Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, August 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News and notes from the Raiders’ 45-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints Saturday at the Coliseum:
– Tom Cable said the Raiders didn’t have any zip, Jon Alston said there was a lack of enthusiasm and the stats said the Raiders barely showed up at all.
New Orleans had 31 first downs (14 rushing, 14 passing, three by penalty), the Raiders had 9.
New Orleans had 536 yards of total offense (304 passing, 232 rushign) and the Raiders had 289 (237 passing, 52 rushing).
New Orleans was 8-for-16 on third down conversions, the Raiders were 1-for-10.
New Orleans was 4-for-4 on fourth down conversions, the Raiders were 1-for-3.
New Orleans ran 83 plays and had the ball for 39:27, the Raiders had it for 47 snaps and 20:33.
– The official attendance (tickets sold) was 32,585. The amount of people who actually showed up was considerably less, and many were booing after the Saints scored on the second of their three effortless drives to open the game.
– Repeat to yourself, “It was only a preseason game.” Otherwise, the game had the distinct aroma of some of the Raiders worst home field performances of recent years. At least that’s what it says in my Web exclusive column.
– Game circumstance would have made it difficult for the Raiders to run, but Cable indicated the plan was to pass anyway. He is determined to upgrade the passing attack, and it appears to have worked to some extent.
The quesiton whether they can suddenly revert to being an upper eschelon running team after working so hard on passing during pracitce and preseason games. Cable said the Raiders are doing enough in their running periods in practice to stay sharp for Week 1 of the regular season.
“I stated numerous times we really need to get this passing game to a level that will give us some balance where we can score points,” Cable said. “We just continue to want to work at that. I believe it’s the right thing to do.”
– Wide receiver Louis Murphy was targeted seven times and caught three passes for 84 yards, but had two drops and a fumble _ the fumble coming after a 38-yard gain from Russell into New Orleans territory.
“Aw, man, it was my worst game ever,” Murphy said. “Two drops, a big-time fumble, costly when we tried to come back and give a spark to the offense. I take that responsibility. The NFL is faster and the DBs are right on you so you have to work on tucking the ball away.”
– Darrius Heyward-Bey, the first-round pick and also a rookie starter, caught a 12-yard slant on the first play from scrimmage and was blanked afteward even though he played into the third quarter.
– Wide receiver Javon Walker estimates he got in about “six or seven” snaps. He was never the target of a pass as the Raiders are easing him back in slowly. When asked if he was disappointed he didn’t play more, Walker said, “A little bit, you know just to get into the grove. Obviously it’s kind of hard to keep yourself motivated, keep yourself warm, but I’ll take what I can get and let them make a decision from there.”
– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland scored the Raiders’ only touchdown on a 43-yard catch and run from Jeff Garcia and plans on putting it behind him to concentrate on his roster battle with Nick Miller and Todd Watkins.
“As a football player you never become complacent,” Holland said. “You don’t want to be like that. I feel like next week, starting Monday, I still gotta go out there and prove myself. So I don’t want to settle for what happened today, or for what happened at practice. I want to keep getting better.”
– Safety Hiram Eugene didn’t start after missing a few days of practice and was a late arrival Devery Henderson’s 40-yard touchdown reception from Drew Brees.
– Other than holding on to the ball too long and coughing up the ball on a sack-fumble, Russell continued to show growth as a young quarterback.
“I didn’t really see too much of what you would you say poor decision making,” Cable said. “I thought he was pretty much right on.”
Russell’s fumble came on a play which Cable thought he should have checked down to a back rather than wait for Zach Miller to come free in the end zone. It was reminisicent of last season, where fumbles (Russell lost seven of them) were a bigger issue than interceptions.
– Terdell Sands never got into a game in which the Saints had 83 snaps. Cable said he’s been bypassed on the depth chart. Could be they simply don’t want Sands to be hurt because he they’re planning on cutting him during the opening cut down to 75 on Tuesday.
– Desmond Bryant, the undrafted rookie out of Harvard, had the Raiders’ lone sack and seems assured a spot on the 53-man roster.
– “Like I just told them, don’t let that game define us, but certainlygoing into it you want to put an effort out there that kind of sets you up for the rest of the road here. Disappointing. Very disappointing, is the only way to put it. We’ll go back to work and see if we can freshen up and get this team where it should be,” Cable, when asked what he told the team after the game.
– There wasn’t a lot of explanation from defenders as to what happened. Most said they were embarrassed, need to pay attention to detail and have to play better. It was hard to conclude anything other than 2009 could be more of the same with regard to the Raiders defense.
Getting cut up by Brees is one thing. That’s going to happen to a lot of teams. But the Saints’ ability to run the ball with ease suggests they’re not close to curing what ails them in that area.
– After going from 14 penalties in the preseason opener to seven against San Francisco, the Raiders were back up to 10 against the Saints for 89 yards.
– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha sustained a chip fracture of his left wrist that Cable said is not an issue in terms of missing game time. Others who didn’t finish included CB-KR Justin Miller (turf toe), S Michael Huff (strained quad) and S Rashad Baker (stinger).
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August 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Tom Cable said the Raiders didn’t have any zip, Jon Alston said there was a lack of enthusiasm and the stats said the Raiders barely showed up at all.
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This is TOM CABLE’S FAULT
August 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Actualy it is not Cables fault. The Saints came out and played very physically on both sides of the ball. We didn’t. Until we start playing a much more physical game (like I have been saying for years), this is what is going to happen. And BTW, San Diego is going to play a very physical game in the Coliseum on Monday nite.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
We Need DTs, and we heed to play Bryant at Base end.
We also need a MLB!
August 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I called it….
Cable said he thought the Raiders were in the proper positions — linebacker Ricky Brown said “Our communication was great” — but simply didn’t make the plays.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Russell – “It was very embarrassing today. It was disrespectful to our fans, ourselves and our family to go out and perform that way.’
August 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
IMHO:
- we need a DT who is a run stuffer.
- play Bryant at LE, and Ellis at RE.
- need a MLB, and move Kirk to SAM.
- move Branch to FS, and start M Mitchell as soon as he’s healthy.
- we need a RT!!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
The defense needs so much – but above all they need a spark – they need attitude.
The D caused the whole game to cascade into embarrassment.
The O had their problems – going cold turkey standing on the sidelines was one of them – but you discard all the drops they would’ve showed up well.
This D just scares me leading up to this SD game.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Someone needs to step up in that lockeroom and call some people out. There manhood should be questioned after that bullshit.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Besides that FUM, I thought JR played very well. He didn’t get any help from the Oline, of the WRs.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
The Dline should have been called out by Cable!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
WTF was this “Pad Level” sh!t Cable was talkin about this week??????
August 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
The one good thing about all of this – the Raiders, under Art Shell’s second tenure, went 4-1 in the preseason yet finished 2-14. Maybe things will turn around when it really counts.
I am posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
August 29th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I’m also sick of this crap!
If you want a MLB, then Draft One, but don’t try to convert a TE into a MLB!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Someone metioned ran the ball only 6 times 1st half wont happen in real game Passing was being worked on i belief looked ok considering the circumstances Miller looked in form Murphy showed some good hustle
August 29th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I know this is preseason, but stopping the run has been a problem for 6 years, and it doesn’t look any better so far!!!
God help us!!!! We need a Defense!
August 29th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I am Liking Morrison More after this one I would say Cable also
August 29th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
What Happen to the Marshall Plan
August 29th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
wtf!!! wow this is BS
August 29th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I gotta lay low this week because of this sh!t. I live down the street from Saints Headquarters.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I’ve been trying not to freak out, but that’s it!!! This Run Defense is sorry, and we will be lucky to win 6 games with it!!!!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Bryant looks like he would be a good defensive end. They should start him out there with Ellis at the other end. Garcia is our best quarterback, and Bush is our best running back.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Really wasn’t the run defense that was getting them torched and embarrassed. It was the lack of pass rush. The problems with the run really came much later after they were on the field for gawd knows how long.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
You have to be kidding me with that Garcia reference Kirk. Our best QB? What the hell did Russell do today to make you think that?
August 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Gracia is not our best QB!!!
JR is our QB, and he earned it.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Russell holds on to the ball too long and fumbles. He did it all last year. He takes too long to make a decision.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I’m sick of all this hate towards JR!!
August 29th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Thank God Sands is leaving. Now if they can just get rid of Tommy Kelly.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
We got no pass rush. I really hope that Marshall is saving the Blitz until the reg season like they saving the Wildcat Formation.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Kirk, I could spend more time commenting on that but I’ll be wasting my time. You should know better.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
504, I doubt if we blitz much. Davis hates the blitz. It is one of the big reasons we suck.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Terrapin, I hope JR succeeds, but he is not there yet.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
JR has playng well since the end of last season, so let’s end this crap!
August 29th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Get rid of the ball quicker? Cmon! How about Cornell Green picking up his man instead of whiffing?
3rd play of a promising drive ends up as a turnover b/c of Green.
Next series, Satele gets blown up by the DT who stops a deveoping run play by Bush. 2 yd gain instead of big play. Next play, Carlisle and Satele both miss a CORNER on the screen play to Bush. 3rd and 7 incomplete pass but there was a flag on Green for lining up offsides.
6 plays for the offense and the next time they see the field, they will be down 21 points, LOL!
And for good measure, McFadden opens the next series with a big run that negated by ANOTHER penalty.
7 plays run – 1 sack given up, 2 penalties, 2 missed blocks. I thought Cable spent time with these guys this week?
August 29th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Our defense needs Boudreaux’s Butt Paste after what we took today.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Finally home and getting faded……….now that I’m starting to relax, could anyone tell me something positive about that game? Or was it as bad as it seemed live?
August 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
trying to sign up for OAKlifer’s fantasy football league….
JerryMac’sKidz2 (ID # 574390)
Passord: ONENATION
comes up as invalid.
can somebody please clarify?
August 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
The first team run defense was actually pretty decent, LOL!
Brees picked on the LBs just like he did last year. Brown was getting abused in the middle of that zone. Didn’t get close to Brees when he blitzed. Alston was NOWHERE to be found.
I never thought I’d be saying this, but get well soon Kirk. Brown needs to go back to SLB, and come out on passing downs.
Anyone still saying Hiram Eugene is a decent player needs to be banned. Huff was flying around out there while Eugene was getting beat by big margins. He wad even getting ran over in the run game. Just awful.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I forgot to mention the schooling Branch took today as well.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I hear you Kirk, but we losing these so called One on one battles. And I don’t recall Rick Ross making a play from DT this whole preseason. He needs to restructure that contract again.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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August 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Good things about today?
Nnamdi and Huff played well and so did the rookie Bryant. DHB continues to draw double coverage which opens things up for our other WRs. McFadden has to be dealt with.
(Forgot to mention Green whiffing and Satele getting blown up on the McFadden fumble. It was quite comical!)
It’s not going to matter until we get Brown back at SLB and a real MLB. Morrison is out best option at MLB right now. Sad to say I’ll take his tackles 5 yds downfield as oppossed to what we’ve been getting.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Alston is crap. The pass rush is crap. Looks like the TScott hulk experiment really isn’t working out too well. So why are they sticking with it? Still, the DTs didn’t do much either insofar as collapsing the pocket.
The good news? They are moving on from Sands and Russell is looking better and better each week.
The bad news? The offense can’t carry this defense so they’ll have to show up to win some games.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Jamarcus played well. The fumble on the lst series was certainly not his fault, and there were tons of dropped, catchable passes.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Not quite sure how a player coming in unblocked and getting to the QB while he is in a throwing motion translates to holding the ball too long. It was a play on his blind side for crying out loud. Just b/c you can see the guy coming on your TV doesn’t mean JR has eyes in the back of his head.
How about Cornell Green making a frickin block on a CORNER!
August 29th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
There has to be a MLB out there with high miles who will get cut soon but can help us. C’mon AL f%#k his 40 time, bring him in. We should grab the first MLB Pitt or B’more cuts.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
This was supposed to be the most important exhibition game. I don’t know how you can put any positive spin on what happened today. The offense is a work in progress, and the defense plays with no heart. It’s not a matter of technique, talent, or anything else. This pads thing is a joke. If both the offensive and defensive line are too high up, how do they correct that in practice? Anyway, that’s not it. I don’t see how they can get things turned around. I really get the strong sense of doom here. I get into the games even when they’re exhibitions, and let me tell you, beer doesn’t do the trick anymore.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Roger Goodell should throw Al Davis a bone and allow Cornell Green to use his mop handle to pass block. He can poke DE’s and blitzers in the stomach.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
alright fellas. I guess i’m out of the fantasy football thing
it’s not workin’ out for me. id # or password i was given ain’t working …
maybe next year
August 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Guy’s they had Rickey Brown in a washing machine any MLB is going to struggle with that offense. I still need to watch the game and I will but what I’ve seen so far. Rickey Brown was no worse than most any MLB against that passing game.
That offense they run is as good an offense as there is in the league. That’s why I wanted to see how we would handle it in Marshall’s defense and we really played the same scheme as last year. They keep you in a quandry between short and deep zones trying to figure Brees out. Brees is as good a ballhandler as there is and a young defenders head will be in a spin cycle.
I know it looked ugly but that offense is the best there is. If the Saints play any defense they will challenge for the SB. What you saw out there today is where we want to be 2 years from now. You wont see another offense like that the rest of the year maybe NE but even they don’t throw it around the park like these guy’s they are prolific.
You can’t even blink, cause they will score. I saw what I didn’t want to see but now I know. Our defense needs a lot of work as a unit.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Oakglenn Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Actualy it is not Cables fault.
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Fair enough, Oakglenn. The point us to the head coach.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I saw Inglorious Bastards today. I can see I didn’t miss anything.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
You all notice that the same players are committing the penalties? I mean really this sht has got to stop. They have to be replaced asap. You can’t get into the red zone just to back yourself out with these idiotic penalties.
I’m starting to get the 1st signs of concern regarding the new Center. I’ve seen him get blown up or hold more times than I care to remember this pre-season. Each one has been real costly.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Here I will say it once and for all. Stop drinking the Koolaid, Cable needs to set the tempo by showing he is not afraid to cut those slackers like Kelly, Sand, and Green. Begin with these three, replace them with undrafted Free agents who can be bring positive mental attitude to this team. Guys remember Dolphins when they went 1-15, next year with pretty much the same players, they became a playoff team, why? they have a good GM Parcell and a mean coach Tony Sparano. I remember reading that one rookie was crying during training camp. Cable has to yell curse the %%%% out of those slackers. Doesn’t matter if he humiliate them infront of all other players. Best humiliation can be this, Warren benched for Dez Bryant and Cohen next game. These players cut Green, Kelly, Alston and Sand and send a warning message to Hiram, Huff, Scott, Carlisle, Satele,Higgins and Routt. Start scouting Defensive players getting cut from Ravens, Giants and Eagles. Offensive players getting cut from New England. There is a need for accountability otherwise these players will never learn any lesson. Who agrees with me?
August 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
How dare Routt wear #26. Rod Woodson is shamed right now. He should change his number to #43. I believe that’s what Elvis Patterson wore.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I swear I seen Kelly being punked by smaller OL who really backups, all that money wasted. It is a sad day to be a Raider, I hope Al quits messing with this team and frees the coaches to play the system they want.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
If we had blitzed today at least we would have had a fighting chance. I don’t understand why Davis hates the blitz. Every good defense blitzes. Look at the Steelers.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
4eve…
Al will never give Cable that much rope. No one gets cut from this team unless Al Davis says so.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Raiders4eve, Parcells also drafted a left tackle in the first round of the draft when he took over. Hello, Al, are you listening?
August 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
LOL at the DTs getting blamed for Brees carving us up. First the runs to the off T are their fault, now lets run Kelly off the team b/c there was no pressure on Brees from the front 4.
Too funny!
August 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
alright fellas. I guess i’m out of the fantasy football thing
it’s not workin’ out for me. id # or password i was given ain’t working …
maybe next year
……
Somebody’s being dramatic…
August 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Kirk, are you serious or just seriously kidding? If you didn’t see a blitz today………stop watching football or get help at least. I barely watched the damn game and saw 3 or 4. Geeez!! SOMEBODY HELP!!!!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Priest, wasnt it just 3 weeks ago you said our def was so dominate that Dallas had to run trick plays to get positive yards ?
Some of us (the smart ones) knew you were full of $hit.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
This was a little expected to me… Looking back at how we played against new orleans last year, and not game planning to see similar things… You’ve got to expect it. I think certain teams match up well against aothers and our style of play on defense plays to their advantage. All the lil short five yard passses and drew brees at qb, they just math up better against us. It wasn’t even close the last time we played the saints but we still came back won games and were atleast competitive against other teams. And on the bright side its pre-season so it doesn’t count and you can take it as a learning experience. I honestly hope they don’t give up after one preseason game before the season even starts.lol I wouldn’t want them to give up and start thinking its over, so im not gonna give up as a fan and start thinking its over. We still have a pre game to go , so just get healthy stop focusing on the damn pass game so hard and focus on stopping the run run run.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Jhill, what the hell is wrong with these people??
August 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Darrick Brown #39 should be the first to get cut that guy doesn’t even attempt to tackle anybody.
I havent watched the 1st half yet. Did Fargas play at all ? Hope not!
I wonder if the 1pm saturday game time didnt have an affect. Not making an excuse they need to show up & play but dam I gave my tix away. Sat games should not exist in pre-season, only in December.
August 29th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Priest, what the hell is wrong with you? Lets start there..
August 29th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Oh fukin spare me guys!!! The DTs never collapse the damn pocket. Tommy Kelly is paid to be the best UT in the league and hardly generates enough pressure to justify the contract. Although I like some of the things he has done in the past the excuses are wearing thing around here. Get the job done or just fukin leave. As the UT he should be destroying people in the when team’s pass. He is our best DT but that aint saying shit!!!
Good nite!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Mista, maybe this went over your head but we played the Saints today. Dallas played SF and got beat barely stopped SF’s offense. So exactly what does that team have to do with this one?? Damn Dumbell!!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
This is pre-season you guys are over reacting as usual.
SD will likely have their with us opening night even if we had crushed NO today.
Dont forget its a new system. We will blitz if the front 4 dont get pressure thats a break from the past. Marshall is NOT going to show SD a damn thing before opening night!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
FYI Mista, I said before the game that I was hoping this wouldn’t happen but it did. They shredded us last year and the chance that it might happen again was there. That offense is very high octane. Hell Dallas’s offense could come close to what we saw today.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Priest Im going back 3 weeks when you said our def is so dominate Dallas had to run trick plays to get yards on us. What happened in 3 weeks ?
U friggin mope, do you want me to dig up your idiotic posts from 3 weeks ago since you have amnesia tonight?
Im aware who played today you ignoramus why are you ducking me? You know damn well what Im talking about.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
They are just tired of the madness Priest …
The X’s and O’s of it are all relative. The bottom line is there was not ONE guy out there on the defensive line who said ” you know what, NO MORE!”
There were plenty of 3rd down plays where someone could, and should have made a play. The 2nd p TD to Henderson was a blown coverage by Eugene on a 3rd down. Brees had zero pressure from the 4 man rush, but NO WAY that guy should have been that wide open.
The only reason Kelly gets a pass from me is he is constantly doubled. Joseph and Bryant look better than Warren does to me. I think he would be better suited as a backup right now. He’s not really the problem, but he’s not really the answer either. Scott and Alston look like they shouldn’t even be on the field. And that’s real.
Plain and simply any game where out offense struggles, it could get ugly. And with 3 huge holes on the Oline, we could easily be picking in the top ten again.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Mistabrown Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Priest, wasnt it just 3 weeks ago you said our def was so dominate that Dallas had to run trick plays to get positive yards ?
Some of us (the smart ones) knew you were full of $hit.
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Actually missed-a-brain you have been saying for years how the defenses failing has been Rob Ryans fault. Wrong as usual.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
I can’t help but say I TOLD YOU SO!
I complained about it and got chastised for saying “what have we done to address the run defense”. Well now, defense period is what it looks like. When NE traded with us and took Ron Brace (round 2)I knew we were in trouble.
Imagine if we took USC MLB Ray malewhateverhisnameis in the first round and Ron Brace in the second.
At least we could be sitting here saying we drafted players to fill those holes. Now maybe there is a positive here, after reading through this post I have compiled a list of likes and dislikes.
Posts that make the most sense:
Raider O
IMHO:
- we need a DT who is a run stuffer.
- play Bryant at LE, and Ellis at RE.
- need a MLB, and move Kirk to SAM.
- move Branch to FS, and start M Mitchell as soon as he’s healthy.
- we need a RT!!!!!
Post #46 Richard Bently
This was supposed to be the most important exhibition game. I don’t know how you can put any positive spin on what happened today. The offense is a work in progress, and the defense plays with no heart. It’s not a matter of technique, talent, or anything else
EXACTLY WHY I AM SO FREAKING ANGRY!!!!!!!
Alex give this man the prize!!!
One guy I blame the most is Mop Handle on offense.
#47 Roger Goodell should throw Al Davis a bone and allow Cornell Green to use his mop handle to pass block. He can poke DE’s and blitzers in the stomach.
Funny!!! At least this guy found humor in the slop.
#58 Kirk
Yell a little louder the old faucker is deaf!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Left Tackle ????
Do we really need a LT?
August 29th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I agree Jhill, but guy’s saying if we had blitzed? huh! I’m not at all saying what the DT’s did or didn’t do I haven’t seen enough of the game to honest. But shouldn’t a football fan know a blitz when they see one?
Mista when I said we dominated Dallas It desn’t mean I think we have a dominant defense. It simply mean we dominated Dallas.
I like everyne else am still waiting to see what kind of defense we have. This was the game I really wanted to see out of all of them. Because I know what the Saints present to you. If you can hang with that offfense then you have something. Well we didn’t and the reasons are obvious.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Honestly, I didn’t think we were going to get handled on Monday night like they did today. But that defense really concerns me to bring it back in the realm of possibilities. Another Monday night opener like that ….I just dread the thought of it.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Oh so now Im not a dumb bell…U didnt want me to dig up your post did you Priest.
My question is what happened in 3 weeks? How did we go from a DOMINATE defense to not being able to get off the field?
Actually dont even answer me you’re a fraud and a loon. Just keep spewing your bull$hit because most of these half wits in here dont even notice what a tool you are.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Now Brien says:
#68
Oh spare me guys!!! The DTs never collapse the damn pocket. Tommy Kelly is paid to be the best UT in the league and hardly generates enough pressure to justify the contract. Although I like some of the things he has done in the past the excuses are wearing thing around here. Get the job done or just fukin leave. As the UT he should be destroying people in the when team’s pass.
I knew that I can’t be the only one who sees this!!!!!!!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
SD’s offense is good but nothing like this, this offense is the best in the league IMO. The QB is just so accurate and smart he just rarely makes bad reads or inaccurate throws. Rivers has a lot of weapons but he doesn’t use them like Brees does. I said it last year after he shredded us that I thought he was the best QB in the game. Better than Brady and Manning. He just hasn’t won. So he doesn’t get the credit. But he is as good as they get.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Yes I do dig them up.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
What a sad existence to come in here and talk up Drew Brees like he is the second coming of Johnny Unitas just to prop up the Oakland Raider defense…in PRE-SEASON!
Buffoon.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Mista you’re an idiot, don’t you remember that people were in here concerned about the DT’s and THAT’S What I was addressing the DT’s you not the entire defense.
So dig it ALL up, we are all waiting.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Drew Brees passed for almost 5,000 yards just last year, but maybe you didn’t know that. He almost broke Marino’s record just 15 yards short. Rich Gannon won a MVP just for approaching that record.
But then again you know better right Mistabrown Brees is just a run of the mill QB.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Thanks Bob, glad your feeling well.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
BOB
What was your view on the game?
August 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
what a f…ed up sat. should of been at a party but my w came back from work with a sh..y attitude, now stuck here in front of the computer,only preseason but what a pathetic showing, icould understand the o trying to perfect the pass by not running all game which wont happen in areal game but the d sucks. everybody has a point that our d-line is awful just think who is preparing our o-line and entire offense. i brought that up 2 or 3 weeks ago about our preparation isn’t all that great with our players facing each other.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Tom Cable – “In terms of our performance and our ability, we’ve got guys there who can make plays that don’t make them,” Cable said. “We’ve got guys who can wrap up but don’t.”
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THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT?
August 29th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Thanks Bob, anything else?
August 29th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
I posted this after the first quarter and I feel almost exactly the same after the game:
A few notes:
1) BREES is phenomenal. There’s a reason he threw for 5,000 yards last year. This is probably the best offense in the NFL and they should move the ball on just about anyone.
2) TREVOR SCOTT better make a huge leap once the games start for real. Too light in run D (got run over on the 1st TD) and a non-factor in the pass rush. Doesn’t look like he has a single pass rush move. I really don’t think he should start if this is all he’s got.
3) RICKY BROWN looks lost. Terribly slow to decipher what’s happening in front of him. Notice, with one exception on the 2nd TD, Brees’ passes aren’t going outside the hash marks. Everything is happening in the middle of the field. Kirk deserves to start.
4) TYVON BRANCH is young. He flashes ability but you can see he’s still trying to figure things out. He’ll be OK, but it’ll take time before he’s great. And our SS is asked to be pretty damn great with the poor run D and coverage demands.
5) JOHN MARSHALL is going to have to blitz on virtually every play. This d-line is all but worthless.
6) NNAMDI is great. T-Howard, Chris Johnson are very good. Branch will get there. Eugene, Ellis and Huff are OK. Everyone else ranges from below-average to lousy.
7) Despite the fumble, JAMARCUS is going to shut a lot of haters up this season.
LOOKING BACK, I’d say there is one major positive to draw from this game. Despite the offense’s inability to score, JaMarcus looked fantastic. I, and a lot of others, have commented that this season hinges on JaMarcus’ play. If that’s the case there is definitely reason to be excited. Perfect arm. Excellent release. Greatly improved footwork, accuracy and decision making. He has the look of a bona fide franchise QB. Solid numbers in this game and could’ve been even more impressive if not for two drive-killing drops by Murphy and a Murphy fumble and a JLH drop that he probably could’ve taken to the house. I think JaMarcus threw one bad pass the entire game. That’s it.
However, this defense looks helpless. Anyone who thinks Ricky Brown is even a decent starting MLB needs to watch the tape of this game. Passes completed in his zone all day. Late to read and react virtually every down. Easily blocked. Runners going between the tackles that have to be chased down from behind by OLBs and secondary. It’s really scary. Trevor Scott is a non-factor in stopping the run or pressuring the QB. With the exception of T-Howard — who is a very good player — the front 7 is looking downright pathetic.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
our d-line is really terrible and our lb unit had 2 special teamers starting today
August 29th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
“priesttj”
“SD’s offense is good but nothing like this, this offense is the best in the league IMO. The QB is just so accurate and smart he just rarely makes bad reads or inaccurate throws. Rivers has a lot of weapons but he doesn’t use them like Brees does.”
Come on now, if Rivers is half as good as Brees was today he will beat us 24 – 3. Jeff George could slice up our defense the way we are playing now.
And I waited for this since February!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Nobody likes to lose like that, but just remember; it’s only a pre-season game. And the Carndinals lost a regualar season game 47-7 and they still made the super bowl… calm down people… i’d rather have this happen now than in the season… hell, think about it.. the lions were 4-0 in the preseason.. just wait till the run game comes out…
with that said, we need shaun rodgers
August 29th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
i’m sort of happy this happened today; the red flags are clearly seen now
August 29th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
The raiders are a gutless team with no pride,..thats how I see it from row 4.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Mistabrown Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
What a sad existence to come in here and talk up Drew Brees like he is the second coming of Johnny Unitas just to prop up the Oakland Raider defense…in PRE-SEASON!
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Drew Brees is a three time Pro Bowl Q. But you didn’t know that when you spews that stupid sh** statement did you??
August 29th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Up close,…its clear,..the Raiders are gutless,..no fight,..no pride,..thats the reality.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
a trade for a dt like a rodgers would be a welcome but the only trade bait we got now is bush and draft picks
August 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
The raiders are a gutless team with no pride,..thats how I see it from row 4.
………..
This is how I felt as well. Very lethargic, flat, and uninspired effort. Its not getting blown out that makes me angry, its the attitude the players have on the field.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
The bad news is San Diego is going to come in here and play a VERY physical game on both sides of the ball. They have done that Every time our recently and every time a team does that, the Raiders fold faster than Superman on laundry day. Until that changes, 5-11 or 4-12 isn’t going to change.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Raider KO Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Nobody likes to lose like that, but just remember; it’s only a pre-season game. And the Carndinals lost a regualar season game 47-7 and they still made the super bowl… calm down people… i’d rather have this happen now than in the season… hell, think about it.. the lions were 4-0 in the preseason.. just wait till the run game comes out…
with that said, we need shaun rodgers
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The optimist in me agrees with absolutely everything you said. But after 6 years of losing, this debacle was definitely scary. The offense was OK besides turnovers. But the D has been getting carved up. Something drastic needs to happen on that side of the ball. I’d suggest:
1) Sign Vonnie Holliday, start him in place of Scott. In lieu of that, start Richardson.
2) Give Desmond Bryant legitimate PT. See if he can take one of the starting DT jobs.
3) Give Kirk the MLB spot back. He’s got some issues but is still far better than Brown.
4) Get Mike Mitchell on the field ASAP. Nothing against Eugene, who plays OK. But we desperately need a physical presence out there to stuff the run and intimidate receivers.
5) Do whatever it takes, within reason, to get Shaun Rodgers in here.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Chargers,..I am not goin to that game,..a rout,..chargers laugh their way to easy 55-3 win.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I blame all the raiders problems on mike taylor.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Goodnight,..and in closing,..the raiders are a team of gutless bitches,..period.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
that was one of the most pitiful games i’ve ever seem as bein a raider fan. We got man handled out there in every category. tom cable was outcoached and he really needs to start puttin discipline in this defense cause they have known at all. Our o-line was horrible our whole defense in every single way was horrible and the playcalling was horrible. All in all i am glad that this is just a preseason game and that we didn’t show everything in the game. Thank god it wasnt a reg. season game but we cannot go into the season lookin like this. The Saints top 2 rb weren’t even playin and they still put 232 yds of rushing on us. tackling was poor as hell and the coverage. i hope we won’t look like this on the 14 and i doubt we well because we gonna have to make some changes. The only things i liked today was jamarcus was playin well but he needs to work on gettin the ball out quicker but other than that he has improved so much. The on ething that really impressed me was desmond bryant. This kid is a stud. He collapses the pocket and hes good in run support and rushin the passer. I hope i never have to see the raiders play like this because i don’t want my two sons tellin me that the raiders suk. my own daughter who isn’t into football was sayin “thats one horrible team daddy”. Once again, thank god that wasnt the reg. season.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Russell actually played really good except for that fumble. the thing was the murphy dropped 2 passes and then caught a really nice catch, then fell, then got back up and try to run again and got stripped.
im glad this happened in the preseason and not the regular season.
because he will learn from this.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
we had no run game in this game. The run game is our most powerful part of this team. mcfadden only ran the ball 3 times and bush only ran it once. What the what is cable thinkin? he needs to run the ball because this is arun oriented team and the best proven corps on the team right now. This team has no spirit, In all starts with the defense which then starts with the d-line. You got to be kiddin me. I was very dissapointed with tommy kelly. Tommy K got out in like two series because he neede a breather. Ain’t like he was doin nothin but this guy is truly a fuckin beast and i do believe in him. He just isn’t trying and you can’t see it. This guy can be dominant but he doesn’t put 100 percent effort. you can see when he puts 100 effort he crashes the pocket when he pass wushing and he disrupts it to stop the run. That one play where the rb ran right past him, he wasn’t givin no effort. they need to hire somebody to push him and discipline him because this guy can become a great dt.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
we need to get rid of kelly, alston, green, sand and bench warren, brown, Eugene, Routt. Start signing undrafted FA who are getting cut on tuesday, at least they got heart and hungry to make the team than bunch of soft over paid players.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
earlier i was watchin the falcons-chargers game and the falcons d allowed an easy 43 yard screen td to michael bennett. the falcons coach mike smith was livid. after the play was over he had the whole defense was on the field to huddle and he was juss givin it to them he gave them a huge earful. after that i din’t see the falcons give any yards more thatn that td. Thats the type of coach we need. and since tom cable is the coach he needs to start takin control like mike smith was doing and bring some heart into this team. He was rwally workin hard to remove interim and be head coach, well he needs to start acting like head coach and start instillin discipline in this team because just like richard bentley said on post 46, “it wasn’t the matter of technique, talent, or nothin else, or defense simply had no heart” and thats gotta change and cable is the one that has to do that.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Today the execution was horrible, talk about a heatwave! that just shows you how al davis spoils our team to earn millions of dollars to play blind on defense!!! This is AL Davis, his team, his bitches, his puppets, his overhead projector too find reasons & fire kiffin and trade gruden for draft picks! …the (black) hell hole booed all day. IF ALL YOU GUYS REALIZE IT, ITS AL DAVIS AND HIS MONEY AT THE END PEOPLE!!!!!
August 29th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
post 30 Kirk…
You’ve hit the nail on the head. Davis “will not and personally cannot” change his thinking from the 70 and early 80 when we were successful. He hates the blitz and even tho the successful teams in the NFL, especially leading defensive team blitz all the time, Davis will not change. He’s too stubborn or he’s become senile. Davis is responsible for this loss. He refuses to beef up the o-line and d-line and we’re paying the price because of it.
To make things worst, when we do blitz, we’re not too successful because our line backers can’t beat the one-on-one they face when the blitz. So, because,
our D-line and line backers are so weak, maybe Davis is right in not wanting to blitz? Figure that. Of course, he created the problem by ignoring our defensive needs.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
looks like another LOOOOONG year
August 29th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
raiders 4 eve,
no not kelly. this guy has the package but like i said he has everything except for confidence and puttin 100 percent effort which he only does sometimes and when he does he becomes a force. they just need somebody to push him. other than that i agree with everybody you said that needs to be cut because they are soft and play with no heart.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Saw this note in one of the game stories posted on this site:
“– Quarterback JaMarcus Russell had a very typical performance. He started out swiftly with back-to-back completions. Then he got sacked and fumbled the ball after holding the ball way too long in the pocket. He was 9 of 14 for 86 yards with no interceptions, no touchdowns and three sacks.”
What does “had a very typical performance” mean? If it’s a knock, it’s totally unfair. Yes, he held onto the ball a split second too long on the fumble (he was starting his throwing motion when he got hit). But he also had 3 balls dropped on perfect passes to open receivers with pressure in his face. If those catches are made, and JLH’s likely would’ve gone for a long TD, you’re looking at 12-14 for about 160 yards. That’s damn good. JaMarcus can only throw the ball. It’s not his fault if the receivers don’t catch it in a particular game. I’m giving JaMarcus a solid B+, maybe even an A- for his play this preseason. Of course, he could throw 25 TDs and 10 picks this season and if the Raiders only go 6-10 the media will still try to label him a bust. When your guys can’t hang onto the ball and your defense looks like it couldn’t stop a teenage nerd with halitosis from scoring, you’re not going to win many games. No matter how well the QB plays.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
hey Tazz
prepare 2 be dominated in FF…
August 29th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Guys, how can we win with backup players in this league? Seriously, Carlisle, Satele, Green, three damn offensive players were dumped by their previous team. This tells me they are junk players. You guys think Saints blitz was good, wait until Monday night game against Chargers. In the defense, Kelly knows he is over paid and won’t get cut so he doesn’t plays hard, Warren was also dumbed, alston and Brown is at best a backup if not out of the league. Eugene is also a backup. So we got a bunch of backups starting in our team, worst of all these backups play without passion and think of themselves highly. Imagine an ugly chick who when a handsome dude hollas at her and she plays hard to catch, thats what i think of these guys. DUMP THIS %%%%%.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
How can my first ever post be too fast for Word Press? This system sucks as bad as the defense. Any suggestions? How do you guys post so often?
August 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Raider Fans,
Demand better, 40 yr old slogans aint cuttin it.
There’s no honor in losing for the ego of an 80yr old man.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
word we should chang it to just win 4 games in a row please!!!! Baby
August 29th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Think im as bout crazy as Al,after watching that
Norco wheres the pills bruh
August 29th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
53-Man roster (barring pickups of proven players cut in cap dumps)
QB: 3
- J-Russ, Garcia, Gradkowski
RB: 4
– DMC, Bush, Fargas, G-Russell
FB: 2
– O’Neal, Lawton
WR: 6
– Schilens, DHB, Murphy, JLH, Walker and Nick Miller
TE: 3
– Miller, Myers, Stewart
OL: 10
– Henderson, Gallery, Satele, Carlisle, Green, Barnes, Wade, McQuistan, Pears, Morris.
DL: 8
– Ellis, Warren, Kelly, Richardson, Scott, Bryant, Joseph, Shaughnessy
LB: 7
– Howard, Morrison, Brown, Alston, Norris, Ekejiuba, Condo (long-snapper)
DBs: 8
– Nnamdi, CJ, Branch, Routt, Eugene, Mitchell, J. Miller and Huff
KICKERS: 2
– Lechler & Seabass
NOTES:
– QB: If they could get anything of value by trading Garcia, I’d be for it because Frye is a solid backup and much younger. Teams almost never keep 4 QBs though.
– RB: I like Rankin a lot. Hopefully he can be stashed on practice squad again. G-Russell has made a name for himself in special teams coverage though and has run well too.
– FB: Tough call between Lawton and Reece. Feel like Reece is a dynamic athlete but Lawton the more proven blocker. Reece is another practice squad hopeful.
– WR: Tough call on that last WR spot. Watkins and Holland also look nice, have the Raider height/weight/speed combo and are better options in special teams coverage units. But Miller brings abilities as a receiver that are unique from the other guys who are locks to be kept.
– Practice squad: RB Rankin, FB Reece, WR Holland, WR Watkins, LB Nixon, LB O’Neill, S Boyd, Best eligible o-lineman. I’m not 100% sure if Reece, Holland or Watkins are still practice squad eligible, but I think they are. If Holland or Watkins is not practice squad eligible, I could see one of them getting a roster spot and Nick Miller going to practice squad.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
i see holland over miller. miller really hasnt done much if u think about. that catch against dallas he bobbled and then dove for. he fumbled that punt last week. alot of people see him as a welker type but that aint enuff. holland has made plays in his few chances. holland wont be eligible for ps so he might be the choice.i like reece alot as well. i still say give frantz joseph a call and see what he can do in pads. id rather take a chance on a guy who is a true mlb than some te trying to learn the position.
August 29th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
After watching the first half, My opinion is that everything went the Saints way. They made their breaks and they were considerable. But nothin went our way and yet Russell continued to fight. I think we are working hard to get this passing game off the ground we ignored the ground game which would’ve made a difference. We were one dimensional. I don’t see that happening again.
The Saints are a pass first team, they run just to keep you honest. They are an outstanding offensive team way ahead of us. But I think Russell victimized them several times but didn’t get the payoff due to drops, penalties and t/o’s. So I’m very encouraged that by midseason we will have a balanced offense. It’s in the embryonic stages but you can see the potential.
I love this rookie Dez Bryant, I think he has the talent to be as good as he wants to be. He’san incredible athlete. Also Rickey Brown didn’t play nearly as bad as I thought. And Tyvon Branch has a ways to go but he’s a player. Chris Johnson is starting to get to that upper echelon of corners he’s very aggressive and played extremely well.
While the defense looks like doo doo right now. I definitely see where a change of attitude and attention to detail they could turn it around and be very respectable. No doubt in my mind they have the talent. An infusion of attitude and aggressiveness could elevate their play.
Grove was a much better center than Satele….period
August 30th, 2009 at 12:02 am
I’m not saying that he’s GREAT!! But DHB looks like the 4th rounder compared to Murphy………He looks like the Raiders 1st rounder…….I really do think that DHB is just another jesse hester or james jett. How fucked up is that!!! He sucks and he’s afraid to get open!!! How pathetic!! Cut that sorry SOB loose!! Only 1 catch in two games!! Whatta LOSER!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Whatta frustrating day it is to be a RAIDER fan!! GOD…This sucks…We SUCK DICK!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:06 am
you may have been right about grove but that right side has got to get revamped. green is still committing penalties as a veteran and the d was horrible. cj should never have been challenged by routt. he is much better in coverage, tackler and more disciplined. i dont think its a change of attitude. either u have it or u dont and we dont.some of these guys have been around long enuff to get it but they still dont. its going to take an infusion of new talent on defense before we really see anything. its all about the offense this year.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:10 am
oh great dhb is scared to get open now. we dont attack teams with him and when we do we either under throw him or give up a sack like today. hes been open several times but u have to throw him the damn ball. we dont feature him either but im sure we will when the season starts.all the players say how hes opening things up for them but we need to open it for him.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Pick up Defensive players on tuesday that other teams spit out!! We have no choice!! Wait for the cut from 75 to 53 and do it again!! Their second teams were better than our first team today on both sideds of the ball!! We STUNK uip the joint!! PERIOD!! NO Positives to day besides it being a pre-season game!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Tommy Kelly was getting NO Push. Walker and DHB were not open. The oline cant run block. Saints were in the backfield before Dmac could get going. Why weren’t these position addressed in the draft. Schillens and Murphy are better the DHB. We could have drafted someone else that can help the team. I cant defend AL any longer. He must go. The coaches have no authority. Unless we get seasoned vets who are in control over every major group on the field we are screwed!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Armond..
I swear… I want to give this guy a chance!! But he’s just not there. He only caught one pass in 2 games!! What does that tell you. Atleast Murphy is trying, even though he drops them he gets open, DHB looks like he’s afraid or somthing!! I hope he gets better but as of now, im really dissapointed w/ DHB….Lets hope he improves!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:15 am
By the way,,,, What happened to Armon Shields??
August 30th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Marshall’s gap discipline and attention to detail is no better than Rob Ryan’s coaching.
There’s no leadership, on the D-Line, regardless of the high wages Al Davis felt compelled to pay.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:19 am
After reviewing this game I have lost all hope whatsoever of breaking our streak of 6 straight seasons with 11 plus losses. I know it’s only pre-season, but….it seems obvious that this team will not compete again this year. Call it a gut feeling (after actual analysis), but they just look awful. I’m thinking SD will just tear the D apart, and it will be another horrendous, embarrassing showing on MNF.
I’m sick and tired of always being the laughingstock of the NFL.
When (if ever) will this nightmare end?
August 30th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Whatta DAY!! I’m just glad…..I was’nt a poor SAPP at the game!!! This was hard to watch…..FRICKEN Embarassing!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:22 am
The Saints probably were laughing on their flight back home! Gaaaaaahhh!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:33 am
dee- shields was cut thats why u dont see him. dhb doesnt look scared he is ready to make plays but we have to make him a priority. murphy is raw no doubt but he did fuk up. its not whose better now but in the long term. this was disgusting but dont give up yet. schilenz didnt play and u know we will run the ball more than we did. the d wont be this bad all the time. only a couple of qbs could do what brees did. we dont matchup well against the spread either. the pats did this with cassell last year.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:38 am
kell it aint about gap control and discipline. i never believed that cuz i knew we dont have the overall talent. i could understand if we had the talent but we never did. when was the last time or first time youve seen kelly make a game changing play? warren was #3 overall pick but has never lived up to that. joseph was a 1rst rounder with the giants but justn tuck was a 3rd rounder who plays like how he should. the only hope i have is for that bryant kid. he may be something but its not the coaches or davis, its the players.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Well our 2 best wr’s are both rookies….What does that tell you?? I cant believe this??? If Murphy and DHB are starting VS the Chargers, were in trouble!! DAMMMIT!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Some of you guy’s are just blowing some things out of proportion. DHB is scared TK is scared. It’s more like they are doubling DHB and russell is doing what the coaches instruct him to do. Throw to the guy with single coverage. TK is lazy and comes out when he shouldn’t. It’s preseason and the coaches are looking for backups. Even in the regular season he will rotate.
Sure it’s bad but some of it’s also basic football if you think about it. They are trying to settle on which players to keep. Kelly played OK So did Warren and Ellis. Even T Scott played much better this game.
We just got whipped by a much better team. Simple as that. They are machine like and we have a couple of rookies trying to establish themselves.
All things in due time. They actually ran against second teamers, while Brees basically sliced us to pieces with precision passing. There aren’t many QB’s close to his proficiency. So I think we have a better chance against most other QB’s.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Armond, nice to read someone who has a better handle on the situation. Some of these guy’s are just freakin’ ridiculous. Most of the rushing uyards came against backups, the game was Brees and his brilliance.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:51 am
priest what concerns me on d is that we dont make enuff plays to get off the field. it aint about this game but for years we have seen this. cable was very disappointed with what happened beyond what any of us feel. he is right about not letting this game define us. it doesnt cuz i dont believe many teams could do this. unfortunately they wont have to be as good as brees to beat us half as bad. the d plays 2 soft and i believe its in their heads.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Ive said before …when you watch Jmarcus …some type of hurry-up offence is the only way he can be a success with this team…….even 3 or 4 plays a quarter in hurry-up mode,would be good to inject some energy …and also give his weak [right side off-line]a chance ..if they dont false start , hold or illegally line up ..he has a chance
August 30th, 2009 at 12:56 am
guys r panicking cuz they see the same stuff over and over.u have to be realistic on both sides. no defense no matter how bad they are is this bad every game and not many teams can do this. the saints are on another level and sometimes u need this to see where u truly are. sf dominated us the same way with run yet they were losing by 11 and only won by 1 point. u think dmc and bush would ony touch the ball about 6 times with fargas out? ha come on yall its bad on d but lets be real about the situation.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:02 am
the only hurry up jamarcus needs is to hurry up and cut his sorry ass.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:05 am
also priest if u wanna get a good look at how accurate brees is u shouldve seen him on sportscience last week. he went up against a world class archer and beat him. dude was a perfect 10 hitting the bullseye. they broke down his throwing motion and it was the exact same release every time. he is the best qb right now.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:06 am
anyone that thinks jamarcus is any good doesnt know crap from shinola…..he sucks and so do all of you.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:06 am
armond maybe you would like to bend over for brees?
August 30th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Bob i feel u after that game…id never watch another Raider game sober…
August 30th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Even though Bob is in AA and struggling with personal issues, I have got to agree with him regarding Jr. That’s right Jr.!
Jr. obviously lacks the mental capacity of a Brees or Brady. He can be compared to Farve in mental capacity but he does not have the balls of Farve. He has the arm of Flaco but lacks the physicality of Flaco. He has the grip of a man who has had a stroke on the left side of the motor cortex and he has no pocket presence. That is why he frequently ends up getting the ball stripped. Got to give it to his agent though. “Show me the money!” He will suck in Oakland but flourish in N.E. (after Davis throws him in the scrap heap.)
August 30th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Just woke up and having trouble falling back asleep…so here I am reading your postings.
KoolKell…post 118: You’re so right. Slogans and a senile owner, who thinks his vast knowledge of the game is going to wins games for him, is out in la-la-land and his last 6 1/2 years running this organization proves this.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Good Morning !!!
August 30th, 2009 at 3:35 am
NATION
August 30th, 2009 at 3:43 am
CheapCollegeTuition…post 120:
Good review of some of the problems. Also, I’m tired of hearing the same bull from Cable: “We just need to make a few more adjustments and work harder.” Sounds good, but it’s total bull, all the adjustments of weak players (line-backers and linemen, D-line and O-line) aren’t going to change anything because there isn’t the “talent level” there to make a difference. It’s like a cheap thoroughbred horse who can’t win a race. You add blinkers, you add a shadow roll, add wraps, take off raps, work him differently, change jockeys, run him on the grass, on the dirt, at different distances, etc., etc and he continues to LOSE, Hey, send him to the meat market. And, that’s what we have to do with some of our “no-talent” linemen. Send them to the meat market and just start from scratch…anything is better. The “Terd” can be the first to go. More wasted money, complements of Al Davis.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:46 am
correction..last post should refer to POST 129 by CheapCollegeTuition…my bad.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Well back 2 thee ‘o drawing board.I’ve been saying it for 2 years now,we need 2 draft a…DT,MLB,DT,DE,C,RG,RT.The organization is WRONG,imo,we need BEEF at DT.We need a DT that is 6-3 and under,our DT are waaaaay 2 tall.A Center,RG,RT wouldnt hurt either.
I know,I know,Brees is the best the nfl has 2 offer…but still they have 2 do better than this…Like Raider O says try Bryant at DE and get that TE out of there and put him at OLB
Come on Big AL even you HAD 2C it yesterday.Grab other teams cast-offs ANYTHING!!! The Girl-Scouts would have done better
August 30th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Djohonnyg…post 133.
The “nightmare” will not end while Al Davis is in CONTROL. He’s a control-freak and he’s not going to give up his team for anyone. It’s his little baby, it’s his life and everything he does is geared toward that end. It will be another 5 to 10, maybe 15 years, before he moves on to join
Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, and all the others, in the dark vacate yonder of eternal nothingness.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Lets bring Frantz Joseph back in 4a try…It couldnt hurt
August 30th, 2009 at 4:07 am
4evaRaider:
Good morning and good night, I’m checking out. Have a good one.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Sh!t…we got NO pressure up the gut,well Bryant did and when he did he blew up the play.I took a back seat when the organization said it was the DE’s.NO MORE we got no pressure up the gut…do you hear we got NO PRESSURE UP DA GUT.Sh!t Brees had time 2 go to the store,buy a hammock,assemble it,make a pitcher of lemonaide,pour a glass,run out 2 buy the newspaper he 4got when he was buying the hammock,kick his shoes off,RELAX,pick a receiver and throw the damn ball.
WE GOT NO PRESSURE UP DA GUT
OUR DT’S ARE 2 TALL
THE ORGANIZATION IS WRONG
WE NEED DT’S
WE NEED DT’S
OH AND WE NEED DT’S
August 30th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Try not 2 have nightmares Cancun
August 30th, 2009 at 4:23 am
Priesttj…
If the clock in the 1st quarter had more than 5 seconds left on it,we would have been down 21-0.Thats 1st string vs. 1st string.They scored on the 1st or 2nd play of the 2nd quarter…
21-0 in the 1st quarter plus 10 seconds or so.they scored almost half of their points in 15:10 of the game,against our Ta Da 1ST STRKINGERS.There is NO HIDING FROM THAT,IMHO
August 30th, 2009 at 4:25 am
Oh,and did I mention that the organization is WRONG???
WE NEED DT’S AND 2 MLB’S
August 30th, 2009 at 4:28 am
i DONT EVEN CARE ABOUT MY SPELLING ANYMORE EITHER DAMN-IT
August 30th, 2009 at 4:43 am
good thing san diego let drew brees go.. Rivers is good, but not as good. this game can be a blessing in disguise and help the raiders more than it did the saints.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:46 am
saints may be a lock for the division. among the top nfc teams to make it to the superbowl. Have the saints ever been to the dance? gotta look that up. nfc superbowl contenders, eagles, giants, packers? , Vikings? definitely Saints, and maybe Arizona out of the West division.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Thanks Jerry. That analysis, unfortunately, was pretty good.
I just keep telling myself that-
1.New Orleans had the best offense last year and they may well have it again this year.
2.Drew Brees is a great quarterback and if San Diego wasn’t so stupid he could be playing for them
3. It’s a pre-season game and Cable wanted to concentrate on the passing game.
All of that doesn’t help because we sucked.
I liked the JR opened up with a pass to HB and I liked the way JR moved the team on the first drive all the way from our 20 to their 27 in two plays-73 yards in two passes.
As I said before, I’m all for starting rookies but two rookies?
After that first catch as Jerry points out we didn’t see much of HB while Murphy kept making catches and then losing the ball. Welcome to the NFL.
We’ll see Walker play more next time and he finally may be ready. I like Murphy and HB but I’m also looking for Chaz to come back and see JLH play also.
The running game looked like it stayed home but I think they just weren’t getting the plays because Cable just wants to work with JR and the WR’s.
JR actually didn’nt look bad which is not the same as saying he looked good. He’s still holding on to the ball too long looking for old dependable Miller to break free with the consequence that he loses it. He may still be throwing too hard as well.
On the other hand he was fairly accurate which was a problem last year. He has improved quite a bit
It looked to me though like the offense lit up some when Garcia stepped in and he’s rusty as hell.
This Ol isn’t so different from the team that played so well in the last three games last year except for one crucial element-the center. Jelling and jello takes a long time to fix.
The defense played with little enthusiasm or aggression although Desmond Bryant is a bright spot.
Oakglen you’re right we need to play a much more physical game which was always the trademark of the Raiders.
Maybe adopt a few rugby scrum tactics when the officials are checking their hair.
No, just go back to being Raiders.
“The quarterback needs to go down and he needs to go down hard”.
Truth is we’re a young, talented, aggressive(?) team and they’re going to make mistakes and it’s going to take time to come together.
We’re not likely to be playoff bound but we’re finally moving in the right direction.
We looked terrible but since last season we kept the team from last year and added some talent and there’s no reason why we can’t play the same way this year we did in the last three games of last year.
RAIDERS UBER ALLES!!!
If this makes no sense it’s because there’s smoke coming out of my head.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:53 am
of course they haven’t.. should of followed my gut instinct.. had a few drinks. maybe they are due.. but i think i hate them the way i hate the patriots.. lol.
down with saints.. I’d rather see the smash mouth running panthers and any other nfc team over take them.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:57 am
No Saints are just like the dis-chargers…never been 2 S/B
August 30th, 2009 at 5:32 am
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August 30th, 2009 at 5:46 am
yup…
we got problems…
i don’t feel like saying “who’s gonna stop the run” anymore…
i wanna say: who’s gonna play defense???
i wanted Raji, Brace, Brinkley… and every one of them were available to us… we could have had every one of them…
DHB may well become a weapon… but we already had a guy who can run fast downfield… could’ve had Raji here…
Mitchell probably won’t play this year… and don’t be surprized if he never plays… could’ve had Brace here…
Matt Shaunessy… where is matt these days???
Louis Murphy… good pick and good value… it would be helpful if he hung onto the ball…
Slade Norris… 4th rounder… definately should have been Brinkley taken here… by the way… what does Norris do???
Stryker Sulak… schit… i might have drafted him just because of his name… but he’s not here anymore…
Brandon Myers… a find… very good pick…
so who’s gonna play defense???
August 30th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Big Al,I hope you couldnt sleep last night.You personally should be pouring over every DT that gets cut.Any DT is better than TK or GW,imo.Big Al…please do your homework…PLEASE
August 30th, 2009 at 5:56 am
AND…I love Thomas Howard but he was flat-footed and getting beat all day…It’s NOT the LD’s,its the DAMN LINE
August 30th, 2009 at 5:56 am
when the line learns how 2 play I will learn how 2 spell
August 30th, 2009 at 6:23 am
I can see the DHB pick,Jmac needs someone like him…But the rest of the picks???
Murphy is good value…But the rest of the picks???
I been watching 46 years now and Big ALO I have ALWAYS BEEN 1 of your biggest supporters…
Next draft please draft DT,MLB,DT,DE,RG,RT,C
August 30th, 2009 at 6:24 am
thankx
August 30th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Drew Brees 65.0 comp 34 td 17 int 5,069 yrds 96.2 rtg
Phillip Rivers 65.3 comp 34 td 11 int 4,009 yrds 105.5 rtg
August 30th, 2009 at 6:56 am
I think howard spends more energy celebrating nothing plays than he does on the run and he is so blazing fast but you watch him blitz and he dosen’t turn the corner very well. Oh well I watch every game a again and hope for the best.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 6:58 am
So what brees is now better than Peyton and Brady don’t think so, the few times brees was pressured from outside he just step up where dt should have been and had all day to throw, what are they paying kelly for.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:03 am
First of all, the Saints offense “was who we thought they were”. They definitely have all the tools to go deep into the playoffs this year. As far as the game, they didn’t just push around — it was like high school boys playing sandlot with a bunch of second graders. Even we if we DON’T make those two or three critical mistakes, I think we still lose 35-14, or something close to it. Maybe the Raiders should consider doing their own reality show, called “Who Wants To Play Defense?” Every week, they can bring in new contestants who will work hard and give a s$&* toward actually tackling someone. My big concern is that the San Diego 1st team offense converted seven out of eight third downs yesterday — I am REALY worried now!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:05 am
REALLY WORRIED!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Man nothing against jruss its just every time I see him I think Adrian Peterson went 7 in that draft Adrian Peterson.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:19 am
That Ryan stinks as a DC! Millard is awful!
Still think our defensive problems are coaching related?
Anyone who does is clueless about football.
Our Dline can not compete against a good offensive line.
The talent gap is SO bad you can not even PROPERLY assess linebacker and DB play.
The only hope we have to improve this year is pick up some final day cuts at DT and maybe DE. Other than Kelly no one is assured of a spot on the DlINE.
I can easily see us cutting Warren. $5mill a year. What a joke.
Defensive football starts with the LINE!
We must draft a DT in round one next year. An OT in round two.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Could it be that the defense actually lacks the talent to compete like all those so called starters on offense a year or two ago? Those same starters are either out of the league or backups now.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:28 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.4EVA.NOMOREFARGAS,TBONE, THE WHOLE THING WAS UGLY YESTERDAY,FROM KICKOFF – FINAL GUN.CABLE HAS NOT THROWN ANYONE UNDER THE BUS THOUGH. HE PUT THE BLAME ON HIMSELF ,PLAYER’S AND COach’s.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:35 am
The only reason Kelly is secure is because of the contract. We will rengotiate it next year or cut him. Just like Walker.
DT is the last area still left where Mr Davis tried to buy motivation. It does not work.
Sands is already gone.
Alot of personnel moves will be made on the Dline before the Charger game.
Is RR out there? Where is the crow I am supposed to eat.
Our Dline stinks.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:38 am
What a pathetic showing. Fact is though, no one should be surprised. This isnt a good football team and those who think/thought it was were fooling themselves.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Morning nation. Bloody marrys 4 the hang over. Sheez that game was bad
August 30th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Russell is almost good to go now. As far as my untrained eyes can tell he’s only in special need of a new C, RT and maybe RG.
They are going to focus more on the defensive pieces next offseason. RDE, MLB and SLB being a priority.
This season, I think they’ll show up some games and stink in others. They’ll be below average compared to the league but better than the Rob Ryan product.
Will that be enough to have a 8-8 record? I don’t think so. 7-9 maybe. But hey, if they set the tone for the season Monday night, it can all change. Just don’t hold your breathe for it.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:43 am
This pretty much sums it up (from an SF Gate article): Saints quarterback Drew Brees completed 14 of 17 passes for 179 yards and 21 points in three drives. Then, the second quarter came, and he took a seat.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:43 am
ON TARGET CHARLIE,THE THREE WORD’S THAT WILL HANG OVER THIS TEAM, UNTIL IT IS CORRECTED STOP THE RUN / RUSH THE PASSER WELL 6 WORD’S
August 30th, 2009 at 7:44 am
4 eva whats the name of ur team on our fantasy thingy
August 30th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Dirt Lot
Unfortunately 2003-2006 were wasted years.
We have actually put together some very solid drafts in the last three years and have great skill talent.
It is just infuriating that we continue to ignore the lines.
If Barnes can take over at RT we have an average Oline.
The Dline needs a complete overhaul.
I do beleive we will make several final cut down pick ups on the Dline this season.
The long term solution is DRAFT lineman in the first and second rounds.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT COACHING!!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Coaching is a problem but its not THE problem. That team was woefully unprepared for what the Saints did. Period. That IS coaching. The fact that there is a complete and total lack of discipline on both sides of the ball is on the players.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
This team is in trouble. Thats all there is to it.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Good Morning Brother Dirt-Lot…
I’m sorry you had 2 witness whatever that was you witnessed yesterday =(
August 30th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Good point on Barnes – Lets hope he goes to RT AND is better than Green – But I’m not looking for that to happen immediately – Maybe a few games into the season.
I think the Oline is currently average without Barnes. Its just the penalties that can push them to below average. If Barnes turns out to be an upgrade they’ll be better than average which could further solidify the offense.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:01 am
I’m not tellin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok Rowdy Riffers…we are smash-mouth so be prepaired 2B killed hahahahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaa
August 30th, 2009 at 8:06 am
NATION, what is UP???????
Cable said we have not been practicing the run. I would imagine that this could be the main reson our run game looks aweful right now. We need to take long hard looks at the FA’s from only the top defensive teams during cuts, and look at who they are trying to hide on the practice squad and pick them off. Bring new talent in is better than going with these quitters. until otherwise notified ALL 53 positions are up for grabs. Where is the Pride, and the Heart of this team. These guys get paid miniture fortunes, and wham they play like a bunch of sissy’s…..
what a mess, 2 weeks to right the ship not sure if its possible. Dont even want to try predicting a record becuase this is not a football teasm, just a bunch of guys getting paid…
August 30th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Lets not fool ourselves here people.
The problem starts with Al Davis, no GM or VP of Operation to help him or challenge him. A lack of discipline and structure throughout the organization that young athletes need.
A coaching staff put together by the owner not the Head Coach. Creates bad chemistry and apparently a fight. The players see and feel this unorganzation and therefore feel as if they don’t have to produce as much.
Cable has no real authority and all the players know this so if they wanted to they could undermine him in a pinch by crying to daddy Al.
I am sick of this!!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Rockstar
Here´s the info for the Fantasy league:
Jerrymac’sKidz2
ID#574390
password-NATION
August 30th, 2009 at 8:09 am
This team is starting to remind me of the Bengals – woeful defense, powerful offense. The Bengals are not a very successful ‘team’.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Here were many lowlights I noticed and very few positives I drew from this game…
Negatives..
- Both lines were dominated. Again, same thing in the Dallas and Niner game… No pressure from the D Line and the only pressure that was generated was from blitz packages… In the Niner game and to a greater extent in the Saints game, their blitz packages were ineffective… Again, they were absolutely GOUGED on run plays.. And what’s worse??? The Saints almost had their 3rd and 4th string(!!!) backs gain 100 on the ground…NOTE: Their two leading rushers (Bush and Thomas) were out with injuries. In the NO game blitz packages could rarely be used because NO went many times with an empty set. When Raiders played zone, assignments were blown all over the field.. In the NO game the offensive line was stood straight up and blitz pickups were missed.
- WR’s Louis Murphy.. He killed two drives, entirely by himself, that could have been scoring opportunities and if we were to prognosticate further, could have changed the dynamic of the game. Johnnie Lee Higgins negated another would be huge gain on a blatant drop. WR play is definitely a problem and shows how much we need Schilens back.
- Non existent run game.. Sure, we were behind by 14 and the run was pretty much a non factor at that point. But gauging on how our line played, the run game wouldn’t have been much of a factor anyway.
- Body language…. This team didn’t care and looked to pack it in early.. I don’t care if this is preseason, it tells a lot.
- Defensive backfield. Horrible… Even Nnamdi was getting beat by Lance Moore on a couple occasions. They looked lost. Nnamdi and Cj held their own for the most part. But still a lackluster effort nonetheless.
- Discipline….. Awful… Penalties galore, same story that has plagued this team for years and years. You can imagine most fans surprise regarding this facet.
Positives…
Not many, but hey, why not?
- Tyvon Branch made 2 very nice open field tackles. In fact, it was very refreshing to see that. I can’t even remember when I last saw sound tackling from the safety spot like I saw from Branch. Probably Rod Woodson.
- Desmond Bryant was the lone playmaker on D. GREAT sack… Very heady play on the sack by Bryant to jump and make Brees tuck the ball, if he doesn’t Brees gets the ball out his hand… And at the rate he was passing, probably completes it. Another great play was when Bryant neutralized the C and manned the gap on a run play that freed up Ricky Brown to scrape to the ball and stop Hamilton.
- Jamarcus Russell did all you can ask of him. Displayed good poise, made his reads and put the ball where it needed to be. Sure, he has a misfire, maybe two. But he showed a lot of growth. He had absolutely no help. Just for entertainment purposes.. If you factor in Louis Murphys 3 drops and Higgins one drop on very catchable balls throw by Russel… His stat line would have looked something like
15/18 – 215 yds – 0 INT
August 30th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Where is the evidence of a “powerful offense”?
August 30th, 2009 at 8:13 am
We need 1 more to make it 12 teams or 3 to make it 14, draft is tonight, 9 PM eastern
There are 11 teams right now, we need an even number.
anyone interested?.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:13 am
New Orleans
August 30th, 2009 at 8:14 am
this team has
ZERO fire….
ZERO heart……
ZERO Pride……
ZERO POISE……..
ZERO DICIPLINE……
ZERO TOUGHNESS…….
ZERO MEANESS………
The opponents are playing tackle this team is playing flag….
Un freakin believable……
August 30th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Dude
Coaching may be a problem when you can compete and stay within 3 to 7 points of your opponent.
May be a scheme change or a play call could make a difference.
Getting continually punched in the mouth by decent football teams means we lack talent and motivation ON THE FIELD.
We can only compete with lower tier teams in the NFL because we ARE one. Make no mistake Sands,Warren,Scott,Richardson,Kelly,Joseph etc. can not compete against TOP tier offensive lines in the NFL.
The only recourse the coaches have is go with several final day cuts on the Dline from other teams and then start to draft some LINE talent in the first two rounds of the draft next year.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:16 am
“I felt like a lot of times we were getting up to the ball and getting set and they were still trying to get lined up,” Brees said.
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I noticed this quite a bit, for running such a vanilla D, they sure seem confused before the snap.
On one play I noticed Routt had his head turned and I was watching him screaming “PAY ATTENTION”, than they hiked the ball and he was blitzing!!! He is designed to blitz, and he isn’t even paying enough attention to get a good jump of the snap, rendering his blitz completely useless. Just plain awful.
I like Thomas Howard, but someone needs to tell the guy, it’s not that exciting to make a tackle 7 yards down the field on 2nd and 4.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:17 am
The Killer of this game was they didnt even have thomas or bush playing….. they had 3rd 4th stringers at rb……..
AL you need to take your money and invest in something else….
This reminds me of last year, its presea and i am allready pissed off to no end…….
August 30th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Like I said, coaching is A problem but not THE problem. Al Davis is THE problem. Period. End.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Yeah I agree with Dude!
Where is the evidence of a “powerful offense”?!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Bob Marley
I will drop out of the FFL league if there are only 11 players(teams). I’m curently in the first FFL game OakLifer originally set up. It would suck to have only 11 teams and a bye week.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Wanted 53 men who have heart to play as one unit…..
August 30th, 2009 at 8:24 am
A new word
“DeAngeloing” Originated from DeAngelo Hall
Definition: When you have been beaten continually on almost every play of the game and then at some point you make one routine tackle and you celebrate like you won the Super bowl.
Use it in a sentence:
I saw way too much DeAngeloing out there yesterday in the Raiders game!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I’m just glad I fell asleep right after the Saints 1st drive, I had gotten maybe 12 hours of sleep all week but was determind to watch the whole game…..I woke up 6 hours later pissed off about missing the game but after I read what happenned…man, it was like a kick in the nutz….f– them all.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Dell
I am in the jerrymackidz league
Don’t drop out of that one !!!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Where is the evidence of a “powerful offense”?!!!
In New Orleans
August 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Dell
No way, I’m glad you’re in, we can play with 11 teams, no problem.
I’m sure someone else will join today.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
SNB666
Having a bye week will not be fun. I don’t want to, but in fairness to you guys in the league it would be more fun. I can drop out before the draft, let’s see what happens.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Good points Teabag.
I’ll only take issue with the Oline being dominated by Dallas’ front. I don’t think that was the case vs Dallas.
Still this team is passing more than running this preseason so the overall performance of the Oline ‘could’ be inconclusive assuming a more balanced approach was taken.
I actually believe 1st team defense played the run better vs NO. Their problem was the pass and generating absolutely zero pressure. As a result they couldn’t get off the field in about 100 degrees field temperature. It was inevitable that fatigue showed its ugly face and the run defense started to collapse. You keep any defense on the field THAT long and esp in that heat and they’ll be had.
Right on about Murphy. He killed drives yesterday. JLH has dropped balls in every preseason game that have equally killed drives.
Absolutely right on about Russell. Like I said this guy actually looked good. If the WRs held on to the ball and the Oline didn’t get penalized his stat line would’ve looked pretty impressive.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:33 am
This group of 53 guys should never be allowed to do any DeAngeloing. ALL 53 until they put a better product on the field suck…..
DeAngeloing should be reserved for only “REAL” football teams not this heap.
The “Raiders” were DeAngeloing while getting there collective heads bashed in…
August 30th, 2009 at 8:34 am
not an excuse Terrapin
Last season I was screaming about conditioning or lack there-of.Diffrent season same sh!t
ZERO CONDITIONING,I even thought T.Howard looked fat
August 30th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Vegas – But at least Thomas Howard gets excited on the field and tries to generate excitement, which is more than can be said for the rest of the crew.
Good pointing out how late the defense was to lining up. The defense should not be confused. That could stem from MLB position. Possible consideration.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Dell
Stay put buddy, you’re one guy who’s gonna compete and stay active all year, we need those.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I DO NT KNOW, WHAT WAS THE PRE-SEASON RECORD UNDER ART SHELL,4-1 WITH THE HOF GAME, THEN PROMPTLY WENT 2-14.STILL THINK THE TEAM HAS WORK TO DO BUT…4EVA, WAS UGLY 4 SURE,DID GET TO MEET HWNDR THOUGH B4 THE GAME,A GOOD MAN,
August 30th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Just pointing it out 4eva. They have no excuses because the defense created their own problems that came via lack of pressure. Its their fault they got (looked) fatigued. They couldn’t get themselves off the damn field.
(And because they couldn’t get off the field, the offense goes cold turkey just waiting)
August 30th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Rockstar or anyone else:
Here´s the info for the FANTASY LEAGUE:
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League ID # 574390
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Draft time: tonight 9PM Eastern
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August 30th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Dirt-Lot…at least something good came out of the game!!!
I bet Hwnrdr says the same thing about you!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:43 am
222 LMAO
Nice usage of the word!!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:44 am
dell right now I have a bye but I think the slot will be filled today.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Raider Dell…Did you meet General Brien???
August 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
The way I measure it is: Loss vs Dallas, Win vs SF, and Major Loss vs NO. Better than the worst but not as good as some of the best – 7-9 team.
The Dallas game was questionable according to my measurements. It could just as easily have been a win. Dallas couldn’t stop the offense.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:46 am
discipline falls apart once you start getting stomped…
that statement is true for virtually every sport and military event…
it’s only the very best, smartest and disciplined players/troops who can survive a beating… and possibly come back to win…
so part of it is discipline…
and another part of it is talent…
i think we are woefully short in the talent department…
getting Barnes back should go a long way to curing the O-line… where is Wade??? is he hurt??? if not, he needs to play… Satelle does not have it…
here’s the draft picks i had in January…
B.J. Raji, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT Green Bay
Ron Brace, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT NE Patriots
Augustus Parrish, Kent State, OT (released by the Saints) (I think I changed this pick before draft day)
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina, MLB, backs up EJ Harrington
Derek Walker, Illinois, DE (released by Redskins)
Dallas Reynolds, BYU, C/G free agent signed w/Eagles, 3rd team C/G
Reynolds will be available on wednesday…
looking at Derek Walker can’t hurt… he’s good against the run…
and… looking at Parrish can’t hurt…
August 30th, 2009 at 8:49 am
In the Art Shell pre-season, the way I measure it, they were all big losses.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:50 am
My final comment before I get going and get readty for the FFL. The game was really hot yesterday. The stadium was hot unlike I’ve never seen before. The beer which is always never cold was even worse.
Just wondering if training in Napa, with the cool temps have created a environment to were we have not toughened up as a team. I just see other teams that have played us in person and they just play more determined and tougher.
Every coach the last 6 years continues to say things like, more reps, will clean it up need to work on those issues. The bottom line is this team has no fundemental drive or will, they need discipline and above all, learn how to play and tackle.
I think they need to start there, I could be way off, but It sure looks like something is missing compared to other teams.
Later
August 30th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Dell
At what time is the 1st league’s draft?.
I think someone said it’s 1 hour earlier than the 2nd league, if that’s the case people won’t have a problem doing both drafts, they usually last less than an hour, I’ve done it before, you can even have both draft windows open at the same time….in case anyone else wants to play in both leagues.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Pete, raiders need help in player personnel you should get a call sometime today……
August 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Thec07…
they didn’t listen to me in January…
they didn’t listen to me in April…
they are not listening now…
they will never listen… to me… you… or god…
we’re just a bunch of frustrated fans who know nothing…
just because we’re 31st against the run doesn’t mean we need help…
it means we should draft players for our special teams…
accentuate the positive !!! downplay the negative…
and yes… i do know you were being sarcastic…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Pete
Correct on the talent issue along the lines. Much bigger issues on the Dline.
As I said earlier, our Dline talent is so weak we can not even properly evaluate our LB and DB play.
I think Barnes at RT helps. Maybe we could pick up some more help on the Oline at final cuts from other NFL teams.
We will absolutely get help along the Dline. DT is a huge issue.
Sands is already gone.
I can see Warren,($5mil a year)and Joseph also go.
No substitute though for drafting Dline help in the first and second rounds of the draft.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Pete, Not really….. They do need help, and getting
Raji, and Brace would have been awesome IMHO….
If would could have gotten brinkley also WOW…
Brinkley would be starting if not for the guy he plays behind, but they have to put him on the field why?
HE MAKES PLAYS, HE HAS HEART, HE HAS FIRE…..
August 30th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Its still preseason I am allready hearing rumblings from the Nation Collective again…ROFLMAO…..
August 30th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Testing 1…2…3
August 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I recorded the Raider game and I’m going to watch it right now. I already know the outcome and I’ve read about the game. Before I see it, I realize its a pre-season game. The thing I noticed about preseason is that the good teams usually lose in preseason because they’re busy working on the small things while the bad teams are trying to win. I know the Saints have alot of firepower on offense but maybe their goal was to just win the game while the Raiders were working on other things.
Tom Cable even said he wanted to focus on the passing game and did just that but he made it so the team was one dimensional. Obviously any team will struggle because of that. When we start running the ball more than passing, this offense will look alot more dominant and the run will setup the pass. The alarming thing is the run defense but I don’t know if Marshall is running a vanilla defense right now or if hes going to go ballz out during the regular season. The other factor that will help the defense the offense and its running game.
The defense has been on the field longer than it should because the offense has been passing alot. Once we start running and holding onto the ball, we’ll increase our time of possession and keep their offense off the field and out of rhythm and our defense will be more rested. Just some thoughts on the matter.
The preseason is extremely deceiving and though I’m not saying we’re a powerhouse or anything, nothing can really be made of this game. The Saints can go into the season and start 0-3 and we can start 3-0. Week 1 is the most important and the key is to make sure we don’t look like this last pre-season game.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Terrapin – We beat the Cowboys and lost to the 49ers, not the other way around.
Also, in the 49er game, we went for a TD instead of kicking a field goal in beginning of the game and we went for 2 instead of kicking an extra point to tie the game. In other words, Cable was focused on other things and not the win. He could have taken the lead and he could have tied the game and didn’t because it doesn’t matter, there were more important things to address with the team and he wanted to see if the team could score under those circumstances.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:21 am
i am not nearly as concerned about keeping the opposition’s offense off the field…
as i am about keeping our defense off the field…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:24 am
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August 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am
whats up brothers….
anyone interested in joining a fantasy football league?
i have a few spots left if anyone is interested
August 30th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Cut Russell, start garcia. Period. Russell is a cancer.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:27 am
f*ck fantasy football, I would rather surf porn then fantasy football.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:28 am
By the way Russell heard it from brien and I,…all fans hate the guy, not you guys though, you arent fans, just blog dorks.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round, we will continue to suck. Bryant should be the starting defensive end, opposite Ellis. Bush and McFadden should be the running backs.
But our biggest problem is that we don’t blitz enough. Teams that don’t blitz, don’t win.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:29 am
24,
If you still have the same opinion after you watch the Raiders roll over like a submissive dog then your blind. Try watchn the game b4 talkn about it.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:33 am
im sure you do anyways.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Dude – I’m aware of the last 6 seasons and how bad we have been. Obviously, the outcome of the game makes it feel like its going to continue for a 7th year and in my mind, we’re going 6-10 unless we can prove that we’re better and 6-10 is probably optimistic considering the team has averaged 4 wins a season in that span. Lets just hope for the best man.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I think i’m going to start a feature for this here blog…
i’ll call Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department…
My very first entry into the Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department is the following:
Linebacker Napoleon Harris’ return to the Raiders lasted only five days, as the Raiders released the 2002 first-round draft pick so that they could re-sign linebacker Chris O’Neill.
O’Neill was signed by the Raiders as an undrafted free agent out of Boise State in the offseason. He arrived to the Raiders as a tight end and worked out as such in offseason workouts.
Then came a call from managing general partner Al Davis and coach Tom Cable informing O’Neill that he was being converted to middle linebacker.
O’Neill seems to be under the impression that the Raiders are targeting him for the practice squad. If so, that would mean he has to be released before Sept. 6, clear waivers and then be re-signed again.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
now that’s some stoopid schit !!!!
i gotta idea… how’s about we get players who already know how to play the position…
especially MLB… ESPECIALLY !!!!
why the fuqq anyone would want the captain of the defense to be someone who has never played defense before is ridiculous and qualifies as stoopid schitt !!!!
i mean… hell… let’s go all the way…
we coulda drafted Hakeem Thabeet…
at least he can block field goals…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Kirk
Blitzing is not the issue.
We can not pressure with four and we can not stop the run against good Olines.
We get pummeled by teams like the Patriots, Chargers Saints, Falcons and Ravens because our Dline can not compete.
Blitz against guys like Brees and the score is 70-7.
We will see some last day cut pick ups on the Dline.
I would not be surprised to see Warren, Joseph, Richardson all be let go. Sands is already gone.
We must draft Dlineman in rounds one and two to properly address the problem.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Give it a shot Norco…at least we’ll appreciate your humor, I know I will.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:42 am
The problems are clear as day …
We need an every down RDE in the worst way. 90% of the runs against us are going right at that position. That should tell you all you need to know right there.
ZERO physical LBs. Ricky Brown is our most physical LB, but he should not be playing in the middle. Hopefully Kirk surprises us all and …. NAH!
There are at least 3 glaring hole in our front 7 with RDE, MLB, and SLB. Those 3 positions are a liability against both the run AND the pass. Not quite sure what you expect the rest of the guys to do.
RT, C, and RG. LMFAO! 3 holes in the Oline and we are supposed to be a dominant running team? We need a dink and dunk offense where JRuss gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds ir else expect more hits on the QB.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Terdell Sands better be gone because if hes not, we know why.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Richards and Sands could be let go, but Joseph is playing pretty well. I think Joseph and Bryant are BY FAR an upgrade over what we had last year in Sands and Wakefield. We need a young stud next to Kelly and a RDE that can actaully get the LTs attention.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:50 am
I also hope the team doesn’t start DHB. I don’t think hes ready. Murphy made some mistakes but he seems like he could be ready enough. If you want to play it safe, start Walker and Higgins or start Walker and Murphy with Higgins playing out of the slot.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:51 am
At this point, they could just start Desmond Bryant and move Kelly to RDE. That would be better than having Scott out there.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am
My only fantasy in football is Davis cutting Russell.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Garcia gives us a chance,..Russell is a pathetic excuse for a nfl qb,…cut him now, enough of this loser.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
By the way ellis is speaking of russell when talkin bout losers stayin out late and not being professional.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Jhill
Hard to guage LB and DB play when our Dline is so overmatched by good Olines.
I agree with RDE. DT is a mess.
Warren and Joseph can not compete against good Olines.
They may look OK against the Broncos but they dissapear aginst top tier teams.
I think we keep Kelly for the year because of the contract.
Unless something changes dramatically with him we will renegotite his contract next year similar to Walker or cut him.
DT is the last remaining area where Mr Davis tried to buy motivation.
IT DOES NOT WORK.
Kelly plus Sands at $3mil a year and Warren at $5 mil a year is a joke.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am
I agree with 24. Move Kelly to RDE. He’s played it before. Yeah he’s big for a DE but so what. The Steelers have TWO Defensive Ends on their roster at 300 lbs or bigger and they’re the CHAMPS.
At least then Kelly won’t be double teamed as much, and we should be better against teams running to the right side of our D-Line.
Our left side is solid with Ellis. He is the best player on our line right now.
I say our front four should be
Ellis-Bryant-Warren-Kelly. It can’t be worse than what we see now.
Also we need to study the Giants and Stellers training camp and pick up whatever cuts on the D-Line they make.
The Giants 2nd and 3rd string D-Line is better than several teams’ starters.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Bob why do insist that Russell is our problem?
Russell played the one position that was at least average on our team yesterday.
Everyone else below average!
Why not lay the blame where it clearly belongs at the feet of Al Davis for doing absolutely nothing the last 6 years to address this pathetic defense.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Steelers
August 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am
# Kush Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am
I agree with 24. Move Kelly to RDE. He’s played it before. Yeah he’s big for a DE but so what. The Steelers have TWO Defensive Ends on their roster at 300 lbs or bigger and they’re the CHAMPS.
At least then Kelly won’t be double teamed as much, and we should be better against teams running to the right side of our D-Line.
Our left side is solid with Ellis. He is the best player on our line right now.
I say our front four should be
Ellis-Bryant-Warren-Kelly. It can’t be worse than what we see now.
Also we need to study the Giants and Stellers training camp and pick up whatever cuts on the D-Line they make.
The Giants 2nd and 3rd string D-Line is better than several teams’ starters.
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Steelers also run a 34….. huge difference
August 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I blame davis for sure for drafting russell,..now please cut him and his mink.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Yeah I forgot I saw Russell out there missing tackles, missing blocking assignments, dropping passes and yes his punt return skills are less than desirable. And oh yeah, he drafted poorly his year!
Are you going to blame Russell for 911?
August 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Norc… what the hell are you talking about???
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Russell 12/18 153 0 0
J. Garcia 9/15 111 1 0
and from what i saw Russell’s numbers should have been way way better… were it not for certain butter fingered receivers…
Garcia came in looking manic… desperate to prove he can do better… and in the end he did nothing to prove he was better than Russell…
Russell still reminds me of Elway… he’s actually ahead of Elway in development at a similar point in Elway’s career…
August 30th, 2009 at 10:12 am
There is nothing wrong with Russell (maybe his ugly Bill Cosby sweaters and his necklaces).
August 30th, 2009 at 10:13 am
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August 30th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Teams follow the attitude of their qb,..like brady,..peyton,..brees, and its clear the raiders also do.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:15 am
666 you are as usual lost in your blind loyalty to that bum,..you will never admit he sucks even when its crystal clear.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Norco Bob is a obfuscator….
Raider fans do not hate Russell.. Some don’t like the pick.. All stand behind him…
I have several friends who stand in the Black Hole, all of whom think Russell is going to be a fine QB.
Jeff Garcia @ 40 is not a better QB… He is too jumpy, and hasn’t made any better throws than Jamarcus this preseason.. All he has done is try to win coaches over with his shouting and ebergetic play… The dude looks like he is in a Hamster Wheel playing QB…
Plus, Jeff Garcia has never won shit and his playoff record sucks. As soon as Garcia went up against any hardcore D in the playoffs his arm couldnt get him out of a jam…
Look at the 2002 season… right after that amazing comeback win against the Giants he couldnt do shit against the Tampa 2.. They spied him all game and made him use his arm and he threw 3 picks..
Jeff Garcia took a shit against the Saints in 2006 and again with Tampa in 2007 – throwing backbreaking picks in both playoff losses..
And to add the ONLY effective play in Jeff Garcias repetoire is the roll out… And any other conventional play drawn up BECOMES a roll out because all he does is jump around and leave the pocket anyway..
At this point he is just a jumpy 40 year old who misses his mark more than he hits it…
You cannot win with Jeff Garcia and starting him only sets this franchise back 5 more years..
Forget about Jeff Garcia starting, it wont happen.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:18 am
24 – I said they lost against DAllas, beat SF and major loss againt NO – THE WAY “I” Measure it. I don’t measure these preseason games by the ending score. You sit there and worry about what the camp fodder do. I don’t.
I also said the way “I” measure it they lost every game in that Art Shell year they went 4-0.
And I think don’t know what you are talking about with regards to DHB. You make excuses for Murphy but trash DHB.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I can’t stand correcting sht when people don’t take the time to really read what you typed and just fly off the cuff trying to correct you. Sorry, but that sht gets on my nerves. I’m out …car washing
August 30th, 2009 at 10:21 am
SouthTexas
I just joined, thanks
August 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Teabag I bet you wish russell would teabag you you homo,..anyone with a name like teabag is gay.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Teabag you are right about the Steelers running a 3-4 defense. I’m simply saying that until Al Davis starts investing some money and interest in our D-Line, we are forced to do patchwork at best.
Right now our RDE position SUCKS. Jay Richardson sucked last year, Trevor Scott has been sucking so far this year.
Tommy Kelly played the end position for us before, and right now it can’t hurt to see if we will get better results there on the right side. What harm can it do?
August 30th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Soth Texas
It looks like you have 14 teams, why don’t you make it 2 seven team divisions instead of 4 divisions? right now we have two 4 team divisions and 2 three team divisons and the draft is gonna start soon….just saying.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am
wait, it’s 15 teams now….we need one more
August 30th, 2009 at 10:26 am
(Work and work)
Well those cars never stop coming
(Work and work)
Keep those rags and machines humming
(Work and work)
My fingers to the bone
(Work and work)
Keep on and can’t wait till it’s time to go home
August 30th, 2009 at 10:27 am
It looks like our biggest weakness on defense is our pass rush.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am
STR
There’s a division with 5 teams and one with 3…move one of them to make it 4 divisions with 4 teams..
August 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Anyone see Guard Marcus Johnson this game? Was he any good I heard people here saying he was good
August 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Kush
Mr Davis invested the money.
He just does not have the right guys.
You can not buy motivation.
The only remaining poor value players on the roster are Kelly, Warren and Sands. Salaries are way too high relative to production.
Kelly will get a final shot this year and if he does not produce I think we will renegotiate like we did with Walker.If he does not go for it we will cut him.
I think Warren and Sands are gone.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Tommy Kelly has gotten too big, keep him inside, move Desmond Bryant to RDE, he’s 6′5 290 with power and speed, he doesn’t have any moves yet but we might as well let him learn, at least he’s not gonna be tossed aside by Left Tackles.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:37 am
# Norco Bob Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Teabag I bet you wish russell would teabag you you homo,..anyone with a name like teabag is gay.
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Well, being both a male and a female can be “teabagged” I would say you are the gay one being the first thing that came to your mind was a man teabagging another man.
just my $.02
August 30th, 2009 at 10:37 am
we need two more marley, thanks for joining bro.
its my first time hosting a league
August 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am
we need one more, it’s at 19 right now…
Come on people
August 30th, 2009 at 10:40 am
one more person to go.
thanx for joining dell
August 30th, 2009 at 10:41 am
STR
wait, it’s an automated draft?
I don’t like those, I’m gonna drop out, sorry man
August 30th, 2009 at 10:41 am
you wouldn’t change it would you?
August 30th, 2009 at 10:44 am
let me know asap, if I drop you have an even number of teams and you can start drafting, but if you go to a live draft a little later I can stay
August 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am
its a live draft
August 30th, 2009 at 10:46 am
really?
it says autopick draft in the scoring and settings
August 30th, 2009 at 10:46 am
you need to change the settings dude
August 30th, 2009 at 10:49 am
im trying to change it, it should have been a live draft
August 30th, 2009 at 10:52 am
it will change the date and time, wont it??
August 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am
just put it a later today, what options do you have?
August 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am
i had to change the date to sept 2 at 830 central
August 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am
todays date is already greyed out.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:02 am
That’s fine with me
August 30th, 2009 at 11:07 am
cool
August 30th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Bob Marley. Good point. I’m agreeable to trying Bryant at RDE. The point is we need some more power at that Right End spot. Scott and Richardson are not the answer.
I thought Shaughnessy played well when he was healthy but we HAVE to shore up the right side.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Don’t forget JerryMac’sKidz2 Draft is today at 9pm eastern time.
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August 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am
So much for Mike Mitchell’s physical presence on D. He seems like a likely candidate for IR this year. Can’t have him and Schilens on the 53, with both out at least 2-3 games, Mitchell probably much more.
I think Scott needs to go back to his role from last year, situational rusher at LDE. He is badly outmaned at starting RDE.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am
If bryants doing well at dt maybe leave him their and move kelly back to de no way he will pushed over like scott and vegas is right scott needs to be situational guy not starter.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Kush
Yeah, Desmond Bryant can start at RDE and move inside on some plays so Trevor Scott can get some playing time too.
But maybe Scott is better suited on the Left side anyway, that’s where he got his sacks last year.
Start LDE Ellis, Kelly, Warren, RDE Bryant
Rotate Ellis-Scott at LDE and Bryant-Shaughnessy at RDE…..with Bryant getting some snaps inside as well on passing downs.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:28 am
The thing is Scott was a good situational rusher, but is a crappy starter. Richardson might be slightly better as a starter, but he is not a good situational rusher.
So if you start Scott, you have a crappy starter and no situational rusher off the bench. If you start Richardson, you still have a crappy starter, but at least you have a situational rush guy that he has proven to be effective at it.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I think Marley’s rotation is the best way to get the most, LOL, from this D-line.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Ha and start Kelly at RDE lol. You guys are killing me! Do you remember how the run defense still stunk when Kelly was the starter at RDE? Please it wont make a difference. Who the fuk is your run stuffing DT in yall bullshit proposed starting d-lineup? Warren is god awful and should have been coming off the bench. We are screwed this year as far as the run.
Exactly! Bryant is just another preseason star that you guys hype the hell up and won’t do shit against a starting o-line.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Let me comment, that the rotation is great to discuss for the games to be played, but we have a player no one is mentioning to much.
I’ve been to all three games, William Joseph is playing real well. The first game against Dallas he played against there two’s and three’s and was very good. He got some work in against the whiners and played better than most on the D-line against their one’s and two’s. Yesterday he played real well against the NO one’s and should be starting instead of Warren, based on his play so far.
Don’t forget about Joseph, I will be shocked if he doesn’t make the team.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:38 am
sure will there marley, bout to sign up
August 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Brien, what up? What did you think about JRUSS?
August 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Isn’t it worth a try Brien? What the hell do we have to lose?
Not a permanent change to RDE, but from time to time throw him over there to see if it brings any level of success.
As the saying goes, I would rather die on my feet that live on my knees.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am
“Guys, you can’t stay out all night,” the 12th-year defensive end said to reporters, though surely aiming at his charges. “Can’t expect to come in here and just turn it on. This isn’t high school or college football. This is the best of the best in the NFL. So you’ve got to do those small things that you maybe didn’t have to do in college.” -Greg Ellis
You know he is talking about Jamarcus Russell mainly! I dont give a flying fuk what any of yall say, that is exactly who he is talking about. People like KoolKell run to this guy’s defense and claim we dont know what we are talking about when we accused Russell of being a big party but these streets have eyes! I have eyes!!! He doesn’t take to his craft the way he should. He isn’t a leader and doesn’t care to be that is why the team will continue to suffer. The face of the franchise doesn’t give a shit so why shouldthe other guys?
August 30th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Kelly at RDE doesnt change the fact we have a joke at NT. Warren sucks and doesnt know how to play discipline football from that spot. Kelly is our best dlineman but he gets doubled all game because people know Warren suck.
Also the scheme is the damn problem. I was at the game and its the same bullshit from the previous years. 1- deep safety, outside man to man with a lame 4 man rush. You think they are actually gonna blitz? Won’t happen as much as yall think. Al runs the show buddy. And when we do blitz if it looks awful because the guys coming stink and arent physical.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am
It looked like the raiders were forcing the pass yesterday ,I guess they wanted to find some chemistry between QB and receiver. It appeared that the coaching staff had no game plan in defending N.O. You would think they had film from last years butt whooping to go off of. The bright side is it’s pre season , and didn’t Shell go undefeated in 06 preseason ?
August 30th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Brien,
I good friend of mine, works at a tattoo shop in the bay, and the artist has been inking up Jamarcus and his cousins. Jamarcus just got a huge Lion on his chest with dreads wearing an Alabama hat, supposedly.
My boy told me that the artist was at Jamarcus house all-night inking him, smoking Cubans and drinking all night the day before Jamarcus blew off that last day of OTA’s. Kind of a second-hand story, so I can’t vouch for it, but that’s what he told me.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am
I agree Joseph and Bryant are playing well now in pre-season. Can they go up against the big boys when it counts week after week.
Then again they couldn’t do much worse than Sands.
I guess once you have eaten a turd sandwich anything taste good!
August 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Thec………fuk Russell right now. People love to pull up stats but dammit how many touchdowns has the team got in all of his possessions this entire preseason? Just like last season 1!!!!!. It is excuses by some people on this blog. Some actually believe people hate on him because he is black. Bullshit! Many black people at the game and around the east Bay think the guy doesn’t give a shit. I dont give a damn about how young he is and all the other bitch ass excuses. It is the NFL and when QBs are drafted high in the first round they either get it soon or never get it. This fat n*gga better get his country ass together or he will never be the great QB he was drafted to be
August 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am
# vegas raider Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Brien,
I good friend of mine, works at a tattoo shop in the bay, and the artist has been inking up Jamarcus and his cousins. Jamarcus just got a huge Lion on his chest with dreads wearing an Alabama hat, supposedly.
My boy told me that the artist was at Jamarcus house all-night inking him, smoking Cubans and drinking all night the day before Jamarcus blew off that last day of OTA’s. Kind of a second-hand story, so I can’t vouch for it, but that’s what he told me.
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Of course the story is true VR! A certain player on the team frequents a night club called the “Outpost” in San Ramon,Ca. All the bouncers and bartenders have told me repeatedly the guy says Russell is a fat POS who doesnt work hard. Many Raider players as well as niner players go to this place.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am
hey marley its not letting me, says:
There was a problem
This league is not registered in this game.
Error #272
August 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am
VR, if that is not enough why in the hell did John Vella tell me last month Russell has gotta stop partying? Go ask him yall selves. His store is right next to Ricky’s Sports Bar.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:50 am
# Bob Marley Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Desmond Bryant can start at RDE and move inside on some plays so Trevor Scott can get some playing time too.
But maybe Scott is better suited on the Left side anyway, that’s where he got his sacks last year.
Start LDE Ellis, Kelly, Warren, RDE Bryant
Rotate Ellis-Scott at LDE and Bryant-Shaughnessy at RDE…..with Bryant getting some snaps inside as well on passing downs.
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Most sensible and practical alignment of our D-Line that I’ve seen so far. Brien I agree we look like we’re screwed when it comes to stopping the run again this year, but at least we can align people to give us the most hope.
I don’t know if Bryant or Shaughnessy is the ANSWER or not, but who else can we put on the right side of our line?
We gotta make the most of what we’ve got, and hope that the rookies can grow and develop as the year progresses.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:51 am
I personally never been to any raiders game but i wanna point one thing out while watching yesterdays game i noticed when ever our D was on the field there is no noise no body chanting Defense or anything
August 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am
VR, I’m in my late 20s so obviously I still hit the night life and constantly see Raider players out and about. Been seeing them for years!
For instance, January 2001 the night before the AFC title game vs the Ravens guess who was out past 2am at Jack London Square partying it up? Woodson,D.Russell,Dorsett and host of other Raider players dancing their drunk asses off at the Oaktree! No wonder they got their ass beat the next day. al Davis encourages this bullshit
August 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Brien,
He still played well I thought yesterday, with all this being said. You want to grasp at the positives, and than you hear Greg Ellis’ quote, and it just makes you say DAMN and shake your head.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am
# raiderz4o8 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:51 am
I personally never been to any raiders game but i wanna point one thing out while watching yesterdays game i noticed when ever our D was on the field there is no noise no body chanting Defense or anything
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What defense? The entire stadium knew it was a wrap after the first drive. I was right there
August 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
VR, the quarterback is the leader of the team. As Al Pacino said in “Any Given Sunday”, its the guy who takes the fall for the team. It is Russell’s fault as well as Al Davis and Cable. This is pure BS to watch the team get punked like this
August 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brien,
I was at that game, fukn Dorsett.
The only players I ever saw off the field were Adam Treu and a few others at the Columbo club.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Ellis is truth. a real leader. On the record I was wrong we have 1 player on the squad, and 52 lame a$$ F@CK degenerates….. This is a flag football team…
August 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Ok start Bryant at RDE. Well you better pray he knows how to rush the passer against the LT. There will also be instance where we drop the RDE in coverage like they done Scott a few times this preseason. I highly doubt he can
August 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
VR, these players are out all the damn time.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
U guys take care gotta go man the grill BBQ time this raider S#IT is depressing as all F@ck….
August 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Right before the start of the second half, I saw Ellis grab Jamarcus and put his arm around him and tell him something. Jamarcus listened said something, slapped Ellis on the ass and walked away.
Would like to know what was said.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
VR, he told him, ” Hey kid you got to play better than this because you can be great at this position”
August 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
STR
Sure you have the right info?
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August 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
You are not going to improve with the same old crap on the Dline.
Kelly, Ellis will make the team.
Everyone else is a potential cut depending on what is available on the last day of cuts from other clubs.
Dline cast offs from the Steelers, Ravens and Giants will be better than most of the garbage we have.
I know Sands is gone. I think Warren is as well for $5mill a year.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
# Charlie Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
You are not going to improve with the same old crap on the Dline.
Kelly, Ellis will make the team.
Everyone else is a potential cut depending on what is available on the last day of cuts from other clubs.
Dline cast offs from the Steelers, Ravens and Giants will be better than most of the garbage we have.
I know Sands is gone. I think Warren is as well for $5mill a year.
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Amen brotha!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Brien the General Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am
“Guys, you can’t stay out all night,” the 12th-year defensive end said to reporters, though surely aiming at his charges. “Can’t expect to come in here and just turn it on. This isn’t high school or college football. This is the best of the best in the NFL. So you’ve got to do those small things that you maybe didn’t have to do in college.” -Greg Ellis
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How much does Stafford and Leinart work on their craft????
Why dont they come under the same controversy???
And I doubt he was talking to Russell directly, maybe he was including him… It very well could have been a blanket statement.. There are 4 rookies on the team… He may have been talking to them…
I only deal with facts and not speculation.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
“I’m sorry you’re on a team full of morons.”
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vegas raider Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Right before the start of the second half, I saw Ellis grab Jamarcus and put his arm around him and tell him something. Jamarcus listened said something, slapped Ellis on the ass and walked away.
Would like to know what was said.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
vegas raider Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Right before the start of the second half, I saw Ellis grab Jamarcus and put his arm around him and tell him something. Jamarcus listened said something, slapped Ellis on the ass and walked away.
Would like to know what was said.
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‘Don’t worry, you will playing for a fucntional team soon……. in New England”
August 30th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
sup NATION?
I like the ellis blast to the team… only who will listen???
August 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
damn brien u resort to callin jruss a fat n-gga and u have the nerve to talk sh-t? thats completely uncalled for and ignorant on your part. he did play well and his wr didnt help much. alot guys probably party 2 much but its funny how alot of fans get to party in ways that u criticize these players for doing. didnt stabler do the same stuff along with namath and others? u can talk all that aint cuz he black stuff all u want but callin him a n-gga cuz u dont like him only makes u 1.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
If nothing else I do not think we will hear about pad level, gap discipline or better technique again.
Good offensive lines will nullify all of that unless you are ATHLETIC enough to overcome it and blow up plays.
We do not have enough athletic talent on the Dline.
Cast offs from the Ravens, Giants and Steelers will be better than most of what we have.
After picking up some cast offs this year we better start investing first and second round picks in BOTH lines.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
yes we need to change alot of players on that d line. i never believed it was a technique discipline issue. we dont have the overall talent. warren never has lived up to being a #3 pick and kelly doesnt make real game changing plays and sands is just awful. thats who we count on 2 make plays which is why we suck. we will change the attitude by changing the players who already have the it factor required.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Chefs lost their QB
August 30th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
charlie we have no choice next year cuz we pretty much have our skill positions filled up with draft picks. its not where u pick em but who. if the best mlb prospect is better than the next dt with our 1rst pick then we have to go mlb and so on. some 3rd guy may be better than a 1rst or 2nd. atleast we have 2 3rds and 2 5ths. hopefully we can swing a deal to get another 2nd also. my biggest wish is that we win enuff to attract peppers next year. wishful thinking but whatelse we got.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
408- For how long?
All – I have no quarrels with young men partying. They have lives to live just as we do. Gawd knows I party my ass off! So long as they get the job done that needs to be done its not a big deal. But if it intrudes on their production on the field, that goes without saying as well.
As far as my eyes saw, JRussell looked good (getting much better). Now if he is taking other players out with him and they are not performing just as well – then you have a problem. I remember when I was in high school and I used to cut up all the time with some other guys ..the difference being I always got the job done ..and they didn’t. The teacher had to tell them how much they were f’n up messin’ with me. They soon stopped. Not everyone can do the same things and perform the same.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Terrapin…post 220
I must have been watching a different game than you…my bad. You state that the run defense, first team, actually played better against the Saints. Wow. Thanks for letting me know, that much appreciated.
By the way, for record purposes, in the first half, when “our first team defense” was playing, we allowed the Saints to gain 344 total yards, with 165 yards running, to our 60 yards. Ya, you’re right, we did play better..thanks again for letting me know. Footnote, the Saints finished the game with 536 total yards. JaMarcus Russell said, as he walked off the field: “It was very embarrassing.”
August 30th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Terrapin
it doesnt say but heres the link…
http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/1413062.html?storylink=omni_popular
August 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Armond
Our Dline is so bad we can not properly evaluate LB or DB play.
Defense starts with the line.
Guys like Reggie White made a lot of average linebackers look pretty good.
It must start with the line.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
We the 10th pick in the 2010 draft, the Oakland Raiders select…… Syd’Quan Thompson, DB, Cal
Just preparing you guys, don’t kill the messanger.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Cancun – No need to get offended by what I said. Just pointing out that they played the run better vs NO than vs SF. Not saying they played either well. But they initially played NO better. Against NO they doomed themselves by not being able to get off the damn field in near 100 degree field temperatures. That had mostly to do with the lack of pass rush not run defense.
One thing leads to another. If your defense can’t get off the field, can’t stop on 3rd downs, they’re toast against the run or pass.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I think i’m going to start a feature for this here blog…
i’ll call Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department…
My very first entry into the Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department is the following:
Linebacker Napoleon Harris’ return to the Raiders lasted only five days, as the Raiders released the 2002 first-round draft pick so that they could re-sign linebacker Chris O’Neill.
O’Neill was signed by the Raiders as an undrafted free agent out of Boise State in the offseason. He arrived to the Raiders as a tight end and worked out as such in offseason workouts.
Then came a call from managing general partner Al Davis and coach Tom Cable informing O’Neill that he was being converted to middle linebacker.
O’Neill seems to be under the impression that the Raiders are targeting him for the practice squad. If so, that would mean he has to be released before Sept. 6, clear waivers and then be re-signed again.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
now that’s some stoopid schit !!!!
i gotta idea… how’s about we get players who already know how to play the position…
especially MLB… ESPECIALLY !!!!
why the fuqq anyone would want the captain of the defense to be someone who has never played defense before is ridiculous and qualifies as stoopid schitt !!!!
i mean… hell… let’s go all the way…
we coulda drafted Hakeem Thabeet…
at least he can block field goals…
August 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
“I don’t think we’re going to be a high-powered group right now,” Chiefs coach Todd Haley said.
How is this in any way suppose to encourage your team after the QB goes down?
No where does it say the type of injury sustained. Everyone is just speculating that its bad. We’ll see I guess.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
yeah i agree charlie but i think we can evaluate our lbs and dbs just by how they make their own plays. they dont tackle well when in position even if it is for a 4 yard gain it ends being 12. routt is getting torched and committing penalties.while or line may not be holding up well the lbs are making simple plays bigger than they need to be.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
WOW! Glad I was working and I didn’t see whatever the hell that was yesterday.
Looks like the team didn’t even show up….if that is going to happen….don’t even bother to show fellas…and that includes the coaching staff! WTF?
This is exactly what will happen when the Raiders play teams that can run the ball and have an effcient passing game. They will be shredded.
Defense better get more aggressive, explosive and have gap discipline and mix up the looks.
Same with the offense, they need to mix it up and not become predictable or it will be bad. Where is the WILDCAT?
Get ready to throw 1000 bucks on the Chargers to cover opening night if this is how the Raiders are going to play….
Not good….
August 30th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
It’s still a GREAT day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
I knew we should’ve played Lechler.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
people automatically point out jruss in ellis comments about partying but lets not forget super mario and his self acknowledged bk binge on friday night. remember how he tweeted about eating all that junk after having a pretty healthy diet up in napa? i find it no coincidence that he looked slower and sluggish yesterday. dude was sick from eatin all that crap he had to sit out that walkthru.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
No more BK runs for Mario!!!!
He needs to go to Wendy’s and go a little healthier.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Terrapin post #220 is on the money, IMHO
August 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
# armond Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
people automatically point out jruss in ellis comments about partying but lets not forget super mario and his self acknowledged bk binge on friday night. remember how he tweeted about eating all that junk after having a pretty healthy diet up in napa? i find it no coincidence that he looked slower and sluggish yesterday. dude was sick from eatin all that crap he had to sit out that walkthru.
^^^^^^Agreed what Mario did to himself is a reflection on how the team played. He eats like crap and they play like CRAP!
This is a year round profession for these guys…they need to keep the edge, stay in shape, eat right, study hard, play smart and hard, stay focused and concentrate.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
This team is really comical if you care to find the humor in it. I was pissed after the Super Bowl years ago, but it really has become a little funny in a dark way.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Garcia reminds me of an overly excited puppy, pissin’ all over himself!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
JaMarcus looked fine. Offense is going to be OK — even with the rookies playing more than what rooks normally do.
As exciting as he is to watch… Murphy is undisciplined, in large part due to his enthusiasm. His routes are pretty good — not excellent — and he finds the open spaces like a natural. But, he’s been eating an awful lot of humble pie lately, and he’s figuring out how hard it is to be really good in the NFL. He will be, but he needs to mature as a player in a hurry.
DHB looks right on target, and whether or not they throw to him, he is being doubled by the opposing Def’s. When they start throwing the ball his way 6-8 times per game, it will be exciting to see. JLH is going to be a great target with DHB and Chaz/Murph getting so much attention paid them. ZMiller is Mr. Steady. Javon Walker didn’t show much burst off the line, but he wasn’t a target either. I keep telling people to not write off Jonathan Holland…he’s scrappy, and he should be playing more than we see.
The running game wasn’t used the way Cable wanted…but, it doesn’t take much to fall out of game-plans when you get down a few quick TD’s. Bush wasn’t used nearly enough…and he didn’t get the chance to get his groove on (like anybody on O did!). But, with DMC doing the electric things he does, and MBush actually being used, the RB’s will be fine. I worry about DMC’s health more than anything…every time I see him dip a shoulder in traffic.
D-Line? Atrocious. They are manipulated all over the field by the O-line. When they get a hand on a ball-carrier, they can’t wrap up. Hello, LB’s?? Do we have ANY LB’s who know how to tackle? ANYBODY WHO CAN TACKLE??
Eugene gets a slight pass, because he was out all week. Mike Mitchell is missing an incredible opportunity to win a job (and we NEED the spark aggressive guys like him provide). JaMarcus looked like he was pretty good to go. The O-line will probably be alright.
The D-line and LB’s are unbelievably outplayed — by talent not necessarily any better than them — on a regular basis. Being out-talented is one thing, but being out-played is another. Not having Morrison (and Norris) actually hurt a lot. Morrison, because he can match up to some of the fast talent on the other side, and Norris, because he actually shows some instincts toward tackling/hitting. And the rookies shall show us the way.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Good post HD37, Everybody is ready to blow up the team. lol over one loss in exhibition.
If we stay the course we’ll be fine. We got our ass’s kicked plain and simple………..it happens to the bst of them. NO isn’t quite that good and we aren’t nearly that bad but for one night it certainly looked that way.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Hayes,
Tackling? I think u can answer that yourself. #52 has had 500 tackles in his young career, who cares if they are 5 yards from the line of scrimmage at this point. Just get well soon Mr. Morrison, please. He leads this defense, and lord knows they need him. I am sure the mlb competition has reached it’s conclusion.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
priesttj Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
If we stay the course we’ll be fine
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I guess it depends on one’s definition of “fine”.
If we “stay the course”, we will win between 3-6 games. 7 at best. I am not “fine” with that.
Everyone keeps saying how great the Saints are. THEY WERE IN LAST PLACE IN THEIR DIVISION LAST YEAR.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
24 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I recorded the Raider game and I’m going to watch it right now. I already know the outcome and I’ve read about the game. Before I see it, I realize its a pre-season game. The thing I noticed about preseason is that the good teams usually lose in preseason because they’re busy working on the small things while the bad teams are trying to win. I know the Saints have alot of firepower on offense but maybe their goal was to just win the game while the Raiders were working on other things.
Richochet: Ahhh..the “I’m in denial” stage..the “oh damn, let me find something/anything that will help me get through this” stage..the “have to come up with something to fend off those buddies that are rubbing this in my face, at least until MNF” stage….
How’s that working for ya?
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Tom Cable even said he wanted to focus on the passing game and did just that but he made it so the team was one dimensional. Obviously any team will struggle because of that. When we start running the ball more than passing, this offense will look alot more dominant and the run will setup the pass. The alarming thing is the run defense but I don’t know if Marshall is running a vanilla defense right now or if hes going to go ballz out during the regular season. The other factor that will help the defense the offense and its running game.
Richochet: Oh..as compared to …oh…say…”FINDING OUT IF YOUR TEAM IS READY FOR OPENING DAY”?? The “let’s keep back some secrets, because now? Right NOW..we’ve developed something that no one else has EVER seen or used..boy oh boy are they in for a surprise” angle? There are NO DISGUISES that you could possibly show that anyone will view as “unique, and a tell”. At any given moment you can show blitz..and switch. This isn’t rocket science. It’s “CAN WE PERFORM”.
IF THAT WASN’T CABLE’S GOAL, then he wouldn’t have had most of the starters in during the 3rd quarter.
You were AT HOME. Your own fans were booing, nonstop, from the first series on. You got bitchslapped, and it was on NFL network, across the county, and you’re pretending it was by design? Lol..who do you think you’re kidding?
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The defense has been on the field longer than it should because the offense has been passing alot. Once we start running and holding onto the ball, we’ll increase our time of possession and keep their offense off the field and out of rhythm and our defense will be more rested. Just some thoughts on the matter.
Richochet: Well, gosh, you must be right. Let’s look and see what your STARS did.
Bush..one carry…ONE YARD.
McFadden 3 carries…ZERO YARDS.
Oh sure..I can see it. Cable said ‘Yep, they’re fined tuned. Let’s go work on the passing game. That offensive running game kicked ass during the 49er game…oh wait..that was the Niners that kicked ass on the running game..well..uh..we’re behind by 31 points at the half…PASS, DAMNIT..PASS”
THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO WHAT HAPPENED?
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The preseason is extremely deceiving and though I’m not saying we’re a powerhouse or anything, nothing can really be made of this game. The Saints can go into the season and start 0-3 and we can start 3-0. Week 1 is the most important and the key is to make sure we don’t look like this last pre-season game.
Richochet: Silly boy. EVERYONE (apparently except you) knows preseason game 3 is where you want your starters to do what they’ve been training for..to execute. You then have two weeks to work on areas of weakness.
Btw..Cable, and pretty much everyone on the Raiders stated it’s a major concern, and that they got whupped.
You might want to take your head out of the sand now..otherwise you’ll be one of those posters that “mysteriously” disappear after the season starts..not daring to show their face.
We’ll miss ya
August 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
24 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Terrapin – We beat the Cowboys and lost to the 49ers, not the other way around.
Also, in the 49er game, we went for a TD instead of kicking a field goal in beginning of the game and we went for 2 instead of kicking an extra point to tie the game. In other words, Cable was focused on other things and not the win. He could have taken the lead and he could have tied the game and didn’t because it doesn’t matter, there were more important things to address with the team and he wanted to see if the team could score under those circumstances.
Richochet: First off, it’s pretty much a given now for coaches to NOT settle for a tie in the 4th quarter. Any HC that deliberately sets up to possibly go into over time should be fired. Any HC that loses a player to injury because of that overtime, should be shot.
And save the ‘didn’t care about the win”. Going for 2 means you WANT THE WIN, not the other way around. Means you want to end it now. IF you had made that, and it held up, would be praise about “having balls and going for it”. You missed so you run the “didn’t matter”?
It’s the Raiders/Niners.
It’s HC job of the Raiders, which is always precarious.
LMAO at Raider fan
Win=WE KICKED YOUR ASS.
Loss-IT DIDN’T MATTER
Prior to the game was all about winning…now?
Ok, keeping in that vein..uh..obviously yesterday Cable was also “focused” on other things.
What might those have been?
August 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
# Raider E Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
This team is really comical if you care to find the humor in it. I was pissed after the Super Bowl years ago, but it really has become a little funny in a dark way.
^^^^^^Oh yeah…because when they are bad….they are REALLY freakin terrible!
Like I said about a month ago. If this team is gonna suck again…I might as well make money on them being crappy….by betting against them most of the time.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Dump russell,..draft tebow next year,..he will work harder then anyone and wont walk around town in a mink coat looking like a fool.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Teabagger/troll — Did you really use Leinart as an example of guys who work hard on their craft? What craft is that? The hot tub/club/fast car craft?
August 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
priesttj Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Good post HD37, Everybody is ready to blow up the team. lol over one loss in exhibition.
If we stay the course we’ll be fine. We got our ass’s kicked plain and simple………..it happens to the bst of them. NO isn’t quite that good and we aren’t nearly that bad but for one night it certainly looked that way.
^^^^^^^WTF does stay the course mean with this team though? If staying the course means playing the way they played against the Aints, then staying the course is suicidal.
Seriously, they need to move Kelly to RDE, because he is at least big and strong enough to be a base and effective against the run. Boschetti and Warren at DT’s and Ellis LDE….with Richardson and Scott being rotated in in pass situations or zone blitz situations and D Bryant being the prime backup at DT. Gunheim needs to see some time as well.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Norc… what the hell are you talking about???
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Russell 12/18 153 0 0
J. Garcia 9/15 111 1 0
and from what i saw Russell’s numbers should have been way way better… were it not for certain butter fingered receivers…
Garcia came in looking manic… desperate to prove he can do better… and in the end he did nothing to prove he was better than Russell…
Russell still reminds me of Elway… he’s actually ahead of Elway in development at a similar point in Elway’s career…
RICHOCHET: Actually ahead of Elway? You mean Janet, or John?
In both of John’s first two years, the Bronco’s got to the playoffs. (his 4th year the SB)
So, exactly what was it he beat Janet in? First in line at the buffet table? Or in visits to Zane Jewelers?
How the hell can you compare Elway with Russell?
Oh save the “struggled in first couple of years” copout.
Difference is Russell (Manning, Young, etc) worked their ass off, both prior to coming into camp, and during camp. Russell shows up, fat, and admits it. Shows up sucking air, because he’s, in his words, “out of shape”
Those other qb’s did everything they could to improve their game. Russell does everything he can to improve his bling. Those other qb’s were immediate leaders. No one, as in NO ONE on the Raiders EVER refers to Russell as a leader.
The only similarities between Elway and Russell is Janet Elway smiled all the way to the bank with her divorce settlement with John..and Russell smiles all the way to the bank AND the buffet table with his guaranteed money from Al.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Norco Bob Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Dump russell,..draft tebow next year,..he will work harder then anyone and wont walk around town in a mink coat looking like a fool.
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Yeah he will just tell everyone we are losing because God is punishing us for not following his lead enough. Dude is off-the-deep end with his bible-thumping.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
DKnight,
Remember when betting against the Raiders, you gotta cover a lot of points. And those lines are going up after yesterday’s sorry performance.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Do you get some kind of sense of self worth calling people dumb and such. Didn’t mama hug u enough? Why do u come here trying to be a know it all, and finding people to convert to your self absorbed notion of being the football guru. These posts are all subjective opinions.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Richocet
that comment was for you
August 30th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Before I depart, I would like to re-adjust my points prediction for this year…
I had predicted the Raiders would score 22-points per game…6-points more per game than last year.
After watching this last juggernaut-like effort by the Raiders…I think I will adjust my prediction…upward!
I now believe this Raiders team will average 22.1-points per game this year.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Teabagger/troll — Did you really use Leinart as an example of guys who work hard on their craft? What craft is that? The hot tub/club/fast car craft?
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Did you hear that??? That was the plane going over your head……………
August 30th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
It’s an awesome year to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Later!
August 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
You have to be able to see yesterday’s game for what it really is through the eyes of the coaches…A Glorified Practice!
Therefore there isn’t a whole lot of creativity or balance in the offensive or defensive play calling. The goal is to see what the strengths and weaknesses of the team are.
There is no way we only run the ball 6 or 7 times in a game. Clearly, Cable wanted to see what our pass offense looked like. Asomugha wouldn’t have been victimized and penalized on 2 or 3 consecutive plays either like Routt was.
Obviously however, stopping the run, penalties, missed tackles, and dropped passes are an issue.
So if yesterday was a real game, we would obviously have lost. But the score would have been something like 31-17 rather than 45-7.
Cause for alarm, yes, but not cause to dump THE ENTIRE TEAM on its head.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
priesttj Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Good post HD37, Everybody is ready to blow up the team. lol over one loss in exhibition.
If we stay the course we’ll be fine. We got our ass’s kicked plain and simple………..it happens to the bst of them. NO isn’t quite that good and we aren’t nearly that bad but for one night it certainly looked that way.
^^^^^^^WTF does stay the course mean with this team though? If staying the course means playing the way they played against the Aints, then staying the course is suicidal.
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HAHAHHHHHAHAHHHAHAHA
or maybe he means “stay the course” as if we haven’t “stayed the course” over the last 7 years….
Hey, I am not complaining… There are teams that never won a SB… like the Bills and Chiefs, and it must really REALLY suck to be one of their fans, even IF the Chargers are a semi-successful team as of late..
But yea, stay the course don’t work at this point..
Because over the course of the last 6 years…. no team has put together a worse record… NO ONE…
And good luck trying to convince anybody that it is going to change with this ‘09 team.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
# Teabag Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Norco Bob is a obfuscator….
Raider fans do not hate Russell.. Some don’t like the pick.. All stand behind him…
Richochet: YOU LIE..BIG TIME. Tell you what..YOU pick ANY RAIDER BOARD..any one..and I’ll paste you links to threads from many Raider fans stating otherwise.
If you mean “every raider fan wants every raider player to do well”..fine..but that’s not the same as saying “every raider fan thinks/believes every raider player will do well.
Oh, and MANY DO DISPISE THE GUY..for his blase’ attitude..his worrying more about his bling than his waistline..him coming in to camp a fatass instead of lean and ready to perform..his refusal to even act like a leader.
See, unlike you, not every fan out there is a sheep. They don’t just go along with everything because someone told them that this is what “true fans” do.
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I have several friends who stand in the Black Hole, all of whom think Russell is going to be a fine QB.
Richochet: Well whoop dee do. Is that supposed to mean something? In every section some feel “he’ll be fine” In every section some think he sucks. In every section, some hate him.
All you’ve proven is that some of your friends have some of the worst seats in the house, and they’re slow.
Hey?? You guys play poker?
We should..uh..have a game…what say you?
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Jeff Garcia @ 40 is not a better QB… He is too jumpy, and hasn’t made any better throws than Jamarcus this preseason.. All he has done is try to win coaches over with his shouting and ebergetic play… The dude looks like he is in a Hamster Wheel playing QB…
Plus, Jeff Garcia has never won shit and his playoff record sucks. As soon as Garcia went up against any hardcore D in the playoffs his arm couldnt get him out of a jam…
Look at the 2002 season… right after that amazing comeback win against the Giants he couldnt do shit against the Tampa 2.. They spied him all game and made him use his arm and he threw 3 picks..
Jeff Garcia took a shit against the Saints in 2006 and again with Tampa in 2007 – throwing backbreaking picks in both playoff losses..
And to add the ONLY effective play in Jeff Garcias repetoire is the roll out… And any other conventional play drawn up BECOMES a roll out because all he does is jump around and leave the pocket anyway..
At this point he is just a jumpy 40 year old who misses his mark more than he hits it…
You cannot win with Jeff Garcia and starting him only sets this franchise back 5 more years..
Forget about Jeff Garcia starting, it wont happen.
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And you would be correct.
Question is, why did Al pick up Garcia in the first place?
oh, I know, I know. “he’s a vet” “he can step in”
Except WHY would you want him to step in?
How is it Al missed that?
Garcia has ALWAYS had happy feet. It’s what makes you first say ‘oh good, he didn’t get sacked” followed by “what the hell are you doing running around? Pocket didn’t break down. You missed wide open receivers”
And then..when those receivers are open, he was constantly off mark. Owens HATED playing with Garcia..refused to come back to the Niners if Garcia stayed. Rice HATED playing with Garcia.
Garcia gets receivers killed. Off target throws set up receivers for vicious hits.
So, why, Al? Why not let a qb step in that you’re developing? Why get a qb that SF, Cleveland, Detroit, Philly and TB all said “Oh man..that was a mistake”?
Garcia’s mantra will be “I’ll get you first downs”..only problem is they should have been touchdowns if he did his job
August 30th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Ricochet who’s your favorite football team?
August 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
# Kush Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
You have to be able to see yesterday’s game for what it really is through the eyes of the coaches…A Glorified Practice!
Therefore there isn’t a whole lot of creativity or balance in the offensive or defensive play calling. The goal is to see what the strengths and weaknesses of the team are.
There is no way we only run the ball 6 or 7 times in a game. Clearly, Cable wanted to see what our pass offense looked like. Asomugha wouldn’t have been victimized and penalized on 2 or 3 consecutive plays either like Routt was.
Obviously however, stopping the run, penalties, missed tackles, and dropped passes are an issue.
So if yesterday was a real game, we would obviously have lost. But the score would have been something like 31-17 rather than 45-7.
Cause for alarm, yes, but not cause to dump THE ENTIRE TEAM on its head.
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No, this was not a glorified practice… They game PLANNED around the Saints offense…
I don’t care if this shit was a scrimmage, a walk through…. or some dumb simulation…
IF that is the BEST you can do when you go into the game room, break down film and put together a PLAN to stop the Offense in which you practice all week simulating…
That is BAD…. no matter how you slice it…
And let’s remember something…. this is the EXACT same offense with a few VERY minor personnel tweaks that carved us to shreds last year.
So, they should be even more familiar with the way Brees runs his offense… And they let him bend us over..
Also, Brees was right when he said “It felt like we were in our set and they were still lining up”
You know why it felt like that??
Because that is EXACTLY what was HAPPENING!!!!
The Raiders showed no emotion, no sense of urgency… were not even LINED UP!! And then you ask why some many players were caught out of position?
Who coaches this team?
Who holds these players accountable??
Who CARES?
August 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Hey guys, have you ever heard of Head Coach GEORGE ALLEN?
He coached the Rams when Roman Gabriel was their QB. After a few years he ended up in Washington coaching the Redskins. Allen was a defensive guru, top of the line, who avoided “rookie” at all cost, valued experienced players and was known for trading all this future draft picks to obtain players NOW. He was a very successful coach.
Sorry for the long post. The point is…and I might be a little hazy, he was going up against a running team, may have been the Giants and he changed his defense to a 5-2
to stop the run. Same as a 3-4, except in the 5-2, you’re committing 5 men rushing. The NT is heads up with the center, the DT are in between the guards and tackles and the 2 defensive ends are covering the outside runs, first and foremost. The move tighten his defense and he was able to stop the run and win.
The 5-2 also put more pressure on the QB as there were always at least 5 guys rushing, in addition to a linebacker or two when he was blitzing. George Allen liked to blitz and put pressure on the QB. He believed pressure on the QB won games and they did.
We can’t stop the run with our 4 man rush and we can’t put pressure on the QB either. Maybe, Marshall, should take a page from the pass and try a 5-2? With our shut down corners, we could do it and put more pressure. Plus, when teams went up against us, they wouldn’t be as familiar, as all teams are currently familiar with the 3-4 and the 4-3.
Just a thought and I have many thoughts after Saturdays
dirty and ugly “beat-down” on us. At home too boot!
August 30th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
The 5-2, what the hell let’s give it a go!!! Can’t get much worse.
Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
They say Zapata said that when he was fighting the French in Mexico, not sure, but what a great line: “Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.” As you rightly say, things can’t get any worse defensively. Try something different, or get new d-linemen, other than Bryant…maybe Kelly???
August 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Never knew the source of the quote Cancun, but always liked what it meant. Thanks for the info!!
Bryant has a spark and should be in the rotation. Kelly plays well….sometimes. Warren should get consideration for being cut, he probably won’t, but I see no reason why his spot should be set in stone.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Richochet,
Every Raider is going to stand behind this dude come game time.. Yes, so in so many words what I meant to say was every fan wishes him to do well.. On the same token, all of the negative feedback regardidng Russell is misplaced anger that should be reserved for the way Al runs the team..
Russell inherited a pretty shitty situation.. But watching the preseason games, he has already shed a lot of the bad habits from last year.
Point #2 – I would expect such ignorant comments toward Black Hole season ticket holders only from a Niner fan… I guess you would be considered more “intelligent” if you came to a bay game with a nuthugging pair of cargos shorts with a botle of Port and some Brie in a wicker basket…. Because we all know whose team does THAT.
Point #3 – I agree 100% Al is the problem.. The veteran leadership argument sucks and never worked for this team. I said it about Lorenzo Neal as well. Many of the Raider fans on the site I frequent were upset about his release.. I, for one, did not care much about losing a one dimensional blocking back that is way over the hill… 40 @ such a physical position is not good.
And I feel the same with Garcia… Terribly overrated. Sprays the ball all over the place and really is more annoying to watch then any QB I have ever seen.
Why did they bring him in?
I don’t even think Al brought him in for his veteran leadership as his resume in the postseason is less than impressive.
I think he was brought in to light a fire under Jamarcus… And, in quiet fashion, Jamarcus has responded.
Russell is not locking down on his first option. And I say this because it is true.. Many confuse with hanging in the pocket and keeping your eyes downfield for locking on.. It’s just not the case. He is checking down when he has to instead of abandoning the progression.. And his accuracy has come full circle since the Dallas game..
I really have no complaints about him as of right now.
But we can both agree AL is a cancer.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
USC fans have to be impressed with Mark Sanchez. He had a great game against the the Giants and beat Eli Manning and company. He passed for 149 yards, went 13 for 20 with no interceptions.
USC is having a QB problem right now, a problem everyone would like to have…too many good quarterbacks. If Sanchez would have stayed another year, as coach Pete Carroll wanted him to do, the problems at QB would even be worse. All these potentially great QB’s unable to play, as they watched Sanchez from the sidelines, hoping he would get hurt. It’s cut throat with $$$ on the line.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Listen that game was marred by t/o’sand penalties killing any hope of competing. Every time we did anything at all it was wiped out. Giving the ball back to a hot QB. It seemed on every 1st down we got penalized.
I don’t want it to sound like I have a problem with the refs, but some of those penalties which made it very difficult on us were IMO lousy calls. Again I’m not blaming the refs but it made it hard for us to get any rythum offensively along with some physical problems of our own ie; sacks, dropped passes, fumbles and just legitimate bad execution.
The Saints as great as they played we played right into their hands it made everything even worse. Hopefully we’ll get better and execute plays much better and give the defense a chance. they had the ball over 40 mins. That’s damn near unheard of, again most our doing but very rare. So let’s just take this ass kicking and get better………..period
August 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
post 395 most excellent post and a great idea 4 us.We got the DB’s 2 make a 5-2 work,imo
August 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
I’m sorry post 395…395
August 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Post 401 –
Ok, TJ…. And now we are going to pretend that T.O’s and Penalties from this game were just a fluke???
I am beginning to think you are delusional.. Because this has plagues us for the last 6 years…. And gues what?
Before the Gruden era.. SAME STORY!!
And man, the Ref argument is so tired…
wow, I really can’t believe you just took that awful stab in the dark…
August 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Teabag, It’s my opinion. If you don’t like it don’t read it. And write your own……….OK pumpkin.
No excuses we got our ass handed to us. Point taken but I also saw the game and have my own opinion.
Thank you.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
the chiefs beat the vikings in S/B 4
August 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
BTW, I would play Dez Bryant at LDE and move Ellis blindside. Bryant is just a diamond in the rough, this kid could be something really special.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Priest,
Ever stop to think, just for a second, that this team is just flat not good? I mean seriously, how much evidence does a guy need. You can try and spin it however you want. They were flat outclassed in every respect on Saturday. If you cant see that then your out your damn mind.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
TJ,…is Mike Taylor in the room with you right now?
August 30th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Good news is roster cuts are comming for Pitt,Ravens,Giants….They are deep at LB’s and DT….so we could pick up someone who knows how to tackle. Also what’s up with Scott getting so much time and sucking arse, they should try Richardson on the at DE or put Bryant at DE since he has a great first step, at least he could turn the run inside…
August 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
408RAIDER Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
hey Tazz
prepare 2 be dominated in FF…
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408,
haha we’ll see 408.
can’t wait for the draft though.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
On the Beach in Cancun:
Can I join you?
According to Hemingway the quote:
“It is better to die standing than to live on your knees” belongs to Dolores lBarruri in the Spanish Civil War although she was paraphrasing Zapata who died in 1919.
Zapata actually said: “It is better to die standing than to live a century on your knees”.
Zapata is also quoted as saying the Raiders really sucked in the NO game.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I re-watched almost half the game. The 3rd NO drive is when the defense really started to fall apart.
A lack of pass rush was killing the Defense. Particularly inside pass rush. Warren did nada this game – nada. TKelly was continuously doubled, even took on 3 bodies at times. Warren did nada. TScott did nada – (almost all preseason may I add). All that weight must have slowed him down a good deal because he’s barely getting to the QB now. He played the run better this game – still a liability vs run though. You can see it when NO run blocks – the left side of the D barely budges while the right side is giving way.
The penalties (some ticky-tacky) were just killing the offense each time something good happened. The turnovers were killing them too.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
AP sport sis saying that Matt Cassel’s injury is worse than Brady’s but no one knows what it is.
Just that he had to leave the game and never came back.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Check it out…
Rackoshyt says…
“Cut and Paste! Cut and Paste! My Name is Richochet!
Cut and Paste! Cut and Paste! My mom says I am gay!”
“I love to come to this here board where the men are big and strong!”
I post some really stupid stuff and get slapped here all day long.”
“For I love Michael Crabtree! He’s my favorite 49′er.
He whipped me with his penis once and gave me a lovley shiner.”
“Been so long since have I’ve seen him. My dreams they are a crashin’.
He’s got the greatest football skills but I really miss his fashion.”
“I’m hoping that The Raider Fans will help me grow a sack.
And hoping Mr. Crabtree will help me paint it Silver & Black…”
August 30th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
No more trolls,
You are freakn HILL AIR EEEE US!!
August 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I correct myself. I have to since I’m divorced.
Cassel has a leg injury that isn’t that serious or at least the x-rays were negative Saturday.
On the other hand he hasn’t played that well in pre-season.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Oh yeah, and Alston was a ghost for the 2Qs I re-watched. Put Brown there at least. Brown/Morrison/Howard should start.
The team is in dire need of a RDE, a SLB, and a DT to compliment Kelly in that order. Warren is more than serviceable but he really disappears as a non-factor sometimes. And he often struggles against a double team. I’ve seen this numerous times in the past.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Thanks. Don’t mind debating the finer points with fans from other teams as long as they say what team they pull for… In other words, I can crticize my own family all I want but I won’t take it from an outsider. Will always defend. Just the way it is.. I won’t even read his posts so what ever they say is just a waste of time.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The offense will be OK and we will be competitive against second tier teams. Since we are in a weak division I can see seven wins.
Preseason or not the Dline is horrendous.
They will look respectable against the Donkeys or Bungles but will get pummeled by good Olines.
The pattern has gone on too long.
I really can see Richardson, Scott, Warren and Sands get cut.
We are better of with Giant or Ravens cast offs who might be hungry than most of what we have now.
Complete lack of pride and ability. Sands and Warren make $8mill/year between the two of them!!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
How can you defend the indefensible? The Raiders suck. Thats not debateable.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
people get 2 hung up on what these guys wear as if that stops them from playing well. 2many on gere act like women bitchin about bling and all. the problem is we dont have enuff talent. 6 years of losing does proves that. there some guys who have no business playing but they are. until they get replaced this what u will get. we replaced alot but not all the dead weight on offense now we need to to do it on defense.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
No WAY the Raiders win 7 games. No freakn WAY! They are no better than last year and its almost a 100% certainty the Chargers will just light them up like a holiday tree.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Florida Pete Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 8:46 am
discipline falls apart once you start getting stomped…
that statement is true for virtually every sport and military event…
it’s only the very best, smartest and disciplined players/troops who can survive a beating… and possibly come back to win…
so part of it is discipline…
and another part of it is talent…
i think we are woefully short in the talent department…
getting Barnes back should go a long way to curing the O-line… where is Wade??? is he hurt??? if not, he needs to play… Satelle does not have it…
here’s the draft picks i had in January…
B.J. Raji, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT Green Bay
Ron Brace, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT NE Patriots
Augustus Parrish, Kent State, OT (released by the Saints) (I think I changed this pick before draft day)
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina, MLB, backs up EJ Harrington
Derek Walker, Illinois, DE (released by Redskins)
Dallas Reynolds, BYU, C/G free agent signed w/Eagles, 3rd team C/G
Reynolds will be available on wednesday…
looking at Derek Walker can’t hurt… he’s good against the run…
and… looking at Parrish can’t hurt…
August 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I’ll wait untill opening day to determine if we suck or not thank you. Been watching this team a long long time and have learned not to put too much stock in preseason. we won all our preseason games under art shell and what did that mean? nada. zilch.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Terrapin on DMC’s sweep right the ref on the other side of the field called hlding on ZMiller when the ref playside didn’t even see it. Just wiped out a 20 yard gain giving us 1st and 20. We couldn’t get anything going without something going wrong. Now I’m not saying the refs were out to get us. I’m saying we had huge plays just wiped out with penalties drops and fumbles. If half those plays stand up this might be a different game. The sacks were also a big problem but when you’re down 21 – 0 pass protection is very difficult. NO is just too good offensively when you can’t occupy the ball at all your defense will get whipped. Wec wuld get 2 huge plays and then BAM a t/o some self inflicted. And DMC’s fumble just compiled everything at the worst time.
Hell it was like putting a bulleye on our own forehead and handing Brees the gun at gunpoint.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
# No More Infield or Trolls Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Thanks. Don’t mind debating the finer points with fans from other teams as long as they say what team they pull for… In other words, I can crticize my own family all I want but I won’t take it from an outsider. Will always defend. Just the way it is.. I won’t even read his posts so what ever they say is just a waste of time.
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First off, Dweeb, you couldn’t discuss the finer points of putting on your shoes, much less football.
Oh that’s right.
You tried. Once. And I sent your ass begging for help.
Then you stated “I’m a coward. Anyone else care to be a coward?? I need company.” Dude, you started pleading for someone to ‘coward up’.
Now? Look at you..400 plus posts on this thread..AND THE ONLY COMMENT YOU HAVE IS TO ME..or about me.
The Cowardly Lion syndrome..yeah, bitch, you just copped to it with your “I won’t even read his posts”, lol..
If not for me, you would have nothing to say..
Oh..that’s right.. you still don’t.
Back to the shadows, cowardly worm.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Priest,
You are the best excuse maker I have seen in all my years. You literally have an excuse for everything.
No more trolls,
The final score of pre-season games mean nothing. How the team is prepared and how they play means a lil short of everything. I dont need to wait till the reg season to see this team is garbage. I prefer no to ignore simple facts.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Teabag, It’s my opinion. If you don’t like it don’t read it. And write your own……….OK pumpkin.
No excuses we got our ass handed to us. Point taken but I also saw the game and have my own opinion.
Thank you.
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You are absolutely right… You have a right to state your opinion…
And I have the right to call you a douchebag because your opinion sucks.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
His opinion not only sux, its 100% wrong 100% of the time.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
and Florida Pete…. Ron Brace is not a 1st team DT with the Patriots.. Vince Wilfork is the starting NT and the Pats run a 34.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
ooops…
but i would be happy to take him off their hands…
August 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Also Florida Pete, Derek Walker is playing for the Seahwaks..He is not a free agent.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Personally, I think Ron Brace is a slow and waddling bag of shit in the DL… That being said, he could be an upgrade to this DL and that is sad…. I wish Derek Walker was a FA, he looks like he is going to be a stout run defender for the Hawks…
August 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
hey, did you notice that i picked 2 DT’s…
a MLB, a DE…
a center, and an OT…
now… what has everyone been bitching about for the past 3 weeks…
um… besides rack-o-schit…
August 30th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
# armond Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
people get 2 hung up on what these guys wear as if that stops them from playing well. 2many on gere act like women bitchin about bling and all. the problem is we dont have enuff talent. 6 years of losing does proves that. there some guys who have no business playing but they are. until they get replaced this what u will get. we replaced alot but not all the dead weight on offense now we need to to do it on defense.
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Of course bling doesn’t equate to performance. What it does do is show frame of mind.
Russell gets massive bucks.
First thing he does is buy a floor length mink coat, and gains weight. Work out? hell no. Party? Like no tomorrow.
Shows up at training camp the following year “out of shape” as he put it. Played the year the same way.
This past offseason? Shows up at parties with $100,000 diamond encrusted “jersey” hanging around his neck, with another 50,000 of “bling” on his wrists, while his gut is bulging over his pants.
Shows up AGAIN out of shape, and again, admits it.
But yeah, right, has nothing to do with performance..just in where some’s priorities are.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Terrapin saying Warren gets pushed back on doubles is like saying an OG can block two DT’s. Very few can do that.
Here’s what I don’t get, EVERYBODY in here was saying Warren sucks because he doesn’t draw doubles. Now everyone is saying he sucks because he draws doubles and gets pushed back. My point is there are very few DT’s that can take on doubles and NOT get pushed back.
What exactly are people expecting from this guy, if he draws doubles he’s DONE HIS JOB…………….period The other Dlineman and LB’s have to make the play………………period
I can’t understand for the life of me what the hell everybody expects from this guy. NO he’s not Haynesworth but who else is.
As soon as you guy’s find another McGlockton let me know, but don’t bring me freakin’ BJ Raji and expect me to get excited. GIVE ME A FREAKIN” BREAK…….BJ RAJI get outta here!!!
Warren will never remind me of Reggie White but there aren’t too many DT’s a whole lot better. Just look around the dam,n league and watch these guy’s play and show me a DT that doesn’t get moved on doubles.
BJ Raji must be a damn fool!!
August 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
yeah, seahawks signed derek walker a month ago…
can’t believe i wasn’t notified…
didn’t see it… only saw that he was cut a couple days earlier by Philly…
okay, then… anything else i missed???
August 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
We have another McGlockton… His namne is Terdell Sands….
August 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
oh, no, teabag…
not even close…
McGlockton was a very good DT for us…
for 4 out of the 6 years he was with us… he went to the pro-bowl…
sands has gone to the toilet bowl…
August 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Post 437…
So TJ…. Gerard Warren doesn’t remind you of Reggie White…. (Which I don;t see why he would because Reggie White was a DE) AND… You are saying there aren’t to many DT’s that are better????
lol…
I can name you about 8 off the top of my head…
Haynesworth
Justin Tuck
Vince Wilfork
Marcus Stroud
Tommie Harris
Corey Williams
Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Darnell Dockett
Jamal Williams
Casey Hampton
Jay Ratliff
Shaun Rogers
Oh, Im sorry… that was only 13
August 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
oh, no, teabag…
not even close…
McGlockton was a very good DT for us…
for 4 out of the 6 years he was with us… he went to the pro-bowl…
sands has gone to the toilet bowl…
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Exactly my point… even when McGlockton was in his prime he took plays off…
In fact, the two amazing years we had from Darrell Russell were much more dominant years at the DT position then McGlocktons 4
August 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
A OG and a OC can push back an armored car and you guy’s want Warren to hold ground on two men well over 300 lbs. are you guy’s NUTS??
August 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
why god why?
August 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
uh, yeah, sure… okay… that must have been what you meant when you said that thing that you said about well you know…
August 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
They both played together if things had gone right. That would’ve been the most dominant DT tandem we’ve ever had. But you guy’s have got to get a grip on this Warren sucks crap. The guy does his job, no he’s not dominant but to say stupid crap like he sucks is both immature and ignorant.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
uh, yeah, sure… okay… that must have been what you meant when you said that thing that you said about well you know…
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no, unfortunately, I don’t…
and McGlockton was not very good.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
i say he blows !!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
They both played together if things had gone right. That would’ve been the most dominant DT tandem we’ve ever had. But you guy’s have got to get a grip on this Warren sucks crap. The guy does his job, no he’s not dominant but to say stupid crap like he sucks is both immature and ignorant.
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They did play together… and Russell was the reason they let McGlockton walk…
Nobody is saying Warren sucks… He is just not good… He is OK… There is a reason he is on his 3rd team in 8 years
August 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
trevor Scott is not a run stopping DE….I would rather have Bryant there or even Richardson on running downs.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Just like that point on top of your head you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Pointed head.
Justin Tuck better than Warren, yeah there’s a guy that’ll hold the point……….freakin idiot.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
What’s up nation? Hope everyone is recovering well after yesterday.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Just like that point on top of your head you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Pointed head.
Justin Tuck better than Warren, yeah there’s a guy that’ll hold the point……….freakin idiot.
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Read about the defense the Giants run and you will then realize that holding a point is not a priority in the scheme…
And holding the point is ONE facet of a DT’s game.. Tuck has dimensions that Warren does not have… Giants have 4 linemen that can drop back. Try doing that with Warren.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
You know I could almost excuse it if some of you weren’t so freakin’ arrogant about it. like you actually know what the hell you’re talking about.
Half the guy’s this dumbell named don’t play Warren position. and he has the nerve to remind me that White was a DE. The position Warren plays is 1technigue and the coaches obviously think he’s good at it. While Kelly plays the 3 This preseason they’ve been a little inconsistent as a tandem but our run defense is struggling for many reasons other than those two.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Here is a Depth roster of our DLINE…
Who should go?
DE—Jay Richardson,Greg Ellis,Derrick Gray,Matt Shaughnessy,Greyson Gunheim,Trevor Scott
DT–Tommy Kelly,William Joseph,Ryan Boschetti,Joe Cohen
Gerard Warren,Terdell Sands,Desmond Bryant.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
LOL … oh this is grand… I am being called an idiot… Because of my pretty painfully obvious stated truth that Justin Tuck is better than Gerard Warren….
Well… let’s consider this… Justin Tuck is the man who made Michael Strahan forgettable… In the same breath, he is ALSO a guy who is used interchangeably at DE/DT.. And plays it seamlessly..
This is a concept that the Raiders have tried and FAILED almost .ummmmmmmmmmm… 1000 times…. Look no further than Tommy Kelly.. hahahahhah
he is the most recent…
then we have to go WAYYYYYYYY back to 2007 to see it tried to be done with Tyler Brayton….
hahahahahah
then we have to go SOOOOOO FAR back to 2006 to see it tried with…….. Warren Sapp….
Yea, AL sure got the recipe down pack… TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER TJ!!!!!!!
lmfao…. you are such a tool and a foolish old man…. You need to retire and just be happy you can watch some guys bust their heads in on Sunday for your viewing pleasure at your advanced age.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Bryant needs to be a defensive end. We need to stop the rush.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Teabag, you are clueless……period that’s exactly what I’m talking about. This fool doesn’t even know that Warren drops in the zoneblitz occasionally.
Do you know why? this idiot doesn’t even know that we zoneblitz. Just like most in here…running their freakin’ mouths without a freakin’ clue.
I’m upset and tired and hate this site
So I better say Adios!
Just believe this most don’t have a clue what they are talking about they’re just in here to piss and moan……………..period
August 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
NEWS FLASH FOR TJ — WARREN HAS PLAYED 1 – 3 technique in both Cleveland AND Denver…
there is only ONE reason why Warren is playing the 1-technique in Oakland and thats because Al PAID TOMMY KELLY 50 MILLION (!!!!!!) to pay the 3 tech…
So this continue to be the scenario until his contract expires because we all know how Al hangs on to his mistakes until the last shred of hope is gone and the man has to eat yet another horrible transaction that further runs his team into the ground….
John Bowie anybody???? Anybody care to guess why he is still on this team?? lolololol..
I bet it has NOTHING to do with the Randy Moss pick huh?
August 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
We have won with guys like Kinlaw, Rowe and Coleman at DT.
You do not have to be a superstar but you do have to show up.
Warren was deemed expendable by the Browns and the Broncos.
Sands was undrafted and waived by the Chefs.
Those two guys represent $8 mil a year in salary.
Then Mr Davis listens to blowhard Sapp and overpays for Kelly.
Now that Burgess is gone DT is the last spot where we are grossly over paying for very little production.
Kelly will get this year and then we will do what we did with Walker or cut him. Sands and Warren have got to go. We are better off with hungry castoffs than over paid ones.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Anybody know if that nightmare from yesterdy is going to be replayed today
August 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Priest – On that sweep right with DMC, Miller never held …he couldn’t even grab his man! He and Murphy missed their blocks. Murphy was the closest to holding but even that was very suspect as it didn’t even stop the defenders momentum. He tugged “a lil” jersey as I recall. I think the ref was calling it on him just by the way Murphy moved on the play …that’s probably why he got the call …and mistakenly called Millers #. But the defender had no chance of touching DMC.
Its hard to see on TV but if you replay it and locate Miller – he’s right next to Murphy on the block – and you see both of them missed the blocks and the hold call was not really a hold at all.
And one of the calls on Routt was complete BS. Routt got the call b/c he never turned; but he didn’t even touch the guy till the ball arrived …and I mean it was barely even a touch!
Now the offense had there fair share of problems; but the defense just was worst. They caused the overwhelming part of their own misery. The offense lent a small but noticeable hand.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Priest #437 I understand that there aren’t many DTs in the league that are as good as Warren. That’s why I say he’s ‘very’ serviceable. My problem with Warren is that he doesn’t bring it all the time it seems like. He just disappears sometimes – non factor in games.
They need someone more consistent and makes plays damn near every game. That won’t come around easily so Warren will have to do.
And I question if he truly should be playing over Center or in Kelly’s position? But I’m on the couch for a reason I suppose.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Kelly is much more stout the Warren and can handle the double much better. Sometimes when Warren gets doubled he’s on skates. (Still that brings into question the LBs ..if Warren’s getting doubled and the RB is running in that lane where’s the LBs?).
August 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
459. “we all know how Al hangs on to his mistakes until the last shred of hope is gone”
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DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson, Randy Moss, ect ect. Shouldn’t you be “tea bagging” somebody?
August 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
464. Exactly. LBs are constantly out of position, taking bad angles and biting on play fakes.
Need to fill fools!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
T’pin I agree with everyone of the penalties you delineated. Warren is what he is, no one is saying he’s a great player because he’s not. But this sucks crap is crazy. This defense will rise and fall based on Kelly’s play inside Warren is doing what the coaches want. Now if we can get this kid Bryant going fpor real. Then we may really have something. I’m not at all as upset about this NO game as most because of what I saw. We have the talent to play the run we just have to do it………………period.
They need to play the right groups though.
Adios!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Raider may do it in the regular season, but man, they needed to blitz Brees more.
He sat back and picked the, apart. You’re already getting toasted, might as well bring the frikkin heat.
Oh well, lotta hopefuls and scrubs populating the field on D yesterday in case anyone noticed or watched the game. Still, what a mess…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
August 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Preist j you still on here?
August 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
At $5 mil a year Warren better show up and handle double teams.
He is an overpaid cast off. We are better with hungry cast offs until we can actually draft some lineman in the first and second round of the draft.
How many ass kickings do you guys need to see?
Sands is gone and do not be surprised if Warren is as well.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
As much as I hate Putzhead, I hope he lights the Mules up. Game is about to start. They just showed some gal wearing a diaper, a cutler jersey, a pacifier and a bonnet.
She looked good too, but I am almost blind in one eye and I cant see out of then other.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Nnamdi21, we blitzed Brees and he killed us. Blitzing a QB as smart as Brees is a scary proposition for any DC. He’s just tooo smart reading it and hitting the right target on the money. He is a brilliant field general. When you face that guy you have to get a little lucky but you’re much better off if you can pressure him with your front4 especially in his face and we couldn’t. So you take your whippin’ and move on………..simple as that.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
You guys are missing the point about the Linebackers.
Ray Lewis threatened to retire if the Ravems did not fix their DT problem and they drafted Ngata in round one.
Morrison is our leading tackler last year and fans still think he is a prime reason our run defense stinks.
Run defense and a pass rush all start with the Dline.
The Giants bring pressure with four. A blitz turns it into a jail break.
If we blitz a guy like Brees he would still be throwing TDs today. The blitz is only a wrinkle. It can not be the only way you can pressure the QB.
Sadly with the Raiders our Dline under performs and is overpaid.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
He was killing us anyways Priest. I’d at least like to have crushed his ass a few times!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Priest
Looks like you read my mind.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
473. Blitz works like hell for Philly and “Blitzburgh” though doesn’t it?
Agreed. Our guys are under performers plain and simple. That comes from coaching and the man up stairs. Win your battles or fuk off. Terdell…
August 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Clady looks huge and cuts block like a big dog.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
no desire
August 30th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Nam
Read what I said.
The blitz works in other places because they can pressure with only their front four.
When we do it we have a higher probability of getting picked up in max protect.
Our Dline stinks.
Why do you think LT has so many all purpose yards against the Raiders?
August 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Denver clearly better then theraiders,..so raiders and kc battle for 4th place,..Im betting kc takes 3rd place.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
As if LT wasn’t enough, now we got Darren Sproles to worry about as well.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
kush you worried bout san diego?…forget it, that games already over.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
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August 30th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
station,…f-u,..asking for articles from these numb shulls?…how desperate.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
WOW we looked horrilbe thtas an understaement……
At least there is a sivler linning two live FFL DRAFTS tonight for the nation members!!!! One is in a half an hour!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Nnamdi, we needed to keep the ball away from him and we couldn’t and we couldn’t score. Sure we could’ve hit him a few times. In fact I like your idea to smack him around a bit. But we needed to occupy the ball and win time of possesion we couldn’t do crap. We just gave it back to him over and over again. To blitz on top of that would’ve been a track meet.
But yeah Nnamdi I like your idea.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
LMAO!
No worries Norco, I’m sure they weren’t refering to YOU!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
raidernationstation,..heres my article for you to publish… RUSSELL SUCKS. Thats it,..feel free to publish it.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
This team lacks the desire to win
August 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
FFL DRAFT STARTS IN 10 MINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
buttholes with no life have a reason to live in 10 minutes!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Norco,
12 of 18.
What games have you been watching? Russell looks like he’s improving.
In fact he’d have been 15 of 18 if not for bone head plays by Louis Murphy you dolt!
Ps
How can a K-unt like Noroc get thru and post when I keep getting “Slow down!” Fuk U word press.
JERRY!!!!
Tell the o fix this fukin site!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
That’s not true Bob you have had a reason to live all day today and you are clearly the biggest butthole with no life in here.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Hey bob whats the happs bro chill man I would rather have a reason to watchfootball if we gonna lose 45 to 7 every other week besides I wouls be willing to bet money I spend less time winning a FFL Champ then you do on this blog!!!!
5 MINS!!!!!!!!
P.S. Bob would have played but dial up dsnt work for the live draft……
August 30th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Glad I turned the game off midway thru 2nd, qtr. Saw all I needed to by then.
PATHETIC…Is the only the only word that comes to mind..
August 30th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
489. No sh-it. How fukin embarassing for us the fans. You’d think they’d man up, but noooo! They’ll just sit ontheir fukin azzes and “collect the check!” as fat azz Warren Sapp used to say…
Sickening. Fuk U Raiders. Get fired the fuk UP!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
oaklifer you have dial up?…lol…sucks to be you…loser.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
lol……P.S. ….
HE(BOB) would have played but dial up dsnt work for the live draft……
August 30th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
think i had dial up, ten years ago…lifer you should try high speed, dsl,..get an air card like me…then you and your draft league can have a great time.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
the raiders should try high speed, speed this year up and get it over with…because they suck, like oaklifer.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Narcotics Bob,
How was you & Briens Tailgate yesterday?
August 30th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
sorry priest but justin tuck is better than warren. id take him all day over 61. its true that the lbs arent doing their job. if kelly is getting doubled and warren is 2 then where the hell is the lbs 2 attack these ball carriers? its a team wide problem but the dline is the biggest part of it. u dont see us push the lines back enuff but the pass rushing is more concerning. this is supposed to be a better rush unit and they were useless.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
we cant keep asking these guys to change their attitude we need to change them. the environment is bad cuz weve got some guys who dont need to be here. u get some fresh motivatted guys to perform here and youll see a better effort.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
The tailgate was awesome,..one of our best ever.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Priest’s only job is making excuses for Al Davis. Those are Al Davis’ overpaid DT’s, and you’ll never get Priest to say anything bad about them.
Does anyone think it odd, that Narcotics Bob, can post as many times, as fast as he wants? humm.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Awesome tailgate, huh? I only saw about 100-200 at the game. lol
August 30th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Hey…is this fukin POS site fixed yet?
August 30th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Since
our coach is the next Madden,
our owner is the best ever,
our DTs dominate people and are always double teamed,
our offense is IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP,
our front seven is soooo great,
why is it we get blown out 45-7 at home in the most important preseason game of 09?
August 30th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Michael Bush’s big start. 1 carry.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
We need some change in this organization…some discipline. Al’s BS about letting the players run the ship and do what they want almost without repercussions just can’t go on…right Greg Ellis…name those players that were out all night before the game…let the fans show their appreciation for the drunk dumbfukers who wasted the fan’s time and, to some, their money as well watching that POS effort on Saturday.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
You guys may not like my opinion but at least I feel vindicated for my ability to see through the B.S.
I posted this at 12:57 p.m. (BEFORE the Game started):
“Did it ever occur to anyone that the reason we had a sanguine, propitious and encouraging offensive showing at close of camp is because we have the same pathetic defense!? Is it any wonder that McFadden was deemed “The Top Offensive Player”. Aren’t all running backs “Top Offensive Players” against this run defense? Year in and year out, we turn out running backs, guys who were unknowns become “well-knowns” because of the spectacular numbers they leave a Raiders game with. Our MAJOR problem is OUR RUN DEFENSE. New Orleans is going to run right at our weakness. But don’t be surprised if the initial dissection of this defense is via AIR. If there were Sea, they would beat us by land, sea and air. Route sucks and I hope he is not the starter. I would not lose any sleep, or even blink if he got cut. Huff is weak. Had one good catch. bfd! Al Davis should have some big tax write-offs for charitable contributions (See Turd Sands, Fargus (this year), M. Huff, S. Route, Tui-imsostupid etc…) Not only do they have a spectacular passing game but the Saints have a great run game. On defense they have real studs all over the place. Plan on cringing several times during this game. Note time of this entry. Final score: 31-10 N.O.”
Apparently, even I under-estimated the ineptitude of this organization! I think it is fair to say that the Raiders are the WEAKEST team in the NFL. Even Detroit is arising from the ashes to surpass this team! The Raiders are an embarrassment to the NFL. I would not blame the NFL if they exercised their “flex schedule” option and pulled the opening MNF massacre and replaced it with a re-run of “Leave it to Beaver.” Please Lord, lift the plague off this city! The Raiders suck, the A’s suck, the Warriors suck and even this blog sucks – this blog has retrogressed! Trying to post back to back statements on this blog is about as easy as the Raiders picking up a first down. What a freaking Mess!! The owner is an aimless, senile old bastard, suffering from a combination of, Alzheimer and arrested development -stuck in the 80’s. He doesn’t even know he doesn’t have to be an affirmative action maverick anymore. The head coach is a felon. Leading by example. Football players slowly mill around, during the game, like extras from The Night of the Living Dead – due to lack of leadership. We have “Baby Huey” as a QB, who has butterfingers because that is what he does all day-eat Butterfingers. I do not care how politically incorrect you think I sound, there is NO HOPE for this TEAM! Go to Hell, Al! Oh yeh, in light of yesterdays atrocity I am down grading my generous prediction from 2-6 to 0-8, to open the first have of the season.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Did anybody notice the halftime show on the Raider broadcast?
All about the greatness of Al Davis. Pathetic
Nobody’s got anything invested in the Raider enterprise but Al Davis.
Not the Coaches or Players. It’s all about HIM, everybody else is just collecting a paycheck. Why shouldn’t they? He calls all the shots, nobody else has any input.
Then he does a halftime show about himself. Fuk all the great players they’ve had.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Until Al butts out, hires a real GM and a coach that is legit, this team is gonna struggle…the maverick ways of the past just don’t work anymore…
August 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Sports Business Daily commissioned the Wharton School of Business to survey NFL Players.
Players say the Oakland Raiders are the worst organization in the NFL.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/125013
August 30th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
The offense will be dynamic – hiccups here and there – but you’ve seen glimpses of what they will become. In each preseason game for moments or drives they really looked unstoppable.
The defense on the other hand has looked suspect in every preseason game. That’s what you should also expect heading into the season.
There will be no major changes to the defensive line. Its too late – 2 weeks before the opener. Any major changes to the line will have to wait until next year. The highest probability for change is JRich replacing TScott at 1st, 2nd down RDE. And I don’t see that happening anytime soon simply because they still haven’t done it despite Scott’s poor performance.
Regarding the LBs: I would expect Brown to replace Alston who has been just as bad if not worse than TScott. This will happen before the season starts.
To start the season this is what you will see:
LBs: Brown/Morrison/Howard
DLs: Scott/Warren/Kelly/Ellis
August 30th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
.sirblitz——— nice call on the NO offense blowing us up but in all honesty it hardly took a Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi to get that one right, let alone Jimmy the Greek.
But when you make statements such as this you lose any credibility you may have garnered.
“Even Detroit is arising from the ashes to surpass this team!”
hahaha they went 16 – 0 last year
Even we have not reached that low in the hole digging contest.
You will have to change your name to sir bullshitzalot if you keep that nonsense up.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Kelly or Bryant should be moved to RDE and that is it!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
459. “we all know how Al hangs on to his mistakes until the last shred of hope is gone”
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DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson, Randy Moss, ect ect. Shouldn’t you be “tea bagging” somebody?
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Gibril Wilson was the only guy who could tackle on the team… GREAT move by AL…
Randy Moss scored 23 TD’s the season he was let go (mmm mm… yea, thats some real good cancer!!! – WE NEED HIM OUT OF OUR LOCKER ROOM)
DeAngelo Hall had to go and that was the best move AL has done in 8 years…
Why is Tommy Kelly still here?
Why is Sands still here?
Why is John Bowie still here?
Why is Justin Fargas still here?
Nnamdi21 , I am STILL waiting for you to tell me who a Center loses “contain”….
August 30th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Raider may do it in the regular season, but man, they needed to blitz Brees more.
He sat back and picked the, apart. You’re already getting toasted, might as well bring the frikkin heat.
Oh well, lotta hopefuls and scrubs populating the field on D yesterday in case anyone noticed or watched the game. Still, what a mess…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
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Fact #327 that Nnamdi21 knows NOTHING about football…
How do you blitz a team who has roughly 50% of their plays drawn up in an empty set????
August 30th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Terrapin,
You must be out your damn mind! The offense is dynamic?LOL! Unstoppable? LMFAO! When was this? In your lil dreams or something?
August 30th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Listen up Raiderettes.
Trevor Scott, Jon Alston, Sam Williams, William Jospeh ec fukin cetera are NOT our starters and hell yes they got run the fuk over. I know we’ve sucked azz against the run, I know this.
I also know the vast majority of those long gainers come when some of these scrubs are in , like on SATURDAY and last year, BUT the major problem with this team is the OFFENSE!
CANNOT get its azz into the end zone!!!
That better change this season or our defense will suck again. Know why? ITS BUILT TO STOP THE PASS…
Makes sense if our offense is out scoring the opponent but we have been awful beyond awful on OFFENSE lo’ these lean years me ladies…
August 30th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
# Charlie Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
You guys are missing the point about the Linebackers.
Ray Lewis threatened to retire if the Ravems did not fix their DT problem and they drafted Ngata in round one.
Morrison is our leading tackler last year and fans still think he is a prime reason our run defense stinks.
Run defense and a pass rush all start with the Dline.
The Giants bring pressure with four. A blitz turns it into a jail break.
If we blitz a guy like Brees he would still be throwing TDs today. The blitz is only a wrinkle. It can not be the only way you can pressure the QB.
Sadly with the Raiders our Dline under performs and is overpaid.
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Agree for the most part….
Blockers get out to the second level on this defense a lot… And if a lineman gets his hooks into any LB in the second level it is usually over… I have seen Kirk get manhandled out of many plays.. often.
However, I have also seen Kirk take horrible angles in pursuit. He doesn’t wrap up well and he can’t step up and fill at MLB… I don;t see anything from Kirk that makes me think he would be any better with a stud DT in front of him. He would be serviceable, but nothing spectacular.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
hellooooooo Numbnuts21… Trevor Scott IS our starting RDE…. numbnuts
August 30th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Trevor scott should be in on passing downs…i would rather try Bryant at DE because his first step if fast…how do you think he got that sack on Brees…Dre Brees was only sacked 13 times all of last year…
August 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
The one thing that really stands out to me about that game, was the fact that we used a lot of zone coverages. A team should not play a lot of zone against an accurate qb like brees. The last time I saw this much zone from the Raiders, it was against denver on opening night last year, with the same result.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I wonder if this was Cable’s ‘plan’ since brees ripped our man coverage last year?
August 30th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
I dont understand why we played so much zone… I understand that you have to in certain formations, but, this team clearly doesn’t have a comfort level with zone.
Our LB’s with the exception of Howard do not stay home in zone and we always get burned. TE’s have usually made us pay dearly in zone D. Alston has no business on the strong side and we need to address the position. This is one facet of the game where I actually don’t mind Kirk , is in zone, he has a good feel for it.
But this is a man coverage team and they really need to get away from so many zone packages. I wish they would use zone schemes to mask blitz and fake blitzes. Philly does this with great success.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Did anybody notice the halftime show on the Raider broadcast?
All about the greatness of Al Davis. Pathetic
Nobody’s got anything invested in the Raider enterprise but Al Davis.
Not the Coaches or Players. It’s all about HIM, everybody else is just collecting a paycheck. Why shouldn’t they? He calls all the shots, nobody else has any input.
Then he does a halftime show about himself. Fuk all the great players they’ve had.
^^^^^^^Yeah, I can’t stand the amount of a$$ kissing that is done on Al Davis. Instead of talking about legitimate problems with the team and organization. It turns into a suck up fest? Ridiculous….
August 31st, 2009 at 4:28 am
Did anyone else notice that there was NO pressure on the Qb, if this was played as a real game, the Saints would of put up tripple numbers. We were slapped silly and the Saints were gentlemen in not running up the score. There is no Marshall Plan, pass the bottle…
September 7th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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