Training camp highlights, lowlights
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Some training camp highlights and lowlights as the Raiders resume the preseason Friday with a walkthrough in Alameda:
Top offensive player: RB Darren McFadden. Not the clear-cut choice he was last year, but the pre-turf toe explosion around the edge is back. As for his hands, there are Raiders scouts who believe he’d be a terrific wide receiver.
“However coach (Tom) Cable feels like he wants to split the carries or however he wants to split the time is fine because eventually we’re all going to have to get out there and play,” McFadden said Thursday addressing the breakdown of how to use the backfield.
Job 1 for Cable is to make sure McFadden touches the ball 20 times per game. A 15-rush, five-reception minimum is a good place to start. Work Michael Bush and Justin Fargas in around that framework.
Top defensive player: The best defensive player, and it’s not even close, is cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. But Asomugha missed a lot of snaps and is essentially on his own schedule to make sure he’s ready to go in Week 1. So we’ll go instead with strong safety Tyvon Branch, who never missed a single snap.
For a guy who missed half the season following shoulder surgery and was primarily a special teams player, Branch stepped into a starting role and looked as if he’d done it for three years. The Raiders loved him for his physicality last year, but he’s proven to be good in coverage during camp, probably leading the team in interceptions.
Branch admits he wasn’t sure what to think when the Raiders made Mike Mitchell, a classic strong safety, their second round pick, but was pleasantly surprised when he was told going into the season it was his job to lose.
He played cornerback at UConn and was a linebacker in high school, so strong safety has been a good fit.
Most improved: QB JaMarcus Russell. Not improved from the end of last season until now, but from two weeks ago until now.
Russell admitted he was heavy when he arrived in camp, Cable later confirmed he had talked to him about it, and on a few occasions during the offseason the coach dropped hints that the face of the franchise needed to assume a leadership role and be the hardest working and most dedicated guy in the building.
Over the last two weeks, Russell looks as if he’s been doing something right behind the scenes, because quarterbacks don’t just get better overnight even if it appears that way. Russell is far from a finished product, but at least now he looks capable of giving the Raiders their first respectable passing offense in three years.
“Guys in the last week or so have been on the same page, moving faster than we’ve moved (before),” Russell said. “I think that’s what you’re seeing out there.”
Best camp rookie: WR Louis Murphy. Murphy, a fourth-round pick out of Florida, has exhibited very good hands, picked up things quickly and runs with a natural glide as he turns the corner after catching a crossing route. Missed a few days of practice after a hip injury against Dallas, but has had very few subpar days _ rare for a rookie.
Roughest start: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey looked to be carrying the weight of his $23.5 million guarantee on his shoulders, dropping by one count 11 passes in his first three sessions. The very first pass thrown his way _ hardly fair because he came out later after signing and hadn’t warmed up _ clanked off his hands.
After one drop-filled practice, Heyward-Bey and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal were brought over to the golf cart containing Al Davis for a chat.
“He just told me, we know who you are, we know how you play, just do what you do,” Heyward-Bey said.
The silver lining? The first practices set the bar so low Heyward-Bey had nowhere to go but up. And go up he did. He still drops a pass or two every practice and it will likely be a recurring theme.
But he’s also begun to accelerate into the ball of late and look capable of making some big plays.
Best practice scuffle: Murphy vs. Mitchell. On reporting day, Mitchell jokingly called out Murphy because he was talking too much about Florida and giving no respect to Ohio University.
Murphy was blocking Mitchell one day when suddenly fists started flying. Murphy lost his helmet, then swung and hit Mitchell in the helmet with his bare hand. Fortunately he wasn’t injured.
Jon Alston was involved in a skirmish or three, but it was a fairly calm camp in terms of fisticuffs.
Most disappointing injuries: WR Chaz Schilens and SS Mike Mitchell. Schilens was the best receiver in camp and it wasn’t even close. More than that, he was the best player in camp. At any position. He sustained a broken fifth metatarsal while running a pass pattern, had a screw inserted in his foot, and the best-case scenario has him out for the first two games.
Mitchell, hampered by hamstring injuries both before his Pro Day and again at minicamp, has been shut down and Cable seems unsure when he’ll return. He’s got the classic build of a strong safety, a lust for contact and an engaging, positive personality. But Mitchell is also extremely raw and has missed valuable time needed to prove himself as one of the draft’s most controversial picks.
Best undrafted free agents: DT Desmond Bryant and WR Nick Miller. Listen to Cable for five minutes and it’s tough to conclude anything other than the fact that Bryant is on the verge of pushing Terdell Sands right off the roster. Bryant hasn’t been overwhelmed by the NFL and doesn’t pretend to be.
“Surprisingly (the transition) hasn’t been as bad as I thought,” Bryant said. “The speed of the game is a little faster, the biggest thing is technique.I could use that more.”
Miller, listed at 5-foot-9, 180 pounds, looks like one of the ball boys until he gets the ball in his hands. If the Raiders weren’t serious about keeping Miller, they wouldn’t be running so many reverses and schemes that play to his strength.
“I’ve left everything out on the field and I’ve got no regrets,” Miller said. They’re putting in plays that acclimate me to the game and put me in position to make big plays. That’s awesome for me. Any time I have the ball in my hands, I have a chance to make a big play.”
Most surprising development: TE Brandon Myers, who was talked up as a blocker by Cable after the draft, looks to be as sure-handed as starter Zach Miller. Nice catch on a sixth-round pick. Enough to make you forget the guy picked three spots ahead of him, defensive end Stryker Sulak, cut before camp began.
Most artificial competitions: Russell vs. Jeff Garcia at QB; Mario Henderson vs. Khalif Barnes at LT. Never mind the pre-camp chatter. The only way Russell and Henderson weren’t starting was because of injury or personal catastrophe. That Garcia (calf) and Barnes (ankle) got hurt only gave the battles earlier clarity. And both backups could be valuable. Interesting to see if Barnes simply settles in as a backup left tackle or considers learning the right side.
Most surprising competition: Chris Johnson vs. Stanford Routt at CB; Ricky Brown vs. Kirk Morrison at MLB. Johnson signed a four-year deal with a $4 million signing bonus, seemingly cementing his status opposite Asomugha. Instead, Cable said Routt continues to press the issue and it’s not decided. Still think it’ll be Johnson starting with Routt in the slot as the nickel back.
Cable judged Morrison to be in the lead at the time he sustained a dislocated elbow, but the veteran is a little dismayed that after leading the Raiders in tackles for the last three years, he was splitting time with Brown.
Most disheartening practice: During the end of a morning session on Aug. 19, the 49ers defense destroyed the Raiders offense in a red zone drill, intercepting Russell and Bruce Gradkowski four times. It wasn’t much better in drills and team sessions leading up to the finale.
Most embarrassing moment: LB Brown was destroyed by 49ers RB Frank Gore, and much hooting and hollering ensued.
Most effective assistant coach: QB coach Paul Hackett. To say Hackett is a stickler for details is an understatement. Never mind being pushed by Garcia. Russell is learning just about everything there is to know about playing quarterback by one of the best technicians in the business.
Every day, the quarterbacks meet for mini-clinic on some facet of the position, and sometimes you’re close enough to hear it. Hackett drills them on footwork issues, how they walk to and from a huddle, and has them recite plays, making sure they enunciate clearly and speak with authority.
Best cure for insomnia: Cable’s “learning phase. Four days of double sessions where plays weren’t run to their conclusion, with footwork, choreography and knowledge are stressed above all else. Cable and the players seemed to swear by it, but it was “Dancing with the Stars” in uniform. And at half-speed.
Best comeback: FB Oren O’Neal and WR Javon Walker. Personally, I didn’t think either would be much of a factor. O’Neal would be given more time to heal from a debilitating knee injury with the arrival of Lorenzo Neal. As for Walker, I’d pretty much written him off after all of last season’s trevails.
Wrong, and wrong again.
Least likely to complain to the NLRB: Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski. Ah, the life of a kicker. They don’t do much, and give way to Ricky Schmitt whenever they please. Lechler somehow managed end up with a groin injury from all the standing around.
Most predictable dump jobs: No shows to anything voluntary, Derrick Burgess was finally shown the door for a third-round pick and a fifth-round pick (now that the Patriots have acquired a fifth-round pick by trade, it goes to Oakland) and Andrew Walter was cut. He wound with the Patriots as well.
Most miles on the odometer: FB Lorenzo Neal was put on injured reserve (and later received an injury settlement) after a hamstring injury, but the Raiders had already determined he was running on empty. He’s talking retirement.
Most welcome development: It was all quiet on the Mario Henderson front, as Lane Kiffin’s media punching bag enjoyed an extremely quiet camp _ always a good thing for an offensive lineman.
Least vital organ: Robert Gallery lost an appendix and a handful of practice sessions, but little else.
Best clip-and-save quote: “I’m telling you, we are going to pressure teams. I can see it in John’s eyes,” linebacker Thomas Howard, convinced defensive coordinator John Marshall will bring the house with all manner of blitzes.
Most invisible formation: No Wildcat sightings in Napa.
Most potentially overblown story: Cable’s alleged tussle with defensive backs assistant Randy Hanson became a lead story on SportsCenter right up there with Vick and Favre. And if the Napa police don’t find Hanson credible, it all goes away . . . of course, if they find evidence to implicate Cable, it becomes the . . .
Most potentially damaging story: The only way Cable vs. Hanson is an issue is if the head coach is prosecuted by law enforcement and/or suspended by the league. Otherwise, the situation is light years from the Kiffin-Al Davis standoff that sent last season into the toilet.
Best spontaneous comedy: “Cable, bomaye, Cable, bomaye.”
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
First?
August 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Yep!
August 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
David White is on CL right now. Jerry, that should be your gig, WTF?
August 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I’m sorry, Jerry, but I’m going to have to paraphrase the all too hip Norco Bob again, by saying, BFD! 6 lousy seasons, I need to see more than just a positive camp. 3 straight wins would be a start. Until then, the off field drama is more interesting than anything happening on the field.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Norco Bob Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
bil lwalsh deserves ALL THE CREDIT for niner success,..eddie d got what he deserved,…kicked out of league.
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Eddie D didn’t get kicked out. He stepped down, and turned it over to his sister.
He could return if he wants to.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Sorry Woj..but you would be wrong.
Again..ONE YEAR Walsh was with the Raiders, as a RUNNING BACK ASST.
Al had just left being commissioner and bought in the team at 10%.
John Rauch was running the team, not Al.
You look at Al’s philosphy on offense, and you look at Walsh’s..about as different as night and day.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Eddie D didn’t get kicked out. He stepped down, and turned it over to his sister.
He could return if he wants to.
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Where did this moron rack-o-shit come from??? OF COURSE DeBartolo GOT KICKED OUT!! He Took multiple Felony convictions related to gambling interests in Louisiana. Is that the kind of owner the league wants?? He tried to take his team back and outrage flooded the Commissioners office. Get your facts straight, or better yet, just leave again with your tail between your legs you dummass.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Better than hearing balls strewn all over the practice field. But, I will be waiting for the season to kick off and see it in real time. Until then I will reserve judgment.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Part of it is natural progression but the other is coaching. JR is making quantum leaps as an NFL QB. He’s playing the game much faster – much more decisive than last year.
I’m telling you – once DHB gets going he’s going to be hard to stop. He could be a bigger contribution to his team than Calvin Johnson was as a rookie for the Lions.
Insofar, it seems to be great pickups in Murphy and Meyers. But that hammy is really setting Mitchell back. He probably needed the work the most in learning the defense and coverage.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
reposts
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I be wrong? That was what WALsh said, not me. I just copied and pasted what WALSH said. See do you actually get that point, WALSH, as in BILL WALSH, said it. Shall i repeat that louder? BILL WALSH SAID IT NOT ME. So in fact you are stating that Bill Walsh is wrong in what he said about Al Davis. hhhmmmmmm……
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090816/NEWS/908169975/1057/SPORTS0908?Title=Toolguy-here-s-your-answer
link to the article, and it’s from an article where the writer actually says he’s a Raider\Al Davis hater, so it’s not like it’s comin from an Al Davis sac swinger.
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Rich
It was a nice try though, make sure to run grammar and spell checks on my posts so when you realize you’re wrong(which I doubt) you can attack me on the finer points of the english language.
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
And one of the points that seems to escape you is that, Al and Bill were friends from the time they were with the Raiders till the day Bill died, but of course in your narrow little 40 whiner mind, that has nothing to do with AL being able to teach him everything he knows, since of course you can only teach another coach something if you coach for the same time, right? Has nothing to with being friends for 40 odd years.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I hope Bryant replaces Turdell.
We need some help on the defensive line. We should have taken Raji.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Turdell is cut – you can bank on it. Both Bryant and Joseph are outplaying him. He’s not even listed on the depth chart. The pink slip is starring him right in the face sad to say for him. But at least he got a few million out of AD. Hope he put it in a safe place.
Raji could’ve been nice I suppose but DHB could be even nicer – TDs! And making it easier for the entire O to function. Wait and see how it all unfolds. There’s no telling how Bryant progresses or what DT comes in the fold next offseason, draft or otherwise. This team is on the right track.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
BTW, what does that article have to do with DeBartolo’s multiple felonies?? Rackoshit you have completely used up what very very little brain power you were given.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
DHB, as of right now, looks to be the best WR taken in the 1st round. Crabtree is still sitting at (fill-in the blank)? And Maclin doesn’t look that good to me and he’s not as fast as advertised either. He’s having a tough go at it on this level.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
8-8 baby what a year its going to be.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
i got the game pass and im catching every single game this year. Whoo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will this be the year that we have a team that we can watch and not feel embarrased about?
August 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
No one covers Raiders as well as JerryMac.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Hindsight, but we could’ve drafted Raji at #7, and Got Murphy in the 4th round, I think we’d be in better shape.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
We could have had Brace in the second round but Cheatriots traded with big Al and took him!
August 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Bj Raji stat line so gare this season :
GP1- everything else 0
August 27th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
so far this season
August 27th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
reposts
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I be wrong? That was what WALsh said, not me. I just copied and pasted what WALSH said. See do you actually get that point, WALSH, as in BILL WALSH, said it. Shall i repeat that louder? BILL WALSH SAID IT NOT ME. So in fact you are stating that Bill Walsh is wrong in what he said about Al Davis. hhhmmmmmm……
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090816/NEWS/908169975/1057/SPORTS0908?Title=Toolguy-here-s-your-answer
link to the article, and it’s from an article where the writer actually says he’s a Raider\Al Davis hater, so it’s not like it’s comin from an Al Davis sac swinger.
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Rich
It was a nice try though, make sure to run grammar and spell checks on my posts so when you realize you’re wrong(which I doubt) you can attack me on the finer points of the english language.
Raiderwoj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
And one of the points that seems to escape you is that, Al and Bill were friends from the time they were with the Raiders till the day Bill died, but of course in your narrow little 40 whiner mind, that has nothing to do with AL being able to teach him everything he knows, since of course you can only teach another coach something if you coach for the same time, right? Has nothing to with being friends for 40 odd years.
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Ah…got it.
You know..a friend of mine is a pilot. We spend LOTS of time together.
Damn. I can fly a plane for beans.
And oddly, he can’t golf, hunt, or scuba if his life depended on it.
Another buddy is a doctor, and yet, after all these years, I still can’t perform brain surgery.
Wow. We must be doing something wrong…because..well..according to you, when you’re “friends” it’s just an automatic that you “teach” the other person.
OH WAIT.
One of the two you mentioned is referred to as GENIUS.
One is listed as one of the top 5 head coaches OF ALL TIME.
So, what you’re saying is Bill Walsh was teaching Al??
As far as Lowell Cohn? lol..geez..you can’t see “tongue in cheek”?? The comment that “I think Paul Brown taught Bill something too” should have tipped you off.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
The DTs are not that bad that you all should regret Raji so much. Its really the DEs and LBs that are of greater concern.
I was sour on Cable when he 1st became coach of the Raiders but the more I listen to this guy the more he’s turning my opinion. He’s looking like he could be a really good coach for this team.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I think were going to use the reverse often this year. That play could be a great weapon for us with heyward-bey and nick miller if he makes the team. It could also be very useful if we use the wildcat this year, which seems like a possibility.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
They better rip it up against SD on Monday night. I dont want to see a melt down seriously.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Yes that part was tounge in cheek, but Thats what Bill said, period. The last sentence was added to what Bill said by Cohn, a self proclaimed Raider hater. And I didn’t say that being someones friend is a automatic you can learn ANYTHING from them, I said you are ABLE(key word) you did say that because he only coached with him one year he couldn’t learn everything from him. That statement is incorrect, he could learn from him because they were friends. But we all realize how focused you are at “slappping Raider fans” that you’ll twist statements to your suiting, and just miquote people.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
and Rich,
make sure to catch all the grammar and punctuation flaws, theres quite a few. so make sure you spend extra time correcting my essay Teach!
August 27th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Terrapin,
Totally agree, the right side of our D-line scares me, especially with our LB’s not filling gaps or getting off blocks to help out. Makes for a bad run D and a really long season.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
DMAC’s gonna rip it up this year. He’s hungry!
August 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
# Terrapin Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
DHB, as of right now, looks to be the best WR taken in the 1st round. Crabtree is still sitting at (fill-in the blank)? And Maclin doesn’t look that good to me and he’s not as fast as advertised either. He’s having a tough go at it on this level.
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Two Words for you….
Kenny Britt
August 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
For all who bleed silver & black, we know the last 6 years have been rough. 6 whole years. Good thing you’re not a Detroit fan. Everyone has an opinion on what we should, shouldn’t or should have done, and you’re entitled to it. But if you don’t like the owner and aren’t happy with the team members and staff, what is there to be a fan of. You may not like a particular player or a coach or Al, but if you don’t support the TEAM, STFU and get lost. The troll sitaution has not improved since registration and it’s the same sh!t every day.
August 27th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
# Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
No one licks Jerry’s sack like jjsac
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LOL just spit beer all over my monitor.. Thanx alot 666…
August 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Good Evening Nation.
Jerry,
I enjoyed reading your last 3 posts.
Keep up the great work!
August 27th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
LMAO @ 666
August 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Dakota, BSJ, and 666 are some funny dudes!
August 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
DMC will have a great year, JR will throw for 3k+, Z Miller will have his best season, and Branch will have 4+ INTs.
August 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I love it!!!!
Josh will fix the problem. He is great with players! lol
August 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
rmr,
my excitement is annoyin? shuit up you sarcastic sadistic bitch i seen your posts norco bob you do need to chill a little bit because your fukin gloomy and i can be excited if i want to and i can demand rackoshit to leave us raiders fans the fuk alone. Don’t but into other peoples conversations cause all you is diss the raiders and everyone on this blog. oh but i can see your on rackoshit’s nuts you dick ridin bitch!!
August 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Just Win Baby!!!!! yeah!!!
August 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Im drinkin the kool aid baby yeah!!!!
Only to probably have my dreams of winning stripped by the hands of LT and company. LOL!!!
August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
rackoshit,
“I often spoke to Bill Walsh when he was dying — on the phone when Walsh was in Stanford Hospital. We made small talk and when I sensed Walsh was tired from the effort I’d say I had to go, but Walsh always said, “Let’s talk about the Raiders.” He said this with a giggle. The Raiders were comic relief to a dying man.
“The Raiders have been comic relief because they have been a joke. Walsh used to laugh at how fat former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was. He told me no man looking like that could coach on a Walsh team. He always spoke respectfully of Al, admired Al’s brains and guts. They had been friends a long time, and Walsh said Al taught him everything he knew about football. I think Paul Brown taught Walsh something, too.”
see rack-o-shit? your ol dumb ass got proven wrong and sid gillman created the vertical offense and he was Al Davis mentor and when BILL WALSH came on the raiders as an assistant in ‘66, he was trained to learn the vertical offenseand then installed his own West Coast offense as i repeat again, but he got his ideas from the vertical offense. Thank you rackoshit and i know you gonna come up with somethin irrevelant and so is your little dick ridin follower rmr.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
LTR Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
For all who bleed silver & black, we know the last 6 years have been rough. 6 whole years. Good thing you’re not a Detroit fan.
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Why’s that? Detroit made front office moves to correct their problem.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
“The Raiders have been comic relief because they have been a joke. Walsh used to laugh at how fat former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was. He told me no man looking like that could coach on a Walsh team. ”
Can you say
Mike Holmgren
hes a big guy right?
August 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
LTR Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
For all who bleed silver & black, we know the last 6 years have been rough. 6 whole years. Good thing you’re not a Detroit fan.
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Why’s that? Detroit made front office moves to correct their problem.
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detroits pretty much been sorry their whole existence. only decent during the B SANDERS years. He quit on them because they failed to build a contender around him.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Can we win in September and October? We will see people.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
OK Taz Raider, Bill Walsh got his ideas from the vertical offense. You win. But like I said, I don’t see where Bill Walsh is emulating Al Davis in the slightest when watching NFL film clips of his 49ers. I don’t know where anyone emulates Al Davis, to be honest with you. Al is on an island of his own with his vertical offense and man on man defense. You may be able to draw some kind of far fetched parallel between a successful team today and Al’s philosophy, but it’s exactly that. Far fetched. Every team in the league believes in zone defense and deceptive offenses. Nobody out there is trying to build teams to pit 11 guys on 11 guys. Just Al. And he hasn’t been successful in the past 20 years. The only success he has seen was under a west coast system.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Terrapin Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
DHB, as of right now, looks to be the best WR taken in the 1st round. Crabtree is still sitting at (fill-in the blank)? And Maclin doesn’t look that good to me and he’s not as fast as advertised either. He’s having a tough go at it on this level.
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Best WR taken in the first round?
Well..let’s see..shall we?
Crabtree..not signed..not in any games.
Zero catches.
Maclin is #36 in the NFL..with 6 catches for 70 yds.
Bey? in the preseason, Bey is #385..lol…yes..that’s THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE ON THE LIST..with ONE catch for an awe inspiring 8 YARDS.
Dude..give it up.
Yeah, yeah..Crabtree hasn’t signed..we know that.
Niners know that.
Niners are cool with that.
Singletary stated yesterday that “Not sweatin’ it. When he gets in, whenever that is, we’ll get him caught up.”
But Bey? ONE CATCH..that’s it.
You all predicted grandeur..and now? You’re reduced to “by the end of the year”..hell..it’s not even “By game 6″ or “by the break”..it’s “BY THE END OF THE YEAR”..ONE OF YOU even stated “within two years he’ll be a top WR.”
In other words, he’s a MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT.
Bummer.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Three Ring Circus, in the modern day NFL it’s common knowledge that Detroit and Oakland are the twin models of failure. Both teams have stunk up the league for the better part of this decade, more so than any other teams. Detroit has made moves in upper management. We haven’t. You can go into Al Davis’s great past all you want to, it doesn’t change the situation we’re in know, which isn’t good.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
The writers are lining up to get on the DHB and Russell bandwagon. While I appreciate Jerry realization that there is an obvious improvement t Russell’s game. It’s not just that Russell’s work is paying off. It’s more that he’s getting comfortable with his surroundings which makes it easier on him to cmply with the coaches demands. Guy’s are starting to make plays for him.
It’s obvious Russell doesn’t like turning the ball over so he will sail a ball out of bounds before he take a chance on something he’s not sure of. DHB is starting to show up with Murphy and others in Chaz’s place which is HUGE. His confidence in WR’s is growing which opens it up for ZMiller.
Early in the regular season he may revert to focusing on his TE until the WR’s actually start to make big plays once he sees that he can trust them. The offense will take off. Losing Chaz will cost us early on if he doesn’t establish confidence in a WR in the next preaseason game(which is very unlikely). He will force the ball to ZMiller.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Terrapin Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
DHB, as of right now, looks to be the best WR taken in the 1st round. Crabtree is still sitting at (fill-in the blank)? And Maclin doesn’t look that good to me and he’s not as fast as advertised either. He’s having a tough go at it on this level.
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Best WR taken in the first round?
Well..let’s see..shall we?
Crabtree..not signed..not in any games.
Zero catches.
Maclin is #36 in the NFL..with 6 catches for 70 yds.
Bey? in the preseason, Bey is #385..lol…yes..that’s THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE ON THE LIST..with ONE catch for an awe inspiring 8 YARDS.
Dude..give it up.
Yeah, yeah..Crabtree hasn’t signed..we know that.
Niners know that.
Niners are cool with that.
Singletary stated yesterday that “Not sweatin’ it. When he gets in, whenever that is, we’ll get him caught up.”
But Bey? ONE CATCH..that’s it.
You all predicted grandeur..and now? You’re reduced to “by the end of the year”..hell..it’s not even “By game 6″ or “by the break”..it’s “BY THE END OF THE YEAR”..ONE OF YOU even stated “within two years he’ll be a top WR.”
In other words, he’s a MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT.
Bummer.
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At least he can catch now.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Whooo!!! Whooo!!! Whooo!
August 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Three Ring Circus, in the modern day NFL it’s common knowledge that Detroit and Oakland are the twin models of failure. Both teams have stunk up the league for the better part of this decade, more so than any other teams. Detroit has made moves in upper management. We haven’t. You can go into Al Davis’s great past all you want to, it doesn’t change the situation we’re in know, which isn’t good.
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At least the Raiders were in the SUPERBOWL AND AFC CHAMPIONS IN THIS DECADE. The Chargers cant even say they have accomplished that this decade.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Based on college play, which is all we have to go on regarding games that actually count when discussing Crabtree and DHB, Crabtree was the best receiver in the first round.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Ah…got it.
You know..a friend of mine is a pilot. We spend LOTS of time together.
Damn. I can fly a plane for beans.
And oddly, he can’t golf, hunt, or scuba if his life depended on it.
Another buddy is a doctor, and yet, after all these years, I still can’t perform brain surgery.
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Ridowhiner
That friend of yours who thinks he is a pilot, is your bobblehead of Michael Craptree, let’s get the facts straight, which you seem to avoid like the swine flu.
The doctor is your brain surgeon, and as much as we like to see doctors have success, you became a victim of his failure to recognize you had no hope, in fact he should of just left you alone, drooling about Michael Craptree and your number one QB Alex Smith, created such brain neurons, it became clear there was no hope for your recovery.
Yes you can’t perform brain surgery, nor can you think straight today. I find it difficult to believe you can even golf or scuba dive, considering you can’t even walk and chew gum at the same time.
I have a different perspective of you, Ridowhiner, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family, for the terrible tragedy. Your family must continue to nurse you back to health. I promise from this day forward, I will never comment about your stupidity, your lack of self esteem and will not tease you about your hero Michael Craptree. I won’t let up about the whiners, that’s just to easy.
I understand your conflict and hope you seek professional help. The Raider blog is to strong for such a weak minded man like yourself, please seek help and when the time is right, when you comment on this blog, you’ll have more sense, peace brother.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
You’re right, Three Ring Circus. The Raiders were in the Super Bowl this decade. Instead of hiring a GM who understands today’s game, let’s just keep pointing out that we got to the Super Bowl this decade. That’ll produce wins.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Post#48 does this guy know anything about football??
MR why open your mouth and confirm just how ignorant you are. Don’t you know man coverage has been a defensive staple from the time Paul Brown started throwing the ball on a consistent basis. Willie Brown just introduced the bump and run. Zones came later.
At least cheat sometimes and read up on something. Rather than be ignorant all the time. Damn man!
August 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Three Ring Circus, in the modern day NFL it’s common knowledge that Detroit and Oakland are the twin models of failure. Both teams have stunk up the league for the better part of this decade, more so than any other teams. Detroit has made moves in upper management. We haven’t. You can go into Al Davis’s great past all you want to, it doesn’t change the situation we’re in know, which isn’t good.
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The Chargers have won games but they still have not won the big game and they only seem to be playoff bound and thats about all they get too.
I believe if history repeats itself that the Raiders will bounce back.
All the analyst were saying that Al lost it in 1997 and then all of the sudden they are winning again alll the way up to 2002.
Give me a break buddy.
If you dont know how long a DECADE IS LET ME REMIND YOU THAT IT IS TEN YEARS LONG. AND ITS 2009 SO WE HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS FROM 1999 TO 2009. CANT SAY THAT DETRIOT EVEN HAS A NFC CHAMPION TROPHY UNDER THEIR BELTS DURING THAT SPAN.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
You’re right, priest. No teams play zone in today’s NFL. It’s all man to man coverage, just like Al. Every single team.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
You’re right, priest. No teams play zone in today’s NFL. It’s all man to man coverage, just like Al. Every single team.
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WHY DONT YOU JUST BECOME A RAVENS FAN. THEY PRACTICE LOTS OF ZONE BLITZING SCHEMES. I THINK IT SEEMS TO FIT YOUR DEMEANOR.
YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT AL WONT CHANGE HIS STRATEGY PERIOD. MAYBE HE WILL GO WITH A MAN BLITZING SCHEME DOESNT THAT SOUND GOOD FOR YOU.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE A RAVENS FAN.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Three Ring Circus, pointing to the Chargers is not going to change the fact that we’ve been one of the worst teams in football for 6 straight years, and are still ran by the same guy. We succeeded after 1997 because Al Davis hired Jon Gruden and managed to not fire him before he could build a team. And, I agree with you, we’re a better team than Detroit over the past 10 years, per se. I was talking about the decade we’re in, the 2000’s, the era, so to speak. So, I’ll be more accurate, per your correction. In the past 6 years the Raiders and Lions have been the butt of the league. Detroit made front office moves. We haven’t. And that’s troubling.
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
tazZraider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
rackoshit,
“I often spoke to Bill Walsh when he was dying — on the phone when Walsh was in Stanford Hospital. We made small talk and when I sensed Walsh was tired from the effort I’d say I had to go, but Walsh always said, “Let’s talk about the Raiders.” He said this with a giggle. The Raiders were comic relief to a dying man.
“The Raiders have been comic relief because they have been a joke. Walsh used to laugh at how fat former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was. He told me no man looking like that could coach on a Walsh team. He always spoke respectfully of Al, admired Al’s brains and guts. They had been friends a long time, and Walsh said Al taught him everything he knew about football. I think Paul Brown taught Walsh something, too.”
see rack-o-shit? your ol dumb ass got proven wrong and sid gillman created the vertical offense and he was Al Davis mentor and when BILL WALSH came on the raiders as an assistant in ‘66, he was trained to learn the vertical offenseand then installed his own West Coast offense as i repeat again, but he got his ideas from the vertical offense. Thank you rackoshit and i know you gonna come up with somethin irrevelant and so is your little dick ridin follower rmr.
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PAY ATTENTION.
Bill Walsh’s first and ONLY year in the NFL, with the Raiders, was as a asst rb coach. YOu don’t learn ANY VERTICLE GAME WHEN YOU ARE A RB COACH. How can you? No, not saying you don’t pick up things during the year, but you are leaving and breathing everything about the rb’s, NOT the qb.
He wasn’t devising plays. he wasn’t reading defenses. He wasn’t responsible for analyzing game plans..he worked with the RB’s AS AN ASST.
AFTER the Raiders he had 6 or 7 yrs with Paul Brown in Cinc…AFTER that he was with Gillman in San Diego..both of these stints he WAS responsible for offensive game plans.
Now..what can you figure from this..on your own?
Come on..think. Actually THINK. don’t be a lemming..quit being a mouse.
And..AS I STATED NUMEROUS TIMES..John Rauch WAS THE HEAD COACH OF THE RAIDERS, NOT AL DAVIS.
I’m sorry..you’re confused.
AL DAVIS WAS NOT RUNNING THINGS..JOHN RAUCH WAS.
Does anyone grasp that little tidbit? How in the hell could Bill Walsh gotten “all of this knowledge” when he was a lowly rb asst. and Al Davis wasn’t even around?
What you mean is in the years following, AFTER WALSH WAS ALREADY WINNING SB’s, NO DOUBT Al and Bill would run into each other at different NFL functions..and chatted about the game…Doesn’t that happen hundreds of times, every year, with hundreds and hundreds of assts?
August 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
You can accuse me of not being a fan all you want to, Three Ring Circus. The only difference between me and you is that we blame different people for how bad the team is. I blame the management. You don’t, obviously. You obviously know the team is in chaos. If not, why did you name yourself Three Ring Circus?
August 27th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
If Bill Walsh wanted to be like Al Davis he would have scrapped Joe Montana and went with Steve Deberg.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
MR you are simply hopeless. Every coverage being played today is being utilized by most every team including the Raiders. Do you know anything about football? The coverage against NO last year was essentially zone and man. The zone we ran was very ineffective which is why this game will be very interesting to see if they use again.
We ran zone against Denver opening day a cover2. If you saw a zone coverage would you even know uit?
August 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
OK Taz Raider, Bill Walsh got his ideas from the vertical offense. You win. But like I said, I don’t see where Bill Walsh is emulating Al Davis in the slightest when watching NFL film clips of his 49ers. I don’t know where anyone emulates Al Davis, to be honest with you. Al is on an island of his own with his vertical offense and man on man defense. You may be able to draw some kind of far fetched parallel between a successful team today and Al’s philosophy, but it’s exactly that. Far fetched. Every team in the league believes in zone defense and deceptive offenses. Nobody out there is trying to build teams to pit 11 guys on 11 guys. Just Al. And he hasn’t been successful in the past 20 years. The only success he has seen was under a west coast system.
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rmr,
i never said bill walsh emulates al davis. Im saying bill walsh would’ve probably never came up with the west coast if he never had came to oakland. no matter what he’s still a genius though. and what’s wrong with vertical offense and man to man defense? i hope you don’t think that this is the reason for our failure for these recent years because it was the run defense and our offense that was our problems. He hasn’t been successful in the past 20 years? the only times we’ve had losing seasons in the past 20 years other than these 6 years is ‘92, ‘96, and ‘97. We went to the playoffs in the last 20 years in 91, 93,’00,’01, and ‘02. We went to the afc championship in 91, yup 01, and 02. Get your facts straight.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
MR, is just flat out dumb……….period
August 27th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Let MR tell it, Kenny Stabler was big strong armed athlete. Stabler would’ve been the quintessential WCO QB he perfected the short to intermediate passing attack.
But this dumbell woudn’t know it. He also thinks Kenny threw the ball deep 20 times a games.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Best WR taken in the first round?
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rack-o-shit is baaack!! And look at this idiocy! rack-o-shit is going to rate this years crop of WR’s based on, get this, two PRESEASON games!! Now, anyone with any brains, knows it will take YEARS to truly grade the players taken in the 2009 draft, but somehow, miraculously, rackoshit is grading them after two practice games!! You can’t make this sh** up! But then again rackoshit thinks the NFL is ready to welcome Eddie The Felon back with open arms! This rack-o-shit guy is completely out of his mind. Don’t waste bandwith on that moron.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Well then don’t watch Dude! Yeah I’m bummed that we’ve been shitty since our Superbowl appearance. I think that has a lot to do with the decisions Al Davis has made. But the guy can’t be right all the time.
Lately I’ve thought him more crazy than anything and yet this team shows real promise.
Every team starts 0-0 and every fan should be stoked that their team is getting ready to fight for a Superbowl. That’s why they play, and why we cheer for our team. (Unless, you’re like RealMadden, who seems to delight as a self loathing Raider fan.)
I feel a lot better about the team I’ve seen the preseason as opposed to last years team…and by the way, when was the last time the Cowboys had anything to celebrate?
Norv Turner is bringing HIS charges to Oakland on Monday night! HIS Chargers! I cannot wait.
We used to cheer as fans who boasted that their team was unbeatable on Monday nights. Let’s remember who the Fu(K we are and go into the Coliseum dressed for battle, expecting the Nation to rise up and give our team the power to open up a can of whoop-ass on the Chargers, the kind of which made Dan Fouts crap his pants!
August 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Priest, you can play dumb and pretend you don’t know what I’m talking about all you want to. You know I’m talking about Al Davis’s philosophies, not what the coaches have managed to pull off under his nose, which is what you’re describing. Next you’re going to tell me that Gruden was trying to throw deep while Davis was advising him to use cross patterns. It’s shill, shill, shill, spin, spin, spin, all day every day. Then when anyone questions your b.s., you drop the personal insults. Al Davis is the worst GM in football today, priest. And only someone just flat out dumb thinks otherwise.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Call the Waaaaaamulance, MR is handing out the Haterade.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
These are the exact same posts maddenraider made four years ago. The Raiders have a good very young roster. This year, the team will turn the corner with players like Shilens, Dmac, Bush, Russell, Howard, Nam, Zack. You can hate all you want, but the Raiders appear to be on the rise. If they are, and these are OBVIOUS Davis players, guys like MR and Kookie will have wasted their lives. Honestly, MR, no one is listening to you anymore.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Once we start winning on a constant basis.. which I believe the Raiders will, … all the pessimists, all the trolls, will go away one by one with each passing week that we compile wins. Oh yeah, we might hear from them on an occasional loss so they can rain on the winning parade. But ultimately, I would like to see what they have to say once we start winning again!!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
August 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Oakglennpussy
Speak for yourself, ok?
August 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
How long you Pollyanas been saying wait till we win?
August 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Fact is, winning teams build from the inside out not the other way around. Raiders might have some young skill players but both lines are still bad and that will be the reason the team will more than likely be in the top 6 or 7 in the draft AGAIN.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
tazZraider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
rackoshit,
“I often spoke to Bill Walsh when he was dying — on the phone when Walsh was in Stanford Hospital. We made small talk and when I sensed Walsh was tired from the effort I’d say I had to go, but Walsh always said, “Let’s talk about the Raiders.” He said this with a giggle. The Raiders were comic relief to a dying man.
“The Raiders have been comic relief because they have been a joke. Walsh used to laugh at how fat former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was. He told me no man looking like that could coach on a Walsh team. He always spoke respectfully of Al, admired Al’s brains and guts. They had been friends a long time, and Walsh said Al taught him everything he knew about football. I think Paul Brown taught Walsh something, too.”
see rack-o-shit? your ol dumb ass got proven wrong and sid gillman created the vertical offense and he was Al Davis mentor and when BILL WALSH came on the raiders as an assistant in ‘66, he was trained to learn the vertical offenseand then installed his own West Coast offense as i repeat again, but he got his ideas from the vertical offense. Thank you rackoshit and i know you gonna come up with somethin irrevelant and so is your little dick ridin follower rmr.
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PAY ATTENTION.
Bill Walsh’s first and ONLY year in the NFL, with the Raiders, was as a asst rb coach. YOu don’t learn ANY VERTICLE GAME WHEN YOU ARE A RB COACH. How can you? No, not saying you don’t pick up things during the year, but you are leaving and breathing everything about the rb’s, NOT the qb.
He wasn’t devising plays. he wasn’t reading defenses. He wasn’t responsible for analyzing game plans..he worked with the RB’s AS AN ASST.
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Yeah, how would assistant coaches who help with the game planning and work with their units implementing that game plan, especially on both the run and passing games, how would those coaches pick anything up about football?? I mean, they are only surrounded by football guys 20 hours a day. What would they learn.
Kookie, you are once again toast. As usual. Get used to it. Everyone else has.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
where the hell did this dude come from? lol
August 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Your nightmares Gus, thats where.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Gus, Dud came out of the gutter. He was posting as Dud until we ran him out of here, than changed his name to Raider Rot, and low and behold, he is back as Dud. Different name, same horsesh** posts.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
LOL. Call the “waaaaambulance”. Thank you, John Stewart. Never has a joke spread like wild fire so fast in this country. We must be desperate for a new phrase. And, hey, I’ll admit it. I’m a grumpy, whiny mo fo. But Al Davis still sucks.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Kookie, you are once again toast. As usual. Get used to it. Everyone else has.
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Oakpussy, you’re always speaking for other people. It’s hard for you to understand that what goes on in your mind is not necessarily reality.
You’ve indeed become a multiple personality, psychopath haven’t you?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Ran me out of here. LOL!!!!!
Raider Rot? Good one.
Lets dance Glenn. You wanna debate? Lets do this shitt. Ive been banned for too long and I am ready to destroy you…..again.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
How many wins this year Glenn? Let me guess 11? 12?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Russell going to Hawaii too Glenn??
August 27th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Oakglenn, we’re on the rise. Got it. I see your prediction. As you well know, I will be here after the first game against SD, win lose or tie. Now last year, you talked about how negative I was or whatever, prior to the Denver game. When it turned out I was right, you didn’t pop up till like 3 days after the game. I remember everyone here making fun of how you just high tailed it. Bring up my negative predictions from 4 years ago (I’ve been making them for 6 years, actually), you’re only pointing out that I’m almost always right.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/video/20590420/ What the hell is wrong with WR
August 27th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Negative predictions or accurate assesments???
August 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Who cares whats wrong with him?
Hows that no more Fargas thing working for you boy? LOL
August 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
The latter, dude. The ultimate accurate assessment is that we can not win until Al Davis is out of football operations.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Best WR taken in the first round?
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rack-o-shit is baaack!! And look at this idiocy! rack-o-shit is going to rate this years crop of WR’s based on, get this, two PRESEASON games!! Now, anyone with any brains, knows it will take YEARS to truly grade the players taken in the 2009 draft, but somehow, miraculously, rackoshit is grading them after two practice games!! You can’t make this sh** up! But then again rackoshit thinks the NFL is ready to welcome Eddie The Felon back with open arms! This rack-o-shit guy is completely out of his mind. Don’t waste bandwith on that moron.
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Crappola for brains?
What did I tell you?
You are to ask permission before you speak.
This isn’t a democracy. You’ve abused your right to insert your head up rear one too many times, and for your own good you need to ask, in advance, for permission to embarrass yourself.
See, walnetto, Terrapeanut stated that “It appears that Bey is the best WR taken in the first round”.
You still with me, dorko?
I simply enlightened him that a guy who’s 385th after the first two games, was far from the “best WR in the first rd”.
What part of that confused you? (hey, I know, it’s you..could be anything..still be nice to know..has to worth another laugh)
As far as Eddie D? You pretty much got torched on that, didn’t you? Notice how you tucked tail? had NOTHING in reply? Yeah, LMAO knowing you checked, gulped, and realized you best shut up.
Slap a DUH on you, boy.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Oakglenn ran like a pusc….AGAIN
August 27th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I think Crabtree’s better than DHB. I base this on everything I’ve seen out of both of them in college, and the tiny bit I’ve seen out of DHB in pre season NFL games. We should have drafted Crabtree, if we were to take a receiver. Bey has one skill only, to get down field. He doesn’t have the hands that Crabtree has.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
DHB looks like the real deal. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
August 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I say 9-7! Oline is good, but not great. We also sill have problems with Run Defense.
9-7!
August 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
And as far as Crabtree’s attitude goes, it’s common knowledge he’s holding out because he should have gone to the Raiders, and is worth more than the spot he was taken at. He will hurt if the Niners don’t sign him, and will probably go lower next year. But the Niners will hurt much more. They really want him. And I think Singletary will eventually lobby to get him signed for what he’s asking.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
We will compete with the Dischargers for the AFC West.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Richochet
You’re a needy sad little thing too, aren’t you?
You and Oakglenn are two sides of the same counterfeit coin.
You must be some powerless little creature angry at the world for your circumstances.
Don’t bother responding.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Who cares about Crabtree and the Whinners?! This is a Raider blog!
August 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Nothing wrong with confidence, Raider O. At least you had the balls to give a number. Priest, Hayez, and Oakglenn have done nothing but danced around giving a straight up final record prediction. Just, “we’re on the rise”. The reason they do this is because they know we suck, but they just want to make it sound like Al knows what he’s doing before the season starts, when their mission will be impossible.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Sure, Raider O. Only you can talk about Crabtree and the Niners when you have a point to make about the Raiders that’s connected to them. We can’t. Got it. Any other double standards I forgot?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
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PAY ATTENTION.
Bill Walsh’s first and ONLY year in the NFL, with the Raiders, was as a asst rb coach. YOu don’t learn ANY VERTICLE GAME WHEN YOU ARE A RB COACH. How can you? No, not saying you don’t pick up things during the year, but you are leaving and breathing everything about the rb’s, NOT the qb.
He wasn’t devising plays. he wasn’t reading defenses. He wasn’t responsible for analyzing game plans..he worked with the RB’s AS AN ASST.
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Yeah, how would assistant coaches who help with the game planning and work with their units implementing that game plan, especially on both the run and passing games, how would those coaches pick anything up about football?? I mean, they are only surrounded by football guys 20 hours a day. What would they learn.
Kookie, you are once again toast. As usual. Get used to it. Everyone else has.
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I warned you. DON’T TRY AND DISCUSS FOOTBALL. You’re going to hurt yourself again.
YOU stupidly stated that Bill Walsh learned EVERYTHING HE KNOWS ABOUT FOOTBALL FROM AL DAVIS, IN THE ONE YEAR THAT HE WAS A RB ASST..even though Al Davis wasn’t around..even though John Rauch was HC.
You’re a friggin’ idiot. Why is it most here seem to echo that, Glenny?
And dude, asst coaches do NOT EVER HELP WITH THE GAME PLANNING..you fool. Input comes from the HC, Off coor, def coor..qb coach..RB coach..etc…THEIR ASSTS ARE NEVER IN THAT LOOP, for a reason..IT’S NOT THEIR JOB.
They’re the grunts..those that follow out their superior’s biddings..they do as the are told, and are not expected to “game plan”.
Last thing any organization needs is 15-20 guys giving ‘INPUT” to the upcoming weeks game plan..moron.
But hey, you are right about one thing..those in those positions? By no choice of their own, they are learning things.
You’re such a big boy, aren’t you, Glenny? *pat on head*
August 27th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I know a lot of you think the problems with our Run D are due to the DEs, but I still think it’s the DTs.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Kookie, you are the one who is fighting with everyone. And you spill your hate for Al Davis. Kookie, you have a rancid personality. That’s why you’re an old geezer on an internet blog.
MR it’s all the same with you. You’re just boring that’s all. Same with rackoshit and Dud. You just bore me.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
MR,
I mean: why talk about him when we can be talking Raiders. That’s it.
Legalize it!!!
August 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
YOU stupidly stated that Bill Walsh learned EVERYTHING HE KNOWS ABOUT FOOTBALL FROM AL DAVIS, IN THE ONE YEAR THAT HE WAS A RB ASST..even though Al Davis wasn’t around..even though John Rauch was HC.
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Where did I say that rackodshit?? You have completely lost your mind. No one has any respect for you. We sh** in your face. How’s that taste?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Oakpussy
I don’t fight with everybody. Yeah, I’m older, local, and forgot more about the Raiders than you’ll ever know.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
post #71 takes the cake. What exactly is this guy talking about? What coaches have been able to pull off under Al Davis’s nose.
Can someone interpret this garbage? Al Davis phylosophies? which I think he means Davis likes to go deep. Does this dumbell think that coaches run offenses under Mr Davis’s nose without him knowing it.
Oakglenn is that what he’s saying?? he can’t possibly be this dumb…….no way. Is that really what he is saying?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Raider O, if you were paying attention, you would know I was talking about the Raiders. I dont think Heyward Bey is very good. I think we should have taken Crabtree. The reason I went into his situation with the Niners is because Davis shills go right to that to make the case that DHB was the better pick.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Richochet
You’re a needy sad little thing too, aren’t you?
You and Oakglenn are two sides of the same counterfeit coin.
You must be some powerless little creature angry at the world for your circumstances.
Don’t bother responding.
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Weren’t you the child who was literally crying..saying “How come so and so gets to insult me…and I CAN’T REPLY BACK?????”
“WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
Yeah, you sniveling little joke, lol..that WAS YOU.
Now shut up, and get back to crying.
You’re like a little insecure leech, who’s desperate to be heard, but is so worried no one cares to even listen.
And damn dude..quit with the friggin whining.
think about it..little children toss out silly little comments, then cry “don’t talk to me..DON’T TALK TO ME”
You practice that, or does the cowardly bit just come naturally?
Or maybe you’re just an idiot kid?? lol..I think that’s it.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
priest, everyone knows Al Davis loves the deep ball and man defense. Everyone knows coaches have had to struggle to get any other philosophies into our game plan. Your little game isn’t working. Everyone knows you’re just playing dumb because you have no argument.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
MR,
Do you like Chaz? If you do, then why draft Crab? DHB can do more for our entire offense.
We can’t run when teams have 8 & 9 men in the box, crab doesn’t have the speed, but DHB has speed to demand double teams on deep routes.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
He also has size, 6′2 210. If he can play well, he can be like Andre Johnson from the Texans. Speed and size.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
priest, are you going to be in here the night after the SD game, win lose or tie? I’ll be. If we win, I’ll give you believers the credit you deserve. I’ve always said that a week one win would convince me that the Raiders are for real. The Raiders always have a good season when they win week one. So, I’ll be here to congratulate you, Oakglenn and Hayez for having faith all along, and I’ll also admit that I was wrong. Will you be here if the Raiders lose? Oakglenn didn’t pop up till like 3 days after the Denver loss last year, after months of yapping about how the Raiders were going to destroy them and that anyone who didn’t think so was stupid. You’re not going to pull the same crap, are you? You will be in here the night of the SD, after the game, win lose or tie, won’t you?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Kookie, you are the one who is fighting with everyone. And you spill your hate for Al Davis. Kookie, you have a rancid personality. That’s why you’re an old geezer on an internet blog.
MR it’s all the same with you. You’re just boring that’s all. Same with rackoshit and Dud. You just bore me.
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These words are NEVER spoken by anyone who feels he stepped up..words of someone who’s grasping for an excuse to backtrack like a slapped on little child.
Look at KryingKell..he has the cowardly lion bit down..big time. You’re a close second.
Hey??? I got it..why don’t you two spineless girls buddy up? You know..the ultimate “I’m in the gutter”..start having conversations between yourselves about others. It’s kind of like a “I’m an idiot. So are you. Misery loves company” thang..
Try it..
August 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
MR,
If you watch the past 2 games, you can see that he demands double team on deep routes, and that alone will help our offense.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Arguement about what? what I said about Kenny Stabler or zones. Phylsophies are one thing what happens on the field is totally something else. We run zones and Kenny Stabler was short to intermediate passer.
How is that playing dumb, dumbass?? I gave you facts and you say I’m playing dumb? Gruden was hired by Mr Davis right? to run the WCO right? how is that playing dumb? it’s a FACT.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Raider O, great points. But I think Crabtree is better than Chaz. Also, DHB can’t catch the ball, so having him in the lineup isn’t going to draw guys out of the box.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
MR, you must wrk hard at being that stupid.
Raider O, explain your position on the DT’s being the problem?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Oakpussy,
you and Priest swallow losing like one of those professional swallowing girls.
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See what I’m talking about?
This is 7th grade stuff.
Pathetic..
and you think that’s a worth while response? lol…geez.
How old are you, again? Thought I read you’re “older”..older like in 13? or older older..like in 15?
August 27th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
priest, your game is so old. Insult, insult, insult, shill, shill, shill, lie, lie, lie, distract, distract, distract.,,,,Just carry on. The rest of us are talking football.
I happen to have a lot of respect for Raider O. He’s a fan who believes, yet isn’t entirely full of shyt, like priesttj. priesttj does nothing but sit in here and lie all day and all night, and insult anyone who’s not dumb enough to believe his b.s. and dares to call him on it. Raider O, you’re making great points tonight, even though we disagree. Enjoy talking to you. I’m just going to ignore this priest a-hole now. He’s not even worth it.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
One last comment for you, priest, then I’m done with you. You’re on ignore after this, like the tick you are. Al Davis has said repeatedly that he believes in going deep and playing man defense. Yes, Stabler ran a short throwing offense. Stabler also said in his book that Al didn’t like it. We all know what happened with Gruden. It’s a pain in the ass for a coach to do anything in Oakland other than throw the ball downfield and play man coverage on defense. A coach that strays too far away from either of those things winds up in Al’s dog house. Say what you’ve got to say in response I can promise you I won’t be reading it. I just hope you have the balls to show up in here after the SD game if we lose. But I doubt you will. You’ll pull a bytch move like your girlfriend Oakglenn did last year after the Denver game. Watch.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
BHP,
Give me a min. My mini pin is up to no good.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Thank you MR for the nice comments.
BHP,
TK and Warren do a great job when they penetrate, but they get pushed back on run plays.
IMO they are better at pass rushing, but we still lack a player to add to that rotation to help stuff the run.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Saturday, let’s see if the Raiders can hold N.O. under 120 yds rushing.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
This D-Line is never going to be great. But, If they can hold teams to under 120yds on the ground, the Offense might be able to compensate.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
BHP,
I agree that we can’t have great players at every position, but we don’t have a Nast run stuffer to add to that rotation to make it great. All we need is one DT who can Stuff the run, and help at MLB.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:00 am
GO RAIDERS!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Raider O, that’s a fair assesment if you understand in most cases they being doubled. But take for instance the first drive when the relievers came in against the niners. when it became apparent the niners were going tp score via the run. Cable drought in TK he peomptly beat the double and blew up the play in their backfield on 3rd down. The drive ended in a FG.
Team are forced to doule Warren and Kelly has shown so far in the preseason that he can’t be blocked. Now if you watch NO will double Warren and TK is going to be doubled on occasion as well but so far they haven’t been able to move both. So we’ll see
Again I’ll take another great player at any position, so I’ll agree we need another player at DT. Bring him in now.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 am
We need a DT to handle business seriously. Maybe one will step up and fill that role. But we all know what we have at DT and none of them seem capable of doing that. Just maybe the Offense will have the ball longer so the D isnt gassed by the end of the Third Quarter.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:03 am
we need that nasty MLB roaming the middle. Romanowski where are you?
August 28th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Notice priest even harasses faithful fans who so much as remotely question the perfection of this team. Raider O just asks a question about the D line, and priest is putting the full court press on him. What a fuqqin as sshole.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Priest, I know I said I wouldn’t direct any comments toward you anymore, but you never answered my question. Will you be here the evening of the SD game, after the game, if we lose? I’ll be here if we win, giving you and Oakglenn props for being right. Will you be in here if we lose?
August 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am
KK, it’s preseason dude, who cares if we give up 150 in the 4th qrtr. We wont know where we are vs the run until the 3rd or 4th game in reg. season. IMO
August 28th, 2009 at 12:08 am
At least one of the DT’s are double-teamed on every play in the NFL.
There’s more O-Linemen than D-Lineman. The Center & One Guard Double a DT on every snap.
But forget the straw-man technicalities. Look at the Results. 49′r RB Coffee had 100yds by half-time.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:08 am
This site sucks I’m off to bed. Tired of hittin refresh 50 times per post.
Adios!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Priesttj Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am
KK, it’s preseason dude, who cares if we give up 150 in the 4th qrtr.
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More disingenuous nonsense. Coffee had over 100 yds by half-time.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 am
priest, you’re going to be in here after the SD game if we lose, right? You’re not going to lay low for 3 days, like Oakglenn did last year, right?
August 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Kell, we’ll see if Priest, Oakglenn, and Hayez are in here after the SD game if we lose. Oakglenn was awol last year after the denver loss.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am
It’s getting late gents, and I have to go.
Have a great evening, and thank you for your time.
Later Gents.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:16 am
MR
We’ll see if you’re in here if they win.
Gnite
August 28th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Later Kell, Raider O.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Kell, I’ll be here if they win. That’s a promise. I’ll give props to everyone in here who said we were good. You don’t know me, Kool Kell. I always own up when I’m wrong. Always. I’m a man, unlike some people in here. Goodnight.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:22 am
haha anybody the video on brandon marshall and how he was acting in camp??? Man he really hates denver… And I thoughty randy was bad.lol Id sign em just so he can cut loose and rub it in when we kick denvers ass two times every year.(:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Dmac20 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:22 am
haha anybody the video on brandon marshall and how he was acting in camp??? Man he really hates denver… And I thoughty randy was bad.lol Id sign em just so he can cut loose and rub it in when we kick denvers ass two times every year.(:
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we dont need this type of character to rub off on the rest of the team. He will be a bad pick up.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:45 am
also we dont have top ten money for MR Marshall especially with all those off the field issues.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
hang in there real raider fans.. the haters and trolls do not understand how the universe, life and even football works in cycles. The greats will come back and reclaim their throne. Al might be a bit of a senile ol’ man focused on winning.. but he is a still an extraordinary senile ol genius of a man still focused on winning who might slip at times, but can still learn from mistakes and get it right. slowly but surely its what we have been doing.
they say the vertical offenses and man to man is outdated and that we have not caught up with the innovations of the nfl in the free agency era.
free agency shot us in the foot in recent years as well as helped reach and win in the playoffs. eventually, these old age views is going to catch up to the rest of the league and smash em in the mouth like an unexpected lightning storm coming fierce like a blitz of the raider speed! these pansies and divas seeking higher contracts are the epitome of what wrong with are league are going to be cold clocked by men with character who are appreciative of what is given to them. that sounds like the heart of a warrior ready to pounce on them bitches.
think of it like alternative medicine thats been around since ancient times.. its old.. but it is actually better than modern innovation.. over thinking and will eventually be whipped by raw fundamentals and natural instincts… as opposed to over thinking!
August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Looks like we are heading for something like:
1. J.Russell (QB)
2. Garcia (QB)
3. Frye (QB)
4. McFadden (RB)
5. Bush (RB)
6. Fargas (RB)
7. Neal (FB)
8. G.Russell (RB/FB)
9. Z.Miller (TE)
10. Myers (TE)
11. Stewart (TE)
12. Henderson (OT)
13. Barnes (OT)
14. Pears (OT)
15. Green (OT)
16. Gallery (OG)
17. Carlisle (OG)
18. McQuistan (OG)
19. M.Johnson (OG)
20. Satele (C)
21. Wade (C)
22. Heywood-Bey (WR)
23. Schillens (WR)
24. Murphy (WR)
25. Higgins (WR/PR)
26. Walker (WR)
27. N.Miller (WR)
28. Asomugha (CB)
29. C.Johnson (CB)
30. Routt (CB)
31. J. Miller (CB/KR)
32. Branch (S)
33. Mitchell (S)
34. Eugene (S)
35. Huff (S)
36. Morrison (LB)
37. Howard (LB)
38. Brown (LB)
39. Alston (LB)
40. Norris (LB)
41. Ekejuiba (LB)
42. Scott (DE)
43. Richardson (DE)
44. Ellis (DE)
45. Shaughnessy (DE)
46. Kelly (DT)
47. Warren (DT)
48. Joseph (DT)
49. Bryant (DT)
50. Boschetti (DT/DE)
51. Condo (LS)
52. Lechler (P)
53. Janikowski (K)
I personally would prefer to see Rankin and Strong for Fargas and Gary Russell, but I suspect that won’t happen. I have left both Nick Miller and Justin Miller in the 53 but, Nick Miller might be vulnerable if we keep another DB or another LB (Greenwood?).
The risk is that other teams will snatch Nick, Rankin and Strong from our PSquad if they dont make the 53.
The other toss-ups are on the Oline. I have left in Johnson and Wade but we could keep Morris and Wilson instead.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:55 am
Just to clear up some Bill Walsh talk for the meatheads…
This is from the article that named Al Davis the most significant sports figure in the Bay Area of the 20th century…
“He was one of the great coaches I have ever observed … a truly great coach,” 49ers president and former Davis employee Bill Walsh says. “Had he chosen to remain in coaching, he would
be considered one of the great coaches of all time.”
In this article, 12-29-00, from the Press Democrat this is what Mike Lombardi said…
“I always wanted to work with Al because of Bill Walsh.”…”When I was with the 49ers,” Lombardi said, “I would drive Bill from place to place, and I’d ask him about football. It’s hard for Bill to share his knowledge. One time he said, ‘The most football I learned was working at the Raiders.’”
August 28th, 2009 at 3:57 am
[...] and Al’s philosophy, but it’s exactly that. Far fetched. … Read more here: Training camp highlights, lowlights – Inside the Oakland Raiders … Share and [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 4:00 am
Just read the huge exchange.
As mediator the following is true:
1) Kenny Stabler had no big arm. Could barely throw deep to save his life.
2) The Charger game will indeed dictate how good we are this year.
3) Al loves man to man coverage and it’s been successful with all the great CB’s we have had. Got burned by a lot of TE’s underneath but rarely gave up the long ball. Whenever we play too much zone we get burned.
4)You can’t judge Crabtree and DHB on what they did in college. They’re in the NFL now. At least ONE of them is.
5) Al Davis has lost it, but did a good job this offseason, and the team has improved!
6) We need to stop the run.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:06 am
In MR’s defense, we have sucked for a long time and he is entitled to withold judgement until he sees some proof that we are good.
On the other hand, we have improved and our failure is not just due to the fact that Al requires that we play man to man or just throw deep.
It’s a bunch of things combined. Lack of continuity in coaching and schemes (we don’t just throw deep and play man to man) and the inability to keep one system where the correct players can be plugged in.
We switch around too much and haven’t been able to field a team that matches the current system. THAT’s the problem.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:07 am
Got to admit that switching coaches and not fully implementing ONE unified scheme and filling the special roles for the schemes is Al’s fault.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:19 am
GalacticGus Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
hang in there real raider fans.. the haters and trolls do not understand how the universe, life and even football works in cycles. The greats will come back and reclaim their throne. Al might be a bit of a senile ol’ man focused on winning.. but he is a still an extraordinary senile ol genius of a man still focused on winning who might slip at times, but can still learn from mistakes and get it right. slowly but surely its what we have been doing.
they say the vertical offenses and man to man is outdated and that we have not caught up with the innovations of the nfl in the free agency era.
free agency shot us in the foot in recent years as well as helped reach and win in the playoffs. eventually, these old age views is going to catch up to the rest of the league and smash em in the mouth like an unexpected lightning storm coming fierce like a blitz of the raider speed! these pansies and divas seeking higher contracts are the epitome of what wrong with are league are going to be cold clocked by men with character who are appreciative of what is given to them. that sounds like the heart of a warrior ready to pounce on them bitches.
think of it like alternative medicine thats been around since ancient times.. its old.. but it is actually better than modern innovation.. over thinking and will eventually be whipped by raw fundamentals and natural instincts… as opposed to over thinking!
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AMEN brother
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 4:29 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 4:31 am
Cable see’s Dmac is da MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sky is the limit 4him,imo
August 28th, 2009 at 4:51 am
priesttj Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Let MR tell it, Kenny Stabler was big strong armed athlete. Stabler would’ve been the quintessential WCO QB he perfected the short to intermediate passing attack.
But this dumbell woudn’t know it. He also thinks Kenny threw the ball deep 20 times a games.
I’ve always said;Joe Montana was the SECOND coming of Kenny Stabler…period
August 28th, 2009 at 4:56 am
Dude Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
How long you Pollyanas been saying wait till we win?
DUDE!!! Dude is back!!! We thought you were rack-o-shit but even you arent THAT stooooooooooopid =)
August 28th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Scottish raider-
Lorenzo Neal isn’t on the team anymore, I think you might be referring to Oren Oneal, either way I don’t see Lawton on your list, you think they will keep Gary R. over him?
August 28th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Raiders vs. Saints
The Oakland Raiders face the New Orleans Saints this Saturday, August 29, 2009. Kickoff is scheduled for 1:00 p.m. PST.
This week’s game will be televised locally on tape-delay on KICU Action 36 Cable 6 on Saturday, August 29 at 5:00 p.m. The game can be heard live on Raiders Radio originating on KSFO 560 AM, the flagship for the Silver and Black’s Radio Network.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:40 am
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/video/20590420/ Can’t believe a grown adult would act like that so he don’t wanna get fined but won’t hustle damn. I was laughing hear on knbr yesterday them laughing about the Raiders and Cowboys recent drafts?Who the hell are the niners to talk about anybody’s drafts how is small hands smith doing and man crabtree is killing, other than Gore or Willis I wouldn’t take anybody off that squad.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:00 am
I love the part where he punts the ball. It was also pretty funny watching them throw the ball to him.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Raiders vs. Saints is the featured live game on the NFL Newwork if you can get it.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:04 am
This saturdays game is live on NFL network.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:05 am
morning Hwnrdr!!! tommorrow is the bid day 4 you!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:06 am
biG
August 28th, 2009 at 6:07 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. BEEN POSTING TO FAST…
August 28th, 2009 at 6:08 am
4EVA, HWNDR, NOMOREFARGAS,EXLA. GOOD DAY 2 ALL
August 28th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Yeah, I can’t wait to get back into the flow of things!!! I had to go through my jerseys last night. i guess I’m wearing my McFadden tomorrow!!!
Morning Dirt Lot, 4eva, NMF, Exla, and everyone else in the AM!!! Happy Friday!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Morning guys, try this with your coffee, you won’t believe this. Elwood is marrying a Raider cheerleader or ex I should say:
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/09/26/paige-green-and-john-elway-engaged-photos/
John Elway, retired Denver Broncos quarterback and Hall of Famer, is engaged to marry Oakland Raiders cheerleader Paige Green. The couple were in Italy together last week when the football great proposed to the 41 year old.
Elway, 48, was married to Janet Elway for 18 years. They have four children: Jessica, Jordan, Juliana (Juju) and Jack. The couple divorced in 2003.
Paige Green met Elway at a golf tournament in Los Angeles that was hosted by former Raiders running back Marcus Allen. Green hung up her pom poms and moved to Denver last year to be with Elway full time.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Morning TW,
I think they got married earlier this year. Sorry, I cannot open up the article at work. Question is: Who’s the trader? Haha!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Now that you said that, I will 4eva!!!
Thanks!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:20 am
hwnrdr, the article just shows pix. Paige Green is the traitor.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:24 am
STRING ‘EM BOTH UP 4 BEING TRAITOR’S RAIDER TW !!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Been trying to get through the word press for 20 minutes. You got to do something about it Jerry Mac.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:28 am
I sure am looking forward to 1st team against 1st team even if it is vanilla.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:29 am
FIREING-SQUAD–LETHAL INJECTION–ELECTRIC CHAIR,ALL VIABLE OPTION’S 4 AN EX-BRONCO / TRTAITER
August 28th, 2009 at 6:34 am
raiderjhawk. Good spot – yes I meant Oren O’Neal not the newly retired Lorenzo.
I think Gary Russell offers more than Lawton. Better hands and he is a proven red zone TD machine. Fargas doesn’t score TDs. DMC isn’t strong enough to smash through dlines. Bush is big enough but is unproven. Russell can get the job done inside the 5.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:39 am
No Bronco will marry inside of the Raiders org would they? or vice versa? Haha! Lethal Injection…of Al’s walker!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Morning NATION!!!!!!!!
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:28 am
I sure am looking forward to 1st team against 1st team even if it is vanilla.
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Should be more of a neopolitian….starters may even play in the 3rd quater!! I mostly wanna see how our D handles one of the better offenses in the NFL… Should be interesting….alot of young talent fighting for thier roster lifes….And we have some questions at LB as well as DT….and maybe a WR/RB desiscion to make….
I Can Feel IT…RETURN TO EXCELLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:40 am
HWNDR,WILL C U TOMORROW 11;00..
August 28th, 2009 at 6:43 am
I just took the article around work, DIRT-LOT, & people are appalled! I live in Denver, so I told them she will slowly poison him to get the last half of his money (horse face Janet Elwood got the 1st half)!
For some good news, Denver is voting to lower marajawanna fines to $1 for an OZ & under. I’ll smoke to that!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:48 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:40 am
HWNDR,WILL C U TOMORROW 11;00..
See ya there Dirt Lot! Will be wearing my #20 (Black)!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:53 am
HWNDR, OO BLACK !!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Double 0…Nice!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:57 am
im glad DHB is proving me wrong we stillneed to stop the run i think the o will be fine
August 28th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Good morning.
Enjoy the game on Saturday. It wll most likely be the last time we see Sands in the NFL.
He is the worst value on this team.
If we do not stop the run this week I still think Warren is at risk as well.
Warren at $5 mil/yr and Sands at $3 mil/yr represent terrible value.
Kelly will never perform up to his salary but he deserves a shot this year after his ACL.
I think Bryant replaces Sands and I would not be surprised to see us pick up a last day cut DT from someone else before the Bolts game.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:00 am
GOT TO GO,A GREAT WEEKEND TO ALL..
August 28th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Crystal Ball: Ten predictions for the Oakland Raiders regular season
The Oakland Raiders will be among the leaders in team rushing. Justin Fargas boldly predicted that the trio of himself, Michael Bush, and Darren McFadden will each get 1000 yards. That won’t happen, but they will combine for over 2000 yards rushing.
Zach Miller will once again lead the Raiders in receptions. The wide receivers numbers will have much better production than in 2008. However, this will force teams to leave the talented tight end in single coverage and he will feast. Miller will get his first Pro Bowl bid.
Once again, Nnamdi Asomugha will get thrown on sparingly at best. He will give up less than ten catches, with no touchdowns allowed. He will be All-Pro yet again.
JaMarcus Russell will be efficient, but he won’t have gaudy numbers. With the running game hitting on all cylinders, he won’t need to have great numbers. He will have a completion percentage in the mid fifties and about 2300 yards. (800-850 yards of that will be caught by Miller.)
Javon Walker will play in eight games before he gets hurt again. It won’t be his knee re-injured, but he will be hurt again.
Kirk Morrison will again lead the team in tackles, but he will again be under the microscope.
The Raiders will continue their struggle against the run. However, this will be eclipsed by the offensive success as teams will be forced to throw.
Darrius Heyward-Bey will have a more successful season numbers wise than Michael Crabtree.
Tom Cable will not be fired after the season.
The Raiders will have less than ten losses for the first time since 2002.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:42 am
@Richochet
You clearly have a sad existence. I am refering to you, not the 9ers, not anything to do with football, just you. I don’t understand why:
A) You think your opinion impacts any of these Raiders fans, who clearly have there minds made up on this years team, and only results will improve or regress any derived opinion
B) You think you are intelligent clearly, however the remedial way you banter with everyone proves without a doubt you are far from
C) You have enough time in your life to argue with up to five raider fans at once. Get a job or something you cretin
D) You don’t understand how may people are reading your online tantrums, and wondering what kind of deranged and pasty problem child you were/still are?
E) When the last time you got layed was. Judging from the angst of your posts maybe the day is yet to come… or maybe you’re disjointed from an excess of rough SF lovin
I can’t wait to see what kind of arts and crafts project you cut and paste together to respond, but I guess ill have to because I don’t troll these waters 21 hours a day like you do… do you set an alarm clock for 4am so you can check to see who has responded to one of you inter-tourettes outbursts?
August 28th, 2009 at 7:46 am
TW,
Not bad, not bad. Couple of things I would disagree with… Miller to the PB. Not gonna happen. Gates, Clark and Daniels all play in more prolific passing games and 2 of them will be in Hawaii come Feb. The Raiders are losing 10 games. DHB better than Crabtree?? Thats not to bold considering Crabtree prob wont get on the field untill week 2 or 3. DHB wont be an impact player, hes not that good.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am
happy friday! quick question …
are me (yesterday) and Scottish (today) the only ones with the balls to put up 53 man rosters prior to the cutdowns ???
Scottish sees the Raiders keeping Gary Russell, Nick Miller, Marcus Johnson and Desmond Bryant.
I see the Raiders keeping Luke Lawton, Chris Morris, Sam Williams & Rashad Baker.
those are our only differences and you’ll notice all 8 players listed fill out the bottom quarter of the roster anyways. most they’ll contribute will be on special teams (3 of the players I selected above are great on ST, Morris can play multiple positions on the OL and already has 2 years in the zbs under Cable)
August 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Completion percentage in the mid 50s, and only 140 yds passing per game?
Less than 10 catches all year? NO TDs?
Less than 10 losses? LOL, that’s going out on a limb!
Wow, I hope you still have your receipt for that crystal ball!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:02 am
It takes balls to make a guess at who stays on the team?? LOL! Ok. Its especially comical considering you havent been to any practices and really have no idea what the coaches are thinking. LOL. Keep posting your guesses though. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Balls?
To list 53 players?
Are you serious?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
THE “Dude” is back?
LOL,
I’m sure my man O will be happy about that.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Dude, Jhill, Dell …
feel free to join if you got the stones!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Alex Smith just married a Raiderette also.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Were you surprised the freshman won the QB job at SC? I didn’t see that coming, but hey, at least we will get 3 years out of the kid.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Alex Smith just married a Raiderette also.
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what was his name?
was it “Bob”?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
RR,
Stop it. Your embarrasing yourself. Stones?? LOL!!!
It takes stones to guess who gets cut and who dznt! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next can we guess what the coaches will have for dinner tonight?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Waanaberocker,..isnt it a little too early for you to attempt humor and fail?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Barkley had the job the minute he stepped on campus. Better not matter cuz if they dont run 40 times a game Bates is an idiot.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Bruh,
I doubt if I could name 53 players on the squad. Best I can do is tell you who I’d like to see start on both sides of the ball and maybe the backups at a couple spots.
STs guys and 3rd stringers? Not that serious.
JRuss
Bush
McFadden
ONeal
DHB
Chaz
JLH
Murphy
Walker
Miller
rookie TE
RT McQuistan
RG 78 I think his # is
Satele
Gallery
Henderson
Barnes
Shaugnessy
Scott
Warren
Kelly
Ellis
Brown
Howard
Morrison
Johnson
Nnamdi
Huff
Branch
Bryant
That’s about all I got, sorry!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Next can we guess what the coaches will have for dinner tonight?
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you wanna go there? take one look at Tom Cable …
I say pizza
August 28th, 2009 at 8:21 am
STs guys and 3rd stringers? Not that serious.
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hmmmmmmmm…I beg to differ…..
August 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jhill: you’ve proven yourself to be a real man
at least you attempted the 53 man roster
Raiders.com has a current roster if anyone is interested
the rest of you are chickens or pansies obviously
August 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
I don’t know … True Freshman?!?!?
I know he was the man coming out of HS. I guess we’ll see. Haven’t looked at the schedule or how the other teams in the conference look, but the Rose Bowl might be a reach this year.
Will be interesting to see the new OC and how he handles it.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Cable will eat what ever hanson’s momma packed him in his lunch box!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Ill be a chicken.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
OAKlifer & Dakota: will you please show these guys what a 53 man roster looks like ???
August 28th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Like I said, he needs to just hand off to Stafon, CJ and Joe 40 times a game. Sanchez funkd everything up when he left and it forced their hand. Ideally Barkly would be backing up Sanchez this year and stepping in next year.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Dude Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
RR,
Stop it. Your embarrasing yourself. Stones?? LOL!!!
It takes stones to guess who gets cut and who dznt! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next can we guess what the coaches will have for dinner tonight?
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sure…
offensive line coaches = beef, raw beef w/ketchup sauce…
defensive line coaches = squid, raw squid w/teriyaki sauce…
linebackers & defensive backs coaches = clams, steamed
offensive backfield coaches = bison, raw bison w/barbeque sauce
wide receivers coaches = ribs, barbequed…
head coach = tossed salad w/side of beef… uh, the entire side…
August 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am
jhill Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Were you surprised the freshman won the QB job at SC? I didn’t see that coming, but hey, at least we will get 3 years out of the kid
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We? Is this a USC Condom blog?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Think you nailed it pete.
Bo,
Dont be mad cuz UM is SCs bitch.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Morning nation. rrs ur killin me. I 2 will be a chicken as i am on my phone ill post my roster tonight tho.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Yeah …
That defense and the running game might be enough, but I think the kid is going to have to win a game or two throwing the ball. That may be the one or two losses that keep us out of the RB.
Should be fun to watch though.
I thought there was some young black kid that was in the running? I saw him on Jim Hill’s show and he’s suppossed to be the top recruit, yada, yada, yada.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Black kid at QB? Nah. Corp was the other guy in the race. He can run like the wind but hes a cracker.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
In your dreams Dude. SC is the armpit of SoCal.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Maybe that kid was a HS senior who’s coming in next year ….
I mean, really, they were slobbering all over this kid.
It was just a few weeks ago. Must’ve been a HS kid.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I must have been dreaming about USC destroying Michigan in those Rose Bowls. Huh…. Sorry bout that.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Huh. Remember his name JHill?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I don’t …
I’ll get back to you on that one though.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Rockstar…there I got stoned are you happy??? lol
August 28th, 2009 at 8:50 am
ill post my roster tonight
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you guys take notes. thats the measure of a man
408! 408! 408!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:50 am
My bad …
jumping the gun a bit, still in HS.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/usc/football/recruiting/player-Jesse-Scroggins-95019
August 28th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Yeah, I heard of him. Cant believe he would come to SC as a QB with Barkley there though. Maybe he is gonna be a WR.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
4eva: i’d be more impressed if you threw a spear at one of those 300 pound hogs (no. not MaddenRaider’s mom) and shipped some fresh bacon to Missouri
make it Attn: white trash Raider fan
don’t worry. it’ll get here
August 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
=) LOL
August 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
From wiki:
“Originally titled the “Tournament East-West football game,” the first Rose Bowl was first played on January 1, 1902, starting the tradition of New Year’s Day bowl games. The inaugural game featured Fielding Yost’s dominating 1901 Michigan team, representing the East, who crushed a previously 3-1-2 team from Stanford University, representing the West, by a score of 49–0 after Stanford quit in the third quarter. Michigan finished the season 11–0 and was considered the national champion. Yost had been Stanford’s coach the previous year. The game was so lopsided that for the next 15 years, the Tournament of Roses officials ran chariot races, ostrich races, and other various events instead of football. But, on New Year’s Day 1916 football returned to stay as The State College of Washington defeated Brown University in the first annual Rose Bowl.”
Dude, next time someone’s teaching why don’t you get taught.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:05 am
repost news for those who missed it:
Morning guys, try this with your coffee, you won’t believe this. Elwood is marrying a Raider cheerleader or ex I should say:
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/09/26/paige-green-and-john-elway-engaged-photos/
John Elway, retired Denver Broncos quarterback and Hall of Famer, is engaged to marry Oakland Raiders cheerleader Paige Green. The couple were in Italy together last week when the football great proposed to the 41 year old.
Elway, 48, was married to Janet Elway for 18 years. They have four children: Jessica, Jordan, Juliana (Juju) and Jack. The couple divorced in 2003.
Paige Green met Elway at a golf tournament in Los Angeles that was hosted by former Raiders running back Marcus Allen. Green hung up her pom poms and moved to Denver last year to be with Elway full time.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:05 am
any spots left in Raider fans fantasy football?
August 28th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Damn you have to go back to 1902 to find Michigan winning a outright National Championship. Any school that produces Raiders is all good with me . Only 1 month till Boise rocks us and they change our nickname from Bulldogs to Boise’s bitches .
August 28th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Bo,
Will you please post the scores of the Last 3 Rose Bowls? Thanks.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:11 am
USC all-time record: 766–303–54 (.717)
Michigan all-time record: 872–294–36 (.740)
Michigan has the MOST all-time wins and HIGHEST all-time winning percentage in NCAA Division I-A history.
I know it hurts. We can move on to Raider football now for all you sensitive condom fans.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am
1. J.Russell (QB)
2. Garcia (QB)
3. Frye (QB)
4. McFadden (RB)
5. Bush (RB)
6. Fargas (RB)
7. Neal (FB)
8. G.Russell (RB/FB) I would like this but Reece or Myers takes this spot.
9. Z.Miller (TE)
10. Myers (TE) (Greenwood takes this spot)
11. Stewart (TE)
12. Henderson (OT)
13. Barnes (OT)
14. Pears (OT)
15. Green (OT)
16. Gallery (OG)
17. Carlisle (OG)
18. McQuistan (OG)
19. M.Johnson (OG)
20. Satele (C)
21. Wade (C)
22. Heywood-Bey (WR)
23. Schillens (WR)
24. Murphy (WR)
25. Higgins (WR/PR)
26. Walker (WR)
27. N.Miller (WR)
28. Asomugha (CB)
29. C.Johnson (CB)
30. Routt (CB)
31. J. Miller (CB/KR)
32. Branch (S)
33. Mitchell (S) (may be on IR if so Boyd or perhaps Harris make the roster or the Williams scholarship continues)
34. Eugene (S)
35. Huff (S)
36. Morrison (LB)
37. Howard (LB)
38. Brown (LB)
39. Alston (LB)
40. Norris (LB)
41. Ekejuiba (LB) (Both He and Alston better step it up on D the ST squad wont save your career for ever)
42. Scott (DE)
43. Richardson (DE)
44. Ellis (DE)
45. Shaughnessy (DE)
46. Kelly (DT)
47. Warren (DT)
48. Joseph (DT)
49. Bryant (DT)
50. Boschetti (DT/DE)
51. Condo (LS)
52. Lechler (P)
53. Janikowski (K)
I still see us bringing in one Real LB if greenwood dsnt work out and one DT before kickoff Monday night!!
But there is only a few spots that arfe not soilid this is pretty easy depending on a huge move or something…
Positions open one WR spot…Miller should get it
One RB/FB/TE spot who gets it Reece, Myers, or do we carry 7 LB’s?
then we have one Saftey spot with Mitchell maybe havibg the hammy that dont quit….I personaly would like to see Boyd make the roster but Im sure it would be Baker…which is fine bye me I like Baker…Just prefere Boyd!!
Predictions…Garcia will be traded by deadline….
Sands will be cut…Warren jon will be lost to some one out working him…and we will have a surprise release…i.e. Sam williams, Garcia, Wade, Ekejuiba, Norris….just a hunch one of those guys will be wearing different colors bye week 6…..
August 28th, 2009 at 9:18 am
“I still see us bringing in one Real LB if greenwood dsnt work out and one DT before kickoff Monday night!!”
Please let it be true!!!!
please!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:05 am
any spots left in Raider fans fantasy football?
This one has two spots……
JerryMac’sKidz2 (ID# 574390)
August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
anyone heard of this M. Stroud trade rumor. First heard it this morning.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Think its B.S.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Mornin Nation!!
whats crackin my raidr brothers?!!
Can’t wait for the game against NO hopefully we’ll crush them. Oh and hahaha post 192 just nailed everything about richochet.
GO RAIDERS!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Everyone must be posting to fast
August 28th, 2009 at 9:29 am
No but I did hear this…….
Broncos suspend Marshall
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/28/broncos-suspend-brandon-marshall/
LOL HAHAH LOL HAHAHAHA
August 28th, 2009 at 9:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
OAKlifer & Dakota: will you please show these guys what a 53 man roster looks like ???
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Sure!:
McFadden
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:30 am
OAKlifer: is that on yahoo? anything else I need to know in order to sign up?
some buddies of mine here in Podunkville convinced me to join a FFL.
I figured if I’m in one, why not two?
Interesting 53 OAKlifer, same as Scottish except PLUS Reece & Greenwood. MINUS Myers and G. Russell
hmmm..
August 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I think that league is full Oakifer
August 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Dakota: that might be the best one i’ve seen yet!
please pass it along to Tom Cable. I noticed Fargas wasn’t on there
“I think that league is full Oakifer”
Silver: is there another option?
August 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am
be back later. lunch time!
August 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I think that league is full Oakifer
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am
we can have 14 teams if wanted…. we only have 12
August 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Rodter?
Southwick x 52, plus Gallery. Danny can’t do it all. LOL.
You get the picture.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Roster, sorry.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
tazZraider Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
rackoshit,
“I often spoke to Bill Walsh when he was dying — on the phone when Walsh was in Stanford Hospital. We made small talk and when I sensed Walsh was tired from the effort I’d say I had to go, but Walsh always said, “Let’s talk about the Raiders.” He said this with a giggle. The Raiders were comic relief to a dying man.
“The Raiders have been comic relief because they have been a joke. Walsh used to laugh at how fat former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was. He told me no man looking like that could coach on a Walsh team. He always spoke respectfully of Al, admired Al’s brains and guts. They had been friends a long time, and Walsh said Al taught him everything he knew about football. I think Paul Brown taught Walsh something, too.”
see rack-o-shit? your ol dumb ass got proven wrong and sid gillman created the vertical offense and he was Al Davis mentor and when BILL WALSH came on the raiders as an assistant in ‘66, he was trained to learn the vertical offenseand then installed his own West Coast offense as i repeat again, but he got his ideas from the vertical offense. Thank you rackoshit and i know you gonna come up with somethin irrevelant and so is your little dick ridin follower rmr.
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PAY ATTENTION.
Bill Walsh’s first and ONLY year in the NFL, with the Raiders, was as a asst rb coach. YOu don’t learn ANY VERTICLE GAME WHEN YOU ARE A RB COACH. How can you? No, not saying you don’t pick up things during the year, but you are leaving and breathing everything about the rb’s, NOT the qb.
He wasn’t devising plays. he wasn’t reading defenses. He wasn’t responsible for analyzing game plans..he worked with the RB’s AS AN ASST.
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Yeah, how would assistant coaches who help with the game planning and work with their units implementing that game plan, especially on both the run and passing games, how would those coaches pick anything up about football?? I mean, they are only surrounded by football guys 20 hours a day. What would they learn.
Kookie, you are once again toast. As usual. Get used to it. Everyone else has.
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PAY ATTENTION RICHOCHET.just because he was an RB assistant doesn’t mean he doesn’t learn the other offense you idiot.Just like oakglenn said these guys spend a lot of time with each other in meeting rooms and of course hes gonna know the offense. O and Sid Gilman? Gilman was DAVIS’ Mentor and he carried what he learned and favored from Gilman thus handing it to Bill Walsh which put walsh under the gilman coaching tree under davis.and it doesn’t matter that john rauch was coach of the raiders, they did what al favored and that was the vertical offense. You are really stupid, Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis.
“As a Raider assistant, Walsh was trained in the vertical passing offense favored by Al Davis, putting Walsh in Davis’ mentor Sid Gillman’s coaching tree. Walsh would later modify his own offensive philosophy to favor a predominantly horizontal passing approach.”
also ricochet read post 150. It doesn’t matter if bill walsh was an rb assistant coach that doesn’t mean hes gonna not learn the offense. You are still evading the fact that Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis. “The most football I learned was with the Raiders”, Bill Walsh said that and your saying that just because rauch was the coach he didn’t learn anything form Davis? You really stupid for thinking that and pathetic because you just can’t escape the fact that Al Davis mentored the greatest coach in your team’s history. A fact is a fact man, don’t try to evade with some lame excuses with sid gilman teachin walsh the offense, well guess what? Your wrong and probably ashamed that Al Davis taught Bill Walsh “everything he knew about football”.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Interesting 53 OAKlifer, same as Scottish except PLUS Reece & Greenwood. MINUS Myers and G. Russell
hmmm..
Basicly the same like I said Miller should make the team…Dont forget my Boyd/Baker prediction with The M Word being hurt…..and Alston & Ekejuiba could be on the way out if Greenwood looks good and Brown can be a real starter…But agian baring anytype of Trade or huge release this is every ones 53…..
August 28th, 2009 at 9:42 am
RECALL
RECALL
RECALL
53 men with out Southwick is like 2 women nice….but to many descions to make…..My bad
August 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
19. M.Johnson (OG)
Forgot abouty Morris kinda he is way more versitile than M.J.
an I see 3 TE and one true FB on our roster which is scary…with OO injury maybe we can shuffle around tho and keep Lawton and Myers…
August 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I like Dakota’s roster
Sure we could have 14 teams I didn’t think of that seems like a lot though.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Hmmm, that is tough…best I could do RR:
Chris Morris
Samson Satele
Chris Johnson
Nnamdi Asomugha
Stanford Routt
Justin Miller
Tyvon Branch
Greg Ellis
Jay Richardson
Matt Shaughnessy
Trevor Scott
Desmond Bryant
Gerard Warren
Ryan Boschetti
Tommy Kelly
Luke Lawton
Oren O’Neal
Hiram Eugene
Cooper Carlisle
Paul McQuistan
Robert Gallery
Sebastian Janikowski
Isaiah Ekejiuba
Jon Alston
Kirk Morrison
Morlon Greenwood
Ricky Brown
Slade Norris
Thomas Howard
Jon Condo
Shane Lechler
Charlie Frye
JaMarcus Russell
Jeff Garcia
Darren McFadden
Justin Fargas
Michael Bush
Michael Huff
Mike Mitchell
Rashad Baker
Cornell Green
Erik Pears
Khalif Barnes
Marcus Johnson
Mario Henderson
Brandon Myers
Zach Miller
Chaz Schilens
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Javon Walker
Johnnie Lee Higgins
Louis Murphy
Nick Miller
August 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am
LOL @ OAKlifer. If only Randy Hanson had yelled “RECALL”.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:54 am
yes 14 teams makes it very difficult to draft all great players you have to work on late round drafting stratagy and game plan better every week…it makes it a little more like a chess match between Gm’s as opposed to “Well I had AP and he scored 3 times oh yhea well i haad Moss and he is leading all WR in TD’s”
It will be more like Dang do I start Jericho Cotchery or Doney Avery…..Sure we will all have our one or two studs but then we will have to scour the draft board to bring in late round talent to bring home the ship….Almost like real life…..but not
August 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Think Denver would take J. Walker for B. Marshall?
August 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
they would if we threw in Ashly Lelie
August 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am
ummmm between Marshall and Cable we would have enough domestic violence…..wait he wasnt dating Hanson was he??????
August 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
From “Inside Bay Area”:
The Raiders went the entire camp without practicing the Wildcat formation, where running back Darren McFadden lines up as quarterback in the shotgun and every-down quarterback JaMarcus Russell lines up at receiver.
The Wildcat formation was used occasionally in Oakland’s offense last season. Cable said any work on that will be done in Alameda, behind closed doors and out of the spotlight.
McFadden said he isn’t sure if Cable intends to reinstall the formation first implemented by former coach Lane Kiffin last year.
“Right now it’s something Coach hasn’t wanted to do in the offense,” McFadden said. “We wanted to get the base of the offense down. I don’t even know if we’re going to use it.”
Here’s a cool youtube link of D-Mac’s Arkansas Coach showing D-Mac running the wildcat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR76aoKghM8
August 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I like the wildcat except for the fact that your putting your franchise QB out on an island and he is no longer a QB but is now a WR and can be slammed by a DB. It would make more sense to put a real WR or a TE, or even a FB out there. I think Z. Miller would be awesome at this??
August 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Southwick x 52, plus Gallery. Danny can’t do it all. LOL.
You get the picture.
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how about this?
1. Danny Southwick
2. Robert Gallery
3. Oren O’Neal
4. Darren McFadden
5. Michael Bush
6. Zach Miller
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey
8. Chaz Schilens
9. Kirk Morrison
10. Thomas Howard
11. Nnamdi Asomugha
bring back ironman football!
these guys can play offense & defense!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:12 am
how about this?
1. Danny Southwick
2. Robert Gallery
3. Oren O’Neal
4. Darren McFadden
5. Michael Bush
6. Zach Miller
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey
8. Chaz Schilens
9. Kirk Morrison
10. Thomas Howard
11. Nnamdi Asomugha
bring back ironman football!
these guys can play offense & defense!
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Russell has to make that roster he would be a Franchise QB and DT first ever!!!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I think Z. Miller would be awesome at this??
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Or Brandon Myers or nick miller!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:18 am
back to work fellas. lots to do. have a great weekend!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Raider Dell Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
52.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Dell: here ya go bro. no changes from here on out. it’s official
QB: Russell, Garcia, Frye
RB: McFadden, Bush, Fargas
FB: O’Neal, Lawton
WR: Heyward-Bey, Schilens, Murphy, Higgins, Walker
TE: Miller, Myers, Stewart
OL: Henderson, Barnes, Gallery, McQuistan, Satele, Wade, Morris, Carlisle, Green, Pears
DL: Ellis, Scott, Shaughnessy, Richardson, Warren, Kelly, Boschetti, Joseph
LB: Brown, Morrison, Howard, Alston, Ekejiuba, Norris, Williams
CB: Asomugha, Johnson, Routt, Miller
S: Eugene, Huff, Branch, Mitchell, Baker
K/P: Janikowski, Lechler
LS: Condo
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RRS
Here our my thoughts on the final 53.I will follow your, list with my changes.
QB Gradkowski- instead of Frye.
FB Russell-also can play HB and special teams.- instead of Lawton.
WR-Add Miller-back up punt return and KO return for JLH.
OL-Wade is left off add Johnson.-Morris can play back up center and long and short snap backup.Johnson can play guard and in a pinch RT.
DL Add Bryant
LB-Norris will be placed on IR.
Practice squad will be interesting. Rankin, Reese, Boyd,Compas, Nixon, ? ?
August 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I think Z. Miller would be awesome at this??
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Or Brandon Myers or nick miller!!!
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Or Pete! When he is not in the ER i mean IR he is a warm up warrior!!!!!!!
ROCKSTAR!!!!!!!!!!1
PASSWORD is ONENATION Draft is this sunday!!!!!!! if you get in we need to fill one spot still!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I hope the Chargers think they are going to play the same team they have been playing the last 6 years… S
August 28th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I wouldn’t worry about jruss in wildcat he would kill a db or safety just like last year vs SD what do most db run 190-205 that is a big boy . So marshall gets to skip practice and will still play opening game wow way to show him whose boss, cable and dhb are looking pretty good next to mcdaniels and marshall.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:31 am
hellsbells Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
anyone heard of this M. Stroud trade rumor. First heard it this morning.
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Bills ahave sucked for years and they just signed TO they are becoming at least relevant I dnt see them losing thier Focal point on the DL they want the playoffs bad..If they bring in TO and let Stroud go and the D is the reason they lose games Jaron will be gone along with anyone else who signs off on that deal…..Not happening….imho
August 28th, 2009 at 10:33 am
So marshall gets to skip practice and will still play opening game wow way to show him whose boss, cable and dhb are looking pretty good next to mcdaniels and marshall.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What up nomo,
Marshall is suspened for maxium 4 games I thought……
August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Dell,
You don’t think we need to find a spot for Rankin? I know, 4 RB’s is a bit much, but damn, fargas is gonna be the #3 by seasons end so I think he’ll finish his career elsewhere. Rankin is that “scat back” we DON”T have. I’d bet he’d be more productive in the long run than Fargas. If I’m Cable, even though I gots much love for Fargas, I gice the snaps to Rankin. If we put him on the P.S. he’s gonna get picked up.
August 28th, 2009 at 10:39 am
It sure is nice to see the donkeys have there troubles for once.
Sooooo…AAAhhhhhhh….ESPN…When does the Broncos get the dysfunctional tag, uhhhhhh….huhh.any day now!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I hope the Chargers think they are going to play the same team they have been playing the last 6 years… S
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NATION, What is UP???????
Chargers have been “game planing” from day one to face the RAIDERS, this from the mouth of norv turner.
Most of the bandwagoes here think it’s automatic win for the dischargers.while a select few beleive we will be improved.
This game will be a good barometer on where this young Raider team is at this point. A snapshot if you will, As i hope we will be improving from game to game. Not the season or season ending depending on the outcome as some on this blog would have you to beleive.
I am of the opinion that this game is winnable…..
Assuming that everything else is on point the Keys to
the game JRUSS, and Run D…
August 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
When will these WRs learn that they are becoming a dime a dozen now in the NFL. You use to be a freak to be over 6′2 running a 4.3-4.4 40 time. Now you see them all the time from the top of the draft to the walk ons. Someone else will come in and take Marshall’s spot.
What an idiot!!!!
This guys new wife or wife to be must be insane to even consider marrying this Bipolar idiot from the land of misfit players.
Fire his @$$ Donkeys!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Dell,
You don’t think we need to find a spot for Rankin? I know, 4 RB’s is a bit much, but damn, fargas is gonna be the #3 by seasons end so I think he’ll finish his career elsewhere. Rankin is that “scat back” we DON”T have. I’d bet he’d be more productive in the long run than Fargas. If I’m Cable, even though I gots much love for Fargas, I gice the snaps to Rankin. If we put him on the P.S. he’s gonna get picked up.
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funny you mention this i read on a discharger blog where they were advocating picking up rankin…..
They were advocating picking up rankin when they have LT……
LT is clearly not the same RB he once was but if our run D doesnt improve by sept 14 he may not have to be.
August 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Thec,
I think it is totally “winable”. Problem is getting our locker room to “KNOW” they can go out and win that game. I’m making a special batch of kool-aid just for that game…
RAIDERS 34 CHARGERS 17
DRINK IT! IT TASTES GOOD!
BLITZ NNAMDI!
CHARGERS REIN AS AFC WEST CHAMPS STOPS SEPT 14TH 2009!
9-7!
PLAYOFFBOUND!
August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Would anyone on this board take a flyer on Brandon Marshall?????
August 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Az, Thanks for the 20 oz glass….
Cant get this flavor from 7-11….
August 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Could Kelly move back to DE in the right circumstance???? like if we landed a Stroud type of presence…..?????
August 28th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Oaklifer, Kelly could, but would have to drop some pounds…
August 28th, 2009 at 10:55 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Dell,
You don’t think we need to find a spot for Rankin? I know, 4 RB’s is a bit much, but damn, fargas is gonna be the #3 by seasons end so I think he’ll finish his career elsewhere. Rankin is that “scat back” we DON”T have. I’d bet he’d be more productive in the long run than Fargas. If I’m Cable, even though I gots much love for Fargas, I gice the snaps to Rankin. If we put him on the P.S. he’s gonna get picked up.
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AZ
Great comment, unfortunately Rankin is caught up in a numbers game. Fargas is the favorite of the staff, meaning head coach. The Raiders took a chance last year and Rankin cleared waivers and was resigned to the practice squad.
August 28th, 2009 at 10:55 am
New guys that need to make the squad based on play & potential:
• Meyers
• Murphy
• Miller
• Rankin
• Shaughnessy
• Bryant
• Boschetti
• Norris
• Nixon
• Frye
That’s a lot of new faces making a difference. I believe our Offense will be unexpectedly potent this year. If we can get the front 7 on defense to step up we just may have a winning season. Wouldn’t that be nice. AFC West title is certainly attainable given the strength of this year’s team and the current state of affairs for the other AFC West teams.
August 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Dell’s lineup at post 271 looks like the one I’m rolling with, with the exception of Southwick for Garcia (I gotta represent).
Also, my fingers are crossed that Joe Cohen stuns the coaches. I know, fat chance. In that case Boschetti would be history.
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Doubt that Rankin, or NMILLER stay on the P.S. long…
I would trade fargas for a 4th rounder in 2020…
August 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Thec07 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Would anyone on this board take a flyer on Brandon Marshall?????
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CJ Legend 34 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
When will these WRs learn that they are becoming a dime a dozen now in the NFL. You use to be a freak to be over 6′2 running a 4.3-4.4 40 time. Now you see them all the time from the top of the draft to the walk ons. Someone else will come in and take Marshall’s spot.
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Ding ding ding yup!!!!
I would rather roll with Miller or Bayes….Oakland is no place for a player who is that unstable he would have the proverbial chair kick out from under him so fast here…..
August 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
You use to be a freak to be over 6′2 running a 4.3-4.4 40 time. Now you see them all the time from the top of the draft to the walk ons.
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SHEEEEET CJ!!!!!!!!!!!!1
hope Uncle Al isnt reading this……..we told him the fast guys where in rounds 1,2,3 only…
August 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I’m for trading Fargas and keeping Rankin. We should be able to get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. He’s going to either be injured or the #3 back so why not get something for him while he’s still healthy? Rankin has much more of an upside. We’d be foolish to let him go.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Thec07 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Doubt that Rankin, or NMILLER stay on the P.S. long…
I would trade fargas for a 4th rounder in 2020…
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I’d be genuinely pissed off if Nick Miller doesn’t get the 6th WR spot. He can do to many things. Gotta find a way to keep him. Especially if JLH is gonna play more of a WR role.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am
OAKlifer Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Ding ding ding yup!!!!
I would rather roll with Miller or Bayes….Oakland is no place for a player who is that unstable he would have the proverbial chair kick out from under him so fast here…..
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“Proverbial chair kicked out from under him!”
LMFAO
August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Thec07 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Doubt that Rankin, or NMILLER stay on the P.S. long…
I would trade fargas for a 4th rounder in 2020…
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I’d be genuinely pissed off if Nick Miller doesn’t get the 6th WR spot. He can do to many things. Gotta find a way to keep him. Especially if JLH is gonna play more of a WR role.
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I totally agree, JLH is a slot guy IMHO…
I think NMILLER would push JLH to suiside watch up the competition and make his game better.
NMILLER kid is special, need to find a way to keep him.
NFL should go to a 63 man roster…
August 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I never felt ashamed of being a human, as much as I do now.
We don’t live forever, you can’t take your stuff were you going, so please wake up! Wake up!!!
We are all going to die, and we can’t take our money, castles, Women, children, or anything with us!!!
It’s a short life, so don’t get fooled with it. There are trees that live longer than us.
We need all the help we can get!
Please, please, Wake up!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Thec07 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I totally agree, JLH is a slot guy IMHO…
I think NMILLER would push JLH to suiside watch up the competition and make his game better.
NMILLER kid is special, need to find a way to keep him.
NFL should go to a 63 man roster…
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63 man roster? They would have to put a cap on how many DB’s you can have with a roster that size and call it the “Raider Rule”.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:15 am
AZ Raider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Thec07 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I totally agree, JLH is a slot guy IMHO…
I think NMILLER would push JLH to suiside watch up the competition and make his game better.
NMILLER kid is special, need to find a way to keep him.
NFL should go to a 63 man roster…
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63 man roster? They would have to put a cap on how many DB’s you can have with a roster that size and call it the “Raider Rule”.
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lol
August 28th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I can just see Nick Miller as turning into a bad ass slot reciever, putting him in the back field… He just looks like he has that “it” factor when he’s on the field. Like a big play bottled up ready to pop!
Better be on the roster Cable, don’t let him get away.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:16 am
O, what up brother….Everything good with you?
August 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Does NMILLER remind you the slot guy that plays for the chetriots? cant remember his name walker, walter, welker or something or another….
August 28th, 2009 at 11:19 am
O,
Everything ok brother????
hey I know Dude is back but dnt off ur self man…..
August 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am
David White twitters: DHB and Murphy get the start again tomorrow. Walker will have to wait till he has the route tree and timing down before he gets started being the COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Welker!
I hope you are signed up for our fantasy league if you dont know his name Thec LOL.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am
He only lead the entire league in receptions last year…
August 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am
but yes, he reminds me a bit like Welker but can do MORE. Ever see Welker line up as a HB? heheheheh!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:24 am
I hope you are signed up for our fantasy league if you dont know his name Thec LOL.
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Ahhh the ‘ole no sarcasim button got ya AZ!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Whoa, looks like Raider O is hopped up on whippets, bad beef jerky and reruns of the 700 Club.
Speaking of weirdos gone wild, looks like Krappy is hell bent on proving blog discrimination based on his posts getting denied. Man, if that old goat spent more time in bed and less time with his head in the microwave he might actually come close to making a rational point.
And as a reminder, we’re probably only minutes away from Krappy’s cousin Brian the Genital waltzing into the blog for his standard Friday humiliation session.
That silly little dude just cracks me up!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I figured LOL
August 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
63 = 53 + 10 interns.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I gotta jet, u guys keep holding it down…..
RRRRRRAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDDEEEEERRRSSSSSSSSSS…….
August 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
63 = 53 + 10 interns.
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63 = 53 + 9 DB’s and Danny Southwick. Thought you’d be on that bandwagon Bo!
JK
August 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am
I’m ok my brotheres, but I worry about us.
I wasn’t talking about religion, but I was talking about compassion!!!
Compassion!!!! Try to remember it brotheres.
Compassion to your human brothers and sisters.
Thank you for asking, and I hope all is well with all of you.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:43 am
okay… i get it…
Raider O wants someone to buy him a drink…
August 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Raider O Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am
I’m ok my brotheres, but I worry about us.
I wasn’t talking about religion, but I was talking about compassion!!!
Compassion!!!! Try to remember it brotheres.
Compassion to your human brothers and sisters.
Thank you for asking, and I hope all is well with all of you.
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Raider O,
Remember the book I told you about? I’m telling you, you wouldn’t worry after reading it.
“The Devine Matrix”
Author: Gregg Braden
Changed my life (or at least my perspective) NO JOKE!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
M.Mitchell probably won’t be on the final 53 man roster.looks like he is headed for the IR.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Raider O Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I never felt ashamed of being a human, as much as I do now.
We don’t live forever, you can’t take your stuff were you going, so please wake up! Wake up!!!
We are all going to die, and we can’t take our money, castles, Women, children, or anything with us!!!
It’s a short life, so don’t get fooled with it. There are trees that live longer than us.
We need all the help we can get!
Please, please, Wake up!!!!
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I’m not sure I follow. Are you asking Al to get us a DT?
August 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
and a middle linebacker !!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Lefty 12
Why do you believe that scenario? Mitchell is having hammy issues, yes they can take time to heal. Unless the Raiders aren’t disclosing the real injury, like a muscle tear, a strained hammy should heal in weeks.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Beechum that is funny!
One day I am going to be on the 700 club! When that Arab jesus comes back. I will go to Home Depot and get me some 9 inch nails and nail that j3w back to the cross.
Pat Robertson and the rest of teh 700 club will be mad at me and have to put me on thier show, with a hammer in my hand!
August 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Sorry if I offended anyone it was meant to be funny!
I hate that Pat Robertson though…..
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
317.lefty12 Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
M.Mitchell probably won’t be on the final 53 man roster.looks like he is headed for the IR.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
We need him for week 8!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
1. MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:55 am
Just to clear up some Bill Walsh talk for the meatheads…
This is from the article that named Al Davis the most significant sports figure in the Bay Area of the 20th century…
“He was one of the great coaches I have ever observed … a truly great coach,” 49ers president and former Davis employee Bill Walsh says. “Had he chosen to remain in coaching, he would
be considered one of the great coaches of all time.”
In this article, 12-29-00, from the Press Democrat this is what Mike Lombardi said…
“I always wanted to work with Al because of Bill Walsh.”…”When I was with the 49ers,” Lombardi said, “I would drive Bill from place to place, and I’d ask him about football. It’s hard for Bill to share his knowledge. One time he said, ‘The most football I learned was working at the Raiders.’”
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Wrong. What he said is he learned more with the Raider than he did with all of his years IN COLLEGE..See..was his first time in the NFL.
Now, you little twaddles seem so intent on wanting to believe this..but..really sorry about this..but time I torch that little bridge you hold so desperately to.
Book: THE GENIUS-BILL WALSH
Chapter: “Climbing the ladder”
Pge: 41 Bill Walsh described the philosophy he learned about offense was first developed by the legendary Sid Gillman at the Chargers. This philosophy was handed on to Rauch. Sid Gillman was commonly referred to as “the father of the modern passing game” and Walsh found his first exposure to Gillman’s system “an eye opener as to what was possible offensively. What everybody else was doing was primitive compared to Gillman’s concepts..
PAGE 42, SECOND PARAGRAPH:
“Other than the Gillman epiphany, however, Walsh’s Raiders experience was the worst in his ten tears as a coach. “The atmosphere there was not healthy, in terms of how they treated people and how they tried to get loyalty, trust, and respect out of their people. It was very formative in a very negative way. I learned a lot about how not to run a team.”
Sorry ladies, but..what else do you need? THIS IS IN THE BOOK..not from some flake like Lombardi, or cohn, of all people who want to pass on “feel good ” stories.
WALSH QUIT THE RAIDERS AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR..and contemplated getting out of coaching COMPLETELY because his experience was SO BAD.
I’m sorry..you’re confused.
You think I made this up..so..yes…go to the library, check out “The GENIUS” and go to page 41, and 42..then say to yourself ‘Oh damn…I didn’t know that. He’s right.”
Yeah, I know.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Dell,he is a raw rookie who hasn’t been able to practice at all.the hammy has been bothering him since OTAs.would he be able to step in and play with no practice?i doubt it,so i could see us putting him on IR this year.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Brien,
I think you hurt his sole….
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
1. GalacticGus Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
hang in there real raider fans.. the haters and trolls do not understand how the universe, life and even football works in cycles. The greats will come back and reclaim their throne. Al might be a bit of a senile ol’ man focused on winning.. but he is a still an extraordinary senile ol genius of a man still focused on winning who might slip at times, but can still learn from mistakes and get it right. slowly but surely its what we have been doing.
they say the vertical offenses and man to man is outdated and that we have not caught up with the innovations of the nfl in the free agency era.
free agency shot us in the foot in recent years as well as helped reach and win in the playoffs. eventually, these old age views is going to catch up to the rest of the league and smash em in the mouth like an unexpected lightning storm coming fierce like a blitz of the raider speed! these pansies and divas seeking higher contracts are the epitome of what wrong with are league are going to be cold clocked by men with character who are appreciative of what is given to them. that sounds like the heart of a warrior ready to pounce on them bitches.
think of it like alternative medicine thats been around since ancient times.. its old.. but it is actually better than modern innovation.. over thinking and will eventually be whipped by raw fundamentals and natural instincts… as opposed to over thinking!
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Let’s see if I have this right, Gus.
You’re saying Al is as old as the hills? CHECK.
You’re saying Al’s way of doing things is outdated and archaic? CHECK
You’re saying that Al is a genius but a REALLY OLD genius who forgets where he is at times? CHECK.
You’re saying ‘slowly but surely you’ll get it right”?? Define ‘slowly”..
You’re saying that Al’s OLD AGE VIEWS show that the NFL has past him by, a LONG TIME AGO, but..BUT..that you subscribe to the notion that everything that was archaic has a way of coming back? Like bell bottoms? Hotpants? 8 track tape players? 70’s football?
Hotpants…maybe.
And..YOU’RE SAYING THAT instead of brain surgery, we should go back to drilling holes in skulls to “release the demons”??
Dude..YOU’VE BEEN READING TOO MANY COMIC BOOKS..
)
Funny stuff..(keeping my fingers crossed on that hot pants thang, though
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
soul?
August 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Haha, rackoshit’s gonna resort to name calling because he has nothing on Brien, the Nation OR Al Davis.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Be gone Pushmyshit… You’ve been getting punked by brein for like 3 days now. Don’t cry about it. Be a Raider fan.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Greenwood Miller Boyd Meyers Rankin
Are all bubble players I would like to see make the team…..How ever I belive Baker over Boyd is a better Add depth win now move..I like Boyds up side alot the kid flys around and makes plays…(seen him play live in Ore.)
And Of course anyone over Sands would be good at this point…….
August 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
HoweDy Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:42 am
@Richochet
You clearly have a sad existence. I am refering to you, not the 9ers, not anything to do with football, just you. I don’t understand why:
A) You think your opinion impacts any of these Raiders fans, who clearly have there minds made up on this years team, and only results will improve or regress any derived opinion
Richochet: REALLY?? No impact??? None? YOU SURE?
You have ONE POST on this thread..out of hundreds posted here..ONE…to me.
CLEARLY YOU ARE IMPACTED.
Next-
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B) You think you are intelligent clearly, however the remedial way you banter with everyone proves without a doubt you are far from
Richochet: No, YOU clearly think I’m intelligent. See, I’ve NEVER stated as such..however, YOU just did. Means YOU believe I am, and assume I feel the same way. Considering that you’re only post here is TO ME, I suspect you just might be right on this one.
Oh..before I forget..THANKS
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C) You have enough time in your life to argue with up to five raider fans at once. Get a job or something you cretin
Richochet: Ah..so you equate typing replies to 5 different comments directed AT ME is somehow different if..oh..say..a poster posts a dozen or more at just one poster?
What you mean to say is “he must type fast” You would be right. Thinking fast also helps..but..somehow..I know I’ve already lost you, haven’t I?
Regardless..I have a fan..and it’s just as sweet as it could be..right pumpkin?
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D) You don’t understand how may people are reading your online tantrums, and wondering what kind of deranged and pasty problem child you were/still are?
Richochet: The most important thing is that not only you’ve proven that YOU do just that, but you think “I’m smart.”
Gosh..I’m beginning to feel..well…special.
Thanks…you big lug..
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E) When the last time you got layed was. Judging from the angst of your posts maybe the day is yet to come… or maybe you’re disjointed from an excess of rough SF lovin
Richochet: Ahh..and the coup de’ grace’..the ultimate “I can’t think of anything to say” comment. First off..what’s “layed”?? Oh..you mean “laid”.
Weak..juvenile kiddy 5th grade level weak.
HEY?? Is this your first time posting here? Ever? lol..and you sign on just to cry that Richochet is a big meany, and you just wish I would ’stop it..STOP IT RIGHT NOW”??
Hey, when you get out of school, and get your homework done, I want you to put on your big boy pants, and come back here and just give me a “piece of your mind”.
Oh..and thanks again for the compliments.
And no, you can’t have an autograph..
I hate it when posters do that…
August 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jhill: you’ve proven yourself to be a real man
at least you attempted the 53 man roster
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lol..uh..to YOU..picking a 53 man roster makes someone a “real man’??
This is definitely an odd bunch here.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
tazZraider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
also ricochet read post 150. It doesn’t matter if bill walsh was an rb assistant coach that doesn’t mean hes gonna not learn the offense. You are still evading the fact that Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis. “The most football I learned was with the Raiders”, Bill Walsh said that and your saying that just because rauch was the coach he didn’t learn anything form Davis? You really stupid for thinking that and pathetic because you just can’t escape the fact that Al Davis mentored the greatest coach in your team’s history. A fact is a fact man, don’t try to evade with some lame excuses with sid gilman teachin walsh the offense, well guess what? Your wrong and probably ashamed that Al Davis taught Bill Walsh “everything he knew about football”.
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Guess you feel pretty damn stupid after reading post 326, don’t you?
Again, just for you…GENIUS-BILL WALSH..page 41 and 42.
Then walk around for an hour, muttering “duh”.
Let me know when you’re done.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Richochet Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
tazZraider Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
also ricochet read post 150. It doesn’t matter if bill walsh was an rb assistant coach that doesn’t mean hes gonna not learn the offense. You are still evading the fact that Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis. “The most football I learned was with the Raiders”, Bill Walsh said that and your saying that just because rauch was the coach he didn’t learn anything form Davis? You really stupid for thinking that and pathetic because you just can’t escape the fact that Al Davis mentored the greatest coach in your team’s history. A fact is a fact man, don’t try to evade with some lame excuses with sid gilman teachin walsh the offense, well guess what? Your wrong and probably ashamed that Al Davis taught Bill Walsh “everything he knew about football”.
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Guess you feel pretty damn stupid after reading post 326, don’t you?
Again, just for you…GENIUS-BILL WALSH..page 41 and 42.
Then walk around for an hour, muttering “duh”.
Let me know when you’re done.
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Rackoshit,
No I don’t because first off your a dumbass for saying that Bill walsh wanted to leave the raiders because the experience was bad. That’s #1. No. 2 is that your still dumb because you still haven’t answered all of my questions and you came trying to change things up like sayin’ “sid gilman and john rauch taught bill walsh” no you idiotic piece of shit and i don’t know how many times i gots to tell you that sid gilman was davis’ mentor and trained al davis in the vertical offense and davis passed it on to rauch. oh and i read post 326 and your the one who is still feeling stupid just go search up the sid gilman coaching tree and it’ll tell you all you fukin pansy.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
# Richochet Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
1. GalacticGus Says:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
hang in there real raider fans.. the haters and trolls do not understand how the universe, life and even football works in cycles. The greats will come back and reclaim their throne. Al might be a bit of a senile ol’ man focused on winning.. but he is a still an extraordinary senile ol genius of a man still focused on winning who might slip at times, but can still learn from mistakes and get it right. slowly but surely its what we have been doing.
they say the vertical offenses and man to man is outdated and that we have not caught up with the innovations of the nfl in the free agency era.
free agency shot us in the foot in recent years as well as helped reach and win in the playoffs. eventually, these old age views is going to catch up to the rest of the league and smash em in the mouth like an unexpected lightning storm coming fierce like a blitz of the raider speed! these pansies and divas seeking higher contracts are the epitome of what wrong with are league are going to be cold clocked by men with character who are appreciative of what is given to them. that sounds like the heart of a warrior ready to pounce on them bitches.
think of it like alternative medicine thats been around since ancient times.. its old.. but it is actually better than modern innovation.. over thinking and will eventually be whipped by raw fundamentals and natural instincts… as opposed to over thinking!
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Let’s see if I have this right, Gus.
You’re saying Al is as old as the hills? CHECK.
You’re saying Al’s way of doing things is outdated and archaic? CHECK
You’re saying that Al is a genius but a REALLY OLD genius who forgets where he is at times? CHECK.
You’re saying ‘slowly but surely you’ll get it right”?? Define ‘slowly”..
You’re saying that Al’s OLD AGE VIEWS show that the NFL has past him by, a LONG TIME AGO, but..BUT..that you subscribe to the notion that everything that was archaic has a way of coming back? Like bell bottoms? Hotpants? 8 track tape players? 70’s football?
Hotpants…maybe.
And..YOU’RE SAYING THAT instead of brain surgery, we should go back to drilling holes in skulls to “release the demons”??
Dude..YOU’VE BEEN READING TOO MANY COMIC BOOKS..
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Funny stuff..(keeping my fingers crossed on that hot pants thang, though
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Richochet, to compare 70’s fashion trends to football trends is irrelevant.
and about alternative medicine, who is talking about drilling holes in the scull? I am talking acupuncture and rain forest herbs as opposed to chemotherapy or dialysis. Its a medical establishment sham if you ask me.
and I said slowly but surely,.. and slowly can mean 6 years or 8 years…. like a financial investment, its gains are slow, but eventually, it takes off exponentially.
so, Al is a crazy ol man. A mad rocket scientist, well.. is still a rocket scientist.
with the right, components, it can work and the whole of Raider Nation will be laughing like madmen at chumps like you.
you might see the team is nothing but track stars. the fact is, they are still football players and with sound discipline, not even a “mastermind” Bill belicheat scheme can fully account for this speed that can’t be coached.
lastly, in regards to cycles, what comes up must come down only to come up again. Many teams haven’t even made it to the top and may never will.. its not part of their cycle. Kind of like riding on the kiddie roller coaster… there are hills plateaus valleys, but nothing significant.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Coach cable post practice press conference:
” well that is its purpose, is the INSTALLATION and the .. you know, kind of teaching them the game plan and teaching them how we do those things leading into the game”
Installation, the cableman’s trade mark! lol
August 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Now I do not know where to start on this Oakland team. I have been a fan for years, prior to them moving from Los Angeles, and over the years I am constantly defending the Raiders. I also keep telling myself this year we could at least win eight game. I know that seems pretty pessimistic, but we have to start some where. Over the last six years, since they last went to the super bowl, the raiders have won a total of 24 games. 24 games out of 102. Now I did the math, and it came out to be 23%, 23% of games the raiders have won, what kind of striving for excellence is that. Also, most of the players that we have drafted within the last five years have either gotten hurt or traded, and we keep on accuring players that are so far past their prime, not even the CFL will look at them.
Now lets talk about their leadership. What team coaches get in a boxing match. How is that setting the example for your team, now wonder we have won only 24 games with in the six years. How are you going to control the players if a team cannot even control their coaches. These coaches are not going to get the respect from the players, when they cannot even respect themselves. This is why I am looking for a new team. I cannot take another disappointing season, especially with Jeff Garcia. I know that I will always be a raiders fan in my heart, but there comes a time where you have to say enough is enough, and learn to count your losses. Maybe we can go 500 this season and if we do I might just stay along for the ride, but this is it if we don’t make it to 500 this season I am done. Oh yeah don’t worry I will look at teams outside of the AFC West.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:23 am
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