Cable: Garcia on his way, ready to play
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, August 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When we last saw Jeff Garcia in Napa, he was making his way out of the field house to the Marriott and conceding his calf was taking more time than he thought to heal.
It began on July 31, with Garcia being a spectator even in the “learning intensive” practices which were low on physical stress. At the time, Cable said, “we’re just trying to keep him fresh for Monday.” That was more than two weeks ago.
If Garcia ever had a sliver of hope of unseating JaMarcus Russell for the starting job _ and he seemed to fluctuate on that topic from interview to interview _ it evaporated as he watched from afar, detatched from a team he is unlikely to ever call his own.
Garcia, according to coach Tom Cable, should arrive in Napa tonight, is healthy enough to practice and will be the No. 2 quarterback on the depth chart when the Raiders practice at 3:30 p.m. Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday with the San Francisco 49ers.
He was not with the team Saturday or Sunday, staying at home to tend to “ personal business.”
“I think it’s going to be great,” Cable said. “He’s champing at the bit as much as I am, to get here and to be here and all that . . . it’s just, you’ve got to take care of your body and he does a good job of that.
“The thing just flared up so rather than press it out there and put him in a situation (like what) happened last year in Tampa, want to take care of that so when we get him back, we get him back ready to go.”
During practice, Russell and Garcia don’t seem to interact much. Russell said it is different in the meeting room.
“Whatever goes on, he has an input in it,” Russell said. “If you can use it, take it but if it’s something that you’re not used to doing then you get to let him keep the better end of the stick and go from there. It is good to get some advice from someone.”
More news and notes:
– The Raiders signed an outside linebacker, but it wasn’t one who will add a Hall of Fame resume to their media guide.
Instead, it’s Morlon Greenwood, 31, who last played for the Houston Texans. Cable said Greenwood’s arrival allows the Raiders to be careful with Isaiah Ekejiuba, who sustained a shoulder surgery against Dallas _ one that he has had before.
Greenwood’s role will be as a reserve outside linebacker and special teams player. Defensive lineman Derrick Gray was waived to make room for Greenwood.
Ekejiuba said Saturday the injury was no big deal and he’d be out a couple of days. Cable’s stance makes it sounds as if Ekejiuba could be out considerably longer.
– Garcia’s arrival means reduced snaps for either Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, or both. Both threw the ball well toward the end of Sunday’s lone session, with Frye in partciular throwing some nice medium and deep range strikes to Chaz Schilens and Zach Miller.
Frye has still been running No. 3, but looks better than most starters the Raiders have had since Kerry Collins left following the 2005 season.
– The Raiders had a solid team session throwing the ball late in practice, good enough that Cable called it probably the best day we’ve had all camp throwing the football and guys getting in seams on time.”
We’ll assume he wasn’t including the 7-on-7 session where the ball hit the ground or was intercepted on six of seven throws during one stretch, with Russell throwing interceptions to Stanford Routt and Jerome Boyd.
– Chaz Schilens continues to catch everything insight and is easily the most consistent and productive skill position player in camp from day to day.
– Two of Russell’s better throws came on deep sideline touch passes to Shawn Bayes and Johnnie Lee Higgins.
Both came against Ricky Manning, who had struggled in his second Raiders practice after being signed as a free agent.
– Much was made of the “mentoring” of Russell by Garcia, but it’s clear the key figure charged with developing the future of the franchise is quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett.
“Paul has kind of changed the dynamics of the whole thing in terms of how they’re studying, how they’re preparing and the information that he gets back from them, and I think he’s making them all accountable,” Cable said.
– Russell and the offense executed a screen to the right which had Michael Bush off and running down the sideline like a runaway train. Fortunately for Raiders defenders, they didn’t have to try and tackle him.
“That was a touchdown,” Bush said. “I was rumbling.”
– Kirk Morrison was running as the second team middle linebacker behind Ricky Brown, with Jon Alston on the strong side and Thomas Howard on the weak side.
Alston, who has plantar fasciatis, let out a yell in pain after stepping awardly during one drill but never missed a snap.
– Both days against the 49ers Tuesday and Wednesday will be double sessions in pads at 8:20 a.m. and 4:30 p.m.
– There were no meetings Sunday night, as friends and families visited Napa for the club’s annual “Family Night.”
– Louis Murphy is still feeling the effects of a big hit he took against Dallas. Not only was he out for the second straight day with a hip injury, but at one point was laying on his side and being worked on by the training staff, almost as if he’d been hurt all over again.
– Gerard Warren and Tommy Kelly were both caught jumping offsides, an occasional problem for the defensive line even though they’re more than familiar with the cadences of the quarterbacks by now.
– Cable said Javon Walker could return after the 49ers game, putting it at “a matter of days.” Walker said Saturday he expected to be back Aug. 24, which would indeed be the first practice after the 49ers game. Walker continues to work out on a nearby field and then watches practice from the sideline.
“I’ve watched a couple of those workouts, and not just the conditioning part of it, but the change of direction, the ball-catching, and been very impressed,” Cable said.
– Among those who also did not practice and are day-to-day include G Marcus Johnson (calf), defensive tackle Terdell Sands (quad), center John Wade (stinger) and linebacker Mike Mitchell (hamstring).
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August 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Go Raiders!
August 16th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Marlon Greenwood looks great on paper. He has some great statistics.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=2637
August 16th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Oh brother.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Alston doesn’t want to lose his job due to injury. I respect that.
-Brown, Norris, and Kirk are SAMs.
-TH, Alston, and Nixon are WLB.
-We need a true MLB, but Not JB. ( we are not going to trade for a 5th RD pick who never played a down in reg season. Sorry Pete)
August 16th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Raider O Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Alston doesn’t want to lose his job due to injury. I respect that.
-Brown, Norris, and Kirk are SAMs.
-TH, Alston, and Nixon are WLB.
-We need a true MLB, but Not JB. ( we are not going to trade for a 5th RD pick who never played a down in reg season. Sorry Pete)
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um… you do know that you are hurting my gawddamn feelings…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
You “fans” should worry less about lame ass depth charts and get your acts together and get to the f*ckin games and tailgate and get drunk and stoned and listen to heavy metal,..wtf is so exciting about f*ckin depth charts?????????…dumb.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
is Mitchell linebacking now???
August 16th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Norco Bob Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
You “fans” should worry less about lame ass depth charts and get your acts together and get to the f*ckin games and tailgate and get drunk and stoned and listen to heavy metal,..wtf is so exciting about f*ckin depth charts?????????…dumb.
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you should see how i get when i’m looking at a really good spreadsheet…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Might not be a bad idea. Florida Pete. Mitchell is aggressive and likes to lay the wood. He might work if we convert him to MLB. Just a thought.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
#6 by Norco Boob= Cuhhhhhhhhhhhlasssic!
August 16th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
anyway…
my prediction for the week…
i do not believe Mitchell or Ekejuiba will be active for the San Diego game…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
My prediction is Mitchell sucks and wont make team.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Mitchell would have to put on about 20 pounds though.lol
August 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Well it dznt happen very often but Norco Boob actually gets close with his Mitchell prediction. This guy screams bust to me.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
we don’t need a small and fast MLB…
we need beef… big beef…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Hes a youtube fraud,..makes a nice hit occasionally but in between hits he gets his ass demolished in coverage,..completely lost because instead of worrying about his coverage assignments hes hoping his buddy in the bleachers gets his good side on a nice hit for internet posting.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I’ve read that Garcia has been a locker room cancer which is the reason teams weren’t so quick to pick him up after last season. I think once he finally realized the job really was JaMarcus’ job, he came up lame and got everybody all worked up about what is wrong with him…..Garcia’s leg got swollen and he had to go home to his wife. That sh!t happens to me three times a week and I do the exact same thing. C’mon Jeff play some ball.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Pete you sound gay.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Mitchell’s hamstring is going to keep him out this year…
and i hate to say it…
but does anyone remember Darnell Bing???
August 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Mitchell being cut? Well thats wishful thinking.
How can you all proclaim he’s a bust when you’ve never seen him take it to the field? Man, there must be some real live Nostradamus’ in here. With that said…goodnight!
August 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Norco Bob Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Pete you sound gay.
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that’s okay…
you sound stupid…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
505 who you kidding?…Garcia goes home to a playboy bunny,..you go home to a big fay lady who yells at you all day.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
504
August 16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
We should have taken Jasper Brinkley instead of Stryker Sulak or even instead of Louis Murphy. I don’t think we needed that many receivers.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Norco Boob hits the nail on the head on post #16. In fact if you REALLY look at the footage its basically the same hit or 2 played over and over at different angles.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
6′2 272 lbs as a rookie. With dedication to the weight room and strength training, he could lose ten lbs and still be a beast in the middle.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
This blog sucks,..Im out.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Hmm, dznt sound like Doughboy thinks Garcia is a cancer or Doughboy Jr. for that matter. Would guess they would know.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Kush Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
We should have taken Jasper Brinkley instead of Stryker Sulak or even instead of Louis Murphy. I don’t think we needed that many receivers.
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they are loving him up in Minnesota…
i was apoplectic* when we kept passing him up in the draft…
*this word was especially chosen for Norco Bob…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Kush Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
6′2 272 lbs as a rookie. With dedication to the weight room and strength training, he could lose ten lbs and still be a beast in the middle.
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he showed up at 252…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Brinkley is someone i pegged last december to be a good 4th round pick in the draft… he is a beast MLB… i’ll re-post an article about him…
Florida Pete Says:
August 15th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Vikings’ rookie Jasper Brinkley just brings it
Rookie linebacker hits ‘with attitude,’ Henderson says
By Rick Alonzo
ralonzo@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 08/09/2009 11:54:56 PM CDT
MANKATO, Minn. — Vikings linebacker Jasper Brinkley pulled up at the last moment during a recent practice, sparing running back Antone Smith from a huge hit.
The Vikings weren’t wearing full pads, so Brinkley had to be careful not to hammer his teammate after he cut through the line into the backfield.
“We can unload on everybody else,” said, Brinkley the hard-hitting rookie linebacker who has raised eyebrows in training camp. “I want to take care of my teammates.”
Brinkley’s full-bore style can be dangerous for others, especially considering his massive frame. He’s listed at 6 feet 1, 252 pounds, which makes him the heaviest linebacker on the Vikings’ roster. He appears bigger and plays bigger, too. Brinkley hits like a dump truck rolling downhill out of control.
That’s a big part of the reason why he already is penciled in as E.J. Henderson’s backup at middle linebacker. Henderson likes Brinkley’s athleticism, instincts and play-making ability.
“And when he gets there, he gets there with attitude,” said Henderson, noting that he hasn’t seen any Vikings rookie hit as hard as Brinkley. “Not at linebacker, not since I came in here.”
If all goes well for the Vikings, Henderson will remain healthy coming off toe surgery and Brinkley won’t be needed much at linebacker this season, although he will likely be used on special teams.
It became clear that NFL teams can never have enough talent and depth at any position last season, when Henderson was sidelined the final 13 games, including the playoffs. His absence forced the Vikings to sign Dontarrious Thomas and Napoleon Harris for the season.
Searching for a better long-term backup, the Vikings drafted Brinkley in the fifth round of the April NFL draft. Defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier immediately made it clear he was expecting Brinkley to fill the backup role.
Brinkley hasn’t let the coaches down. The staff has “water-logged” him with information, and he’s adjusting well. Coach Brad Childress likes the rookie’s instincts.
“I think he’s got very good ’see-to-do,’ ” Childress said. “E.J. is probably the most instinctive. But he’s an instinctive player in there. He processes stuff immediately.
“He’s a good football player.”
Brinkley’s body type isn’t that of a typical rookie. At 24, he’s the oldest member of the team’s five draft picks this year after finishing his college career as a fifth-year senior. He’s more mature physically than is expected from a first-year professional. He was granted a medical redshirt after suffering a season-ending knee injury his junior season.
It took time for Brinkley to drop the weight he had gained after his knee injury. But although he’s still a big man, now he’s in his best shape since his knee injury, a torn lateral collateral ligament in 2007.
When Jasper’s twin brother, Casper, saw him this summer, the change in his muscle tone was obvious.
“I was like, ‘You’ve got abs?’ ” said Casper, a defensive end hoping to the make the Carolina Panthers’ regular-season roster. “I was jealous.”
Jasper moves better than one would expect for a linebacker of his size. During Saturday’s practice, running back Ian Johnson ran around right end, and suddenly Brinkley was right there to meet him at the line of scrimmage.
After watching Brinkley in the offseason and training camp, Henderson likes what he sees.
“Definitely likes the contact,” Henderson said. “Definitely the type of middle linebacker we’re looking for. Definitely think he’ll be a starter in this league sometime soon.”
Exhibition games will reveal much more about Brinkley’s ability, starting with Friday night’s at Indianapolis.
Indications to this point are that the Vikings might have gotten a steal in the draft. Pro Football Weekly’s draft preview guide projected Brinkley as a third- or fourth-round pick. If hadn’t gotten injured in college, he might have gone higher than that.
In his first year at South Carolina, Brinkley led all Southeastern Conference linebackers with 107 tackles, including 14 1/2 for a loss.
Now Brinkley is trying to learn the playbook as fast as he can. For a role model, he needs to look no further than Henderson.
“I feel great playing behind a guy like that,” Brinkley said. “He’s going to be one of the greats to ever put this uniform on. I definitely try to mold my game to be exactly his. I try to imitate everything he does on the field.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Raiders sign Morlon
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-moves&prov=ap&type=lgns
August 16th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Norco had too much to drink tonight.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Hey Fla Pete,
who’s got better running backs: Raiders or LSU?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Ummm….Why would anyone give two sheets about Jasper Brinkly?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Sheet, SCs got the best backs in the country. LSU is about to be delt with this year.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
“and Isaiah Ekejiuba slowed by a dislocated shoulder.”
slowed… by a dislocated shoulder…
i think he is more than slowed…
it would suprise me if he actually plays anytime before halloween…
and it would not surprise me if he did not play this year…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
They better come up here and shitt stomp the fukn Dawgs though, would have to leave the state if UW won.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Bob your a complete asshole, but I guess u know that already. You must really get a kick out of saying off the wall stuff. So yes please be “out” come back some other time while we can talk football, us real raider fans that you claim aren’t because we don’t go to games and or tailgate dooshebag
August 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
LSU has a QB this year. And a serious set of WRs. Most of the experts are picking LSU to give Florida their only loss this year.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
RaiderRon Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Ummm….Why would anyone give two sheets about Jasper Brinkly?
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nobody does really…
but starting the last week of december right up to the draft i was touting this guy…
he had a great combine… very strong and very fast…
it wasn’t news to me that we needed a MLB that can stop runners…
and he sat there until the 5th round and we didn’t take him…
instead, we drafted as many “defensive ends that can project to a linebacker” as we could…
we even decided that maybe we could convert a tight end into a linebacker…
i have a novel f@cking idea…
hows about we draft a legitimate MLB and play him there???
August 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Thats not the way I have been hearin it, I have been hearin LSU is down this year but then again I am way up here so WTF do I know.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Thats crazy talk Pete. Al must prove he still has the master touch. Drafting an LB to play LB is too conventional for Al.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Raider O, I read where you didn’t see any doubles on Warren or Sands is that true?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
No bruh, LSU is loaded this year. They got the #1 WR in Nation (Reuben Randall) and #1 QB (by 2 publications) Russell Shepard. Shepard will play three positions on offense because the QB from late last year is the man, True soph Jordan Jefferson (6′4” 225)……The biggest impact though will be Kiffin reject defensive coordinator John Chavis from Tennessee. His defenses were top 5 in SEC the last 10 years. LSU defense sucked last year because the DC from the previous year became the HC at Nebraska (Bo Polini).
August 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
We should try Greenwood at MLB, he is 6′ 245!
August 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Raider O, you saw NO doubles on Warren?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
BHP,
I said out DTs can penetrate well, but can’t hold the point when they are doubled. And they don’t get doubled a lot. Not like Ted or Sam.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Sounds like you know your shitt, I will go with you. Just make damn sure the Dawgs get beat, and get beat bad. You traveling to Seattle for the game?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
I’m just asking for your opinion, it’s not like I’m upset at you or anything I’m going to take you over the film and show you down and distance. That facts!!
August 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
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August 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Was warren doubled? Yes, but not the entire time. Also he gets pushed back hard when he is doubled.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
I disagree, wholeheartedly.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Oh great, here comes Priest to tell us how great the d-line is and how the boys double teamed them all night long.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Raider O Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
We should try Greenwood at MLB, he is 6′ 245!
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that might be why he’s here…
but really, he’s an outside backer…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Morlon Greenwood article FRESH!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
August 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Point out a play when they didn’t hold the point, if SnB is out there he can help you.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Raider O Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
We should try Greenwood at MLB, he is 6′ 245!
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that might be why he’s here…
but really, he’s an outside backer…
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He had a very productive 2006 at MLB…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
You too Raider Ron point out plays where he gets dominated. Point them out.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
BHP,
I didn’t think posting my opinion would make you mad at me. lol
August 16th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Watchn True Blood at the moment, when its over I will check it out.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I mean everybody says they suck so it should be VERY EASY.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I’ll be back in a few, time to say goodnight to my daughter.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Who cares if he was mad at cha?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Raider O, you’re taking this very wrong yu didn’t do anything to me personally. So why would I be mad at you. I’m just trying to help you understand what the coaches are seeing that’s all.
I charted the entire 1st half and I can point to any play you wish .
August 16th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Good for you Priest, good for you. Must have an exciting life to be charting preseason games.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I’m drunk. I drank too much Jameson’s while watching Notorious.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Darius Hewyard-Bay is going to be fast. I can’t wait to see him running and stuff on the Chargahs and Broncsos. No way can anyobody stop him. Al Davis is a genius for drafting Bey. Look at whats goning on with Craptrees. he aint’ even gonnaing to play thiis yea withr the 49rs.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
First off, most do not understand the scheme the Raiders are runnng. They think they’re running a 3/4 defense so they keep asking for a NG which is only in a 3/4 formation. In a 4/3 you have a 1, 3 and 5 technigue. Which Warren can play both based on the opponent or the gameplan. Thonly player biult for the true NG is Sands but even he doesn’t play NG in this scheme.
Now let me explain myself what we’re really talking about is tghe ability to 2gap which is the 1tech which in some instances we do ask the players to do. But in most cases they are responsible for 1 gap which allows for the second DT. In the 3/4 there is only one DT and to DE’s or 3tech’s. In th 3/4 you are asking the NG to hold the point and he is respnsible for both A-gaps. So you really don’t want him to penetrate because it pens up those gaps. That is not Warren’s resposiblity nor is it Kelly’s although due to the ability to penetrate they are often times doubled because the opponent wants to run in that A or B-gap. Or they often times run at us off tackle. Now that’s where the OLB scrapes off the DE to make a play.
To say that our DT’s don’t hold the point well you would have to know where the point IS. Meaning what is the offense trying to do. The point could well be in the C-gap away from said DT’s. That’s where the point is the DE and OLB.
I studied this game very closely and our DT play was outstanding………yes I said it, outstanding. There were a few occasion where we didn’t get good fits. But that is LBer responsive.
Hopefully this makes sense and those that read it can look at the Dline play with a more knowledgeable and critical eye.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
TJ,..dont bother calling Gary tomorrow, hes off all week,…Mike Urban sitting in.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
dmunoz,..you didnt need to tell us you were drunk,..we can see it clearly.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
your drunk Norocos Bobs!!!LOL
August 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
You no what is better then Al Davis/? Porno! I’m gonna go watch some now.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Norco Boob,
Tell Priest how great Mike Mitchell will be. He will LOVE to hear it.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Raider Ron at least I don’t run my mouth un les my brain is engaged. Here you are on ablog every damn day talkin g about someone else’s life.
Get a grip.
Raider O, is one of my favorite posters I’m not at all calling him out as much as I am in sense making a point that maybe he hasn’t considered.
Players have to play the scheme the way the caches are asking them to and not freelance to make plays becaus ethat’s exactly why this defense has been sio bad. They ignore their assignments. thursday night they played the scheme very well.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Unlike you Raider Ron, I like talking football with Raider O. We don’t have to agree to be civil with each other.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
TJ,..Gary is on vacation this week.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
9:41 Barber for about 7
Warren gets handled by one lineman. Looked like Kelly was gettn beat up too but couldnt get a good look.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Nah Ron,…Im not into repeating myself,..but you and the other zombies in here are good and cutting and pasting,..so go for it.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
8:37 Felix for bout 6
Warren again gets handled.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Ron,…theres better stuff on tv then a preseason game,…you really think warren and kelly are trying hard in first preseason game?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
For instance I’m watching the Colts vs Vikings. If you look at both teams the both have 4/3 alignments. Neither has what would be known as a NG. IN fact the Colts DT’s are less than 290 and they both are 1-gap players. Same as the Vikings which have the stoutest defense vs the run. And most would say they have a NG, but they don’t. Neither do the NYG or the NE Pat’s or the Phil Eagles. They all run a 4 man front and rush with their front 4. Just like the Raiders but we just have to be sound in our fundamentals and discipline. And the run defense will take care of itself.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
653 Barber run
Whole line gets pushed back, especially Warren.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
TJ,..dont call Gary tomorrow, hes on vacation.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Linebacker mike mitchell????
and i hate gerad warren. i hate him so much. and i hate sands even more.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Ok I’m back!
BHP,
It was a joke, I know you weren’t mad at me for posting my opinion.
I’m by that sensetive, but thank you. You are a good man.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Look clearly the raiders have alot of bums on the roster,.warren is ok, not great, not terrible,..sands is a bum,…the best player on the team is the punter.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
O stop it already,..man up and quit acting so gay in here.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
The best player on the team is Michael Bush.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
BHP,
I agree about the NG, and how we don’t play the 3-4. You also make sense about the point, but that still doessnt change the fact that our DTs are in the backfield putting pressure on the QB, or being pushed back to create a Huge Gap up the middle.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Kirk,..how many pro bowls has Bush been to?…Lechler has been to many and will be to many more,..hes easily the best player on the team.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Norco,
God Bless you.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
86,
* I’m not that…..
August 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Look O,..Im not a jesus freak,..not into any God of any kind,..so leave that god bless sh!t out of my face,….relion is a sham,..fu and God.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Mike Bush is the best player on the team. Hmmmmm…. Maybe, no, absolutely the dumbest post ever written on this site.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Norco,
Would you rather I insult you than say God Bless You??
August 16th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
God Bless You Bob!
August 16th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
O youre a f*ckin moron,..you think I would be insulted by what any of you droids would type in here?…lol,..thanks for the laugh jackhole.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
f*ck God.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Priest I remember our convo yesterday on this blog and you made some convincing arguments stating your view. So I watched the repeat today on NFLN and I actually took notes, on each play so that I could be sure of what I am talking about.
The tape doesn’t lie, so it revealed alot in my opinion about the state of our team right now. I’ll post what I saw in a minute.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Kush,..you watched that preseason game, again,..and this time took notes,…suicide is your next step dude.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
God Bless Bob, he needs help!
August 16th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
On the 9:41 play Warren actually penetrated in the hole and got trapped. The first play of the drive was a boot by the QB, 2nd & 3 Warren takes a chance and gets trapped. 1st & 10 12 yd out on Routt. 1st and 10 they run a sweep not much a DT can do on that. 8:20 a pass holding on Routt. 8:12 1st & 10 they run end-around not much a DT can do. 7:43 they run a screen to the 4 yrd line. 1st & goal @3 yrd line they don’t get in. 6:27 @ 1 yrd line they score but holding. The next play they run Barber from the 11 and picks up 2 yards. 5:25 is a passand they score.
The entire drive they ran at the DT’s maybe 4 times and gain roughly 18 yards and 1 run was for 8 yards. Pedestrian at best.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
TJ,..Gary isnt in this week so dont call.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Whatever Priest, he was gettn handled on a regular basis, you can try and spin it however you like.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
BHP,
4 runs for 18 yards is 4.5 yards per carry.
4.5 yards is not good!!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Seems to me if they were so succesful running at Warren they would’ve done it a LOT more for a lot more yardage. THEY DIDN’T!!
10 lousy points and 261 yards TOTAL. and our DT’s suck?? I think someone in here sucks a lot more.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Warren knows hes the starter,..basically didnt put in an effort thursday,…why should he?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
TJ,..Garys out all week.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Ummm…. Priest. It was a preseason game and the ones played a quarter. Do you get that?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
BHP,
Looking at it that way, is like saint take away Bush’s 2 big runs, and only avg around 3 yards per carry.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
The ones were ina quarter,…didnt try,..no reason to,not being paid for it,..they know that,..only players who try are ones trying to make roster.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Raider O are you kiddin’ me look at the game most of it was one run they got stuffed the rest of them. Why do you think they resorted to misdirection and reverses?
Haven’t you seen Dallas un the football they run right at you. If they felt they could run on us why didn’t they KEEP doing it? out of 6 drives that was the only one that was succesful. THREE 3 and outs in 6 drives and two 4 and outs. With basically their 1st team OLine.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
I can’t believe you guy’s don’t see this.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
* is like saying…..
Bob,
Why do you want BHP to call Gary so bad? You are begging!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
I dont want him to call,..Garys on vacation.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Hey let me ask you guy’s a better question. Who’s running game was more successful? the Cowboy’s or the Raiders? And how did we run at them, did yu see any misdirection or reverses?
What kind of yardage did we pick up and did we shy away from the run like they did?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
BHP,
4 runs, 18 yards, 4.5 yards AVG!! I can’t believe you can’t see it my friend.
I told you this before, but you convinced me that Board and Marshall can teach them to play lower. At this point, I don’t think do, and I still think we need a strong DT that can hold his own when doubled!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
[...] Cable: Garcia on his way, ready to play – Inside the Oakland … [...]
August 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
OK the ones played a qrtr, so let’s excuse them then we actually sucked like you guy’s say.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
BHP,
We ran much better. We ran at them, around them, and made their run D look sorry.
But we are not talking aboutour offense.
BTW, our offense looks great, but the Oline needs Gallery and Barnes.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Raider O, that’s fair I disagree I saw one run at the DT’s that was succesful for 9 yrds. You see that as a bad sign OK.
I don’t agree I call that nitpiking.
Their DT’s had alot more trouble stopping our run IMO but maybe I’m bias.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
BHP,
I didn’t say the ONEs, I said our DTs! That means: TK, Warren, Joseph, and Sands.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Name a DT that doesn’t give up any yardage wether he’s doubled or not?? name one. Never get’s pushed of the point?? Name one?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
that’s what I’m talking about Raider O, I’m not sure you guy’s are realistic. What the hell are you looking for the “incredible HULK’
August 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
BHP,
LMAO
“nitpiking” a few people told me I do that. lol
Our Running Game was much better, but that not the point.
To be honest: I don’t think it’s nitpiking with our record at stopping the run.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
We pushed their DT’s all over the field but it just escapes your notice. This is the NFL both guy’s get paid. He held the point as well as any coach could ask.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
That is the point exactluy Raider O, you guys’s act like we have the worst DT’s in the league and you say it all the time. But we played much bettter than they did only WE sucked.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
BHP,
I want a Dline like the Giants, Vikings, Eagles, And the Titans.
Is that too much to ask?!?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
BHP,
All those teams run a 4-3, but they invest high picks in their Dline.
BTW,
Who cares how bad the Boy’s Dline was, but compare us to those teams in my prey post. We need to invest in the Lines.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
If I had said before that game that our DT’s would outplay the Dallas DT’s you guy’s woul’ve laughed me off this board. But after the fact we still were’t good enough right? OK
I’ll take our guy’sand you guy’s can take everyone else as long as they don’y play for us. I think that’s fair based on this discussion so when we play SF we’ll see who’s better.
Fair enough?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Raider O, you should know me by now, I couldn’t give a rats ass about high draft bust. I’ll take a player anyway I can get ‘em………….period
August 16th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
We need DTs like the Williams brothers in Minn, they stuff the run, and we need that. Especially because we like spprd on the edges, and that usually doesn’t mean size. Look at Ellis, T Scott, and Burgess!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
BHP,
No! Not Fair! They have a bad Run Defense too!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Raider O, TheCowboy’s defense is filled with high draft picks. Let’s see what happens the rest of the way.
You take the other teams DT’s and I’ll take ours OK?
Fair enough?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Plus,
We have DMC and Bush, and I think those 2 can run on anyone! That we can agree on.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Raider O, every team in the league wants that but tghey don’t have it the Vikings do…………period
All the other NBA teams want a player like Kobe and LB, sorry fresh out of Kobe’s and LB’s so what you have will have to do……….period
August 16th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
No! Still not fair!!
Give the Giants Dline or the Vikings. lol
That’s Fair!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
lol while you’re at it why don’t you get a AP as well and get us a another Orlando Pace and a Jerry Rice.
You get my point?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
BHP,
I disagree sir.
Next year we can cut/trade Huff, Walker, Sands, and Fargas. That should free a lot of cap space ( just in case), and we need to invest high picks in the Lines. IMO
We have everything else!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I like AP a lot, but I would rather have DMC & Bush!
I get your point,
August 16th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
You’re asking for the best of everything and it’s just not realistic. What you have to understand like most fans is that 99.9% of the players in the league have flaws there are no perfect players and most of the players are very average quality starters. That’s reality. The Steelers just won the SB with a very average Oline at best. Their OT’s were worse than ours. They just made due with what they had, so did every other SB winner that’s EVER won. They did not have great players at every position. They just had a few great players and a bunch of quality starters……..period
August 16th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
And if there is a good DT available in FA, then we need to consider him.
We need help at both lines, but especially the Dline.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
BHP,
The last 6 years we drafted DBs, WR, QB, RB, and 2 LBs in the 1st 3 RDs. It’s time to invest in some DTs and OTs. Gallery is playing Guard, and Mario is good but we need a RT .
August 16th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
My Itouch’s battery is almost out, have a great night BHP.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
I am only going to post my notes from the first two series of the game from both teams because that’s when all or most starters from both teams were in the game. Here goes…
First Dallas Offensive Series:
Kickoff: Excellent special teams tackle by Ekejiuba to ensure a minimal return. Holding call on Dallas backs them up even further.
1st play: Pressure on Romo. Ellis bats down Romo’s first pass attempt.
2nd play: Defense contains Cowboys on first rushing attempt for no gain.
3rd play: Raiders blitz on 3rd and 11 resulting in an incomplete pass by Romo. IMO if this had been the regular season, Asomugha could have been called for illegal contact down field but fortunately he wasn’t.
Dallas 3 and out.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Raider O, truth be told we can always get better at every position every single one of them. What IMO you guy’s seem to miss is the player evaluation process. Just getting a DT doesn’t solve the problem getting a BETTER DT solves the problem. If there isn’t a better player to be had then why get ‘em simply because he plays a certain position.
To Cable and the other coaches go through a very arduous and lengthy process evaluatin g players for their scheme s and THEY know what they want. WE may agree or disagree but THEY KNOW. They are NOT going to draft a player because he plays a positionif they can get a better player at another position and fans just aren’t privy to their evaluations and that’s why we often times disagree. Everyone wanted BJ Raji but in their minds DHB was a better player at his position than BJ was at his. Get me? and a better fit.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Crabdiva lighting it up in camp yet? boomerang.
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Interesting that after 3 plus weeks of camp, both Bey and Crabtree have about the same productivity, which is zilch.
Only difference is one is in camp, dropping balls, in games, dropping balls, and the other player is holding out for a better contract.
One of the two is doing what drafted players do this time of year, holding out.
the other is doing what drafted players are NOT supposed to do, which is look like a really really bad draft pick
BTW..I love how Bey did the exact same thing in the pro’s that he did in college, when a deep ball came to him…which is nothing.
don’t you think the guy could have at least gone for the ball?
Naw..why start now?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
First Oakland Offensive Series vs 1st team Dallas Defense…
1st play: Jamarcus to Schillens for an 11 yard reception.
2nd play: Fargas hand off, 2 yard gain.
3rd play: Russell bomb down the sidelines to Heyward-Bey. Pass is under thrown allowing the Dallas safety to come over and double team DHB.
4th play: Russell rolls out to his right throws deep pass to Schilens, again under thrown. Fortunately PI called on Dallas. Raiders 1st and goal.
5th play: Hand off to Fargas for no gain and Carlisle flagged for holding. Consecutive drives stall resulting in a Janakowski FG.
So far the first team defense held on the 1st drive and the first team offense moved the ball well, the only negative being the penalty against Carlisle. The O-Line protected Russell well on the first offensive series.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Kush that ball was not catchable. That’s why he wasn’t and he got probowlers break, regular or pre-season.
I just don’t get what the fuss is about Dallas is a SB calibre team are they not and w’re talking about tyhem as if they’re the Detroit Lions.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
They double him didn’t they? Oh! I forgot they thought he was Randy Moss. doubled a ROOKIE!!
August 16th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Kush if you can post the 1st half stats?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
2nd Dallas Offensive Series with Romo still the Dallas QB. Asomugha has been replaced by Stanford Routt(here’s where it got ugly)
1st play: Short pass from Romo to the tight end Bennett who gives a vicious stiff arm to Chris Johnson for a 7 yard gain.
2nd play: Barber runs straight up the middle on our defense for a 1st down.
3rd play: Play action from Romo to Roy Williams. Routt victimized for a 12 yd. gain. 1st down.
4th play. Felix Jones runs to the left side for a 12 yard gain. 1st down.
5th play: Romo play action. Routt called for holding resulting in an automatic 1st down.
6th play: Very well executed misdirection running play from Romo to Creighton for a substantial gain and another, 1st down.
7th play. Screen play to Felix Jones. You guessed it folks, another 1st down!
8th play: Felix Jones scores a TD on a running play up the middle. The call is overturned on an offensive holding call on Dallas.
9th play. Romo Shotgun. Raiders show blitz but only rush 3. TD Romo to Whitten. All Raider commentators comment on how the Raiders only send three pass rushers and that Romo had 5 seconds to throw the ball.
Cowboys 7 Raiders 3.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Everyone on this board needs to stop over analyzing the first preseason game of the year. are you kidding me?? DHB is already a bust because he didn’t go up for an under thrown ball?? Mike Mitchell is a bust?? the guy is yet to take the field!! the way people on this board are complaining is as if we just played the third game of the preseason! cmon raider fans, we are known to be some of the most informed football fans when it comes to the technicalities of this great game, lets not tarnish that reputation by judging the first preseason game as if it was the real deal.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Norco Bob is taking out on God .. that he doesn’t get any. lol
August 16th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
BHP I don’t have all the 1st half stats. I am aware that we were way ahead of them in the statistical margin at halftime. But you have to keep in mind that the starters for both teams only played two offensive and defensive series a piece.
I’m commenting on the starters for both teams only because IMO that is a more realistic assessment of the team that will actually be taking the field when the regular season starts.
Our starters vs their starters, that’s what I’m commenting on.
Our 2nd and 3rd stringers outplayed Dallas 2nd and 3rd stringers no doubt, but I’m talking about Jamarcus vs Romo here.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
# Richochet Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Crabdiva lighting it up in camp yet? boomerang.
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Interesting that after 3 plus weeks of camp, both Bey and Crabtree have about the same productivity, which is zilch.
Only difference is one is in camp, dropping balls, in games, dropping balls, and the other player is holding out for a better contract.
One of the two is doing what drafted players do this time of year, holding out.
the other is doing what drafted players are NOT supposed to do, which is look like a really really bad draft pick
BTW..I love how Bey did the exact same thing in the pro’s that he did in college, when a deep ball came to him…which is nothing.
don’t you think the guy could have at least gone for the ball?
Naw..why start now?
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R U seriously going to say DHB has done nothing?? Hes learned the playbook and is well versed in the system. Crabdiva doesnt even know what a pro offense looks like. No, Rookies are not supposed to be holding out like the diva, they should be like DHB and be in camp to work on their skills and perfect their craft. DHB is already leaps and bounds ahead of crab diva.
Also, people say DHB cant catch and is all speed, well what good is it to have good hands with no speed like crabdiva. How r u going to catch a ball when you cant even beat a DB??
August 16th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Did not DHB stretch the field? Is that not what he came in to do? everything else, as he develops will fall into place and he will only get better.
The rookies will get better and better and veterans like Walker may or may not stay on the squad after this year but will be eventually be phased out and may eventually be a back up for the up and coming crop of young and talented receivers we have. We are loaded and deep. I believe Walker will definitely contribute to the cause to Win Now!!!
August 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
GALACTICGUS,
My point exactly. people need to quit hating. and you are right, we are loaded and deep.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Raiders 2nd Offensive series…
1st play: Dallas blitz resulting in a Jamarcus sack. Mcfadden did not pick up the blitz by the MLB.
2nd play: Mcfadden atones by taking his first carry 13 yds.
3rd play. Jamarcus pass to Schilens resulting in a first down. Excellent pass blocking by the O-Line, Russell had all day to throw.
4th play. Cowboys blitz again, picked up nicely by the O-Line again. Jamarcus sees an opening and runs 17 yds for another 1st down.
5th play: Pass deep to Heyward Bey. He is again double covered by the corner and the safety. Jim Plunkett comments that Russell has to do a better job of looking off the safety.
6th play: False start on Cooper Carlisle. 2nd time in two series that he has stymied the forward progress of the offense.
7th play: Russell pass attempt deflected. almost intercepted. 3rd and 15
8th play. Screen to Mcfadden resulting in a pickup of 9. Raiders forced to punt.
After this the backup came in for Romo while the Raiders still had their first team defense out there minus Asomugha.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
That was my point as of 2 days ago this team was being ripped by it’s own fans for beating the crap out of a SB team and giving up 10 points.
I could no longer just idly sit by and let that happen. NO we didn’t win the SB but it was a good start and they were getting ripped. It was just crazy!!
It’s what we’ve been waiting for and maybe it’s finally here………………..enjoy it!
August 16th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Kush Thanks!
Adios guy’s!
August 16th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Kush Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
I am only going to post my notes from the first two series of the game from both teams because that’s when all or most starters from both teams were in the game. Here goes…
First Dallas Offensive Series:
Kickoff: Excellent special teams tackle by Ekejiuba to ensure a minimal return. Holding call on Dallas backs them up even further.
1st play: Pressure on Romo. Ellis bats down Romo’s first pass attempt.
2nd play: Defense contains Cowboys on first rushing attempt for no gain.
3rd play: Raiders blitz on 3rd and 11 resulting in an incomplete pass by Romo. IMO if this had been the regular season, Asomugha could have been called for illegal contact down field but fortunately he wasn’t.
Dallas 3 and out.
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What a slug.
In other words, Dallas was 3 and out, and nothing more needed to be added?
Did you say anything? lol…WTF? Why post this drivel?
You “took notes”??
This is supposed to be indepth analysis?
I told you Kushy, you should avoid opening mouth as much as possible.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
The conclusion of the two series where the starters played for BOTH teams is this…
THE OFFENSE……………………………………..
Our First Offensive series was a drastic improvement over what we saw last year. The O-Line protected, opened up holes and held up very well against Dallas defense.
We were moving the ball at will but we were killed again by stupid penalties by Cooper Carlisle that shot us in the foot. Russell has to stop UNDERTHROWING his deep passes. The running game will be amazing.
Anyone who didn’t see the value of DHB in that game is a retarded, idiot, bottom line. A ROOKIE in his FIRST START was getting double teamed by the 1st team Dallas defense on almost every play. A ROOKIE in his first start getting that much respect from the 1st team defense means something. It means that Mcfadden, Bush, Higgins and Miller will have huge numbers this year!
Ricochet you’re a blind idiot. DHB didn’t drop any passes, he actually caught one across the middle in traffic. Go kill yourself.
THE DEFENSE……………………………………..
Our first defensive series was excellent. Quick, aggressive, dominant.
Our second defensive series was HORRIBLE. It is obvious when Nnamdi is NOT on the field. But still during that series Dallas had a string of 6 consecutive 1st DOWNS!
3 of them were on running plays. Only 1 of the running plays was a misdirection. The other two were RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE and to the LEFT SIDE
The end result was that horrible 3 man rush on 2nd and goal that allowed Romo 5 seconds to throw resulting in a Dallas TD. Unacceptable!
Routt is not ready yet. The starters need to be Asomugha and Chris Johnson. Our run defense sucked on that 2nd series. Morrisson needs to be moved outside or come off the bench.
Jay Richardson and Ellis need to be our base ends. Scott needs to pass rush.
Bottom line is that Dallas’ 1st team OUTPLAYED OUR FIRST TEAM FOR THE TIME THEY WERE BOTH ON THE FIELD TOGETHER. That’s why the score was 7-3.
When the second stringers came in, that’s when the Raiders started dominating, when Romo came OFF the field.
I’m just calling it like it actually was. Check the plays again in those first two series.
Posts # 146,149,153,160 and this one.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
BTW, Kushy..you stated you live right near the Coliseum, on Foothill?
Foothill is over 15 BLOCKS from the Coliseum..hell, it’s closer to 580 than 880 and the coliseum..but I will agree with you on this..you live in one of the scuzziest scums in the country, by your admission.
Let me guess.
You wear your Howie Long hand me down ratty jersey? Standing on the corner, brown bag in hand? Yelling at cars going by?
I’ll assume you’re not a kid anymore..so why the hell would you, willingly, live in a place that is not only ugly, but stinks?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
#6. Yeah I tried that tailgating training camp, but I over did it and blew my load for the season. I had nothing left. So depth charts will do for now, as booze is hard to find here in Iraq.
I’m jonesin’ for some tri-tip, and a tall cold Bud!
August 16th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Rackoshit. Isn’t it past your bedtime. Isn’t this the time of night you’re usually getting your stool pushed in by Crabtree.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
DesiraiderCA Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
# Richochet Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Crabdiva lighting it up in camp yet? boomerang.
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Interesting that after 3 plus weeks of camp, both Bey and Crabtree have about the same productivity, which is zilch.
Only difference is one is in camp, dropping balls, in games, dropping balls, and the other player is holding out for a better contract.
One of the two is doing what drafted players do this time of year, holding out.
the other is doing what drafted players are NOT supposed to do, which is look like a really really bad draft pick
BTW..I love how Bey did the exact same thing in the pro’s that he did in college, when a deep ball came to him…which is nothing.
don’t you think the guy could have at least gone for the ball?
Naw..why start now?
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R U seriously going to say DHB has done nothing?? Hes learned the playbook and is well versed in the system. Crabdiva doesnt even know what a pro offense looks like. No, Rookies are not supposed to be holding out like the diva, they should be like DHB and be in camp to work on their skills and perfect their craft. DHB is already leaps and bounds ahead of crab diva.
Also, people say DHB cant catch and is all speed, well what good is it to have good hands with no speed like crabdiva. How r u going to catch a ball when you cant even beat a DB??
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LMFAO..Yeah, I’M SAYING BEY HAS DONE NOTHING.
He sucks. You know he sucks. The coach knows he sucks. The players know he sucks, and HE knows he sucks. The big buildup, and he looked like crappola..caught ONE pass for 8 yds. I could have done that, with all of one minute of tellin me where to go.
The funniest thing you said was “Crabtree should be in camp, like Bey, perfecting his craft” lol..is that what that is? Perfecting dropping the ball? Is that an acquired skill?
And saying Crabtree can’t beat a DB?? are you stupid? Seriously, are you a total idiot, or just uninformed??
CRABTREE HAS EVERY RECORD THERE IS, GIVEN OUT IN COLLEGE…Bey has none..ZERO..ZILCH. Crabtree was the BEST WR IN COLLEGE..Bey wasn’t even close. Crabtree is the first rookie to win the Belitnikoff award..also the ONLY PLAYER TO EVER HAVE WON IT TWICE..you know..the award for THE BEST RECEIVER IN THE COUNTRY??
But I will agree with you on one thing..for some, holding out can really screw you up.
Look at the player who has HELD OUT THE LONGEST OF ANY PLAYER IN THE LAST DECADE..RUSSELL..all I can do is hope Crabtree doesn’t fail as miserably as Russell has.
Oh, that’s right.
Russell, while in college, had the exact SAME KNOCKS ON HIM AS HE’S NOW EXIBITING.
I’m not worried about Crabtree picking up the playbook.
Russell had to have the playbook dumbed down for him.
Still does, doesn’t he?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Yeah, Rackoshit’s still sucking Crabtree. Make sure to kiss him after you’re done getting sodomized by him ok Rackoshit.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Kush Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Rackoshit. Isn’t it past your bedtime. Isn’t this the time of night you’re usually getting your stool pushed in by Crabtree.
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Hey, If I were you, and lived in that shithole you live in? I would change the subject too.
If I admitted I’m so pathetic that I STILL LIVE IN ONE OF THE MOST REPRESSED AREAS ON THE STATE, MAYBE THE COUNTRY, I would hope no one repeated the question on why I stayed in that gutter.
Hey..maybe no one will ask?
And maybe no one will state that “Yeah, Foothill isn’t even near the Coliseum, you lying crock”.
But hey, loved hearing you WATCHED THE GAME AGAIN and took notes, LMAO..as everyone rolls their eyes and mutters “are you friggin serious”?
Moron.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Kush Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Yeah, Rackoshit’s still sucking Crabtree. Make sure to kiss him after you’re done getting sodomized by him ok Rackoshit.
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Oh geez..NO WONDER YOU LIVE WHERE YOU DO..you live at home with Mommy, still..don’t you?
Read that juvenile middle school weakass smack. Dude, you scream 15 years old.
Explains you babbling like a fool, and not having any clue on how close where you live is, to the Coliseum..once you’re old enough to get a license, you’ll have a better understanding.
Let me guess..everything you see regardin the Raiders is from Madden 10, isn’t it?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Richochet doesn’t get any pussy either.. lol
August 17th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Richochet Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Foothill is closer to 580 than 880 and the coliseum.
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Hahahahahahahahahah. ROTFFLMAO.
Rackoshit is still menstruating out of his mouth.
You are obviously a fu*k boy who probabbly never even comes to Oakland without a police escort. Foothill is actually 3 blocks from E14 St. aka International, which is where the 880 exit on High St is you idiot.
580 is off of Macarthur a long ways from Foothill. LOLOLOL. You idiot.
And naw man, I live by myself. I’m not afraid of Oakland. I’m from here.
Oakland’s all good. The Hells Angels are right down the street. It’s the Birthplace of The Raiders. That makes Oakland the greatest place on earth.
Now go finish sucking Crabtree.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Rackoshit-
The neighborhood that the Oakland Coliseum is in is one of the most dangerous in the city. Far worse than where I live.
66th mob is real and it didn’t start with the Raiders. lmao.
It’s actually 65 and 69 Village projects, 71st and Hamilton, and Spencer St. That’s where the Coliseum is. Hood sh*t. If you don’t like the hood, never come to the Coliseum, you might make a wrong turn and end up in a scene like Training day. Freakin’ coward.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Regarding Mike Mitchell; if he recovers from the hammy
“(Ohio S) Mike Mitchell is a good player. (Too many evaluators) are covering their ass (by dinging him). He can run and he will knock the (crap) out of you. Watch the Ohio State game – he had a great game. He was lights-out. The problem is that few scouts went into the program and studied him. The kid ran a 4.48 (in the 40) and he pulled up early. Where the Raiders screwed up – they could have taken him two rounds later. There was no need to take him as early as they did, but they did the same thing with Darrius Heyward-Bey. The old man (Al Davis) does not care about overspending. At worst, though, (Mitchell) will be a good special-teamer. Mark my words – he will be a good player. He is a banger. You may not want him at free (safety), but he’ll start in the box and be good at it.”
-Pro Football Weekly,”audibles”
August 17th, 2009 at 12:47 am
And saying Crabtree can’t beat a DB?? are you stupid? Seriously, are you a total idiot, or just uninformed??
CRABTREE HAS EVERY RECORD THERE IS, GIVEN OUT IN COLLEGE…Bey has none..ZERO..ZILCH. Crabtree was the BEST WR IN COLLEGE..Bey wasn’t even close. Crabtree is the first rookie to win the Belitnikoff award..also the ONLY PLAYER TO EVER HAVE WON IT TWICE..you know..the award for THE BEST RECEIVER IN THE COUNTRY??
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Smh… I’m not one wit the name calling so i’m not foing to call you rackoshit… But ehat crabtree did in college has nothing to do with the nfl. Yes he was the best receiver in “college” , but thats it, he was the best in “college”. He’s in the pros now baby. And all those db’s he beat just got a lil bit faster and a lil bit stronger, while the safeties and lb’shit a whole lot harder (no broken tackles poppin off here). All crabtree highlights come against no bump and run coverage. In the Nfl he will see nothing but bump and run, with him at a disadvantage already because most db’s in the league are faster than him anyways. I see him having trouble getting seperation. And yes, jerry rice wasn’t that fastest reciever in the league either, but how many jerry rices are there??? Hell there’s faster linebackers in the league than crabfeet (patrick willis, thomas howard).lol
But my point is, the argument of what the receivers did in college is pointless because this is college. Peter warrick was the top reciever in college at one point and how did he turn out?? Charles rogers??? Mike williams??? All bust so that shows what someone did in college guarantees nothing. As far as things go right now DHB and micheal crabgreeds stats are the same 0-0-0 until they play a regular season game with dhb slightly ahead, because he has actually gone up against nfl competition. And if you ask me crabtree has mike williams written allll over him. Believe me if crabtree was that great al would not have passed on him because we all know about al obssesion with can’t mmiss players. 9 teams passed on him… That doesn’t sound much like a can’t miss player to me.(;
August 17th, 2009 at 12:51 am
typo- i’m not going to call you rackoshit…
typo- But What crabtree did in college has nothing to do with the nfl.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:10 am
Norco Bob,
You definitely are your own best argument against evolution. But imagine this: You are lying down on your deathbed, dying of voluntary, malignant ignorance. But your mother, brother, sister, a Chaplin sits bedside begging you to ask God to forgive you for your sins and accept his son as your savior while you still have breath. She/he pleads with you to please accept Jesus, because she/he KNOWS the truth. You are “on the clock”, on the precipice between this life and the hereafter. All the trash talk that you can muster is impotent. You are anxious and scared because you CHOSE not to know what is coming – but you really do know. You are afraid to accept him because it is too easy. It can’t be that easy? You think you are not worthy to accept Him because you are a heathen and you have been most of your life. Then just out of the fear of ETERNAL REALITY (as opposed to ephemeral reality, which is the one you now live), JUST BEFORE the last breath you take before your candle flickers out, you decide to repent and accept Jesus into your heart. Hallelujah! You are in! In spite of your entire life of sin, you just accepted the best gift anyone could EVER accept in your life! God is good! He loves you so much that he will still let you into HEAVEN. Even though you know you don’t deserve it. We serve a Gracious God who loves all his children, including you. You can be saved from eternal salvation by simply accepting the gift, which is his son, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, he gave you a free will, and you are exercising it. Think about it, man. Stop being so scared. The gift will not harm you, it will only make your life more abundant!
Every person on this blog who knows the truth, please pray for this sole.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Dmac20 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:51 am
typo- i’m not going to call you rackoshit…
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no you sure didnt. twice. very well done lol!
and as far as the game, its preseason…
everybody is tired from 2-a-days and nobody calls a complete play. everything is fractional, situational, especially when its a reg season opponent you play.
like that famous “3-man-rush” at the goalline…it was fractional… it was just the “zone” without “blitz”…
DT drops perfectly underneath the first (or second) look and forces a hesitation, but without the “blitz” he finds Whitten mismatched on Routt with too much time… (play still could have worked and at least forced Romo to leave the pocket and make a play on the run, if either Howard or the safety on top didnt screw up. because with the DT now responsibel for the middle, one of them shoudda have the flats i guess. they fugged up and ended up trippling the middle receiver giving Romo the clean look, throwing lane)
now imagine the S, OLB or the CB rushing in on Romo with the DT taking away his first option…thats a pick if the LB comes, sack or a quarterback on the run with the ball in his hands if the DBs come on that play… IF everybody else doesnt screw it up like THOw or the Safety.
but reagrdless, that was a nice play that will be effective come regular season. they ran it, its on tape, and can now be corrected.
and thats what TC, practicing is all about…to learn by making mistakes.
ZONE-blitz baby! its coming and i LOVE it!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:29 am
maRk my words: Terdell Sands, 7 picks, 9 deflections–>starting CB in PB!!!
out
August 17th, 2009 at 2:44 am
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Morlon Greenwood article FRESH!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
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“The 6-0, 253 lb linebacker didn’t play football until his junior year. His assistant wrestling coach convinced him to try out for football and he was a state wrestling champ as a senior in the 215-pound class”
“In 07′ the sure tackler made 91 solo tackles, but in 08′ was dogged by injuries and lost time to the Texans younger tacklers. Green wood played in 15 games, started 10 and finished with 43 tackles”
“A larger roster bonus of $5 million dollars looming, the Texans cut ties with the speedy, experienced LB”
nice read. this guy could stick for a couple of years…
now out for real though…
August 17th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Seems like the Raiders are intent on phasing Kirk Morrison out.
There’s been alot of talk that Morrison isn’t suited to play MLB. Perhaps he’d be better off outside. But I have yet to see any indication that the Raids actually intend to move him outside.
We’ve seen indications that Brown is ready to take over at MLB. Howard isn’t moving anywhere, he’s locked in. Alston seems poised to possibly crack the starting line-up. Norris seemed to do well in his Raider debut, transitioning from DE. And now there’s the signing of Greenwood.
If the Raiders don’t intend to move Morrison outside, and he can’t start inside — what future does he have with the club ?
Could Kirk be on the way out ? Or will he just ride pine ? Hard to say, but there’s ample reason to believe that Morrison has fallen into disfavor with Marshall, Cable, and Davis.
One other observation and topic for disussion:
Trevor Scott seems to have excellent athletic ability and has shown some promise as a pass rusher. The problem is he’s really undersized to play DE. I know he’s beefed up, but still, he looks awfully small out there.
I almost hate to bring this up in light of past failed experiments of moving DEs (i.e. Brayton and Irons) to linebacker, but could Scott’s more natural postion be LB ?
He has the athletic ability to move in space, after all, he did play TE collegiately.
It’s hard to say why certain players have the ability to make the transition and others don’t. Apparently the Raiders believe that Slade Norris can make the switch, but never really considered moving Burgess – something the Patriots are going to supposedly try.
We know that Al Davis is definitely not averse to moving personnel into different positions if he feels it will benefit the player and team. We’ve seen it done successfully before, and we’ve also seen some failures.
It’s possible Scott may never be more than an undersized DE or situational pass rusher. It’s hard to envision him being stout enough or bulking up enough to be an every down DE.
Could his most natural position be LB ? Should the Raiders even consider moving him at this point in his career ?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:05 am
How many freddy awards did Rice win, the big 12 plays absolutely no D , screw crabtree I wanted Rey Rey instead anyway. College is College Peyton was the King of the world at UT while Tom Brady rode the pine well who gots 3 rings. Is t-rex gallery healthy yet?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 3:54 am
RAIDERMAN…hmm agree that Trevor is too small.
Perhaps we should switch to the 3-4? But then we’d need a total POWER NT. It actually seems like the guys we picked up in the draft are geared towards that scheme, all the LB/DE types. But without the true NT we can’t make the move.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:58 am
if we were 2 run a 3-4 (which we did vs.cowboys),how’s this 4 the LB’s…Norris and Howard outside…Scott and Brown inside…
August 17th, 2009 at 4:02 am
you need bigger DE’s in a 3-4 also…
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 am
I know Shaunessy is only a rookie but he is 6-5&270,about the same size as Howie.It remains 2B seen if he is as strong and quick as Howie tho.Ellis is 6-6 265 and solid,imo
August 17th, 2009 at 4:12 am
3-4 you also need more lb don’t know if we got the lb to run a 3-4. Man I want the season to start now bring on da chargers. I thought jruss looked better than what people were saying not to heavy, man that is a huge qb to tackle if you’re a db.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 4:17 am
Pete you’re right about that. Tommy Kelly would be one and then maybe Warren at end as well. Perhaps Ellis and Shaunessy can do it too as 4eva suggests?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:33 am
Jasper Brinkley wouldn’t fit in a 3-4
August 17th, 2009 at 4:42 am
BSPN has ranked us as number 30 in their “power” rankings….that is true BS
August 17th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Brinkley is roughly the same size as Matt Millen
August 17th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Good morning Nation! Do a google search on “Jeff Garcia’s wife” and you’ll see why he came up lame … we should ALL be so luckY!
August 17th, 2009 at 5:34 am
Chris Morris is a valuable part of this team,imo.It looks like he has no trouble playing RG,LG or center.5TH year player out of Michigan St.Good draft pick Big Al
August 17th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Finally saw the whole game against Dallas. Although it appeared the team as a whole played better, there is still some areas of concern. The first defense did well on Dallas’first series, then Barbar and Jones had their way with them. Yeah, our 2nd and 3rd teamers totally won the battle…but…
August 17th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Ahhh…seems like Raiderman made a good point about Scott!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Morning Hwnrdr!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Good Morning 4eva, Tbone, Copenhagen, NMF…
August 17th, 2009 at 6:12 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, HWNDR, 4EVA,TBONE.SHOULD, I SAY SHOULD SHOW MAJOR IMPROVEMENT IN 49ER GAME AS FAR AS OFF-SIDES AND OTHER THINGS ,WE HOPE..
August 17th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Morning Nation!!!
Thanks 4eva for getting Marley the FF info!!!
Top 10 rushing this year I feel it!!!!!!
Garcia=trade
Sands=cut
We are a DT and RT away from being “kinda” solid all the way around with the last two signings!!!
P.S. Madden 10 rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mcfadden and Chaz are the best playes on the field!!
And Murphy Catches every thing throwin at him!!!
I love it!!!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:16 am
I agree Dirt-Lot…Cable seems 2 have the team MUCH improved from last year.Looks like we progrssing.Of course Still much 2B done,but moving right-along,imo
August 17th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Good Morning OAKlifer!!!
Hope you had a wonderfull week-end.No problemo with Bob Marley,glad 2 help.I told him he was lucky he isnt in my league and he said he would crush me =).Well next year I wanna play Bob Marle.Man this stuff is great.I have ranked all my players and I think I am ready.Rookie high-hopes =)
August 17th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Wow what a huge target Chaz is . Chaz,Z.Miller,JLH,Murphy,Dmac,Bush jruss finally has some weapons , if the o-line can give him sometime we should be much better on O. Still not sold on D but always have high hopes.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:24 am
4eva if you want you can run two teams join up on the other bro we only have 5 guys in there!!!
Then Bob can crush you!! LOL plus running two teams you will get better by time the second draft rolls around!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:30 am
I might OAK,but I’m laid-off and dont know if I have the time =).I think I’ll start with one league so I dont bite off more than I can chew
August 17th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Sounds like Manning Jr. is being abused at corner by the likes of S. Bayes…hmmmm well maybe he will better serve as a backup saftey..either way at least like he said he dsnt need to be in the lineup to help push guys help guys learn he is a vet who unlike most other Raider corners is a physical player who will hit ya…(when he’s not getting beat)
August 17th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Plus I got Dakota as my 1st game ever.Man what luck =(
August 17th, 2009 at 6:34 am
OAKlifer
Thanks for setting up that second fantasy league, we still need a few players so keep letting people know about it.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:37 am
I might OAK,but I’m laid-off and dont know if I have the time =).
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LMAO….that is funny as hell..not sure if you meant it that way but I laughed out loud when I saw that!!! you should have more time then anybody!?!?!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:38 am
[...] Oakland Raiders signed former Houston linebacker Morlon Greenwood on Sunday. He will add depth and he could see playing [...]
August 17th, 2009 at 6:41 am
OAK…Right LOL
I just tried 2 join 2nd League and it said full and there is a problem with name.I’m trying Bob Marley!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:44 am
JerryMac’sKidz2
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PW: NATION
just tried 2 join 2nd League and it said full and there is a problem with name
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Try this info bro!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Well I gotta go 2 my “gardening center”.BBL NATION!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:47 am
LOL Oaksterdam!!!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Ok OAKlifer,I am now in 2 leagues thankx bro…BBL
August 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Good work 4eva!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Good Morning Dirt Lot, OAK…
The 49er game…I’m hoping that we will see improvement in all areas. I hope that Ike is alright with that shoulder injury.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:01 am
DO NOT SCROLL UP!!! LOL
I think I just lost about 25-45 IQ points reading some of the post from last night WOW!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 7:04 am
I hope that Ike is alright with that shoulder injury.
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Me too our ST is REAL strong and we need to keep that unit in tact!!! Plus we want our LB competition to keep running thro preseason!! but Ike being out a few days gives greenwood a shot to shine and I think he could be a good LB here with us…………
August 17th, 2009 at 7:19 am
4evaRaider Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 am
I know Shaunessy is only a rookie but he is 6-5&270,about the same size as Howie.It remains 2B seen if he is as strong and quick as Howie tho.Ellis is 6-6 265 and solid,imo
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Oh boy! Here we go with the second coming of Howie comparisons again. We have one eeeeevvvverrrrryyyyy year!
August 17th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Florida Pete Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
we don’t need a small and fast MLB…
we need beef… big beef…
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Norco Bob Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Pete you sound gay.
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Posts between Narco Bob and Florida Pete are funny man. Talking about nothing to do on a Sunday night.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:26 am
We need BEEF!!!!BIG BEEF!!!!!
Ha HA HA HA!!!! LOL, LOL!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Florida Pete Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Norco Bob Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Pete you sound gay.
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that’s okay…
you sound stupid…
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CJ…
you left out the best part…
August 17th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I did leave out the conclusion my Bad!
Florida Pete why do you even post with Norco?
He is a clown man! The more people post with him the more crazy he gets. Drugs, poverty and time don’t mix. : )
August 17th, 2009 at 7:42 am
LOL Morning Pete, CJ!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Drugs, poverty and time don’t mix. : )
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Ahhh but Drugs, poverty and oregano…now thats a mix!!!!!
Ohh thought you meant tyhme my bad…
August 17th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Good day to you all…bring on the 9ers!
August 17th, 2009 at 7:51 am
priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Name a DT that doesn’t give up any yardage wether he’s doubled or not?? name one. Never get’s pushed of the point?? Name one?
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But when a DT is getting double teamed in the run game…that means one less guard heading full bore at a linebacker. This allows a good linebacker to attack the hole unobstructed…that’s why you see other teams (with good DTs) have linebackers flying around the field making highlight reel plays..
Meanwhile, in Oakland…we see a lot of tackles 3,4,5 yards down the field or worse….and you see linebackers getting pounded.
Don’t have me go back re-play those clips from 2008….
Tom Cable said it himself…the team is playing to high (no leverage) and its something that has hurt this team in the past.
They’ve got about 20 or so days to get it straightened out
August 17th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Morning. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Orton throw 3 ints this weekend. Very nice!
I erased the game off my DVR last night, so if someone that still has the game recorded would do me a favor and count the number of double teams Warren received I would greatly appreciate it. Priesttj claims GW was doubled 8 times…I think he is full of schit.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
good morning AM crew!
glad to hear the Raider have replaced Foschi & Gray with Manning & Greenwood …
I’m surprised the Raiders are playing an injured Alston rather than a healthy Morrison. you would think that Brown at SLB and Morrison at MLB would be more productive even if Alston was healthy!
I hope Greenwood makes the team. In 2007 he had 119 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT, 1 forced fumble, 4 pass def.
Last year he was phased out in favor of youngsters Xavier Adibi & Zac Diles. Then they added Brian Cushing and Cato June via the draft & FA making him expendable this offseason
August 17th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Priesttj sure likes to make a lot of excuses for the DT’s, not only in the preseason game but in general. Curious to see what his “explanation” would be about our league-worst run D last year.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
alright guys. I’m ready to take some pie in the face!
after reading all about Chaz Schilens’ performance against Dallas, chemistry with Russell and comments by Nnamdi I’ve changed my stance on the kid. Perhaps he will be our #1 WR and have a big soph season?
you all were right, I was wrong. However, I still don’t expect Heyward-Bey to be on the bench for 2 or 3 years as a “sit & learn” approach. This still doesn’t change the fact that last year Higgins was more impressive (better stats, more explosive & durable) than Schilens last year. Chaz must have worked his tail off since last season ended and I’m proud of him. Somebody needed to step up!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Vegas,
It is the fan’s fault for not supporting the d-line…lol
August 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
LOL!!!!!
Chiefs sign WR Lelie, no stranger to AFC West
LOL hahaahh!!! That will help!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Just watch the first two or three Dallas drives and focus on Warren…several times the dude was shoved backwards 4+ yards when taken on one on one…
…maybe he wasn’t trying…he has games where he seems to not care. Just the kind of DT we need!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:12 am
NATION, What is UP???????????
How are you guys doing, I know its only presea but we got no love, zero, nada, zilch from the mediots…..
Its okay they will get a chance when we start winning this year.
“IF” our defense is better than last year, we will definetly win more games than last year….
August 17th, 2009 at 8:14 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
LOL!!!!!
That’s what happens when the starter throws interceptions on his first three series of the preseason, as Kyle Orton did Friday night in San Francisco?
LOL hahaahh!!! That will help!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:14 am
anybody willing to take some pie in the face for bashing my boys Ricky Brown & Michael Huff?
Man! Romo found Witten on that play and beat Routt & Branch … the D-Line gave him like what? 9 seconds to throw?
Dallas starters beat ours and I’m not convinced we would have beat them if it was the regular season. We have better depth than they do, but unless somebody gets injured it doesn’t matter. penalties killed us too(thanks Cooper Carlisle!) and the run defense is a huge question mark
August 17th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Double R, I dont expect DHB to be on the bench at all…
Walker better come in and play his A$$ off in the preasea or he will sit. These young guys we have at WR’s are no joke. the work ethic, the hunger, the competition. ALL of our WR’s looked good.
DHB is going to start day 1…….
August 17th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Ok, I watched the game about 5 times, or at least the first half. And I have rewound, reverse angled, and all that other fun stuff the DVR lets you do.
The concern stems from the 2nd drive and the notion that they were able to run the ball at will. Just more propaganda if your conclusion is the DTs were the problem.
1) How can you ignore the fact that Nnamdi was out for that series?
Contrary to what you guys are saying, that drive had a lot of Romo, Williams, and Routt involved. Long out to Williams on the sideline, Routt flagged for holding Williams, and Routt getting beat for the TD. There was another 2 passes to the other side, one where CJ bounced off Bennett instead of tackling him which lead to a nice gain.
And we ALL know how effective Nnamdi is in run support, right? That reverse never happens on his side if he’s in there, and that Felix Jones run doesn’t go as far. Routt was never in the play.
2) The only guy we need to be talking about from the Dline is Trevor Scott. First of all, there were only 3 running plays on that drive that were a concern, and the longest one only went for a little over 10 yds. Each one of those plays were run right at Scott, and he was PANCAKED by the TE on 2 of those plays. The other, the reverse to Crayton, he totally bit down on the run.
The DTs are not the issue. So what that they get pushed back 2 yds instead of pushing forward? As long as they hold that gap, they are doing their job. Holding a back to 2 or 3 yds per carry is doing a good job. Scott should be able to hold his gap the same way instead of opening a hole by getting tossed around and pancaked. Morrsion needs to be in his gap, as do everyone else.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Yeah, and matt cassell looked like garbage also, i think i hate the donkeys more than the coks.
We bang on Mr. Davis but damn that franchise flamed in one year. ROFLMAO at the donkeys……
August 17th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Rockstar, what problem with the Run D? Like Priesttj points out, we completely shut down Keon Lattimore in the second half, LOL!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Warren was not getting blown 4 yds off the ball.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Rachoschit – the longer crabgreed holds out the stupider you look and sound. The diva claim that dogged him coming out of college is obviously true. College production has nothing to do with the pros. Mike Williams ring a bell? How many heisman trophy winners are selling insurance? Get my point? I don’t think he will ever play for the niners. he should just move to Paris and sew pants…
August 17th, 2009 at 8:19 am
At least twice he did Jhill.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:20 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
alright guys. I’m ready to take some pie in the face!
after reading all about Chaz Schilens’ performance against Dallas, chemistry with Russell and comments by Nnamdi I’ve changed my stance on the kid. Perhaps he will be our #1 WR and have a big soph season?
you all were right, I was wrong. However, I still don’t expect Heyward-Bey to be on the bench for 2 or 3 years as a “sit & learn” approach. This still doesn’t change the fact that last year Higgins was more impressive (better stats, more explosive & durable) than Schilens last year. Chaz must have worked his tail off since last season ended and I’m proud of him. Somebody needed to step up!
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The regular season hasn’t started yet….but yes, Schilens emergence is very, very encouraging.
Looks like JLH is being put on the shelf with no chance to even compete for a starting job…I was wrong on that one big time. For the record, I still like JLH and what he does as a #2 receiver.
Rockstar, in light of the questions being posed at linebacker and defensive line…do you think it was smart to draft two wide receivers?
August 17th, 2009 at 8:21 am
And what about the first series?
August 17th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Jhill: do you think our pass defense will be exposed Week 1 against San Diego like it was Week 1 against Denver last year?
Dallas wasn’t afraid to go after CJ/Routt.. Branch wasn’t covering Witten on that TD catch either
I think Rivers might be licking his chops at Gates vs. Branch and Chambers & Jackson against whoever Nnamdi isn’t covering
August 17th, 2009 at 8:22 am
JHill,
If a DT is getting shoved back 2-3 yards, he probably is in no position to make a tackle, he is getting shoved around. A DT needs to hold the LOS or penetrate, forcing the flow of the play to be disrupted, and making the RB change directions at the line of scrimmage, not 6 yards down the field with a full head of stem.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:22 am
For sure don’t expect Crabgreed to show this week if he shows at all. Joint practices with the raiders? Puleese… Somebody would take his head off… Love to see that…
August 17th, 2009 at 8:23 am
We’ll never stop the run as long as we have Warren playing along side TK.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Watching the game now Dakota,
1st series Gerrard Warren doubled on the first pass play that Ellis deflected, and the second play where Nnamdi stuffed the run. That second play he was moved 2 yds off the LOS by that double.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:25 am
He was doubled on the 3rd and 11 pass play that Romo threw away.
I’m going to fast forward to the second series.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:26 am
It’s a good feeling knowing Denver is back to giving us two wins a year, too bad it’s not at the expense of beating up old Horse face. Still, I’ll take the wins.
Just hope everyone realizes, that the Monday night game against San Diego isn’t just “The first game of the season.” It’s the new war front for the AFC West: the line in the sand; the chance to shift the balance of power back to the dark side of the force; the chance for the Nation to rise up, to led the league in rushing, the second coming of Tyrone and Napoleon, a corner back tandum the likes of which we’ve not seen since McDaniel and Anderson, and a deep wide receiver corps, like when it seemed everyone with a heisman trophy was wearing Silver and Black; It’s time to let the good times roll, to have nerds like Priest put down their spread sheets and slide rules and pick up a brew and a brat; it’s time to dawn the spikes and face paint and Bo Jackson and Tim Brown jerseys; it’s time for the Black Hole to get their rabies shot and it’s time to support this team on their march to the playoffs.
Tom Cable and the rest of the guys don’t neep our opinions on cover2, they just need us to show up on Sunday, get drunk and rowdy and enjoy the Raiders kicking the crap out of people once again.
This guy has the spirit of Madden in his guts and I trust that that’s going to show big time, Starting against the Charges.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Rockstar,
I share your concerns about the MNF opener. If Rivers has all day in the pocket…he will kill the Raiders…
That D-Line looked all too pedestrian…still overpursuing on those roll-outs and playfakes…still playing on the wrong side of the LOS…
CAble mentioned that they are playing too high. A D-Line playing to high…is a D-Line getting pushed around….and that’s a scary prospect given the runners and passer in S.D
August 17th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Strange that Warren is so good, yet no team that has him plays well against the run…very strange indeed.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:29 am
RaiderRobG Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:26 am
It’s a good feeling knowing Denver is back to giving us two wins a year, too bad it’s not at the expense of beating up old Horse face. Still, I’ll take the wins.
Just hope everyone realizes, that the Monday night game against San Diego isn’t just “The first game of the season.” It’s the new war front for the AFC West: the line in the sand; the chance to shift the balance of power back to the dark side of the force; the chance for the Nation to rise up, to led the league in rushing, the second coming of Tyrone and Napoleon, a corner back tandum the likes of which we’ve not seen since McDaniel and Anderson, and a deep wide receiver corps, like when it seemed everyone with a heisman trophy was wearing Silver and Black; It’s time to let the good times roll, to have nerds like Priest put down their spread sheets and slide rules and pick up a brew and a brat; it’s time to dawn the spikes and face paint and Bo Jackson and Tim Brown jerseys; it’s time for the Black Hole to get their rabies shot and it’s time to support this team on their march to the playoffs.
Tom Cable and the rest of the guys don’t neep our opinions on cover2, they just need us to show up on Sunday, get drunk and rowdy and enjoy the Raiders kicking the crap out of people once again.
This guy has the spirit of Madden in his guts and I trust that that’s going to show big time, Starting against the Charges.
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Nice Post!
Great read on monday! I’M DRINKING THAT!
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August 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am
in light of the questions being posed at linebacker and defensive line…do you think it was smart to draft two wide receivers?
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S&B: you know we’re gonna take heat in here for talking about what should have happened on draft day, but here it goes …
Round 1 – Eugene Monroe
Round 2 – Ron Brace
I didn’t expect to see Monroe still available at #7. I wanted Crabtree because I figured the top 4 OL would all be gone by 7th. Al Davis would have paid Crabs with essentially the same contract he gave DHB. No holdout in Oakland. Crabs is holding out because he was the Top WR in the draft and wants to be paid like it, regardless of what draft slot he landed in. We don’t know who will be the better pro. All we know is that as of today, he’s still injured & unsigned. If he was a part our team Schilens, Higgins & Murphy would be leading the WR corps until he’s healthy – which should be before the regular season starts ala Javon Walker. I’m glad we got Heyward-Bey though. I think this kid is going to be a player!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am
2nd series
1st dn pass to Bennett for 7 yds
2nd and 3, Barber run for 10 yds. Warren doubled and blown probably 5 yds off the ball, lol! I couldn’t even see him. The funnier thing is Trevor Scott ended up on the left side of the play. I stop, paused, rewound, etc, and still can’t figure out how that happened.
I’m going to watch it one more time, but that’s 4 double teams on Warren and counting.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Question:
Would Al Davis let the cornerback or safety position go into a season with an equivalent starting talent like what we are seeing at linebacker and Defensive Line?
Davis has used 1st and 2nd round picks to draft or trade for D-Back talent consistently…signed big free agents like Gibril Wilson…yet nothing is done up front….and that’s why we constantly have this conversation
August 17th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Jhill, I’ll have to re-record the game and watch it again…you are looking at #61 right? What are you counting as double teams? Every time the C or G glances at Warren?
August 17th, 2009 at 8:34 am
We will get a better look at the run D as the Niner’s will be testing out their duo of Gore and Coffee Saturday night.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Trevor Scott getting walked down the line, and Morrison not being in his gap is the problem with this play. I actually found a good freeze frame and Warren is holding his double team pretty well. The hole is wide open though where Scott should be and big 70 is pulling to take out Kirk. Mismatch of course.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Anyway, 2nd and 3, they gave up a first down by way of a 10 yd run. Well designed play by Dallas to exploit Scott.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:36 am
what do you expect with 6-6,6-7 DT’s???
August 17th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Next play, 1st and 10 for Dallas, 15 yd out to Williams in front of Routt
August 17th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Oh, and Warren was doubled on that play too.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:37 am
No pie Rockstar,we ALL are a little cautious considering the last 7 years.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Scott got dominated vs the run last year too. He’s a younger, cheaper, healthier version of Derrick Burgess.
Here’s hoping Ellis, Richardson, Shaughnessy or Gunheim get most of the work on obvious running plays …
Sulak was essentially a Scott/Burgess clone too. glad we didn’t keep him. kind of upset we drafted him though!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Rockstar,
I am fine with Heyward-Bey. I wasn’t a big Crabtree fan anyway…but the lack of talent in the front 7 was virtually ignored.
What is Louis Murphy’s role going to be? Is he the #3 receiver? How about #4? He ain’t starting on this team unless there is an injury.
Yet at linebacker & DT…we are converting tight ends and bringing in undrafted free agents.
We obviously don’t have a number 1 solution at MLB. Don’t have a number 1 solution at SLB…and there is NO ONE PUSHING TOMMY KELLY AND GERARD WARREN TO GET BETTER.
Just shows where the focus is….
Flame away~!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:38 am
as long as Johnnie Lee has 5 or 6 chances at receptions a game,let DHB start
August 17th, 2009 at 8:40 am
I’ll take you word for it Jhill…at least until I watch the game again, lol. We’ll see.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:41 am
AND…if we kepp rotating our speed-demon WR’s and let them do 40 yard sprints on almost every play,the opposing DB’s will be cooked by the end of the 3rd.I predict a big 4th quarter from us all year,if we do this,imo
August 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Next play, Felix Jones 13 yds scamper. Once again, Trevor Scott tossed to the side which opens up a nice hole.
Now this is a play that Warren was singled up and had a chance to toss his guy and slow up the play, He didn’t do it. It would have been a HELLUVA play by him, but it didn’t happen.
But the issue with the play is Morrison NOT MOVING from the spot where he lined up. NO WAY big 70 should be able to beat him to that hole from the other side of the field. Super slow recognition from Kirk, and Scott being tossed to the side was the problem that we hoped for a big play by Warren to band aid.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Oh, and Warren was doubled on that play too
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If Warren is getting doubled on a passing play….someone else needs to get free…namely Tommy Kelly or Trevor Scott….Someone has to beat their man…if the other lineman can’t do that…then you have to blitz….
Can’t just let the QB stand back there for 5 and 6 seconds looking down the field….you can have Asomugha, Willie Brown, Ed Reed and Troy Polumalu in the secondary and you are still giving up yards….
August 17th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Next play, defensive holding on Routt
August 17th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Next play, reverse, and Warren was even doubled on that.
Scott and Thomas Howard lost contain on that play
August 17th, 2009 at 8:45 am
if Warren was doubled almost every play, where was Tommy Kelly? picking his nose? Kelly was praised by Rob Ryan, Warren Sapp, Bill Belichek, etc etc as the next big thing … a beast at DT!
this guy is paid like one of the Top 5 DT’s in the game. If we have 2 penetrator/UT types at DT, shouldn’t Kelly be the one that gets doubled?
is he not 100 percent healthy yet? not motivated?
whats his problem ???
August 17th, 2009 at 8:45 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Next play, Felix Jones 13 yds scamper. Once again, Trevor Scott tossed to the side which opens up a nice hole.
Now this is a play that Warren was singled up and had a chance to toss his guy and slow up the play, He didn’t do it. It would have been a HELLUVA play by him, but it didn’t happen.
But the issue with the play is Morrison NOT MOVING from the spot where he lined up. NO WAY big 70 should be able to beat him to that hole from the other side of the field. Super slow recognition from Kirk, and Scott being tossed to the side was the problem that we hoped for a big play by Warren to band aid.
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How long do we have to keep seeing this s$^L.
Get a defensive end that can play the run AND the pass…get linebackers that can shed blockers and play downhill and get DTs that clog running lanes and occupy Guards and Centers….
The debate is getting tiring because we see the same damn results on the field and the same damn reasons
August 17th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Next play, screen pass to Felix Jones. No double on Warren
August 17th, 2009 at 8:47 am
If Warren is getting doubled on a passing play….someone else needs to get free…namely Tommy Kelly
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LOL. you beat me to it S&B !!!
August 17th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Next play run D hold them out of the end zone ..
Can’t tell who was doubled
August 17th, 2009 at 8:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:45 am
if Warren was doubled almost every play, where was Tommy Kelly? picking his nose? Kelly was praised by Rob Ryan, Warren Sapp, Bill Belichek, etc etc as the next big thing … a beast at DT!
this guy is paid like one of the Top 5 DT’s in the game. If we have 2 penetrator/UT types at DT, shouldn’t Kelly be the one that gets doubled?
is he not 100 percent healthy yet? not motivated?
whats his problem ???
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Good question and that’s the big point. The front 7 is just a pedestrian group…but they are paid (or lauded) as elite talents.
Top 5 paid at a position. He should be looking like Haynesworth or something…..you want to see talent…look at Asomugha….that’s how you own your position.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:48 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Question:
Would Al Davis let the cornerback or safety position go into a season with an equivalent starting talent like what we are seeing at linebacker and Defensive Line?
Davis has used 1st and 2nd round picks to draft or trade for D-Back talent consistently…signed big free agents like Gibril Wilson…yet nothing is done up front….and that’s why we constantly have this conversation
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I know Al does this and can only come up with this:
Raider defense (Al’s Defense) requires specialty talent at the CB position (see Deangelo Hall) but Raider DT position is pretty standard as far as what is expected of them. My guess is Al feels in order to keep the D competitive, even if the D-line is under par, they couldn’t even function as a deffense without Corners who can cover man-to-man better than most.
Like the DHB pick, Al looks for a “type” of player with the best upside potential in first round picks, and thinks if we tackles the skill positions in those rounds he can find guys in later rounds who can get the job done to compliment the DB’s.
Just a thought….
August 17th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Jhill,
So did Warren do his job on the felix Jones run? He wasn’t doubled on that play and he was pushed around like a little girl.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Next play, flag
Then I think the next play will be Witten beating Routt.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:49 am
1 Higgins + 1 Garcia = 1 Jaspar Brinkley
Big Al… make the trade…
August 17th, 2009 at 8:50 am
you all were right, I was wrong. However, I still don’t expect Heyward-Bey to be on the bench for 2 or 3 years as a “sit & learn” approach. This still doesn’t change the fact that last year Higgins was more impressive (better stats, more explosive & durable) than Schilens last year. Chaz must have worked his tail off since last season ended and I’m proud of him. Somebody needed to step up!
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Teams rarley go with one WR hence even thou one lines up on the left one on the right X, Y, Z how ever you want to label them a team usally has 3 starters IMHO…even the Number one slot guy is a starter in my book…..I think DHB on one side Chaz on the other with Higgins/Murphey p[laying in the slot we will be unstopable!!!! Javon to back up Chaz man we are deep at last years weak link !!! Good work Mr. Davis
August 17th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Big question marks at MLB.
Big question marks at SLB
Big question marks at RDE (run game)
Question marks at DT
John Marshall has about 20 days to sort this out
August 17th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Jhill: do you think our pass defense will be exposed Week 1 against San Diego like it was Week 1 against Denver last year?
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No I don’t. We will blitz more, I think, and D Hall and his 10 yds off the ball shyt is gone too. I think Branch will be better than Wilson was, at least in coverage.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:57 am
JHill,
If a DT is getting shoved back 2-3 yards, he probably is in no position to make a tackle, he is getting shoved around. A DT needs to hold the LOS or penetrate, forcing the flow of the play to be disrupted, and making the RB change directions at the line of scrimmage, not 6 yards down the field with a full head of stem.
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Not sure how 2-3 yds turned into 6 yds down the field. But I will say that if a DT is holding double team 2 yds off the ball, then that’s probably a 900lb road block that the RB has to go around, right?
August 17th, 2009 at 8:57 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:48 am
I know Al does this and can only come up with this:
Raider defense (Al’s Defense) requires specialty talent at the CB position (see Deangelo Hall) but Raider DT position is pretty standard as far as what is expected of them. My guess is Al feels in order to keep the D competitive, even if the D-line is under par, they couldn’t even function as a deffense without Corners who can cover man-to-man better than most.
Like the DHB pick, Al looks for a “type” of player with the best upside potential in first round picks, and thinks if we tackles the skill positions in those rounds he can find guys in later rounds who can get the job done to compliment the DB’s.
Just a thought….
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AZ Raider,
I agree with your assessment. I think he looks at the positions not known for athleticism (MLB, SLB, DT) as positions that the Raiders can get by on with lower picks and good coaching….Notice how the WLB and DEs are speedy guys for the most part….Thomas Howard is speedy and good by the way…
But looking at the team you are right. Look at the O-Line…Mop Handle, Carlisle…castoff vets from Denver…Satele, had for a 6th round pick…
He did try with Gallery a few years ago…and because that kid busted…I don’t think the Raiders will ever draft an O-Lineman that high again…
August 17th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Big question marks at MLB.
Big question marks at SLB
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S&B: Disagree. Brown & Morrison will be fine …
Need better play from the D-line imo
Dwaine Board has a tough job!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:00 am
you are looking at #61 right? What are you counting as double teams? Every time the C or G glances at Warren?
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LOL …
They were legit double teams. There was no need for anyone to peel off and help elsewhere sicen Scott was being handled so easily, and Morrison was no where to be found. I’m sure he didn’t “need” to be doubled, but he certainly was.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:03 am
If Warren is getting doubled on a passing play….someone else needs to get free…namely Tommy Kelly or Trevor Scott….Someone has to beat their man…if the other lineman can’t do that…then you have to blitz….
Can’t just let the QB stand back there for 5 and 6 seconds looking down the field….you can have Asomugha, Willie Brown, Ed Reed and Troy Polumalu in the secondary and you are still giving up yards….
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Are you really that stuck on the DT position that you move to TK now? ON PASSING PLAYS?
LOL!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I don’t care how bad KC or Broncos are how often have we swept both in a year not very often not even in our best years. KC made the best move in the offseason firing edwards he was awful.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:04 am
No kidding, I was really frustrated by the recent decline at wide out but that seems like it got fixed, with a little too much overkill IMO, and at the expense of the still terrible run D. Wish we never got rid of Grady Jackson! It was nice when we were deep enough to have him as a reserve.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:05 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Big question marks at MLB.
Big question marks at SLB
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S&B that may be the toughest comp in camp……now with greenwood pushing them I say we need D-line and a real RT!!! those are GLARING needs we at least have able bodies to man the LB core.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:45 am
if Warren was doubled almost every play, where was Tommy Kelly? picking his nose? Kelly was praised by Rob Ryan, Warren Sapp, Bill Belichek, etc etc as the next big thing … a beast at DT!
this guy is paid like one of the Top 5 DT’s in the game. If we have 2 penetrator/UT types at DT, shouldn’t Kelly be the one that gets doubled?
is he not 100 percent healthy yet? not motivated?
whats his problem ???
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Cmon, U Guys!
There was not 1 play run to Tommy Kelly’ side. NOT ONE. Is he supposed to run to the other side of the field and make up for Scott and Morrison? This is ridiculous!
TK was the one who dropped into coverage at the goal line. The other 2 plays Romo made, a quick PA fake completion to Bennett, and the out to Williams were his fault?
REEEEEEE-CHING!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Brinkly is a stud….But so is Higgins….
We could bring back Frantz for free or trade Javon and Garcia or Garcia and Sands or hell Garcia and a 3rd round pick…At least we know Brinkly can play..LOL unlike the fastest guy left in the 3rd round when were on the board…….
August 17th, 2009 at 9:11 am
RaiderRobG,
And any one else…….
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August 17th, 2009 at 9:12 am
So did Warren do his job on the felix Jones run? He wasn’t doubled on that play and he was pushed around like a little girl.
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I’d probably say no, and I’m probably bowing to the blog pressure! I don’t want to look like Warren’s dad or anything. Trying to stay objective.
You guys are a tuff crowd though. After being doubled on how many straight plays, he finally gets a single block, holds his position well, but doesn’t shed the block to make the tackle. I would have liked to see him shed his block. But he didn’t get moved off the line, they ran to his right, directly in the hole where Scott should have been.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:14 am
JHill,
John Marshall still has 20 days so I think we are all getting a little ahead of ourselves.
I am a little more irritated that there just doesn’t seem to be anyone on that front 7 (except Howard/Ellis) that you can look to and say….wow, that guy is a monster…or…this guy is a bonnafide starter in this league….or..he should have a monster year….
You are talking the same stuff from last year…DEs not holding their point of attack, linebackers overpursuing or not in their place to make the play…and the DT talk still sounds more uninspiring (they are doing ok..) versus inspiring (look at that beast in the middle)
We all know what the opponent is going to throw at that defense. They need pass rush and slow down the run.
The roster is basically the same…Ellis seems to be an upgrade and Scott showed promise last year…maybe Kelly’s knee injury slowed him down last yr
I just want legit starters to emerge from that fron 7 and play competently…not looking for superstars…the Raiders don’t invest in these positions…so can we at least get some quality starters?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I say we need D-line and a real RT!!! those are GLARING needs
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sign Jon Runyan, Mark Tauscher, Jonas Jennings or Levi Jones in FA …
sign Darwin Walker, John Thornton, Dewayne Robertson or Brian Young in FA …
these guys couldn’t be any worse than guys like James Marten, Mark Wilson, Erik Pears, Marcus Johnson, Terdell Sands, Ryan Boschetti, William Joseph & Desmond Bryant IMO!
we do need a higher level of competition on both lines of scrimmage
August 17th, 2009 at 9:16 am
OAKlifer Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:05 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Big question marks at MLB.
Big question marks at SLB
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S&B that may be the toughest comp in camp……now with greenwood pushing them I say we need D-line and a real RT!!! those are GLARING needs we at least have able bodies to man the LB core.
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Ricky Brown and Jon Alston have never excelled in the NFL on defense…Special teams..Yes!…Defense, No.
So those are question marks…the fact that Kirk Morrison is in a battle with these two shows where he is.
Rey Maul….forget it
August 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I just showed you how DT was not a problem SnB, but you just INSIST that it is.
I guess it is what it is with you my man!
Ricky Brown is our MLB. The only ? is Kirk Morrison, and him running with the 2nd team, seems like we have out answer. They didn’t give Ricky Brown that tender this offseason for nothing.
I will say that Alston’s foot is a concern, which is why they brought in Greenwood. the position was also addressed in the draft with Slade Norris, who by the way looked really good.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Florida Pete Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 8:49 am
1 Higgins + 1 Garcia = 1 Jaspar Brinkley
Big Al… make the trade…
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I would have done this weeks ago, problem is Farve is going to go to the vikes…..
August 17th, 2009 at 9:19 am
SnB offense defense specialteams
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Under stood bro when you look at it that way it makes sense…Morrison should not be fighting for a rost4er spot with two ST standouts……point taken we are weak in that area and that has been confirmed by the coaches with the signing of greenwood I feel ya on that!!!
Rey now that………..nevermind
August 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
SnB,
One DT that they completely avoided, and another one that they constantly felt the need to double team?
What more can you ask for from your DTs? I think nothing! We need to ask why the DTs are getting doubled and the DEs and LBs are not making plays!
And the guys who are not making plays, let’s get the new guys in there (Shaugnessy and Ricky Brown) and let’s see what they can do. Brown played really well except for that one missed tackle in the 2nd qtr.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Lifer, thanks for the invite, but I just started an online EMT-I course, in addition to 12 hours work days. I hardly have the time to procrastinate on the blog here.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
There was not 1 play run to Tommy Kelly’ side. NOT ONE.
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sorry Jhill. I didn’t get to watch the game. I was asking you a question. thanks for answering. so if Dallas wouldn’t run at Kelly/Ellis all night they must have looked pretty darn impressive. right?
At least 1 side of the LOS is stout. haha!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Ricky Brown and Jon Alston have never excelled in the NFL on defense…Special teams..Yes!…Defense, No.
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Niether has Rey Maula or Jasp ….
Can we give the guys a chance to play? This is only his 2nd year, right? I thought you wanted the young guys to play instead of old retreads?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:23 am
RaiderRobG Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
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Under stood brother good luck with the EMT class man!!
Keep up the hard work!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:24 am
I have watched that game 5 times already and you guys need to listen to Jhill Kelly was double teamed or they ran to the other side.
Turd Sands stunk it up and so did who ever we put in at RDE against the run (Dallas mostly ran to their left during that first quarter)
You cant fault Kelly for this one. Morrison was not to be found so either he was double teamed or out of position I couldn’t tell I was watching the play of the D-Line during the first quarter.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:25 am
I can’t really say that RRS …
You know, it was more like Dallas just said “HEY, why the hell aren’t we running right at Rudy?”
August 17th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Shaugnessy, I like this guy a lot. Dicipline is key for a defense. This has been one of our biggest problems. Give the youngster a shot. I do like ricky brown, have been pullin for him from day one, not sure if he could be our final soulution but we should gie him a true shot. I would have prefered brooks, if we are going to go retread.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Ricky Brown and Jon Alston have never excelled in the NFL on defense…Special teams..Yes!…Defense, No.
So those are question marks…the fact that Kirk Morrison is in a battle with these two shows where he is.
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S&B: Ricky Brown is more than a ST player. Did you watch the first 7 games last year? plays like a man possessed! he’s a tackling machine and a darn good player. Morrison competing with him isn’t because Capt Kirk stinks. It’s because Brown is impressive and they are giving him starter reps to see what Capt Rick would look like. They already know he can play SLB. Whats imteresting to me is that they aren’t giving Morrison any reps at SLB! I’d hate to see Alston start there for 16 games if Brown wins the MLB job…
August 17th, 2009 at 9:28 am
FREE KERMIT WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!1
August 17th, 2009 at 9:30 am
it was more like Dallas just said “HEY, why the hell aren’t we running right at Rudy?”
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Trevor Scott = Rudy? LOL !!!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:30 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
SnB,
One DT that they completely avoided, and another one that they constantly felt the need to double team?
What more can you ask for from your DTs? I think nothing! We need to ask why the DTs are getting doubled and the DEs and LBs are not making plays!
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Its more about how the defense overall is looking and how confident the unit (and coaches) are after 20 days of training camp.
I don’t have the feeling that much has changed. The Cowboy game is one drive…fine…who cares…
I am listening to the reports filed by Jerry and the S.F guy…and the report back is lukewarm at best…no one is raving about the practices/play of any of the front 7…except for Ricky Brown barking orders to Jon Alston…
Cable and Marshall are concerned with issues like “playing too high” gap discipline was discussed again.
I am happy about the focus from Marshall and company…but this defense to me is sounding very similiar to last year.
Ricky Brown and Jon Alston? I believe in giving them a chance…but we don’t know what they can do…and they were never graded as high talents prior to now…so like Chaz Schilens last yr…maybe these two emerge…two guys that could barely beat out Robert Thomas and Sam Williams…I don’t know
JHill…where is the competition at defensive tackle? Did they play so well last yr to not bring in a credible competitor? And no Boschetti (practice squad) and the Harvard kid are hardly competition.
We will see what we have on MNF. They need to slow down the run, watch the misdirection/reverses, and pressure Rivers…otherwise you can break out that tune “same old situation”
August 17th, 2009 at 9:31 am
The bottom line is that our second defensive series was HORRIBLE. It is obvious when Nnamdi is NOT on the field. But still during that series Dallas had a string of like 5 consecutive 1st DOWNS!
3 of them were on running plays. Only 1 of the running plays was a misdirection. The other two were RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE and to the LEFT SIDE
The end result was that horrible 3 man rush on 2nd and goal that allowed Romo 5 seconds to throw resulting in a Dallas TD. Unacceptable!
Routt is not ready yet. The starters need to be Asomugha and Chris Johnson. Our run defense sucked on that 2nd series. Morrisson needs to be moved outside or come off the bench.
Jay Richardson,Ellis, and Shaughnessy need to be our base ends. Scott needs to pass rush.
Bottom line is that Dallas’ 1st team OUTPLAYED OUR FIRST TEAM FOR THE TIME THEY WERE BOTH ON THE FIELD TOGETHER. That’s why the score was 7-3.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:32 am
AZ Raider,
I agree with your assessment. I think he looks at the positions not known for athleticism (MLB, SLB, DT) as positions that the Raiders can get by on with lower picks and good coaching….Notice how the WLB and DEs are speedy guys for the most part….Thomas Howard is speedy and good by the way…
But looking at the team you are right. Look at the O-Line…Mop Handle, Carlisle…castoff vets from Denver…Satele, had for a 6th round pick…
He did try with Gallery a few years ago…and because that kid busted…I don’t think the Raiders will ever draft an O-Lineman that high again…
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Yeah not that high, but we will for sure. Al would pay Linemen 1st round $$$$ again so long as he’s picking in the bottom 15. No more top 10 $$$$ that’s for sure. If we pick in the top 10 again next year, watch Al draft a DB. If we are 15th or lower, we take a linemen.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I just dont see why more of you aren’t eager to see Alston PLUS 20LBS on the field. Did I say PLUS 20 LBS!
And what did you not like about Slade Norris if Alston’s 20lbs don’t translate?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:33 am
RaiderRobG
I hope a Super Model goes into cardiac arrest and you are there to swap spit with her.
Back to the Raiders:
We are thin at DT I still think we should carry one more on the roster or dump Sands and get a legitimate DT.
I agree that Morrison has little or no competition (couple of special team players) we need a MLB and the only place we can get one is guys that will get cut from other teams…..slim pickings!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Our D has a LONG ways to go…hopefully Marshall will have the crew working well by the time the season opens. He doesn’t have much to work with IMO as far as DTs and DEs, but maybe he can work some magic…it is our only hope for a winning season.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Scott is too light in the A$$, sorry he should be at around 270 to play that spot.
DICIPLINE DICIPLINE DICIPLINE DICIPLINE DICIPLINE
Do ALL of the guys have the DICIPLINE to maintain their assignments????????
If you guys can disect and see whats happening, what do the players, and coaches see, keep in mund they have several camera angles……
August 17th, 2009 at 9:37 am
I would have prefered brooks, if we are going to go retread.
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Thec: I’m torn on this one. Derrick Brooks gives you something that can’t be taught. heart, soul, discipline, leadership, motivation.
Greenwood has more in the tank as a player though and I think with the injuries to key ST players like Ekejiuba & Alston they wanted somebody who could play in that role as well. Brooks is 6 years older than Greenwood and is a future Hall of Fame guy. Asking him to come in and be a depth/special teams guy is an insult. He’ll get significant playing time in New Orleans or someplace else that has an injured man in the starting lineup without a capable backup.
Brooks would be for the defense what Neal is for the offense. Neal is more of a leader than Russell or anyone else.
Brooks would have been more of a leader than Asomugha or anyone else.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of performance I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [SOLID FRONT 7 DEFENSE]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. BUT I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT, and the DEFENSE AND ROSTER I am hearing about and seeing in this case is not that.
~I paraphrased Judge Potter Stewart quote in a case about obscene movies…
August 17th, 2009 at 9:38 am
maybe these two emerge…two guys that could barely beat out Robert Thomas and Sam Williams…I don’t know
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Scholar-ships are hard to beat out……..
August 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
“Bottom line is that Dallas’ 1st team OUTPLAYED OUR FIRST TEAM FOR THE TIME THEY WERE BOTH ON THE FIELD TOGETHER. That’s why the score was 7-3.”
I keep telling people this, Dallas moved the ball at will against our first team defense.
We look horrible against the run and its a problem that has not been addressed by our front office. Morlon Greenwood is not the answer!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I just can’t explain it anymore SnB. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I have no problem going into the season with Warren, Kelly, Joseph, Sands, and Boschetti as my DTs.
I have no problem going into the season with Ricky Brown as my MLB.
I can’t say on Alston yet, b/c I haven’t seen him on the field, but if Norris had to step in right now, I haven’t seen anything that makes he worry.
I was really high on Scott this offseason, but I have to say he REALLY concerns me and may need to be that 3rd down guy. Shaugnessy looked good to me at that spot, so I want to see him in there now. We may see J Richards end up over there.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
It was only the 1st game of the season, and preseason games are glorified practices at almost real game speed.
There are still a lot of variables and unknowns.
Alston at linebacker was out. Mike Mitchell at safety was out. Gallery at RG was out. Khalif Barnes was out. Javon Walker was out, even though our receivers looked fine. Very little Mcfadden and Bush.
What we saw last week was NOT a complete Raider team.
However….Dallas 1st stringers did outplay our first stringers in their second offensive series. It should not be Nnamdi’s responsibility to stop the run. That’s what the DT’s DE’s and linebackers get paid to do.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:40 am
RaiderRockstar, your post is compelling…..
I hope the Greenwood works out…..
August 17th, 2009 at 9:42 am
So Jhill, since you are so comfortable with our defense, where do you think we will end up ranked against the run? Top 10? Top 15? Top 20?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Football is like chess how much did we not show in the game? Bottom line is we beat the hell of them, I know its presea but I bet money they werent expecting that kinda Kick in A$$…
August 17th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Ricky Brown and Jon Alston? I believe in giving them a chance…but we don’t know what they can do…and they were never graded as high talents prior to now…so like Chaz Schilens last yr…maybe these two emerge…two guys that could barely beat out Robert Thomas and Sam Williams…I don’t know
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S&B: the same argument could be made about Chaz Schilens being behind Javon Walker, Ronald Curry & Ashley Lelie as a rookie last year or Higgins being behind Mike Williams & Tim Dwight during his rookie year. They didn’t even “beat out” anybody. Curry was benched. Lelie got dinged up. Carter & Walker got injured for the year. M Willy & Timmy D were scrubs in 2007.
and I don’t understand your take on Morrison. I seem to remeber those quotes you kept putting up from Ray Lewis prior to the draft. Will Kirk ever be a Pro Bowler without a dominant line in front of him?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:46 am
We have the type of defense that can hold a team under 20 pts. I think what you guys are talking about is a Baltimore, Chicago, or Pittsburgh type of defense. That we don’t have, but with the “envisioned” offense, we don’t need that type of D to win.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Too bad the Cowgirls weren’t doing that HBO series Hard Knocks this year…we could watch them getting lectured for the Raiders’ game!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Dakota we will improve to about 23-25th against the run but not much more than that.
31st is where we are now you cant go much lower just by the improvement in our offense (ability to have longer sustained drives)and coaching change we should be able to move from 31st to 25th.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Kush Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
It was only the 1st game of the season, and preseason games are glorified practices at almost real game speed.
There are still a lot of variables and unknowns.
Alston at linebacker was out. Mike Mitchell at safety was out. Gallery at RG was out. Khalif Barnes was out. Javon Walker was out, even though our receivers looked fine. Very little Mcfadden and Bush.
What we saw last week was NOT a complete Raider team.
However….Dallas 1st stringers did outplay our first stringers in their second offensive series. It should not be Nnamdi’s responsibility to stop the run. That’s what the DT’s DE’s and linebackers get paid to do.
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We’ve always relied on our DB’s to help hold the edge on early downs. Nnamdi is one of the bests in the bizz for that, and C. Johnson showed promise last year as well.
You notice both CB’s on 1st & 2nd down play flat zones and release the recievers to the safties after 10 yards then come bacl to defend the flat. Typical Raider run D…
August 17th, 2009 at 9:48 am
“Bottom line is that Dallas’ 1st team OUTPLAYED OUR FIRST TEAM FOR THE TIME THEY WERE BOTH ON THE FIELD TOGETHER. That’s why the score was 7-3.”
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Actually, we won 3-0.
Nnamdi was out for the second series. Stanford Routt getting abused that whole series throws the whole first team argument out the window.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:49 am
#339 now that’s funny!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:49 am
15-20 Dakota ….
August 17th, 2009 at 9:50 am
This team will only go as far as the offense takes us.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:50 am
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
Nice Manning Jr. and Greenwood articles here if anyones bored, check it out!
Manning has had a couple of run ins with the law and some injuires. Wonder if he’s got anything left?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Jhill so you disagree that our run defense sucked and allowed Dallas a first quarter TD.
3-0 that’s strange
I remember 7-3
Nnamdi in or out it shouldn’t matter. You have to be able to stop the run, we don’t pay Nnamdi to stop the run.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Actually, we won 3-0.
Nnamdi was out for the second series. Stanford Routt getting abused that whole series throws the whole first team argument out the window.
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snb,
Agree 100%. If Nnamdi, or Chris for that matter were out there, that drive never happens IMO.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Lol 3-0!!!!!! I guess we’ll see since we play them during the reg season right?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Dakota we will improve to about 23-25th against the run but not much more than that.
31st is where we are now you cant go much lower just by the improvement in our offense (ability to have longer sustained drives)and coaching change we should be able to move from 31st to 25th.
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The NATION offense will be able to put points on the board. Not just points F FG’s we need TD’s.
If you factor this in teams will need to score more points and quickly they will have to pass.
So how would you rate the pass rush????????
August 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
and I don’t understand your take on Morrison. I seem to remeber those quotes you kept putting up from Ray Lewis prior to the draft. Will Kirk ever be a Pro Bowler without a dominant line in front of him?
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EXACTLY!
Our DTs are getting doubled, Kirk should be all over the place.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Jhill so you disagree that our run defense sucked and allowed Dallas a first quarter TD.
3-0 that’s strange
I remember 7-3
Nnamdi in or out it shouldn’t matter. You have to be able to stop the run, we don’t pay Nnamdi to stop the run.
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Yeah, we do…. No joke.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Offense has to put up points and control the clock. Simple as that.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:53 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:49 am
15-20 Dakota ….
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Wow, I hope you are right! Won’t happen, but I hope it does!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 9:53 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:45 am
and I don’t understand your take on Morrison. I seem to remeber those quotes you kept putting up from Ray Lewis prior to the draft. Will Kirk ever be a Pro Bowler without a dominant line in front of him?
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I was ok with Morrison. I was wrong here. Like you said about Schilens…I have to say I was wrong with Morrison.
Our MLB is fighting for his job against another guy who up until now was a special teams ace.
Look, I am all for giving these guys a chance and I hope it works out. Perhaps Brown and Alston had the lights come on like it did for Schilens…
I just am not as confident as you guys going into the season with defensive roster as it is….There I admitted it. Just not comfortable.
Last yr, I wasn’t all that comfortable with the wide receivers going into that year. But Schilens and JLH emerged later in the year.
Hopefully Brown and Alston are able to do the same.
I think Morrison’s days are numbered. He clearly isn’t the bonnafide starter anymore.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:53 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:46 am
We have the type of defense that can hold a team under 20 pts. I think what you guys are talking about is a Baltimore, Chicago, or Pittsburgh type of defense. That we don’t have, but with the “envisioned” offense, we don’t need that type of D to win.
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I am of the opinion we can put up 24 a game.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Jhill so you disagree that our run defense sucked and allowed Dallas a first quarter TD.
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No I don’t.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Nnamdi21
Thanks for the article BRo…..
Question 1. Was Greenwood a cap casualty?
A larger roster bonus of $5 million dollars looming, the Texans cut ties with the speedy, experienced LB.
Question 2. What was his injury?
August 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
To be fair….I am looking forward to watching the offense emerge this year. The offense is what gives me optimism…
If the defense can keep the opponent under 130yds rushing a game….I will be happy…and there was no sarcasm intended here.
I just don’t think the talent is there.
Offense…I can get excited about Chaz Schilens. He’s dominating camp right now. Who is doing the equivalent on the defense? DHB is making leaps and bounds in his development. Who is making a similiar leap on defense (maybe Tyvon Branch) but he’s in the secondary. DMAC/Bush are showing explosiveness. Who the DMAC on the front 7? Even Russell is getting better.
I just haven’t heard or seen anything from the defense so far (and its early) to get excited about.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dang, all this Morrison hate…. Bummer guys, he’s a homegrown…
I think Cable is doing to Morrison what he did to Henderson and that worked out alright, did it not? Seem to me we all may be jumping the gun because Cable is holding Morrison some-what responsible for the slacking run D. Well, at MLB you have too take alot of the resposibility just as a QB takes resposibility for a poor offensive performance.
Watch… This is just a ploy to get morrison to step his game up. IMO it will work. Morrison will start if he can show Cable he understands what he needs to do to be the DQB out there.
Way too early to start bashing 52.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am
AZ I think you are missing the point if Nnamdi comes out for a play or a series we still have to play defense.
You cant expect us to stop playing solid defense because a player is out for a series.
I agree Romo might not have thrown that TD pass if Nnamdi was in there but they would have ran it in eventually if they wanted to, they ran on us at will and I don’t see how anyone can deny that!
Unless I was on LSD during the game an hallucinated the second drive.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Question: The dallas game did it meet or exceed your expectations in any area?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Our MLB is fighting for his job against another guy who up until now was a special teams ace.
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S&B: How many times do I have to tell you?
Ricky Brown was a STARTER last year at SLB. He had a groin injury and landed on IR after 7 or 8 games. that required surgery in the offseason. Thats why I asked if you have watched the first 6 or 8 games last season! If you did, you would have known that. Please quit trying to turn Ricky Brown into a scrub because he was undrafted. I hate that. Many undrafted players come in and take the league by storm. Many 1st rounders turn out to be busts. thats why they say the draft is a cr@pshoot!
Alston entered the starting lineup last year after Brown went down. Cable obviously thinks he played well enough to compete for that job this year. competition brings out the best & worst in players. He’s obviously bulked up without losing any speed and is hungry for a chance. nothing wrong with that. at worst, if he doesn’t start, we still have a beast on ST who can fill in at SLB if need be
August 17th, 2009 at 10:04 am
JHill,
I appreciate your analysis. Its well thought out as always. It really doesn’t matter what anyone says to me when it comes to the defense.
The only thing that will get me fired up is the results on MNF against San Diego. Way too many question marks for me.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:04 am
# Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Jhill so you disagree that our run defense sucked and allowed Dallas a first quarter TD.
3-0 that’s strange
I remember 7-3
Nnamdi in or out it shouldn’t matter. You have to be able to stop the run, we don’t pay Nnamdi to stop the run.
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I agree with this 100 % JHill and AZ Raider. Nnamdi is excellent at run SUPPORT. But that should not be his Primary RESPONSIBILITY. What happens if Asomugha gets hurt? Then we’re automatically supposed to suck at stopping the run?
The fact that we rely so HEAVILY on our CORNERS to stop the run is one of the reasons why we have consistently ranked near the bottom in run defense the past few seasons.
I drink the Kool Aid too guys, but I think some of us are slurping it right from the package in powder form without even adding water to it first.lol
August 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Not bashing 52, AZ …
We all want nothing more than for the MLB position to be successful. He was running with the 2nd team yesterday in practice. You have to wonder why? The DTs were constantly doubled, so he should have been a lot more active, wouldn’t you say?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I drink the Kool Aid too guys, but I think some of us are slurping it right from the package in powder form without even adding water to it first.lol
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Or snotin it…….
August 17th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Snortin it….
August 17th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am
AZ I think you are missing the point if Nnamdi comes out for a play or a series we still have to play defense.
You cant expect us to stop playing solid defense because a player is out for a series.
I agree Romo might not have thrown that TD pass if Nnamdi was in there but they would have ran it in eventually if they wanted to, they ran on us at will and I don’t see how anyone can deny that!
Unless I was on LSD during the game an hallucinated the second drive.
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My point was, they would be forced to run between the Tackles. Didn’t see alot of run plays between the tackles that game. If they did, they weren’t big gains, so we really don’t have anything besides not holding the edge to judge our run D on by watching that 1 preseason game. And, that Felix Jones outside run to the Left? …well, that was Routts’ resposibilty to release and press to hold the edge.
Not saying Scott and Howard weren’t partially resposible, but we rely (as I stated earlier) on our DB’s to help there…
August 17th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Rockstar,
I hear you loud and clear about the linebackers. Ricky Brown was ok at SLB. Just like Morrison was ok at MLB…Just like Warren was ok at NT..and Kelly was ok at DT….and the DEs were ok….
I would like one guy to emerge as something more than ok. Maybe Thomas Howard…maybe a healed Tommy Kelly.
I just look at the buzz on the offense. Guys demonstrably getting better…defense they are still talking about gap discipline and playing too high….
August 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Question: we put up an avg of 24 a game, last year how many games do we win????????
August 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I think you are missing the point if Nnamdi comes out for a play or a series we still have to play defense.
You cant expect us to stop playing solid defense because a player is out for a series.
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I agree silver. Nnamdi was out when we played Tampa Bay and Antonio Bryant was kept in check all game long. I’d hate to see our D throw in the towel when a CB gets injured, or any other player for that matter
Routt had a job to do and he failed. simple as that. no sugar coating please!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I don’t think the defense in and of itself is going to fire anyone up on MNF. Without question it is going to be the offense that fires you up. The fact that we can score is going to take the spotlight off the defense. No longer will so much be asked of the defense that it can’t help but fail.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Thec07 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Nnamdi21
Thanks for the article BRo…..
Question 1. Was Greenwood a cap casualty?
A larger roster bonus of $5 million dollars looming, the Texans cut ties with the speedy, experienced LB.
Question 2. What was his injury?
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I think the emergence of 4th round pick Xavier Adibi Pro Bowl alternate DeMecco Ryans and Zac Diles made the aging vet less appealing.
He missed time with a fibula injury and I think an ankle?
I hope he’s not washed. We could use the help.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:12 am
if Nnamdi comes out for a play or a series we still have to play defense.
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You are absolutely right about that. If Nnamdi is out of the game, or if we have to rely on Routt, Morrison, and Scott, our run defense will suffer.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Good Morning Nation.
We need to clean up our roster, so we should cut/ trade:
1- Walker.
2- Sands
3- Fargas
4- Huff, unless he plays better, and we restructure his contract.
5- ask TK and Warren to restructure again, and if they don’t then cut 1.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I just look at the buzz on the offense. Guys demonstrably getting better…
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we’re seeing that on defense with at least 2 players, but the hate everyone dished out early on has blinded the masses.
Michael Huff & Ricky Brown are ready!
I think you’re looking for soembody on the DL to step it up though too, and I can’t name anybody who has improved or capable over the past 6 years. Jhill is your point man on that convo
August 17th, 2009 at 10:13 am
On Marshall:
“Here is a year-by-year breakdown in three categories, total yards (yards and NFL rank), sacks (number and rank) and points allowed. Keep in mind that there were 28 NFL teams from 1983-85, 30 in 1997-98, and 31 from 1999-2001:
Year Team Yds/Rk Sacks/Rk Pts
1983 Atlanta 364.1/25 31/26 24.3
1984 Atlanta 329.9/15 38/22 23.9
1985 Atlanta 365.6/25 42/17 28.2
1997 San Fran 250.8/1 54/3 16.6
1998 San Fran 333.9/23 51/3 20.5
1999 Carolina 343.9/26 35/23 23.8
2000 Carolina 353.5/27 27/27 19.4
2001 Carolina 371.4/31 26/28 25.6
2006 Seattle 330.3/19 41/6 21.3
2007 Seattle 321.8/15 50/1 18.2
2008 Seattle 378/30 35/10 24.5
A few things jump out. First, if you remove that ‘97 season, Marshall’s total defense numbers are less than mediocre. His other 10 teams never ranked higher than 15th in the NFL. His averages over the entire span, including 1997, are 340.3 yards per game and a ranking of between 21 and 22.”
http://raiders.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2362926
Doesn’t exactly give me a lot of hope…he did kick some ass in 1997 though!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:15 am
I agree with this 100 % JHill and AZ Raider. Nnamdi is excellent at run SUPPORT. But that should not be his Primary RESPONSIBILITY. What happens if Asomugha gets hurt? Then we’re automatically supposed to suck at stopping the run?
The fact that we rely so HEAVILY on our CORNERS to stop the run is one of the reasons why we have consistently ranked near the bottom in run defense the past few seasons.
I drink the Kool Aid too guys, but I think some of us are slurping it right from the package in powder form without even adding water to it first.lol
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I agree Kush, I was just saying…. Nnamdi or Chris out there on that drive agaist Dallas, I don’t think it ends in a TD.
I agree we need to change some things to better our run D. I’d be lying though if I told you I knew what it was.
IMO it is a combination of poor technique at the DT spot and lack of disapline in ALL LB spots. Just what I’ve seen in the past. Improved against Dallas but not by a bunch.
I’m not concerned however, because I beleive Cable to be doing some great things for this team and I am more confident in our current HC to get this thing fixed soon.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:16 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I don’t think the defense in and of itself is going to fire anyone up on MNF. Without question it is going to be the offense that fires you up. The fact that we can score is going to take the spotlight off the defense. No longer will so much be asked of the defense that it can’t help but fail
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But lets remember the offense will be going up against some great defenses. So there will be games this year where the defense is going to be expected to win the game. Especially in late fall and into the winter.
That’s why northern “non-domed” teams tend to have better defenses than southern/domed/western teams. That’s what I think about. I fully think the offense is capable of putting up points provided Cable plays the right players and makes good calls.
The defense has to play well the entire game. They have to limit those 9 play 70+yd drives that we saw on the 2nd series against Dallas. That’s what concerned me on Friday. That one drive where the defense looked helpless and Romo sat back in comfort. Yeah, Nnamdi wasn’t out there….but it wasn’t like anyone was about to put the guy into the turf either.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:17 am
My take on the front 7:
Tackles need to play lower like coaches said, but I also don’t think we got a potential pro-bowler anywhere in there. Watching Sands I tried to see if he did anything other than take up space, didn’t see anything, so in case I mssed something I went to the box score-didn’t even see his name The dude is an actuall waste of space(so far). Ellis is only cpl weeks in, I think he’ll do well over there. I think once JRich gets that knee healthy we wil have our starter, but he’ll prolly have to come out on passing downs unless he makes a huge leap in that area.
Linebackers I think are the biggest question mark so far, I think we need to start getting Nixon and Norris some more time out there and see what we got there I mean come on, we can only go down 1 more spot in run defense. We’ve seen all the other linebackers play, lets start getting the young guys in there. Not saying give them the bulk but throw them in the fire a bit, can’t hurt at this point.
Greenwood is 6′ 253, can we move him to the middle? At least as comp.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Watch – We all know that we can run the ball which is why we are going to throw the ball a ton this preseason and then revert to a run first approach on opening day. That way we keep the backs fresh for the first game and it gives the passing game time to develop. i think we see very little of the 3 Amigos until Monday night.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Raider O: better take Javon Walker & Michael Huff off your hater list or you’ll be eating some crow after the season. these guys will have an impact
Walker is doing & saying all the right things this offseason – unlike last year. coaching staff & media both seem pretty impressed. plus he already took a huge paycut several months ago
Huff is making under 1 million this year (for the 10th time) Hiram Eugene is making more than that and I didn’t see Eugene make any plays against Dallas like Huff did … nor did Nnamdi & Kirk predict anything about Hiram, like they did for Huff
August 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Ricky Brown was ok at SLB. Just like Morrison was ok at MLB…Just like Warren was ok at NT..and Kelly was ok at DT….and the DEs were ok….
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Seeing what you want to see. Morrison was not ok, and neither was the DE Scott. They were AWFUL.
Kelly and Warren were better than ok, so was Joseph. By definition of what YOU said a DT should do, just can’t understand how you can just say they were ok. They commanded and held double teams. They didn’t even bother trying to run at Kelly, but all they get is a C grade from you? Wow!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Morning Nation….
So we are all in agreement, the run D needs to get better? there are numerous ways to get it better but someway or another it has to.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Horton, the DB who got the 3 flags, will make the team. 2 of those calls shouldn’t have been made, and he played pretty well outside of that. 3 years in the league, he’ll stick.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Good Morning Raider Men!
Raider game information not talked about yet.
1) Beer at the Coliseum needs to be colder.
2) Garlic fries need to have more garlic.
3) Raiderettes need more blondes.
4) Who ever they have who selects the music needs me or SNB666 to instruct.
5) Number 78 Johnson RG is a player.
6) Erik Pears can play the RT if and when he has the trust of the staff. He is very athletic in the ZBS, I would like to see him go against the number one’s in the next game.
7) John Bowie is a bust. No ball instincts and slow to react.
9)Justin Miller does not look comfortable in any man defense, better suited to play off. This is a concern if we have any injurys in the DB area, we really have no legit reserve.
10)Slade Norris can play football, where?
11) Brandon Myers can be a very good receiving tight end, looks like he understands his routes and can sure block well.
12) I yelled at Cable for Dakota, re Fargas.
13)Greyson Gunheim should play the RDE not the LDE. To much speed.
14) Nick Miller should be our slot receiver, he understands windows in the defense and has really good understanding of the routes in the slot.
JLH owns the slot, I’m not so sure though.
15)Samson Satele is not going to overpower someone like Ngata the Raven DT, but he can sure move, expect to see a lot of screens, he can get to the second level real quick.
The game was fun, I bear to think I have to go to Candlestick, maybe their beer will be colder.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Jason Horton, Darrick Brown, John Bowie, Jerome Boyd. wow!
I’m glad we signed Ricky Manning Jr.
maybe he can unseat one of these clowns?
at least we didn’t bring Michael Waddell, Duane Starks or Tyrone Poole back to “compete” …
August 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am
jhill Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Ricky Brown was ok at SLB. Just like Morrison was ok at MLB…Just like Warren was ok at NT..and Kelly was ok at DT….and the DEs were ok….
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Seeing what you want to see. Morrison was not ok, and neither was the DE Scott. They were AWFUL.
Kelly and Warren were better than ok, so was Joseph. By definition of what YOU said a DT should do, just can’t understand how you can just say they were ok. They commanded and held double teams. They didn’t even bother trying to run at Kelly, but all they get is a C grade from you? Wow!
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I am not talking about the game on Friday. I am talking about last year. The players in the front 7 are guys that flash great play from time to time but are not consistent.
Look at Sands. Had a monster game against S.D and disappeared. Warren can’t stay healthy and disappears from time to time. Play the Jets and hit Favre a few times…next game the DEs disappear.
Right now the front 7 has a bunch of guys out there. There is no player in the front 7 right now that we can pencil in as a top 50% player at their respective position….(maybe Ellis has some in tank…maybe Howard if used properly)
I can’t sit here and get excited with that.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I think you’re looking for soembody on the DL to step it up though too, and I can’t name anybody who has improved or capable over the past 6 years. Jhill is your point man on that convo
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I’m not the guy either. We just disagree on which parts of the Dline have been the problem. I think it’s DE, and others think it is DT. It’s not all 4 positions. I think we are finally ok at LDE with Burgess moving on. We finally have the correct size at that position with Ellis and Richards. RDE is an issue if Scott starts. He’s just too small.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I just look at the buzz on the offense. Guys demonstrably getting better…
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we’re seeing that on defense with at least 2 players, but the hate everyone dished out early on has blinded the masses.
Michael Huff & Ricky Brown are ready!
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Agreed!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:31 am
To me when someone double teams you that’s a sign of respect or fear of your abilities. It’s like that in any sport.
To me Warren is that dud e on the D-Line that appears to receive the most double teams. However just like in basketball, if one player gets double teamed, that means someone else is open, and that open person needs to MOVE WITHOUT THE BALL.
My point is that if Warren is double teamed, the rest of the D-Line, linebackers especially, need to find that open seam and attack! Morrisson did not do that and has not for years now.
Scott is not a base end. He’s a pass rusher. My problem is not necessarily with the WHOLE D-LINE. It’s with the RE and ML spots. If you notice that’s where the long runs by the Cowboys went in that game. Nothing went to the left.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Jhill,
If we score 24 ppg, based on last season’s stats, that would jump us from 29th to 11th in ppg.
So with the 11th best offense and a run D ranked top 15-20 (which probably means a defense ranked in the top 15 because our pass D is better than our run D) we should really kick some ass this year! Are you thinking 10-6 or 11-5?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:32 am
On one hand I’d like to see Morrison earn a starting spot. He’s been a lifelong Raider fan and seems like a cool guy.
But, on the other, he needs to understand that he’s been the MLB on this team for several years now, and basically every one of those years the Run D has been atrocious. If you’re the MLB and the team’s Run D sux year after year, you’re going to be scrutinized.
Still think the Raiders should’ve drafted Maualuga to man the middle and move Kirk outside. Not sold on Ricky Brown at this point. I do wonder if Brown is a better MLB than SLB and Morrison a better SLB than MLB though.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:34 am
But lets remember the offense will be going up against some great defenses.
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I don’t think those defenses are going to look so great when they go up against our offense. I really don’t see a defense out there that can match up with our speed. Only thing that holds us back?
Holding, #66, 10 yd penalty, repeat 2nd down.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Lol, thanks Dell…did he respond?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I do wonder if Brown is a better MLB than SLB and Morrison a better SLB than MLB though.
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thats what I’m thinking, but Morrison hasn’t played SLB before and he’s scared to make a switch now because his contract is up next year and as of today he’s regarded as one of the best MLB’s in the league (outside of Raiderland)
August 17th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Love your priorities Dell!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:38 am
RR,
Huff Made 1 play so far, and he schd to make 5 mil next season. If he plays better and restructure his contract, then we can keep him.
Walker is not needed after this season, and he is not even needed this season.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:39 am
top play:
Starting middle linebacker of the day Ricky Brown barking at strongside linebacker Jon Alston where to be before the snap. That’s what the defensive quarterback is supposed to do out there.
-David White (SF Gate)
August 17th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Chris in NY Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:32 am
On one hand I’d like to see Morrison earn a starting spot. He’s been a lifelong Raider fan and seems like a cool guy.
But, on the other, he needs to understand that he’s been the MLB on this team for several years now, and basically every one of those years the Run D has been atrocious. If you’re the MLB and the team’s Run D sux year after year, you’re going to be scrutinized.
Still think the Raiders should’ve drafted Maualuga to man the middle and move Kirk outside. Not sold on Ricky Brown at this point. I do wonder if Brown is a better MLB than SLB and Morrison a better SLB than MLB though.
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Ha, not getting Rey was a bummer, especially with how far he dropped. thought we could have somehow gotten him and DHB in that draft… Oh well.
Morrison is still IMO in the top 2 LB’s we have on the team. If outside is where he plays best, so be it. If Ricky gets the MLB spot, no way we should just move Kirk to 2nd team. He should play outside.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:39 am
top play:
Starting middle linebacker of the day Ricky Brown barking at strongside linebacker Jon Alston where to be before the snap. That’s what the defensive quarterback is supposed to do out there.
-David White (SF Gate)
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See, I like that… Don’t care who, just as long as it’s getting done.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I’m thinking the 8-8 we should’ve been last year, Dakota. We all know how much luck goes into a season as well, so with a few breaks, maybe, MAYBE 10-6. We are still really young. But I expect us to have a chance to win A LOT of games, which is more than I can say for the past few seasons.
As I keep telling my boys, at least the games will be watchable this year.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Huff Made 1 play so far, and he schd to make 5 mil next season.
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Huff & Walker are needed.
Schilens & Heyward-Bey haven’t proven to be durable yet and Hiram Eugene is garbage.
let’s worry about next year’s salary cap next year, shall we? as of today it’s uncapped anways …
August 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Dell,
Boyd ran a sub 4.4 at college, but because he plays with with Branch, Stanford, and other he looks slow. lol
August 17th, 2009 at 10:44 am
(This just shows why Greenwood is extremely valuable and versatile to this linebacking core. The guy can play anywhere and be successful and should be able to solidify any weak spot we have which would obviously be the middle and strong positions from the looks of it.)
Greenwood played in 14 games as a rookie for the Dolphins and started 12 at strongside linebacker, while totaling 70 tackles and one sack.
In 2004, he started seven games at strongside linebacker and eight at weakside linebacker for the Dolphins and had a career-best 133 tackles.
In 05′ Greenwood played and started at middle linebacker in all 16 games, registering a team-leading and career-high 144 tackles, a career best two sacks, five passes defended, one forced fumble and the first two fumble recoveries of his career.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:44 am
JHill,
My point is that there will be games where the offense doesn’t put many points on the board. Hopefully not too many.
Defenses have to be called upon to win the game from time to time. Not too often but from time to time.
I am not sure a defense that needs to get a lead to be effective can do that.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Dakota
Let me set up the situation.
Pre game exercises on the field, the Raiders always warmup in the south area (black Hole). Cable was visiting the players shaking their hand, giving words of encouragement. I along with Raider Dell #2 were at the railing yelling this ” WE WANT DMAC NOT FARGAS”
A few more fans joined in, it was loud enough for Cable to quickly glance at us, and he continued to move on, we got louder.
I tried my best. There are a lot of doubters about Fargas, and they all say the same words this blog has been saying for many months.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:45 am
FRESH!
I think this is a new article on Kirk Morrison
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
August 17th, 2009 at 10:47 am
RR,
Salary cap!!!! I didn’t say that, and that’s not my point.
My point is: I don’t think Huff and Walker should make more than the avg player in the NFL.
5 mil!!! For what??? 1 int in reg season, and 1 in preseason!!!
LMAO
August 17th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Final stats DMAC 4 carries 63 yards. Let’s start him and stop messing around.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:48 am
bydavidwhite: Trevor Scott works Mario Henderson for JaMarcus sack. Not often we’ve seen that out here.
bydavidwhite: Followed by Trevor not biting on play-action bootleg, practicallu runs thru JaMarcus for 2nd sack.
encouraging or just more flashes that don’t pan out?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:48 am
WOW My WHOLE company just got laid off our last day is the 4th of sept!!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am
The Chiefs signed Ashley Lelie.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am
* Cable walks by and slaps Javon in the backside. Walker said he’ll go off the PUP list next Monday and play vs Saints
* Rookie WR Louis Murphy still smarting from his welcome-to-the-NFL blow vs Cowboys. Watching from sidelines.
-David White (twitter)
August 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am
413. Fukin hell! OMG! So sorry…
August 17th, 2009 at 10:50 am
The front 7 is a work in progress I guess.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/15/SPVA198U9L.DTL
August 17th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Oak, sorry to hear that, If I may ask, what kind of work do you do?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Fukin awesome Raider Dell. YOU ARE THE MAN! I think you might be directly responsible for this recent statement from Cable:
“When Cable was asked how close McFadden was to starting and carrying the ball more, Cable said, “I’d say pretty close.’’
When it was suggested fans might want to see McFadden get 20 touches a game, Cable said, “I was thinking more touches than that, but if they want 20, we’ll work on it.”
August 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
LOL workforce planned a two hour meeting to fire every body no wonder they cant pay the bils..LOL to many chiefs not enough indians…..LOL
August 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Huff and Walker are needed!!!!
Is that a bad Joke?!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Oaklifer
I’m real sorry to hear that, what terrible news to hear. Do you receive any comp time or salary extension for years worked?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:52 am
False start …. #74 … offenese …. 5 yd penalty …. repeat 1st dn
August 17th, 2009 at 10:52 am
aiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I do wonder if Brown is a better MLB than SLB and Morrison a better SLB than MLB though.
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thats what I’m thinking, but Morrison hasn’t played SLB before and he’s scared to make a switch now because his contract is up next year and as of today he’s regarded as one of the best MLB’s in the league (outside of Raiderland)
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They’ve tinkered with the idea of moving Morrison in pre season the last 3 years…
August 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
OAKlifer Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:48 am
WOW My WHOLE company just got laid off our last day is the 4th of sept!!!!!
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Whoa……sorry to hear that man.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
If I may ask, what kind of work do you do?
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It’s all good I work in VERY high end sales for a well renoewd aucton company……well did anyways….Sales I guess you could call it……Unemployment Colt 45 and sunday ticket hey just dnt be callin me nar@o..LOL
August 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Oaklifer,
Sorry man…that sucks. You’ll find something pretty quick though.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Lifer,
Bummer man…. Good time to relocate! AZ is da shyt!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Salary cap!!!! I didn’t say that, and that’s not my point.
My point is: I don’t think Huff and Walker should make more than the avg player in the NFL.
5 mil!!! For what??? 1 int in reg season, and 1 in preseason!!!
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O: you contadicted yourself pretty bad right here in the same post! you essentially say money doesn’t matter, then follow it up by making a big deal about the amount of money Huff is scheduled to earn NEXT year (not this year) and Walker already took a paycut. haha
why don’t we leave the salary cap worries up to the owner/gm? what do you say? Al Davis always does a nice job of getting under the cap with all the players he wants in the fold
August 17th, 2009 at 10:55 am
LOL yes an extension on pay throu next month…lol and a little severance but other than that its a joke!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Dell,
next time your there yelling let Cable know I can long snap play weak side fill up the water hell I even played alittle DE in college!!!!! An I just became a FA!!!
LOL
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am
OAK,
You may hate or not understand something when it 1st happens, but it could be in your best interest.
Look at your options, and advantage of them.
Good luck my friend,but I don’t think you need it.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Anybody around here happen to do communications wiring? And does anybody do PC install\repair\networking?
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Damn Oak!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Look at your options, and advantage of them.
Good luck my friend,but I don’t think you need it.
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Great insight bro and I thank you……..
August 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Huff and Walker are needed!!!!
Is that a bad Joke?!
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I guess it is for the uneducated or uninformed.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
The important thing about the Huff interception is that hes in his 2nd season playing the position for the Raiders so he shouldn’t be as confused and he has a real Defensive Coordinator to teach him the nuances of the position and that 1 interception “could be” a sign that Huff can finally showcase his abilities. The one thing I noticed is that we had 2 deep safeties and that makes a safeties life alot easier when he has to worry more about 1 half of the field instead of 2. John Marshall could save Huff’s career.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:58 am
From Nnamdi21’s site:
The Ugly
It is pre season, but Oaklands run defense looks same as it ever was…..but still, the over pursuit, poor audibles and lack of plays on the other side of the ball makes it seem like the prolonged walk throughs imposed by Cable and defensive coordinator John Marshall have been entirely ineffective.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
August 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am
# Dakota Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Fukin awesome Raider Dell. YOU ARE THE MAN! I think you might be directly responsible for this recent statement from Cable:
“When Cable was asked how close McFadden was to starting and carrying the ball more, Cable said, “I’d say pretty close.’’
When it was suggested fans might want to see McFadden get 20 touches a game, Cable said, “I was thinking more touches than that, but if they want 20, we’ll work on it.”
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I saw that. Very good news. Now if he commits to Michael Bush too we’re all set.
But was the Cable guy getting chippy with the fans at the end of that quote?
August 17th, 2009 at 11:02 am
OAKlifer sorry to hear that man. My thoughts and well wishes go out to you and your family. You will bounce back though.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Thanks brethran,
fro all the support ima hustler ima get mine rain snow or shine!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 11:02 am
RR,
Ok, let me put it this way.
Forget the Cap!! Forget the Salary!!!
What have they done for us since we got them?
They are taking 2 roster spots than can be given to more productive players.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:06 am
RR,
Uneducated or uninformed! lol
Maybe after I get my degree, then I can nderstand why Huff is needed after 1 INT in 3 years! Is that after Finance 423, or before?
lol
August 17th, 2009 at 11:07 am
OAKlifer
I joined the second league. I wanted to compete against Marley and help out. There are seven teams, we need a least 3 more to sign up to create a well rounded FFL.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Despite all of the problems the Raiders have, we WILL win the AFC West if Cable stays true to his word and truly kills the scholarship program and just PLAYS THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.
We have enough talent to win the division. Brown should start at MLB. Mcfadden must start at RB. Scott should not start at RDE.
It looks like finding the best talent for each position is what Cable is doing during camp, but when the season starts we don’t need to see any of that scholarship crap.
If Cable and Co. play the best players we will win the division.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Javon Walker might be the guy this year. What happens if he outperforms DHB in camp? What happens to JLH and Murphy as far as playing time. Do the Raiders use some 4 receiver sets? At least is a good problem to have….same as at running back….talented players with clear number 1s and solid number 2 and 3s….
Michael Huff finally emerging and playing to his draft status would be boon to this team.
Also notice how Walker and Huff have a lot of real legitimate competition whether its draft picks or other players.
Now look at the competition in the front 7 on defense and tell me that’s at the same level…or even close
August 17th, 2009 at 11:09 am
when is the draft for the second league, is it live? May dump 1 of my leagues so I might be able to join.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am
1. They are taking 2 roster spots than can be given to more productive players.
2. Maybe after I get my degree, then I can nderstand why Huff is needed after 1 INT in 3 years!
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1. like who?
2. how many INT’s did Nnamdi have in his first 3 years? is he needed? Also, give me one Raider safety under Rob Ryan who did have success …
August 17th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Dell,
nice bro!!!
its set for the 30th I believe but we can vote and change tiems if needed the more the merrier!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Later Raider Men! Lunch time and I’m going out, no desk jockey lunch for me today.
Subway or Quiznos, your opinions welcomed.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
30th might just work, my main league drafts live the 29th, and when i say live i mean 12 people sittin around my buddies house draftin drinkin and bbqin. As long as draft doesnt start before noon on the 30th I think i can roll outta bed by then
August 17th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Huff was very productive his first 2 years at SS despite playing out of position. He was 3rd on the team in tackles behind only Howard and Morrison. The only thing he didn’t do as a SS was deliver the “knock out” hits.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:14 am
And we all know how good he was in coverage against the TEs like Gates, Gonzales, and Winslow.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Huff made a great play on that INT. Hopefully there will be more of that kind of thing and he’ll start looking like the player he was in college. But I’ll need to see more of that kind of thing first. He’s been pretty soft since joining the NFL.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Delivering big hits is not Huff’s game. He’s supposed to be the ball hawk. Something that is sorely needed right now. Hopefully Huff can take the job away from Eugene. I would rather see Huff in there. Just depends on the scholarship program.
Will be interesting to see if Branch can be that guy at S.S….he’s having a very good camp so far. Will increase the competition at the safety positions…especially with Michael Mitchell being expected to play at some point.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:18 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Javon Walker might be the guy this year. What happens if he outperforms DHB in camp? What happens to JLH and Murphy as far as playing time. Do the Raiders use some 4 receiver sets? At least is a good problem to have….same as at running back….talented players with clear number 1s and solid number 2 and 3s….
Michael Huff finally emerging and playing to his draft status would be boon to this team.
Also notice how Walker and Huff have a lot of real legitimate competition whether its draft picks or other players.
Now look at the competition in the front 7 on defense and tell me that’s at the same level…or even close
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Javon is suposed to out perform ALL the WR’s on our roster. They’re all 1st & 2nd year guys. Walker should be setting the standard. Lets see if he can….
Good point linking position performance to position competition. I agree, and I think that is why 52 is taking 2nd string snaps. For how long? That’s up to him…
August 17th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I’m hoping Mitchell makes it back soon so we can see how he looks and see him lay some people out. It’s almost certain he won’s be a starter when the season begins, so if we don’t see him at safety now we may not see it much all season.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:20 am
RR,
1- like who?—- I like to see more of Boyd ( and Mithchell when healthy) at SS, and Branch and Eugene at FS. I also would like to try Manning at FS. No room for Huff. IMO I’m ready to give up on Huff now, even after the great play against the boys. He did that before in preseason.
2- Nnamdi played S at Cal, and he played S his 1st year with us, then CB. Huff played S/ CB at Texas, but can play S for US!
August 17th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Later Dell, and enjoy your lunch sir.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:26 am
458 correction:
* but CAN’T play S for us.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Raiders should take a look at free agent Vonnie Holliday as a possible starting DE opposite Ellis. He’s played 3-4 DE but has the size and ability to help stop the run at least. Scott could sub in as a pass rush specialist.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:28 am
From SI.Com
Stat of the Week I
When I visited the Colts last week, I noticed big people on the defensive line. Last year, part of the Colts’ downfall — they could neither run nor stop the run —
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/16/mmqb/3.html#ixzz0OSwzlPJG
August 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am
ONE play in PRESEASON is not enough to earn him a roster spot. IMHO
But if he continues to make plays, then he can stay. I’ll wait Till the final cuts.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Unemployment Colt 45 and sunday ticket hey just dnt be callin me nar@o..LOL
Welcome 2 my world brother OAKlifer!!!
in this economy it seems there is always room 4 1 more =)
August 17th, 2009 at 11:31 am
I like Matt S at End, and I like to see what D Bryant can do at Base end. He look more as a Base End to me than DT.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Huff sucks
August 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Raider O,
Give up on Huff? I was about to give up on him at the end of the season last year, but decided against. Huff needs time to develeope just like any DB (See our home-grown #21). He also went through a position change coming into the NFL. I’ll give him 1 season just for that. He has what it takes, he just needs that confidence and swagger and the belieF IN HIMSELF TO GET IT DONE.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:34 am
I’m not ready to give up on Trevor Scott for an old bum like Vonnie Holiday. People are missing the fact that Dallas has an excellent o-line and especially a damngood LEFT TACKLE. I’ll wait and see how Scott looks against Staley on Saturday night. The 49ers o-line isnt to be compared with Dallas’
August 17th, 2009 at 11:34 am
O: so you want to cut Huff in favor of undrafted rookie Boyd (a converted LB) and you want Manning at FS, even though they told him to ready for some CB & SS action ???
not going to happen. keep dreaming
August 17th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Huff is the cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz
August 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Sadly Huff will make the team. Let’s pray he doesnt start. I’d rather have Eugene as the FS than Michael Bust………errr I mean Huff
August 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Alright, it’s Brian the Genital!
About time you made you’re big return to the blog, by slender fem friend. Where’ve you been, anyway?
A bit worried about ol Krappy. He’s been MIA for a few days now and I’m thinking the very worst. That’s right – Krappy may have taken his last Krap. More to come.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am
“Huff sucks”
LOL. wow, thats just about how intelligent the Huff haters get, isn’t it?
no need to read or respond to the other facts other posters have put up.
just like the Raiders are the team everybody loves to hate, Huff is the player every raider fan loves to hate
no rhyme or reason required. haha
August 17th, 2009 at 11:43 am
RR,
It’s true he hasn’t done much for fans to love after being drafted 7th overall. Most fans want more production sooner when drafted that high. I don’t care though. A player is a player. Some need more time than others to adjust. I hope Huff DOES start, but I hope it is because he is clear cut above the competion in his position group, and not because he’s the best of the worst.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Ricky Manning Jr. will replace Darrick Brown, John Bowie, Jerome Boyd and Jason Horton on the 53 man roster imo. Before he was signed these scrubs could all compete for the final DB spot. Now he’s the favorite based on his experience. Remember Rashad Baker made the team last year and he didn’t have “Raider speed” either …
CB: Asomugha, Johnson, Routt, J. Miller, Manning
FS: Eugene, Huff
SS: Branch, Mitchell
Write that down.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:46 am
# beeecham Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Alright, it’s Brian the Genital!
About time you made you’re big return to the blog, by slender fem friend. Where’ve you been, anyway?
A bit worried about ol Krappy. He’s been MIA for a few days now and I’m thinking the very worst. That’s right – Krappy may have taken his last Krap. More to come.
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Ha look guys its the leader of the Girl Scouts of America, Bitchem!!! Look Madame, we aren’t trying to buy any cookies today. We are discussing Raider football so you can leave your over the top West Hollywood humor at the door.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:47 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am
“Huff sucks”
LOL. wow, thats just about how intelligent the Huff haters get, isn’t it?
no need to read or respond to the other facts other posters have put up.
just like the Raiders are the team everybody loves to hate, Huff is the player every raider fan loves to hate
no rhyme or reason required. haha
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Brien<————-not a fan. Never been one
August 17th, 2009 at 11:48 am
best case scenario for Huff haters …
CB: Asomugha, Johnson, Routt, Miller, Bowie/Brown/Horton
FS: Branch, Eugene
SS: Mitchell, Manning Jr.
Mitchell has been injured more often than not since the draft and he was abused in coverage even when he was healthy for part of camp. doesn’t look good for you guys. better go on the internet and find some recipes with crow in it!
August 17th, 2009 at 11:48 am
RRS…………no reason? You know better than to ever say that to me buddy. I have countless times talked about why Huff sucks. you are way out of pocket to ever lump me in a group with other people
August 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Huff is soft and has gotten worse every year
August 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
sorry Brien. I’ve seen you on this blog quite a bit.
my mistake. thought you were a Raider fan.
who you rooting for? 49ers?
August 17th, 2009 at 11:50 am
RRS…………..excuse me? I know you really dont want to start with me because I’ll bury you. I’m from Oakland buddy. Dont fuking get it twisted with the 49ers shhit
August 17th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Ok but you did this
August 17th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Brien<————-not a fan. Never been one
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who you rooting for then?
August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am
You know why you and other people like Huff? Because you are soft excuses for men. You have a common bond with beta males because you yourself are one
August 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Brien<———beyond and above a fan. Raiders are bigger than football. The mottos arent just referring to a game but you dont get that at all
August 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Brian the Genital could be a Raider fan, but that’s really secondary in his life. Fashion comes first and without it his soul would be empty!
A while back, Brian the Genital confided in me that he has a small, slender build perfect for some of the European cut styles. The Genital tries to show his more masculine side by posting on a football blog, but it really is a weak charade.
We know who you really are, Brian the Genital, and we just want you to be true to yourself!
August 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brien the General Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Huff is soft and has gotten worse every year
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You also said earlier you are not a fan. You come in here alot. Why the obssession with the Raiders anyway? Chiefs fan I bet. I’d take huff over both your starting Safties.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
am I supposed to be afraid?
you wouldn’t even fight Kelly… he said he met up with you and you backed down like a scared little girl. you wet yourself, I believe were his words. he said you had the voice of Prince and the build of Michael Jackson.
surprised he was gracious enough not to make you bite the curb!
August 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I don’t think Manning is very good. I’d be surprised if he makes the final cut. We’ll see though.
I thought Boyd looked alright vs. Dallas and even though Horton drew a couple of VERY questionable pass interference calls vs. Dallas, I was impressed by his size, speed and ability to stay with his man. Not necessarily saying he’s great or even roster-worthy, but don’t write the guy off because of a couple of bogus calls in one preseason game either.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Oh yeah Brien…
And the QB you paid so much money for? You could have gotten Walter for much cheaper. Same talent, much lower price…
August 17th, 2009 at 11:59 am
chefs got beat by the texans. that was funny
they didn’t even look like a professional football team
they looked like brian’s VD support team out there
August 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
# beeecham Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Brian the Genital could be a Raider fan, but that’s really secondary in his life. Fashion comes first and without it his soul would be empty!
A while back, Brian the Genital confided in me that he has a small, slender build perfect for some of the European cut styles. The Genital tries to show his more masculine side by posting on a football blog, but it really is a weak charade.
We know who you really are, Brian the Genital, and we just want you to be true to yourself!
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Typical 49eresque behavior by Bitchem. Look isnt there a Lifetime for women movie you should be critiquing for your presentation at your weekly Feminist group meeting for young ladies?
It is awful that you are obsessed with my genitals but I dig women not queers who do their best pose as them. Just come out of the closet Bitchem, I’m sure your mates will need you on the front like for overturning prop 8
August 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
am I supposed to be afraid?
you wouldn’t even fight Kelly… he said he met up with you and you backed down like a scared little girl. you wet yourself, I believe were his words. he said you had the voice of Prince and the build of Michael Jackson.
surprised he was gracious enough not to make you bite the curb!
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Aw that is completely false you little hicktown living bastard. Kell didnt show up. That is what happened. Go dig the archives up and see what he said and halt the revisionist history
August 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Peter King:
“Here’s what I said, and what I believe: Stafford’s got an A-minus NFL arm right now. The only quarterback I’m sure who has a better one is Jay Cutler.”
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Has this clown ever seen JaMarcus throw a football? Cutler and Stafford aren’t in his league in terms of arm strength. No QB playing right now is.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
# AZ Raider Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brien the General Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Huff is soft and has gotten worse every year
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You also said earlier you are not a fan. You come in here alot. Why the obssession with the Raiders anyway? Chiefs fan I bet. I’d take huff over both your starting Safties.
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn I’m not from KC. Born right at Kaiser right off of the 580 freeway in Oakland try again little Arizona woman
August 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
brianne: are u a raiders fan or not?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Oaklifer,
Just remember these two things, while enjoying the unemployment, the Raiders still play on Sunday and The Dude Abides.
As the Oracle would say, “Have a Colt 45, when you’re done drinking it, you’ll feel right as rain.”
August 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
So called Rockstar, dont be mad because your hero Kell wouldnt and couldnt see me about nada. He claimed he didnt want to kill me which is a laugher. Soft males always like to lean on another man whentimes are tough I get it. The trailer park……..excuse me mobile home where you smash on your sister/wife has become a bore and you need soemthing to fill the void in that miserable life you have in Missouri
August 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
What time do the adults start posting on ths Blog?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Brien<———-never referred to self as fan. It is an insult
August 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
am I supposed to be afraid?
you wouldn’t even fight Kelly… he said he met up with you and you backed down like a scared little girl. you wet yourself, I believe were his words. he said you had
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Quit lying faggot. You’re as bad as that psycho Beecham.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
# Crude Earl Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
What time do the adults start posting on ths Blog?
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When people like you stop using aliases. Use your real screen name
August 17th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
am I supposed to be afraid?
you wouldn’t even fight Kelly… he said he met up with you and you backed down like a scared little girl. you wet yourself, I believe were his words. he said you had
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Quit lying faggot. You’re as bad as that psycho Beecham.
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LOL too funny
August 17th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Come on Mockstar, tell us more about Huff and how great he is
August 17th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
LOL! hey there Kelly!
I knew it was just a matter of time …
you & brianne are a match made in the ghetto
August 17th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Let us know about the kinship you feel with him due to you both being soft
August 17th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I love this place….
August 17th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
LOL! hey there Kelly!
I knew it was just a matter of time …
you & brianne are a match made in the ghetto
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Ghetto huh? And why would be in the ghetto? Tell me how you really now. Dont hold back my klan member friend
August 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
keller & brianne:
neither of you porkers would last a second in the midwest
you run your mouth and somebody will put a foot in it.
your words are empty, just like your pants
August 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Mockstar feels the need to protect Huff. Its kinda like that movie “The Professional”. Save the little girl!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Huff and Walker are needed!!!!
Is that a bad Joke?!
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I guess it is for the uneducated or uninformed.
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I wouldnt even want Huff pissing in my mouth if my teeth were on fire.
HUFF IS AWFUL
Right after making his one and only play, his @ss got right back on the field and started to stink it up as USUAL and immediately got pulled in an effort to not hurt his girly feelings.
Id take Branch and a rookie (Mitchell) on one leg any day over over Huff /Eugene. Dont even care how many mistakes they make.
CUT HUFF NOW.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
keller & brianne:
neither of you porkers would last a second in the midwest
you run your mouth and somebody will put a foot in it.
your words are empty, just like your pants
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Hahahahahahahahahaha been to the midwest and its quite easy to take your women. You midwest guys have zero style and hardly any teeth or good hygiene
August 17th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Do any of you think the way Morrison is being treated after coming off a season as a leading tackler in the league at ML is unjust? Does anyone think it is his sorry line rather than his inconsistent play?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Its funny you would talk big bad and bold about the midwest but hey your so called favorite football team plays where? Oh yeah in the midwest I forgot
August 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Huff deserves a shot. thats all i’m saying (put your guns away homies. different kinda shot)
if that makes me soft, I guess you might as well cut Nnamdi and every other NFL player who didn’t emerge until Year 4
how are the black panther rallies going? still upset ob@ma isnt funding the program?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
CJ……….hell no. Morrison doesnt make enough plays in the run game to justify him starting in the AFC at MLB. Sorry but this is fact.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
wutup raider fans and raider haters!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
me2
August 17th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Great….a Raider blog dominated by a bunch of “Screen Berets” …chat room tough guy wannabees…
…is there ever any reasonably rational discussions here?….or just “failures to launch’ killing time until mom gets home from work to make dinner?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Huff deserves a shot. thats all i’m saying (put your guns away homies. different kinda shot)
if that makes me soft, I guess you might as well cut Nnamdi and every other NFL player who didn’t emerge until Year 4
how are the black panther rallies going? still upset ob@ma isnt funding the program?
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Homie? That is LA slang buddy. I’m live in Northern Cali. Try again
Nnamdi got better every year not worse so try again.
Black panther rallies? Ha at least the klansmen has no come out of you, which I always knew. Obama is a stooge and isnt black. He said that himself. Damn an organization period
August 17th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
brianne: i’m from cali and i’m married
there goes all your stereotypes. dumb uninformed clown
you can “take” all the missouri women you want little feller. prostitution still happens in St Louis & Kansas City
August 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
# Crude Earl Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Great….a Raider blog dominated by a bunch of “Screen Berets” …chat room tough guy wannabees…
…is there ever any reasonably rational discussions here?….or just “failures to launch’ killing time until mom gets home from work to make dinner?
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Just leave man and come back under your regular name
August 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
nnamdi says huff is going to be good this year u gotta give him another shot with all his potential talent
August 17th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
ATTENTION CHARGERS FANS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoKAcVL_phI&feature=related
August 17th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
brianne: i’m from cali and i’m married
there goes all your stereotypes. dumb uninformed clown
you can “take” all the missouri women you want little feller. prostitution still happens in St Louis & Kansas City
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Marriage to your sister cant really count can it? I know you are from cali originally. I remember talking to you numerous times about it. Prostitution happens everywhere. Its called MARRIAGE
August 17th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Nnamdi got better every year not worse so try again.
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why are you making excuses for Nnamdi’s first 3 years in the league? you must be soft! you’re such a softie!
i never said ob@ma was black. you made that connection p3nis breathe
August 17th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Nnamdi also thought Ronald Curry got a raw deal and should have been playing last year. Nnamdi’s player evaluations are about as good as Kobe’s GM skills.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Morrison now has a DC that is legite, and has calle dhim out instead of wanting to be buddy buddy with him. So no I dont think its unjust, just cause you lead in tackles(5 yards past LOS) doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be pushed or called out. If he was doing his job right, we wouldn’t be havin the conversation.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
RaiderRobG Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Oaklifer,
As the Oracle would say, “Have a Colt 45, when you’re done drinking it, you’ll feel right as rain.”
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LOL Words to live by!!!!!
Dakota we all love this place…….
Man Im reading “The Punch” right now book about Kermit and Rudy T….Its deep was this in your time good sir???
August 17th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn I’m not from KC. Born right at Kaiser right off of the 580 freeway in Oakland try again little Arizona woman
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I don’t really care… If your not a Raider fan, your a douchbag. That’s just the way it goes bro, sorry.
And for the record, I currently live in Phoenix, but Cali born in Lodi, lived in Pleasenton for a few years and held season tickets for those years as well.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
RRS
You gab all day everyday, on the company dime. 3 pm pst in Podunk, when the whistle blows, you check out. Don’t lecture me about Midwest values. Go to work fukker.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
495. What’s funny is that Jeff George is out there with his cannon and there are so many bad starters right now. Minnesota would be smart to give him a call again.
Dude, don’t you know by now the Peter Kings of the world and ESPN dill holes are a bunch of homers who are nothing but a walking book of cliches? It’s like they all get together and plan their entire season of stories and research and then recycle it amongst themselves to justify a paycheck. I.e. How many stories did we get on Favre, the Cowboys, T.O. and Wildcat offense???If I remember correctly wasn’t it once called the option? the point being these asshats are lazy dog terds that will wait for the Raiders to fall into their lap as “A surprise team” “It just proves in the NFL how you can go from worst to first.”
I just want to slap these morons, because I know what’s coming out of their mouths before they say it; which means I, and everyone else who listens to these tools is just as stupid if not more so, for listening to their crap.
We have twitter now, and this blog, we don’t need validation from CNNSI or ESPN, Peter Queen, Chris Fatman and his troll Michael Jackson or Bob Craptas to know where our team stands. All that matters is that we win on Sunday and the rest of the league and their fans can suck it! We know what our team is all about, let everyone else find out the hard way!
War, keeping it in house!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
my sister? you’re really reaching now …
people from CA marry thier sister? guess that includes you numb nuts!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Mockstar, you left Cali and became a midwest hick because you couldnt handle and hang with the big dogs. Its okay. I know many like you who left because it was too tough. Failure is apart of life for everyone, thing is its been that way for the majority of yours
August 17th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
my sister? you’re really reaching now …
people from CA marry thier sister? guess that includes you numb nuts!
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You do realize rednecks and hicks are in california you idiot. Married? Ha I would never do such a weak ass thing like get married
August 17th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
keep reaching brianne. lets talk about you
why are you on the blog if you’re not a fan?
must be a real winner, eh?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Brian, let’s be clear – I’m NOT saying you aren’t a dude, just a dude with a very slender, female-like build. And this has led you to a love of fashion.
Man I know this is sensitive topic for you, but don’t take out your frustrations on the other bloggers.
Remember Brain the Genital, you only have your mother to blame for how you turned out.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Sorry Oaklifer…I am only 33. The only Rudy T. issue I remember was the 2005 season!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
brianne: no chicks consider you marriage material?
why am i not surprised?
is it tough being a transgender bisexual?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Reaching? You reaching are SOFT spot? Yeah it figures on a marshmallow of a man like yourself
I’m not a fan of the Raiders. I didnt have a choice in the matter unlike most of you guys in here who like the Raiders because its cool and it makes you latch on to an image of toughness. I was born a Raider. You guys dont get it. The Raiders are bigger than a damn game!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
brianne has such an obsession with hicks, rednecks and country folks. kelly does too.
I wonder why?
must have ran thier mouths and got the beat down a few times. you would think they learned thier lesson …
August 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I think it’s funny when people fight on the blog…bit(#es!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
the point being these asshats are lazy dog terds that will wait for the Raiders to fall into their lap as “A surprise team” “It just proves in the NFL how you can go from worst to first.”
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LOL…. ASSHATS! I like it.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
# beeecham Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Brian, let’s be clear – I’m NOT saying you aren’t a dude, just a dude with a very slender, female-like build. And this has led you to a love of fashion.
Man I know this is sensitive topic for you, but don’t take out your frustrations on the other bloggers.
Remember Brain the Genital, you only have your mother to blame for how you turned out.
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My fashion copies Al Davis’ style. Jumpsuits all day man!!! Mom shots now? Come on Bitchem I know you can come better than that
August 17th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Beeecham
You really have nothing better to do? Really?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
brianne has such an obsession with hicks, rednecks and country folks. kelly does too.
I wonder why?
must have ran thier mouths and got the beat down a few times. you would think they learned thier lesson …
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Hahahahahaha yeah right like a hick or redneck would ever try
August 17th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Have you guys seen what is scrawling across the espn bottom line?
Viking players think Favre will be their QB this year, lol…this story never goes away!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I’m not a fan of the Raiders. I didnt have a choice in the matter
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you did’nt choose your own NFL team? who chose it for you? and why wont you tell us what team that is?
because you’re soft and you’re more of a coward than you say Huff is.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
my favorite Beech whats up bro why is every body hating on you today????
August 17th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Oaklifer,
Don’t worry about it dude, especially with sales, there is always a better job out there. I got canned almost two months ago, unemployment stepped in, and now I start on the 31st, with what appears to be at the very least, a more stable and consistant job. Everything is everything.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
so does anyone know of a good spot to watch the away games in san jose/ Milpitas???
August 17th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
brianne: no chicks consider you marriage material?
why am i not surprised?
is it tough being a transgender bisexual?
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No that is SOFT shhit, that is why you tend to favor a punk like Huff who has gotten worse year by year.
Marriage material is for someone who is a docile fool who likes to get ran over by his women and kids. Not I good sir
August 17th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Boss: Did you get those TPS reports done?
Raider Fan:
No, I’m arguing with one of my Raider brethren. He called me a douche bag on the blog and I cannot let that aggression go unanswered!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
We need Jay Richardson, Trevor Scott, and Matt Shaunnessy to step it up BIG TIME….
Or else its going to be a long @ss season with ZERO pass rush.
Everyone will inevitably compare DHB and Crabtrees careers in the end to determine which was a better choice….we should be looking at DHB and Brian Orakpo instead.
Orakpo woulda helped sooooo much more than any other player in the draft.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I’m not a fan of the Raiders. I didnt have a choice in the matter
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you did’nt choose your own NFL team? who chose it for you? and why wont you tell us what team that is?
because you’re soft and you’re more of a coward than you say Huff is.
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That was weak man really. The SOFT label is for you and Huff. You cant try to turn it around and throw it on me. Not gonna work. Its like my skin color, did I chose it or was I born with it? Thanks
August 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Understood Dakota!
It was crazy man I knew about it but never read or studied up it was Brutal and sad…Very discriptive book if you ever was a Kermit fan you should read it….
August 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
yeah right like a hick or redneck would ever try
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that why you’re so racist and judgemental, isn’t it?
that makes sense. get some counseling man. running your mouth on a blog is one thing. try some of the redneck, hick, etc etc slams anywhere in the real world to people who might take offense is another. coward
August 17th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
CantstandtheHaters Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Dmac20 Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:51 am
typo- i’m not going to call you rackoshit…
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no you sure didnt. twice. very well done lol!
and as far as the game, its preseason…
everybody is tired from 2-a-days and nobody calls a complete play. everything is fractional, situational, especially when its a reg season opponent you play.
like that famous “3-man-rush” at the goalline…it was fractional… it was just the “zone” without “blitz”…
DT drops perfectly underneath the first (or second) look and forces a hesitation, but without the “blitz” he finds Whitten mismatched on Routt with too much time… (play still could have worked and at least forced Romo to leave the pocket and make a play on the run, if either Howard or the safety on top didnt screw up. because with the DT now responsibel for the middle, one of them shoudda have the flats i guess. they fugged up and ended up trippling the middle receiver giving Romo the clean look, throwing lane)
now imagine the S, OLB or the CB rushing in on Romo with the DT taking away his first option…thats a pick if the LB comes, sack or a quarterback on the run with the ball in his hands if the DBs come on that play… IF everybody else doesnt screw it up like THOw or the Safety.
but reagrdless, that was a nice play that will be effective come regular season. they ran it, its on tape, and can now be corrected.
and thats what TC, practicing is all about…to learn by making mistakes.
ZONE-blitz baby! its coming and i LOVE it!!!!
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Definitely need to see more zone blitzing this year….consistent pressure on the QB is a must this year along with stopping the run.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
brianne: listening to a virg1n give marriage advice is pretty funny.
i got some work to do. catch u later lowlife
August 17th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Gallery over either Fitzgerald/Sean Taylor sucked ass too.
Huff over Ngata- deplorable.
Buchanan over Ed Reed terrible…..
the list goes on and on.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
vegas raider Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Oaklifer,
Don’t worry about it dude,
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Thanks bro!!!
But the really sad new is I’m going to lose my professional blog title befor I was getting paid to chat with you guys now I’ll be at home chatting yelling at the kids and kicking the dog…(not really i love my dog) LOL…..damn As of this morning I was a creditable as any BSPN writer but now im just another blogger…….
August 17th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
yeah right like a hick or redneck would ever try
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that why you’re so racist and judgemental, isn’t it?
that makes sense. get some counseling man. running your mouth on a blog is one thing. try some of the redneck, hick, etc etc slams anywhere in the real world to people who might take offense is another. coward
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We are all racist and judgemental to some extent. That is the culture in this country or have you been stuck in a small room all your life?
Running my mouth outside of the blog? LOL, I have buddy. Trust me the few years I lived down south I wasnt popular and still didnt give a damn just like I do now!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Brien the General Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Reaching? You reaching are SOFT spot? Yeah it figures on a marshmallow of a man like yourself
I’m not a fan of the Raiders. I didnt have a choice in the matter unlike most of you guys in here who like the Raiders because its cool and it makes you latch on to an image of toughness. I was born a Raider. You guys dont get it. The Raiders are bigger than a damn game!
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You dumbfukingoon! Weren’t we all born into the Nation?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
brianne: listening to a virg1n give marriage advice is pretty funny.
i got some work to do. catch u later lowlife
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Virgin? LOL, that is when you know you have an idiot on your hands. He is getting slapped back and forth. You couldt get some from the fine cali women so you settle for your fat sister and escaped Cali so people wouldnt criticize you. Work to do? Oh feeding your pig of a sister/wife? I got ya. Good luck
August 17th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Desmond Bryant, Gunheim, Boschetti, and Shaunessey need to more playing time with the 1st teamers!
Lets see what they can do!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
DK, you maybe be on to something there. It would be interesting to see how they would fare but Cable wont do that
August 17th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Vegas you were given a raw deal and I wish I knew what type of firm you were in before the hammer came down.
I would of warned you what was going to happen. NEVER do Discretionary accounts in the financial business.
They lead to fines, lawsuits and a record on your U-4 form.
You should stay in the financial business your in. You will be hired if you chose to, just be ready to explain what happened.
I’ve been in the financial area for 29 years, I know what I speak.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
An Oakland Raiders assistant coach was injured in an altercation with another member of the team’s coaching staff in training camp on Aug. 5, according to a Napa, Calif., police report.
Napa Police Lt. Brian McGovern said that in order to maintain victim confidentiality, he could not reveal the identity of the person injured. However, the National Football Post has learned that Randy Hanson, a defensive assistant, was injured.
Police responded to Queen of the Valley Hospital on Aug. 6 when Hanson arrived to receive treatment for an injured jaw.
“(The hospital) is required to report those things to the police department any time someone comes in the victim of an assault-type crime,” McGovern said. “We were dispatched to the hospital and ended up contacting the victim at that location. The victim said the assault had occurred the previous day at the Raiders’ training camp facility.
“Basically, he said he had been assaulted by a member of the staff but refused to identify who that person was. There isn’t anything we can do if the victim is uncooperative in providing us with any additional information as far as witnesses or suspect information.”
According to McGovern, the victim was in the process of receiving X-rays when he was interviewed. The results of those exams are not known. McGovern said misdemeanor assault charges could come if the victim comes forward with information that leads to an investigation. McGovern said a broken jaw could lead to felony charges.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
McGovern said that police have not followed up with the Raiders in search for more information.
Raiders senior executive John Herrera told the National Football Post on Sunday that head coach Tom Cable would address the situation with media following the team’s practice Sunday. Cable did not.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league was not aware of the alleged incident.
“We’ll look into it,” Aiello said.
Hanson, who is in his third season with the organization, is listed on the team’s Web site as a defensive assistant, and he was an assistant defensive backs coach the past two seasons. Former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin suspended Hanson after the season opener last year for remarks Hanson made following the 41-14 loss to Denver. Hanson has previously worked in St. Louis and Minnesota.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
OAKlifer Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
vegas raider Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Oaklifer,
Don’t worry about it dude,
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Thanks bro!!!
But the really sad new is I’m going to lose my professional blog title befor I was getting paid to chat with you guys now I’ll be at home chatting yelling at the kids and kicking the dog…(not really i love my dog) LOL…..damn As of this morning I was a creditable as any BSPN writer but now im just another blogger…….
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Hey Oak!
Never thought of that. You ARE MORE creditable! You can put me down as a Ref!
I can see it now:
Please list Reffences below
Name: AZ Raider
Occupation: Kool-aid Pimp
Years aquainted: Less than 1
Relationship: Fellow Nation Member
I bet I get a call, and I’d bet your more qualified than anyone on BSPN.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I thought the game was encouraging. The Offense looked way better then I expected, but on the flip side the defense looked way worse then I suspected.
Most of those big runs were at Trvor Scott who was being ABSOLUTELY ABUSED!! Swappin in Jay Richardson should help there. Unless its 3rd and 20, T. Scott should not be on the field.