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Disconnect remains with WRs

News and notes from Tuesday’s second practice:

– If Tom Cable was hoping quarterbacks and receivers would get on the same page with the wide receivers after a shaky first practice, he failed to get his wish.

Wideouts were an afterthought both for JaMarcus Russell, who his coach said bore responsibility for timing issues in the first session, as well as Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye, as the Raiders went through third down and red zone team sessions in shorts and shells.

The majority of the completed passes went to tight ends and running backs, with misfires and occasional drops going to wide recievers, virtually across the board.

– Neither safety Mike Mitchell nor Darrius Heyward-Bey participated in team sessions. Mitchell sat it out altogether after it looked as if he had a hamstring injury of undetermined severity near the end of the morning session. Cable will adress the availability of players Wednesday at a brief walkthrough, but don’t be surprised if Mitchell sits out the Dallas game.

Heyward-Bey was suited up and went through some drills, but was not involved in running pass routes against defenders in the team sessions.

– Before the final red zone session, Cable and Russell met for a talk in the middle of the field, with Cable appearing to do most of the talking. Each quarterback had an unsuccessful four-play series, and in the final round, Russell was skipped while Gradkowski and Frye each took one last series.

– Cable said Monday preparation for the Cowboys would consist mainly of working on things the Raiders would do this year, but it looked as if there was at least some rudimentary scout team working going on in the second session in getting ready for Dallas.

– The National Football Post is reporting the Raiders have shown some interest in free agent lineabacker Derrick Brooks, although “it was unknown what their level of interest is.”

Brooks, a player with Hall of Fame credentials, was exclusively a weak side linebacker in Tampa 2 defense throughout his career. The Raiders have what they believe to be their weak side linebacker for the next several years in Thomas Howard.

So it could be no more than the Raiders having their name floated as a possibility in order to get another team (like New Orleans) to react.

Besides, would Brooks want to change positions at this point in his career? If he did, and was moved to the strong side, economics say Ricky Brown, who received a high $1.7 million tender to prevent him from being a free agent, could dislodge Kirk Morrison in the middle.

Jon Alston the strong side starter last season after Brown was injured, is sidelined with plantar faciatis and Cable said he wanted to get a good look at rookie fourth-round pick Slade Norris against Dallas.

Morrison is in the final year of his contract and acknowledged Monday he was fighting for his job.

– I won’t be at the brief pre-game walkthrough Wednesday but should have access to a pool report and press update from Cable.

– More practice quick hits are available on my Twitter page.

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  • Brien the General

    joking*

  • Florida Pete

    Brien the General Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    I have a great attitude and never complain while playing on a losing squad. I lack vision, hands and overall ability. I can pass block well but I stink at all the other aspects of my position.

    Who am I?

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    George W Bush

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Brien the General Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
    Raiders<——-lack a true NT

    Raiders<——have no RT as of now

    Raiders<—–refuse to play better rbs

    Raiders<—–have the worse free safeties in the league

    Raiders<—–will start the wrong combo of WRs
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    Man sometimes you are annoying, but oftentimes you are so right Brien…and that list is dead on.

  • OAKlifer

    you’re gonna say ALL running backs in the league…

    and if we can accept that the average number of halfbacks on a team is three…

    and your saying Fargas is in the top 30% of ALL of them (implying he is probably not higher than that)…

    then you’re saying Fargas is in the bottom 10% of starting halfbacks in the league…

    no???

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    WOW GREAT MATH!

    GOTTA RUN NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

    til next AM RAIDER ON FELLAS!!!!!!!!1

  • Brien the General

    # Silver-n-Smac Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    O.K., so just answer this question for me, after pondering the following thoughts:

    1. Al Davis, the all-mighty Al Davis obviously loves speed. . . . .obviously loves talent. That’s why he drafted Bush & McFadden, right? Right. And we all know Al loves to show off that talent at every opportunity he gets, right? Right. So then why the #$#% do you suppose Al hasn’t stepped in and demanded that Fargas be benched so that he can show off that talent? And don’t give me the Marcus Allen BS answer. There are 2 players whom Al really did screw over – Marcus and Steve Buerlein. I’ll give you that. Any real Raider fan knows Marcus was a more complete and fantastic running back than any of the guys that were playing in front of him (yes, including Bo Jackson). But, Al has no reason to stick it to Bush or McFadden. So, if he really wanted those dudes in there, you know damned well they’d be in there.

    Hmmm. . . . . .maybe as a few people have now kept saying, you’ve got to show, on a CONSISTENT basis, that you can be counted on to get at least 3.5 yards on every down and be able to block. Not just for a few plays a game, but, for the duration of a 60 minute football game.

    McFadden & Bush haven’t done that yet.

    So get your own ass out of your head instead of conveniently ignoring those facts, post after post.
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    lol 3.5 is an awful average for a starter lol. stop it now man

  • Raider Dell

    Cable has said tomorrow night the starters will play the first quarter.

    Let’s break that down, that could be two to three series for the offense and the numbers could look like this:
    9 plays or 13-16 plays. I would hope more plays the better. The breakdown of running plays will be interesting. Will there be balance of 50% equal runs and pass plays or some higher percentage of plays.

    The Raiders finished dead last in pass plays in most categories last year (08).

    So do they air it out and go towards working on the pass or do they have field position dictate run or pass.

    What do you all want to see as far as more plays in run vs pass.

  • Brien the General

    Dell, I wanna see if the oline has improved in both facets of the game. I wanna see Russell go through progressions and hit people accurately. Damn going to the TE so much. I need to see passes to the WRs

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Jerry Buss is gay? Someone should tell his kids that…might be bi I guess.

    I know the Oakland As are run by a homosexual…

  • Mistabrown

    I dont doubt Billy Beane is the way he sucks @ GM

  • Florida Pete

    Raider Dell Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    Cable has said tomorrow night the starters will play the first quarter.

    Let’s break that down, that could be two to three series for the offense and the numbers could look like this:
    9 plays or 13-16 plays. I would hope more plays the better. The breakdown of running plays will be interesting. Will there be balance of 50% equal runs and pass plays or some higher percentage of plays.

    The Raiders finished dead last in pass plays in most categories last year (08).

    So do they air it out and go towards working on the pass or do they have field position dictate run or pass.

    What do you all want to see as far as more plays in run vs pass.

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    what i want is for our head coach to NOT tell the other team that we’re gonna throw it all night…

    that’s what i want…

    and by the way… i like Jeff Fisher’s attitude about winning…

    in order to get used to it…

    you gotta start doing it in the pre-season…

  • Mistabrown

    He has no idea what hes saying. He pulled 30% out of his a$$.

    A better question is what do you like about a sociopathic troll ?

    # Florida Pete Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Oakglenn… i like you and i usually stay out of your stuff…

    but…

    if you’re gonna say ALL running backs in the league…

    and if we can accept that the average number of halfbacks on a team is three…

    and your saying Fargas is in the top 30% of ALL of them (implying he is probably not higher than that)…

    then you’re saying Fargas is in the bottom 10% of starting halfbacks in the league…

    no???

  • Brien the General

    Dakota, wrong. There were two Billy Beanes if you dint know. We dont have the gay one.

  • Silver-n-Smac

    Let’s do some math, o.k. Brian?

    3.5 + 3.5 + 3.5 = 1st down!

    3.5 + 4 yard pass + 3 yard pass = 1st down!

    3.5 + 3.5 + 3 yard pass = 1st down!

    Tha point is, if your back is averaging 3.5 yards for an entire season, there’s no reason in the world why a team shouldn’t be moving the chains with a half-competent passing game.

    And for the record:

    Jerome Bettis career yards/rush: 3.9
    Marcus Allen career yards/rush: 4.1
    Roger Craig career yards/rush: 4.1

    Justin Fargas’ career yards/rush: 4.1

    And that’s all fine and dandy – at the end of the day, I don’t really care about those stats. You’re either a good football player or you’re not.

    And I’ll take Fargas on my team every day of the week.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Dell,

    If Fargas starts it will be 6 runs by Fargas, 3 incomplete passes on third and longs, 3 punts, and 14-0 when the scrubs get in.

  • Raiderwoj

    Dakota,
    in regards to the blocking issue with McF and Bush, anytime I brought it up, it was about Cable saying they didn’t know their assignments and blitz pickups very well, and that fargas was better at it. Can’t speak for anybody else but that was my take on the situation, didn’t have to do with the fact they couldn’t physically or wiffed.

    Personally I think if Bush can pick up his assignments, he should be starting. McF, blocking or not, should be on the field in space, anywhere he can make a play. And Fargas should be relegated to resting those 2 and clean-up at the end of games.

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    Mistabrown Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Funny how Barb@ck & other left wing nut jobs run as moderates and then get elected and turn into what they really are and destroy everything!

    Why is that? Why dont Socialist radicals stand up & say vote for me I’m a radical left wing socialist nit wit who will raise tax & spend the country into the dirt?

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    Mista, Bush is the one who spent the country into the dirt and did his best to “destroy everything”. Obama will be lucky to salvage a decent future for the nation, but his first 6 mos. shows he may well be up to the job.

    Sorta like when Clinton rebuilt the economy and erased the deficit after 12 years of Republican mismanagement.

    The facts of the last 25 years show that only Democrats can run the nation’s economy. Republicans just have no fiscal responsibility (trickle down their leg economics).

  • Raider Dell

    what i want is for our head coach to NOT tell the other team that we’re gonna throw it all night…
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Pete are you still mad at lil Kiffie for annoucing his offensive intentions prior to our exhibition game last year with the Arizona Cardinals.

  • Brien the General

    but i don like billy so much these days. The a’s are horrible but not as bad as the cubs

  • Raider Dell

    NEW POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Dakota Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Oak, I think you might be a little off here. First, yes McFadden fumbled a lot in college, he was in a gimmicky offense plays almost like an option QB. Last year McFadden lost one fumble.

    Blocking, well, according to reports Bush and McFadden have been lighting up people in camp, so we’ll see if that argument continues to hold water. (besides, no one has yet to offer me any evidence of a case of McFadden, or Bush for that matter, missing a block that lead to a QB sack)

    As to letting those guys start and not earning it…correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t DHB just listed as the starting WR? What has he done to earn a starting job other than scare everyone with dropped passes and being the #7 pick? I guess the Raiders themselves sometimes do what you think is such an awful act…

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    Basically Dakota I agree with most of what you have here. mcFadden put the ball on the ground a few times in games even tho he might not have lost them, and more than the coaches wanted to see in practice. Same with Mike.

    Regarding blocking, both of them HAVE to get better. I don’t know if you have a copy of the last Discharger game from last year to watch, but Bush came in, The Dischargers blitzed, Bush’s head was spinning like he was a cartoon charachter, Jam got wacked the ball came out, and Bush did not see the field again til the last game of the season. Now you know why.

    I really can’t comment on the depth chart put up on the Raiders site. There is a lot of things on the Raiders web site I don’t get, But understand, it is not like I am saying Fargas is Jim Brown and Dmac and Mike are lawrence phillips. One thing I really expect is a LOT more Bush and Dmac this year myself.

  • Raiderwoj

    And Fargas’s best carreer stat? 698 att 7TD’s! You don’t win with avgYPR, you need points on the board and Fargas don’t do it

    PS career total for receiving TD’s=0

  • Brien the General

    # Silver-n-Smac Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Let’s do some math, o.k. Brian?

    3.5 + 3.5 + 3.5 = 1st down!

    3.5 + 4 yard pass + 3 yard pass = 1st down!

    3.5 + 3.5 + 3 yard pass = 1st down!

    Tha point is, if your back is averaging 3.5 yards for an entire season, there’s no reason in the world why a team shouldn’t be moving the chains with a half-competent passing game.

    And for the record:

    Jerome Bettis career yards/rush: 3.9
    Marcus Allen career yards/rush: 4.1
    Roger Craig career yards/rush: 4.1

    Justin Fargas’ career yards/rush: 4.1

    And that’s all fine and dandy – at the end of the day, I don’t really care about those stats. You’re either a good football player or you’re not.

    And I’ll take Fargas on my team every day of the week.
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    Drop the smack immediately my friend. The stats you are putting up are for a dink and dunk offense. Notice alot of Farglass runs especially last year were on 3rd and super long. Dont be confused. Haha you used ypc for guys who could find the endzone. Terrible

  • Brien the General

    # Raiderwoj Says:
    August 12th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    And Fargas’s best carreer stat? 698 att 7TD’s! You don’t win with avgYPR, you need points on the board and Fargas don’t do it

    PS career total for receiving TD’s=0
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    Ouch! Its MURDER

  • Richochet

    So, the general concensus is the Raiders are screwed, right?
    Just clearing things up so those kool aid drinkers can start slowly going through the inevitable withdrawals that are soon to come.
    Might as well beat the rush and accept the fact record losing year #7 is upon you.

    Wait.

    Russell is looking like garbage.
    Garcia seems to be a walking band aid.
    And the STARTING QB FOR THE OAKLAND RAIDERS IS?????

    WOW..lots to ponder :)

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