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Postgame wrap

News and notes from the Raiders’ 45-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints Saturday at the Coliseum:

– Tom Cable said the Raiders didn’t have any zip, Jon Alston said there was a lack of enthusiasm and the stats said the Raiders barely showed up at all.

New Orleans had 31 first downs (14 rushing, 14 passing, three by penalty), the Raiders had 9.

New Orleans had 536 yards of total offense (304 passing, 232 rushign) and the Raiders had 289 (237 passing, 52 rushing).

New Orleans was 8-for-16 on third down conversions, the Raiders were 1-for-10.

New Orleans was 4-for-4 on fourth down conversions, the Raiders were 1-for-3.

New Orleans ran 83 plays and had the ball for 39:27, the Raiders had it for 47 snaps and 20:33.

– The official attendance (tickets sold) was 32,585. The amount of people who actually showed up was considerably less, and many were booing after the Saints scored on the second of their three effortless drives to open the game.

– Repeat to yourself, “It was only a preseason game.” Otherwise, the game had the distinct aroma of some of the Raiders worst home field performances of recent years. At least that’s what it says in my Web exclusive column.

– Game circumstance would have made it difficult for the Raiders to run, but Cable indicated the plan was to pass anyway. He is determined to upgrade the passing attack, and it appears to have worked to some extent.

The quesiton whether they can suddenly revert to being an upper eschelon running team after working so hard on passing during pracitce and preseason games. Cable said the Raiders are doing enough in their running periods in practice to stay sharp for Week 1 of the regular season.

“I stated numerous times we really need to get this passing game to a level that will give us some balance where we can score points,” Cable said. “We just continue to want to work at that. I believe it’s the right thing to do.”

– Wide receiver Louis Murphy was targeted seven times and caught three passes for 84 yards, but had two drops and a fumble _ the fumble coming after a 38-yard gain from Russell into New Orleans territory.

“Aw, man, it was my worst game ever,” Murphy said. “Two drops, a big-time fumble, costly when we tried to come back and give a spark to the offense. I take that responsibility. The NFL is faster and the DBs are right on you so you have to work on tucking the ball away.”

– Darrius Heyward-Bey, the first-round pick and also a rookie starter, caught a 12-yard slant on the first play from scrimmage and was blanked afteward even though he played into the third quarter.

– Wide receiver Javon Walker estimates he got in about “six or seven” snaps. He was never the target of a pass as the Raiders are easing him back in slowly. When asked if he was disappointed he didn’t play more, Walker said, “A little bit, you know just to get into the grove. Obviously it’s kind of hard to keep yourself motivated, keep yourself warm, but I’ll take what I can get and let them make a decision from there.”

– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland scored the Raiders’ only touchdown on a 43-yard catch and run from Jeff Garcia and plans on putting it behind him to concentrate on his roster battle with Nick Miller and Todd Watkins.

“As a football player you never become complacent,” Holland said. “You don’t want to be like that. I feel like next week, starting Monday, I still gotta go out there and prove myself. So I don’t want to settle for what happened today, or for what happened at practice. I want to keep getting better.”

– Safety Hiram Eugene didn’t start after missing a few days of practice and was a late arrival Devery Henderson’s 40-yard touchdown reception from Drew Brees.

– Other than holding on to the ball too long and coughing up the ball on a sack-fumble, Russell continued to show growth as a young quarterback.

“I didn’t really see too much of what you would you say poor decision making,” Cable said. “I thought he was pretty much right on.”

Russell’s fumble came on a play which Cable thought he should have checked down to a back rather than wait for Zach Miller to come free in the end zone. It was reminisicent of last season, where fumbles (Russell lost seven of them) were a bigger issue than interceptions.

– Terdell Sands never got into a game in which the Saints had 83 snaps. Cable said he’s been bypassed on the depth chart. Could be they simply don’t want Sands to be hurt because he they’re planning on cutting him during the opening cut down to 75 on Tuesday.

– Desmond Bryant, the undrafted rookie out of Harvard, had the Raiders’ lone sack and seems assured a spot on the 53-man roster.

– “Like I just told them, don’t let that game define us, but certainlygoing into it you want to put an effort out there that kind of sets you up for the rest of the road here. Disappointing. Very disappointing, is the only way to put it. We’ll go back to work and see if we can freshen up and get this team where it should be,” Cable, when asked what he told the team after the game.

– There wasn’t a lot of explanation from defenders as to what happened. Most said they were embarrassed, need to pay attention to detail and have to play better. It was hard to conclude anything other than 2009 could be more of the same with regard to the Raiders defense.

Getting cut up by Brees is one thing. That’s going to happen to a lot of teams. But the Saints’ ability to run the ball with ease suggests they’re not close to curing what ails them in that area.

– After going from 14 penalties in the preseason opener to seven against San Francisco, the Raiders were back up to 10 against the Saints for 89 yards.

– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha sustained a chip fracture of his left wrist that Cable said is not an issue in terms of missing game time. Others who didn’t finish included CB-KR Justin Miller (turf toe), S Michael Huff (strained quad) and S Rashad Baker (stinger).

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  • Charlie

    If nothing else I do not think we will hear about pad level, gap discipline or better technique again.

    Good offensive lines will nullify all of that unless you are ATHLETIC enough to overcome it and blow up plays.

    We do not have enough athletic talent on the Dline.
    Cast offs from the Ravens, Giants and Steelers will be better than most of what we have.

    After picking up some cast offs this year we better start investing first and second round picks in BOTH lines.

  • armond

    yes we need to change alot of players on that d line. i never believed it was a technique discipline issue. we dont have the overall talent. warren never has lived up to being a #3 pick and kelly doesnt make real game changing plays and sands is just awful. thats who we count on 2 make plays which is why we suck. we will change the attitude by changing the players who already have the it factor required.

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    Chefs lost their QB

  • armond

    charlie we have no choice next year cuz we pretty much have our skill positions filled up with draft picks. its not where u pick em but who. if the best mlb prospect is better than the next dt with our 1rst pick then we have to go mlb and so on. some 3rd guy may be better than a 1rst or 2nd. atleast we have 2 3rds and 2 5ths. hopefully we can swing a deal to get another 2nd also. my biggest wish is that we win enuff to attract peppers next year. wishful thinking but whatelse we got.

  • Terrapin

    408- For how long?

    All – I have no quarrels with young men partying. They have lives to live just as we do. Gawd knows I party my ass off! So long as they get the job done that needs to be done its not a big deal. But if it intrudes on their production on the field, that goes without saying as well.

    As far as my eyes saw, JRussell looked good (getting much better). Now if he is taking other players out with him and they are not performing just as well – then you have a problem. I remember when I was in high school and I used to cut up all the time with some other guys ..the difference being I always got the job done ..and they didn’t. The teacher had to tell them how much they were f’n up messin’ with me. They soon stopped. Not everyone can do the same things and perform the same.

  • On the beach in Cancun

    Terrapin…post 220

    I must have been watching a different game than you…my bad. You state that the run defense, first team, actually played better against the Saints. Wow. Thanks for letting me know, that much appreciated.

    By the way, for record purposes, in the first half, when “our first team defense” was playing, we allowed the Saints to gain 344 total yards, with 165 yards running, to our 60 yards. Ya, you’re right, we did play better..thanks again for letting me know. Footnote, the Saints finished the game with 536 total yards. JaMarcus Russell said, as he walked off the field: “It was very embarrassing.”

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  • Charlie

    Armond

    Our Dline is so bad we can not properly evaluate LB or DB play.
    Defense starts with the line.

    Guys like Reggie White made a lot of average linebackers look pretty good.

    It must start with the line.

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    We the 10th pick in the 2010 draft, the Oakland Raiders select…… Syd’Quan Thompson, DB, Cal

    Just preparing you guys, don’t kill the messanger.

  • Terrapin

    Cancun – No need to get offended by what I said. Just pointing out that they played the run better vs NO than vs SF. Not saying they played either well. But they initially played NO better. Against NO they doomed themselves by not being able to get off the damn field in near 100 degree field temperatures. That had mostly to do with the lack of pass rush not run defense.

    One thing leads to another. If your defense can’t get off the field, can’t stop on 3rd downs, they’re toast against the run or pass.

  • Florida Pete

    Florida Pete Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    I think i’m going to start a feature for this here blog…

    i’ll call Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department…

    My very first entry into the Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department is the following:

    Linebacker Napoleon Harris’ return to the Raiders lasted only five days, as the Raiders released the 2002 first-round draft pick so that they could re-sign linebacker Chris O’Neill.

    O’Neill was signed by the Raiders as an undrafted free agent out of Boise State in the offseason. He arrived to the Raiders as a tight end and worked out as such in offseason workouts.

    Then came a call from managing general partner Al Davis and coach Tom Cable informing O’Neill that he was being converted to middle linebacker.

    O’Neill seems to be under the impression that the Raiders are targeting him for the practice squad. If so, that would mean he has to be released before Sept. 6, clear waivers and then be re-signed again.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    now that’s some stoopid schit !!!!

    i gotta idea… how’s about we get players who already know how to play the position…

    especially MLB… ESPECIALLY !!!!

    why the fuqq anyone would want the captain of the defense to be someone who has never played defense before is ridiculous and qualifies as stoopid schitt !!!!

    i mean… hell… let’s go all the way…

    we coulda drafted Hakeem Thabeet…

    at least he can block field goals…

  • Terrapin

    “I don’t think we’re going to be a high-powered group right now,” Chiefs coach Todd Haley said.

    How is this in any way suppose to encourage your team after the QB goes down?

    No where does it say the type of injury sustained. Everyone is just speculating that its bad. We’ll see I guess.

  • armond

    yeah i agree charlie but i think we can evaluate our lbs and dbs just by how they make their own plays. they dont tackle well when in position even if it is for a 4 yard gain it ends being 12. routt is getting torched and committing penalties.while or line may not be holding up well the lbs are making simple plays bigger than they need to be.

  • DKnight007

    WOW! Glad I was working and I didn’t see whatever the hell that was yesterday.

    Looks like the team didn’t even show up….if that is going to happen….don’t even bother to show fellas…and that includes the coaching staff! WTF?

    This is exactly what will happen when the Raiders play teams that can run the ball and have an effcient passing game. They will be shredded.

    Defense better get more aggressive, explosive and have gap discipline and mix up the looks.

    Same with the offense, they need to mix it up and not become predictable or it will be bad. Where is the WILDCAT?

    Get ready to throw 1000 bucks on the Chargers to cover opening night if this is how the Raiders are going to play….

    Not good….

  • HayesDaze37

    It’s still a GREAT day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?

    I knew we should’ve played Lechler.

  • armond

    people automatically point out jruss in ellis comments about partying but lets not forget super mario and his self acknowledged bk binge on friday night. remember how he tweeted about eating all that junk after having a pretty healthy diet up in napa? i find it no coincidence that he looked slower and sluggish yesterday. dude was sick from eatin all that crap he had to sit out that walkthru.

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    No more BK runs for Mario!!!!

    He needs to go to Wendy’s and go a little healthier.

  • priesttj

    Terrapin post #220 is on the money, IMHO

  • DKnight007

    # armond Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    people automatically point out jruss in ellis comments about partying but lets not forget super mario and his self acknowledged bk binge on friday night. remember how he tweeted about eating all that junk after having a pretty healthy diet up in napa? i find it no coincidence that he looked slower and sluggish yesterday. dude was sick from eatin all that crap he had to sit out that walkthru.

    ^^^^^^Agreed what Mario did to himself is a reflection on how the team played. He eats like crap and they play like CRAP!

    This is a year round profession for these guys…they need to keep the edge, stay in shape, eat right, study hard, play smart and hard, stay focused and concentrate.

  • Raider E

    This team is really comical if you care to find the humor in it. I was pissed after the Super Bowl years ago, but it really has become a little funny in a dark way.

  • Raider E

    Garcia reminds me of an overly excited puppy, pissin’ all over himself!!!!

  • HayesDaze37

    JaMarcus looked fine. Offense is going to be OK — even with the rookies playing more than what rooks normally do.

    As exciting as he is to watch… Murphy is undisciplined, in large part due to his enthusiasm. His routes are pretty good — not excellent — and he finds the open spaces like a natural. But, he’s been eating an awful lot of humble pie lately, and he’s figuring out how hard it is to be really good in the NFL. He will be, but he needs to mature as a player in a hurry.

    DHB looks right on target, and whether or not they throw to him, he is being doubled by the opposing Def’s. When they start throwing the ball his way 6-8 times per game, it will be exciting to see. JLH is going to be a great target with DHB and Chaz/Murph getting so much attention paid them. ZMiller is Mr. Steady. Javon Walker didn’t show much burst off the line, but he wasn’t a target either. I keep telling people to not write off Jonathan Holland…he’s scrappy, and he should be playing more than we see.

    The running game wasn’t used the way Cable wanted…but, it doesn’t take much to fall out of game-plans when you get down a few quick TD’s. Bush wasn’t used nearly enough…and he didn’t get the chance to get his groove on (like anybody on O did!). But, with DMC doing the electric things he does, and MBush actually being used, the RB’s will be fine. I worry about DMC’s health more than anything…every time I see him dip a shoulder in traffic.

    D-Line? Atrocious. They are manipulated all over the field by the O-line. When they get a hand on a ball-carrier, they can’t wrap up. Hello, LB’s?? Do we have ANY LB’s who know how to tackle? ANYBODY WHO CAN TACKLE??

    Eugene gets a slight pass, because he was out all week. Mike Mitchell is missing an incredible opportunity to win a job (and we NEED the spark aggressive guys like him provide). JaMarcus looked like he was pretty good to go. The O-line will probably be alright.

    The D-line and LB’s are unbelievably outplayed — by talent not necessarily any better than them — on a regular basis. Being out-talented is one thing, but being out-played is another. Not having Morrison (and Norris) actually hurt a lot. Morrison, because he can match up to some of the fast talent on the other side, and Norris, because he actually shows some instincts toward tackling/hitting. And the rookies shall show us the way.

  • priesttj

    Good post HD37, Everybody is ready to blow up the team. lol over one loss in exhibition.

    If we stay the course we’ll be fine. We got our ass’s kicked plain and simple………..it happens to the bst of them. NO isn’t quite that good and we aren’t nearly that bad but for one night it certainly looked that way.

  • Raider E

    Hayes,
    Tackling? I think u can answer that yourself. #52 has had 500 tackles in his young career, who cares if they are 5 yards from the line of scrimmage at this point. Just get well soon Mr. Morrison, please. He leads this defense, and lord knows they need him. I am sure the mlb competition has reached it’s conclusion.

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    priesttj Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    If we stay the course we’ll be fine

    *************************************

    I guess it depends on one’s definition of “fine”.

    If we “stay the course”, we will win between 3-6 games. 7 at best. I am not “fine” with that.

    Everyone keeps saying how great the Saints are. THEY WERE IN LAST PLACE IN THEIR DIVISION LAST YEAR.

  • Richochet

    24 Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
    I recorded the Raider game and I’m going to watch it right now. I already know the outcome and I’ve read about the game. Before I see it, I realize its a pre-season game. The thing I noticed about preseason is that the good teams usually lose in preseason because they’re busy working on the small things while the bad teams are trying to win. I know the Saints have alot of firepower on offense but maybe their goal was to just win the game while the Raiders were working on other things.

    Richochet: Ahhh..the “I’m in denial” stage..the “oh damn, let me find something/anything that will help me get through this” stage..the “have to come up with something to fend off those buddies that are rubbing this in my face, at least until MNF” stage….
    How’s that working for ya?
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    Tom Cable even said he wanted to focus on the passing game and did just that but he made it so the team was one dimensional. Obviously any team will struggle because of that. When we start running the ball more than passing, this offense will look alot more dominant and the run will setup the pass. The alarming thing is the run defense but I don’t know if Marshall is running a vanilla defense right now or if hes going to go ballz out during the regular season. The other factor that will help the defense the offense and its running game.

    Richochet: Oh..as compared to …oh…say…”FINDING OUT IF YOUR TEAM IS READY FOR OPENING DAY”?? The “let’s keep back some secrets, because now? Right NOW..we’ve developed something that no one else has EVER seen or used..boy oh boy are they in for a surprise” angle? There are NO DISGUISES that you could possibly show that anyone will view as “unique, and a tell”. At any given moment you can show blitz..and switch. This isn’t rocket science. It’s “CAN WE PERFORM”.
    IF THAT WASN’T CABLE’S GOAL, then he wouldn’t have had most of the starters in during the 3rd quarter.
    You were AT HOME. Your own fans were booing, nonstop, from the first series on. You got bitchslapped, and it was on NFL network, across the county, and you’re pretending it was by design? Lol..who do you think you’re kidding?
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    The defense has been on the field longer than it should because the offense has been passing alot. Once we start running and holding onto the ball, we’ll increase our time of possession and keep their offense off the field and out of rhythm and our defense will be more rested. Just some thoughts on the matter.

    Richochet: Well, gosh, you must be right. Let’s look and see what your STARS did.
    Bush..one carry…ONE YARD.
    McFadden 3 carries…ZERO YARDS.
    Oh sure..I can see it. Cable said ‘Yep, they’re fined tuned. Let’s go work on the passing game. That offensive running game kicked ass during the 49er game…oh wait..that was the Niners that kicked ass on the running game..well..uh..we’re behind by 31 points at the half…PASS, DAMNIT..PASS”

    THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO WHAT HAPPENED?
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    The preseason is extremely deceiving and though I’m not saying we’re a powerhouse or anything, nothing can really be made of this game. The Saints can go into the season and start 0-3 and we can start 3-0. Week 1 is the most important and the key is to make sure we don’t look like this last pre-season game.

    Richochet: Silly boy. EVERYONE (apparently except you) knows preseason game 3 is where you want your starters to do what they’ve been training for..to execute. You then have two weeks to work on areas of weakness.
    Btw..Cable, and pretty much everyone on the Raiders stated it’s a major concern, and that they got whupped.
    You might want to take your head out of the sand now..otherwise you’ll be one of those posters that “mysteriously” disappear after the season starts..not daring to show their face.

    We’ll miss ya ;)

  • Richochet

    24 Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 9:20 am
    Terrapin – We beat the Cowboys and lost to the 49ers, not the other way around.
    Also, in the 49er game, we went for a TD instead of kicking a field goal in beginning of the game and we went for 2 instead of kicking an extra point to tie the game. In other words, Cable was focused on other things and not the win. He could have taken the lead and he could have tied the game and didn’t because it doesn’t matter, there were more important things to address with the team and he wanted to see if the team could score under those circumstances.

    Richochet: First off, it’s pretty much a given now for coaches to NOT settle for a tie in the 4th quarter. Any HC that deliberately sets up to possibly go into over time should be fired. Any HC that loses a player to injury because of that overtime, should be shot.
    And save the ‘didn’t care about the win”. Going for 2 means you WANT THE WIN, not the other way around. Means you want to end it now. IF you had made that, and it held up, would be praise about “having balls and going for it”. You missed so you run the “didn’t matter”?
    It’s the Raiders/Niners.
    It’s HC job of the Raiders, which is always precarious.

    LMAO at Raider fan
    Win=WE KICKED YOUR ASS.
    Loss-IT DIDN’T MATTER

    Prior to the game was all about winning…now?

    Ok, keeping in that vein..uh..obviously yesterday Cable was also “focused” on other things.
    What might those have been?

  • DKnight007

    # Raider E Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    This team is really comical if you care to find the humor in it. I was pissed after the Super Bowl years ago, but it really has become a little funny in a dark way.

    ^^^^^^Oh yeah…because when they are bad….they are REALLY freakin terrible!

    Like I said about a month ago. If this team is gonna suck again…I might as well make money on them being crappy….by betting against them most of the time.

  • Norco Bob

    Dump russell,..draft tebow next year,..he will work harder then anyone and wont walk around town in a mink coat looking like a fool.

  • HayesDaze37

    Teabagger/troll — Did you really use Leinart as an example of guys who work hard on their craft? What craft is that? The hot tub/club/fast car craft?

  • DKnight007

    priesttj Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Good post HD37, Everybody is ready to blow up the team. lol over one loss in exhibition.

    If we stay the course we’ll be fine. We got our ass’s kicked plain and simple………..it happens to the bst of them. NO isn’t quite that good and we aren’t nearly that bad but for one night it certainly looked that way.

    ^^^^^^^WTF does stay the course mean with this team though? If staying the course means playing the way they played against the Aints, then staying the course is suicidal.

    Seriously, they need to move Kelly to RDE, because he is at least big and strong enough to be a base and effective against the run. Boschetti and Warren at DT’s and Ellis LDE….with Richardson and Scott being rotated in in pass situations or zone blitz situations and D Bryant being the prime backup at DT. Gunheim needs to see some time as well.

  • Richochet

    Florida Pete Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
    Norc… what the hell are you talking about???
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    J. Russell 12/18 153 0 0
    J. Garcia 9/15 111 1 0
    and from what i saw Russell’s numbers should have been way way better… were it not for certain butter fingered receivers…
    Garcia came in looking manic… desperate to prove he can do better… and in the end he did nothing to prove he was better than Russell…
    Russell still reminds me of Elway… he’s actually ahead of Elway in development at a similar point in Elway’s career…

    RICHOCHET: Actually ahead of Elway? You mean Janet, or John?
    In both of John’s first two years, the Bronco’s got to the playoffs. (his 4th year the SB)
    So, exactly what was it he beat Janet in? First in line at the buffet table? Or in visits to Zane Jewelers?

    How the hell can you compare Elway with Russell?
    Oh save the “struggled in first couple of years” copout.
    Difference is Russell (Manning, Young, etc) worked their ass off, both prior to coming into camp, and during camp. Russell shows up, fat, and admits it. Shows up sucking air, because he’s, in his words, “out of shape”
    Those other qb’s did everything they could to improve their game. Russell does everything he can to improve his bling. Those other qb’s were immediate leaders. No one, as in NO ONE on the Raiders EVER refers to Russell as a leader.

    The only similarities between Elway and Russell is Janet Elway smiled all the way to the bank with her divorce settlement with John..and Russell smiles all the way to the bank AND the buffet table with his guaranteed money from Al.

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    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    Dump russell,..draft tebow next year,..he will work harder then anyone and wont walk around town in a mink coat looking like a fool.

    *************************************

    Yeah he will just tell everyone we are losing because God is punishing us for not following his lead enough. Dude is off-the-deep end with his bible-thumping.

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    DKnight,

    Remember when betting against the Raiders, you gotta cover a lot of points. And those lines are going up after yesterday’s sorry performance.

  • Raider E

    Do you get some kind of sense of self worth calling people dumb and such. Didn’t mama hug u enough? Why do u come here trying to be a know it all, and finding people to convert to your self absorbed notion of being the football guru. These posts are all subjective opinions.

  • Raider E

    Richocet
    that comment was for you

  • HayesDaze37

    Before I depart, I would like to re-adjust my points prediction for this year…

    I had predicted the Raiders would score 22-points per game…6-points more per game than last year.

    After watching this last juggernaut-like effort by the Raiders…I think I will adjust my prediction…upward!

    I now believe this Raiders team will average 22.1-points per game this year.

  • Teabag

    # HayesDaze37 Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Teabagger/troll — Did you really use Leinart as an example of guys who work hard on their craft? What craft is that? The hot tub/club/fast car craft?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Did you hear that??? That was the plane going over your head……………

  • HayesDaze37

    It’s an awesome year to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?

    Later!

  • Kush

    You have to be able to see yesterday’s game for what it really is through the eyes of the coaches…A Glorified Practice!

    Therefore there isn’t a whole lot of creativity or balance in the offensive or defensive play calling. The goal is to see what the strengths and weaknesses of the team are.

    There is no way we only run the ball 6 or 7 times in a game. Clearly, Cable wanted to see what our pass offense looked like. Asomugha wouldn’t have been victimized and penalized on 2 or 3 consecutive plays either like Routt was.

    Obviously however, stopping the run, penalties, missed tackles, and dropped passes are an issue.

    So if yesterday was a real game, we would obviously have lost. But the score would have been something like 31-17 rather than 45-7.

    Cause for alarm, yes, but not cause to dump THE ENTIRE TEAM on its head.

  • Teabag

    DKnight007 Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    priesttj Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Good post HD37, Everybody is ready to blow up the team. lol over one loss in exhibition.

    If we stay the course we’ll be fine. We got our ass’s kicked plain and simple………..it happens to the bst of them. NO isn’t quite that good and we aren’t nearly that bad but for one night it certainly looked that way.

    ^^^^^^^WTF does stay the course mean with this team though? If staying the course means playing the way they played against the Aints, then staying the course is suicidal.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    HAHAHHHHHAHAHHHAHAHA

    or maybe he means “stay the course” as if we haven’t “stayed the course” over the last 7 years….

    Hey, I am not complaining… There are teams that never won a SB… like the Bills and Chiefs, and it must really REALLY suck to be one of their fans, even IF the Chargers are a semi-successful team as of late..

    But yea, stay the course don’t work at this point..

    Because over the course of the last 6 years…. no team has put together a worse record… NO ONE…

    And good luck trying to convince anybody that it is going to change with this ’09 team.

  • Richochet

    # Teabag Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Norco Bob is a obfuscator….

    Raider fans do not hate Russell.. Some don’t like the pick.. All stand behind him…

    Richochet: YOU LIE..BIG TIME. Tell you what..YOU pick ANY RAIDER BOARD..any one..and I’ll paste you links to threads from many Raider fans stating otherwise.
    If you mean “every raider fan wants every raider player to do well”..fine..but that’s not the same as saying “every raider fan thinks/believes every raider player will do well.

    Oh, and MANY DO DISPISE THE GUY..for his blase’ attitude..his worrying more about his bling than his waistline..him coming in to camp a fatass instead of lean and ready to perform..his refusal to even act like a leader.
    See, unlike you, not every fan out there is a sheep. They don’t just go along with everything because someone told them that this is what “true fans” do.

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    I have several friends who stand in the Black Hole, all of whom think Russell is going to be a fine QB.

    Richochet: Well whoop dee do. Is that supposed to mean something? In every section some feel “he’ll be fine” In every section some think he sucks. In every section, some hate him.
    All you’ve proven is that some of your friends have some of the worst seats in the house, and they’re slow.
    Hey?? You guys play poker?
    We should..uh..have a game…what say you?
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    Jeff Garcia @ 40 is not a better QB… He is too jumpy, and hasn’t made any better throws than Jamarcus this preseason.. All he has done is try to win coaches over with his shouting and ebergetic play… The dude looks like he is in a Hamster Wheel playing QB…

    Plus, Jeff Garcia has never won shit and his playoff record sucks. As soon as Garcia went up against any hardcore D in the playoffs his arm couldnt get him out of a jam…

    Look at the 2002 season… right after that amazing comeback win against the Giants he couldnt do shit against the Tampa 2.. They spied him all game and made him use his arm and he threw 3 picks..

    Jeff Garcia took a shit against the Saints in 2006 and again with Tampa in 2007 – throwing backbreaking picks in both playoff losses..

    And to add the ONLY effective play in Jeff Garcias repetoire is the roll out… And any other conventional play drawn up BECOMES a roll out because all he does is jump around and leave the pocket anyway..

    At this point he is just a jumpy 40 year old who misses his mark more than he hits it…

    You cannot win with Jeff Garcia and starting him only sets this franchise back 5 more years..

    Forget about Jeff Garcia starting, it wont happen.
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    And you would be correct.

    Question is, why did Al pick up Garcia in the first place?
    oh, I know, I know. “he’s a vet” “he can step in”
    Except WHY would you want him to step in?

    How is it Al missed that?

    Garcia has ALWAYS had happy feet. It’s what makes you first say ‘oh good, he didn’t get sacked” followed by “what the hell are you doing running around? Pocket didn’t break down. You missed wide open receivers”

    And then..when those receivers are open, he was constantly off mark. Owens HATED playing with Garcia..refused to come back to the Niners if Garcia stayed. Rice HATED playing with Garcia.

    Garcia gets receivers killed. Off target throws set up receivers for vicious hits.

    So, why, Al? Why not let a qb step in that you’re developing? Why get a qb that SF, Cleveland, Detroit, Philly and TB all said “Oh man..that was a mistake”?

    Garcia’s mantra will be “I’ll get you first downs”..only problem is they should have been touchdowns if he did his job

  • Kush

    Ricochet who’s your favorite football team?

  • Teabag

    # Kush Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    You have to be able to see yesterday’s game for what it really is through the eyes of the coaches…A Glorified Practice!

    Therefore there isn’t a whole lot of creativity or balance in the offensive or defensive play calling. The goal is to see what the strengths and weaknesses of the team are.

    There is no way we only run the ball 6 or 7 times in a game. Clearly, Cable wanted to see what our pass offense looked like. Asomugha wouldn’t have been victimized and penalized on 2 or 3 consecutive plays either like Routt was.

    Obviously however, stopping the run, penalties, missed tackles, and dropped passes are an issue.

    So if yesterday was a real game, we would obviously have lost. But the score would have been something like 31-17 rather than 45-7.

    Cause for alarm, yes, but not cause to dump THE ENTIRE TEAM on its head.
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    No, this was not a glorified practice… They game PLANNED around the Saints offense…

    I don’t care if this shit was a scrimmage, a walk through…. or some dumb simulation…

    IF that is the BEST you can do when you go into the game room, break down film and put together a PLAN to stop the Offense in which you practice all week simulating…

    That is BAD…. no matter how you slice it…

    And let’s remember something…. this is the EXACT same offense with a few VERY minor personnel tweaks that carved us to shreds last year.

    So, they should be even more familiar with the way Brees runs his offense… And they let him bend us over..

    Also, Brees was right when he said “It felt like we were in our set and they were still lining up”

    You know why it felt like that??

    Because that is EXACTLY what was HAPPENING!!!!

    The Raiders showed no emotion, no sense of urgency… were not even LINED UP!! And then you ask why some many players were caught out of position?

    Who coaches this team?

    Who holds these players accountable??

    Who CARES?

  • On the beach in Cancun

    Hey guys, have you ever heard of Head Coach GEORGE ALLEN?
    He coached the Rams when Roman Gabriel was their QB. After a few years he ended up in Washington coaching the Redskins. Allen was a defensive guru, top of the line, who avoided “rookie” at all cost, valued experienced players and was known for trading all this future draft picks to obtain players NOW. He was a very successful coach.

    Sorry for the long post. The point is…and I might be a little hazy, he was going up against a running team, may have been the Giants and he changed his defense to a 5-2
    to stop the run. Same as a 3-4, except in the 5-2, you’re committing 5 men rushing. The NT is heads up with the center, the DT are in between the guards and tackles and the 2 defensive ends are covering the outside runs, first and foremost. The move tighten his defense and he was able to stop the run and win.

    The 5-2 also put more pressure on the QB as there were always at least 5 guys rushing, in addition to a linebacker or two when he was blitzing. George Allen liked to blitz and put pressure on the QB. He believed pressure on the QB won games and they did.

    We can’t stop the run with our 4 man rush and we can’t put pressure on the QB either. Maybe, Marshall, should take a page from the pass and try a 5-2? With our shut down corners, we could do it and put more pressure. Plus, when teams went up against us, they wouldn’t be as familiar, as all teams are currently familiar with the 3-4 and the 4-3.

    Just a thought and I have many thoughts after Saturdays
    dirty and ugly “beat-down” on us. At home too boot!

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    The 5-2, what the hell let’s give it a go!!! Can’t get much worse.

    Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

  • On the beach in Cancun

    They say Zapata said that when he was fighting the French in Mexico, not sure, but what a great line: “Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.” As you rightly say, things can’t get any worse defensively. Try something different, or get new d-linemen, other than Bryant…maybe Kelly???

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Never knew the source of the quote Cancun, but always liked what it meant. Thanks for the info!!

    Bryant has a spark and should be in the rotation. Kelly plays well….sometimes. Warren should get consideration for being cut, he probably won’t, but I see no reason why his spot should be set in stone.

  • Teabag

    Richochet,

    Every Raider is going to stand behind this dude come game time.. Yes, so in so many words what I meant to say was every fan wishes him to do well.. On the same token, all of the negative feedback regardidng Russell is misplaced anger that should be reserved for the way Al runs the team..

    Russell inherited a pretty shitty situation.. But watching the preseason games, he has already shed a lot of the bad habits from last year.

    Point #2 – I would expect such ignorant comments toward Black Hole season ticket holders only from a Niner fan… I guess you would be considered more “intelligent” if you came to a bay game with a nuthugging pair of cargos shorts with a botle of Port and some Brie in a wicker basket…. Because we all know whose team does THAT.

    Point #3 – I agree 100% Al is the problem.. The veteran leadership argument sucks and never worked for this team. I said it about Lorenzo Neal as well. Many of the Raider fans on the site I frequent were upset about his release.. I, for one, did not care much about losing a one dimensional blocking back that is way over the hill… 40 @ such a physical position is not good.

    And I feel the same with Garcia… Terribly overrated. Sprays the ball all over the place and really is more annoying to watch then any QB I have ever seen.

    Why did they bring him in?

    I don’t even think Al brought him in for his veteran leadership as his resume in the postseason is less than impressive.

    I think he was brought in to light a fire under Jamarcus… And, in quiet fashion, Jamarcus has responded.

    Russell is not locking down on his first option. And I say this because it is true.. Many confuse with hanging in the pocket and keeping your eyes downfield for locking on.. It’s just not the case. He is checking down when he has to instead of abandoning the progression.. And his accuracy has come full circle since the Dallas game..

    I really have no complaints about him as of right now.

    But we can both agree AL is a cancer.

  • On the beach in Cancun

    USC fans have to be impressed with Mark Sanchez. He had a great game against the the Giants and beat Eli Manning and company. He passed for 149 yards, went 13 for 20 with no interceptions.

    USC is having a QB problem right now, a problem everyone would like to have…too many good quarterbacks. If Sanchez would have stayed another year, as coach Pete Carroll wanted him to do, the problems at QB would even be worse. All these potentially great QB’s unable to play, as they watched Sanchez from the sidelines, hoping he would get hurt. It’s cut throat with $$$ on the line.