Post-Schilens phase underway
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, August 18th, 2009 at 7:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.
It was planned weeks ago between coaches Tom Cable and Mike Singletary, but the opening team sessions between the Raiders and 49ers Tuesday afternoon symbolized what will be important as Oakland will be forced to begin the season without the services of wide receiver Chaz Schilens.
JaMarcus Russell handed the ball to Darren McFadden, who found a big hole up the middle with Chris Morris at center, the first of a series of plays during a running period, virtually in all of which the Raiders appeared to gain considerable ground.
(During non-tackling sessions, you can never be absolutely sure).
McFadden, Michael Bush, Justin Fargas and Gary Russell all had decent carries, and the 49ers went more than 10 plays before 49ers cornerback Reggie Smith strung out a sweep the left and stacked up Louis Rankin.
Nobody was talking about it on the record, but make no mistake _ the coaching and administrative staffs were sick over losing Schilens. The healing time on a fifth metatarsal fracture varies from patient to patient, but it’s a good bet he’ll miss the first three games against AFC West opponents.
As much as Tom Cable has made it a point to talk up the group as a whole, Schilens was far and away the best in his position group since the club arrived in Napa.
Thinking ahead to an annual end-of-camp feature, I thought Schilens was the easy leader as the offensive Most Valuable Player because he’s been more consistent than McFadden.
Sports Illustrated had dispatched a writer for a possible feature.
Instead, the Raiders were mixing and matching receivers in a way that made it impossible to tell exactly how they’ll go about the rotation. Darrius Heyward-Bey probably had fewer reps than he did in the morning session.
It’s something they’ll have to work out once they get an idea starting Monday if Javon Walker is a viable option after not practicing for the last nine months.
“As good of a camp as Chaz was having, you hate for him to let this happen this early on,” Walker said. “We just feel for him . . . but that’s part of the league and it happens and you’ve just got to try to move on and let other guys step up in his place that haven’t really maybe been getting a lot of reps. But they’re obviously going to get those reps now.”
During the second session Tuesday, the Raiders mostly played it safe, throwing checkdowns and safe, short passes, and giving Darrius Heyward-Bey fewer snaps than in the morning practice.
JaMarcus Russell capped one seven-on-seven red zone session with a pass over the middle to Johnnie Lee Higgins. It started with a swing left to Rankin, followed by an incomplete attempt to Marcel Reece at the goal line that was broken up by Manny Lawson.
Russell hit Brandon Myers for a short gain before finishing it off with a score to Higgins. Higgins, who along with Schilens gave the Raiders some legitimate threats at wide receiver toward the end of the 2008 season, sounds as if he’s prepared to step up.
“I encourage everybody to do better _ it’s their time to get in the limelight,” Higgins said. “So if they don’t want to get in the limelight, like I tell them all the time, I’ll get in it. I ain’t scared to get in the limelight. Y’all don’t want me in y’all limelight, though. Or y’all ain’t getting it back.”
For the most part, Russell and Jeff Garcia struggled against the 49ers first and second teams while Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye fared much better against the end of the 49ers bench _ which really isn’t a fair indiction of how the quarterbacks actually played considering the level of competition.
Garcia showed flashes of what has made him a difficult quarterback to defend when he rolled right after a play fake, saw an open area and ran for a good chunk of yardage.
More notes and observations from the second session:
– Still not sure how much of a blocker sixth-round tight end Brandon Myers is, but he made a tumbling end zone catch from Gradkowski for a touchdown in a red zone drill. Tony Stewart, the incumbent backup, is giving no ground, however, and has been extremely reliable as a receiver as well.
Probably doesn’t matter _ should be room for both.
– Raiders offensive linemen showed their agility, a prerequisite for zone blockers, during two-on-two blocking sessions against stunting defenders. During one instance, Seth Wand and Paul McQuistan gave virtually no ground against Ricky Jean-Francois and Lawson.
– The leader in the clubhouse as the outstanding defensive player through training camp so far? Strong safety Tyvon Branch. Has not only held up in coverage, but made plays as well. Have the Raiders finally developed their own playmaking safety?
– Among those who didn’t practice were FB Oren O’Neal and C Samson Satele. WR Louis Murphy went through some drills with wide receivers but stayed out of team sessions, indicating he may be near getting back into the mix after sustaining a hip injury against Dallas.
Rookie defensive end Matt Shaughnessy sat out practice for undisclosed reasons _ Cable will address the media Wednesday _ as did the “normal crew” of C John Wade, G Marcus Johnson, SS Mike Mitchell, T Khalif Barnes and Walker. McQuistan, who sat out the morning session, practiced in the afternoon.
– Shaughnessy, linebacker Slade Norris, defensive lineman Desmond Bryant (correction, I originally wrote Desmond Howard) and linebacker David Nixon were given haircuts courtesy of some veterans, although they weren’t nearly as bad as some of those in years past.
Spared were the two top picks, Heyward-Bey and Mitchell.
– Larry Robbins from Encino, the media watchdog who periodically trumpets the accomplishments of Al Davis to the media through e-mails sent to newspapers and sports networks all over the country, noted in his latest message, “they have a chance to be something special _ if not this year, then next year for sure.”
Somehow I don’t think that will be the message at the bottom of the next press release.
– Practices will be at 8:30 a.m. and 4:20 p.m. Wednesday, both in pads.
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August 18th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Branch looking good all right and at least it’s only 3 gms without Chaz.
August 18th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMMI
There is no putting frosting on this turd…
DAMMIT
Back to Tight End and Running Back Dump offs I am afraid.
No #1 receiver! That hurts badly
August 18th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Salvida,
Yeah, that two yrs in a row of injury that causes him to miss multiple games….three if you count his injury plagued senior year in college…which allowed him to drop to the 7th round.
Its a tough break….some players just can’t stay healthy and it ends up moving their careers sideways…
See Cadillac Williams as an example
August 18th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
JLH needs to get some more opportunities and now DHB needs to get some reps as well in certain situations where he is put in a position to succeed. More reverses and WR screens to DHB need to called.
I think Luis Murphy has a chance to step into that X role running the routes Chaz ran. Murphy kinda reminds me of Chaz just a bit smaller. Nick Miller needs to be given looks from the slot position….and our RB’s need to get the ball on screens.
Adjustments can be made with the loss of Chaz, the offense has the depth to do it.
Lets go Coach Cable, get these guys to rally around the loss of Chaz and stay positive!
August 18th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Freakin’ Sports Illustrated Jinx in effect?
Losing Chaz SUCKS!!
August 18th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I also think Nick Miller will make the roster at WR with the injury to Schilens.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Jim Rome and ESPN at it again, bad mouthing the Raiders. What else is new. I think I’d like to smack Jim Rome right in the mouth next time he says something negative. he loves to say we’re disfunctional, we’re in turmoil, etc.
ESPN, well, you all know they hate us and the negative garbage never stops.
Anyway, I think that we’ll see an end-around by DHB against the dischargers. Cable will take advantage of his speed, but doesn’t want to show the play in pre-season.
All and all I believe we’re much much more ahead than last year and we can’t take away the opener against the Cowboys, as we did pretty good overall.
GO RAIDERS…ps…John Madden too, good to see him in Napa.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Allow me to try SnB.
JR was passing to Schilens waaayy too much 1st pre-season game. Just like ZMiller last year. Maybe this would be good for him to better familiarize himself with the other WRs before season starts. So when Schilens gets back he’s more diversified in his attack.
There, I gave it a shot.
(Its a blow, but manageable depending on Javon and Murphs development. And they can get by by giving DMC more WR snaps – keep him on the field more …him and Bush …this team as plenty weapons …just got to figure out how to compensate when one goes down.)
August 18th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Nice try Jerry.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
JLH is ready. He has the goods to be a legit starter. DHB gonna have to has his hands in check. Murphy seems like the type of guy to take advantage of the chance to play with the first team. Its good to know the oline can still run block. I wonder how they looked in pass protection
August 18th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
CC sure has alot of fans here…the booze is flowin in the west side club.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Gotta love JLHs attitude though. Good stuff.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
By the way Rickey in da house.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
The O has gotten better Brien. Its the D I worry about. Have they?
August 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Man Mario got worked on two straight plays vs Manny Lawson. That sucks. Lets see an improvement tomorrow so we can see some domination on Saturday
August 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Bummer! that kills. not what we needed
August 18th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Trevor Scott was working Barry Sims over lol. Tommy Kelly was working over the guard as well. Sands apparently had a great view. Interesting things ive read today
August 18th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Well Mario getting done was in the morning session. We will see tomorrow
August 18th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Run defense gonna be a problem all year. Warren and Morrison cannot start at all if we wanna have a chance
August 18th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Run defense is going to be good enough. If Morrison starts, it will be b/c he earned it, and that Dallas game was a check mark in Ricky Brown’s column.
Gerrard Warren will be just fine. As long as he stays in his gap, we’ll be ok.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
I want to see Boschetti with the 1st team D-Line over Warren. Richardson given some snaps at RDE to see what he can do. Perhaps he can bring it from the RDE side?
The D-Line needs to be coached up on being more explosive, aggressive and use their hands more to get the O-Lines hands off them before max enagagment.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
The D-Line also needs to stay lower…
August 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
JLH needs to get some more opportunities and now DHB needs to get some reps as well in certain situations where he is put in a position to succeed. More reverses and WR screens to DHB need to called.
I think Luis Murphy has a chance to step into that X role running the routes Chaz ran. Murphy kinda reminds me of Chaz just a bit smaller. Nick Miller needs to be given looks from the slot position….and our RB’s need to get the ball on screens.
Adjustments can be made with the loss of Chaz, the offense has the depth to do it.
Lets go Coach Cable, get these guys to rally around the loss of Chaz and stay positive!
August 18th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
I would like to see some fake reverses as well…to keep defenses off balance.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Is porter still available? I know it’s not the most wanted idea but if we use him in the slot like his early days, could be a decent fix till chaz is better.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Why would you want to replace a guy on the Dline who commanded a double team most of the time he was on the field? What more do you want the guy to do? I thought the DTs job was to take up 2 blockers and free up the other guys?
August 18th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Best case scenario is Walker being healthy to take Chaz’s spot. JLH needs to stay in the slot, and we don’t need to start 2 rookies with DHB and Murphy.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I know there is potential on the team from a WR standpoint.
But for once…this Raider team seamed to have an answer at an important position of need.
Now its back to the hope game for the WR corps….hope “fill in the blank” can exceed expectations.
Dammit!
August 18th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Jhill, we have no choice at this point. Gonna have to trust those rookies we drafted right now. JLH has to start. He is the most experience guy with Russell
August 18th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
who do you think they are on the phone with tonight????? Harrison?
August 18th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
IF Walker’s healthy and ready (that’s a big if), he could really help us right now.
Man, what a gift that would be for Raider Nation if Walker started producing.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
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Glutten for Punishment Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
who do you think they are on the phone with tonight????? Harrison?
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Arizona? Lol I wish. I still would rather get a good DT in there before a wideout.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I’m going with the experienced Walker over JLH. He played well enuff to me last year. I’m really hoping he’s healthy. I like him and Murphy sharing the reps that Chaz was going to get.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
trade aso and warren for boldin? lol
August 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I would much rather prefer to lose Chaz over any of these players at this point:
1)Namdi
2)C Johnson
3) Tavvon Branch
4) Greg Ellis
5) Mario Henderson
6) Zach Miller
We can get by w/out:
JRuss
DMC
Kelly
Gallery
T Howard
August 18th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
# jhill Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Best case scenario is Walker being healthy to take Chaz’s spot. JLH needs to stay in the slot, and we don’t need to start 2 rookies with DHB and Murphy.
^^^^^^Getting Walker back next week, should help…
August 18th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
“defensive lineman Desmond Howard and linebacker David Nixon were given haircuts courtesy of some veterans, although they weren’t nearly as bad as some of those in years past.”
Desmond Howard better have bulked up quite a bit if he expects to hold up on the DLine.
I think you mean DT Desmond Bryant.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
# Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I would much rather prefer to lose Chaz over any of these players at this point:
1)Namdi
2)C Johnson
3) Tavvon Branch
4) Greg Ellis
5) Mario Henderson
6) Zach Miller
We can get by w/out:
JRuss
DMC
Kelly
Gallery
T Howard
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What? I cant believe this post
August 18th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
JHill,
I would like to see JLH getting reps with Russell. He produced for them down the stretch.
Can’t have two rookies (DHB and Murphy) as the #1 and #2….
And as for Walker…its all talk until I see it on the field with him. Last yr was a pathetic effort from him. Even when he played….
Right now I am going with JLH and DHB (#1 and #2) with Walker as a potential depending on performance in camp.
JLH produced
August 18th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
SnB, for the time being until Chaz is back, JLH and DHB start and Murphy is the slot guy. This is how it has to go. Walker doesnt deserve squat yet. The other guys have worked hard to get thier chance
August 18th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Brien the General Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
SnB, for the time being until Chaz is back, JLH and DHB start and Murphy is the slot guy. This is how it has to go. Walker doesnt deserve squat yet. The other guys have worked hard to get thier chance
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Yes sir. Agree with you 100% JLH put some catches and games together. Walker B.S’d through a few games and ended the season mid-way through.
Give JLH a shot…unless Walker is somehow lights out.
JLH at least has some chemistry with Russell
August 18th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I’m not anti JLH at all. You know I’ve been advocating a lot of 3WR sets with DMac in the backfield. For the same reasons I prefer Chaz and DHB on the outside, I prefer Walker over JLH. Simply a matter of their size. Now if Waler isn’t in the picture, I have no problem with JLH getting more snaps.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
# Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I would much rather prefer to lose Chaz over any of these players at this point:
1)Namdi
2)C Johnson
3) Tavvon Branch
4) Greg Ellis
5) Mario Henderson
6) Zach Miller
We can get by w/out:
JRuss
DMC
Kelly
Gallery
T Howard
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Dude. . . .what are you smoking?
What kind of post was that? So, who exactly would take Howard’s and Gallery’s spots? Wow.
And you really want Garcia starting ahead of J-Russ???
Can’t bleeping believe how quickly some of you people give up on a young QB (after 20 games???).
The kid had a less mistake-filled rookie year than Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, John Elway & Steve Young.
Damn!
August 18th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Why doesn’t Walker deserve it? He was starting until he got hurt.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
The Whiners gave up 55 sacks last year.
I really want to see our starting D-Lineman put some heat on the QB against that O-Line, without having to resort to blitzing in the 1st quarter.
Don’t get me wrong – I think we need to blitz a whole lot more this year, but, I’d like to see what kind of push that front 4 can generate against a mediocre O-Line.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
# Brien the General Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
SnB, for the time being until Chaz is back, JLH and DHB start and Murphy is the slot guy. This is how it has to go. Walker doesnt deserve squat yet. The other guys have worked hard to get thier chance
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Brien,
While I think DHB will turn into a fine receiver in time, I really don’t think we start the season with a rookie. That position is probably the toughest to learn, outside of the QB position. I think it’s going to take him some time to really learn good route-running.
I really think Walker is a shoe-in to start, with either Murphy or Higgins playing opposite him.
I think Higgins is really a perfect slot receiver.
If Javon has the year I believe he’s going to have (1200 yards), he and Schilens (when he returns) are going to give us a fantastic duo that we haven’t had in years.
I think by next season, Heyward-Bey will start showing some real star qualities. But, even his own college coach said he’s raw.
Just my opinion.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
IMO Russell already has a very good rapore with JLH, it just never gets reported by our blogger. He needs to work with DHB more than anyone. Walker will provide Russell with a very good route runner with great size and hands. Walker looks to be at least 220 lbs. But Chaz was fast becoming a dominant reciever. His size and speed 6′4″ 225 is very rare, there are big recievers but not many big recievers with that kind of speed.
Walker has a lot of that and there are n tricks that he hasn’t seen. DHB is a raw rookie who’s actually bigger than I thought, man this kid is very thick. DHB will eventually be a very physical player with rare speed, once he actually puts it together he will be unstoppable. From the waist down DHB looks more like a HB. A physical freak.
By the end of the preseason DHB could be our 2nd best player, right now he just doesn’t understand just what he’s capable of, but that is not going to last long.
Yeah losing Chaz is one real kick in the stomach.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I think the Whiners are going to try and play smashmouth and try and run the ball down the Raiders throats.
Lets hope Marshall and the defense is ready for it.
No way should they allow themselves to get embarrassed by the Whiner team.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I hope they do DK007, We need to see a straight ahead rushing attack to see where we are. Frank Gore will test the middle of our defense and we’ll get to see if he’s successful.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Priest,
DHB will go through the learning curve like all rookies do. I wouldn’t put a lot pressure (I am sure he puts enough on himself) on the kid to be a Pro-Bowler this year. Receiver is the hardest position next to QB.
Unless DHB is outperforming the rest in camp….I would like to see JLH and Walker as your starters to start out. Right now Russell needs help because his confidence is on the line too.
You know the haters in the media and some fans will condemn the kid with out restraint if he struggles. Whether its his fault or not.
Right now I want reliability over big play possibility. If Schlens didn’t go down….he was developing into such a reliable guy that he could give DHB the room to develop while on the field.
That option doesn’t exist for now.
Big blow to the 3rd down offense losing Schilens…
DAMMIT! I was having an outstanding week up to this!
August 18th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I think the Whiners are going to try and play smashmouth and try and run the ball down the Raiders throats.
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That’s good. The Raiders need to be tested now so that they can fix/adjust any issues before the season starts.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
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August 18th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
BHP,
I agree about Chaz. 6′4 225 with that speed is hard to find. The only player I can think of is B Marshall. And DHB reminds me of Andre Johnson from the Texans.
What are your thoughts after todays practice? Especially about he Dlime.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
*Dline
A lot of runs up the middle today, and that’s not good.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
If Walker is 100% healthy, he should start with DHB/ JLH, and Murphy backing them up.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Priest,
Sorry man, but, as much as I’d love to believe it, there’s no way in hell DHB will be our 2nd best player by the end of this pre-season.
Come on man – let’s be a little more realistic, o.k.?
I think that all of us Raider fans are, from time to time, guilty of over-hyping things.
Let’s see this with a more objective viewpoint.
Try and think of 10 receivers that just came out and kicked ass in their rookie seasons in the NFL over the past 20 years.
You may think of 10, but, I bet ya it will take you a while.
The bottom line is that it rarely happens.
Hell, even a physical freak like Calvin Johnson wasn’t dominant last year. He was good, but, not nearly as what he’s going to be this year.
I love the passion, but, let’s tone down our realistic expectation of DHB.
And for that matter, same goes for Mike Mitchell. I’d be shocked if he’s in the starting line-up before next season.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Something I noticed that was quite unexpected William Joseph is starting to look like he wants to play football. He made several decent plays and looks much quicker. Just thought I’d add, that is a welcomed surprise.
Going to watching Scott and Norris very closely. Dezmond Bryant is green as grass at DT, he is very athletic and will probably stick but he is clueless.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
He Could Be!!!!!
DMC, Nnamdi, and ZMiller will be better,but he could be our best 4th player by the end of preseason.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
OK, fair enough Silver n Smac I’ll back off that statement but I want u to watch the improvement this kid makes over the next 3 games and tell me what you think? Fair enough?
August 18th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
BHP,
94 played well against the Boys from what I remember.
I want to see what Bryant can do at LE.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I truly feel sad.
I apreciate all u optimistic fans. I always try and look at the positive things but this one is kind of tough.
We really needed Chaz in the line-up, he was building great chemistry with JR and looked bound for a great season. Zmiller n Chaz with good chemistry with a JR… Not many teams have that… a Qb, Wr/Te chemistry…and the ones that do are very respectable offenses.
We can always hope for somebody else steppin in or takin their game to a higher level (which we often do) well Chaz was doing that already now we have to hope for another wr to do the same… I know theres talent but that’s always a coin flip. Our coin seemed to have flipped our way with chaz… now we need another coin flip and the probability of winning two straight coin flips always diminish.
I read this blog daily. I seldom write, but I truly had to speak out this time. Especially livin in a san diego Charger infested area and whoever I try to break out to will just laugh and say it´s a good thing.
We need Chaz, and yes I will still keep an optimistic outlook on the season.. after all…someone can always step up there game.
p.s. Don’t worry no silver n black tears came out of my eyes… that´s only what runs through my veins.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
They doubled him and by the time the Raider adjusted to it he was on his way out of the game. Russell threw a pass to Chaz at the two and we had to kick a FG when DHB was singled in the endzone. What if he gives him a chance for the score? At that time they were bracketing Chaz because he was killing them. They started out doubling DHB and Chaz ate them up and then they doubled Chaz and Russell still threw it to him even JLH was open in the slot on that play for a TD if you really look at it.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Chaz is just so good most QB’s are going to throw his way. This could be a blessing in disguise if we capitolize on it.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
BHP,
You said ” He Could Be”, so I don’t see why you need to Back off that statement.
I will say this:
DHB could be one of the top 5 players we have by the end if preseason.
Nnamdi
DMC
Bush
ZMiller
TH, JR, JLH, and DHB can all step up and be great.
So yes!!! He Could Be!
August 18th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
DHB is a very rare athlete, if he brings a few down and gets his confidence, look out.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I forgot to add Branch to that list. He could be great too. He has all the tools, size, speed, and he loves contact.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
We have a hound team with a lit of taken, but I still think we need a DT and a RT.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
We have a young team with a lot of talent, but I still think we need a DT and a RT.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
we have 2 3rd RD picks next year.
We need to draft:
DT
OT
MLB
DT
In that order!!
August 18th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Raider O, great players are needed whereever we can get them, I know some think that I think our DT are great. I don’t I just don’t think they are nearly as bad as people make them out to be. They get blamed for everything which is what I try to highlight. Warren will never be Haynesworth or an All-Pro but he is decent enough to win with. The best DT the Raiders have ever had IMO was Chester and Warren is not that type of player. Howie Long was a 3tech, Maybe Tom Keating would be the closest thing. But we can win with Warren trust me. If everybody else does their job.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
I also would like to see:
- D Bryant at LE.
- Greenwood at MLB.
- Branch at FS with MM/ Boyd at SS.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
What if we have another player rated higher should we ignore that to get a DT who’s average. Unless there is another Chester McGlockton in the draft I’m sorry I can’t get excited about BJ Raji’s.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Pressure on DHB and opportunity for Murphy.
Walker is the wild card and could suprise…
August 18th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
BHP,
I’m sure we can win with him, but the Ogfense need to step up.
You can win with him when we don’t have a great offense, great MLB, or better Ends.
If the offense plays well to score enough to force the other team to throw more, then yes. We can win with him. But not with this team. Our offense is very young, and it needs a Defense to help it. Our Defense lacks the power and attitude in the front 7 to make plays against the run, but they are good at rushing the passer.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
heard an interview with Cable this evening(-1140-KHTK in Sac)and i can tell you the team doesn’t see a problem at DT like the people on here.in fact the DTs were singled out for their work ethic,leadership,and ability along with Branch,Chaz,Mac,and a couple others.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
RECEIVERS:
Javon Walker
Darrius Heyward Bey
Johnnie Lee Higgins
DARREN MCFADDEN
He looked good out wide and in teh slot last year with some sure handed catches in serious traffic.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
BHP,
No Rajis!!!
Good Talent at the lines next year. You will see! A lot better than the last 2 years.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Lefty12, I didn’t hear the interv iew but I knw what Cable was saying, because I see it. They play very sound if not spectacular now if they could keep paying attention to fundamentals this DT rotation can be very formidable. They’re talented, they’re just not top teir talent which everyone seems to want.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Raider O, we’ll see, great talent is easy to spot.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
The Reason Ellis, Dorsey, and Raji were drafted that high was lack of talent at that level. IMHO
Well Gents, it’s time for bed.
Have a great Night BHP, Gents, and Nation.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Chaz going down is a huge blow,but it is one of the few positions where we are fairly deep.it looks like AZ Raiders prediction of J.Walker as comeback player of the year just got an unfortunate boost.hope he can come back to his old self.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
ADios Raider O, and all the rest, easy Left!
August 18th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Nnamdi — Exactly right about McFadden. The alignment for the O should include Bush in the backfield and McFadden in the slot a LOT. With or without Chaz. McFadden isn’t as polished a route runner, but he can beat his guy 1-on-1 most times.
This is the time for the guys like Holland, with 2+ years of seasoning, to step up. He understands all the moves veteran DB’s have…he knows how to protect the football from the ball-hawk CB’s…he knows JaMarcus’ timing as well as anyone does…and his job’s literally on the line.
If DHB is on the left…and JLH is in the slot…WHO is on the right?
Another rookie?
August 18th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
met a guy who played wide out at SDSU with Chaz about a month or so ago. He told me that Chaz was the most amazing athlete they had there in years, but the guy just couldn’t stay healthy. Always a pulled this, sprained that, I disregarded it, till now.
Guess Nick Miller is gunna get his shot.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Priest,Grant Napar tried to make it sound like the D did terrible against the Cowgirls.Cable came back with yea,they had 1(one) good series.as i said,he made it clear any Def. deficiency wasn’t the fault of the DTs.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Let’s hope Javon can come back to his YOUNG self, Lefty. Hopefully, even after the pain and surgeries, his legs will be, umm, fresh. As fresh as they can be at his age. I just know he has elite talent, and elite talents oft-times do great things at the ends of careers. I sure hope he’s got some speed left in him.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
he has taken a lot of grief from fans and the media the last couple of years.if he is healthy i bet he’d love to prove all the critics wrong.if he is healthy,it wouldn’t surprise me if he did.people forget what a great talent he was and hopefully still is.and he seems like a good guy,contrary to popular opinion.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Shilens is a HUGE loss. But, someone is going to have to emerge right now. Could be Murphy. Could be Watkins. Could be “Jivin”. One of those guys has got to seize the moment, because Chaz is going to be a very good WR for a long time.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Javon’s just a super-rich super-doofus, always looking for the party. He knows this is his last real chance to start though, we’ll see if he’s got it together finally…or if his body will respond well to impact again.
Terp mentioned it earlier in here –
Not having Chaz for the rest of camp (and a month of the season? If we’re lucky) will only make JaMarcus work harder on timing with the other WR’s.
Was Chaz the ONLY guy getting open? No. Can someone else clean up in 1-on-1 coverage, while DHB or (AND?!) Javon are pulling multiple DB’s along in their wake? I’m convinced somebody else on the team can.
DeSean Jackson was a great rookie WR last year…not only because he played well…but because he had to be. He would have never responded, if he was never put in the position where he was EXPECTED to produce in the fitst place. The Eagles had nobody else, so they rolled the dice. One good play turned into another, and soon, the kid was all over the news. Our Offense wasn’t the Eagles’ Offense with McNabb, but…
Our young WR’s — Chaz included — would’ve had MUCH better numbers had they been used consistently. The reason it takes so much time for WR’s to “get it” is because they need so many reps (not necessarily catches…reps), and many times they break-down like race horses do. Ask Louis Murphy just how easy it is to tweak something and throw-off progress.
It’s been maddening to me for the past few years, to see guys like JLH, Schilens, and even Holland show they were ready…but not get used (same as Bush). Especially with JLH and Holland, they showed some lapses (and shakes), but if they were pressed into service and fed a steady diet, they would’ve handled it I think. They both look smooth now.
I’m really hoping the now 2nd- and 3rd-year guys are toughened-up and ready enough. The younger guys can flash all they want…but we need somebody to stay healthy more than a week at a time (sorry Chaz!). And somebody who will make Defenses wonder which WR to double-team, and when.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:13 am
That’s it for me…long day ahead.
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Isn’t it?!
August 19th, 2009 at 12:49 am
What happen to all the “We are loaded with good receiver” talk. I mean we are loaded with w/o. Walker had surgery that he states he feels as good as when he was a rookie. He was playing pain all last year so he was terrible. JLH is one of my favorite Raiders but he is little. They better not send him across the middle to many times. If this w/o Nick Miller rookie continues to make great catches, like he has in camp and last Thurs. maybe he should be in the slot. Legend has it that he has great hands. I hope he steps up Saturday. It will all be good; besides Chad sch isn’t Chad Johnson, just yet. This group is still a work in progress; and they appear to be progressing steadily. The state of the AFC west is a major benefit to the Raiders. It is up for grabs, so lets just start by assessing are players so we can get the best team when the real deal starts.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:12 am
I firmly believe that the offense will be much better than what we saw last year, even without Chaz Scillens.
Kwame Harris is gone. Mcfadden and Bush will play more than Justin Fargas. Those two factors alone are good for 7 points. Janikowski will kick about two field goals a game. Our special teams will average a TD in my opinion.
That’s 20 points.
Now between Walker, Murphy, Heyward Bey, Miller, Higgins, I believe we can get a Td out of that group.
That’s 27 points a game.
The defense….now that’s another story. I been saying our run defense needs serious work. Dallas exposed us on that second drive when they scored the TD.
I would give try giving Boschetti some First Team action, and we need a Middle linebacker badly.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 am
What a joke
August 19th, 2009 at 2:29 am
All this talk of DHB starting is silly. Give me a good reason, aside from blowing the 7th pick and overpaying the guy, that he should start over Murphy who, aside from his recent injury, has not only had a better camp, but gives the impression that he’s way ahead of the curve when it comes to understanding the game on the professional level.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Good Morning 2 ALL my NATION BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 3:01 am
Chris Morris looking good-he is very valuable 2 us!!!
I wanted Johnnie Lee 2 start last year,so if he starts this year I dont think anyone will be able 2 un-seat him.JLH and Murphy will start,imo
The VERY unfortunate injury 2 Chaz,Dakota put up a graph yesterday showing the length of time 4 recovery of the 5th meta is 10 weeks at the SHORTEST.This will enable us 2 put OO and Bush at RB’s and put Dmac in the slot,imo.So OO,Bush and Dmac on the field together and JLH and Murphy makes 4 a nightmare 4 opposing DC’s.We will still be…
AFC WEST CHAMPIONS REGARDLESS!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Kush, our special teams will average a touchdown per game? Please tell me you didn’t honestly write that.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:08 am
Ooops I 4got 2 add DHB in my last post so you guys can insert him where-ever you want =)
August 19th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Wow, we’ve got an AFC West title prediction, a prediction that our special teams will put up a quick 6 per game… Here’s my prediction: We have a coach involved sideline altercation in week one. And we lose.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:11 am
>> Larry Robbins from Encino, the media watchdog who periodically trumpets the accomplishments of Al Davis to the media through e-mails sent to newspapers and sports networks all over the country, noted in his latest message, “they have a chance to be something special _ if not this year, then next year for sure.”
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Hey Jerry, I’d love it if we could read what Mr. Robbins says about Al Davis. My guess is they are facts, so they don’t make it in the papers.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Jeff Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Is porter still available?
NOT NO BUT HELL NO
August 19th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Brien the General Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
SnB, for the time being until Chaz is back, JLH and DHB start and Murphy is the slot guy. This is how it has to go. Walker doesnt deserve squat yet. The other guys have worked hard to get thier chance
I must concur General Sir =)
August 19th, 2009 at 3:37 am
Out parting I see huh MR??? Well good 4 you!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Cable will wear Brass Knuckles on the side-lines this year also =)
August 19th, 2009 at 4:01 am
lol all the local “beatwriters” seem a lil upset about TCs tactic in this case huh?
but why would he or anyone else with a possible investigation pending talk to you gossip girls of aall peeps about anything?
noone in his right mind really cares about yalls bloggers “personal feelings n views” other then some girls on this site anymore!!!
if the guy says he doesnt want to talk about it, in your face, and you cant figure out why, what does that say about you as a “investigating journalist”? didnt you after all just blogg about Russells conditioning the other day without including his offseason ankle surgery in that piece, Jerr? you should know about it cause it was the backbone of your “story” in slamming Russell for his weeq long absence from the OTAs…oh snap! that wasnt it! thats right, it was his uncles, best friends passing that had him away from VOLUNTARY OTAs!!! even if it was “only” his mothers aneasthesia, something old people dont take very well, we have wittnessed YOU missing a week of MANDATORY training camp picnicing with family…
seriously. you sports guys remind me of the sell-outs from the politics sections, all over the world btw, more and more everyday. and MR wonders why the general discussions never are about what is posted above…
RAIDERS! BOMAYEAAA!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 4:24 am
i thought we were deep at wide receiver???
losing one guy… even if he is your best guy should not be crippling…
higgins will fill in… and maybe shine…
let’s not panic…
August 19th, 2009 at 4:27 am
well Pete…
I guess its a good thing we didnt trade JLH 4 your boy Brinkley or…
Would you still pull the trigger and trade JLH 4 Brinkley???
August 19th, 2009 at 5:11 am
yes, i would…
we have other receivers…
but we really, desperately need a legit run-stopping linebacker…
preferably one who considers a side of beef dessert…
August 19th, 2009 at 5:14 am
=)
August 19th, 2009 at 5:32 am
We had a whole draft and fa to sign a run stopping lb and they passed on 1 man we are so undersized oh well I hope for the best.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Me 2 NMF…Me 2
August 19th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Losing Chaz hurts, considering how well he was doing in camp…and especially against 3 division opponents in a row? That gotta sting somewhat!
August 19th, 2009 at 5:59 am
# Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I would much rather prefer to lose Chaz over any of these players at this point:
1)Namdi
2)C Johnson
3) Tavvon Branch
4) Greg Ellis
5) Mario Henderson
6) Zach Miller
We can get by w/out:
JRuss
DMC
Kelly
Gallery
T Howard
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Dude! Are you trying to drop a depth charge on us or what?! Any team is GOING DOWN if it loses its top five players — hell, the Pats didn’t do nearly as well last year because of their quarterback.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Morning Hwnrdr Bro !!!
Yep stinga a little but it will make Jmac better,imo
August 19th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Morning NATION!!!!!!
4eva, hwnrdr, tbone, pete, NMF, cantstand,
mrning gents….Chaaz will be fine and so will the rest of our young WR core it is sad but not tragic…It could have been gallery or McFadden then we would be doomed…So we will move on from this just like I pray the mediots move on from farve….seriously 8-8 will have childress and his man love for farve in the UFL or CFL anytime!!!LOL
August 19th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Morning OAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:10 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. THIS IS WHERE A TEAM FIND’S OUT ABOUT IT’S PERSONELL. A FRONT-LINE GUY GET’S HURT, SOMEONE NEED’S 2 STEP UP. I THINK 4EVA IS CORRECT,IF,I SAY IF MR RUSSELL WAS COUNTING ON CHAZ JUST A LITTLE 2 MUCH, THIS WILL FORCE HIM 2 SPREAD THINGS AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE,HOPEFULLY MAKING HIM / THE TEAM BETTER .
August 19th, 2009 at 6:15 am
You are right 4eva, Dirt Lot…Russell is now forced to spread the ball around…which is a good thing!
OAK, yup…it could have been worse!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:21 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Kush, our special teams will average a touchdown per game? Please tell me you didn’t honestly write that.
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Doesn’t Jano play on special teams? 6 points sounds conservative to me..
August 19th, 2009 at 6:27 am
wow…
the question becomes how much of a drop in quality is it from your No 1 to your No 2 ???
in the case of our receiving corps, i do not think it is that much of a drop in quality… Walker, Higgins can fill the role quite adequately…
running backs… McF goes down… i think Bush can step in quite nicely… perhaps more than nicely…
i believe we have a plug and play line… losing one guy is tolerable… losing more than one would be painful… losing three would be disasterous…
Frye will be an adequate backup to Jamarcus… especially since our offense is not really centered on Russell…
losing any of our DTs would be problematic not because of a dropoff in quality (stop laughing) but because we simply do not have a good rotation as it is…
losing Nnamdi would be more than painful… he’s the only one, right now, who gets any respect…
the injury bug is already hitting us…
we will be starting this season without the services of Chaz…
and we will probably not have Mitchell or Ekejuiba…
August 19th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Good Post #121 Pete!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Morning Nation,
Just a little humor to start the day.
Barak Obama was out jogging one morning along the parkway when he tripped, fell over the bridge railing and landed in the creek below.
Before the Secret Service guys could get to him, 3 kids who were fishing pulled him out of the water. He was so grateful he offered the kids whatever they wanted.
The first kid said, ‘I want to go to Disneyland ‘
Barak said, ‘No problem, I’ll take you there on my special airplane.
The second kid said, ‘I want a new pair of Nike Air Jordan shoes.
Barak said, ‘I’ll get them for you and even have Michael Jordan sign them!’
The third kid said, ‘ I want a motorized wheelchair with a built in TV and stereo headset!’ Barak was a little perplexed by this and said, ‘But you don’t look like you’re handicapped.’
The kid said, ‘I will be after my dad finds out I saved your ass from drowning!’
August 19th, 2009 at 6:33 am
As the late, great Jackie Gleason would say, “And away we go!”
August 19th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Shaughnessy, linebacker Slade Norris, defensive lineman Desmond Bryant and linebacker David Nixon were given haircuts courtesy of some veterans, although they weren’t nearly as bad as some of those in years past.
Spared were the two top picks, Heyward-Bey and Mitchell.
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what about Louis Murphy & Brandon Myers?
Jerome Boyd, Nick Miller & Shawn Bayes could have used one too!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am
LOL! nice one exla …
August 19th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Funny Exla…
Good Morning Rockstar!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:42 am
We’re gonna be just fine. I’m basing this on a feeling I have that San Diego will validate themselves being a Norv Turner coached football team, that Denver sucks ass, and KC is going to be pretty sorry. Leaving room for us to run run run the football on the way to five if not six divisional wins.
Our offense doesn’t need crazy numbers from our wide outs. We need them to catch a couple of balls and let Miller and the backs worry about putting points on the board.
I cannot wait to see Bush put Merriman on his ass!
Once that happens I trust all of us will be taking a huge sigh of relief. Ala Bo Jackson vs The Bozz.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:43 am
And of course Southwick – the Mormon Stallion – was spared the haircut treatment as well. I think the last guy to touch Danny’s hair was…Randy Hanson.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:46 am
RaiderRobG Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I cannot wait to see Bush put Merriman on his ass!
Once that happens I trust all of us will be taking a huge sigh of relief. Ala Bo Jackson vs The Bozz.
That would get the crowd into the game and never be out of it! Bo put the Bozz outta football. Never knew what hit him!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:48 am
NCAA investigating Vols’ tailback
Associated Press
Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin said yesterday that the NCAA is investigating an eligibility problem involving freshman tailback Bryce Brown’s amateur status when he was in high school in Wichita, Kan.
The NCAA is reviewing whether money was raised for Brown to visit colleges during his sophomore year. The Vols were not recruiting Brown at the time.
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Tragical.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:49 am
It’s also clear that Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks his team needs some tough love after the Herm Edwards era. Asked Tuesday about Brett Favre’s return, Haley turned the focus back inward.
“I’m just worried about this house. It’s on fire, and I’m trying to keep it from burning down.”
On Tuesday, Kansas City Star writer Kent Babb wrote that he thought Croyle was playing so well, “he’s threatening [Matt] Cassel’s job.”
LOL after this happens and The Donks trade Brandon and Orten falls flat on his face!!! We only have to worry about SD who has gotten worse every year since Norv took over!!! I love it!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 6:51 am
I think the last guy to touch Danny’s hair was…Randy Hanson.
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LMAO…Good work BSJ
August 19th, 2009 at 6:51 am
I agree with Pete.
whats with all this “the sky is falling!” bs?
Chaz Schilens is just one guy. We have 4 or 5 other WR’s who can make plays. Plus our RB’s & TE’s have displayed excellent receiving skills all offseason long.
Let’s not forget that we’re a run-first team. The passing attack doesn’t depend on whether or not Chaz is in the lineup. It’ll be determined on how well the pass blocking is. Last year our QB’s were sacked 39 times (5 of those were on Walter and 2 on Tui) last year! those sacks resulted in 13 fumbles, 7 lost.
Denver’s OL = 12 sacks allowed
San Diego’s OL = 25 sacks allowed
Kansas City’s OL = 37 sacks allowed
unless Cornell Green shows up and isn’t the player he was the past two seasons, we’re in trouble. Let’s also hope that Samson Satele can get the job done and that Cooper Carlisle struggles vs Dallas get corrected before the season starts
August 19th, 2009 at 6:54 am
BSJ: I like to call Danny Southwick “the stormin’ mormon”
you don’t mess with a kid on a mission!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:00 am
OAKlifer & AZ: I fully expect the Kool-Aid to keep flowing
with or without Chaz Schilens
with or without a Cable/Hanson dispute
8-8 baby! Raiders are on the rise!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:01 am
I wonder how business will be at this Breen Bay Steakhouse?
http://www.brettfavresteakhouse.com/steakhouse/index.html
August 19th, 2009 at 7:02 am
that’s Green Bay
August 19th, 2009 at 7:02 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 6:54 am
BSJ: I like to call Danny Southwick “the stormin’ mormon”
you don’t mess with a kid on a mission!
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LOL! You might get a BYUKO…
August 19th, 2009 at 7:04 am
You might get a BYUKO…
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haha. exactly!
even Larry King is watching his non-believing azz
August 19th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Exla and Bo
Are you gonna join the fantasy league?…
Get OAKlifer or 4eva to give you the info.
Later.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:08 am
did the Kool-Aid well run dry?
did the Kool-Aid wave wipeout?
August 19th, 2009 at 7:11 am
I was the last one to join the original league.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Hey all you blog FFL participants: Decided on a cool trophy yet? I suggest http://www.uncrate.com/men/gear/sports/ultimate-fantasy-football-trophy/
August 19th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Bob,
I keep planning on joining at home (can’t get to yahoo sports at work) but then things get crazy and next thing I know the alarms goin’ off…
My wife tells me there is only so much I can blame on Fosters oil cans.
I need a personal assistant!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Hey Rockstar…
I hope that the kool-aid well didn’t run dry, nor the wave wiped out!!!
This has got to be the season of dramatic improvement!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:29 am
I hate morons I mean mormons.
I would pee on Southwick!!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Good Morning Raider Men!
I have meetings this morning, but I would like to leave you with this small tidbit of advice.
Hope and optimisim is a behavior of the individual to a soul of need, versus negativity and despair will only feed others.
One man is only part of a team, the last time I checked there were eleven on offense and eleven on defense.
Later.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Just Kidding he is a Raider, which supersedes all religious and political beliefs !!
Bo I think I will join your FFL give me a link.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:33 am
My wife tells me there is only so much I can blame on Fosters oil cans.
I need a personal assistant!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
LOL its Colt 45 for me but the wife says the same thing!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Just Kidding he is a Raider, which supersedes all religious and political beliefs !!
Bo I think I will join your FFL give me a link.
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JerryMac’sKidz2
(ID# 574390)
PW NATION
This is the one Marley and Bo speak of Mr. S&B
We are all in there well 10 of us still have four spots left we would love to have ya!!!
OAK
August 19th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Later Dell Good Luck!!!!!!!
9-7
Javon Will be productive
Chaz will be just fine!!!
McFadden 1200 all purpose yrds 10 TS’s
Jruss only 9 picks!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come rise with us!!!!!
the well never runs dry in the EAST BAY!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I would pee on Southwick!!
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HOLD THE PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“the intern” is VERY well repected in these parts….
(he’s Bo’s nephew I think)….
August 19th, 2009 at 7:44 am
I could pee on “Heart attack” Bo instead that would be more fun. Is he a Mormon?
August 19th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Good morning everyone. Looks like the game will be on KTLA once again…we’ll see if the 49ers continue to make our D look like a bunch of puzzies, or if it was just a fluke…
August 19th, 2009 at 7:47 am
possibly….he talks more politics than religion!!
LOL you playin FFL this year brother??
August 19th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Okifer that password is not working.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:53 am
NATION
all caps should work in the yahoo free leagues……
August 19th, 2009 at 7:54 am
KTLA sucks as bad as the lakers…..hehehe
August 19th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Mormons are great…without them we wouldn’t have the HBO show Big Love!
Not to mention their great underwear:
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/62606/556321.jpg
The woman’s set can only be accessed by her husband and the man’s set can only be accessed by 13 year old girls!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Well its like I have been saying all week long in here. Dallas was so happy at how easily they dissected us on that second series that the first string was on the bench after that.
Dallas was off kilt because of the bad field position on the first possession the very next possession they moved the ball at will.
It will be interesting to see what our D can do against Gore and company.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Good Morning Dakota!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Good morning Sam Bowie, I mean Oaklifer!
August 19th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Chaz being out does not determine the fate of the Raiders. Not even my opinion determines the fate of this years win/lost column. What does is the way JAM reacts to Chaz being out of the line up. If he lacks confidence in his WRs early that could cause an issue. Now with this being said, I hope he will be confident enough with having Zach Miller as a safety net.
I would rather Chaz come back healthy than having a bad wheel for years to come.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:01 am
LOL!!!
If I had to pick I think I’d rather be Daivd…….
Is Bynum going to be ready to handle all the brut force we have in the block???
August 19th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Good Wrok S&B is that you???? The B.S.!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 8:07 am
OK I signed up
Check it out I am there now Okifer
August 19th, 2009 at 8:08 am
I would rather be David Bowie as well look at who he is married to and how much money he has.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Yes I am the Bas tard Squad
Its from the Young Ones
August 19th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Brute force on the block? Oh, you must mean that ancient lookin’ muthafooker who has chronic injuries as opposed to Bynum’s unlucky injuries? Yeah, I think we got him handled, lol.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:11 am
did some one say chronic………
HEY besides Joel doesnt look that old!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 8:12 am
“Shaq Baq in L.A.?
Kurt Helin of KNBC in Los Angeles is reporting that Shaq wants to return to the Lakers next season. While promoting his new television show, Shaq Vs., the former Laker hasn’t ruled out the possibility of returning to the team where he enjoyed the greatest success of his storied career.
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Thanks but no thanks
August 19th, 2009 at 8:15 am
LOL he just relocated this is propagenda!!!!!!!
The only thing he would be doing in LA is working In and Out Security!!!! LOL
August 19th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Oak, I can’t believe you still drink Malt Liqour …
Colt 45? Billy Dee?
LMFAO!
August 19th, 2009 at 8:20 am
I’m not sure how some of you think that losing your #1 WR is not going to hurt.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:21 am
If our defense lines up with Scott, Morrison, and Routt on the field at the same time, we are going to have the same problems we did last week.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:22 am
jhill Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Oak, I can’t believe you still drink Malt Liqour …
Colt 45? Billy Dee?
LMFAO!
***************************kahakies hagin off my asz Colt 45 in my glass
August 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am
The password I used was NATION
August 19th, 2009 at 8:36 am
You still carrying Watkins jock eh Oak ?
lmao @ Watkins emerging! You’re a REAL talent evaluator Oakglen…..hahaha
# Oakglenn Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Shilens is a HUGE loss. But, someone is going to have to emerge right now. Could be Murphy. Could be Watkins. Could be “Jivin”. One of those guys has got to seize the moment, because Chaz is going to be a very good WR for a long time.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:40 am
LOL Oak …
Too funny!
Who would’ve ever thought that we would have a FFL organizer who has … kahakies hagin off his asz and Colt 45 in his glass.
I love this land!
August 19th, 2009 at 8:41 am
LAST WARNING:
Those of you who have yet to swear this oath to Al Davis have until 8:00 p.m. EST today to take said oath and sign the oath card in the presence of a Notary Public. Those who fail shall be severely punished and shall be barred from future enrolment in the Raider Nation.
I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Al Davis, the Managing General Partner of the Oakland Raiders and supreme commander of the Oakland Raiders’ Defense, and that I shall at all times be ready, as a brave fan, to give my life for this oath.
Dated this ____ day of August, 2009.
___________________________________(Signature)
By:________________________________(Print Name here)
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this ____ day of August, 2009 at ________ o’clock ___.m.
_______________________________________
NOTARY PUBLIC – ________________(State)
(SEAL)
My commission expires: ____________
August 19th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I filled mine out last week,Dakota
August 19th, 2009 at 8:44 am
To put Chaz’s break in perspective soemetimes a break is not that bad. I recall hearing if Bo Jackson’s leg was weak and broke when he was tackled in the “Bungels” game his hip would have never poped out ending his career. They said if he was not so muscular in his leg and would have given him a clen break he would have been out for a year.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:45 am
signed mine Jan 1992 when I turned 18
August 19th, 2009 at 8:48 am
soo… Chaz has weak legs???
August 19th, 2009 at 8:48 am
you can find it on file at: 1220 Harbor BayParkway
Alameda, CA
August 19th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Dakota Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 8:41 am
LAST WARNING:
Those of you who have yet to swear this oath to Al Davis have until 8:00 p.m. EST today to take said oath and sign the oath card in the presence of a Notary Public. Those who fail shall be severely punished and shall be barred from future enrolment in the Raider Nation.
I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Al Davis, the Managing General Partner of the Oakland Raiders and supreme commander of the Oakland Raiders’ Defense, and that I shall at all times be ready, as a brave fan, to give my life for this oath.
Dated this ____ day of August, 2009.
___________________________________(Signature)
By:________________________________(Print Name here)
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this ____ day of August, 2009 at ________ o’clock ___.m.
_______________________________________
NOTARY PUBLIC – ________________(State)
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My commission expires: ____________
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can’t i just sign the sumbitch???
August 19th, 2009 at 8:51 am
No Pete, all oaths lacking a valid Notary Public signature and seal shall be considered null and void. No exceptions.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:52 am
To compound the Chaz issue, it doesnt sound like Z. Miller is having a good camp. He has been hurt and Ive read about him dropping passes and gettin pushed into the backfield on blocks.
Have you guys checked out Behind the Shield on Raiders.com. There is an interview from Javon Walker and they show some clips of him running through drills.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Bo Jackson had avascular necrosis, would have had short career whether dislocation or break that day, maybe even shorter with break.
AVN is a disease resulting from the temporary or permanent loss of the blood supply to an area of bone, Without blood, the bone tissue dies and the bone collapses
August 19th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Quit crying you babies! The passing game is going to be brought along slowly this seson anyway. We are a run first team. We have a great tight end and some exciting young talent that will have to step up.. Cheer up for gosh sakes. Now if we had lost Chaz for the season it would be different but we didn’t.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I love this land!
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Land of the Free
Home of the Brave
And 2-live is what we are……….
August 19th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Dakota Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 8:41 am
LAST WARNING:
Those of you who have yet to swear this oath to Al Davis have until 8:00 p.m. EST today to take said oath and sign the oath card in the presence of a Notary Public. Those who fail shall be severely punished and shall be barred from future enrolment in the Raider Nation.
I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Al Davis, the Managing General Partner of the Oakland Raiders and supreme commander of the Oakland Raiders’ Defense, and that I shall at all times be ready, as a brave fan, to give my life for this oath.
Dated this ____ day of August, 2009.
___________________________________(Signature)
By:________________________________(Print Name here)
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this ____ day of August, 2009 at ________ o’clock ___.m.
_______________________________________
NOTARY PUBLIC – ________________(State)
(SEAL)
My commission expires: ____________
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Been signed since 1980 beech.
His team, his money, his company, HE IS THE RAIDERS.
He can do whatever the fukc he wants- DO YOU NOT GET THAT.
Like it or leave.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:06 am
hmmmm…Justinternbaby……
BSJ is that you????
August 19th, 2009 at 9:06 am
This land is my land
This land is your land
August 19th, 2009 at 9:08 am
from alamaeda to Statnon Island
August 19th, 2009 at 9:08 am
OAKlifer Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I love this land!
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Land of the Free
Home of the Brave
And 2-live is what we are……….
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Luke Skyywaker records reference—-NICE.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:09 am
in mexico it goes like this:
this land is my land…
your land is my land…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I’m not sure how some of you think that losing your #1 WR is not going to hurt.
To compound the Chaz issue, it doesnt sound like Z. Miller is having a good camp.
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chill fellas! I agree with No More Infield
August 19th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Luke and brother marquese are my homies!!!1 to bad that riff started and Luke left man that was some raw shizzzzzz
August 19th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I signed and had mine notarized when I was under Amy Trask skirt I mean desk I mean in her office.
Then I took it to Lucifer and had it signed in blood, so I know mine is valid!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:12 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOqlH4YZBkM
LMFAO Hitler pissed about Cowboys loss
August 19th, 2009 at 9:13 am
SOO thats how you know she has a pimply azz =)
August 19th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Higgins, Walker, Heyward-Bey, Murphy and Nick Miller = solid WR’s
Zach Miller, Tony Stewart and Brandon Myers = solid TE’s
McFadden, Bush, Fargas = solid RB trio
Russell, Garcia = solid at the QB position
my concern about our passing offense is two fold …
1. pass protection: Raiders OL gave up more sacks than the Chiefs last year. Gave up more than the dolts & donks combined !!!
2. play calling: Cable has to keep defenses guessing. keep them off balance. be aggressive and most importantly, keep the most produtive players on the football field
August 19th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Oakifer
It looks like the FF league is full now.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Touche 4ervaRaider
You got me on that!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:18 am
OAKlifer Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:06 am
hmmmm…Justinternbaby……
BSJ is that you????
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Ya think?!?! LOL.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Dakota Dakota Dakota…
THAI IS SOME FUNNY SCHIZZIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:21 am
THAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII =)
August 19th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I don’t understand why 90 percent of Raider Nation thinks that losing Chaz Schilens to injury limits or retards the offense. Higgins was more impressive last year. He was more explosive, durable and had better stats. Players rip it up in camp & preseason all the time and find themselves out of a job when push comes to shove. It’s not like we got Curry & Lelie again. We got Javon Walker minus the Vegas beating and we drafted two young WR’s who have been impressive this offseason. Plus Nick Miller seems to be turning some heads. Even JaMarcus Russell said “we need to get this kid in the game”
I see no reason why Russell shouldn’t be able to reach at least 3200 passing yards, 20 TD’s and fewer fumbles
August 19th, 2009 at 9:27 am
4eva,
You talk Thai? Oh yes, 4eva talk Thai!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:29 am
RR let me try and explain it to you.
Nobody has worked harder this off season than Chaz he went to JaMarcus Russell’s WR camp and worked out with him. He and Russell have developed a chemistry this off season and it was evident during our first pre-season game.
To lose what little bit of momentum our offense passing game had going is a set back and that’s why this is a big deal.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dakota do you speak European?
August 19th, 2009 at 9:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:14 am
2. play calling: Cable has to keep defenses guessing. keep them off balance. be aggressive and most importantly, keep the most produtive players on the football field.
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I’m worried about playcalling too…better give Southwick a headset.
Dakota, are you a notary perhaps?
August 19th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I talt Thai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the Hitler scream THAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
August 19th, 2009 at 9:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I don’t understand why 90 percent of Raider Nation thinks that losing Chaz Schilens to injury limits or retards the offense. Higgins was more impressive last year. He was more explosive, durable and had better stats. Players rip it up in camp & preseason all the time and find themselves out of a job when push comes to shove. It’s not like we got Curry & Lelie again. We got Javon Walker minus the Vegas beating and we drafted two young WR’s who have been impressive this offseason. Plus Nick Miller seems to be turning some heads. Even JaMarcus Russell said “we need to get this kid in the game”
I see no reason why Russell shouldn’t be able to reach at least 3200 passing yards, 20 TD’s and fewer fumbles
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RR,
Are you for real with this? I think we can still be effective passing the ball, but to say Chaz is anything less that a huge loss is crazy IMO. Going back to last season after Chaz got his start, I can’t recall a pass thrown his way that wasn’t caught. A few that I thought were “uncatchable”, and he still manages to hold on to the ball. THAT alone is a big deal because no one but Nick Miller has shown hands like that in camp. Jerry tweets say Walkers hands look at least as good as Schilens, but we havent seen him yet in camp or game setting yet.
Bottom line:
Huge loss for the Raiders…
9-7!
JAVON WALKER COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
DRINK UP!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:32 am
* Raiders coach Tom Cable said there’s enough depth at wide receiver to survive without emerging go-to guy Chaz Schilens.
* Tight end Tony Stewart made two dynamic catches as he continues a strong camp.
* Once considered a blocker with special teams skill, he is showing the hands to be a perfect complement to Zach Miller. The more Stewart does this, the more expendable sixth-round draft pick Brandon Myers becomes.
* Myers’ can make it as a special teams guy, too. In punt drills, he put two players on the ground.
* DHB looked best on the last play of practice, when he ran down a Russell pass and got his feet inbounds with 14 seconds left in the 2-minute drill. That set up a winning field goal.
* In pass-rushing drills, Tommy Kelly went 2-0 vs. Chilo Rachal. He finished with a swim move to ease past Rachal’s left side.
* Trevor Scott was just as impressive on the edge against left tackle Barry Sims. The former Raider had nothing on the defensive end.
* Middle linebacker Kirk Morrison ran with the second team. He hit a blitz unblocked the one team I saw him try.
-David White (SF Gate)
August 19th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I’m laughing so hard I cant Typiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
August 19th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Nobody has worked harder this off season than Chaz he went to JaMarcus Russell’s WR camp and worked out with him
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silver: Chaz wasn’t there. Louis Murphy was though.
Jerry Mac has said countless times that Chaz can’t shake the injury bug. That was evident last year during the regular season and even this offseason (before yesterday) at times. We drafted 2 WR’s in April. Hopefully they’ll get more of a chance now to showcase thier skills
I’m not worried. Raider Nation shouldn’t be either.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Yep it seems if you were 2 compare Chaz with some other WR,2me it would be…
Harold Charmicheal because…
Even tho he is 2 inches shorter than Carmicheal,his speed and jumping ability FAR surpasses Harold.Chaz is our “possession” WR as WELL as a deep threat.A sore loss and it will only make us better when Chaz returns,imo
August 19th, 2009 at 9:40 am
raidertay Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 8:52 am
To compound the Chaz issue, it doesnt sound like Z. Miller is having a good camp. He has been hurt and Ive read about him dropping passes and gettin pushed into the backfield on blocks.
Have you guys checked out Behind the Shield on Raiders.com. There is an interview from Javon Walker and they show some clips of him running through drills.
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Tay,
my work computer blocks that site. How did he look? Explosive?
August 19th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Bo, yep, being a notary pays off in the pawn shop business…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:42 am
1. pass protection: Raiders OL gave up more sacks than the Chiefs last year. Gave up more than the dolts & donks combined !!!
2. play calling: Cable has to keep defenses guessing. keep them off balance. be aggressive and most importantly, keep the most produtive players on the football field
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I share these concerns. Hopefully Russell will be good at sensing pressure and knowing when to step up in the pocket. In the preseason game, it seemed as if the pocket was colapsing from the back quite a bit.
Play calling. I think this should be the #1 concern. I sure hope Cable has it in him to be smart about his play calling. In the NFL, to be a good team, you really need good playcalling. Of course, everyone in here knows this.
On, and by the way, yes, Chaz is a big loss. I understand you can have camp stars that do nothing in regular season but it seemed that he and Russell had a great connection. 5 catches in less than 1 quarter of play? That’s good, especially against the 1’s. And you can’t expect the rookies to start ripping it up from the get-go. It happens, but it’s rare for the WR position. So, now you’re relying on Walker and JLH. Hope the promise Walker is showing translates onto the field.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Are you for real with this? I think we can still be effective passing the ball, but to say Chaz is anything less that a huge loss is crazy IMO. Going back to last season after Chaz got his start, I can’t recall a pass thrown his way that wasn’t caught. A few that I thought were “uncatchable”, and he still manages to hold on to the ball. THAT alone is a big deal because no one but Nick Miller has shown hands like that in camp. Jerry tweets say Walkers hands look at least as good as Schilens, but we havent seen him yet in camp or game setting yet.
Bottom line:
Huge loss for the Raiders…
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AZ: good points. I agree with most of them. Chaz Schilens is a good football player. I get that. He was our #1 WR. I understand. Do we need him in order to achieve success? No. for further reasoning read the other 12 or so posts I put up this AM
where’s the friggin Kool-Aid?
looks like i’m serving this morning since the rest of the Nation is depressed over nothing.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Trade for Tavaris Jackson.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:44 am
I think the loss of Chaz is gonna show big time in game one if:
1. Javon doesn’t come back to the BEST of his abilities.
2. JR doesn’t go out of his way to work OT with the receiving core.
3. The Defence can not stop the run. (We will have to pass a whole lot more)
August 19th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Don’t worry RR, I’m making a batch right now…
1000 YARDS FOR…. Errrrr Murphy? No, WALKER!
JUST FYCKIN WIN BABY!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
9-7!
DRINK IT!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:47 am
01rdrfan Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:44 am
I think the loss of Chaz is gonna show big time in game one if:
1. Javon doesn’t come back to the BEST of his abilities.
2. JR doesn’t go out of his way to work OT with the receiving core.
3. The Defence can not stop the run. (We will have to pass a whole lot more)
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#2 – Now that is a fact. Russell should be working OT with the reamining healthy recievers for SURE! If he’s not already thinking and planning to do so, we have a problem. I trust he will figure that out.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:48 am
5 catches in less than 1 quarter of play? That’s good, especially against the 1’s. And you can’t expect the rookies to start ripping it up from the get-go. It happens, but it’s rare for the WR position.
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Dallas had both starting CB’s Newman & Jenkins out to injury. Chaz was essentially beating guys like Bowie & Horton in camp …
Deshaun Jackson & Eddie Royal ripped it up last year. Donnie Avery came on strong too. these were all 2nd round picks last year. Louis Murphy has 2nd round talent and has been making an impression during camp. Heyward-Bey is a Top 10 draft pick and the 1st WR taken. You expect him to make an impact, even in his rookie year. That’s why he’s a starter.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Raiders werent going to come close to winning opener anyway.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:51 am
JUST FYCKING WIN!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Raiders werent going to come close to winning opener anyway.
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Can I borrow your crystal ball? I need to win the lotto…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Yep if he can stay healthy,408’s and Raider O’s boy Chaz can REALLY BE SOMETHING SPECIAL,imo
August 19th, 2009 at 9:53 am
i’m a repostin’… ’cause everything i got to say is the schizzz…
Florida Pete Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 6:27 am
wow…
the question becomes how much of a drop in quality is it from your No 1 to your No 2 ???
in the case of our receiving corps, i do not think it is that much of a drop in quality… Walker, Higgins can fill the role quite adequately…
running backs… McF goes down… i think Bush can step in quite nicely… perhaps more than nicely…
i believe we have a plug and play line… losing one guy is tolerable… losing more than one would be painful… losing three would be disasterous…
Frye will be an adequate backup to Jamarcus… especially since our offense is not really centered on Russell…
losing any of our DTs would be problematic not because of a dropoff in quality (stop laughing) but because we simply do not have a good rotation as it is…
losing Nnamdi would be more than painful… he’s the only one, right now, who gets any respect…
the injury bug is already hitting us…
we will be starting this season without the services of Chaz…
and we will probably not have Mitchell or Ekejuiba…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Ya AZ, my crystal ball says the Raiders go 4-12,..feel better now?
August 19th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I’m really excited about Higgins. I know you guys want to put him in a box and limit him to Punt Return duties, but I don’t agree. This cat is a playmaker. He’s got that homerun hitter mentality and he’s explosive with the ball in his hands – sort of like McFadden. The original depth chart had him behind Heyward-Bey. I’m wondering now if they’ll try to make a possession receiver out of him until Walker & Murphy are 100 percent healthy & ready? I can’t see Holland, Watkins or Nick Miller starting ahead of Higgins …
August 19th, 2009 at 9:55 am
aka: Riverside Raiders Fan:
If we can stop the 49ers’ run game, their starters against
our starters this Saturday, then that will really be big.
Besides filling the gaps, staying low and pushing forward, we need Marshall to continue the blitzing. Success would be a big mental uplift in the confidence area, and maybe Al Davis will allow Marshall to continue some blitzing during the regular season. We all know that it’s Al who has always put the “nixs” to blitzing, as he strongly believes in just four man pressure. After six years of losing, maybe Al will give it a chance? Hopefully???
Comment on Cables’ statement: We’re playing faster on our offense. Really? Hell yes, it was obvious. We were hitting the holes so fast their linebackers weren’t there yet. Especially D-Mac. He hit those holes so fast and then with his blazing speed, he was gone, long gone. Expect to see much more of that and expect him to break many of these runs into TD’s. He needs to start. This loyalty to Fargus is well intended but doesn’t lead to early scores. Fargus is not a game breaker or a threat the defense has to adjust for, while D-Mac forces the defense to play us differently because of the numerous threats and options we get from his “blazing, lighting and overwhelming speed!”
August 19th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Well, that’s a good point RR. Forgot about the starting CBs being out. Still, he’s been showing quite a bit of promise to this point.
My excitement on DHB is tempered until we get more out of him (route running & catching the ball). Murphy sounds like the read deal though and seems to be getting lost in the shuffle. Wanna see him out there more. Hope he isn’t getting to be an afterthought with the coaches simply because he’s a 4th rounder. If Jerry’s observations are to be believed, Murphy seems to be making more plays than Bey. He seemed hungry too, from his demeaner in the preseason game. Looked like he wanted the ball bad.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Raiders werent going to come close to winning opener anyway.
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for a raider fan you sure come up with a lot of stupid negative schit…
are you sure you didn’t want MR at your tailgate ???
you’re starting to sound like him…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:57 am
RRS,
Just saying that losing your best guy at a position can’t be a good thing. I didn’t say the sky was falling, or anything like that. But if the top guy goes down, the head and shoulders top guy from what we’ve been hearing, then that is going to matter.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:57 am
I’d love to see Higgins on the field, I just think he benefits greatly by being in the slot and that made sense with Walker/Schilens and it still makes sense with Walker/DHB.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:57 am
If the Raiders were serious about turning around losing ways they would have brought back Gruden,..but didnt,..so losing ways is the future, and present.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Imagine 4 WR sets with Walker and DHB on the outside. Put Higgins and McFadden in each slot and Bush at tailback. Thats dangerous if JR can make a quick decision.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Ya AZ, my crystal ball says the Raiders go 4-12,..feel better now?
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Norco, your such a douche. the meds make you depressed or what? Why wouldn’t a Raider fan give their own team a chance to win? Condem them to failure before they take the field. Why spend so much time talking Raiders if there is nothing to look forward too? What is the point. It’s pathetic.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:01 am
The Raiders, well Mr Davis, had the opportunity, to right all wrongs, bring back the winning attitude,…but chose not to,…let pride get in way of winning.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Norco smoked the wrong pipe or took the wrong pill. If all that stuff worked, he would be in a better mood.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:06 am
AZ,..are you in Arizona?…if thats so you have the right to just shut up,..Im with the people that go to every game, you are a dork in another state, you have zero rights. Comprende?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Jhill: let me ask you this question …
Schilens, DHB, Walker, Higgins, Murphy
vs.
DHB, Walker, Higgins, Murphy, N. Miller
is this going to cost us any games?
we have a fully functional WR corps with or without him. that why I say “no big loss”
the pass offense could struggle for 3 reasons:
1. bad playcalling
2. o-line that stinks in pass protection
3. Russell’s accuracy, timing, footwork, etc etc
none of which include Chaz Schilens, you see?
that brings up another good point. If Russell can’t do it without Chaz – Jeff Garcia can. He better start to develop a chemistry with the entire WR corps and not put all his eggs in one injury prone basket
August 19th, 2009 at 10:07 am
He’s got nothing else to do, that’s why. dying for some kind of aknowledgment.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:07 am
By bud brien disagrees with me on this one, but Davis could have righted this sinking ship, he could have brought back Gruden but didnt, he would rather lose then admit he was dead ass wrong getting rid of him in the first place.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Aka: Riverside Raiders Fan:
RaiderRocketstar, post #236:
I agree with you on JLH. Also with another year under his belt, the early mistakes and fumbles behind him, he should do real good this year.
It’s also great when he scores, as he likes to do the “over-the-head-flips” which are fun to watch and they add to the moment and the momentum building at that time.
Note to Norco Bob: After we win our opener against the dischargers and Norv “the patsy” Turner, I’ll be willing to drive down to Norco (only 5 to 7 miles) and buy you a Pizza or giant burger of your choice, along with a pitcher
of cold beer. We will win a minimum of at least (8) games and our opener “WINNER” is going to open many eyes, especially those who hate us at ESPN, and Jim Rome, too.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Cancun guy,..you must be new,..is there a city called Norco or something? lol
August 19th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Gruden cant work with young QBs let alone young players. He can win with a bunch of vets but we have a young team. That offensive system he has is done with as far as winning a title. Never will have an elite offense. Gruden is better off in the NCAA like Kiffin
August 19th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Nick Miller scorches fellow undrafted FA Jahi Word-Daniels with double move, Garcia hits him deep . . .
36 minutes ago from PockeTwit
August 19th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Russell breaks up tough stretch with strike to DHB, deep middle, throws short Bush third anf 10
25 minutes ago from PockeTwit
August 19th, 2009 at 10:14 am
JLH stepping up, leaping catch from Frye over PR Rossum.
22 minutes ago from PockeTwit
STEPPIN IT UUUUPPPPP!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:57 am
If the Raiders were serious about turning around losing ways they would have brought back Gruden,..but didnt,..so losing ways is the future, and present.
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Gruden = loser who both started and ended his HC courtesy of Al Davis.
Norco = out of pills but still swallowing MR.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:15 am
# 24 Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Imagine 4 WR sets with Walker and DHB on the outside. Put Higgins and McFadden in each slot and Bush at tailback. Thats dangerous if JR can make a quick decision.
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24, sorry but ill take murphy over walker. javon is a bum
August 19th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Sh!t brien,…Gruden was the man, dont know why you cant admit that,..when he was here it all changed, the losing attitude, the groveling to Davis,…the entire fanbase was re-energized,..it was good times bro.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Yes Bo,..Im out of pills and that sucks.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:18 am
If Walker steps in for Schillens, like I said, I think we will be ok. I like a healthy Walker as a seamless bridge until Chaz gets back.
JLH and Chaz are 2 different types of players. It’s pretty obvious to me that he would be best used as a slot WR. I am not saying that is the only way to use him, but I see a potential mismatch when he is in that position.
Chaz, DHB, JLH, Walker, and Murphy is a top notch WR corps. Losing the best one of the bunch weakens the group. Will it cost us games? I didn’t say it would. But it might make the games a little tougher to win.
Look, if he’s no loss, why don’t we trade him for a MLB or stout Dline stud?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:18 am
rodsdays: thanks for the updates! are those from Jerry Mac’s twitter page?
glad to hear Higgins, DHB & Nick Miller are taking advantage of the opportunity. I figured they would. Read Higgins comments above …
“I encourage everybody to do better _ it’s their time to get in the limelight,” Higgins said. “So if they don’t want to get in the limelight, like I tell them all the time, I’ll get in it. I ain’t scared to get in the limelight. Y’all don’t want me in y’all limelight, though. Or y’all ain’t getting it back.”
He’s Hungry! feed him JaWalrus!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Norco Bob…I’m not new, I use to post under Riverside Raiders fan.
Yes, The city of Norco, starts at the end of Riverside. Norco is a small town, zoned for big lots as many of the people there own horses. It’s kind of county like. I assumed (wrongly, my bad) that you live in Norco, just about 5 miles from where I live in Riverside. I always read your comments, along with others, but I don’t post that much. I guess I’ll have to pass on the offer of Pizza and beer, but it was well intended from a Raider fan to another.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Sh!t brien,…Gruden was the man, dont know why you cant admit that,..when he was here it all changed, the losing attitude, the groveling to Davis,…the entire fanbase was re-energized,..it was good times bro.
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damn, norco…
i’m not sure i have enough booze, pot, and pills to put up with a downer like you…
now i really am laughing my as off…
August 19th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Cancun dude,,…Iv never heard of that town,..I am a Norco addict, hence the name.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Pete, sucks to be you you have to steal others lines to amuse yourself.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I think the reason the Schilens injury hurts and we have no idea if Schilens was going to truly show up in the regular season but he looked the part. Anyways, being that Schilens looked ready, is a big target and catches everything, this is why we’re hurting…
Javon Walker can be great but he hasn’t been in awhile and maybe hes ready to come back and make a difference and I predict he will, you just never know if hes mentally and physically going to be able to do it. Hes injury prone so hes an injury or a mental lapse waiting to happen.
JLH seems to be the most polished along with Schilens and should “realistically” start but hes smallish and is he finally over the giveth and taketh bug? Can he be consistent?
DHB is a rookie and isn’t sure handed at this point. Rookies don’t normally provide much in their first 2 years so will he or won’t he and can he be more than just a deep threat?
Murphy looks the part but is he the part? He played on 2 Gators Championship teams and was surrounded by alot of talent. Again, hes a rookie, can he realistically stand out so soon and make an impact. Based on his measurables and what he has to offer, he almost seems more ready than DHB.
Nick Miller is raw and probably a pre-season wonder but once the season starts, he’d probably disappear. He shows promise like any young receiver that rolls through Oakland.
THIS is why Schilens was important.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 am
But hey, living in Florida,..sucks so bad you may as well laugh. Ya?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:23 am
# Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 am
But hey, living in Florida,..sucks so bad you may as well laugh. Ya?
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Most of florida does suck except for Tampa,Orlando and Miami. The rest of swamp land and smells like schit
August 19th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Garner and Rice?>…bro if not for them we dont go to superbowl,..especially garner.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am
I just don’t see why you don’t like Gruden. He was clearly our best coach in recent memory. I don’t count not developing Tui as not being able to work with young QBs.
I would take Gruden back in a second. Especially the way he has been sticking up for the Raiders, and still says WE when talking about them.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 am
But hey, living in Florida,..sucks so bad you may as well laugh. Ya?
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hang on a minute…
let me take a triple shot of Beam…
ah…
okay…
now you make sense…
schitt, that was funny, nork…
August 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Look, if he’s no loss, why don’t we trade him for a MLB or stout Dline stud?
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gladly. find a trade partner!
the run defense is WAY weaker than the WR corps minus Chaz. He probably doesn’t have much trade value though since he’s injury prone and his stats last year could have been matched by another team’s 4th or 5th WR …
a 7th rounder’s contract would be dirt cheap though, so it’s entirely possible. I wouldn’t trade him for a draft pick though – we’d just draft another DB!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The Raiders brass ALL WANTED GRUDEN BACK, NEVER WANTED HIM TO BE TRADED….but only one person gets a vote out there.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Gruden ran and dink and dunk offense because he had a dink and dunk QB.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Yes Rockstar…that’s form jerry´s tweeter page… not lookin to good now. :S
August 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am
24 Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Imagine 4 WR sets with Walker and DHB on the outside. Put Higgins and McFadden in each slot and Bush at tailback. Thats dangerous if JR can make a quick decision.
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Thats a hell of a good line-up 24
August 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Right now…we have
2 Veteran WR’s
3 Rookie WR’s
1 Injured WR
This doesn’t yell production.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Jon Gruden was the very best thing thats happened to the team in the last 25 years and was run out of town in the middle of the night. Period.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:27 am
The problem with Schilens is that nobody knows him outside of Oakland except Dallas because we played them.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am
# jhill Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:18 am
If Walker steps in for Schillens, like I said, I think we will be ok. I like a healthy Walker as a seamless bridge until Chaz gets back.
JLH and Chaz are 2 different types of players. It’s pretty obvious to me that he would be best used as a slot WR. I am not saying that is the only way to use him, but I see a potential mismatch when he is in that position.
Chaz, DHB, JLH, Walker, and Murphy is a top notch WR corps. Losing the best one of the bunch weakens the group. Will it cost us games? I didn’t say it would. But it might make the games a little tougher to win.
Look, if he’s no loss, why don’t we trade him for a MLB or stout Dline stud?
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We seen him make plays on the outside as well. Guy is quick out of his breaks and he will go up for the ball and has nice hands to boot. The guy is a player and I saw it since the preseason game vs the Cards in 2007
August 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Frye finds DHB, who locates open spot in middle zone, much to disgust of 49er DB coach Johnnie Lynn . . .
15 minutes ago from PockeTwit
McFadden too fast for Ulbrich on screen left.
19 minutes ago from PockeTwit
August 19th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Now Bob is MR? You guys reach too hard around here. Go check the archives and see both guys in here at the same time and check that comment Pete
August 19th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Getting really embarrassing. Bly, Clements intercept Gradkowski passes and 49ers are doing all the talking
7 minutes ago from PockeTwit
Nate Clements: ‘I love it when they can’t compete.’
10 minutes ago from PockeTwit
Just like a game….they should turn ir around even in practice.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:30 am
McFadden too fast for Ulbrich on screen left.
19 minutes ago from PockeTwit
Who knew?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:18 am
“I encourage everybody to do better _ it’s their time to get in the limelight,” Higgins said. “So if they don’t want to get in the limelight, like I tell them all the time, I’ll get in it. I ain’t scared to get in the limelight. Y’all don’t want me in y’all limelight, though. Or y’all ain’t getting it back.”
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Spoken like a true intern?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Az,..once you ran scared to another state you lost all rights.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:32 am
i don’t remember Norco being this negative…
it almost sounds to me like he’s not a fan of the Raiders…
and if he isn’t maybe he should tailgate wearing red and gold…
piss on this negative bullschitt…
i’m out…
August 19th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Look fellow Raiders fans, it’s like this …
your girlfriend (Chaz Schilens) just dumped you.
you have 2 options.
1. whine and complain about it and talk about how we’ll never be able to overcome such a tragedy. What does this accomplish? will it bring him back?
or
2. move on to the next and hope for the best. there are plenty of fish in the sea. hungry ones
August 19th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Fck U norco, ur just a hater!
I’m not puttin anyone down…I’m just keepin it real!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Gradkowski sucks though. They cant pass on the Raiders I know that much
August 19th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Jon Gruden was the very best thing thats happened to the team in the last 25 years and was run out of town in the middle of the night. Period.
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Actually, Norco sounds more like Priest. Note his abuse of the “Period” arguement…
August 19th, 2009 at 10:34 am
2. move on to the next and hope for the best. there are plenty of fish in the sea. hungry ones
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Totally agree with that. This crybaby shit will do nothing to help us when we gotta play SD in under a month
August 19th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Norco Bob<—————- real Raider
August 19th, 2009 at 10:36 am
B,
How many times to I have to say it? I agree that JLH is a playmaker. I like what he brings to the team. In certain situations, like the two TE set, I have no problem with him on the outside.
I just prefer him in the slot. And again I’ll say, run the 3WR set as your base offense and put him in the slot.
My preference is big WRs that beat press coverage. JMO!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Norco Bob Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Az,..once you ran scared to another state you lost all rights.
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WTF are you talking about? Doesn’t matter… Carry on.
What a douche.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:36 am
So is Cable going to get suspended for the incident? If so, will Hanson be named interim HC since he is co close with Al Davis?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Getting really embarrassing. Bly, Clements intercept Gradkowski passes and 49ers are doing all the talking
Nate Clements: ‘I love it when they can’t compete.’
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why are thier starters bragging about intercepting our 3rd or 4th string QB? because Bruce Gradkowski could compete to be thier starting QB?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:38 am
All you guys should read JLH bio on da Raider page.Since high-school the kid has been a phenom.Me and General Brian been talkin this kid up since he was a rookie.When you read his bio page you will see what Big Al saw,imo…the second comming of Cliff Branch.As unfortunate as it is going 2B 2 lose Chaz,Johnnie Lee will start now…and I dont think he will ever look back
August 19th, 2009 at 10:39 am
It’s a downer that Shilens got hurt, but it wasn’t season ending, he’ll be back soon and he plays a position where we have a lot of depth. Running backs and receivers are not problem areas for us. Injuries are part of the game and they happen to all teams. It’s OK. It’s not like the season ending injury to Oren O’Neal last year. It’s good to hear that he’s back at 100% as he’s going to spring some runners for some good gainers. He’s a real smasher.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:40 am
# jhill Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:36 am
B,
How many times to I have to say it? I agree that JLH is a playmaker. I like what he brings to the team. In certain situations, like the two TE set, I have no problem with him on the outside.
I just prefer him in the slot. And again I’ll say, run the 3WR set as your base offense and put him in the slot.
My preference is big WRs that beat press coverage. JMO!
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You are entitled to your opinion and i always respect yours Jheezy. But I must pick your brain since you are a smart dude. Now a 3 WR set as the base? So as of now you propose DHB/Walker as the outside guys with Higgins in the slot? That leaves a one back set because miller has to be in the game. I dont know man. That means Neal or Oneal aint out there to block. I doubt Russell’s decision making can handle that as a base offense right now
August 19th, 2009 at 10:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Getting really embarrassing. Bly, Clements intercept Gradkowski passes and 49ers are doing all the talking
Nate Clements: ‘I love it when they can’t compete.’
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why are thier starters bragging about intercepting our 3rd or 4th string QB? because Bruce Gradkowski could compete to be thier starting QB?
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Just happy our 3rd string is better than Denvers starter LOL.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:43 am
JaMarcus throw behind Murphy for inc pass, at least it wasn’t picked. Practice comes to merciful end. Wow.
Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:32:03 +0000
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The Niners are mocking them: “They can”t even get lined up,” after JaMarcus rehuddles. “I love when they can’t compete.”
Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:30:34 +0000
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Quite possibly the worst … practice … ever. Shoulders slumped like they’re losing a blowout or something.
Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:29:22 +0000
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Haven’t been able to tweet this morning. All you need to know: 5 Raiders picks, 3 by JaMarcus.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Norco – You have to be kidding bro? When the Raiders talk about Raider Nation, its because there are Raider fans all over the world. The Raiders are Global. For you to say AZ Raider lost all rights for moving to another state is way off base. Global is what the Raider Nation is all about. We have a large fan base.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:38 am
All you guys should read JLH bio on da Raider page.Since high-school the kid has been a phenom.Me and General Brian been talkin this kid up since he was a rookie.When you read his bio page you will see what Big Al saw,imo…the second comming of Cliff Branch.As unfortunate as it is going 2B 2 lose Chaz,Johnnie Lee will start now…and I dont think he will ever look back
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My god we gotta get you to a tailgate. Too much knowledge from one of the leading members from the A.M, crew
August 19th, 2009 at 10:45 am
As unfortunate as it is going 2B 2 lose Chaz,Johnnie Lee will start now…and I dont think he will ever look back
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wow 4eva! high praise for JLH …
don’t forget though, under Tom Cable players don’t lose thier jobs to injury. If Schilens can come back at 100 percent before the bye week, he could come off the PUP list and challenge to reclaim that job. However, if Heyward-Bey, Walker, Higgins & Murphy are ripping it up they may decide to keep Chaz on the shelf for the rest of the year as a safety precaution (like Michael Bush) and make sure he’s ready. not to rush him back
August 19th, 2009 at 10:46 am
You are entitled to your opinion and i always respect yours Jheezy. But I must pick your brain since you are a smart dude. Now a 3 WR set as the base? So as of now you propose DHB/Walker as the outside guys with Higgins in the slot? That leaves a one back set because miller has to be in the game. I dont know man. That means Neal or Oneal aint out there to block. I doubt Russell’s decision making can handle that as a base offense right now
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2 WR
2 HB
1 TE
Yeah baby!
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Brien this is what I’m talkin about! Pound the rock! Go deep!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:46 am
On the beach in Cancun Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:39 am
It’s a downer that Shilens got hurt, but it wasn’t season ending, he’ll be back soon and he plays a position where we have a lot of depth.
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Sorry Cancun,
Many times a broken 5th metatarsal will take 10 to 21 weeks for an athlete to return from…we probably won’t see Chaz until November at the earliest…maybe not until 2010 if he lets the Raider’s doctors at him:
Dakota Says:
August 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Sorry guys, this is probably not what you want to see right now! Here are some recovery times for soccer players that have broken metatarsals…anywhere from 10 weeks to 21 weeks on a broken 5th metatarsal!:
RECOVERY TIMES
Michael Owen (2006): Fifth metatarsal – predicted 6-8 weeks returned 17 weeks later
Wayne Rooney (2004): Fifth metatarsal – predicted 8 weeks returned 14 weeks later
Gary Neville (2002): Fifth metatarsal – predicted 6-8 weeks returned 21 weeks later
Ashley Cole (2005): Fifth metatarsal – predicted 6-8 weeks returned 12 weeks later
Steven Gerrard (2004): Fifth metatarsal – predicted 6-8 weeks returned 10 weeks later
Danny Murphy (2002): Second metatarsal – predicted 6 weeks returned 21 weeks later
David Beckham (2002): Second metatarsal – predicted 6 weeks returned 7 weeks later
Scott Parker (2004): Second metatarsal – predicted 8 weeks returned 34 weeks later
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/health_and_fitness/4283136.stm
August 19th, 2009 at 10:47 am
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August 19th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Doesn’t anybody think its a bold statement when they say we have a great WR core? I don’t mean to bust anybody’s bubble but I think what we have is talent at the position but who doesn’t? Nobody can possibly say that we have a great WR core when 3 of those guys are rookies (DHB, Murphy, Miller) and unknowns in the NFL. What happens if all 3 are busts? That leaves us with an unknown commodity in Walker and a Rising star in JLH. I’m not saying we aren’t talented but I wouldn’t say we’re deep with all the unknowns surrounding the unit.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am
JaMarcus throw behind Murphy for inc pass, at least it wasn’t picked.
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glad to hear Louis Murphy is back out there …
get your head in the game Russell !!!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am
LOL this site is fukin up my diagram!
What-ev you can picture it. Bush and DMAC on the field at the same time with DHB and Walker out wide and trusty Zack making things happen in the middle!
9-7!
DRINK IT!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I’m afraid Russell just will never be a great QB. He can be above average but never a great one. But we are better with him that Garbage-cia
August 19th, 2009 at 10:50 am
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Yes? No? X’s? Are you ok?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:51 am
NOPE… fun trying anyway.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:51 am
24 we arent great at the WR spot yet. We have potential to be explosive but that wont be known until sept 14th. But the WR spot doesnt concern me like the defensive front 7
August 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am
JaPorpoise needs to have a talk with Tollner, Hackett & Cable …
3 INT’s against a garbage team like San Fran is unacceptable
August 19th, 2009 at 10:53 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am
JaPorpoise needs to have a talk with Tollner, Hackett & Cable …
3 INT’s against a garbage team like San Fran is unacceptable
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Its called Kyle Ortonism
August 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Is Sands playing better. I hope to God he wakes up because Warren as the NT is embarrassing like Fargas trying to run the ball
August 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Brien – I totally agree with you. I’m just glad you see the WR position for what it is instead of saying its a deep position. Potential is the correct word and yes…the front 7 is more alarming.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Dakota:
Can’t argue against your stats. Just wishful thinking on my part and going with the early comments, even from Schilens, himself. But at least the injury wasn’t to Mario Henderson or Robert Gallery where we have no real depth.
Hopefully, your wrong, as the degree of the break (could be close to a small crack or fracture), and the healing time of the individual, himself, will play a big part. We’ll see.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Seriously we have spent the last 6 years recovering from Gruden carrying old worn out vets on this team.
Look what he did in Tampa…The same thing!!
Why do you think they told him to pound sand in Tampa?
The guys cant coach youth and this team is on a youth movement so the RAIDERS BRASS as you call them were 100% correct when they saw Gruden on the job market and said no.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:57 am
LOL NYJ is interested in Brandon Marshall. Denver will be the worse team in the NFL. I think I need to go to Denver for a weekend in december. Go there friday and go to the Bash nightclub find a nice snow bunny beezy. Saturday go up to Boulder,Co go smash on a co-ed beezy then Sunday watch the Raiders dance and gig at Mile Low nvest nothing Field lol
August 19th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Tollner knows SF’s offense like the back of his hand.
Rathman knows ours.
it’s going to be a battle on Saturday.
Tom Rathman turned Frank Gore into a friggin tank … I wish he had another year or two with McFadden & Bush
He’s the one who recruited DMC!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Call me crazy but I don’t think Orton is a terrible QB. He didn’t have alot of offensive weapons with the Bears but he far exceeded the expectations of it. I think he protects the ball well and is more of a game manager than a playmaker but that fits right into what Josh McDaniels is trying to teach. He might have thrown 3 interceptions on a pre-season game but so what? Thats pre-season. I think Orton can look better with the Broncos than Cutler can look with the Bears personally but it will be interesting to watch and obviously…I hope I’m completely wrong.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:58 am
# Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Seriously we have spent the last 6 years recovering from Gruden carrying old worn out vets on this team.
Look what he did in Tampa…The same thing!!
Why do you think they told him to pound sand in Tampa?
The guys cant coach youth and this team is on a youth movement so the RAIDERS BRASS as you call them were 100% correct when they saw Gruden on the job market and said no.
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You keep talking like that and i will revoke your scholarship
August 19th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I think whats going to hurt Orton is missing Brandon Marshall. If Marshall stays and plays, Orton’s life will be alot easier otherwise hes going to struggle.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:00 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Tollner knows SF’s offense like the back of his hand.
Rathman knows ours.
it’s going to be a battle on Saturday.
Tom Rathman turned Frank Gore into a friggin tank … I wish he had another year or two with McFadden & Bush
He’s the one who recruited DMC!
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I agree with you on Saturday.
But I mean it doesnt take much to recruit dmac right? lol dude is raw
August 19th, 2009 at 11:00 am
My scholarship….”GULP”
I digress Gruden was cool!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I’ll be back later. Peace.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:04 am
a fox news guy hating on the Raiders
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9950928/What-did-you-expect-from-the-Silver-and-Black?
wait till we shut up all these mediots up this year when we win…..
August 19th, 2009 at 11:06 am
At this point Chaz is an after thought. IMO he is not part of the Raiders future until he proves that he can stay healthy. He stayed hurt in College and now that has carried over to the NFL. Obviously the Raiders had the same concern and thats why we drafted two WRs.
Im hoping he proves me wrong, but Im just being realistic. A WR that breaks a bone simply running a route is not durable and cannot be counted on for 16 games.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Warren sucks. Morrison sucks. Eugene sucks. No wonder the defense will suck. Nice to know Trevor Scott was giving it to the 49ers oline
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I wonder if there is any shot in hell that the Donks would consider trading Marshall to the Raiders.
Actally thats probably not a good idea considering that everyone already thinks that we employ ever ex felon in the NFL.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I use “base” very lightly, B, but my second option is the two TE set.
I’m not a big fan of the I as a base formation. I don’t really want to see that until we have a lead or are in the 4th qtr. Don’t get me wrong, I want to see the I, but no where near as often as we have in the past. I didn’t like what I saw from Neal at all. He looks as old as he is. He should NEVER get another swing pass.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Prepare for a boring game on Saturday. It’s gonna be like watching a huge televised practice with ourselves.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Tay, yeah prolly right. That is just how it goes. so The youngsters gotta step up. I think they will. The team will fight for Cable. Russell and the front 7 scare me
August 19th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Yes the front 7 is more alarming I agree also Brien
August 19th, 2009 at 11:13 am
missed alot……..
brien and narco are owning you guys……..
“Are you new is there a city called Narco?”
I love it!!!
Raider on gents!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 am
# AZ Raider Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Prepare for a boring game on Saturday. It’s gonna be like watching a huge televised practice with ourselves.
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I dont believe that. When Cable was at UCLA i was living in southern california and saw all the games. Cable is gonna have guts if no brains when it comes to what the offense will do. Also the 49ers have a qb competition. Dont throw out the fact people are interested to see what Garbagecia will do
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Brien the General Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:57 am
LOL NYJ is interested in Brandon Marshall. Denver will be the worse team in the NFL. I think I need to go to Denver for a weekend in december. Go there friday and go to the Bash nightclub find a nice snow bunny beezy. Saturday go up to Boulder,Co go smash on a co-ed beezy then Sunday watch the Raiders dance and gig at Mile Low nvest nothing Field lol
LMMFAO!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Sup wit it Lifer?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:15 am
YOU CRAZY 24 =)
August 19th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Bad practice. JaPlatypus looks to be stalled. Did you guys see a lot of good footwork in the Dallas game? To me he was throwing off his back foot a lot. His quick decisions were better though.
And 24, Orton is catastrophically bad, and only been a starter cuz Grossman is an even bigger dog. I speak from experience watching Orton since college. Cutler will do better, plus the Bearcubs have a defense. Denver will be coming from behind most games with a QB who can’t make the big play.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:16 am
4eva, i been to Denver sporting my Raider gear and truly the women flock to it. Im serious. Same goes for KC and damn SD is even worse. Go to the SD games and its alot of single women there that dont want Charger men. Its hilarious and awesome being a Raider
August 19th, 2009 at 11:18 am
nadaa brein how goes it brother……
I love the brut truth on here later in the days…..
August 19th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Brien the General Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 am
# AZ Raider Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Prepare for a boring game on Saturday. It’s gonna be like watching a huge televised practice with ourselves.
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I dont believe that. When Cable was at UCLA i was living in southern california and saw all the games. Cable is gonna have guts if no brains when it comes to what the offense will do. Also the 49ers have a qb competition. Dont throw out the fact people are interested to see what Garbagecia will do
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I didnt think about the QB competition, good point. Cable isn’t gonna throw the playbook out there though. He’ll be predictable with a pass-happy attack to try and develope timing with the passing game, just as we did with Dallas. Only problem is the 9ers know this and have been practicing defending every play we will throw at them.
It will be a defensively dominate game for both clubs.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:19 am
# jhill Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I use “base” very lightly, B, but my second option is the two TE set.
I’m not a big fan of the I as a base formation. I don’t really want to see that until we have a lead or are in the 4th qtr. Don’t get me wrong, I want to see the I, but no where near as often as we have in the past. I didn’t like what I saw from Neal at all. He looks as old as he is. He should NEVER get another swing pass.
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Well i guess we got different likes on offensive football. I love the I. But i do wanna see a array of formations. I was the first person on thi site when the season ended saying we needed another TE. The double tight end formation is something I’m happy about. Neal on a swing pass is awful but he can open holes man. Saturday will show you because Russell will play the entire first half as well as the entire first string
August 19th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Man OAKlifer, aint doing much. Actually I’m at my cuzzo house in Hunter’s Point in the mufukin hood right now lol. Also trying to get everyone to not be down about Chaz. We got young guys who claim they wanna play so they got their chance
August 19th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Don’t get me wrong,
The I has it’s place. Power I around the goal line, and short yardage situations. And maybe even when we are within 30 yds of our goal line. But when we have a wide open field, I like having all the speed I can on the field. And the FB is just not one of those guys. Again, I’m talking primary play calling situations, not situational play calling.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Well AZ, last year the game was more defensively dominated. I think both teams improved offensively from last preseason. I think more offense will be seen IMO.
AZ, in this game what things are you looking for from our team?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:26 am
# jhill Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Don’t get me wrong,
The I has it’s place. Power I around the goal line, and short yardage situations. And maybe even when we are within 30 yds of our goal line. But when we have a wide open field, I like having all the speed I can on the field. And the FB is just not one of those guys. Again, I’m talking primary play calling situations, not situational play calling.
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LOL us power around the goal line? That is the problem with the ZBS. Near the goal area it sucks. I kinda see what you are saying though with all the speed we have. But the thing is Russell seems like the type of QB who needs a run heavy scheme with simplistic passing game. But as KoolKell said last week it was refreshing to see the diverse pass patterns in the offense
August 19th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Brien<—————-can talk football, politics or go into personal attacks. However you guys want. No problemo
August 19th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Yup thats da hood tell cutty be safe after dark!!! Chaz will be fine I agree he’ll be back by week 4 and JLH Murphy Javon and JLH ( my boy) will step it up!!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Brien,
You party with Narco at the tail gates??? Im finna get in on that this year!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I know your still not sold on JRuss, lol. I think my point is that offense would really simplify things for any QB. I just don’t see LBs and Ss matching up with Meyers, Miller, and DMac. And once the safeties start helping …. Just saying it should be pretty simple, ya know?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Call me crazy but I don’t think Orton is a terrible QB.
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24: I agree …
Orton’s supporting cast in Chicago
RB: Matt Forte, Kevin Jones
WR: Devin Hester, Rashied Davis, Brandon Lloyd, Marty Booker
TE: Greg Olsen, Desmond Clark
o-line allowed 29 sacks
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Orton’s supporting cast in Denver
RB: Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Gaffney
TE: Scheffler, Graham
o-line allowed 12 sacks
August 19th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Brien the General Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Well AZ, last year the game was more defensively dominated. I think both teams improved offensively from last preseason. I think more offense will be seen IMO.
AZ, in this game what things are you looking for from our team?
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Not much in this one. I still think bot D’s will dominate the game because of all the prectice time together. If it wasn’t with the 9ers, I’d be looking for about 70% pass attack to develope timing with the WR’s as I stated earlier.
I gues I’d say I’m looking at how our D stacks up to the run game, and I’d like to get a nice long look at Nick Miller with the first team in the slot and returning kicks.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am
B,
ya’ll should hit up Sam Jordans thats tha spot for the bbq ribs!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Jhill, I agree with you on that formation. Myers was responsible for saving us in the college season by making big plays late in the 24-23 win over penn state. Otherwise we would have seen PSU in the bcs title game.
Anyhow i went off a bit but yesa double tight end formation may help Russell since he passes well to tight ends
August 19th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Speaking of Jordans ribs!!!!
Off to wing stop!!!!!!!!!
20 pc lemon pepper!!YHEEEEEEEEEEEE
August 19th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Yeah, I’m trying to see that tailgate this season to. Just gotta figure out which games I’m going to.
Gotta set that tailgate straight with the private lable OG!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:36 am
24: here’s to further prove your point
Orton – 2972 yards, 18 TD, 12 INT, sacked 27 times, 3 fumbles (2 lost), 58.5 completion percentage, 79.6 QB Rating
Russell – 2423 yards, 13 TD, 8 INT, sacked 31 times, 11 fumbles (7 lost), 53.8 completion percentage, 77.1 QB Rating
August 19th, 2009 at 11:37 am
# OAKlifer Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am
B,
ya’ll should hit up Sam Jordans thats tha spot for the bbq ribs!!!!
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm dont know bout that. I dont fuk with the pork. We too busy passing these blunts around lol. Since I’m in the hood ill prolly just go to KC/Taco Bell off of third street lol
August 19th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Jhill – gotta give you props. Your posts make the most sense out of any on this board. You must have been a coach or something. used to be a guy here called coach on wheels who knew alot about the game as well.
Brien – Your posts make little or no sense and only go to show your true lack of knowledge regarding football and the men who play it. Your moronic nicknames for players you don’t like make you sound like a punk teenager.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Sorry OAKlifer JLH is your boy 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Only a a wimp worries about the infield dirt. Seems like a person who makes excuses. I’d love for you to try and get into a debate with me so i can wreck you as well. Instead of pulling up a post and debating me like Jhill would do, you act like a diva ass beyonce loving whore and revert to how you “feel”. You are a pitiful excuse and quit posing like you are down for the Raiders. The team for women wear red n gold
August 19th, 2009 at 11:47 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Sorry OAKlifer JLH is your boy 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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See JLH growing the fro out? I guess he gonan ahve braids like he did in college. Been funny to see him running routes with the fro poofing out the back of the helmet
August 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Brien: speaking of Beyonce, don’t you think we should send Al Davis some “highlights” of Cornell Green over the past 2 seasons in Oakland?
playing to the tune of Beyonce’s song ‘let me upgrade ya’
perhaps an animated mop dancing in the video would be appropriate as well?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Come on No More Brains or Balls……………..Im waiting for your rebuttal. Show me where I lack football knowledge. Wish you would show a post compared to the millions where I drop jewels in here
August 19th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Higgins with an afro is gonna make people think … #18 Randy who?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:52 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Brien: speaking of Beyonce, don’t you think we should send Al Davis some “highlights” of Cornell Green over the past 2 seasons in Oakland?
playing to the tune of Beyonce’s song ‘let me upgrade ya’
perhaps an animated mop dancing in the video would be appropriate as well?
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HAHAHAHAHA I think you ar Raiderpopstar now lol. J/K man. I do feel ya though. Cornell Green is awful as a pass blocker but he can run block like hell
August 19th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brian the Genital, so the “joke” you’re making is that I’m a female hooker with freshness problems? Brian, you are just priceless!
I’m wondering where you acquired your considerable comedy skills. Obviously you’ve done stand up for years and learned from the very best. There’s no doubt you have everyone on the blog in stitches right now from your hilarious little rant.
Comedy gold, you feminine little bro! Comedy gold!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:58 am
whats up beeecham?
who do you think will be the Raiders most improved player this season?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:59 am
But seriously Brian, where is your uncle Krappy today? I swear, if he overdoses on Egg McMuffins his crap filled pajamas will be on your manicured hands.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
# beeecham Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brian the Genital, so the “joke” you’re making is that I’m a female hooker with freshness problems? Brian, you are just priceless!
I’m wondering where you acquired your considerable comedy skills. Obviously you’ve done stand up for years and learned from the very best. There’s no doubt you have everyone on the blog in stitches right now from your hilarious little rant.
Comedy gold, you feminine little bro! Comedy gold!
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Yeah my comedy gold has been proven in this blog. your regurgitated 80s comedy on Kell is all you have. You arent diverse in your comedy game. Step it up Bitchem and stop being distracted by the next john who rumbles your man snatch
August 19th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
# beeecham Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 11:59 am
But seriously Brian, where is your uncle Krappy today? I swear, if he overdoses on Egg McMuffins his crap filled pajamas will be on your manicured hands.
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I dont speak for Kell. He has like 30 years on me. He is a grown man and speaks for himself. That is your guys’ deal not mine. But you are rather obsessed with Kell. He must have got real under your Oil of Olay skin
August 19th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Yo what up RR -
Obviously I’m hoping Mario elevates to a pro bowl LT who can hold down the corner for the next decade. But aside from him, I was holding out a crazy hope Bowie might turn into a legitimate corner. Probably nothing but a pipe dream, my friend.
Like what I’m hearing about Branch, it would be nice to see him become the safety we thought Huff would be. We need Satele to become a rock/beast at center if the o-line is going to have any success, so I’d be pleased if he bounced back strong.
And finally I’d like to see Brian the Genital take the runway by storm this year and really show off his new and improved femininity to the world. I’m really rooting for that sassy little dude.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
# beeecham Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Yo what up RR -
Obviously I’m hoping Mario elevates to a pro bowl LT who can hold down the corner for the next decade. But aside from him, I was holding out a crazy hope Bowie might turn into a legitimate corner. Probably nothing but a pipe dream, my friend.
Like what I’m hearing about Branch, it would be nice to see him become the safety we thought Huff would be. We need Satele to become a rock/beast at center if the o-line is going to have any success, so I’d be pleased if he bounced back strong.
And finally I’d like to see Brian the Genital take the runway by storm this year and really show off his new and improved femininity to the world. I’m really rooting for that sassy little dude.
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First time you ever attempted to post about football. Good try.
You wish you could be as masculine as I am. I always offend the beta males on this site let alone a spread eagle pillow biting poo pusher such as yourself
August 19th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Mario Henderson, Tyvon Branch, Samson Satele and (gasp) John Bowie ???
I think those first 3 have a good shot.
Most improved player I hope is JaMarcus Russell, followed by McFadden, Bush, Higgins, Holland & Stewart in that order on offense.
Most improved player I hope is Kelly, Huff, Ricky Brown, Scott, Morrison & Gunheim in that order on defense.
I understand Holland & Gunheim are longshots (like Bowie for you), but I think these cats have some real potential
August 19th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
* Last Bly quote: “They were feeding us. That buffet was good.”
* McFadden: “They got the best of us. They really got us. … You want to come out here w/a better attitude and try to do that.”
* JaMarcus: “It’s not the end of the world. If it is, show me.” Said Garcia is the one who huddled the offense after practice for scolding.
* 49ers CB Dre Bly on Raiders: “They couldn’t respond … they were just mellow. It was total domination.” No one argued the point, either.
-David White (twitter)
August 19th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
oops. new post!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Hmmm is this a preview for things to come 8/22?
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