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Training camp highlights, lowlights

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Some training camp highlights and lowlights as the Raiders resume the preseason Friday with a walkthrough in Alameda:

Top offensive player: RB Darren McFadden. Not the clear-cut choice he was last year, but the pre-turf toe explosion around the edge is back. As for his hands, there are Raiders scouts who believe he’d be a terrific wide receiver.

“However coach (Tom) Cable feels like he wants to split the carries or however he wants to split the time is fine because eventually we’re all going to have to get out there and play,” McFadden said Thursday addressing the breakdown of how to use the backfield.

Job 1 for Cable is to make sure McFadden touches the ball 20 times per game. A 15-rush, five-reception minimum is a good place to start. Work Michael Bush and Justin Fargas in around that framework.

Top defensive player: The best defensive player, and it’s not even close, is cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. But Asomugha missed a lot of snaps and is essentially on his own schedule to make sure he’s ready to go in Week 1. So we’ll go instead with strong safety Tyvon Branch, who never missed a single snap.

For a guy who missed half the season following shoulder surgery and was primarily a special teams player, Branch stepped into a starting role and looked as if he’d done it for three years. The Raiders loved him for his physicality last year, but he’s proven to be good in coverage during camp, probably leading the team in interceptions.

Branch admits he wasn’t sure what to think when the Raiders made Mike Mitchell, a classic strong safety, their second round pick, but was pleasantly surprised when he was told going into the season it was his job to lose.

He played cornerback at UConn and was a linebacker in high school, so strong safety has been a good fit.

Most improved: QB JaMarcus Russell. Not improved from the end of last season until now, but from two weeks ago until now.

Russell admitted he was heavy when he arrived in camp, Cable later confirmed he had talked to him about it, and on a few occasions during the offseason the coach dropped hints that the face of the franchise needed to assume a leadership role and be the hardest working and most dedicated guy in the building.

Over the last two weeks, Russell looks as if he’s been doing something right behind the scenes, because quarterbacks don’t just get better overnight even if it appears that way. Russell is far from a finished product, but at least now he looks capable of giving the Raiders their first respectable passing offense in three years.

“Guys in the last week or so have been on the same page, moving faster than we’ve moved (before),” Russell said. “I think that’s what you’re seeing out there.”

Best camp rookie: WR Louis Murphy. Murphy, a fourth-round pick out of Florida, has exhibited very good hands, picked up things quickly and runs with a natural glide as he turns the corner after catching a crossing route. Missed a few days of practice after a hip injury against Dallas, but has had very few subpar days _ rare for a rookie.

Roughest start: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey looked to be carrying the weight of his $23.5 million guarantee on his shoulders, dropping by one count 11 passes in his first three sessions. The very first pass thrown his way _ hardly fair because he came out later after signing and hadn’t warmed up _ clanked off his hands.

After one drop-filled practice, Heyward-Bey and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal were brought over to the golf cart containing Al Davis for a chat.

“He just told me, we know who you are, we know how you play, just do what you do,” Heyward-Bey said.

The silver lining? The first practices set the bar so low Heyward-Bey had nowhere to go but up. And go up he did. He still drops a pass or two every practice and it will likely be a recurring theme.

But he’s also begun to accelerate into the ball of late and look capable of making some big plays.

Best practice scuffle: Murphy vs. Mitchell. On reporting day, Mitchell jokingly called out Murphy because he was talking too much about Florida and giving no respect to Ohio University.

Murphy was blocking Mitchell one day when suddenly fists started flying. Murphy lost his helmet, then swung and hit Mitchell in the helmet with his bare hand. Fortunately he wasn’t injured.

Jon Alston was involved in a skirmish or three, but it was a fairly calm camp in terms of fisticuffs.

Most disappointing injuries: WR Chaz Schilens and SS Mike Mitchell. Schilens was the best receiver in camp and it wasn’t even close. More than that, he was the best player in camp. At any position. He sustained a broken fifth metatarsal while running a pass pattern, had a screw inserted in his foot, and the best-case scenario has him out for the first two games.

Mitchell, hampered by hamstring injuries both before his Pro Day and again at minicamp, has been shut down and Cable seems unsure when he’ll return. He’s got the classic build of a strong safety, a lust for contact and an engaging, positive personality. But Mitchell is also extremely raw and has missed valuable time needed to prove himself as one of the draft’s most controversial picks.

Best undrafted free agents: DT Desmond Bryant and WR Nick Miller. Listen to Cable for five minutes and it’s tough to conclude anything other than the fact that Bryant is on the verge of pushing Terdell Sands right off the roster. Bryant hasn’t been overwhelmed by the NFL and doesn’t pretend to be.

“Surprisingly (the transition) hasn’t been as bad as I thought,” Bryant said. “The speed of the game is a little faster, the biggest thing is technique.I could use that more.”

Miller, listed at 5-foot-9, 180 pounds, looks like one of the ball boys until he gets the ball in his hands. If the Raiders weren’t serious about keeping Miller, they wouldn’t be running so many reverses and schemes that play to his strength.

“I’ve left everything out on the field and I’ve got no regrets,” Miller said. They’re putting in plays that acclimate me to the game and put me in position to make big plays. That’s awesome for me. Any time I have the ball in my hands, I have a chance to make a big play.”

Most surprising development: TE Brandon Myers, who was talked up as a blocker by Cable after the draft, looks to be as sure-handed as starter Zach Miller. Nice catch on a sixth-round pick. Enough to make you forget the guy picked three spots ahead of him, defensive end Stryker Sulak, cut before camp began.

Most artificial competitions: Russell vs. Jeff Garcia at QB; Mario Henderson vs. Khalif Barnes at LT. Never mind the pre-camp chatter. The only way Russell and Henderson weren’t starting was because of injury or personal catastrophe. That Garcia (calf) and Barnes (ankle) got hurt only gave the battles earlier clarity. And both backups could be valuable. Interesting to see if Barnes simply settles in as a backup left tackle or considers learning the right side.

Most surprising competition: Chris Johnson vs. Stanford Routt at CB; Ricky Brown vs. Kirk Morrison at MLB. Johnson signed a four-year deal with a $4 million signing bonus, seemingly cementing his status opposite Asomugha. Instead, Cable said Routt continues to press the issue and it’s not decided. Still think it’ll be Johnson starting with Routt in the slot as the nickel back.

Cable judged Morrison to be in the lead at the time he sustained a dislocated elbow, but the veteran is a little dismayed that after leading the Raiders in tackles for the last three years, he was splitting time with Brown.

Most disheartening practice: During the end of a morning session on Aug. 19, the 49ers defense destroyed the Raiders offense in a red zone drill, intercepting Russell and Bruce Gradkowski four times. It wasn’t much better in drills and team sessions leading up to the finale.

Most embarrassing moment: LB Brown was destroyed by 49ers RB Frank Gore, and much hooting and hollering ensued.

Most effective assistant coach: QB coach Paul Hackett. To say Hackett is a stickler for details is an understatement. Never mind being pushed by Garcia. Russell is learning just about everything there is to know about playing quarterback by one of the best technicians in the business.

Every day, the quarterbacks meet for mini-clinic on some facet of the position, and sometimes you’re close enough to hear it. Hackett drills them on footwork issues, how they walk to and from a huddle, and has them recite plays, making sure they enunciate clearly and speak with authority.

Best cure for insomnia: Cable’s “learning phase. Four days of double sessions where plays weren’t run to their conclusion, with footwork, choreography and knowledge are stressed above all else. Cable and the players seemed to swear by it, but it was “Dancing with the Stars” in uniform. And at half-speed.

Best comeback: FB Oren O’Neal and WR Javon Walker. Personally, I didn’t think either would be much of a factor. O’Neal would be given more time to heal from a debilitating knee injury with the arrival of Lorenzo Neal. As for Walker, I’d pretty much written him off after all of last season’s trevails.

Wrong, and wrong again.

Least likely to complain to the NLRB: Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski. Ah, the life of a kicker. They don’t do much, and give way to Ricky Schmitt whenever they please. Lechler somehow managed end up with a groin injury from all the standing around.

Most predictable dump jobs: No shows to anything voluntary, Derrick Burgess was finally shown the door for a third-round pick and a fifth-round pick (now that the Patriots have acquired a fifth-round pick by trade, it goes to Oakland) and Andrew Walter was cut. He wound with the Patriots as well.

Most miles on the odometer: FB Lorenzo Neal was put on injured reserve (and later received an injury settlement) after a hamstring injury, but the Raiders had already determined he was running on empty. He’s talking retirement.

Most welcome development: It was all quiet on the Mario Henderson front, as Lane Kiffin’s media punching bag enjoyed an extremely quiet camp _ always a good thing for an offensive lineman.

Least vital organ: Robert Gallery lost an appendix and a handful of practice sessions, but little else.

Best clip-and-save quote: “I’m telling you, we are going to pressure teams. I can see it in John’s eyes,” linebacker Thomas Howard, convinced defensive coordinator John Marshall will bring the house with all manner of blitzes.

Most invisible formation: No Wildcat sightings in Napa.

Most potentially overblown story: Cable’s alleged tussle with defensive backs assistant Randy Hanson became a lead story on SportsCenter right up there with Vick and Favre. And if the Napa police don’t find Hanson credible, it all goes away . . . of course, if they find evidence to implicate Cable, it becomes the . . .

Most potentially damaging story: The only way Cable vs. Hanson is an issue is if the head coach is prosecuted by law enforcement and/or suspended by the league. Otherwise, the situation is light years from the Kiffin-Al Davis standoff that sent last season into the toilet.

Best spontaneous comedy: “Cable, bomaye, Cable, bomaye.”

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  • OAKlifer

    Silver-n-Black666 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am
    I think that league is full Oakifer

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    we can have 14 teams if wanted…. we only have 12

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Rodter?

    Southwick x 52, plus Gallery. Danny can’t do it all. LOL.

    You get the picture.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Roster, sorry.

  • tazZraider

    Richochet Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    tazZraider Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    rackoshit,

    “I often spoke to Bill Walsh when he was dying — on the phone when Walsh was in Stanford Hospital. We made small talk and when I sensed Walsh was tired from the effort I’d say I had to go, but Walsh always said, “Let’s talk about the Raiders.” He said this with a giggle. The Raiders were comic relief to a dying man.

    “The Raiders have been comic relief because they have been a joke. Walsh used to laugh at how fat former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was. He told me no man looking like that could coach on a Walsh team. He always spoke respectfully of Al, admired Al’s brains and guts. They had been friends a long time, and Walsh said Al taught him everything he knew about football. I think Paul Brown taught Walsh something, too.”

    see rack-o-shit? your ol dumb ass got proven wrong and sid gillman created the vertical offense and he was Al Davis mentor and when BILL WALSH came on the raiders as an assistant in ‘66, he was trained to learn the vertical offenseand then installed his own West Coast offense as i repeat again, but he got his ideas from the vertical offense. Thank you rackoshit and i know you gonna come up with somethin irrevelant and so is your little dick ridin follower rmr.
    =============
    PAY ATTENTION.
    Bill Walsh’s first and ONLY year in the NFL, with the Raiders, was as a asst rb coach. YOu don’t learn ANY VERTICLE GAME WHEN YOU ARE A RB COACH. How can you? No, not saying you don’t pick up things during the year, but you are leaving and breathing everything about the rb’s, NOT the qb.
    He wasn’t devising plays. he wasn’t reading defenses. He wasn’t responsible for analyzing game plans..he worked with the RB’s AS AN ASST.
    ————————————————-

    Yeah, how would assistant coaches who help with the game planning and work with their units implementing that game plan, especially on both the run and passing games, how would those coaches pick anything up about football?? I mean, they are only surrounded by football guys 20 hours a day. What would they learn.

    Kookie, you are once again toast. As usual. Get used to it. Everyone else has.

    ———————————
    PAY ATTENTION RICHOCHET.just because he was an RB assistant doesn’t mean he doesn’t learn the other offense you idiot.Just like oakglenn said these guys spend a lot of time with each other in meeting rooms and of course hes gonna know the offense. O and Sid Gilman? Gilman was DAVIS’ Mentor and he carried what he learned and favored from Gilman thus handing it to Bill Walsh which put walsh under the gilman coaching tree under davis.and it doesn’t matter that john rauch was coach of the raiders, they did what al favored and that was the vertical offense. You are really stupid, Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis.

    “As a Raider assistant, Walsh was trained in the vertical passing offense favored by Al Davis, putting Walsh in Davis’ mentor Sid Gillman’s coaching tree. Walsh would later modify his own offensive philosophy to favor a predominantly horizontal passing approach.”

    also ricochet read post 150. It doesn’t matter if bill walsh was an rb assistant coach that doesn’t mean hes gonna not learn the offense. You are still evading the fact that Walsh said HIMSELF that he learned everything about football from Davis. “The most football I learned was with the Raiders”, Bill Walsh said that and your saying that just because rauch was the coach he didn’t learn anything form Davis? You really stupid for thinking that and pathetic because you just can’t escape the fact that Al Davis mentored the greatest coach in your team’s history. A fact is a fact man, don’t try to evade with some lame excuses with sid gilman teachin walsh the offense, well guess what? Your wrong and probably ashamed that Al Davis taught Bill Walsh “everything he knew about football”.

  • OAKlifer

    Interesting 53 OAKlifer, same as Scottish except PLUS Reece & Greenwood. MINUS Myers and G. Russell

    hmmm..

    Basicly the same like I said Miller should make the team…Dont forget my Boyd/Baker prediction with The M Word being hurt…..and Alston & Ekejuiba could be on the way out if Greenwood looks good and Brown can be a real starter…But agian baring anytype of Trade or huge release this is every ones 53…..

  • OAKlifer

    RECALL

    RECALL

    RECALL

    53 men with out Southwick is like 2 women nice….but to many descions to make…..My bad

  • OAKlifer

    19. M.Johnson (OG)

    Forgot abouty Morris kinda he is way more versitile than M.J.

    an I see 3 TE and one true FB on our roster which is scary…with OO injury maybe we can shuffle around tho and keep Lawton and Myers…

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com Silver-n-Black666

    I like Dakota’s roster

    Sure we could have 14 teams I didn’t think of that seems like a lot though.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Hmmm, that is tough…best I could do RR:

    Chris Morris
    Samson Satele
    Chris Johnson
    Nnamdi Asomugha
    Stanford Routt
    Justin Miller
    Tyvon Branch
    Greg Ellis
    Jay Richardson
    Matt Shaughnessy
    Trevor Scott
    Desmond Bryant
    Gerard Warren
    Ryan Boschetti
    Tommy Kelly
    Luke Lawton
    Oren O’Neal
    Hiram Eugene
    Cooper Carlisle
    Paul McQuistan
    Robert Gallery
    Sebastian Janikowski
    Isaiah Ekejiuba
    Jon Alston
    Kirk Morrison
    Morlon Greenwood
    Ricky Brown
    Slade Norris
    Thomas Howard
    Jon Condo
    Shane Lechler
    Charlie Frye
    JaMarcus Russell
    Jeff Garcia
    Darren McFadden
    Justin Fargas
    Michael Bush
    Michael Huff
    Mike Mitchell
    Rashad Baker
    Cornell Green
    Erik Pears
    Khalif Barnes
    Marcus Johnson
    Mario Henderson
    Brandon Myers
    Zach Miller
    Chaz Schilens
    Darrius Heyward-Bey
    Javon Walker
    Johnnie Lee Higgins
    Louis Murphy
    Nick Miller

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    LOL @ OAKlifer. If only Randy Hanson had yelled “RECALL”.

  • OAKlifer

    yes 14 teams makes it very difficult to draft all great players you have to work on late round drafting stratagy and game plan better every week…it makes it a little more like a chess match between Gm’s as opposed to “Well I had AP and he scored 3 times oh yhea well i haad Moss and he is leading all WR in TD’s”

    It will be more like Dang do I start Jericho Cotchery or Doney Avery…..Sure we will all have our one or two studs but then we will have to scour the draft board to bring in late round talent to bring home the ship….Almost like real life…..but not

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Think Denver would take J. Walker for B. Marshall?

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com Silver-n-Black666

    they would if we threw in Ashly Lelie

  • OAKlifer

    ummmm between Marshall and Cable we would have enough domestic violence…..wait he wasnt dating Hanson was he??????

  • Burque Raider

    From “Inside Bay Area”:

    The Raiders went the entire camp without practicing the Wildcat formation, where running back Darren McFadden lines up as quarterback in the shotgun and every-down quarterback JaMarcus Russell lines up at receiver.

    The Wildcat formation was used occasionally in Oakland’s offense last season. Cable said any work on that will be done in Alameda, behind closed doors and out of the spotlight.

    McFadden said he isn’t sure if Cable intends to reinstall the formation first implemented by former coach Lane Kiffin last year.

    “Right now it’s something Coach hasn’t wanted to do in the offense,” McFadden said. “We wanted to get the base of the offense down. I don’t even know if we’re going to use it.”

    Here’s a cool youtube link of D-Mac’s Arkansas Coach showing D-Mac running the wildcat:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR76aoKghM8

  • Burque Raider

    I like the wildcat except for the fact that your putting your franchise QB out on an island and he is no longer a QB but is now a WR and can be slammed by a DB. It would make more sense to put a real WR or a TE, or even a FB out there. I think Z. Miller would be awesome at this??

  • RaiderRockstar

    Southwick x 52, plus Gallery. Danny can’t do it all. LOL.

    You get the picture.

    ***

    how about this?

    1. Danny Southwick
    2. Robert Gallery
    3. Oren O’Neal
    4. Darren McFadden
    5. Michael Bush
    6. Zach Miller
    7. Darrius Heyward-Bey
    8. Chaz Schilens
    9. Kirk Morrison
    10. Thomas Howard
    11. Nnamdi Asomugha

    bring back ironman football!

    these guys can play offense & defense!

  • OAKlifer

    how about this?

    1. Danny Southwick
    2. Robert Gallery
    3. Oren O’Neal
    4. Darren McFadden
    5. Michael Bush
    6. Zach Miller
    7. Darrius Heyward-Bey
    8. Chaz Schilens
    9. Kirk Morrison
    10. Thomas Howard
    11. Nnamdi Asomugha

    bring back ironman football!

    these guys can play offense & defense!

    ********************************************

    Russell has to make that roster he would be a Franchise QB and DT first ever!!!!!!!!

  • http://Raiders.com RaiderTW

    I think Z. Miller would be awesome at this??
    ———-
    Or Brandon Myers or nick miller!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    back to work fellas. lots to do. have a great weekend!

  • Raider Dell

    Raider Dell Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
    52.RaiderRockstar Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
    Dell: here ya go bro. no changes from here on out. it’s official

    QB: Russell, Garcia, Frye
    RB: McFadden, Bush, Fargas
    FB: O’Neal, Lawton
    WR: Heyward-Bey, Schilens, Murphy, Higgins, Walker
    TE: Miller, Myers, Stewart
    OL: Henderson, Barnes, Gallery, McQuistan, Satele, Wade, Morris, Carlisle, Green, Pears
    DL: Ellis, Scott, Shaughnessy, Richardson, Warren, Kelly, Boschetti, Joseph
    LB: Brown, Morrison, Howard, Alston, Ekejiuba, Norris, Williams
    CB: Asomugha, Johnson, Routt, Miller
    S: Eugene, Huff, Branch, Mitchell, Baker
    K/P: Janikowski, Lechler
    LS: Condo
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    RRS

    Here our my thoughts on the final 53.I will follow your, list with my changes.

    QB Gradkowski- instead of Frye.

    FB Russell-also can play HB and special teams.- instead of Lawton.

    WR-Add Miller-back up punt return and KO return for JLH.

    OL-Wade is left off add Johnson.-Morris can play back up center and long and short snap backup.Johnson can play guard and in a pinch RT.

    DL Add Bryant

    LB-Norris will be placed on IR.

    Practice squad will be interesting. Rankin, Reese, Boyd,Compas, Nixon, ? ?

  • OAKlifer

    I think Z. Miller would be awesome at this??
    ———-
    Or Brandon Myers or nick miller!!!

    _______

    Or Pete! When he is not in the ER i mean IR he is a warm up warrior!!!!!!!

    ROCKSTAR!!!!!!!!!!1

    PASSWORD is ONENATION Draft is this sunday!!!!!!! if you get in we need to fill one spot still!!!!!!

  • AZ Raider

    I hope the Chargers think they are going to play the same team they have been playing the last 6 years… S

  • NoMoreFargas

    I wouldn’t worry about jruss in wildcat he would kill a db or safety just like last year vs SD what do most db run 190-205 that is a big boy . So marshall gets to skip practice and will still play opening game wow way to show him whose boss, cable and dhb are looking pretty good next to mcdaniels and marshall.

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • OAKlifer

    hellsbells Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
    anyone heard of this M. Stroud trade rumor. First heard it this morning.

    ********

    Bills ahave sucked for years and they just signed TO they are becoming at least relevant I dnt see them losing thier Focal point on the DL they want the playoffs bad..If they bring in TO and let Stroud go and the D is the reason they lose games Jaron will be gone along with anyone else who signs off on that deal…..Not happening….imho

  • OAKlifer

    So marshall gets to skip practice and will still play opening game wow way to show him whose boss, cable and dhb are looking pretty good next to mcdaniels and marshall.

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *************
    What up nomo,

    Marshall is suspened for maxium 4 games I thought……

  • AZ Raider

    Dell,

    You don’t think we need to find a spot for Rankin? I know, 4 RB’s is a bit much, but damn, fargas is gonna be the #3 by seasons end so I think he’ll finish his career elsewhere. Rankin is that “scat back” we DON”T have. I’d bet he’d be more productive in the long run than Fargas. If I’m Cable, even though I gots much love for Fargas, I gice the snaps to Rankin. If we put him on the P.S. he’s gonna get picked up.

  • CJ Legend 34

    It sure is nice to see the donkeys have there troubles for once.

    Sooooo…AAAhhhhhhh….ESPN…When does the Broncos get the dysfunctional tag, uhhhhhh….huhh.any day now!

  • Thec07

    AZ Raider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
    I hope the Chargers think they are going to play the same team they have been playing the last 6 years… S

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    NATION, What is UP???????

    Chargers have been “game planing” from day one to face the RAIDERS, this from the mouth of norv turner.

    Most of the bandwagoes here think it’s automatic win for the dischargers.while a select few beleive we will be improved.

    This game will be a good barometer on where this young Raider team is at this point. A snapshot if you will, As i hope we will be improving from game to game. Not the season or season ending depending on the outcome as some on this blog would have you to beleive.

    I am of the opinion that this game is winnable…..
    Assuming that everything else is on point the Keys to
    the game JRUSS, and Run D…

  • CJ Legend 34

    When will these WRs learn that they are becoming a dime a dozen now in the NFL. You use to be a freak to be over 6’2 running a 4.3-4.4 40 time. Now you see them all the time from the top of the draft to the walk ons. Someone else will come in and take Marshall’s spot.

    What an idiot!!!!

    This guys new wife or wife to be must be insane to even consider marrying this Bipolar idiot from the land of misfit players.

    Fire his @$$ Donkeys!!!!

  • Thec07

    AZ Raider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
    Dell,

    You don’t think we need to find a spot for Rankin? I know, 4 RB’s is a bit much, but damn, fargas is gonna be the #3 by seasons end so I think he’ll finish his career elsewhere. Rankin is that “scat back” we DON”T have. I’d bet he’d be more productive in the long run than Fargas. If I’m Cable, even though I gots much love for Fargas, I gice the snaps to Rankin. If we put him on the P.S. he’s gonna get picked up.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    funny you mention this i read on a discharger blog where they were advocating picking up rankin…..
    They were advocating picking up rankin when they have LT……

    LT is clearly not the same RB he once was but if our run D doesnt improve by sept 14 he may not have to be.

  • AZ Raider

    Thec,

    I think it is totally “winable”. Problem is getting our locker room to “KNOW” they can go out and win that game. I’m making a special batch of kool-aid just for that game…

    RAIDERS 34 CHARGERS 17

    DRINK IT! IT TASTES GOOD!

    BLITZ NNAMDI!

    CHARGERS REIN AS AFC WEST CHAMPS STOPS SEPT 14TH 2009!

    9-7!

    PLAYOFFBOUND!

    ;)

  • Thec07

    Would anyone on this board take a flyer on Brandon Marshall?????

  • Thec07

    Az, Thanks for the 20 oz glass….

    Cant get this flavor from 7-11….

  • OAKlifer

    Could Kelly move back to DE in the right circumstance???? like if we landed a Stroud type of presence…..?????

  • Thec07

    Oaklifer, Kelly could, but would have to drop some pounds…

  • Raider Dell

    AZ Raider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
    Dell,

    You don’t think we need to find a spot for Rankin? I know, 4 RB’s is a bit much, but damn, fargas is gonna be the #3 by seasons end so I think he’ll finish his career elsewhere. Rankin is that “scat back” we DON”T have. I’d bet he’d be more productive in the long run than Fargas. If I’m Cable, even though I gots much love for Fargas, I gice the snaps to Rankin. If we put him on the P.S. he’s gonna get picked up.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    AZ

    Great comment, unfortunately Rankin is caught up in a numbers game. Fargas is the favorite of the staff, meaning head coach. The Raiders took a chance last year and Rankin cleared waivers and was resigned to the practice squad.

  • JB

    New guys that need to make the squad based on play & potential:
    • Meyers
    • Murphy
    • Miller
    • Rankin
    • Shaughnessy
    • Bryant
    • Boschetti
    • Norris
    • Nixon
    • Frye

    That’s a lot of new faces making a difference. I believe our Offense will be unexpectedly potent this year. If we can get the front 7 on defense to step up we just may have a winning season. Wouldn’t that be nice. AFC West title is certainly attainable given the strength of this year’s team and the current state of affairs for the other AFC West teams.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dell’s lineup at post 271 looks like the one I’m rolling with, with the exception of Southwick for Garcia (I gotta represent).

    Also, my fingers are crossed that Joe Cohen stuns the coaches. I know, fat chance. In that case Boschetti would be history.

  • Thec07

    Doubt that Rankin, or NMILLER stay on the P.S. long…

    I would trade fargas for a 4th rounder in 2020…

  • OAKlifer

    Thec07 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
    Would anyone on this board take a flyer on Brandon Marshall?????

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    CJ Legend 34 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
    When will these WRs learn that they are becoming a dime a dozen now in the NFL. You use to be a freak to be over 6′2 running a 4.3-4.4 40 time. Now you see them all the time from the top of the draft to the walk ons. Someone else will come in and take Marshall’s spot.

    **********

    Ding ding ding yup!!!!

    I would rather roll with Miller or Bayes….Oakland is no place for a player who is that unstable he would have the proverbial chair kick out from under him so fast here…..

  • OAKlifer

    You use to be a freak to be over 6′2 running a 4.3-4.4 40 time. Now you see them all the time from the top of the draft to the walk ons.
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    SHEEEEET CJ!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    hope Uncle Al isnt reading this……..we told him the fast guys where in rounds 1,2,3 only…

  • JB

    I’m for trading Fargas and keeping Rankin. We should be able to get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. He’s going to either be injured or the #3 back so why not get something for him while he’s still healthy? Rankin has much more of an upside. We’d be foolish to let him go.

  • AZ Raider

    Thec07 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
    Doubt that Rankin, or NMILLER stay on the P.S. long…

    I would trade fargas for a 4th rounder in 2020…
    ………………………………………………

    I’d be genuinely pissed off if Nick Miller doesn’t get the 6th WR spot. He can do to many things. Gotta find a way to keep him. Especially if JLH is gonna play more of a WR role.

  • AZ Raider

    OAKlifer Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Ding ding ding yup!!!!

    I would rather roll with Miller or Bayes….Oakland is no place for a player who is that unstable he would have the proverbial chair kick out from under him so fast here…..
    ……………………………………………..

    “Proverbial chair kicked out from under him!”

    LMFAO

  • Thec07

    AZ Raider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
    Thec07 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
    Doubt that Rankin, or NMILLER stay on the P.S. long…

    I would trade fargas for a 4th rounder in 2020…
    ………………………………………………

    I’d be genuinely pissed off if Nick Miller doesn’t get the 6th WR spot. He can do to many things. Gotta find a way to keep him. Especially if JLH is gonna play more of a WR role.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I totally agree, JLH is a slot guy IMHO…

    I think NMILLER would push JLH to suiside watch up the competition and make his game better.
    NMILLER kid is special, need to find a way to keep him.

    NFL should go to a 63 man roster…

  • http://atm Raider O

    I never felt ashamed of being a human, as much as I do now.
    We don’t live forever, you can’t take your stuff were you going, so please wake up! Wake up!!!

    We are all going to die, and we can’t take our money, castles, Women, children, or anything with us!!!

    It’s a short life, so don’t get fooled with it. There are trees that live longer than us.

    We need all the help we can get!
    Please, please, Wake up!!!!

  • AZ Raider

    Thec07 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    I totally agree, JLH is a slot guy IMHO…

    I think NMILLER would push JLH to suiside watch up the competition and make his game better.
    NMILLER kid is special, need to find a way to keep him.

    NFL should go to a 63 man roster…
    ………………………………………………

    63 man roster? They would have to put a cap on how many DB’s you can have with a roster that size and call it the “Raider Rule”.

  • Thec07

    AZ Raider Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
    Thec07 Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    I totally agree, JLH is a slot guy IMHO…

    I think NMILLER would push JLH to suiside watch up the competition and make his game better.
    NMILLER kid is special, need to find a way to keep him.

    NFL should go to a 63 man roster…
    ………………………………………………

    63 man roster? They would have to put a cap on how many DB’s you can have with a roster that size and call it the “Raider Rule”.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    lol

  • AZ Raider

    I can just see Nick Miller as turning into a bad ass slot reciever, putting him in the back field… He just looks like he has that “it” factor when he’s on the field. Like a big play bottled up ready to pop!

    Better be on the roster Cable, don’t let him get away.