Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, August 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News and notes from the Raiders 21-20 loss to the 49ers Saturday night at Candlestick Park:
– Kirk Morrison, out after the first series wearing a sling, said he dislocated his left elbow and will be out a couple of weeks, although it’s worth noting most players are overly optimisitc when it comes to diagnosing their own injuries.
“Someone landed on it. I got up and it was just kind of hanging,” Morrison said.
– There was a lot of conversation about the 49ers gashing the Raiders for 275 yards on 47 carries. Roiokie Glen Coffee led the way with 129 on 16 carries, Michael Robinson had 97 on 14 attempts and Kory Sheets 51 yards on 12 tries.
“I just feel like they had a play. We had an answer for it,” Morrison said. “They just kept hitting us with it. We’re going to work it out this week. We understand we’re going to see that play a lot. It’s a copycat league.”
Said defensive end Greg Ellis: “They were pulling some of the linemen around and we’re just going to look at it. I’m pretty sure the coaches are going to come up[ with a solution to make sure that doesn’t happen again. It wasn’t like they were able to run any play and get yardage on us. That one play, we just didn’t handle it well. They did what they should, they kept doing it one side to the other and they kept having success with it.”
– Robinson gave credit to offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye, and described his philosophy this way: “We’re going to go out there and we’re giong to knock ‘em in the mouth! Kick ‘em in the teeth, knock ‘em in the mouth! He’s always saying that.”
– Cable said the Raiders weren’t necessarily having issues with gaps and discipline, the mantra in exorcising the Rob Ryan years. Instead, tackling was the big issue.
“A couple of those, it was really kind of the same play,” Cable said. “A couple of times we really had guys in the hole who had to just wrap up and they did not do that.”
– Asked if he was concerned about the defensive effort, lineabacker Thomas Howard said, “I don’t lknow if you are going ot sell the farm and move, but there is definitely concern.”
– Jon Alston’s take: “It was basically one person getting cut out of the gap or something like that. These are small things that we have to work on and make ourselves better as a team.”
– Cable said he believed the Raiders left 21 points on the field in the first half, meaning that on either a three-and-out or a series where they got one first down, he saw a sure-thing touchdown. No doubt the Raiders should have scored after Ricky Brown’s intercepted a tipped pass and returned it to the 7.
Instead, the Raiders ran four plays and didn’t score, with Russell coming up empty to Louis Murphy on fourth down.
Brown returned the interception 46 yards but was brought down, much to his chagrin, by quarterback Alex Smith.
“About the only thing that bothered me was that I got caught from behind by the quarterback,” Brown said. “Once I get my legs under me, I’ll be all right.”
– JaMarcus Russell was 7-for-11 for 76 yards but only the only completion to a wide receiver was the touchdown pass to Murphy. Read in my Web exclusive column why he should have finished the first half and been the quarterback for the final 1:59.
– Pad-level was once again an issue. The Raiders, Cable believes, are simply playing too high and its costing them both running the ball and stopping the run. The Raiders ran for 69 yards on 18 carries, with Charlie Frye leading with 16 yards on two carries _ including his 14-yard scoring run.
Darren McFadden carried four times and gained five yards.
“I thought I had an all right game,” McFadden said.
Michael Bush had 15 yards on three carries and starts next week against New Orleans.
“I thought we were very high,” Cable said. “I didn’t think we fit our helmets right in the offensive line.”
– Murphy had two catches for 34 yards, including the 24-yard touchdown reception from Russell on third-and-21 against Nate Clements, one of his tormentors during the four practices in Napa.
“It was just a good call against the coverage that they were playing,” Murphy said. “It just so happened that he bit up on the coverage and left me open in the end zone.”
– Jeff Garcia, Charlie Frye and Bruce Gradkowski each had an interception to go along with Nick Miller’s lost fumble.
“I think we showed some good things and there were some things we need to work on, like the turnovers,” Zach Miller said. “Overall, we just want to have a legit passing game.”
– Terdell Sands could be playing for a roster spot. Undrafted rookie free agent Desmond Bryant played before Sands and has caught Cable’s attention.
“He has consistently gotten better each day over the last two weeks and showed some flash in the Dallas game so we just felt like we’ve just got to continue to push that along,” Cable said. “As long as he can keep delivering it every day like he has, let’s find out how much he’s got.”
– The 49ers’ drive consuming 6:46 of the clock following the Oakland touchdown relegated Garcia to a mere 1:59 of playing time. He guided the Raiders deep into 49ers territory before throwing late and behind Johnnie Lee Higgins, with Allen Rossum getting the interception.
“We had hoped things would work out would be that I’d get about half of the second quarter,” Garcia said. “But, unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way and I was left with about two minutes to go in the half and that’s just how it is.
“There wasn’t really any time to get your feet wet and just have to jump right in an attack. And I love playing the 2-minute situation. I feel like that’s something that I have been able to do successfully throughout my career and we were doing some good things. It just didn’t have the ending that we would have liked at the end of that half but there were some good things that we can take out of it.”
– The Raiders wore a No. 95 on the back of their helmets in memory of linebacker Marquis Cooper, who died at sea after a tragic fishing accident off the coast of Florida.
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August 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Bring on the Aints
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Like i was saying DHB, and Murphy start against SD if Walker isnt up to par….
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I hope your right Lefty. I see the potential in our offense, but I have zero confidence in stopping the run on that side. It is pretty obvious, so lets see how it gets addressed.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
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August 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Raider O, I told you Clements can be had, I like him he is really smart but if you attack him with great talent he can be had. These were rookies and part timers wait until DHB, Murphy and JLH get it really going, it’s scary. Dezmnd Bryant is starting to look like a keeper. Also Hiram Eugene gets ripped in here a lot but the kid saved a couple of TD’s on the ground.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Al’s going to seriously have to watch the waiver wire and see what d-linemen become available. The run defense is clearly the biggest weakness.
I love Nate Clements’ “they can’t compete” BS from the other day. I suppose the 4th string offense beating our 4th stringers helped ole Nate save some face today. Nate Clements = most overpaid player in football. I hope he gets cut.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
what a rather bleh game.
a game of more questions than answers.
not exactly confidence building.
sigh, it is after all though, just pre-season.
sloppy nevertheless.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Jhill I gaurantee you right now if they can get Shaughnessey healthy he will solidify that edge. As I watch Dez I really like this kid……….a lot. He’s very square and has a good base and is a very good athlete…………How in hell did this kid go undrafted??? He’s got as much or more potential than T Kelly.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
DEZ IS THE MAN.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
boot garcia keep FRYE
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 pm
More positives than negatives can be taken from this game HATERS.
This solid showing from Russell should shut his groupie haters up (at least this week)
JAMARCUS RUSSELL and the rest of our passing offense shredded the Niners pass D and the OLINE dominated their D Line. Coach Cable made a smart move and decided not to play DMC and Bush heavily in this game when their was no need to. We know what they can do. As I predicted, Murphy did fine taking over Chaz routes and Myers looks like he is a steal of a 6th rounder and it looks like the Raiders have two dangerous pass catching TE’s in Miller and Myers who are good blockers along with Stewart and Strong.
The negative is the D-Line of course. I would hope that coach cable and dc marshall decided not to show everything on defense today because it sure looked like they weren’t bringing it or mixing it up or run blitzing.
I have come to the pretty damn obvious conclusion that Boschetti should not replace Kelly on the D-Line at DT and that Kelly should be moved to RDE as the starting front with Ellis at LDE. Richardson should also see time at RDE and Scott needs to remain the situational pass rushing LDE. This lineup is the only way the D-Line will be stronger against the run.
After watching I also saw that the D-Linemen (especially the d tackles) stop moving their legs forward and are far to anxious to stop when they are engaged. They need to freakin keep MOVING THEIR LEGS FORWARD AND KEEP DRIVING! Our LB’s need to shoot the open gaps as well and fill the freakin void!
Surprised we didn’t see more holding penalties called against the whiners today on their running plays. Hmmmmm……another interesting development today….as always….nice job refs by not calling any holding penalty calls against the whiners offensive line. What a joke that was…
Sheesh….
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Oh! How did Mr Myers last until the 6th rnd this kid is looking like a bigger steal than Murphy. What a player!! GM’s should be taken out and flogged for letting Louis Murphy last until the 4th rnd. He’s better than most guy’s that got drafted in the 1st rnd. I mean that, it makes the draft look like a joke! Not just Chaz but Murphy in back to back years and they draft others not nearly as good much higher. If you look at the size and speed ratio’s of those two WR’s and look at how they come in and play well. It doesn’t speak well of the draft.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:58 pm
49ers=no DECENT QB
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 pm
did SANDS EVEN PLAY. didnt notice thats for sure. DEZ NEEDS to take his spot.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pm
priesttj i heard u on the radio 2nite with george. do u think shauhnessey will eventually replace scott? i felt trevor was atleast a year away from being an every down lineman. he was actually a good pass rusher at wisconsin before he got hurt alot. i think he has more pass rush potential than richardson. turdell should be playin for a job cuz we need some new blood in there. sometimes its not the scheme its the players.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
REPLACE GREEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:08 pm
i think what happens is alot of the draft experst fall into the same height weight speed trap they blame al davis for supposedely doing. they hand pick a number of players that fit their idea of a high round pick and forget that alot of other guys can play just as good. myers and murphy are complete steals and when we get dhb going the offense can take off.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:11 pm
If I’m the Raiders I give Dez a long lookat DE, I know it’s somewhat awkward but the Kid obviously can play DE/DT why not give him some snaps at DE in the base at LE and move Ellis to RDE just give it a look see. On obvious passing downs you can always go to Scott at RDE and Shaughnessey for depth.
If what I’m looking at now is really who this kid is and he’s definitely going to get better. I think you owe it to the team to try this kid in the base defense. Bryant, Warren, Kelly and Ellis left to right. Scott can’t do it……………period.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Miller and Meyers. What a pair of TE’s to draw to. Even though we lost the game, there were some bright spots. For the most part, the O-line seemed to provide some decent protection. Now let’s see how they are at run blocking. I see JFargas as being traded for some picks in next years’ draft. McFadden, Bush & Rankin as the staring RB trio. OO will be the blocking back. The offense will come together this year. Now, all we need is some run defense and we’ll have something to feel good about.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Amen Armond!! they’re complete steals, Myers and Murphy.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 pm
russell miller henderson higgins bush oneal- 07
dmc schilenz-08
dhb murphy myers-09
thats 11 guys on offense in the last 3 drafts that can make a huge impact.not to mention some fringe guys like holland and ufa’s like reece miller rankin who have outside shot to make the roster. i had high hopes for darrell strong there is no way hes making it over meyers. stewart has made some plays 2. som much for not knowing how to draft.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Sorry…I meant Boschetti should replace Kelly at one of the DT positions and Kelly should be moved back to his orIginal position at RDE.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 pm
BHP,
lol, I can’t argue when you are right. He could be had, especially if you have great speed.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
More positives than negatives can be taken from this game HATERS.
This solid showing from Russell should shut his groupie haters up (at least this week)
JAMARCUS RUSSELL and the rest of our passing offense shredded the Niners pass D and the OLINE dominated their D Line. Coach Cable made a smart move and decided not to play DMC and Bush heavily in this game when their was no need to. We know what they can do. As I predicted, Murphy did fine taking over for Chaz and running his routes and Myers looks like he is a steal of a 6th rounder and it looks like the Raiders have two dangerous pass catching TE’s in Miller and Myers who are good blockers along with Stewart and Strong.
The negative is the D-Line of course. I would hope that Coach Cable and DC Marshall decided not to show everything on defense today because it sure looked like they weren’t bringing it or mixing it up or run blitzing.
I have come to the pretty damn obvious conclusion that Boschetti should replace Kelly on the D-Line at DT and that Kelly should be moved to RDE in the starting front with Ellis at LDE. Richardson should also see time at RDE and Scott needs to remain the situational pass rushing LDE. This lineup is the only way the D-Line will be stronger against the run IMO…unless zone run and pass blitzes are mixed in along with stunts from the D-Line.
After watching I also saw that the D-Linemen (especially the d tackles) stop moving their legs forward and are far to anxious to stop when they are engaged. They need to freakin keep MOVING THEIR LEGS FORWARD AND KEEP DRIVING! Our LB’s need to shoot the open gaps as well and fill the freakin void!
Surprised we didn’t see more holding penalties called against the whiners today on their running plays. Hmmmmm……another interesting development today….as always….nice job refs by not calling any holding penalty calls against the whiners offensive line. What a joke that was…
Sheesh….
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 pm
The 07 draft is looking great.
It must have been That other GM we hired for just for the draft, or maybe it was The Kuttin who drafted all those players!!!! lol
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 pm
my concern is short yardage. we dont blow people off the ball enough like in 07. people say dmc cant run between the tackles but he can. he is so far ahead of reggie bush as a rusher its a shame. that oline doesnt blow u away tho.i understand cut blocking and having good technique but sometimes u need to just kick your guys ass.we get penalized 2 much inside the redzone. we r a very young offense so we cant afford those type of penalties like veteran team. someting id like to see is some te screens with miller. he much more athletic than people gave him credit for when he came out.he was just as good as todd heap was coming out of asu.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Priest,you are doing exactly what you and i complain about others doing.you are painting a broad picture after one outing.you are giving Bryant way too much love after a couple of practice games.sure he looks like a keeper,but he sure didn’t set the world on fire tonight.some good,some bad.but he does show promise.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Dez should definitely get more reps on the 1st team D-Line rotation and some looks at RDE.
It wouldn’t hurt thats’ for sure…
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 pm
yeah kuttin wanted to take credit for it but hanson wouldnt let him.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 pm
HOPE NICK MILLLER GETS A ROSTER SPOT!
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 pm
DK,
That’s what I’m talking about. Try him at DT and Base End, and let’s see what he can do.
It can’t hurt, or it can’t be worse than today!!
Kuttin!! I felt calling him Kitten was an insults to cats!!
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Nick Miller muffed up tonight….lets hop he steps it up the next 2 games and secures a roster spot.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
DK07, Kelly is too big and doesn’t have the quickness and burst you need at that position. You really want someone 260-270 no more because you want him have great get-off and explosion off the edge to make the QB throw early or get the sack. Kelly simply cannot do that. But Ellis can and so can Scott. If you switch Ellis to RDE and try Bryant who has uncanny quickness for a man his size. You give yourself a stiffer edge and yet great pass rush ability. Now that is the base but on passing downs you can bring in the speed rushers ie; Scott, Gunheim and Matt.
That’s why I say Dez at LE for that versatility and back him up with Richardson. Both can be kicked inside if you want maximum on 3rd and very long.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
LMAO @ 29
I want to hear your opinion about Hanson/ Cable issue, this should be interesting. lol
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
nice call Armond.everyone blames the Rb but doesn’t seem to notice our O-Line never gets any push in short yardage situations.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 pm
i cant believe dwayne bowe is in haleys doghouse, croyle is better than cassell now and denver is self destructing with marshalls bs. so what if our coach may catch a case we use to this stuff. that just leaves sd for the taking. what a year this going to be
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 pm
BHP,
I AGREE 100% with post 33.
EXACTLY!!
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Anyone think Slade Norris sneaks into the starting SLB spot?
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Lefty12, I can’t help it what I’m seeing if he can do this, then You start to think hey! I wonder if we try this and that with him. Left just look at the guy’s COD and agility and the strides he made in ONE week.
I can’t help it……..I’m an old draftnik it’s in my blood.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Chris-possibly.also Matt S.might sneak into the RDE spot.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pm
BHP,
But if we try that and we still can’t slow down the run, then you have to agree we need new DTs. Correct?
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
All I know is I was calling for the return of Grady Jackson before Detroit signed him.
Anyone think a whale in the middle might help some of this Run D woes?
Nobody probably remembers him, but during the Shell years (i.e. year) there was an OT by the name of Chad Slaughter. Suspect footwork and trouble with false starts. But the dude could push people around like nobody’s business. I always thought he could be a diamond in the rough at DT. That’s the kind of presence we need in there. Kick TK out to DE, and on passing downs put TK back at DT and bring Trevor Scott on as a situational pass rushing DE.
Any thoughts?
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Priest-so let him settle in as Sands replacement,eventually maybe Warrens.i get tired of moving guys around.let him perfect DT and bring Matt along at DE.after all Matt is around 270 and DE is his position and he would have been drafted much higher if not for injuries.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Chris in NY, that’s a very astute observation because I was thinking the exact same thing. His size and athleticism is impressive and he’s more physical than I thought. Also he is a very underrated edge rusher. Like a poor man’s Brian Cushing.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
yeah lefty they seem to forget that the oline has to spring the rbs loose before they can do damage. thats what made barry sanders so special. but think how good his numbers would be if his line didnt cause so many loss of yard runs. haha raider o i figured it was a reason u said kutten. i truly believe hanson would like to become future coach of the raiders and he’ll go thru any lengths to get that job. he feels too secure in his own skin for me. kutten may be a biotch but this guy has now got on cables nerves. its no coinkidink that cable wanted no part of him most likely after seeing that kutten stuff. hanson stepped on some toes that got him knocked the fook out and im all for it. i dont care if cable did break his jaw thats how some people have to learn their place. im backing cable
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Lefty12, I think he plays a different position than Sands, He’s a 3tech who can also play the 5. He’s a natural.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
he is an undrafted FA.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 pm
didn’t he also at times get pushed around pretty good today?
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
OK, FINE!! I’ll leave it go……..a guy can’t have any fun anymore. lol
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 pm
however the run gets fixed the better. teams arent gonna gives us the opportunity to rush the passer doin this crap. i was really looking forward to seeing more offensive plays but that d couldnt get off the field.anyone who says offense and defense doesnt go hand and hand are foolish. this young offense needs as many reps as possible and the only way they do this is if the defense stops teams and forces more to’s. leaving that offense on the sideline was disgusting
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
sorry.last week i thought Norris looked great.this week not so.lets give it time and see what happens and hope your appraisal is correct.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Good night Nation.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Yeah he did, get handled a couple of times but that’s to be expected. Other times he was disengaging to follow the ball. If you really study this kid in these two games it’s remarkable it really is.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
the biased sf media will act like we got dominated but we know the truth. they played as reasonably well as they could while we underperformed and only lost by 1 cuz we decided to go for 2 and not the tie. it also didnt help that cable took the penalty instead of the ball. if thats the regular season would u rather have them rekick or take the ball?
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
Most of what we saw was just bad ball recognition. These guy’s weren’t reacting quickly enough. That allows blocks to get into you. They were also wired to blockers much more than I would’ve thought.
Truth be told the 49ers just kicked our ass……….period
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
if any whiner fan has the nerve to gloat just say 14-3 after 3 qtrs.if they continue it proves they know little about football.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 am
# priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
DK07, Kelly is too big and doesn’t have the quickness and burst you need at that position. You really want someone 260-270 no more because you want him have great get-off and explosion off the edge to make the QB throw early or get the sack. Kelly simply cannot do that. But Ellis can and so can Scott. If you switch Ellis to RDE and try Bryant who has uncanny quickness for a man his size. You give yourself a stiffer edge and yet great pass rush ability. Now that is the base but on passing downs you can bring in the speed rushers ie; Scott, Gunheim and Matt.
That’s why I say Dez at LE for that versatility and back him up with Richardson. Both can be kicked inside if you want maximum on 3rd and very long.
^^^^^^^Kelly is like 290 right? Didn’t he play mostly DE 2-3 years ago before they decided to move to full time UT when Sapp left?
I would like to see Dez get som reps at RDE, I don’t if Ellis can handle the RDE spot.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 am
i don’t see it that way Priest.i could actually care less how many yds a team gets as long as they can’t score.the fact is even with all their rushing yardage they couldn’t push it into the end zone and only had 3 points after 3 qtrs.-can anyone say bend but don’t break?that’s how i see our Def.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:08 am
12.
Which is why I think we should have taken B.J. Raji at 7. is looking pretty good right about now.
I’ll back off the Ricky Dudley comparisons on DHB, since he is a rookie and tonight wasn’t his fault.
But I’ve been preaching up Murphy for some time, knowing Florida really didn’t have the system to highlight his style of play, more suited to the pro game.
It’s nice to say we’re deep at wide out when last year it stood out among all the other problems. I’ll stop repeating myself after this, but I want to say one more time. When all is said and done Murphy will have a better career than DHB, Harvin, Craptree. Dude just gets the game on this level. I really think Javon is going to make us all feel a lot better next week.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 am
The WHINERS should be worrying about their QB situation.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 am
Lefty12, I hate getting ran on like that, I hate it. I know we are the better team,that’s not my point, I’ve been saying all night we should’ve dominated them. They never stopped us but when the Raiders get ran on like that. It pisses me off. They ran the same play over and over again and we couldn’t stop it.
I was shocked!!
First team on first team I think we win 7 out of ten times. But I can’t stomach watching a team any team just run on us especially the 49ers.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 am
I WISH WE PLAYED THEM IN THE REGULAR SEASON MORE OFTEN.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:18 am
As far as them winning the game that doesn’t really bother me, Nick Miller gave them the game ….fumble.
But stopping the run is paramount to getting better. Those points we left off the board didn’t help either.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:20 am
i hear you Priest.let’s just hope we get it straightened out in the next couple of weeks.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:21 am
do the saint have anybody at DB who can cover our recievers
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
javon will help us out but dhb really hasnt been featured yet.we may get somebody better than raji next year. murphy has a swagger that this team needs. i really like those gators, especially spikes. id love to have spikes next year.this needs some attitude on defense for sure.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
DK07, Kelly is more like 310-20 and yes he did play some DE but when he was 295. Right now he is just not the type of player you want at that position. You want a lot more quickness and explosion.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 am
THAT GUY IS SCARY!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 am
on another note,it looks as though we’ll get a good idea if Browm can outperform Kirk in the next few weeks.Kirk is a good hometown boy,but this injury could mean the end in Oaktown for him,at least as far as being a starter goes.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:25 am
Adios guy’s!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:25 am
Armond
Nice posts the last few, I can agree with what you are saying.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:27 am
they have malcom jenkins and that one dude from the colts that got torched on that monday night game. i think his name is jason david. they also have chip vaughn and darren sharper at safety. may not be as easy as we think but i think we’ll be fine.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 am
The key to this defense will be Kelly at DT and Mitchell at SS or FS. I’m not just talking about stopping the run but bringing impact plays t this defense.
Kelly looks ready and we need to see if Mitchell is as advertised.
Adios!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 am
Shane didn,t punt one ball in the game thats why we lost.LOL
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 am
think i’ll watch the game again-nite all!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 am
i don’t see it that way Priest.i could actually care less how many yds a team gets as long as they can’t score.the fact is even with all their rushing yardage they couldn’t push it into the end zone and only had 3 points after 3 qtrs.-can anyone say bend but don’t break?that’s how i see our Def.
^^^^^^^Exactly….but I hope DC Marshall didn’t show everything tonight. I hope!
Once again the D-Line as a whole need to be more aggressive, more explosive off the ball and keep driving forward and stay lower. When they are engaged, they seem to stop moving, they just get stood up and stand still and react to slowly to close the gap and hit the ball carrier.
They need to keep working on that!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 am
Armond
I heard that the Saints cut Jason David recently. Ever since that MNF game his nickname has been “Toast”…
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 am
start shooting bullets at their feet and they will start moving and shedding blocks.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 am
# priesttj Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
DK07, Kelly is more like 310-20 and yes he did play some DE but when he was 295. Right now he is just not the type of player you want at that position. You want a lot more quickness and explosion.
^^^^^^Putting bigger guys up front on 1st down at least shows offenses that they can’t just run all over us.
Kelly would do well as a 1st down RDE IMO.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
dogg thats what i do mofos just got to pay attention.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
How can you honestly say we shredded their pass defense? really? JR completed 1 pass to a wr.. Yes he looked ok but … really?
C’mon man.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 am
Fargas made two nice catches out of the backfield,suprisingly
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 am
Armond
Maybe I was a little uptight earlier, I apologize if I was a dick. I can be somewhat abrasive at times, although I’m usually a pretty positive guy. Probably has something to do with losing to the 9ers, even a meaningless pre-season game.
I got laid and now my attitude may be a tad bit better
No hard feelings man.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 am
he shouldve been cut last year but jamarcus made him look good being so inaccurate that day. all these dbs getting cut i hope we dont pick him. i could see us letting go of a few guys soon. our backup dbs better step it up.we lucked out with a few drops by the whiners wideouts. routt was getting beatt 2 much and miller is always giving up plays. i thought routt would get off to a better start. branch laid a few good pops. i like how every tackle that dude makes seems to be hard. even his basic tackles have a certain thump to it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 am
# armond Says:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
the biased sf media will act like we got dominated but we know the truth. they played as reasonably well as they could while we underperformed and only lost by 1 cuz we decided to go for 2 and not the tie. it also didnt help that cable took the penalty instead of the ball. if thats the regular season would u rather have them rekick or take the ball?
^^^^^^^^The biased local pro Whiner media will LIE and say the Whiners dominated the Raiders, but I don’t think so.
The Whiners have more problems than the Raiders from what it looks like. No consistent QB, no good passing game….questionable run defense and bad pass defense. Their WR corp is weak as well. and they don’t have great team speed.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 am
# No More Infield or Trolls Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
How can you honestly say we shredded their pass defense? really? JR completed 1 pass to a wr.. Yes he looked ok but … really?
C’mon man.
^^^^^^^Jamarcus looks great today actually and if it were a whole game his stats would have looked better…..especially if DMC and Bush played the whole game.
If the Niners running game looked good against us….then our passing game sure as hell looked good against their weak pass rush and pass defense.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 am
safties played well didn’t get beat deep maybe we dont need just yet
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 am
MITCHELL JUST YET.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 am
Russell looked far better than that REAL BUST Alex Smith by the way!! LOL
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:47 am
dude im always cool. people talk alot of shit about jeezy up in here it makes those who offer proper criticism to look like haters. no problema, like many on here i dont back down either. however the booty do put u in a better mood every time but yeah losin to them biotches is frustrating. especially when we shouldve whipped that ass by 20 in the first half. now we gone hear that bs all week long they did somethin but we know the deal. but lines did tap that ass 2nite. watch again and see how we got no push in the run game.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:48 am
Bush had 3 attempts for 12 yards if he had gotten the ball some more he would have easily passed the 100 yard mark.NO DOUBT
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 am
Can’t wait to hear the lame idiotic biased spin tomorrow by the Jerry and his lame buddies (Kawakami and Gay) in the media on how the Whiners allegedly “dominated” the Raiders.
Yeah sure whatever….
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 am
dknight u right, but u know them biotches will say so. we werent click that sharply and was still up 14-3 despite all that rushing. cable helped give the game away twice going for 2 and taking the penalty. smith was a joke and hill wasnt great either. jruss couldve done a couple of things better to light them up. he was okay but i liked him better last week for some reason.maybe cuz i respect the cowboys more. hell i was hopin he pass for 2 3 tds and 150-200 yards. i know thats greedy but i have know respect for whiners.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:53 am
WHINERS on friggin retarded. IF WE RAN THE BALL LIKE WE KNOW WE CAN there offense would have been as horrific as their defense was
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 am
thats what made me mad about the oline. they got dominated on run plays. they made me sick, as a matter of fact i want a do over. play them mofos again!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:59 am
Imagine how many points we would have scored if DMC and Bush were heavily involved!
Plus Cable went for a two point conversion for practice instead of kicking a game tying extra point and Miller muffed a punt.
The Raiders would have won this practice game without any problem. The Whiners have more problems as a team than the Raiders do!
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 am
EXACTLY
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:02 am
HANDJOBSON IS A WUSS WHO CAN’T GET A CLUE
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:04 am
handjobson hahaha
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:06 am
He thinks giving guys handjobs is going to make him a better coach. WHAT AN IDIOT!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:10 am
HE MUST HAVE LOW SELF ESTEEM.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 am
Yes, there are many bright spots, especially with our starters. But, we really such when it comes to stopping the run. We were like butter, easy to slice through and I’m talking about gaping holes.
I’m sure LT of the dischargers was “coming all over himself” as he watched the game. Mentally, LT is thinking, two games against us = 200 yards per game for a total of 400 yards. If he can just get 50 yards per game, in the other 14 games, that’s an easy 1100 yards for the year…at minimum.
LT should be the leading rusher for the whole league after week one. Hope I’m wrong, hope I have to eat my words but I wouldn’t bet against it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 am
Looks like most, if not all, of you guys have checked in for the nite. Final note, though it’s negative. Sorry, but stats are stats.
Last year we ranked 31th against the run. We gave up (159.7 yards per game). 2008 season. Tonight we gave up 275 yards for an average of 5.9 yards per carry. You can down play it in many ways, flip it, cut it, mix it, etc, but after all is said an done, we SUCK against the run.
BUTTER…BUTTER…BUTTER…BUTTER…BUTTER…
LT is chopping at the bits, counting the days until the opener, knowing he gets a big jump against the other runners in the league for most yards. Hope I’m wrong, but?
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:47 am
If our run D Can’t stop LT then we for damn sure better run the ball down their throats and control the clock
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:54 am
DAMN FEDS…
Ya, you’re right on. We’re going to have to score first and then keep scoring. Maybe they’ll switch to passing to catch up and we then we have a chance of winning some games. Davis is going to have to change his draft thinking and we’re going to have to go after linemen on both sides of the ball…big time.
August 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 am
CORNELL GREEN is really starting to piss me off.EVERY TIME in the redzone he holds somebody or jumps offside.
August 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 am
Can’t wait to get KHALIF BARNES back.
August 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 am
HOW LONG IS KHALIIF BARNES OUT. NEED HIM TO COME BACK SOON
August 23rd, 2009 at 2:15 am
I HOPE brody croyle edges out cassel.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:18 am
Garcia/Gradkowski/Russell. End of story. We really might have a chance. Goodnight.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:36 am
first of all, Maddenraider.. STFU.. you are not a real fan.
we did not play to win the game.. (herm edwards)
we played to practice. had we went for the early field goal and the extra point, that in itself could have won the game.
but perhaps this is all window dressing. not showing our cards until game day… Why show off our royal flush when we can let them underestimate… and then… POW!!!! hit em by surprise.. cold clock the chargers… like Cable did hanson. and when game time comes, the actual schemes will make stopping the run a jog in the park.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 am
of course… we can always release the turtle sands and pick a DT on the waiver wire
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 am
It may be only me, but I AM GLAD that the Raiders run defense got exposed. Had the Niners chosen to pass all night, the Raiders might have left the building thinking they were better than what they were.
Now they have time to work on the personnel issues and schemes before the season starts.
New Orleans ran the ball well against Houston last night and will be another test for this defensive unit.
I hope to see progress next week. Game will be live on NFLNetwork.
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:33 am
we’ll be starting the season without:
Morrison
Mitchell
Ekajuiba
Schillens
Barnes
i still say we beat the Chargers…
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:38 am
the biggest surprise for me last night was:
not that we got ran on the way we did…
not that Russell did not throw an interception…
not that Garcia did not do well…
not that Fargas rushed twice for 3 yards…
not that we lost…
the biggest surprise was:
McFadden getting 5 yards on 4 carries… now that was a surprise…
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 am
On the Beach,
You’re right. There is still a serious problem with run defense. Call it what it is. It’s unreasonable to believe that this will be fixed by Week 1 with the current personnel.
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 am
Good morning Nation!!! Here we go:
Positives:
-Pass protection was great, especially the first unit with Russell. He had all the time in the world. Gallery will push for a Pro Bowl this year.
-Lou Murphy. Good call by Jerry Mac early in camp, saying he is much more “polished” than DHB
-Tommy Kelly. Run D was gashed consistanly, except it seemed when he made a play. Good instincts to bat down 4th down pass. Put some better talent around him on the line and he will improve even more.
-Jamarcus Russell’s stats. They look a lot better than how he really looked. No reason to throw off his back foot on the 4th down incompletion following Brown pick. Wide right on first 3rd down pass to DHB, and the stumbling sack he gave up, was downright blooperish.
-Desmond Bryant. Can we just get rid of Sands already? Bryant is very active, and a Harvard kid.
Negatives:
-Run D obviously. Too many runs where RB are going untouched throught the first two levels of D. LB and DE nowhere to be found on a lot of plays.
-DHB. May not have been his fault on the out pattern, but he has ZERO rythym with Russell right now and looks lost out there, especially compared to Lou
-ByeBye Nick Miller. Fumble likely cost him a roster spot.
-Gerard Warren. Can’t really remember him anywhere but a few yards behind the LOS.
-Tom Cable for not letting Jamarcus get the 2 minute drill. Didn’t make any sense at the time, and makes even less sense when thinking about it this morning.
Anyone else here the Atkinson sideline interview late in the game when he said he asked Marshall what the “plan” was tonight on D, and he said Marshall told him “he didn’t have one”. I couldn’t stop laughing.
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 am
This is just practice, fellas. Even so, we left 21 points on the field — if that “done” 9ers QB doesn’t catch Ricky Brown, we’re not even having this discussion.
Yes, the run defense looked below average; yes, we had two many turnovers; but we only had 7 penalties (although a couple were costly ones). DMac didn’t get a lot of touches, but he’ll get his, trust me! Overall, it was a sub-par performance. Now the Queens across the Bay came whoop and holler about the fact that they’re ready to be World Champions — Singletary can pull down his pants and do the “‘Find The Gold’ Shuffle!”
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 am
If Michael Bush doesn’t start against San Diego, this is the dumbest team in America.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 am
Morrison, IMO, will be out week 1 and maybe longer than Schillens. The transition of him out of the starting MLB spot has begun.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:09 am
We seem to have five interchangeable parts at DT
Warren, Kelly, Boschetti, Joseph and Bryant(sorry Terdell). With a full rotation they can wear out an offensive line, making the latter stages of the game favor us. Its time for the defensive coaches to face their fear of change and utilize everything in their arsenal.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
Let me lay it down like this:
1. SF did not dominate us – Far from that – Simply consider the venue. Its PRE-season. Teams don’t really game each other, but only run plays to work on their craft and find their weaknesses. Yet SF ran the same play over and over which likely accounted for the majority of their yards. Now, please tell me how does running this same play because you saw OUR weakness help YOUR team beyond some cool confidence points? Yet in doing that you found out NOTHING about the QBs. They helped the Raiders more than they helped themselves. They may have won the battle but loss the war! – most pertinent analogy I can give.
2. GARCIA really does Not look like a good fit for this offense. He’s not built for it. He is not much of a deep threat – which renders the DHB pick virtually worthless. It also places more pressure on everyone else because DHB prob won’t be doubled as much. He’s way too hesitant with the ball. He moves around in the pocket (and goes outside of it) way to much which means the Oline will have to learn how to block exclusively for HIM. For the other QBs, the Oline blocks pretty much the same as they do for Russell. As I was watching Garcia I couldn’t help but think to myself “what the hell is this guy doing …stop with the happy feet and PASS THE DAMN BALL”. No other QB on the roster does this with the same WRs to boot. So I know its just him.
3. TSCOTT is the weak link on the Dline (on obvious rushing downs). I was harping on this last week; but I think everyone sees this now. Thanks SF! (You see what I mean by #1 above?). For a coach, and considering the team in general, you just can’t be too radical here and move around your entire Dline this close to the reg season. These guys have be practicing all camp in those positions. You don’t show panic here. You find one person and give that person a shot. The obvious is JRich. You can go with MattS although I have not been as impressed as others. I don’t think he’s quite ready. Or maybe this guy Bryant that Priest was raving about. The bottom line is, you fix RDE and you fix a lot. No need to panic. You can only be as strong as your weakest link.
4. DHB – Get him the damn ball! Need I say more?
5. Which brings me to Russell – FIND A WAY TO GET DHB THE BALL!
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 am
Terp,
Why dont you make a # 6 on your list.
#6- DHB- get open so you can get the ball!
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:28 am
DHB does not look comfortable at all, and is not real fluid getting in and out of his routes.
Compare that to the beautiful route that Murphy ran on the Garcia completion to him. Smooth in and out of the break, came back to the ball and caught it will all hands, away from his body. Than the presence to make a little move in tight space to pick up the first down and get out of bounds. Absolutely did not look like a rookie.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:29 am
JaMarcus Russell doesn’t turn the ball over. I also think if Chaz was out there, then those 3rd downs get converted.
Murphy is looking pretty good and Zach Miller is steady as always.
Offense will get it sorted out. Especially with DMAC and Bush out there full-time.
The defense is probably going to struggle.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 am
Thats because Murphy is a football player and DHB isnt.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 am
RaiderRon the dude was getting open. 1st pass Russell threw he was open – very bad pass. 2nd pass attempt to DHB by Russell was a poor one as well. Russell was very shaky to start that game.
Vs Dallas, DHB had the corner beat and the safety but had to slow up to Russell’s pass.
Its just amazing how much this kid is being doubled to be a rookie and have only caught 1 pass all pre-season. But because he’s being doubled its making everyone else look better.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 am
Its funny how you guys just keep telling yourself its gonna be DMC and Bush exclusively. You figure if you keep saying it over and over it will happen. If you hope JUUUUUUUSSSSSST enough all your dreams will come true. Then smack! Reality hits and you see how it actually is. Fargas and DMC with a little Bush sprinkled in for good measure. Awwwwwwww….. poor lil fellas. Your dreams are dashed.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 am
Russell has thrown 4 passes to DHB so far this preseason, and DHB hasn’t even got his hands on one of them, with the closest one being the sideline pass in Dallas. ZERO rythym between the two.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:35 am
The run defense has shown us nothing so far. They’ve got three weeks to put something together.
I don’t know what the issues are. Is it the DTs, DEs or LBs….but I am hearing the same ol sh&( from last year. Its about talent and that talent better step it up.
Does anyone here realize that the schedule this year is full of teams with big o-lines and good running backs.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 am
I don’t see how you can say that Vegas. Even the coaches say he runs great routes.
No offense, but you guys are all on Murphy’s jock because he caught a WIDE OPEN touchdown? Did you all think to ask what contributed to him getting so wide open? As I remember watching the sky cam coverage floated to DHB and Clements f’d up. That’s how he and/or JLH were being singled.
Murphy is good but I’m tellin you that DHB will be better. He just has much more upside than Murphy.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 am
Watching the game now …
That first out to DHB was probably his fault. Russell threw the ball before DHB broke and it was to a spot 2 yds past the first down marker. DHB ran a 15 yd out pattern against zone coverage.
That’ll easily be corrected.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 am
Whats amazing is how your judgement is clouded. DHB was not even close to being open in the Dallas game on either of those passes. He was not double teamed. Just because a safety is over the top does not mean its a double team. The kid may be fast in shorts and a t-shirt but he sure as hell dont play that fast. He looks really mechanical out there and is being WAY outplayed by Murphy.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 am
Ending up in the Browns’ 3-4 is a huge change for Corey Williams
by Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
Thursday August 20, 2009, 10:04 PM
Defensive lineman Corey Williiams registered 57 tackles and one half sack while playing with an injured shoulder.
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And now the questions hang: Is Williams a square peg being pushed into a round hole? Can he adjust his game and be the impact player he was in Green Bay in the passive 3-4 system played here?
He agrees it’s the biggest challenge he’s faced in his football career.
“Most definitely,” Williams said. “Coming from a 4-3 where I’m used to lining up and getting off the ball to kind of playing in a squared-up stance, it’s a big difference for me.”
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Williams was credited with 57 tackles, more than any lineman but Rogers. But the Browns’ ranking defending the run actually fell one notch, to 28th, from the previous year. It indicated that Williams was not exactly warming to the 3-4.
Williams had surgery after the season to fix the shoulder. He said he’s determined to prove he can figure this thing out, subjugate his natural instincts to rush the passer and adapt to the read-and-react style of the 3-4.
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As the second preseason game approaches, Williams is playing right end on the second team. In March, he received a $6 million roster bonus owed from the new contract.
Mangini said that linemen making the switch from a one-gap scheme to the two-gap passive system face a mental and physical transition. He cited names of players he’s coached in the past who’ve done it successfully.
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There is some sentiment in the league, though, that if a 4-3 team desirous of a penetrating tackle came calling, the Browns would listen.
Asked if he longs to play again in a 4-3, Williams said, “Wow. I would love it, but I’m in a 3-4 now, so that’s what I’m focusing on.”
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Mr Davis…
this guy already got his roster bonus…
let’s check out the balance of his contract…
if it looks good…
let’s liberate him and put him into our defense…
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 am
Terrapin,
Just watch him coming in and out of his routes. Looks like he is thinking too much, and the DB’s are breaking on his routes.
You can’t listen to “coachspeak” too much. What are the going to say, he looks shaky out there?
Murphy is making plays out there and DHB isn’t, you can’t ignore that. You are right DHB may turn out to be the better NFL WR when all is said and done, but right now, Murphy is ahead by a few lenghts.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
Pete,
Im sure “Mr Davis” is reading your post and will immediately holla at the Browns to bring the kid over. ALL because you posted an article and asked him to. LOL!!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 am
ANYONE who says DHB looks good right now is 100% lying to themselves.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 am
SnB,
Our only hope is either Kelly or Howard making a play, or a holding call. Other than that it is a 5 to 20 yard run, just about every play. Very scary.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 am
RaiderRon Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
Pete,
Im sure “Mr Davis” is reading your post and will immediately holla at the Browns to bring the kid over. ALL because you posted an article and asked him to. LOL!!!!
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wow… ya really think so ???
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 am
And thats the problem as I see it. Its gonna be much harder on DHB if these games are any indication. All the fans see is who’s catching the ball and they don’t see DHB doing that yet. Neither do I. But I know thats not the end all and be all of the story.
DHB was drafted to provide a DEEP threat, draw coverage and move the safeties out of the box. Based on the last 2 games he’s accomplishing just that! And I’m confident the coaches see just that and that’s why he’s starting.
Its going to harder on him than the other WRs because HE is the guy drawing the safeties. If Murphy or Schilens were doing the same it would be tougher than their current go at it.
Schilens even clearly stated how he is being left alone because everyone is scared of DHB – Again a guy that just got in the league. Now how much better do you think this make Schilens look on the field? (Not to say that he isn’t good).
Just think about that before you all go blasting one of the keys to this offense.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:59 am
Terp,
Thats all crap. NO ONE is scared of DHB and hes not drawing the safety anywhere. Any WR that goes deep will have a safety checkn him out, its not limited to DHB. Your buying into the hype and your sounding like a fool. DHBs speed dznt translate to the field. You think he is the first fast guy to come into the NFL? Every team has a guy with DHBs speed. Your judgement is clouded by your man crush on the kid and your drinking the “Raider” Kool Aid when it comes to the “go deep” talk.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 am
Terrapin,
Can’t disagree with the fact that he is out there, and spreading the field a little bit, and drawing the safeties attention, at the least.
However, at some point in time, a team is going to force him to make a play. Right now, I am not all that confident that he will step up and make it. He just isn’t comfy yet, but that should come in due time. Murphy appears ready right now.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 am
Teams see JRussell (BIG ARM), DHB (BIG SPEED) and they get scared. ZMiller, Schilens, Murphy benefit. Its as simple as that. Now when they forget about DHB and focus on Schilens et al, we’ll see what happens.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 am
Terp,
Teams see Russells big arm and DHB speed and get scared? LOL!! Yeah, I bet they are just shakn with fear! Oh, my. You got me in stitches over here. Keep the jokes coming, I need a few laughs! “And theyre scared” LMFAO!!!!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 am
RaideRon – I’ll take Schilens own words over yours any day.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 am
Terrapin Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 am
Teams see JRussell (BIG ARM), DHB (BIG SPEED) and they get scared. ZMiller, Schilens, Murphy benefit. Its as simple as that. Now when they forget about DHB and focus on Schilens et al, we’ll see what happens.
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that’s correct… but there will be a team with a top-notch corner who’s going to go one on one with DHB…
it will force the raiders to go to him…
and that is when he will need to make the play…
otherwise… well…
we can all spell “disrespect”…
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 am
How about that Atkinson and Russell 2nd half interview. I rewound it and put on the closed caption , but most of it came back “inaudible”, lol.
Atkinson, “Tell us about the TD”
Russell, “Yeahwowot….(5 second pause) well it 3rd and long, in a mile, just try to make play….
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 am
LOL!! Because Russell has proven he can throw deep and DHB has shown time and time again he can get open deep. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “Get scared” LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 am
J Russell being interviewed by JT the Brick was a real eye opener. Exactly what language do they speak in Alabama ?
Get this kid a tutor or something. I hope I never have to see that again..
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 am
‘roidalron…
don’t put raider in front of your name unless you mean it…
right now there is no difference between you, rack-o-shit and maddenraider…
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Atkinson interviewing Russell?? Oooooohhhh… SAP button please.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Ok Pete. Thanks for clearn that up.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 am
It was JT as the interviewer and not Atkinson. I stand corrected.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Cuase im sure Chaz could say any different.
” And they get scared”
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 am
I have no idea what Satele is doing out there on run plays
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 am
Probably snappn the ball and at least tryn to block someone. That would be my guess.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 am
Dude, don’t com all over yourself over one choice word. scared, worried, bothered …whatever, doesn’t really matter. you get the point being made. now pls go wipe yourself off
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 am
Russell, “Yeahwowot….(5 second pause) well it 3rd and long, in a mile, just try to make play….
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okay… i ran it through my universal translator…
uh… it came out like this…
“onions should go on top of the tomato”
“it was third and long”
“in a whopper”
“just tried to make a play”
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 am
Terp,
Pleas dont say your done. I need some more laughs. Keep em coming buddy.
Heres a few words for you- NOT scared, unconcerned, indifferent, not worried.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 am
You all can start talking about how wise I am. Murphy is going to be out go to guy for years.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 am
NATION, what is UP???????
How about murphy startin at WR………
Took some heat from a “pro blogger” yesterday.
Like I said okay with startin 2 ROOKS. Also someone said yesterday that JLH would be startin against the SD. I like JLH but if i had a choice between JLH, and Murphy…… I go with the ROOK.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 am
DHB is a raw, unpolished unknown. Opposing teams are focusing on him right now because they don’t yet know what he is and they can afford to do this in preseason. The games don’t count. So if they get beat elsewhere on the field, oh well. Lesson learned.
You can be certain that this will change if DHB fails to find any type of rhythm with Jamarcus. No matter how fast he can run or how high he can jump, he won’t draw much attention from the defense if he doesn’t start catching balls. And that applies even if JRuss is at fault.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 am
RaiderRobG, If i remember correctly you did say Murphy was gonna catch two td’s yesterday, and he should have. Murphy as a ROOK is an upgrade over JLH. And folks stop crying about he is a rookie, you also have o consider what the “coaches” are saying about players.
Walker although he has been mentoring the young WR’s is going to really have to step his game up to see the field…
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 am
DHB is starting for a reason whether you guys like it or not. His speed doesn’t translate on the field? What a crock of sht!
He and Russell needs to work on their connection asap. Its imperative to the development of the offense.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 am
I think we may need a C …
Or Satele is still not 100%.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 am
# RaiderRon Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Atkinson interviewing Russell?? Oooooohhhh… SAP button please.
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I laughed out loud in church reading this.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 am
Agreed RaidingTexas – Thats why I pointed it out on my first post today that this connection must be worked on asap.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 am
2nd and goal from the 4….
Cable calls his fav play, Fargas up the middle for 1 yard gain!! What a surprise.
That’s wierd, don’t get to see Bradshaw, Sproles, Norwood, Charles, Gado, Jackson, Jones, etc get that play. Pretty unfair of those guys. But not coach Cable, he’ll give it to the scatback from the 2 yard line everytime.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:39 am
I am okay with DHB. He is doing what is expected of him. Forcing the ball into double coverage the odds of a completion are low, with the odds of an int being high. This reminds me of Rice and Taylor. Taylor took a lot of the coverage with him because of his speed. Allowed rice ono on one coverage. Taylor was badass but got overshadow becuase of his own skill and speed.
That doesnt show up in the stats directly but indirectly your team mates benefit from it.
Like I said yesterday DHB, and Murphy Will start against SD baring a great return by walker….
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 am
#168… WTF??
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
DHB does not play as fast as his 40 time would suggest. Even a blind man could see that.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 am
So are you sugessting like yesterday that JLH will start???
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:45 am
Im not suggesting anything. But I imagine JLH will start. Yes.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 am
For Russell’s part he has to learn how to pump fake and/or look off the safeties on those deep throws. DHB will learn how to play the corner and safety better on the go routes. That connection just takes the longest to perfect. They’ll figure it out.
In the meantime, call more DHB plays to get his beak wet. Some easy stuff like slants.
THEC07 – If I were a betting man, unless Murphy shows up big vs N.O., I think Walker will start opposite DHB on Monday night football assuming he’s really back to form. But Murphy may still get just as many snaps so it won’t matter much.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 am
cant
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 am
Thec, the main thing I would point out is that Taylor proved to the league that he could catch balls and had a QB who could consistently get the ball to him. I’m not passing judgement on DHB yet, but he is not a Taylor right now. He won’t be double-covered if defenses think he is not a threat.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 am
Terp,
Walker hasnt even practiced yet and your saying he will start. Based on what?
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 am
Not to bring everybody down but did you see Gallery holding during the Murphy TD? Finally the refs missed one of OURS! Clemmets looked like a fool after what he said at practice, grabbing jerseys for a huge PI.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 am
post!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 am
Per Nam regarding DHB …”he explodes off the line …you can’t press him too much or he’ll get you …speed is clearly his gift …”
Per Schilens …”they’re worried so much about his speed that they’re leaving me alone …”
So I guess Nam & Schilens are worse than blind?
RR – Your posts are getting closer to ludicrous.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
Morning NATION!!!
Coffe!!?!?!?!?! Robinson (ex QB) WTF WE need to get this problem fixed NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if our d gives up 27d rushing in the regular season we might win but two games this looks serious……..
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
RaidingTexas, Never said he was Taylor. The Rook is drawing Double teams though. Chaz, Murphy, and an of our other WR’s have and will benifit, thats all I am saying.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 am
I said IF IF IF Walker really has returned to form he’ll start. “IF” …two alphabets “I” and “F”
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 am
Shut up about DHB. You sound like an idiot when you talk about him. Your like a slobbering dog. Like his own teammates are going to say any different. Drop the DHB slobber fest. Time will tell whos right.
Now, answer for your rediculous Walker comment.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 am
Terp, Exactly…. I cant go by what someone on this blog says. those guys are on the field and know the truth.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 am
Oh well,
Got a couple of years out of this site.
This is SaintKaufman saying PEACE!
No more wasted keystrokes!! I’m free!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 am
Whats his “form”?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 am
Hooked on Phonics never worked for you huh?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
Answer please. Thank you.
Whats his “form”?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:10 am
Alright, I’ve got to take care of some other biz. I can’t sit here and respond to one ignoramus post after another.
Peace!
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:11 am
Thats what I thought.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:13 am
Ron,
I would have to say his “form” would be when he played 16 games in a season, you know healthy, 3 seasons total.
2003(his 2nd year)41 for 716 9td’s
2004(3rd) 89 for 1382 12 td’s
2006 69 for 1084 8td’s
Not bad “form” when he’s healthy huh?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 am
If there is room for a 4th RB on the roster, I think it will be Gary Russell, and not Rankin.
And if there was a “slight” chance that the Raiders would cut Fargas, those are gone today. He looked like our best back yesterday, the only guy to break a tackle really.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
2006 is what…… 3 years ago. 2 injury filled seasons and the fact that he hasnt practiced yet makes the chances of him returning to “form” almost ZERO.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
-If defenses decide to leave DHB isolated one on one, they will be victimized by it. D-Coordinators know this and they will make sure they provide help on that side.
-Schillens being out during the preseason is forcing the QB’s to build rapport with the other receivers. Murphy and the tight ends were the beneficiaries of that last night.
-Ricky Brown is a HUGE upgrade at MLB over Kirk Morrisson. I’m not saying he’s the ultimate answer, but it was obvious, as soon as he entered the game that our entire defensive was energized. For now he needs to start at MLB.
-The RDE of our D-Line sucks right now. Trevor Scott should not start. Shaughnessy should start when he is healthy. I’m also not opposed to T Kelly going to RDE. Leave Ellis alone at LDE, he’s doing fine. Most of the runs are going to the right side of our defense.
Nnamdi not being out there is also greatly affecting our run defense. It’s sad but true. Niners don’t get nearly as many yards if Asomugha playing that side.
-We also have several key players injured right now. Khalif Barnes, Mitchell, Chaz, etc.
There still alot to see and alot of practice to be had. The coaches just have to be willing to make personnel and alignment changes for the good of the team, even if it means taking some people out of their comfort zones.
PS- Hater Ron, Rack-o-shit, and Madden Hater, your services are no longer needed on this blog. May your computer catch a virus and crash.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
When they cut Neal, they basically cut Rankin. Russell stays because he can play FB too.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
Vegas, Fargas was 2 carries for 3 yards yesterday.
MBUSH was 3 carries for 15 yards.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 am
you asked what form, I answered that. Now you say that there is an almost 0% chance of a player coming back to his prior ability from injury? So what you are saying that if/when a player gets back to actually being healthy, there is no chance he will be anywhere near is former self? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 am
Mitchell and Barnes are “key” players? LOL!
DHB will “victimize” 1 on 1s? LOL!
And last but not least…..
Ricky Brown is a MAJOR upgrade over Morrison. LMFAO!!
To quote the great Will Farell…” What an IDIOT!”
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 am
Do you think Walker will regain his old form? Yes or no.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 am
I was hoping Rankin would make it but it looks like he will be on the practice squad. I am not sure that russell can play fb.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 am
If he is healthy, and that is the key, as in not playing in pain like he did for the last 2 years, I think it is more likely than not. He maybe a jackass who speaks in the 3rd person, but when healthy he has been a baller.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:29 am
Now answer this Ron, do you really think its almost impossible(almost 0% chance, your words) that a player can regain his form when he finally gets healthy?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 am
After a year, maybe. After 2 or 3. No. The guy is done. He is older now, and the injuries have no doubt taken their toll. Period. Javon Walker is done.
You didnt answer. Yes or No. Will Walker return to form?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:38 am
You didnt answer my question, once again you just dance around. I asked:
do you really think its almost impossible(almost 0% chance, your words) that a player can regain his form when he finally gets healthy?
and you just stated he is done cause he won’t be healthy, not if a player could come back if HE IS HEALTHY, way to dance Ron.
and I did answer you, if healthy more likely then not, and I can’t say yes or no, because unlike you I don’t presume to know FOR SURE if he is healthy(even though reports from media at camp say he looks his best in years).
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
Personally I am not for walker. All of his antics last year Vegas, quiting on the team, injuries etc I am completly sour on him. However to his credit he has been mentoring the ROOKS. They have taken to, and listen to him. Now if he can come back to “form” he will be forgiven. If walker can help us win games I am all for it.
At the end of the day its about wins.
Its not personal it business….
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
You also have to remember that with Russells acuracy problems, even if Walker is back to form, will it show on stat lines.
I do however think taht if Walker is healthy he will be the receiver he has been in the past. I just hope our QB(s) can get the ball to the receivers, which is a bit of a ? right now.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
“After one. Maybe. After 2 or 3.NO”<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Hows that not answering?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:46 am
Personally from what Walker has shown off the field, he seems like a D-Bag, I mean come on, who talks in the 3rd person, only D-bags. But if he can help the Raiders win some games,no off field disitractions, production on the field,I’ll be glad to have him.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 am
It’s not answering cause I asked :
do you really think its almost impossible(almost 0% chance, your words) that a player can regain his form when he finally gets healthy
I DID NOT ASK IF YOU THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA BE HEALTHY OR NOT.(even though reports from media says he looks healthy compared to prior years)
Your answer was that injuries have taken a toll over 2\3 years, which means you say he hasn’t\won’t get healthy.
Do you understand the differnce in the 2 yet, do I need to repost again?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Hey MFer, my answer was as follows. ” After a year MAYBE. After 2 or 3. NO”. Thats exactly how I wrote it. After 2 or 3 years. NO. His cances are 0. Do you need me to repost it?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
195.
“Murphy and the tight ends were the beneficiaries of that last night.”
Remember, Murphy put in time with Russell at his camp over the summer, so those added reps are paying dividends for sure.
While I did predict two touchdown by Murphy, having him fall short never looked so sweet. Bottom line he’s got the Tim Brown factor. I think we’re good at wide out with the availability of Walker and JLH, and DHB developing. Murphy has already arrived. Chazz coming back is just going to be a bonus. going six deep at wide out with Miller making the roster ain’t a bad situation to be in at all.
I see an offense that has the run game to sustain drives that eat up the clock, tightends and backs that block catch and make first downs and receivers that get open in a hurry AND catch the ball. And a QB who was 7-11 with no Ints who shoots lazers from his finger tips!
Aside from the defensive front seven, I’m feeling alright. At least we won’t have the problem of a Jeff George offense that could light up the score board but couldn’t kill the clock. We might actually have an offense that keeps the D off the field for an extended amount of time.
Hey Herm Edwards, what about the playoffs?
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Ron let me answer that after the Saints game. I’ve got nothing on Walker aside from him saying he feels good, to make another wise prediction at this point.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Norco Bob Says:
,..this is a blog for people to rip on the Raiders.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 am
RaiderTW,
Cry me a river.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 am
Wow, all the people saying there were positives from this game should be tarred and feathered. Then beaten senseless (as if that hasn’t already happened)..
1. The offensive line (yes, the 1st unit) was absolutely bust in the chops. No push in the running game. Pass D was OK.
2. The defensive line was blown off the ball. Time and time again….Teams will run at will again in 2009. If you are going to go with 4 undersized lineman, they better be talented. They aren’t. Bryant at DT will no solve the issue PENDING he turns out to be a SOLID player.. Hoping he becomes a GOOD player is a stretch at this point. And even if he does it won’t be enough. Ellis is the only legitimate player on this line.. And that is bad.
3. Fundamentals… What happened to them? I thought Marshall was going to instill them? There were several blown assignments in this game. The most noticeable to me was a 3rd and 7. Davis in @ QB for the Niners and rolls out. Sam Williams leaves his zone to rush him and Davis kills us with a pass for 27 yards to Delaney Walker.
4. HORRIBLE coaching. Cable leaves Fargas in for the red zone O after the Ricky Brown INT return. All Fargas did was waste a down, as usual in the red zone (or any zone, for that matter). 2nd and 24 and an END AROUND? 2 minute drill on a gift platter before half and plugging in Garcia??
5. No stride for Russell… Only one pass completed to a WR. Still not looking off the coverage. Still throwing off the back foot and of course this correlates to his accuracy issues. Still checking down and not seeing the progressions. 2 bad throws in the red zone that should have been a TD.
This team did not look good in ANY capacity last night.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 am
To say Javon has an almost 0% chance to get back to form after 2 injury riddled seasons seems a bit ridiculous. I could understand MAYBE if he hadn’t played or practiced in 2 years, but thats not the way it went down. You have to remeber he actually had 2 camps, and 16 games in that span, so its not like he was sittin on the couch. But I guess we get to wait and see, we should know by about week 4 if he’s gonna be anywhere near form
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 am
RaiderRon Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 am
Mitchell and Barnes are “key” players? LOL!
DHB will “victimize” 1 on 1s? LOL!
And last but not least…..
Ricky Brown is a MAJOR upgrade over Morrison. LMFAO!!
To quote the great Will Farell…” What an IDIOT!”
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well said i have been talking about this for weeks now
we are in big trouble here in OAKLAND hhhhhhhhheeeeeelllppppppppppppp.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 am
I agree we should kick Kelly out to RDE on running downs. The DTS seemed to hold there own at runs up the middle. The strach play was killing them. Move Kelly inside on passing downs and put Scott in to rush the passer. He is just not strong enough to set the edge.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
RaiderRon, sh!t me your opinion!
Then don’t let the door hit you in the vag!na on the way out.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
sorry meant stretch play
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
Among The countless things that “whiner” ron doesn’t understand is how much work it takes and how incredibly difficult it is to get back from that kind of injury. Anyone who has put in THAT much time rehabbing, working, rehabbing, working, rehabbing, I wouldn’t count out just yet.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
One thing is for sure… Brown has a much better feel for the blitz than Morrison… Plays with a nastier streak too. That is all I can ask for at this point.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
ricky brown is a jobber needs to be cut now!
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
If Russell doesn’t stop dancin around and throwin off his back foot, the health an pogression of the receivers is not gonna matter. Very frustrating watching him back there, one second he can’t hit the wide open out, the next he nails murphy in the corner.
and can we please keep him away from cameras and mics, absolutely painful to watch him get interviewed.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
Gotta agree with most of that TB, except the JRuss critique. He targeted the WRs at least 4 times. The first throw to DHB on the out pattern was bad timing between DHB and JRuss. JRuss threw the ball before DHB turned around, and DHB ran about 3 yds further than he needed to. JRuss put the ball 3 yds pass the 1st down marker. That 2nd pass to DHB was off of one foot, but that is b/c Satele let the LB come free. Murphy had a ball go off his hands in the end zone before JRuss overthrew him. Include the TD and that is at least 5 throws to the wideouts.
The throws to Miller, and the screens to the RBs were good decisions.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
I didn’t think that was you Bob, but I thought registration took care of the trolling. I never saw you talk in all caps before and mock yourself as Norco Boob. It was pretty obvious.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Agree with you on the line play TB.
Satele can be the next contestant on Dancing with the Stars b/c he didn’t block anybody.
Carlisle and Green were awful.
Henderson and Gallery played well.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 am
Norco,
I just figured your you changed pills or got ahold of some laced smoke.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
And the playcalling by Cable had some really strange moments. From personell calls to actual play selection. Like that reverse he called on 2nd and goal from the 20.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Raji looked like a beast for the Pack too bad he didn’t run a 4.3 40 time.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Man I hope brien is ok, he called late, pissed, then went to hit the bars,…man he was mad!
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Ya my source told me Raji was their guy all the way,..unti Davis and that 40 time got the better of war room.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
Its unimaginable how the Raiders didnt address the horrible run D in draft,..still cant figure that one out.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 am
Don’t worry next year we’ll set a hard hitting safety.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
Only if the safety has a great combine with the stopwatch.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
Im not sure how BJ Raji helps stop that constant pounding of the DE positions. We need a dominant DE, a real impact 3 down guy. Someone about 280 or so, and just a bad arse!
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
I like Kelly, Joseph, and the rookie Bryant at DT. Sands should be the perfect 4th guy with that size but he is clearly about to get cut. Warren is decent but is hardly an impact player.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
With our top 5 pick, listen to me…
SCRAP the 43, Go with a 34.
Then you have 2 possible scenarios in the 2010 draft.
Howard and Alston at LOLB/ROLB respectively..
Ricky Brown @ one ILB spot.
Move Kelly to LDE then Desmond Bryant to RDE.
Draft Terrence Cody from Alabama to play NT
OR
Brandon Spikes to play the other ILB…
If you go Terrence Cody you can try moving Alston inside with Ricky Brown and find an OLB in the draft.. Or work some experiment with Slade Norris or Trev Scott.
If you go the Brandon Spikes route… Pick up a big body space eater in the drafts later rounds…
Scrap the 43…
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 am
Also, Shaugnessy can be a 34 DE
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 am
I’m listening ….
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
We ran some 3-4 last night …
Not too effectively, but we ran it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
Of all the Q’s playing in that game yesterday only one looked decent: Russell. Henderson did play well, which is a good sign, especially coming against a 3/4. I told you guys about that Brandon Myers kid. He has great hands, knows how to get open. Now if he can only block. The disappointment was John Marshall made Rob Ryan seem like Bud Carson out there. How the defense could not find a way to shut down that inside trap play I have no idea. Well, expect an inside trap play every other play for the next 18 weeks.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
# jhill Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
We ran some 3-4 last night …
Not too effectively, but we ran it.
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On their second series we also ran Buddy Ryan’s 46. Ryan did the same thing when he has was here. It’s just idiots that post here, don’t know what they are seeing, can’t tell the difference and don’t have any idea what is going on out on a football field.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
We dont have 34 personnel.. We need an NT and a hardnosed ILB…
So even IF we were to transition.. We are a good 2 drafts or 1 draft and a key FA signing or two from having the personnel to run it.
But we should really start making that transition more.. Sh*t, we don’t even have the personnel to run a hybrid.. We barely have NFL caliber talent on D, period.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 am
Wow! Gook Glenn actually talking football. Shocker. Even more shocking is he actually did a good job. Well done GG. Now how bout fixin me some spicy teryaki with a side of gyoza.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 am
I don’t know though …
I think I like our DTs Kelly, Joseph, and Bryant. I think we should find one more youngster to go with him, maybe use a 3rd rounder on that position in next years draft.
But we HAVE to address the DE position in the first round, or the OLB position if we switch to the 3-4. We do not have that dominant guy who can hold the edge and pressure from the edge. He’s just not on the roster and it is a GLARING weakness. Ellis is a good player and an upgrade over Burgess, but he might have a year or so left. All out eggs are in Shaugnessy’s basket right now. I just became his biggest supporter.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:55 am
LOL, that’s true …
We can’t be any worse in a 3-4.
How sad is that?
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Lol……
yes, we ran the 46.. We ran the 34 and a 34 Eagle.. We also ran a nickel package, soft zone, We also ran a 44..
Who cares what we saw in certain packages that went sent out on the field… Every base defense has the formations.
I fail to see your point…
I think “fools” know plenty about what they see on the field. I think fools just bring up irrelevant details to create an argument for whatever reason lol.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
# jhill Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 am
I don’t know though …
I think I like our DTs Kelly, Joseph, and Bryant. I think we should find one more youngster to go with him, maybe use a 3rd rounder on that position in next years draft.
But we HAVE to address the DE position in the first round, or the OLB position if we switch to the 3-4. We do not have that dominant guy who can hold the edge and pressure from the edge. He’s just not on the roster and it is a GLARING weakness. Ellis is a good player and an upgrade over Burgess, but he might have a year or so left. All out eggs are in Shaugnessy’s basket right now. I just became his biggest supporter.
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Howard has shown that he can be a very effective edge rusher when selling out… We also have yet to see what Alston can do as well.. And remember, if we do switch to a 34, we have Greg Ellis who can rush with his hand up.
The biggest glaring weakness in a switch to 34 is NT.
You can get away with two undersized MLB’s as ILB’s in a 43, which we do have. They still are not that talented lol.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:02 am
Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round of the draft, we will continue to s*ck. How can anyone think that DBs and wide receivers win football games? The games are won in the trenches!
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
I think that Warren and Bryant at DE in the 3-4 would be such a load, that we could get away with a Ron Brace type in the 2nd or 3rd. Wilfork will be a FA, heck go after him.
But I don’t know about Alston at OLB. He was a big part of the problem last night, and he is a disaster in coverage. Howard would be incredible.
I don’t know, I guess it would depend on who is available, but I’m looking for playmakers in rd 1.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Not having a prototypical NT in a 3/4 is kind of problematic. And those guys just don’t fall out the sky every five minutes. Would you use Warren as the other DE? He is not quite a NT and I don’t think he would be a 3/4 DE.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
TH and Alston are too small to play OLBs in a 3-4 scheme.
The OLBs in a 3-4 scheme are small DEs who can cover, and play in space.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
The first five or six run plays, when Gore was in, we actually played pretty well. On the first big run gainer for them, thomas Howard makes a terrible tackle attempt, and the play goes for 15 yards. So much of the run defense problems over the last few years has been the tackling. You don’t see the Steeler defense tackling like we do.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
# Raider O Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
TH and Alston are too small to play OLBs in a 3-4 scheme.
The OLBs in a 3-4 scheme are small DEs who can cover, and play in space.
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Not true, James Farrior who was a great OLB for the Steelers in their 34 was smaller than T How and Alston.
and thats just one example
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:15 am
I would use Kelly and Bryant as 34 DE’s… Kelly is a perfect 34 DE
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Farrior is bigger than Howard and Alston only goes about 225. Alston is extremely undersized for the position. Of course James Farrior was a lst round pick who is incredibly valuable because he calls all their defensive alignments as well. Farrior is an exceptional player. We don’t have a James Farrior in our front seven.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Let’s not put Desmond Bryant up as anything but a rookie free agent trying to make the team. The starters and coaches know what they need to do.
Anyway, who is really expecting anything from this defense.
This year is all about the offense…hopefully they can get the lead so that we can mask a poor run defense.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 am
Oh, another point. Sands gotta go, like yesterday. I am not sure if anybody remembers but there was one play (not sure if it was Coffee still or Robinson at this point) where Sands got penetration on an off tackle run play (!!!).. Sands had a head of steam and as soon as the RB bounced outside he stood up and stopped pursuit.. There was NO effort on the play at all.. Any other play by Sands was agonizing to watch. He gets stood up EVERY play and his legs go stiff. He is pathetic. I have no idea why he is still on this team.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
I think this last preseason game showed that some of our LB’s, (Thomas Howard) are excellent pass defending LB’s but are lacking in the run defense. Greatly lacking.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
# Oakglenn Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Farrior is bigger than Howard and Alston only goes about 225. Alston is extremely undersized for the position. Of course James Farrior was a lst round pick who is incredibly valuable because he calls all their defensive alignments as well. Farrior is an exceptional player. We don’t have a James Farrior in our front seven.
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Again, we don’t know that..
I am not suggesting that anybody would be as effective as a Farrior type. But, we just don’t know because we don’t run it as a base. Howard is a very talented and capable player. He can rush off the edge.. Can trail ANY RB in the league. And is a very intelligent player.
Alston, who knows. I will give him a pass on yesterdays performance as he is injured.. Plantar Fasciaitis is a very painful injury
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
Howard would be just fine in the 3-4, especially since he can cover.
Alston, just not feeling him. He’s the backup to Ricky Brown at SLB and starting only by default. I was not impressed with him at all. I was actually looking forward to seeing him with the added weight. Now, I’d rather see Slade Norris.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
Desmond Bryant would have to play really well against opponent ONES before I anoint him as anything but a long shot. Brandon Myers looks like a very solid player tho. Slade Norris might be a decent player as well.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
Teabag Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
# Oakglenn Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Farrior is bigger than Howard and Alston only goes about 225. Alston is extremely undersized for the position. Of course James Farrior was a lst round pick who is incredibly valuable because he calls all their defensive alignments as well. Farrior is an exceptional player. We don’t have a James Farrior in our front seven.
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Again, we don’t know that..
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We don’t know what? That we don’t have a Farrior type player?
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
Sands is already down the depth chart. Joseph and Bryant were the first DTs on the field last night subbing for the starter. they played a lot in the first and 2nd qtr. We did see Sands until the 3rd qtr.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
Its disappointing that Slade Norris isn’t pushing the Alston/Brown combo at SLB.
Hopefully Matt Shaughnessey is the man on the edge. Of course the Raiders can’t find an every down DE to save their life.
All this emphasis on speed is hurting the team on defense
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
OakGlenn,
Im saying we don’t know if Howard can become a Farrior type player in a 34..
As far as being a defensive QB, I doubt he has it in him. The one thing that I never really liked about Howard is that he has never taken the initiative to get people all on the same page. He isn’t a captain.
So, obviously that isn’t going to change with a switch in defensive scheme.
Would be nice to see him develop that trait.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
Remember S&B Norris is learning a completely new position here at the pro level. That ain’t easy. He was a defensive end in college. When he has been in there at OLB, he has been productive. Of course he is playing against 2’s and scrubs.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
Norris is playing against 2’s and hopefully with the first teamers with the emergency need at LB due to injury.
He flies around and wraps up tackles well.
We need a smart LB on this team though… We haven’t had one since Greg Biekert. Limited athletically but he was invaluable to that defense.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Why is Justin Fargas being used as the red zone running back?
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:38 am
Well teabag, they play different positions. Farrior plays inside, Howard plays outside because of his speed. Farrior was a bona fide first round choice who greatly excelled, was signed as a free agent by Pittsburgh to command their defense, And ever since he took over, their defense has been amazingly effective including 2 Super Bowl appearences and one SB win. The only player you can really compare him to is Ray Lewis. Farrior is THAT good. Honestly, I don’t know if Thomas Howard or any of our players can command that kind of credentialed respect.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
I think Slade Norris is going to be a good player. I am actually pleasantly surprised at how well he seems to be playing. #276 is exactly right.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Why is Justin Fargas being used as the red zone running back?
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Would love to hear cables response to this question..Man I hope he gets it figured out….
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
Russell is playing a steady game of QB. Like last year, the guy is NOT throwing interceptions.
That’s huge because it gives the team a chance.
The key to the pass offense is someone stepping up and being a move the chains type of receiver that Schillens was developing into.
Russell seems to do ok when there is decent talent on the field with him.
Also, tell Cable to STOP USING FARGAS IN THE RED ZONE!
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am
We need a smart LB on this team though… We haven’t had one since Greg Biekert. Limited athletically but he was invaluable to that defense.
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FRANTZ we need you!!!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 am
Oakglenn,
I would like to see Slade Norris in there with the 1s.
Let’s see what he can do.
This defense is shaping up to be a rerun of last year.
Gotta shake things up a little bit. The linebackers are getting run over out there.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
The run defense is just terrible. These excuses for gap discipline and tackling need to go. We lack talent to stop the run. Gerard Warren fukin sucks as a run stuffing DT and they still are running the Al Davis defense. There is no way around this at all
Russell did ok but still has much work to do. He still gives us the best chance to win. The Garbage-cia interception was what I was expecting since it was his first live action in a while. He badly overthrew a WR that is around his size.
The rushing offense was awful. The o-line strangely pass blocked better than they ran blocked. DMAC,Fargas,Bush,Rankin and G.Russell all get an F from me. DMAC should still be the starter come San Diego. The o-line looked soft against the 49ers front 7 I tell ya.
Mario Henderson is the man and dammit I cant wait until Barnes comes back so Green can be benched
Murphy and Myers look real damn good. I guess as my brother from another mother, Jhill, may be on to something with the one back set and the double TE formation. Good stuff my bruh bruh
Nick Miller, do you wanna make the team?
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
More of an issue than Justin Fargas is the blocking, or lack thereof, from Satele, Carlisle, and Green.
It was a pathetic performance all around.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 am
The fact that we will play the Al Davis defense means the Raider offense needs to get ahead early in the game so we can play to our strength……the PASS DEFENSE. What’s my point? Farglass cant start because we dont need to try to play that wear down the defense crap. We better be up on the scoreboard so teams dont run it down our throat. The run defense will still be awful
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 am
If this team MUST pass then this team WILL lose.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
Jhill, the run blocking was past atrocious. It was disgusting to watch the 49er front 7 punked our o-line like that. I was pissed when Russell and DMAC lost their footing in the same fukin series. DMAC was at least looking better trying to cut than he did last year but still you gotta keep your feet. That would have been a real big play.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
I see were on the same page B …
Gotta say, I miss Grove seeing Satele.
I’d like to see Morris get a chance in there, but Satele was worse than Trevor Scott was, IMO.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
Rhonda, the team will have to pass at times. I’m not saying pass 40 times a game because Russell aint that type of QB. But 25-30 times a game will have to happen. That threat of the pass must be a viable option. Our o-line is still soft as hell as far as playing a tough front 7.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Grove sucks. I’ll take Satele. At least Satele can get to the 2nd level of a defense. Grove never did that. Grove got beat up all the time and was injury prone. Fuk that punk
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Brien the General Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
The rushing offense was awful. The o-line strangely pass blocked better than they ran blocked. DMAC,Fargas,Bush,Rankin and G.Russell all get an F from me. DMAC should still be the starter come San Diego.
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you wanna give M Bush an F ???
he only got 3 chances… and averaged 5 yards a carry…
and your boy DMac… got 5 yards on 4 carries…
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Trevor Scott might as well start at RDE. Who the hell else will play there? Ellis? No he is too valuable at LDE. Richardson? That was a joke when he started. He is a backup. WE just gotta wait and see with Scott. He looked better rushing the passer than he did vs Dallas. They were running some stunts which I was happy to see. I still believe he will get about 6-7 sacks this year.
People want to demote him but its his second season like Russell. Yall preach patience with Russell well dothe same for Scott.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Pete the entire run game deserves an F. No matter what those 3 carries were the entire unit and o-line was sickening
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 am
Pete yep DMAC got criticized as well. He is my and your starting RB so yep he is your boy too
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Satele didn’t make one block. He got pancaked by the NT on the 2nd play of the game. He gets to the 2nd level really well, but he doesn’t block anyone when he gets there. Satele was awful!
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Did anyone see Oren Oneal missing blocks? I did. Damn shame we dont have Neal. But he was just too slow as some have said
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I was rooting for Scott big time. It’s just that these past 2 games have really been eye popping. He is getting man handled by TEs, not to mention LTs.
He was definitely more of a factore rushing the passer this week than he was last. He had a few nice pressures when we went with the stunts. But man up against Staley? Nothing!
I agree that we don’t need to mess with the left side. I’d like to see Shaugnessy simply because he is a bigger guy.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
259. Yup. Every one thinks “Just plug one of these guys in and run the 3-4! Yeah…okay…
See how Denver’s doing with it and how KC will…Denver hasn’t been able to find a good DT for years…
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Brien the General Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.
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Not exactly. Against Dallas he was out of position several times on run plays and lost contain too.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Yeah Jhill a bigger guy that still wont get pressure against the LT. I’ll stick with Scott. We have no other options
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Just write off the playcalling to preseason. It really doesn’t matter. Things are done in preseason that won’t be done the the real games. They’re just figuring things out.
Brien – Like I said on my 1st post today. Garcia is not right for this offense.
49ers and Raider (for a while) actually played some really good run defense. So I’m not going to be so tough on the Oline. Some games just go that way where the defenses are playing big. It was good for the Oline to get some work in vs a 34.
The problem with the run defense is overwhelmingly with RDE. You fix that you fix a lot.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Terrapin,
The Raiders have been placing a lot of emphasis on stopping the run. The results have been poor.
Playcalling in preseason only matters in that if you can’t execute now….don’t look for the lights to just come on when the season starts.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Brien the General Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.
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Not exactly. Against Dallas he was out of position several times on run plays and lost contain too.
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Well you can disagree all you want but watching the game you seen him actually make blocks in a the run and I was quite happy to see he is a much better pass blocker than Grove
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Trevor Scott is obviously going to get a long look at that DE position. And to be fair, the LDE was giving up the same play.
So it is going to be interesting to see how we try and fix this. Next week will be very telling.
I personally think we need to line the DEs up a little wider.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Terp- of course he is not. He is a dink and dunk punk WCO qb. I tried to explain to guys like MR but they refuse to listen. They dont understand you gotta run schemes conducive to your personnel. We got big play speed WRs and people expect Garbage-cia to lead the offense to the playoffs lol. Its a joke. I sent in a question to that bitch Skipper Bayless as to why he thinks Garbage-cia can jump start a vertical offense. no answer yet
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Jhill, it isnt the players fault completely on defense eventho Warren sucks as a run stuffing DT. Problem is we running the Al Davis defense. Nothing has changed. We may blitz a little more but dammit the way our scheme is will lead to 150 yard games for RBs all year
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Jhill line up wider? That wont work either
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Terp the problem with the run defense is the fact they dont value a true NT it seems. The RDE is hardly the problem. The same gashes against the run D happened even when we had bigger RDEs inthe game. The scheme is the problem
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Ray Ratto mentioned “the business-shoulder block thrown by quarterback Alex Smith that laid out Raiders defensive end Greg Ellis.” Why didn’t you?
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Raiders 75
“Now they have time to work on the personnel issues and schemes before the season starts.”
Everybody has known for the last 5 years the run defense is a sieve. You think that all of the sudden this is news and we need to work on it then you have been living in a cave since 2002.
Again we drafted WR S WR instead of DT MLB.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
rone shouldnt you worry about alex smith passing and not his blocking
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Huh….some of you need to wake up. The Raiders running game will be fine this year and they know it.
No reason to play the two main guys DMC and Bush heavily in this game against the Niners. Especially when these sneaky injuries are starting to pop up.
Satele is a HUGE cheap upgrade over old and broken down Grove.
Alex Smith IS a BUST and Ray Ratto is a jackass! lol
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I have to agree with Brein there is a reason that fat slobs like Grady Jackson ares still hanging around the NFL.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I really only pay attention to the starters & to a lesser extent their backups. I haven’t gone back to watch the game but the starting DTs played well. It was the flanks getting crushed – primarily the RDE area. What the scrubs (soon to be cut) do after them I really don’t care about. Its a waste of energy and focus.
For that reason I saw the games differently than what the scoreboard dictates.
Specifically, I think we loss vs Dallas and beat SF – sounds crazy I know, but like I said …I only go by what the starters are doing. If you followed this same theory you would see that in the Art Shell year where we went 4-0 …in reality we loss every damn game! Prelude to a terrible season.
(but even based on this perspective its still questionable whether they would’ve loss vs Dallas in the real game).
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
# Brien the General Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Terp the problem with the run defense is the fact they dont value a true NT it seems. The RDE is hardly the problem. The same gashes against the run D happened even when we had bigger RDEs inthe game. The scheme is the problem
^^^^^^That’s why I’m hoping and praying that Coach Cable and DC Marshall held back on the defensive play calling in this game. There was maybe 2 blitzes the whole game, and I think zero run blitzes….zero CB or safety blitzes….it was a just basic 4 man front with not enough LB’s in the box, and the DE’s were not lined up wide enough. Boschetti seemed like he was the only DT in there who really brings the attitude and effort against the run.
I’m telling you Boschetti should be starting!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Jhill, I was alittle presumptuous last night. I actually watched the 1st qrtr early this morning and I have to agree with Lefty12, it wasn’t as bad as I made out.
The 1st team defense wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought and T Kelly looks like he’s going to have a good year.
When we ran the 3/4 front early in the game it was effective. But we missed a couple of gaps and they capitolized on it. The defense marshall is running is still a work in progress but I see what he’s trying to do and I think it’s going to work.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
It looks like he’s running strictly 4/3 on early downs and giving a 3/4 look occasionally on passing downs.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Somewhere LT is licking his chops right now… Fix the run d and we will be competitive. offfense is going to be servicable to begin the season and will get progressively better as russ grows more comfortable and the line gells… Run Fargas between the twenties. Let him pound it but sit him in the red zone. Useless..
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
btw. The score when the starters were in: Dallas (7) Raiders (3). SF (3) Raiders (7).
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
It was as bad as you thought it was Priest. Yeah, there were some good things done on defense, all on pass defense. The bad thing about the first qtr is that the big runs were to the left edge of the defense. They didn’t even start hammering the right side until the 2nd qtr.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Brien the General Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.
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Not exactly. Against Dallas he was out of position several times on run plays and lost contain too.
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LOL … tell me how an offensive player loses contain….
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Jhill, I was alittle presumptuous last night. I actually watched the 1st qrtr early this morning and I have to agree with Lefty12, it wasn’t as bad as I made out.
The 1st team defense wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought and T Kelly looks like he’s going to have a good year.
When we ran the 3/4 front early in the game it was effective. But we missed a couple of gaps and they capitolized on it. The defense marshall is running is still a work in progress but I see what he’s trying to do and I think it’s going to work.
^^^^^^^As long as DC Marshall mixes up the formations and looks and brings some zone pass and run blitzes, this defense should be better than last years.
IF Marshall just brings a basic 4 man front with no gap discipline and lack of attitude and effort, then it will be the underachieving inconsistent defense that we have seen the last 5 years.
THE GUYS ON DEFENSE NEED TO PLAY WITH A FREAKIN CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDERS! They better start showing it….
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
From PFT
“We do [the two-minute drill] so much in practice he’s had it,” Cable said in comments distributed by the 49ers. “Jeff hasn’t. It’s really just the fact that that we wanted to make sure that we had Jeff in the first half. The situation didn’t really matter to me, I just wanted to stay with what the plan was.”
Shows what a hack jerry is!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Did any of you guys see the discharger game. They are starting 2 rooks on the o-line. Rivers got sacked four times. They look awful…..
LT of the dischargers is done….. They should have kept turner. LT doesnt hit holes with any burst, and goes down without really being hit, which is his trademark.
Merriman is invisible, he was/is a non factor in the SD
presason games up to this point. The dishargers think they are going to the SB but i think they are in trouble….
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I guess in the bend but don’t break frame of mind, we could be ok. I think we are going to give up 3 or 4 big runs per game the way it is looking. Let’s just hope that we can keep those runs to 15 yds or less instead of letting them go for big yardage. No I see why we need the best tackler on the team to play FS for us.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
On a positive note, I think our pressure on the QB is without question leaps and bounds better than it was last year.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Its a huge struggle just to post. Later
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Thec07
“Merriman is invisible” Because he is off the steroids.
“LT of the dischargers is done”
LT is SOFT way too soft, not a guy you would want in the trenches with you if you were at war.
You always here guys say “I would go into a battle with that guy” They are not talking about LT!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Jhill I saw that, but it was one run that was successful. They tried 5-6 runs at the interior and came up empty. It was when they pulled the OG with two tights and outflanked us that they started to see results. The early run defense they were actually stoutin the interior. So the problem is again technigue and gap responsibility. We were getting outflanked.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Not exactly. Against Dallas he was out of position several times on run plays and lost contain too.
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Still want to know exactly how an offensive player loses contain………. lol
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Instead of praising Russell on how good he looked….Jerry predictably tries to spin his performance into a negative about Russell not being in their the last 2 minutes of the 1st half???
Give me a break….Garcia needed some work and the most the starters will be playing about 3 quarters in the next game.
Another test for this team is to get them in the mode of thinking about closing out games and playing 4 full quarters.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
If you go back and look at the 49ers first drive. 1st down run 1yd, 2nd down run 2yds, 3rd pass and we were in a 3/4 front with T Scott up and free he actually rushed in the A-gap. Their first 5-6 runs at the DT’s was un successful.
Someone said last night had we scored early like we should’ve we may have been able to force them to pass and GAME OVER!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I didn’t see, but, did anybody notice if Tommy Kelly was effective pulling? LOL
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I would much rather go to battle with Tomlisnson than fargas any day and how well have we done against Tomlinson anyway until we beat him and the chargers i’ll wait for the trash talking.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Hey guys, we have what we have. But to say or act as if this ship has sunk before it’s even set sail is pretty weak. In other words, you’re not the kind of people I’d take into battle with me here in Iraq with all your crying.
Take a look at some of the positives once in a while. We’re all in agreement that a lot of work needs to be done on defense, both on and off the field, and the front office. But the fact remains we have a team that has some fight in them this year. I’m sure they really want to play for a bunch of cry babies fans that are considering them a lost cause for the season after the second preseason game.
I don’t like the six years of losing either, but I see this team making progress, and I still maintain this team will win in Oakland against the Chargers on Monday night.
Hell, if you’re giving up on this team before the season starts, why are you even here?
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
The mentality on defense SHOULD be to dare opponents to run the ball. Not hope the opponent won’t run it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
oh here’s some sweet video from Iraq.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
If ya want to catch the game tonight, it’s on at 10:00 pm, eastern, on the NFL channel.
August 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
RobG
Its not a matter of giving up your missing the point no one “Gave UP” we are all still here and excited for the season! I will be at the games this year, will you?
Some of us are just not as myopic as you and others and realize that we cant stop the run no matter how you want to sugar coat it.
And any one with a football IQ above 80 will tell you that is a key element of wining games in the NFL.
We have not through the draft or free agency addressed the issue almost completely ignoring it if you ask me.
So if you want to believe that a magical leprechaun will appear when the season starts and the issue will go away then by all means its your American right to bury your head in the sand.
Just because concerned, life long, paying fans voice their concern about our run defense does not mean that we are throwing in the towel. Just means that want the issues addressed.
Now if you want to perceive that as giving up then you have perception issues. I suggest therapy.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
sup B,
How you livin cutty??
Grove was a punk and watching Staele getting in the face of LB on the second level while Darren runs aroud them will be nice to see!!!!
August 24th, 2009 at 11:27 am
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