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Raiders leaders and trailers

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, August 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Some leaders and trailers with regard to Raiders roster spots and starting roles a day after a 21-20 loss to the 49ers at Candlestick Park:

LEADERS

– WR Louis Murphy. We won’t know for sure until Javon Walker shows what he’s got starting Monday, but he has looked like the rookie wideout most ready to start since the day he arrived. That doesn’t mean Darrius Heyward-Bey won’t play a role _ he will _ but Murphy is doing more than clearing out space at the moment. He’s catching passes and producing.

– DT Desmond Bryant. He is going to be given every opportunity to prove he belongs over the next week, as evidenced by his ascension to the second team. Picked up a half sack along with William Joseph, who also is making a move inside at tackle.

– MLB Ricky Brown. Has had a knack for getting his hands on the ball, whether it be batting down passes like he does in practice, or intercepting a pass and returning it 46 yards, as he did against San Francisco.

– TE Brandon Myers. Was supposed to be a blocker, and maybe he is. But he’s a heck of a receiver, and he’s not simply a block-and-release guy. Myers gets downfield and catches the ball in traffic. The Raiders apparently know how to locate tight ends in the draft.

– RB Michael Bush. Carried three times for 15 yards and it’s his turn to start against New Orleans. Justin Fargas (two carries, three yards) and Darren McFadden (four carries, five yards) couldn’t make any headway against the 49ers. Cable blamed the o-line for high pad level.

– QB Jeff Garcia. Cable saw what he needed to see in the last two minutes of the half. Was beginning to wonder if there was a chance Garcia wouldn’t be on the roster at all because of the length of time he missed. He’ll be the backup, with Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye relatively even for No. 3.

TRAILERS

– WR Nick Miller. A bit of a setback for undrafted free agent from Southern Utah as he averaged 17.2 yards on three kickoff returns and fumbled away a punt return, removing any chance of a Raiders comeback at the end.

– RT Cornell Green. The Raiders don’t seem serious about making Erik Pears a competitor for the starting job. Green was illegally downfield for one penalty and had an illegal formation penalty declined because JaMarcus Russell had tripped and been touched down by Manny Lawson. Those aren’t the penalties of a veteran.

– LB Kirk Morrison. A dislocated left elbow may have given Brown the starting job he’s held for the last three years, but truth be told, Brown has been outplaying him in practice of late, anyway.

– DT Terdell Sands. Bumped to third team and Cable said the move was not related to injury.

– FS Michael Huff. Hiram Eugene has been running with the first team most of the time even when Huff was healthy. With Huff not healthy enough to with a hip injury to face San Francisco, he’ll need to make a few big plays to have a chance to start. Making big plays has never been his specialty as a Raider.

Your own contributions are welcome, of course . . .

No practice today. Conference call with Cable scheduled for 5 p.m. and will relay information later this evening . . .

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  • raidertay

    I thought Kelly and Warren played pretty good. Both those big men look agile batting balls down. 9ers ketp bustin a power sweep, you cant blame that on the DTs. The LBs are suppose to be filling those.

  • Terrapin

    When is 1st cut date? This week?

    I’m watching the Packers vs Buffalo and man that Packers defense is NASTY if this game is any indication. I still like seeing CWood on the field = pretty good blitzer. Wish he were still a Raider to be honest. Its just in him.

  • http://CableBumaye 909RaiderLifer

    Watching the replay sober is a bad idea.

    Our run D is pitiful. Marshall has a LOT of work to do.

  • Richochet

    # priesttj Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    The 49ers first 5 runs at the DT was largely unsuccessful and once Warren and Kelly left for the sidelines that’s when the 49ers running game really took off.
    =====================================
    And you would be wrong.
    Both Warren and Kelly were in until almost the end of the second quarter. While both were in Coffee had numerous runs up the middle, including 18 yd runs, couple 8 yd runs, along with a slew of 5 yd or so.
    Kelly is a joke. A massive blob of a joke.

    While Kelly was in IR, the Raiders D line gave up 4.8 ypc. Al stupidly gave Kelly a huge contract, where he came back for final 7 games or so, where the d line then gave up 5.3 ypc.

    He’s just one of those on that long list of “Al Davis’s Dumb Decisions of 2008″

    BTW..that 31st against the run ranking the Raiders had last year?
    Was WITH KELLY AND WARREN BOTH IN.

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    Calm down O…. we all hate the server

  • http://atm Raider O

    Get Some!!!! Get some MFer (server)!!!

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Every single team in the NFL has issues right now. we are not alone in our struggles.

  • Richochet

    # Terrapin Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Exactly Priest. I was a bit shocked when you went off on the defense when I was actually defending them mostly last night. The DTs definitely were not the problem as you said. It was the flanks – particularly the RDE area – that was the problem.

    The D was stuffing Gore to little or no gains; but when they found TScott, boy was he abused!

    The most discouraging this is that its the TEs doing a good bit of the abusing save the LT.
    ================================
    Stuffing Gore to little to no gains?
    LMAO..uh…sasquatch? Gore was in for ONLY the first series..had two runs…THAT’S IT.
    One for 4 yds. one for 3.
    Missed the “little to nothing” part.

    You must be thinking of McFadden..4 CARRIES FOR 5 YDS..

    See? Now THAT’S little to nothing.

    As stated above, the Raiders did NOTHING in the offseason to shore up arguably the worst d line in the league..and it showed.

  • http://atm Raider O

    I think I may have been too nice!
    It’s time to let My Inter-Monkey out!!!!

    Who’s next???

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    DHB actually ran some great routes and routinely was doubled. He is also a great downfield blocker… I like what I am seeing from this kid. Love to see him run that reverse some time.

  • RaiderRon

    The Raider Run D is getting gashed this preseason. The Raider run d got gashed last season. The Raider run D has gotten gashed for the last 4 or 5 years. The players are pert near the same and so is the D coordinator. So I must ask myself and all you fine gents….. Y are we surprised at whats goin on??

  • Richochet

    # No More Infield or Trolls Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Every single team in the NFL has issues right now. we are not alone in our struggles.
    ==================
    Ahh..the “conceding we suck” but are glad others are also struggling?

    As far as “not alone with our struggles”??

    EVERY single team??

    WTF?

    You’re dreaming.

    You’re the Raiders. Look at the last year of chaos, both on and off the field.
    Hell, just look at last week.

    NO OTHER TEAM COMES CLOSE TO THE ABYSS KNOWN AS THE RAIDERS..none..zero…zip.

    It’s a bottomless pit that just seems to get deeper, and deeper.

    Kind of cool, isn’t it? :)

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    No More Infield or Trolls

    did you hear something??

  • http://atm Raider O

    Listen you Rack O Sh!t,

    Who cares what you think, stop taking at up the a$$, and come here to cry about it!!

    You are a Whinner Fan, and your team is no better.

    I would say go F yourself, but you don’t need me to tell you that.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    No More Infield or Trolls Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    DHB actually ran some great routes and routinely was doubled. He is also a great downfield blocker… I like what I am seeing from this kid. Love to see him run that reverse some time.
    =======================================================
    All good stuff. But we need to see him get catches. We need to see him generate production.

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Crabtree sure looked good last night didn’t he… LOL… he will never ever play for the whiners. what a wasted pick… Nate clements sure proved why he is one of the highest paid cb’s in the league didn’t he? rotflmao!!! guy got beat like a bongo drum… OMG!

  • kidseven

    Other than the obvious advantage of two guys who can catch, does having to talented TEs on the field at once create any mismatches in our favor? I want to get excited about having Myers, but can’t see how we’re going to scare anyone with a 2 TE set.

    I also want to like Cable, but simply can’t accept the Fargas run calls in red zone–is there anyone besides Fargas’s relatives who want to see that call?

  • RogRaiderFan

    Richochet is a lonely charger fan with no friends sad but true

  • RaiderRon

    Most teams do have issues, that is true Troll boy. However, most teams dont have issues at almost every position like the great Oakland Raiders do.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    RaiderRon Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    The Raider Run D is getting gashed this preseason. The Raider run d got gashed last season. The Raider run D has gotten gashed for the last 4 or 5 years. The players are pert near the same and so is the D coordinator. So I must ask myself and all you fine gents….. Y are we surprised at whats goin on??
    =======================================================
    1. New Defensive Coordinator and New Head Coach

    2. Focus on fundamentals: Remember those walk-throughs. Again, we were told that Rob Ryan was a disaster and a focus on fundamentals was all that was needed

    3. Cable said the talent is already on the team and no need to draft at certain positions for upgrades.

    I am surprised by what I have seen the first 2 wks. The good news is its still a little early to pass final verdicts one way or the other.

    But the defense has some work to do.

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Ignore the trolls and the racist ron as well… no place for that here. we are all adults and simply debating a sports team. why make it so personal if someone disagrees with a point of view?

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Later fellas… Off for a swim in freezing lake tahoe!

  • RaiderRon

    SnB,

    1- Al Davis is the d-coordinator. Dont get it twisted.
    2- Cable said the talent is there? OK, great. He IS known for his personel evaluating skills. LOL

    Your surprised? No your not, your not stupid enough to be surprised.

  • http://atm Raider O

    My inter-Monkey is going off on the Retard, and the b!tch…

    Someone should help them!!!!

    Who’s next???

  • RaiderRon

    I dont care whats offensive to you. Your stupid posts are offensive to me. If it werent for RaiderO and his posts, you would be the dumbest poster on this site.

  • RaiderRon

    Raider o,

    Your the biggest clown on this site. You already admit to be a world class homer and youve proven time and time again you dont know shitt. (Frantz Joseph, LOL!) You never can actually argue any point and are kind of the loveable dumb ass of the board. Why try and be Mr Tough guy now?? LOL!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Retard Ron,

    I’m not mad at you, I understand!!!

    You are a R E T A R D, but you try…..
    God bless you little Retard, you give the rest of the retards hope.

    Go Retard!!!!

  • Glutten for Punishment

    i dont agree on nick miller as a trailer. so he fumbled. they all do. i think he can be a welker type guy.

  • Richochet

    # 909RaiderLifer Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    For those of you who can get it, KTLA is showing a re-play of the game NOW…
    =============================
    Replay??
    You want to see that again? lol..uh..why?

    That was about as embarrassing an outing as you’ll likely get.
    Ok, I lied. You’re the Raiders. You can do worse.

    But hard to believe, actually.

    I mean, some here were predicting how the Raiders 3 headed “RB MONSTER” was going to shred the Niners d line.

    Gosh..let’s evaluate that.
    Bush 15 yds.
    McFadden 5 yds.
    Fargas 3 yds.

    23 yds..9 CARRIES…

    That was ugly.

    Raiders top 3 RB’s on the day got 23 yds.

    Niners top 3 rb’s on the day? Got 277 YARDS.

    Against the Niners scrubs, most who won’t make the team, in the 3rd quarter Bush managed two carries, 5 yds…

    Coffee, in consecutive carries, got 18, 18 and 36 yds.

    Oh..and Coffee isn’t the starter, lol.

    Oh, and it wasn’t just a ROOKIE RB who shredded the Raiders for 129 in little more than a quarter..after Coffee, his replacement Robinson got 97, and hell, his replacement, Sheets, another ROOKIE, got more than 3 times what your leading rusher got.

    Yep, lol…UGLY..to the bone.

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    bawwhahahahahaha

    go tard!

    ——————

    O its not nice to pick on the tarded..

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Ban the Racist Ron jerry… we don’t deserve that crap…

  • http://atm Raider O

    Frantz!!! Retard you are too much!!!
    Go Retard!!!!

    LMAO

    Who’s next?
    I’m done with the Retard!

  • RaiderRon

    Ban the idiots Jerry. We dont deserve that crap.

    Trolls,

    If you aint a slant eye or a border jumper what do you care?

  • Richochet

    # Raider O Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Listen you Rack O Sh!t,

    Who cares what you think, stop taking at up the a$$, and come here to cry about it!!

    You are a Whinner Fan, and your team is no better.

    I would say go F yourself, but you don’t need me to tell you that.
    ————————
    Are you crying??

    There’s no crying in football.

    Don’t be bitter.

    You’re team sucked.
    Your running game was exposed as a joke.
    Your #1 draft pick DIDN’T CATCH A SINGLE BALL..
    Your D line is even worse than last year, and no one thought that possible.
    In the red zone, you’re probably the worst team in the NFL.
    Other teams have career rushing days against you..and no doubt LT is drooling just thinking about MNF.

    Oh hell..never mind…cry, bitch…cry…like only you can.

    Someone give O a towel, please?

  • RaiderRon

    ” Frants Joseph will start for the Raiders @MLB. IMO.” said RaiderO. LOL! Good call!!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    408,

    I love it!!!!
    Hunting these Retarda is the next step!

    12 gauge, Slugs, and keep on shooting the Retard!

    RR,

    Let’s go Hunting!!! Tard Hunting!!!

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Rack o poop for as bad as you say we were then why did the whiners only win by one point.. Your best corner got shredded like lettuce and your best qb is a late round draft pick with a learning disorder… be afraid be very afraid. if you’re lucky though maybe your coach will pull his pants down again…

  • http://atm Raider O

    Rack o Crap,

    That’s the best you ca do!!! Towel!!!!

    LMAO

    You are too weak Biotch, I’m done with you too!!
    Towel!!!
    LMAO
    So you Are a B!otch and a Retard!!

  • Mistabrown

    DHB & Crab had similar nights.
    0 catches for 0 yards

    # No More Infield or Trolls Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Crabtree sure looked good last night didn’t he… LOL… he will never ever play for the whiners. what a wasted pick… Nate clements sure proved why he is one of the highest paid cb’s in the league didn’t he? rotflmao!!! guy got beat like a bongo drum… OMG!

  • Richochet

    # No More Infield or Trolls Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Crabtree sure looked good last night didn’t he… LOL… he will never ever play for the whiners. what a wasted pick… Nate clements sure proved why he is one of the highest paid cb’s in the league didn’t he? rotflmao!!! guy got beat like a bongo drum… OMG!
    ====================================
    Crabtree, getting ZERO DOLLARS FROM THE NINERS, caught zero balls.

    Bey, getting a GUARANTEED 23 MILLION from the Raiders, also caught ZERO BALLS.

    In TWO GAMES, your “deep threat”..the guy who was going to ‘stretch the field” has amassed all of 4 YARDS on ONE CATCH…whooooooo hooooooooooo lol…
    Great signing, Raiders.

    Clements got beat??
    huh??? No he didn’t, fool. Being beat is different then a miscommunication. Damn..you would think even Raider fans would know that, but obviously being a Raider fan and understanding the game will never be confused as being an automatic.

    Roman was supposed to drift over. He didn’t.
    Be thankful for that. If not for the miscommunication, Russell would have had a totally shit game.

    BTW..THAT WAS THE ONLY COMPLETION MADE TO A RAIDER WR ALL NIGHT..and that was a freebie.

    In other words, if Russell can’t dump it off, he’s in big trouble.

  • http://atm Raider O

    N M I O T,

    Yeah Boyyyyyy!!!!!

    Let the Retard B!otch have it, it’s fun.

  • Sweep The Leg.

    Our run D has some serious issues. An honest look at it leaves me with some uncomfortable conclusions.

    1) Trevor Scott is a rush end, not a run stuffer.

    2) Thomas Howard is not Rod Martin.

    3) We haven’t had a good SLB since Romonowski.

    4) We haven’t had a run stopper at MLB since Biekert.

    5) I actually think Warren is an above average DT,
    but Kelly is not worth half his contract.

    The bottom line is this, we have a speed oriented defense that won’t stop the run until we get some thumpers in the rotation.

    Cable will have to prove me wrong that the talent exists on this roster.

    I hope I am wrong or it’s gonna be a long year.

  • Richochet

    # Raider O Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Rack o Crap,

    That’s the best you ca do!!! Towel!!!!

    LMAO

    You are too weak Biotch, I’m done with you too!!
    Towel!!!
    LMAO
    So you Are a B!otch and a Retard!!==============
    ==============================
    Done? lol… you sniveling little bitch..you never stepped up..how can you be “done”??
    You’re a coat tail poster, like many here.
    You wait for others to speak, then you hang on.

    Called no spine.

    Hell yes, you’re done, fool.

    I don’t want ball less little bitches clogging up the space. Stay where it’s safe. Never contribute, so that you never have to back up your words.

    World needs followers. Congrats on finding your niche.

    and yeah, moron..”towel”..you cry like a little bitch means you get a crying towel.

    Leave it to you to need that explained…

    Geez..another “not the sharpest tack” Raider fan, lol..

  • Richochet

    # Raider O Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    N M I O T,

    Yeah Boyyyyyy!!!!!

    Let the Retard B!otch have it, it’s fun.

    ===================
    Just as I’m posting that you’re a “coat tail poster” where you wait for others to post so you can jump on???

    YOU DID EXACTLY THAT.

    Am I good, or what?

  • http://atm Raider O

    Our team has problems, but the Whinners don’t!!!

    You are too retarded to notice that your team is not better.

  • Richochet

    # RaiderRon Says:
    August 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Raider o,

    Your the biggest clown on this site. You already admit to be a world class homer and youve proven time and time again you dont know shitt. (Frantz Joseph, LOL!) You never can actually argue any point and are kind of the loveable dumb ass of the board. Why try and be Mr Tough guy now?? LOL!
    ===============================
    Interesting.
    My sentiments exactly about Raider ‘O”, more commonly known as ZERO.

    Although I thought Glenn was the biggest clown on the site?

  • RaiderRon

    Glenn knows a BIT about football. Raider 0 knows nothing.

  • RaiderRon

    The dude actually predicted that Frantz Joseph would start at LB for the Raiders. LOL!

  • http://atm Raider O

    I’m my ol Country, we throw rocks at retards till they stop, or die!!!

    You are lucky retard! In this country retards have computers!!

    I don’t need help to F B!otches, but in your case I run the train on your a$$!!!

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Rack o poop obviously you must have been wacking off on your crabtree poster when clements was hanging on the higgins jersey for the hold. Nice coverage on murphys td as well. shredded like lettuce!!!! Next…