is THE REAL DEAL BABY!
Can’t wait for that Headbutt, that is fasho!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
These team needs to be kicked in the rear more…..
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Mark Schlereth on NFL Live always discribes Tom Cable as a great football coach and a no nonsense guy, which surprises me to hear that considering his hatred for the Raiders. Cable describes Kiffin’s coaching methods as “soft”
maybe Cable will bring his steel toe boots & cattle prod to work?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Post 413,
you opined beutifully, but you failed to address the answers that were provided.
We drafted Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option.
experienced coaches to groom him and clean up some crucial parts of his game.
another year under Russell’s belt.
A SOLID LT in Henderson..
I like how you glossed over a descrepancy, and yet totally failed to metiuon the other parts of the post….
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Now DHB is injury prone????
Man o man you are really reaching for something, aren’t you?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Thec
oh my bad now it says Richochet got comment 408.. Doh!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
408, I was embattled in a disccusion with a RAIDER Brethren. My bad homie, wont happen again…..
August 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
The starters should get 2 series at the most, and some of the starters shouldn’t get more than a few plays.
All I need to see is DHB get behind someone, Bush run over someone, and DMac break into the open field. Once all that happens, they can have the rest of the night off.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I think Russell initially will be able to get things going with Chaz, Higgins, Miller, DMac.
Bey, Murphy, Walker worked in eventually.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Gotta go NATION, it has been fun….the fire was
lit, the torch must be passed.
Dont you just hate all these other imposter nations….
Only 1 true NATION, the original NATION,
THE RAIDER NATION…….
August 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Post 413,
you opined beutifully, but you failed to address the answers that were provided.
We drafted Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option.
experienced coaches to groom him and clean up some crucial parts of his game.
another year under Russell’s belt.
A SOLID LT in Henderson..
I like how you glossed over a descrepancy, and yet totally failed to metiuon the other parts of the post….
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WHA WHA WHat? Me Me Me?????????????????? Na man, I just don’t know what your reffering to cuz.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Speaking of pre season…what you guys think about the idea to ake the reguldar season longer and not have as many pre games?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
sure is a lot of good raider talk going on in here.. Chaz is the Man IMO.. been sayin it since last year.. All you non believers will change your tune soon enough… Bush is a beast and Miller will make the PB…
August 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
WHA WHA WHat? Me Me Me??????????????????
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AZ: I love me some me!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
AZ Raider Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Post 413,
you opined beutifully, but you failed to address the answers that were provided.
We drafted Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option.
experienced coaches to groom him and clean up some crucial parts of his game.
another year under Russell’s belt.
A SOLID LT in Henderson..
I like how you glossed over a descrepancy, and yet totally failed to metiuon the other parts of the post….
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WHA WHA WHat? Me Me Me?????????????????? Na man, I just don’t know what your reffering to cuz.
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Not you Bro, the modes moved the post was speaking on
the one just above your 412 my bad.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
All you non believers will change your tune soon enough…
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408: are you speaking for the Raiders or the nation of 1slam?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
The Raiders usually take it easy on rookies getting playing time. I don’t think DHB will be treated any differently than Darren McFaddenor JaMarcus Russell. Both of them played a secondary role to a starter.
McFadden will be platooned in his 2nd season. Why are people so upset with the prospect of DHB playing a platoon or secondary role.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Only 1 true NATION, the original NATION,
THE RAIDER NATION…….
August 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I’m still looking for a reason why DHB won’t start. Especially since he is ALREADY RUNNING WITH THE ONES! NOt rotating in and out, but exclusively running with the ones, with JLH getting nothing but 2nd team reps.
We drafted DHB to provide that deep “THREAT” that will open up things for everyone else. He is already doing the job in practice, so why is the job not his to lose?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
S&B: I’d hate to see DHB get wally pipped
August 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Now DHB is injury prone????
Man o man you are really reaching for something, aren’t you?
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Not my comments, saying it’s now popping up on different reports.
How can you argue it?
Two injuries in non-contact drills, before even the first preseason game?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RRS…
LOL Im speaking 4 myself.. Dude whats ur beef with chaz??
August 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
The 1st team offense should play at least a quarter and possibly more. They need to get the timing down and they just need reps. This is a young team trying to figure it out….not a veteran team working out the kinks.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Zach Miller, Huff, Howard, Morrison, Gallery and a few others started from day 1. JRuss should have played a lot earlier instead of McClown even with the holdout.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I’m still looking for a reason why DHB won’t start. Especially since he is ALREADY RUNNING WITH THE ONES! NOt rotating in and out, but exclusively running with the ones, with JLH getting nothing but 2nd team reps.
We drafted DHB to provide that deep “THREAT” that will open up things for everyone else. He is already doing the job in practice, so why is the job not his to lose?
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You must be reading different reports.
Bey has been very very inconsistent. More drops and bobbles than catches.
Yeah, he’s given every chance to prove their #7 pick wasn’t a bad one. Team already knows what Higgins can/can’t do. Now they’re giving Bey every opportunity to see if he can step in.
And the verdict is???
August 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Two injuries? A toe that had him suited up and working with Southwick catching balls?
The guy has not missed one game yet, but he is already injury prone?
Same with DMac, I just don’t get the “prone” part of it. A guy gets hurt for the first time and he’s all of a sudden an injury concern. Is Tom Brady injury prone?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Richochet Says:
First off, Miller, McFadden, and/or Bush were always in the mix last year, with only Miller shining.
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Wrong, Richochet/troll –
Metaphorically speaking…Miller, DMC and Bush are like pears, apples and oranges — nothing at all alike, in terms of development…
Miller: already established himself as a rookie before last season…DMC: Thrust onto the scene and battered (for Lance) to prove a point, almost ruining his rookie year (and more)…Bush: Never given the shot he deserved (in year #2), by neither Lance nor Cable until he was almost wasted.
But, R/troll — they each had at least SOME moments where they shined bright. And that’s what you hope to get from young players.
In years 2 & 3, you expect improvement. You don’t hope for it, you EXPECT it…and history shows that is when the biggest gains are made for the majority of NFL players starting their careers.
You got nothin’ R/troll…
Just hopin’ the team fails, that’s all you got…and that’s not a credible way to defend ones position in a debate.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
S&B: McCown & Culpepper started in place of Russell his rookie season
Fargas started in place of McFadden his rookie season
Mike Williams & Tim Dwight got more playing time than Higgins his rookie season
Curry & Lelie started ahead of Chaz Schilens his rookie season
Barry Sims & Kwame Harris started in place of Mario Henderson his first two years
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S&B: you want to continue this trend of starting average vets over talented rookies? I don’t!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
DHB is probably running with the ONE’S so he can study under Nnamdi.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
4evaRaider – good point with OO. Might not seem like news to many fans but his health should bring HUGE returns. I’m also juiced about his return.
RR – I really wanted Monroe but, oh well. I’ll take DHB over Crabtree. What a diva. The antics by him and his entourage in the waiting room (wiping their forehead in relief) were unacceptable. Stupid too. If you expect to be drafted top 5 or 10, got news for you. You’re going to a bad team. And it’s up to you to help turn them around.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Ok Dude … I mean Richochet …
Show me the reports your reading where it says he is dropping more balls than he is catching. 2 or 3 balls a practice? You really think he is only getting 10 or less balls thrown his way per practice?
Chuckle, chuckle …
August 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
going out on a limb…
Crabtree will either be the biggest bust of this years 1st round crop…
or he will not be playing football…
either way…
the niners are going to suck…
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AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
Congrats.
Dumbest Post of the Day.
And here you thought you couldn’t do it?
You don’t need me to post all of Crabtree’s awards, again, do you?
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Wow. Where did this guy come from??? He is stupider than most of the really stupid posters in here and that is saying something. So, this guy is going to post Crabtree’s college awards. That PROVES he was the best wide receiver available. If that were the case, then Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, and Jason White would be tearing up the league with their Heismans! The reason we didn’t draft Crabtree is he is a PAIN IN THE ASS, and wouldn’t sign. I don’t care how good he is, if he doesn’t sign it doesn’t matter. Last time I looked, dude hadn’t signed.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
“S&B: you want to continue this trend of starting average vets over talented rookies? I don’t!”
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Why are you asking SnB? It’s Raider philosophy not his.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I’m still looking for a reason why DHB won’t start. Especially since he is ALREADY RUNNING WITH THE ONES! NOt rotating in and out, but exclusively running with the ones, with JLH getting nothing but 2nd team reps.
We drafted DHB to provide that deep “THREAT” that will open up things for everyone else. He is already doing the job in practice, so why is the job not his to lose?
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Explain how this deep threat is supposed to work. DHB still has to develop into a complete receiver. Not just a guy trying to run 9 routes all game.
We will see in the exhibition games. He has to become more consistent in his catching ability. Not just be some decoy. You and I both know that isn’t going to work. What will work is DHB being able to be a reliable receiver short, intermediate and then hopefully long too.
My guess is that DHB is getting all the reps that he can get. They know what JLH can do….and Walker is the veteran. My guess is Cable is trying to get DHB up to speed as fast as possible. I still don’t think he will start though. Darren McFadden doesn’t start….if he doesn’t start…its not impossible to think DHB won’t start either.
How many deep throws will you see in a game? 4 or 5? The game will be won short and intermediate….a strong running game and play action
August 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Raider Headbutt Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Speaking of pre season…what you guys think about the idea to ake the reguldar season longer and not have as many pre games?
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I’m all for it. I’m done buying preseason tix packaged with my season tix. Won’t do it anymore. If they want my business, it’s either more real games and less fluff or I’ll just wait until the season starts to re-up.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Oakglenn Says:
August 9th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dmac20, the Raiders had trouble against the run last year, because teams could run at them all day long. the reason teams could run at them all day long, was they didn;t put up points. Once the Raiders start scoring, teams can’t rely on the run. Once they can’t do that, they play into the Raiders strength, which is their pass defense. Until the Raiders start putting up points, we are going to see teams run the ball. See post #27.
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Well gosh, Glenn..I thought the reason teams ran on the Raider all day long was because the D line totally sucks.
Wait.
Yep, just checked. They really..REALLY…suck.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
See, when you have success running it, and you’re ahead, you don’t risk turnovers in the air. The fact teams run, pretty much at will, AND were ahead indicates the D line was pathetic.
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Moving on to this post, if what this knucklehead says is true, then the Raiders should have been giving up 100 yards a game on the ground, in the lst half of each and every game. Other than the Atlanta game, and maybe one other, they actually played WELL early in games. If what I was saying is right, then in the 2nd half of games, when our offense was doing nothing, opponents would bust some runs. Seems like what happened to me. Of course, I actually watch the games.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
The major thing that stands out in my mind why I think DHB will start is not just because he is running with the ones, its that Nnamdi himself has said that he needs to be careful covering him because of the speed.
When one of, if not the best, corners in the NFL goes and says this about a rookie it pretty much says he is going to make an impact.
Mayb not with stats mind you, but the way defense must play against him and the team.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Higgins has been solid throughout camp, but the only time he’s on the field with the one’s is when they run a three-receiver set. Otherwise, he’s practicing with the second team.
•Speaking of rookie receivers, Darrius Heyward-Bey continues to get himself open when being guarded by a defender…….. The only problem is that he also continues to have problems catching the ball. In the few opportunities that he had tonight, I credited him with two and a half drops. The half drop came when he was a little overthrown and he got a hand on the ball. Taking that away, he had two bad drops–one coming as he was wide open with four defenders in the area. The other drop was a lot harder to catch as it sailed through the hands of Thomas Howard before also sailing through his. Even with his inconsistent hands, I like his progress. After practice, he and Nick Miller were taking rep’s. on the juggs machine.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Statistically speaking, DHB is still likely to be a ?? in our minds a year from now. If he’s not a ??, then it means he either made a big impact or he’s an early bust.
There’s absolutely nothing to indicate DHB will be an early bust, in fact he’s drawing plenty of praise from those who would be his harshest critics — the Coaches and Defensive players who have faced him for the past week+.
So far, it appears DHB is at least as ready to play as ANY other WR taken in the draft…and, as long as his injury is minor, and he misses but a few sessions, there isn’t anything major to worry about — he’s a healthy specimen.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I don’t know why you say just 9 routes, SnB!
Speaking of rookie receivers, Darrius Heyward-Bey continues to get himself open when being guarded by a defender……..
DHB gets open regularly……….. and on these defensive backs, that’s no easy task. When defensive coordinator John Marshall admits that in his 30 years of coaching, “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had,” that’s saying something–……..and DHB is beating all of them….. Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, and Jerry Rice all had trouble catching the ball early in their careers and if DHB can be half as good as that trio with his hands, he’s worthy of a first-round selection…….. He’s beaten everyone from Nnamdi Asomugha ……to Darrick Brown
August 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Gotta run.
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
There’s no “Justin Fargas” ahead of DHB, SnB.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
And you’re telling me that drop or not, DHB getting 5 yards behind the defense won’t make the DC adjust?
Drops 2, catches 2 equals 14 pts!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
DHB’s greatest contribution this year will be to clear out defenders for the underneath routes. Routes that Higgins, Shilens, and Murphy have as their strengths, routes that if Dmac can burn a LB will result in big gains, and deep seam routes for Zach Miller, which just happen to be Jamarcus’ strength right now.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Why are you asking SnB? It’s Raider philosophy not his.
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because he’s defending this Raiders policy as reason for why Heyward-Bey should sit & learn instead of play as a rookie. I think the best players should play, rookie or not. If Al Davis wants to win now, he’ll agree. Aren’t you guys tired of the same old song & dance? If DHB needs a confidence boost, let him start Week 1 and burn Antonio Cromartie for 6. That should do the trick!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
And the adjustments to DHB will open things up even more for everyone else.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
DHB’s greatest contribution this year will be to clear out defenders for the underneath routes. Routes that Higgins, Shilens, and Murphy have as their strengths, routes that if Dmac can burn a LB will result in big gains, and deep seam routes for Zach Miller, which just happen to be Jamarcus’ strength right now.
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Exactly! PPL are putting too much emphasis on what DHB will do this year, rather than how he effects the game, im interested if the TEAM benefits from him being on the field, not his individual stats.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Oakglen, everybody is so stupid. Whatever you say is right & everybody is wrong. We are all morons. We dont know football. Your opinion is all that matters.
Isn’t sarcasm beautiful?
Oakglen, are you a sociopath? Have you been diagnosed ? Hurry up and get help medical help before Barb@ck 0bam@ starts rationing our health care, leaving you high & dry!
# Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Moving on to this post, if what this knucklehead says is true, then the Raiders should have been giving up 100 yards a game on the ground, in the lst half of each and every game. Other than the Atlanta game, and maybe one other, they actually played WELL early in games. If what I was saying is right, then in the 2nd half of games, when our offense was doing nothing, opponents would bust some runs. Seems like what happened to me. Of course, I actually watch the games.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
DHB as a one-dimensional WR clear-out decoy, aint worth shyt. Ask Randy Moss about that role in Oakland.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
And then of course, they’ll bring up the S once they get tired of getting hit underneath, and then BOOM! Chaz over the top for 6 when they least expected it!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Two injuries? A toe that had him suited up and working with Southwick catching balls?
The guy has not missed one game yet, but he is already injury prone?
Same with DMac, I just don’t get the “prone” part of it. A guy gets hurt for the first time and he’s all of a sudden an injury concern. Is Tom Brady injury prone?
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What’s your description of injury prone?
“easy to injure” should fall somewhere in there, right?
fluke or not, it’s keeping him out of practice.
Read where Cable was inquiring if it was turf toe. Bey stated was just a sprained toe. Team is keeping him out of practice, at least at that time..not sure about today or tomorrow.
They also stated the “injury” is going to keep him out of Thursdays game.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
LOL @ Kelly.
see you fellas tomorrow
5pm in Podunk
August 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Yeah thats what you’re looking for from your #1 pick. Just have him run down field as a decoy. That will help his development as a route runner, wont it? That will keep him mentally into the game, wont it? Yeah dont worry about catching the ball young man just run like the wind…
Brilliant!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
HD37: Chaz Schilens is only relevant to Raiders fans …
FACT.
nobody in the real world is projecting him to do anything special this season based on last years numbers/performance
keep drinking the Kool-Aid, maybe all that over analysis will change history. the only team in the league Chaz Schilens would start for today is the St. Louis Rams
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Because nothing ever gets past the pundits, right?
They saw Atlanta going 11-5 last year.
They had Arizona in the Super Bowl.
They were totally predicting DeAngelo Williams, Lance Moore, Eddie Royal, LeRon McClain and Steve Breaston to have monster years in 2008.
Fact: Most of the die-hard fans in here have a better feel for the Raiders’ breakout players than football “pundits” who are TRYING to cover all 32 teams but spend most of their time charting Favre’s and Vick’s pooping schedules.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Where did they say the injury was going to keep him out of Thursday’s game?
And to be injury PRONE would indicate a pattern. 1st time injury should not translate to injury PRONE, especially when you play through it, never fully recovering.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I don’t know why you say just 9 routes, SnB!
Speaking of rookie receivers, Darrius Heyward-Bey continues to get himself open when being guarded by a defender……..
DHB gets open regularly……….. and on these defensive backs, that’s no easy task. When defensive coordinator John Marshall admits that in his 30 years of coaching, “I’d have to say this is the fastest group of corners and coverage people that I have had,” that’s saying something–……..and DHB is beating all of them….. Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, and Jerry Rice all had trouble catching the ball early in their careers and if DHB can be half as good as that trio with his hands, he’s worthy of a first-round selection…….. He’s beaten everyone from Nnamdi Asomugha ……to Darrick Brown
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JHill,
What I am trying to say is the idea of DHB being primarily used as a decoy is not going to work. He is going to be used to catch the ball and make plays…not just be a decoy. He will have to develop his route running, catching in traffic….going over the middle, the occasional bubble screen all that stuff.
All I am saying is this. He has to outperform Johnnie Lee Higgins and Javon Walker. THat’s all. THe Raiders don’t just give rookies a starting job and JLH and maybe Walker are credible competition. At least early on.
I think DHB is running with the ones because they want to get him ready. What better way then running against Nnamdi Asomugha all day.
Let’s see what happens in the preseason games.
All I want is the best player on the field. I would be delighted to have DHB oppositie Schilens. I also would be happy to see JLH there too.
I just see how the Raiders bring young players along…and usually the 1st year is a learning year….
August 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
going out on a limb…
Crabtree will either be the biggest bust of this years 1st round crop…
or he will not be playing football…
either way…
the niners are going to suck…
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AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
Congrats.
Dumbest Post of the Day.
And here you thought you couldn’t do it?
You don’t need me to post all of Crabtree’s awards, again, do you?
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Wow. Where did this guy come from??? He is stupider than most of the really stupid posters in here and that is saying something. So, this guy is going to post Crabtree’s college awards. That PROVES he was the best wide receiver available. If that were the case, then Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, and Jason White would be tearing up the league with their Heismans! The reason we didn’t draft Crabtree is he is a PAIN IN THE ASS, and wouldn’t sign. I don’t care how good he is, if he doesn’t sign it doesn’t matter. Last time I looked, dude hadn’t signed.
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Don’t abuse the right to be stupid.
Raiders signed Bey because he’s fast, nitwit. Had nothing to do with Crabtree. How would you know if he would sign or not, BEFORE you drafted him??
Next time, just for fun, think before you hit submit.
Unless, of course, you’re a glutton for punishment.
Yeah, he hasn’t signed. At this point he’s done nothing.
Bey? he signed. deposited a huge bonus, and at this point he’s done nothing.
Well, proving he’s a bad choice, I suppose, isn’t exactly “nothing”.
It’s just yet another Raider blunder that slow Raider fans feel compelled to explain away.
Except in your case, where it just seems whining is your goal.
BTW, fool, previous year? Raiders took McFadden. Why? BECAUSE HE’S FAST. Did Raiders need him? Hell no. Rushing game went down with McFadden, from 6th to 10th, but hey, like Bey, HE’S FAST.
Didn’t do anything at all to justify the pick, but whoop dee do..he’s fast.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
You guys are trippin!
What is all of this just run him down the field as a decoy talk coming from? That better not be what he is in there for. If he is single covered, he better get the ball thrown to him on whatever route the pattern calls for.
How DHB opens up the middle and underneath is simply by him being on the field. The S will have to account for his speed before the play is even run.
When they talk about him repeatedly getting open against Nnamdi and others, do you really think that is on go routes only? If so, and he’s still beating them, then WOW!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Shyt, arn’t all those WR’s about the same speed anyway?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
going out on a limb…
Crabtree will either be the biggest bust of this years 1st round crop…
or he will not be playing football…
either way…
the niners are going to suck…
=======================================================
AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
Congrats.
Dumbest Post of the Day.
And here you thought you couldn’t do it?
You don’t need me to post all of Crabtree’s awards, again, do you?
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Wow. Where did this guy come from??? He is stupider than most of the really stupid posters in here and that is saying something. So, this guy is going to post Crabtree’s college awards. That PROVES he was the best wide receiver available. If that were the case, then Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, and Jason White would be tearing up the league with their Heismans! The reason we didn’t draft Crabtree is he is a PAIN IN THE ASS, and wouldn’t sign. I don’t care how good he is, if he doesn’t sign it doesn’t matter. Last time I looked, dude hadn’t signed.
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Don’t abuse the right to be stupid.
Raiders signed Bey because he’s fast, nitwit. Had nothing to do with Crabtree. How would you know if he would sign or not, BEFORE you drafted him??
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OMG, this guy is getting stupider by the second. And now he is bordering on missedabrain stupid. How would you know if he would sign or not before you draft him??? Because dummass you bring him in for a visit. Don’t you think, if you were going to invest say, I don’t know, $50 million in someone, you might want to meet them??? And since a lot of deals are done before the draft ever happens, see the last two overall number one picks for instance, this is more than norm than the exception. Unless, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Looking at you Richochet.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
He will have to develop his route running, catching in traffic….going over the middle, the occasional bubble screen all that stuff.
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He’s doing all of that now. That’s the point. His only criticism has been his 2 or 3 drops per practice, and the reports on that, even from the acknowledge critics, is that area of his game is really improving.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
DHB’s greatest contribution this year will be to clear out defenders for the underneath routes. Routes that Higgins, Shilens, and Murphy have as their strengths, routes that if Dmac can burn a LB will result in big gains, and deep seam routes for Zach Miller, which just happen to be Jamarcus’ strength right now.
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Exactly! PPL are putting too much emphasis on what DHB will do this year, rather than how he effects the game, im interested if the TEAM benefits from him being on the field, not his individual stats.
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ROFLMFAO…what a copout.
He can’t catch worth a damn, and now you’re reduced to saying “oh..uh..well…uh..let’s NOT discuss his “individual stats”…let’s look at the benefit of him being on the team.
In other words, YOU’RE ALREADY MAKING EXCUSES.
Talk about weak.
Hey, fool, a deep threat is ONLY a threat if he actually can catch A DEEP BALL. See Moss for details.
BTW..that deep threat in Moss? Has the stats to prove it.
Nothing sorrier than that weak copout take.
Unfortunately for that other guy, his trophy of DUMB TAKE OF THE WEEK didn’t last long..you just earned it, hands down.
No way you lose it this week with that “gem” of a whine.
Congrats, loser. You’ve earned it.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
And the village idiot has arrived!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
No, KK, they are not.
No one disputes DHBs speed as being head and shoulders above the others. And moreso his immediate explosiveness off the line and within the first 10 yds.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
You guys are trippin!
What is all of this just run him down the field as a decoy talk coming from? That better not be what he is in there for. If he is single covered, he better get the ball thrown to him on whatever route the pattern calls for.
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That came from missedabrain and kookie. Jhill you are exactly right. If he is singled, you go for him. If not, there are others that will be. The team coaches and owner has said over and over, they are going to use him to stretch the field. That is going to open things underneath. Not real hard to figure this out, unless you have the brainwidth of a missedabrain.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Raider Headbutt Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Speaking of pre season…what you guys think about the idea to ake the reguldar season longer and not have as many pre games?
^^^^^^
Agreed, there should only be 3 pre season games max!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
No I never said DHB should be a decoy. I sarcastically pointed out how stupid that would be in #464.
Apparently Oakglen you are so busy with your sociopath behavior & calling people morons you cant even read my post accurately.
# Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
That came from missedabrain and kookie. Jhill you are exactly right. If he is singled, you go for him. If not, there are others that will be. The team coaches and owner has said over and over, they are going to use him to stretch the field. That is going to open things underneath. Not real hard to figure this out, unless you have the brainwidth of a missedabrain.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Richochet the dumb take of the week is you not knowing that you can figure out what your #1 draft picks contract demands are before you draft him. That you don’t know that speaks volumes for all the other things you don’t know. Stick with missedabrain. He is more your level.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Still waiting on that injury report on DHB, Dude!
Still waiting on you to explain how 2 or 3 drops per practice (outta how many balls?) equals more drops than catches.
Still want to know why you are even debating DHB since you already admitted that he was was an undeniable first round talent.
WTF are you even talking about?!?!?!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Hmmmmmm looks alot like you are the one that said DHB should be a decoy. Just like you Brilliantly said DMAC should be red shirted his rookie year!
lmao
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
DHB’s greatest contribution this year will be to clear out defenders for the underneath routes
August 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
*****REPOST FOR OAKGLEN ONLY.*****
ALL OTHERS THAT HAVE 5TH GRADE READING COMPREHENSION OR HIGHER CAN DISREGARD!
# Mistabrown Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Yeah thats what you’re looking for from your #1 pick. Just have him run down field as a decoy. That will help his development as a route runner, wont it? That will keep him mentally into the game, wont it? Yeah dont worry about catching the ball young man just run like the wind…
Brilliant!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
All this “Stretch the Field” talk, reminds me of James Jett, Jessie Hester, Rocket Ismail, Willie Gault, A Wright.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
It’s a pretty big sand box, kiddies.
Do you guys really have to go at it EVERY day?
The funny thing is you guys are saying the exact same thing.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Richochet Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
going out on a limb…
Crabtree will either be the biggest bust of this years 1st round crop…
or he will not be playing football…
either way…
the niners are going to suck…
=======================================================
AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
Congrats.
Dumbest Post of the Day.
And here you thought you couldn’t do it?
You don’t need me to post all of Crabtree’s awards, again, do you?
—————————————————
Wow. Where did this guy come from??? He is stupider than most of the really stupid posters in here and that is saying something. So, this guy is going to post Crabtree’s college awards. That PROVES he was the best wide receiver available. If that were the case, then Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, and Jason White would be tearing up the league with their Heismans! The reason we didn’t draft Crabtree is he is a PAIN IN THE ASS, and wouldn’t sign. I don’t care how good he is, if he doesn’t sign it doesn’t matter. Last time I looked, dude hadn’t signed.
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Don’t abuse the right to be stupid.
Raiders signed Bey because he’s fast, nitwit. Had nothing to do with Crabtree. How would you know if he would sign or not, BEFORE you drafted him??
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OMG, this guy is getting stupider by the second. And now he is bordering on missedabrain stupid. How would you know if he would sign or not before you draft him??? Because dummass you bring him in for a visit. Don’t you think, if you were going to invest say, I don’t know, $50 million in someone, you might want to meet them??? And since a lot of deals are done before the draft ever happens, see the last two overall number one picks for instance, this is more than norm than the exception. Unless, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Looking at you Richochet.
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Like shooting fish in a barrel.
First off, peanut, just admit it when you blow it. You didn’t know squat about who’s going to hold out.
See, to prove how stupid your comment is, there is ONE position, and one position ONLY in the draft where teams can set something up in advance, and get it in writing, or at least know where they stand, and that’s #1 pick.
Considering Russell was the Raiders #1 pick, and the fact he didn’t just hold out, put missed ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, AND THE FIRST TWO GAMES, means you’re approaching the dumber than cotton stage.
Hey, for fun, explain to all how, IF what you say is true (don’t worry, everyone knows I just proved it’s not)how is it, IF THE RAIDERS MET WITH RUSSELL, AND KNEW ALL ALONG, WHY THEY DIDN’T PASS ON RUSSELL?
Guess they just didn’t have a clue, did they?
Oh..hey..you are right about one thing..last two #1’s were decided in advance..BECAUSE EVERYONE SAW HOW BADLY THE RAIDERS MANGLED IT!.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Ok Oakglen, you can see the sarcasm now right? Your so smart Oakglen!!
Ok continue on with your Sociopathic behavior calling people names & arguing over petty points.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Hmmmmmm looks alot like you are the one that said DHB should be a decoy. Just like you Brilliantly said DMAC should be red shirted his rookie year!
lmao
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
DHB’s greatest contribution this year will be to clear out defenders for the underneath routes
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Wrong as usual. No it doesn’t say that at all. As I have said many times, you need to learn how to read. Reading is fun. You have to sound out the words. YOU were the one that said he would be a decoy. I never did. I said his greatest contribution will be to help others get open. As soon as that happens, defenses will shift and it will free him up to contribute. You have to have a basic understanding of football to get it tho. Clearly you don’t, and you never will. Also, I didn’t say we should redshirt Dmac, I said he will be redshirted. He was. Yeah, I know he had a mystery toe ailment he never had before, never had again, and he would hang out on the sidelines in pads. Anything else??
August 10th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Ricochet & Oakglen,
Do we need to post previous post over & over ? It takes up alot of space and really you guys look like 2 turds floating around in the punch bowl.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
See, to prove how stupid your comment is, there is ONE position, and one position ONLY in the draft where teams can set something up in advance, and get it in writing, or at least know where they stand, and that’s #1 pick.
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Why is that? So the number three pick, you could not bring in, and go over his contract in the three months before the draft why now????? richochet you are embarrassing yourself now.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Richochet the dumb take of the week is you not knowing that you can figure out what your #1 draft picks contract demands are before you draft him. That you don’t know that speaks volumes for all the other things you don’t know. Stick with missedabrain. He is more your level.
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See comment above, torching you regarding the Raiders signing Russell..and NOT HAVING A CLUE.
You ever tire of soiling your own shoe?
Or do you even notice anymore?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Teams are going to bring in 4-5 guys that they feel will be there when they select. According to richochet, the part about the money never comes up. funny. I would have thought it would be one of the first things to come up. But, what do I know, I’ve only been around Pro sports my whole life.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
See richochet if you knew what you were talking about, you would know why the Raiders didn’t sign Russell immediately. There is no contradiction at all. But ONCE AGAIN, you prove you have no idea what you’re talking about. But keep going, this is amusing.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
NEW POST>>>>>>>>
August 10th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
jhill Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Still waiting on that injury report on DHB, Dude!
Still waiting on you to explain how 2 or 3 drops per practice (outta how many balls?) equals more drops than catches.
Still want to know why you are even debating DHB since you already admitted that he was was an undeniable first round talent.
WTF are you even talking about?!?!?!
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Not sure if you’re directing this at me, in that I never stated he’s an undeniable first round talent. IMO, he’s not. Second round maybe, although some analyst’s state high #1.
Drops? It’s in the papers, pretty much that while Bey has caught some balls, he’s dropped more than he’s caught. Went through a spell in mini-camp where he dropped ball after ball after ball with NO DEFENDERS NEAR HIM..not my words, words of the reporters.
And what injury report are you looking for?
Here: http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_13028210
August 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Dang you guys are still arguing about Crabtree and DHB? LOL…
Crabtree is a DB for not signing the contract for what it is… Oh Crabs, “it is” the contract for the guy drafted 10th overall ya douche LOL.
Darrius Heyward-Bey is what we all knew he would be. unproven and unpolished but fits our system and is a gamble worth taking with his incredible measurables.
Oh, hey don’t bother bashing me, it doesnt hurt my feelings LOL.
9-7!
53 MEN, COUNTLESS FANS, ONE PURPOSE!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
RAIDER ON!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
See richochet if you knew what you were talking about, you would know why the Raiders didn’t sign Russell immediately. There is no contradiction at all. But ONCE AGAIN, you prove you have no idea what you’re talking about. But keep going, this is amusing.
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Immediately? Fool..THEY DIDN’T SIGN HIM FOR 5 MONTHS..lol..immediately?
YOU, fool, stated the teams meet in advance with the draft picks, KNOW IF THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE SIGNING THEM OR NOT, was your dumb argument.
the fact it took the Raiders 5 months to sign Russell means you’ve made, yet another, dumb comment that you can’t back up.
Why am I not surprised?
ok, lol..now that I have you flustered and blubbering, trying to backtrack, riddle me this, peanut..
Which team, in the last 3 years, royally screwed up the handling of their first round pick??
Take your time, peanut.
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