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Training camp highlights, lowlights

Some training camp highlights and lowlights as the Raiders resume the preseason Friday with a walkthrough in Alameda:

Top offensive player: RB Darren McFadden. Not the clear-cut choice he was last year, but the pre-turf toe explosion around the edge is back. As for his hands, there are Raiders scouts who believe he’d be a terrific wide receiver.

“However coach (Tom) Cable feels like he wants to split the carries or however he wants to split the time is fine because eventually we’re all going to have to get out there and play,” McFadden said Thursday addressing the breakdown of how to use the backfield.

Job 1 for Cable is to make sure McFadden touches the ball 20 times per game. A 15-rush, five-reception minimum is a good place to start. Work Michael Bush and Justin Fargas in around that framework.

Top defensive player: The best defensive player, and it’s not even close, is cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. But Asomugha missed a lot of snaps and is essentially on his own schedule to make sure he’s ready to go in Week 1. So we’ll go instead with strong safety Tyvon Branch, who never missed a single snap.

For a guy who missed half the season following shoulder surgery and was primarily a special teams player, Branch stepped into a starting role and looked as if he’d done it for three years. The Raiders loved him for his physicality last year, but he’s proven to be good in coverage during camp, probably leading the team in interceptions.

Branch admits he wasn’t sure what to think when the Raiders made Mike Mitchell, a classic strong safety, their second round pick, but was pleasantly surprised when he was told going into the season it was his job to lose.

He played cornerback at UConn and was a linebacker in high school, so strong safety has been a good fit.

Most improved: QB JaMarcus Russell. Not improved from the end of last season until now, but from two weeks ago until now.

Russell admitted he was heavy when he arrived in camp, Cable later confirmed he had talked to him about it, and on a few occasions during the offseason the coach dropped hints that the face of the franchise needed to assume a leadership role and be the hardest working and most dedicated guy in the building.

Over the last two weeks, Russell looks as if he’s been doing something right behind the scenes, because quarterbacks don’t just get better overnight even if it appears that way. Russell is far from a finished product, but at least now he looks capable of giving the Raiders their first respectable passing offense in three years.

“Guys in the last week or so have been on the same page, moving faster than we’ve moved (before),” Russell said. “I think that’s what you’re seeing out there.”

Best camp rookie: WR Louis Murphy. Murphy, a fourth-round pick out of Florida, has exhibited very good hands, picked up things quickly and runs with a natural glide as he turns the corner after catching a crossing route. Missed a few days of practice after a hip injury against Dallas, but has had very few subpar days _ rare for a rookie.

Roughest start: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey looked to be carrying the weight of his $23.5 million guarantee on his shoulders, dropping by one count 11 passes in his first three sessions. The very first pass thrown his way _ hardly fair because he came out later after signing and hadn’t warmed up _ clanked off his hands.

After one drop-filled practice, Heyward-Bey and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal were brought over to the golf cart containing Al Davis for a chat.

“He just told me, we know who you are, we know how you play, just do what you do,” Heyward-Bey said.

The silver lining? The first practices set the bar so low Heyward-Bey had nowhere to go but up. And go up he did. He still drops a pass or two every practice and it will likely be a recurring theme.

But he’s also begun to accelerate into the ball of late and look capable of making some big plays.

Best practice scuffle: Murphy vs. Mitchell. On reporting day, Mitchell jokingly called out Murphy because he was talking too much about Florida and giving no respect to Ohio University.

Murphy was blocking Mitchell one day when suddenly fists started flying. Murphy lost his helmet, then swung and hit Mitchell in the helmet with his bare hand. Fortunately he wasn’t injured.

Jon Alston was involved in a skirmish or three, but it was a fairly calm camp in terms of fisticuffs.

Most disappointing injuries: WR Chaz Schilens and SS Mike Mitchell. Schilens was the best receiver in camp and it wasn’t even close. More than that, he was the best player in camp. At any position. He sustained a broken fifth metatarsal while running a pass pattern, had a screw inserted in his foot, and the best-case scenario has him out for the first two games.

Mitchell, hampered by hamstring injuries both before his Pro Day and again at minicamp, has been shut down and Cable seems unsure when he’ll return. He’s got the classic build of a strong safety, a lust for contact and an engaging, positive personality. But Mitchell is also extremely raw and has missed valuable time needed to prove himself as one of the draft’s most controversial picks.

Best undrafted free agents: DT Desmond Bryant and WR Nick Miller. Listen to Cable for five minutes and it’s tough to conclude anything other than the fact that Bryant is on the verge of pushing Terdell Sands right off the roster. Bryant hasn’t been overwhelmed by the NFL and doesn’t pretend to be.

“Surprisingly (the transition) hasn’t been as bad as I thought,” Bryant said. “The speed of the game is a little faster, the biggest thing is technique.I could use that more.”

Miller, listed at 5-foot-9, 180 pounds, looks like one of the ball boys until he gets the ball in his hands. If the Raiders weren’t serious about keeping Miller, they wouldn’t be running so many reverses and schemes that play to his strength.

“I’ve left everything out on the field and I’ve got no regrets,” Miller said. They’re putting in plays that acclimate me to the game and put me in position to make big plays. That’s awesome for me. Any time I have the ball in my hands, I have a chance to make a big play.”

Most surprising development: TE Brandon Myers, who was talked up as a blocker by Cable after the draft, looks to be as sure-handed as starter Zach Miller. Nice catch on a sixth-round pick. Enough to make you forget the guy picked three spots ahead of him, defensive end Stryker Sulak, cut before camp began.

Most artificial competitions: Russell vs. Jeff Garcia at QB; Mario Henderson vs. Khalif Barnes at LT. Never mind the pre-camp chatter. The only way Russell and Henderson weren’t starting was because of injury or personal catastrophe. That Garcia (calf) and Barnes (ankle) got hurt only gave the battles earlier clarity. And both backups could be valuable. Interesting to see if Barnes simply settles in as a backup left tackle or considers learning the right side.

Most surprising competition: Chris Johnson vs. Stanford Routt at CB; Ricky Brown vs. Kirk Morrison at MLB. Johnson signed a four-year deal with a $4 million signing bonus, seemingly cementing his status opposite Asomugha. Instead, Cable said Routt continues to press the issue and it’s not decided. Still think it’ll be Johnson starting with Routt in the slot as the nickel back.

Cable judged Morrison to be in the lead at the time he sustained a dislocated elbow, but the veteran is a little dismayed that after leading the Raiders in tackles for the last three years, he was splitting time with Brown.

Most disheartening practice: During the end of a morning session on Aug. 19, the 49ers defense destroyed the Raiders offense in a red zone drill, intercepting Russell and Bruce Gradkowski four times. It wasn’t much better in drills and team sessions leading up to the finale.

Most embarrassing moment: LB Brown was destroyed by 49ers RB Frank Gore, and much hooting and hollering ensued.

Most effective assistant coach: QB coach Paul Hackett. To say Hackett is a stickler for details is an understatement. Never mind being pushed by Garcia. Russell is learning just about everything there is to know about playing quarterback by one of the best technicians in the business.

Every day, the quarterbacks meet for mini-clinic on some facet of the position, and sometimes you’re close enough to hear it. Hackett drills them on footwork issues, how they walk to and from a huddle, and has them recite plays, making sure they enunciate clearly and speak with authority.

Best cure for insomnia: Cable’s “learning phase. Four days of double sessions where plays weren’t run to their conclusion, with footwork, choreography and knowledge are stressed above all else. Cable and the players seemed to swear by it, but it was “Dancing with the Stars” in uniform. And at half-speed.

Best comeback: FB Oren O’Neal and WR Javon Walker. Personally, I didn’t think either would be much of a factor. O’Neal would be given more time to heal from a debilitating knee injury with the arrival of Lorenzo Neal. As for Walker, I’d pretty much written him off after all of last season’s trevails.

Wrong, and wrong again.

Least likely to complain to the NLRB: Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski. Ah, the life of a kicker. They don’t do much, and give way to Ricky Schmitt whenever they please. Lechler somehow managed end up with a groin injury from all the standing around.

Most predictable dump jobs: No shows to anything voluntary, Derrick Burgess was finally shown the door for a third-round pick and a fifth-round pick (now that the Patriots have acquired a fifth-round pick by trade, it goes to Oakland) and Andrew Walter was cut. He wound with the Patriots as well.

Most miles on the odometer: FB Lorenzo Neal was put on injured reserve (and later received an injury settlement) after a hamstring injury, but the Raiders had already determined he was running on empty. He’s talking retirement.

Most welcome development: It was all quiet on the Mario Henderson front, as Lane Kiffin’s media punching bag enjoyed an extremely quiet camp _ always a good thing for an offensive lineman.

Least vital organ: Robert Gallery lost an appendix and a handful of practice sessions, but little else.

Best clip-and-save quote: “I’m telling you, we are going to pressure teams. I can see it in John’s eyes,” linebacker Thomas Howard, convinced defensive coordinator John Marshall will bring the house with all manner of blitzes.

Most invisible formation: No Wildcat sightings in Napa.

Most potentially overblown story: Cable’s alleged tussle with defensive backs assistant Randy Hanson became a lead story on SportsCenter right up there with Vick and Favre. And if the Napa police don’t find Hanson credible, it all goes away . . . of course, if they find evidence to implicate Cable, it becomes the . . .

Most potentially damaging story: The only way Cable vs. Hanson is an issue is if the head coach is prosecuted by law enforcement and/or suspended by the league. Otherwise, the situation is light years from the Kiffin-Al Davis standoff that sent last season into the toilet.

Best spontaneous comedy: “Cable, bomaye, Cable, bomaye.”

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  • Thec07

    O, what up brother….Everything good with you?

  • Thec07

    Does NMILLER remind you the slot guy that plays for the chetriots? cant remember his name walker, walter, welker or something or another….

  • OAKlifer

    O,

    Everything ok brother????

    hey I know Dude is back but dnt off ur self man…..

  • AZ Raider

    David White twitters: DHB and Murphy get the start again tomorrow. Walker will have to wait till he has the route tree and timing down before he gets started being the COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR ;) .

  • AZ Raider

    Welker!

    I hope you are signed up for our fantasy league if you dont know his name Thec LOL.

  • AZ Raider

    He only lead the entire league in receptions last year…

  • AZ Raider

    but yes, he reminds me a bit like Welker but can do MORE. Ever see Welker line up as a HB? heheheheh!

  • OAKlifer

    I hope you are signed up for our fantasy league if you dont know his name Thec LOL.

    *********************
    Ahhh the ‘ole no sarcasim button got ya AZ!!!!!!

  • beeecham

    Whoa, looks like Raider O is hopped up on whippets, bad beef jerky and reruns of the 700 Club.

    Speaking of weirdos gone wild, looks like Krappy is hell bent on proving blog discrimination based on his posts getting denied. Man, if that old goat spent more time in bed and less time with his head in the microwave he might actually come close to making a rational point.

    And as a reminder, we’re probably only minutes away from Krappy’s cousin Brian the Genital waltzing into the blog for his standard Friday humiliation session.

    That silly little dude just cracks me up!

  • AZ Raider

    I figured LOL

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    63 = 53 + 10 interns.

  • Thec07

    I gotta jet, u guys keep holding it down…..

    RRRRRRAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDDEEEEERRRSSSSSSSSSS…….

  • AZ Raider

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
    63 = 53 + 10 interns.
    ………………………………………

    63 = 53 + 9 DB’s and Danny Southwick. Thought you’d be on that bandwagon Bo! ;)

    JK

  • http://atm Raider O

    I’m ok my brotheres, but I worry about us.
    I wasn’t talking about religion, but I was talking about compassion!!!

    Compassion!!!! Try to remember it brotheres.
    Compassion to your human brothers and sisters.

    Thank you for asking, and I hope all is well with all of you.

  • Florida Pete

    okay… i get it…

    Raider O wants someone to buy him a drink…

  • AZ Raider

    Raider O Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am
    I’m ok my brotheres, but I worry about us.
    I wasn’t talking about religion, but I was talking about compassion!!!

    Compassion!!!! Try to remember it brotheres.
    Compassion to your human brothers and sisters.

    Thank you for asking, and I hope all is well with all of you.
    ………………………………………………

    Raider O,

    Remember the book I told you about? I’m telling you, you wouldn’t worry after reading it.

    “The Devine Matrix”

    Author: Gregg Braden

    Changed my life (or at least my perspective) NO JOKE!

  • lefty12

    M.Mitchell probably won’t be on the final 53 man roster.looks like he is headed for the IR.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Raider O Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
    I never felt ashamed of being a human, as much as I do now.
    We don’t live forever, you can’t take your stuff were you going, so please wake up! Wake up!!!

    We are all going to die, and we can’t take our money, castles, Women, children, or anything with us!!!

    It’s a short life, so don’t get fooled with it. There are trees that live longer than us.

    We need all the help we can get!
    Please, please, Wake up!!!!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I’m not sure I follow. Are you asking Al to get us a DT?

  • Florida Pete

    and a middle linebacker !!!!

  • Raider Dell

    Lefty 12

    Why do you believe that scenario? Mitchell is having hammy issues, yes they can take time to heal. Unless the Raiders aren’t disclosing the real injury, like a muscle tear, a strained hammy should heal in weeks.

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com Silver-n-Black666

    Beechum that is funny!

    One day I am going to be on the 700 club! When that Arab jesus comes back. I will go to Home Depot and get me some 9 inch nails and nail that j3w back to the cross.

    Pat Robertson and the rest of teh 700 club will be mad at me and have to put me on thier show, with a hammer in my hand!

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com Silver-n-Black666

    Sorry if I offended anyone it was meant to be funny!

    I hate that Pat Robertson though…..

  • AZ Raider

    317.lefty12 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
    M.Mitchell probably won’t be on the final 53 man roster.looks like he is headed for the IR.

    ……………………………………………….

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    We need him for week 8!

  • Richochet

    1. MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 3:55 am
    Just to clear up some Bill Walsh talk for the meatheads…
    This is from the article that named Al Davis the most significant sports figure in the Bay Area of the 20th century…
    “He was one of the great coaches I have ever observed … a truly great coach,” 49ers president and former Davis employee Bill Walsh says. “Had he chosen to remain in coaching, he would
    be considered one of the great coaches of all time.”
    In this article, 12-29-00, from the Press Democrat this is what Mike Lombardi said…
    “I always wanted to work with Al because of Bill Walsh.”…”When I was with the 49ers,” Lombardi said, “I would drive Bill from place to place, and I’d ask him about football. It’s hard for Bill to share his knowledge. One time he said, ‘The most football I learned was working at the Raiders.’”
    =======================================
    =============================================
    Wrong. What he said is he learned more with the Raider than he did with all of his years IN COLLEGE..See..was his first time in the NFL.
    Now, you little twaddles seem so intent on wanting to believe this..but..really sorry about this..but time I torch that little bridge you hold so desperately to.

    Book: THE GENIUS-BILL WALSH
    Chapter: “Climbing the ladder”
    Pge: 41 Bill Walsh described the philosophy he learned about offense was first developed by the legendary Sid Gillman at the Chargers. This philosophy was handed on to Rauch. Sid Gillman was commonly referred to as “the father of the modern passing game” and Walsh found his first exposure to Gillman’s system “an eye opener as to what was possible offensively. What everybody else was doing was primitive compared to Gillman’s concepts..

    PAGE 42, SECOND PARAGRAPH:
    “Other than the Gillman epiphany, however, Walsh’s Raiders experience was the worst in his ten tears as a coach. “The atmosphere there was not healthy, in terms of how they treated people and how they tried to get loyalty, trust, and respect out of their people. It was very formative in a very negative way. I learned a lot about how not to run a team.”

    Sorry ladies, but..what else do you need? THIS IS IN THE BOOK..not from some flake like Lombardi, or cohn, of all people who want to pass on “feel good ” stories.

    WALSH QUIT THE RAIDERS AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR..and contemplated getting out of coaching COMPLETELY because his experience was SO BAD.

    I’m sorry..you’re confused.
    You think I made this up..so..yes…go to the library, check out “The GENIUS” and go to page 41, and 42..then say to yourself ‘Oh damn…I didn’t know that. He’s right.”

    Yeah, I know.

  • lefty12

    Dell,he is a raw rookie who hasn’t been able to practice at all.the hammy has been bothering him since OTAs.would he be able to step in and play with no practice?i doubt it,so i could see us putting him on IR this year.

  • AZ Raider

    Brien,

    I think you hurt his sole….

  • Richochet

    1. GalacticGus Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
    hang in there real raider fans.. the haters and trolls do not understand how the universe, life and even football works in cycles. The greats will come back and reclaim their throne. Al might be a bit of a senile ol’ man focused on winning.. but he is a still an extraordinary senile ol genius of a man still focused on winning who might slip at times, but can still learn from mistakes and get it right. slowly but surely its what we have been doing.
    they say the vertical offenses and man to man is outdated and that we have not caught up with the innovations of the nfl in the free agency era.
    free agency shot us in the foot in recent years as well as helped reach and win in the playoffs. eventually, these old age views is going to catch up to the rest of the league and smash em in the mouth like an unexpected lightning storm coming fierce like a blitz of the raider speed! these pansies and divas seeking higher contracts are the epitome of what wrong with are league are going to be cold clocked by men with character who are appreciative of what is given to them. that sounds like the heart of a warrior ready to pounce on them bitches.
    think of it like alternative medicine thats been around since ancient times.. its old.. but it is actually better than modern innovation.. over thinking and will eventually be whipped by raw fundamentals and natural instincts… as opposed to over thinking!
    ===========================
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Let’s see if I have this right, Gus.
    You’re saying Al is as old as the hills? CHECK.
    You’re saying Al’s way of doing things is outdated and archaic? CHECK
    You’re saying that Al is a genius but a REALLY OLD genius who forgets where he is at times? CHECK.
    You’re saying ‘slowly but surely you’ll get it right”?? Define ‘slowly”..
    You’re saying that Al’s OLD AGE VIEWS show that the NFL has past him by, a LONG TIME AGO, but..BUT..that you subscribe to the notion that everything that was archaic has a way of coming back? Like bell bottoms? Hotpants? 8 track tape players? 70’s football?

    Hotpants…maybe.

    And..YOU’RE SAYING THAT instead of brain surgery, we should go back to drilling holes in skulls to “release the demons”??

    Dude..YOU’VE BEEN READING TOO MANY COMIC BOOKS..
    Funny stuff..(keeping my fingers crossed on that hot pants thang, though ;) )

  • AZ Raider

    soul?

  • AZ Raider

    Haha, rackoshit’s gonna resort to name calling because he has nothing on Brien, the Nation OR Al Davis.

  • AZ Raider

    Be gone Pushmyshit… You’ve been getting punked by brein for like 3 days now. Don’t cry about it. Be a Raider fan.

  • OAKlifer

    Greenwood Miller Boyd Meyers Rankin

    Are all bubble players I would like to see make the team…..How ever I belive Baker over Boyd is a better Add depth win now move..I like Boyds up side alot the kid flys around and makes plays…(seen him play live in Ore.)

    And Of course anyone over Sands would be good at this point…….

  • Richochet

    HoweDy Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 7:42 am
    @Richochet
    You clearly have a sad existence. I am refering to you, not the 9ers, not anything to do with football, just you. I don’t understand why:
    A) You think your opinion impacts any of these Raiders fans, who clearly have there minds made up on this years team, and only results will improve or regress any derived opinion

    Richochet: REALLY?? No impact??? None? YOU SURE?
    You have ONE POST on this thread..out of hundreds posted here..ONE…to me. :)
    CLEARLY YOU ARE IMPACTED.
    Next-
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    B) You think you are intelligent clearly, however the remedial way you banter with everyone proves without a doubt you are far from

    Richochet: No, YOU clearly think I’m intelligent. See, I’ve NEVER stated as such..however, YOU just did. Means YOU believe I am, and assume I feel the same way. Considering that you’re only post here is TO ME, I suspect you just might be right on this one.
    Oh..before I forget..THANKS :)

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    C) You have enough time in your life to argue with up to five raider fans at once. Get a job or something you cretin

    Richochet: Ah..so you equate typing replies to 5 different comments directed AT ME is somehow different if..oh..say..a poster posts a dozen or more at just one poster?

    What you mean to say is “he must type fast” You would be right. Thinking fast also helps..but..somehow..I know I’ve already lost you, haven’t I?
    Regardless..I have a fan..and it’s just as sweet as it could be..right pumpkin?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@2

    D) You don’t understand how may people are reading your online tantrums, and wondering what kind of deranged and pasty problem child you were/still are?

    Richochet: The most important thing is that not only you’ve proven that YOU do just that, but you think “I’m smart.”
    Gosh..I’m beginning to feel..well…special.
    Thanks…you big lug..
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    E) When the last time you got layed was. Judging from the angst of your posts maybe the day is yet to come… or maybe you’re disjointed from an excess of rough SF lovin

    Richochet: Ahh..and the coup de’ grace’..the ultimate “I can’t think of anything to say” comment. First off..what’s “layed”?? Oh..you mean “laid”.

    Weak..juvenile kiddy 5th grade level weak.

    HEY?? Is this your first time posting here? Ever? lol..and you sign on just to cry that Richochet is a big meany, and you just wish I would ‘stop it..STOP IT RIGHT NOW”??

    Hey, when you get out of school, and get your homework done, I want you to put on your big boy pants, and come back here and just give me a “piece of your mind”.

    Oh..and thanks again for the compliments.
    And no, you can’t have an autograph..
    I hate it when posters do that…

  • Richochet

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
    Jhill: you’ve proven yourself to be a real man

    at least you attempted the 53 man roster
    ====================
    lol..uh..to YOU..picking a 53 man roster makes someone a “real man’??

    This is definitely an odd bunch here.

  • Richochet

    tazZraider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
    Richochet Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    also ricochet read post 150. It doesn’t matter if bill walsh was an rb assistant coach that doesn’t mean hes gonna not learn the offense. You are still evading the fact that Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis. “The most football I learned was with the Raiders”, Bill Walsh said that and your saying that just because rauch was the coach he didn’t learn anything form Davis? You really stupid for thinking that and pathetic because you just can’t escape the fact that Al Davis mentored the greatest coach in your team’s history. A fact is a fact man, don’t try to evade with some lame excuses with sid gilman teachin walsh the offense, well guess what? Your wrong and probably ashamed that Al Davis taught Bill Walsh “everything he knew about football”.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    Guess you feel pretty damn stupid after reading post 326, don’t you?

    Again, just for you…GENIUS-BILL WALSH..page 41 and 42.

    Then walk around for an hour, muttering “duh”.

    Let me know when you’re done.

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  • tazZraider

    Richochet Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    tazZraider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
    Richochet Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    also ricochet read post 150. It doesn’t matter if bill walsh was an rb assistant coach that doesn’t mean hes gonna not learn the offense. You are still evading the fact that Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis. “The most football I learned was with the Raiders”, Bill Walsh said that and your saying that just because rauch was the coach he didn’t learn anything form Davis? You really stupid for thinking that and pathetic because you just can’t escape the fact that Al Davis mentored the greatest coach in your team’s history. A fact is a fact man, don’t try to evade with some lame excuses with sid gilman teachin walsh the offense, well guess what? Your wrong and probably ashamed that Al Davis taught Bill Walsh “everything he knew about football”.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    Guess you feel pretty damn stupid after reading post 326, don’t you?

    Again, just for you…GENIUS-BILL WALSH..page 41 and 42.

    Then walk around for an hour, muttering “duh”.

    Let me know when you’re done.

    ===========================
    Rackoshit,

    No I don’t because first off your a dumbass for saying that Bill walsh wanted to leave the raiders because the experience was bad. That’s #1. No. 2 is that your still dumb because you still haven’t answered all of my questions and you came trying to change things up like sayin’ “sid gilman and john rauch taught bill walsh” no you idiotic piece of shit and i don’t know how many times i gots to tell you that sid gilman was davis’ mentor and trained al davis in the vertical offense and davis passed it on to rauch. oh and i read post 326 and your the one who is still feeling stupid just go search up the sid gilman coaching tree and it’ll tell you all you fukin pansy.

  • GalacticGus

    # Richochet Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    1. GalacticGus Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
    hang in there real raider fans.. the haters and trolls do not understand how the universe, life and even football works in cycles. The greats will come back and reclaim their throne. Al might be a bit of a senile ol’ man focused on winning.. but he is a still an extraordinary senile ol genius of a man still focused on winning who might slip at times, but can still learn from mistakes and get it right. slowly but surely its what we have been doing.
    they say the vertical offenses and man to man is outdated and that we have not caught up with the innovations of the nfl in the free agency era.
    free agency shot us in the foot in recent years as well as helped reach and win in the playoffs. eventually, these old age views is going to catch up to the rest of the league and smash em in the mouth like an unexpected lightning storm coming fierce like a blitz of the raider speed! these pansies and divas seeking higher contracts are the epitome of what wrong with are league are going to be cold clocked by men with character who are appreciative of what is given to them. that sounds like the heart of a warrior ready to pounce on them bitches.
    think of it like alternative medicine thats been around since ancient times.. its old.. but it is actually better than modern innovation.. over thinking and will eventually be whipped by raw fundamentals and natural instincts… as opposed to over thinking!
    ===========================
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Let’s see if I have this right, Gus.
    You’re saying Al is as old as the hills? CHECK.
    You’re saying Al’s way of doing things is outdated and archaic? CHECK
    You’re saying that Al is a genius but a REALLY OLD genius who forgets where he is at times? CHECK.
    You’re saying ‘slowly but surely you’ll get it right”?? Define ‘slowly”..
    You’re saying that Al’s OLD AGE VIEWS show that the NFL has past him by, a LONG TIME AGO, but..BUT..that you subscribe to the notion that everything that was archaic has a way of coming back? Like bell bottoms? Hotpants? 8 track tape players? 70’s football?

    Hotpants…maybe.

    And..YOU’RE SAYING THAT instead of brain surgery, we should go back to drilling holes in skulls to “release the demons”??

    Dude..YOU’VE BEEN READING TOO MANY COMIC BOOKS..
    Funny stuff..(keeping my fingers crossed on that hot pants thang, though ;) )
    **********************
    Richochet, to compare 70′s fashion trends to football trends is irrelevant.
    and about alternative medicine, who is talking about drilling holes in the scull? I am talking acupuncture and rain forest herbs as opposed to chemotherapy or dialysis. Its a medical establishment sham if you ask me.
    and I said slowly but surely,.. and slowly can mean 6 years or 8 years…. like a financial investment, its gains are slow, but eventually, it takes off exponentially.
    so, Al is a crazy ol man. A mad rocket scientist, well.. is still a rocket scientist.
    with the right, components, it can work and the whole of Raider Nation will be laughing like madmen at chumps like you.
    you might see the team is nothing but track stars. the fact is, they are still football players and with sound discipline, not even a “mastermind” Bill belicheat scheme can fully account for this speed that can’t be coached.

    lastly, in regards to cycles, what comes up must come down only to come up again. Many teams haven’t even made it to the top and may never will.. its not part of their cycle. Kind of like riding on the kiddie roller coaster… there are hills plateaus valleys, but nothing significant.

  • GalacticGus

    Coach cable post practice press conference:

    ” well that is its purpose, is the INSTALLATION and the .. you know, kind of teaching them the game plan and teaching them how we do those things leading into the game”

    Installation, the cableman’s trade mark! lol

  • lookingforanewteam

    Now I do not know where to start on this Oakland team. I have been a fan for years, prior to them moving from Los Angeles, and over the years I am constantly defending the Raiders. I also keep telling myself this year we could at least win eight game. I know that seems pretty pessimistic, but we have to start some where. Over the last six years, since they last went to the super bowl, the raiders have won a total of 24 games. 24 games out of 102. Now I did the math, and it came out to be 23%, 23% of games the raiders have won, what kind of striving for excellence is that. Also, most of the players that we have drafted within the last five years have either gotten hurt or traded, and we keep on accuring players that are so far past their prime, not even the CFL will look at them.

    Now lets talk about their leadership. What team coaches get in a boxing match. How is that setting the example for your team, now wonder we have won only 24 games with in the six years. How are you going to control the players if a team cannot even control their coaches. These coaches are not going to get the respect from the players, when they cannot even respect themselves. This is why I am looking for a new team. I cannot take another disappointing season, especially with Jeff Garcia. I know that I will always be a raiders fan in my heart, but there comes a time where you have to say enough is enough, and learn to count your losses. Maybe we can go 500 this season and if we do I might just stay along for the ride, but this is it if we don’t make it to 500 this season I am done. Oh yeah don’t worry I will look at teams outside of the AFC West.

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