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Postgame wrap

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, August 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News and notes from the Raiders 21-20 loss to the 49ers Saturday night at Candlestick Park:

– Kirk Morrison, out after the first series wearing a sling, said he dislocated his left elbow and will be out a couple of weeks, although it’s worth noting most players are overly optimisitc when it comes to diagnosing their own injuries.

“Someone landed on it. I got up and it was just kind of hanging,” Morrison said.

– There was a lot of conversation about the 49ers gashing the Raiders for 275 yards on 47 carries. Roiokie Glen Coffee led the way with 129 on 16 carries, Michael Robinson had 97 on 14 attempts and Kory Sheets 51 yards on 12 tries.

“I just feel like they had a play. We had an answer for it,” Morrison said. “They just kept hitting us with it. We’re going to work it out this week. We understand we’re going to see that play a lot. It’s a copycat league.”

Said defensive end Greg Ellis: “They were pulling some of the linemen around and we’re just going to look at it. I’m pretty sure the coaches are going to come up[ with a solution to make sure that doesn’t happen again. It wasn’t like they were able to run any play and get yardage on us. That one play, we just didn’t handle it well. They did what they should, they kept doing it one side to the other and they kept having success with it.”

– Robinson gave credit to offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye, and described his philosophy this way: “We’re going to go out there and we’re giong to knock ‘em in the mouth! Kick ‘em in the teeth, knock ‘em in the mouth! He’s always saying that.”

– Cable said the Raiders weren’t necessarily having issues with gaps and discipline, the mantra in exorcising the Rob Ryan years. Instead, tackling was the big issue.

“A couple of those, it was really kind of the same play,” Cable said. “A couple of times we really had guys in the hole who had to just wrap up and they did not do that.”

– Asked if he was concerned about the defensive effort, lineabacker Thomas Howard said, “I don’t lknow if you are going ot sell the farm and move, but there is definitely concern.”

– Jon Alston’s take: “It was basically one person getting cut out of the gap or something like that. These are small things that we have to work on and make ourselves better as a team.”

– Cable said he believed the Raiders left 21 points on the field in the first half, meaning that on either a three-and-out or a series where they got one first down, he saw a sure-thing touchdown. No doubt the Raiders should have scored after Ricky Brown’s intercepted a tipped pass and returned it to the 7.

Instead, the Raiders ran four plays and didn’t score, with Russell coming up empty to Louis Murphy on fourth down.

Brown returned the interception 46 yards but was brought down, much to his chagrin, by quarterback Alex Smith.

“About the only thing that bothered me was that I got caught from behind by the quarterback,” Brown said. “Once I get my legs under me, I’ll be all right.”

– JaMarcus Russell was 7-for-11 for 76 yards but only the only completion to a wide receiver was the touchdown pass to Murphy. Read in my Web exclusive column why he should have finished the first half and been the quarterback for the final 1:59.

– Pad-level was once again an issue. The Raiders, Cable believes, are simply playing too high and its costing them both running the ball and stopping the run. The Raiders ran for 69 yards on 18 carries, with Charlie Frye leading with 16 yards on two carries _ including his 14-yard scoring run.

Darren McFadden carried four times and gained five yards.

“I thought I had an all right game,” McFadden said.

Michael Bush had 15 yards on three carries and starts next week against New Orleans.

“I thought we were very high,” Cable said. “I didn’t think we fit our helmets right in the offensive line.”

– Murphy had two catches for 34 yards, including the 24-yard touchdown reception from Russell on third-and-21 against Nate Clements, one of his tormentors during the four practices in Napa.

“It was just a good call against the coverage that they were playing,” Murphy said. “It just so happened that he bit up on the coverage and left me open in the end zone.”

– Jeff Garcia, Charlie Frye and Bruce Gradkowski each had an interception to go along with Nick Miller’s lost fumble.

“I think we showed some good things and there were some things we need to work on, like the turnovers,” Zach Miller said. “Overall, we just want to have a legit passing game.”

– Terdell Sands could be playing for a roster spot. Undrafted rookie free agent Desmond Bryant played before Sands and has caught Cable’s attention.

“He has consistently gotten better each day over the last two weeks and showed some flash in the Dallas game so we just felt like we’ve just got to continue to push that along,” Cable said. “As long as he can keep delivering it every day like he has, let’s find out how much he’s got.”

– The 49ers’ drive consuming 6:46 of the clock following the Oakland touchdown relegated Garcia to a mere 1:59 of playing time. He guided the Raiders deep into 49ers territory before throwing late and behind Johnnie Lee Higgins, with Allen Rossum getting the interception.

“We had hoped things would work out would be that I’d get about half of the second quarter,” Garcia said. “But, unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way and I was left with about two minutes to go in the half and that’s just how it is.

“There wasn’t really any time to get your feet wet and just have to jump right in an attack. And I love playing the 2-minute situation. I feel like that’s something that I have been able to do successfully throughout my career and we were doing some good things. It just didn’t have the ending that we would have liked at the end of that half but there were some good things that we can take out of it.”

– The Raiders wore a No. 95 on the back of their helmets in memory of linebacker Marquis Cooper, who died at sea after a tragic fishing accident off the coast of Florida.

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  • Kirk

    Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round of the draft, we will continue to s*ck. How can anyone think that DBs and wide receivers win football games? The games are won in the trenches!

  • jhill

    I think that Warren and Bryant at DE in the 3-4 would be such a load, that we could get away with a Ron Brace type in the 2nd or 3rd. Wilfork will be a FA, heck go after him.

    But I don’t know about Alston at OLB. He was a big part of the problem last night, and he is a disaster in coverage. Howard would be incredible.

    I don’t know, I guess it would depend on who is available, but I’m looking for playmakers in rd 1.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Not having a prototypical NT in a 3/4 is kind of problematic. And those guys just don’t fall out the sky every five minutes. Would you use Warren as the other DE? He is not quite a NT and I don’t think he would be a 3/4 DE.

  • http://atm Raider O

    TH and Alston are too small to play OLBs in a 3-4 scheme.

    The OLBs in a 3-4 scheme are small DEs who can cover, and play in space.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    The first five or six run plays, when Gore was in, we actually played pretty well. On the first big run gainer for them, thomas Howard makes a terrible tackle attempt, and the play goes for 15 yards. So much of the run defense problems over the last few years has been the tackling. You don’t see the Steeler defense tackling like we do.

  • Teabag

    # Raider O Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 am

    TH and Alston are too small to play OLBs in a 3-4 scheme.

    The OLBs in a 3-4 scheme are small DEs who can cover, and play in space.
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    Not true, James Farrior who was a great OLB for the Steelers in their 34 was smaller than T How and Alston.

    and thats just one example

  • Teabag

    I would use Kelly and Bryant as 34 DE’s… Kelly is a perfect 34 DE

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Farrior is bigger than Howard and Alston only goes about 225. Alston is extremely undersized for the position. Of course James Farrior was a lst round pick who is incredibly valuable because he calls all their defensive alignments as well. Farrior is an exceptional player. We don’t have a James Farrior in our front seven.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Let’s not put Desmond Bryant up as anything but a rookie free agent trying to make the team. The starters and coaches know what they need to do.

    Anyway, who is really expecting anything from this defense.

    This year is all about the offense…hopefully they can get the lead so that we can mask a poor run defense.

  • Teabag

    Oh, another point. Sands gotta go, like yesterday. I am not sure if anybody remembers but there was one play (not sure if it was Coffee still or Robinson at this point) where Sands got penetration on an off tackle run play (!!!).. Sands had a head of steam and as soon as the RB bounced outside he stood up and stopped pursuit.. There was NO effort on the play at all.. Any other play by Sands was agonizing to watch. He gets stood up EVERY play and his legs go stiff. He is pathetic. I have no idea why he is still on this team.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    I think this last preseason game showed that some of our LB’s, (Thomas Howard) are excellent pass defending LB’s but are lacking in the run defense. Greatly lacking.

  • Teabag

    # Oakglenn Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Farrior is bigger than Howard and Alston only goes about 225. Alston is extremely undersized for the position. Of course James Farrior was a lst round pick who is incredibly valuable because he calls all their defensive alignments as well. Farrior is an exceptional player. We don’t have a James Farrior in our front seven.
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    Again, we don’t know that..

    I am not suggesting that anybody would be as effective as a Farrior type. But, we just don’t know because we don’t run it as a base. Howard is a very talented and capable player. He can rush off the edge.. Can trail ANY RB in the league. And is a very intelligent player.

    Alston, who knows. I will give him a pass on yesterdays performance as he is injured.. Plantar Fasciaitis is a very painful injury

  • jhill

    Howard would be just fine in the 3-4, especially since he can cover.

    Alston, just not feeling him. He’s the backup to Ricky Brown at SLB and starting only by default. I was not impressed with him at all. I was actually looking forward to seeing him with the added weight. Now, I’d rather see Slade Norris.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Desmond Bryant would have to play really well against opponent ONES before I anoint him as anything but a long shot. Brandon Myers looks like a very solid player tho. Slade Norris might be a decent player as well.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Teabag Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am

    # Oakglenn Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Farrior is bigger than Howard and Alston only goes about 225. Alston is extremely undersized for the position. Of course James Farrior was a lst round pick who is incredibly valuable because he calls all their defensive alignments as well. Farrior is an exceptional player. We don’t have a James Farrior in our front seven.
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    Again, we don’t know that..
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    We don’t know what? That we don’t have a Farrior type player?

  • jhill

    Sands is already down the depth chart. Joseph and Bryant were the first DTs on the field last night subbing for the starter. they played a lot in the first and 2nd qtr. We did see Sands until the 3rd qtr.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Its disappointing that Slade Norris isn’t pushing the Alston/Brown combo at SLB.

    Hopefully Matt Shaughnessey is the man on the edge. Of course the Raiders can’t find an every down DE to save their life.

    All this emphasis on speed is hurting the team on defense

  • Teabag

    OakGlenn,

    Im saying we don’t know if Howard can become a Farrior type player in a 34..

    As far as being a defensive QB, I doubt he has it in him. The one thing that I never really liked about Howard is that he has never taken the initiative to get people all on the same page. He isn’t a captain.

    So, obviously that isn’t going to change with a switch in defensive scheme.

    Would be nice to see him develop that trait.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Remember S&B Norris is learning a completely new position here at the pro level. That ain’t easy. He was a defensive end in college. When he has been in there at OLB, he has been productive. Of course he is playing against 2′s and scrubs.

  • Teabag

    Norris is playing against 2′s and hopefully with the first teamers with the emergency need at LB due to injury.

    He flies around and wraps up tackles well.

    We need a smart LB on this team though… We haven’t had one since Greg Biekert. Limited athletically but he was invaluable to that defense.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Why is Justin Fargas being used as the red zone running back?

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Well teabag, they play different positions. Farrior plays inside, Howard plays outside because of his speed. Farrior was a bona fide first round choice who greatly excelled, was signed as a free agent by Pittsburgh to command their defense, And ever since he took over, their defense has been amazingly effective including 2 Super Bowl appearences and one SB win. The only player you can really compare him to is Ray Lewis. Farrior is THAT good. Honestly, I don’t know if Thomas Howard or any of our players can command that kind of credentialed respect.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    I think Slade Norris is going to be a good player. I am actually pleasantly surprised at how well he seems to be playing. #276 is exactly right.

  • OAKlifer

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
    Why is Justin Fargas being used as the red zone running back?
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    Would love to hear cables response to this question..Man I hope he gets it figured out….

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Russell is playing a steady game of QB. Like last year, the guy is NOT throwing interceptions.

    That’s huge because it gives the team a chance.

    The key to the pass offense is someone stepping up and being a move the chains type of receiver that Schillens was developing into.

    Russell seems to do ok when there is decent talent on the field with him.

    Also, tell Cable to STOP USING FARGAS IN THE RED ZONE!

  • OAKlifer

    We need a smart LB on this team though… We haven’t had one since Greg Biekert. Limited athletically but he was invaluable to that defense.
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    FRANTZ we need you!!!!!!!!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Oakglenn,

    I would like to see Slade Norris in there with the 1s.

    Let’s see what he can do.

    This defense is shaping up to be a rerun of last year.

    Gotta shake things up a little bit. The linebackers are getting run over out there.

  • Brien the General

    The run defense is just terrible. These excuses for gap discipline and tackling need to go. We lack talent to stop the run. Gerard Warren fukin sucks as a run stuffing DT and they still are running the Al Davis defense. There is no way around this at all

    Russell did ok but still has much work to do. He still gives us the best chance to win. The Garbage-cia interception was what I was expecting since it was his first live action in a while. He badly overthrew a WR that is around his size.

    The rushing offense was awful. The o-line strangely pass blocked better than they ran blocked. DMAC,Fargas,Bush,Rankin and G.Russell all get an F from me. DMAC should still be the starter come San Diego. The o-line looked soft against the 49ers front 7 I tell ya.

    Mario Henderson is the man and dammit I cant wait until Barnes comes back so Green can be benched

    Murphy and Myers look real damn good. I guess as my brother from another mother, Jhill, may be on to something with the one back set and the double TE formation. Good stuff my bruh bruh
    Nick Miller, do you wanna make the team?

  • jhill

    More of an issue than Justin Fargas is the blocking, or lack thereof, from Satele, Carlisle, and Green.

    It was a pathetic performance all around.

  • Brien the General

    The fact that we will play the Al Davis defense means the Raider offense needs to get ahead early in the game so we can play to our strength……the PASS DEFENSE. What’s my point? Farglass cant start because we dont need to try to play that wear down the defense crap. We better be up on the scoreboard so teams dont run it down our throat. The run defense will still be awful

  • RaiderRon

    If this team MUST pass then this team WILL lose.

  • Brien the General

    Jhill, the run blocking was past atrocious. It was disgusting to watch the 49er front 7 punked our o-line like that. I was pissed when Russell and DMAC lost their footing in the same fukin series. DMAC was at least looking better trying to cut than he did last year but still you gotta keep your feet. That would have been a real big play.

  • jhill

    I see were on the same page B …

    Gotta say, I miss Grove seeing Satele.

    I’d like to see Morris get a chance in there, but Satele was worse than Trevor Scott was, IMO.

  • Brien the General

    Rhonda, the team will have to pass at times. I’m not saying pass 40 times a game because Russell aint that type of QB. But 25-30 times a game will have to happen. That threat of the pass must be a viable option. Our o-line is still soft as hell as far as playing a tough front 7.

  • Brien the General

    Grove sucks. I’ll take Satele. At least Satele can get to the 2nd level of a defense. Grove never did that. Grove got beat up all the time and was injury prone. Fuk that punk

  • Florida Pete

    Brien the General Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:45 am

    The rushing offense was awful. The o-line strangely pass blocked better than they ran blocked. DMAC,Fargas,Bush,Rankin and G.Russell all get an F from me. DMAC should still be the starter come San Diego.

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    you wanna give M Bush an F ???

    he only got 3 chances… and averaged 5 yards a carry…

    and your boy DMac… got 5 yards on 4 carries…

  • Brien the General

    Trevor Scott might as well start at RDE. Who the hell else will play there? Ellis? No he is too valuable at LDE. Richardson? That was a joke when he started. He is a backup. WE just gotta wait and see with Scott. He looked better rushing the passer than he did vs Dallas. They were running some stunts which I was happy to see. I still believe he will get about 6-7 sacks this year.

    People want to demote him but its his second season like Russell. Yall preach patience with Russell well dothe same for Scott.

  • Brien the General

    Pete the entire run game deserves an F. No matter what those 3 carries were the entire unit and o-line was sickening

  • Brien the General

    Pete yep DMAC got criticized as well. He is my and your starting RB so yep he is your boy too

  • jhill

    Satele didn’t make one block. He got pancaked by the NT on the 2nd play of the game. He gets to the 2nd level really well, but he doesn’t block anyone when he gets there. Satele was awful!

  • Brien the General

    Did anyone see Oren Oneal missing blocks? I did. Damn shame we dont have Neal. But he was just too slow as some have said

  • Brien the General

    Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.

  • jhill

    I was rooting for Scott big time. It’s just that these past 2 games have really been eye popping. He is getting man handled by TEs, not to mention LTs.

    He was definitely more of a factore rushing the passer this week than he was last. He had a few nice pressures when we went with the stunts. But man up against Staley? Nothing!

    I agree that we don’t need to mess with the left side. I’d like to see Shaugnessy simply because he is a bigger guy.

  • Nnamdi21

    259. Yup. Every one thinks “Just plug one of these guys in and run the 3-4! Yeah…okay…

    See how Denver’s doing with it and how KC will…Denver hasn’t been able to find a good DT for years…

  • Nnamdi21

    Brien the General Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
    Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.

    =============================

    Not exactly. Against Dallas he was out of position several times on run plays and lost contain too.

  • Brien the General

    Yeah Jhill a bigger guy that still wont get pressure against the LT. I’ll stick with Scott. We have no other options

  • Terrapin

    Just write off the playcalling to preseason. It really doesn’t matter. Things are done in preseason that won’t be done the the real games. They’re just figuring things out.

    Brien – Like I said on my 1st post today. Garcia is not right for this offense.

    49ers and Raider (for a while) actually played some really good run defense. So I’m not going to be so tough on the Oline. Some games just go that way where the defenses are playing big. It was good for the Oline to get some work in vs a 34.

    The problem with the run defense is overwhelmingly with RDE. You fix that you fix a lot.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Terrapin,

    The Raiders have been placing a lot of emphasis on stopping the run. The results have been poor.

    Playcalling in preseason only matters in that if you can’t execute now….don’t look for the lights to just come on when the season starts.

  • Brien the General

    # Nnamdi21 Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Brien the General Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
    Satele didnt play well last night I agree. He did the week before. Trust me we upgraded at the C slot since we run the ZBS.

    =============================

    Not exactly. Against Dallas he was out of position several times on run plays and lost contain too.
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    Well you can disagree all you want but watching the game you seen him actually make blocks in a the run and I was quite happy to see he is a much better pass blocker than Grove

  • jhill

    Trevor Scott is obviously going to get a long look at that DE position. And to be fair, the LDE was giving up the same play.

    So it is going to be interesting to see how we try and fix this. Next week will be very telling.

    I personally think we need to line the DEs up a little wider.