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Postgame wrap

News and notes from the Raiders’ 45-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints Saturday at the Coliseum:

– Tom Cable said the Raiders didn’t have any zip, Jon Alston said there was a lack of enthusiasm and the stats said the Raiders barely showed up at all.

New Orleans had 31 first downs (14 rushing, 14 passing, three by penalty), the Raiders had 9.

New Orleans had 536 yards of total offense (304 passing, 232 rushign) and the Raiders had 289 (237 passing, 52 rushing).

New Orleans was 8-for-16 on third down conversions, the Raiders were 1-for-10.

New Orleans was 4-for-4 on fourth down conversions, the Raiders were 1-for-3.

New Orleans ran 83 plays and had the ball for 39:27, the Raiders had it for 47 snaps and 20:33.

– The official attendance (tickets sold) was 32,585. The amount of people who actually showed up was considerably less, and many were booing after the Saints scored on the second of their three effortless drives to open the game.

– Repeat to yourself, “It was only a preseason game.” Otherwise, the game had the distinct aroma of some of the Raiders worst home field performances of recent years. At least that’s what it says in my Web exclusive column.

– Game circumstance would have made it difficult for the Raiders to run, but Cable indicated the plan was to pass anyway. He is determined to upgrade the passing attack, and it appears to have worked to some extent.

The quesiton whether they can suddenly revert to being an upper eschelon running team after working so hard on passing during pracitce and preseason games. Cable said the Raiders are doing enough in their running periods in practice to stay sharp for Week 1 of the regular season.

“I stated numerous times we really need to get this passing game to a level that will give us some balance where we can score points,” Cable said. “We just continue to want to work at that. I believe it’s the right thing to do.”

– Wide receiver Louis Murphy was targeted seven times and caught three passes for 84 yards, but had two drops and a fumble _ the fumble coming after a 38-yard gain from Russell into New Orleans territory.

“Aw, man, it was my worst game ever,” Murphy said. “Two drops, a big-time fumble, costly when we tried to come back and give a spark to the offense. I take that responsibility. The NFL is faster and the DBs are right on you so you have to work on tucking the ball away.”

– Darrius Heyward-Bey, the first-round pick and also a rookie starter, caught a 12-yard slant on the first play from scrimmage and was blanked afteward even though he played into the third quarter.

– Wide receiver Javon Walker estimates he got in about “six or seven” snaps. He was never the target of a pass as the Raiders are easing him back in slowly. When asked if he was disappointed he didn’t play more, Walker said, “A little bit, you know just to get into the grove. Obviously it’s kind of hard to keep yourself motivated, keep yourself warm, but I’ll take what I can get and let them make a decision from there.”

– Wide receiver Jonathan Holland scored the Raiders’ only touchdown on a 43-yard catch and run from Jeff Garcia and plans on putting it behind him to concentrate on his roster battle with Nick Miller and Todd Watkins.

“As a football player you never become complacent,” Holland said. “You don’t want to be like that. I feel like next week, starting Monday, I still gotta go out there and prove myself. So I don’t want to settle for what happened today, or for what happened at practice. I want to keep getting better.”

– Safety Hiram Eugene didn’t start after missing a few days of practice and was a late arrival Devery Henderson’s 40-yard touchdown reception from Drew Brees.

– Other than holding on to the ball too long and coughing up the ball on a sack-fumble, Russell continued to show growth as a young quarterback.

“I didn’t really see too much of what you would you say poor decision making,” Cable said. “I thought he was pretty much right on.”

Russell’s fumble came on a play which Cable thought he should have checked down to a back rather than wait for Zach Miller to come free in the end zone. It was reminisicent of last season, where fumbles (Russell lost seven of them) were a bigger issue than interceptions.

– Terdell Sands never got into a game in which the Saints had 83 snaps. Cable said he’s been bypassed on the depth chart. Could be they simply don’t want Sands to be hurt because he they’re planning on cutting him during the opening cut down to 75 on Tuesday.

– Desmond Bryant, the undrafted rookie out of Harvard, had the Raiders’ lone sack and seems assured a spot on the 53-man roster.

– “Like I just told them, don’t let that game define us, but certainlygoing into it you want to put an effort out there that kind of sets you up for the rest of the road here. Disappointing. Very disappointing, is the only way to put it. We’ll go back to work and see if we can freshen up and get this team where it should be,” Cable, when asked what he told the team after the game.

– There wasn’t a lot of explanation from defenders as to what happened. Most said they were embarrassed, need to pay attention to detail and have to play better. It was hard to conclude anything other than 2009 could be more of the same with regard to the Raiders defense.

Getting cut up by Brees is one thing. That’s going to happen to a lot of teams. But the Saints’ ability to run the ball with ease suggests they’re not close to curing what ails them in that area.

– After going from 14 penalties in the preseason opener to seven against San Francisco, the Raiders were back up to 10 against the Saints for 89 yards.

– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha sustained a chip fracture of his left wrist that Cable said is not an issue in terms of missing game time. Others who didn’t finish included CB-KR Justin Miller (turf toe), S Michael Huff (strained quad) and S Rashad Baker (stinger).

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  • priesttj

    Listen that game was marred by t/o’sand penalties killing any hope of competing. Every time we did anything at all it was wiped out. Giving the ball back to a hot QB. It seemed on every 1st down we got penalized.

    I don’t want it to sound like I have a problem with the refs, but some of those penalties which made it very difficult on us were IMO lousy calls. Again I’m not blaming the refs but it made it hard for us to get any rythum offensively along with some physical problems of our own ie; sacks, dropped passes, fumbles and just legitimate bad execution.

    The Saints as great as they played we played right into their hands it made everything even worse. Hopefully we’ll get better and execute plays much better and give the defense a chance. they had the ball over 40 mins. That’s damn near unheard of, again most our doing but very rare. So let’s just take this ass kicking and get better………..period

  • 4evaRaider

    post 395 most excellent post and a great idea 4 us.We got the DB’s 2 make a 5-2 work,imo

  • 4evaRaider

    I’m sorry post 395…395

  • Teabag

    Post 401 –

    Ok, TJ…. And now we are going to pretend that T.O’s and Penalties from this game were just a fluke???

    I am beginning to think you are delusional.. Because this has plagues us for the last 6 years…. And gues what?

    Before the Gruden era.. SAME STORY!!

    And man, the Ref argument is so tired…

    wow, I really can’t believe you just took that awful stab in the dark…

  • priesttj

    Teabag, It’s my opinion. If you don’t like it don’t read it. And write your own……….OK pumpkin.

    No excuses we got our ass handed to us. Point taken but I also saw the game and have my own opinion.
    Thank you.

  • 4evaRaider

    the chiefs beat the vikings in S/B 4

  • priesttj

    BTW, I would play Dez Bryant at LDE and move Ellis blindside. Bryant is just a diamond in the rough, this kid could be something really special.

  • Dude

    Priest,

    Ever stop to think, just for a second, that this team is just flat not good? I mean seriously, how much evidence does a guy need. You can try and spin it however you want. They were flat outclassed in every respect on Saturday. If you cant see that then your out your damn mind.

  • Norco Bob

    TJ,…is Mike Taylor in the room with you right now?

  • encinitasraider

    Good news is roster cuts are comming for Pitt,Ravens,Giants….They are deep at LB’s and DT….so we could pick up someone who knows how to tackle. Also what’s up with Scott getting so much time and sucking arse, they should try Richardson on the at DE or put Bryant at DE since he has a great first step, at least he could turn the run inside…

  • tazZraider

    408RAIDER Says:
    August 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
    hey Tazz

    prepare 2 be dominated in FF…

    ===========================
    408,

    haha we’ll see 408.
    can’t wait for the draft though.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    On the Beach in Cancun:

    Can I join you?

    According to Hemingway the quote:
    “It is better to die standing than to live on your knees” belongs to Dolores lBarruri in the Spanish Civil War although she was paraphrasing Zapata who died in 1919.

    Zapata actually said: “It is better to die standing than to live a century on your knees”.

    Zapata is also quoted as saying the Raiders really sucked in the NO game.

  • Terrapin

    I re-watched almost half the game. The 3rd NO drive is when the defense really started to fall apart.

    A lack of pass rush was killing the Defense. Particularly inside pass rush. Warren did nada this game – nada. TKelly was continuously doubled, even took on 3 bodies at times. Warren did nada. TScott did nada – (almost all preseason may I add). All that weight must have slowed him down a good deal because he’s barely getting to the QB now. He played the run better this game – still a liability vs run though. You can see it when NO run blocks – the left side of the D barely budges while the right side is giving way.

    The penalties (some ticky-tacky) were just killing the offense each time something good happened. The turnovers were killing them too.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    AP sport sis saying that Matt Cassel’s injury is worse than Brady’s but no one knows what it is.
    Just that he had to leave the game and never came back.

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Check it out…

    Rackoshyt says…

    “Cut and Paste! Cut and Paste! My Name is Richochet!
    Cut and Paste! Cut and Paste! My mom says I am gay!”

    “I love to come to this here board where the men are big and strong!”
    I post some really stupid stuff and get slapped here all day long.”

    “For I love Michael Crabtree! He’s my favorite 49′er.
    He whipped me with his penis once and gave me a lovley shiner.”

    “Been so long since have I’ve seen him. My dreams they are a crashin’.
    He’s got the greatest football skills but I really miss his fashion.”

    “I’m hoping that The Raider Fans will help me grow a sack.
    And hoping Mr. Crabtree will help me paint it Silver & Black…”

  • Dude

    No more trolls,

    You are freakn HILL AIR EEEE US!!

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    I correct myself. I have to since I’m divorced.

    Cassel has a leg injury that isn’t that serious or at least the x-rays were negative Saturday.
    On the other hand he hasn’t played that well in pre-season.

  • Terrapin

    Oh yeah, and Alston was a ghost for the 2Qs I re-watched. Put Brown there at least. Brown/Morrison/Howard should start.

    The team is in dire need of a RDE, a SLB, and a DT to compliment Kelly in that order. Warren is more than serviceable but he really disappears as a non-factor sometimes. And he often struggles against a double team. I’ve seen this numerous times in the past.

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Thanks. Don’t mind debating the finer points with fans from other teams as long as they say what team they pull for… In other words, I can crticize my own family all I want but I won’t take it from an outsider. Will always defend. Just the way it is.. I won’t even read his posts so what ever they say is just a waste of time.

  • Charlie

    The offense will be OK and we will be competitive against second tier teams. Since we are in a weak division I can see seven wins.

    Preseason or not the Dline is horrendous.
    They will look respectable against the Donkeys or Bungles but will get pummeled by good Olines.
    The pattern has gone on too long.

    I really can see Richardson, Scott, Warren and Sands get cut.
    We are better of with Giant or Ravens cast offs who might be hungry than most of what we have now.
    Complete lack of pride and ability. Sands and Warren make $8mill/year between the two of them!!!!!

  • Dude

    How can you defend the indefensible? The Raiders suck. Thats not debateable.

  • armond

    people get 2 hung up on what these guys wear as if that stops them from playing well. 2many on gere act like women bitchin about bling and all. the problem is we dont have enuff talent. 6 years of losing does proves that. there some guys who have no business playing but they are. until they get replaced this what u will get. we replaced alot but not all the dead weight on offense now we need to to do it on defense.

  • Dude

    No WAY the Raiders win 7 games. No freakn WAY! They are no better than last year and its almost a 100% certainty the Chargers will just light them up like a holiday tree.

  • Florida Pete

    Florida Pete Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 8:46 am
    discipline falls apart once you start getting stomped…

    that statement is true for virtually every sport and military event…

    it’s only the very best, smartest and disciplined players/troops who can survive a beating… and possibly come back to win…

    so part of it is discipline…

    and another part of it is talent…

    i think we are woefully short in the talent department…

    getting Barnes back should go a long way to curing the O-line… where is Wade??? is he hurt??? if not, he needs to play… Satelle does not have it…

    here’s the draft picks i had in January…

    B.J. Raji, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT Green Bay
    Ron Brace, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT NE Patriots
    Augustus Parrish, Kent State, OT (released by the Saints) (I think I changed this pick before draft day)
    Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina, MLB, backs up EJ Harrington
    Derek Walker, Illinois, DE (released by Redskins)
    Dallas Reynolds, BYU, C/G free agent signed w/Eagles, 3rd team C/G

    Reynolds will be available on wednesday…

    looking at Derek Walker can’t hurt… he’s good against the run…

    and… looking at Parrish can’t hurt…

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    I’ll wait untill opening day to determine if we suck or not thank you. Been watching this team a long long time and have learned not to put too much stock in preseason. we won all our preseason games under art shell and what did that mean? nada. zilch.

  • priesttj

    Terrapin on DMC’s sweep right the ref on the other side of the field called hlding on ZMiller when the ref playside didn’t even see it. Just wiped out a 20 yard gain giving us 1st and 20. We couldn’t get anything going without something going wrong. Now I’m not saying the refs were out to get us. I’m saying we had huge plays just wiped out with penalties drops and fumbles. If half those plays stand up this might be a different game. The sacks were also a big problem but when you’re down 21 – 0 pass protection is very difficult. NO is just too good offensively when you can’t occupy the ball at all your defense will get whipped. Wec wuld get 2 huge plays and then BAM a t/o some self inflicted. And DMC’s fumble just compiled everything at the worst time.

    Hell it was like putting a bulleye on our own forehead and handing Brees the gun at gunpoint.

  • Richochet

    # No More Infield or Trolls Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Thanks. Don’t mind debating the finer points with fans from other teams as long as they say what team they pull for… In other words, I can crticize my own family all I want but I won’t take it from an outsider. Will always defend. Just the way it is.. I won’t even read his posts so what ever they say is just a waste of time.
    ============================
    First off, Dweeb, you couldn’t discuss the finer points of putting on your shoes, much less football.

    Oh that’s right.

    You tried. Once. And I sent your ass begging for help.
    Then you stated “I’m a coward. Anyone else care to be a coward?? I need company.” Dude, you started pleading for someone to ‘coward up’.

    Now? Look at you..400 plus posts on this thread..AND THE ONLY COMMENT YOU HAVE IS TO ME..or about me.

    The Cowardly Lion syndrome..yeah, bitch, you just copped to it with your “I won’t even read his posts”, lol..

    If not for me, you would have nothing to say..

    Oh..that’s right.. you still don’t.

    Back to the shadows, cowardly worm.

  • Dude

    Priest,

    You are the best excuse maker I have seen in all my years. You literally have an excuse for everything.

    No more trolls,

    The final score of pre-season games mean nothing. How the team is prepared and how they play means a lil short of everything. I dont need to wait till the reg season to see this team is garbage. I prefer no to ignore simple facts.

  • Teabag

    # priesttj Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Teabag, It’s my opinion. If you don’t like it don’t read it. And write your own……….OK pumpkin.

    No excuses we got our ass handed to us. Point taken but I also saw the game and have my own opinion.
    Thank you.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You are absolutely right… You have a right to state your opinion…

    And I have the right to call you a douchebag because your opinion sucks.

  • Dude

    His opinion not only sux, its 100% wrong 100% of the time.

  • Teabag

    and Florida Pete…. Ron Brace is not a 1st team DT with the Patriots.. Vince Wilfork is the starting NT and the Pats run a 34.

  • Florida Pete

    ooops…

    but i would be happy to take him off their hands…

  • Teabag

    Also Florida Pete, Derek Walker is playing for the Seahwaks..He is not a free agent.

  • Teabag

    Personally, I think Ron Brace is a slow and waddling bag of shit in the DL… That being said, he could be an upgrade to this DL and that is sad…. I wish Derek Walker was a FA, he looks like he is going to be a stout run defender for the Hawks…

  • Florida Pete

    hey, did you notice that i picked 2 DT’s…

    a MLB, a DE…

    a center, and an OT…

    now… what has everyone been bitching about for the past 3 weeks…

    um… besides rack-o-schit…

  • Richochet

    # armond Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    people get 2 hung up on what these guys wear as if that stops them from playing well. 2many on gere act like women bitchin about bling and all. the problem is we dont have enuff talent. 6 years of losing does proves that. there some guys who have no business playing but they are. until they get replaced this what u will get. we replaced alot but not all the dead weight on offense now we need to to do it on defense.
    ======================
    Of course bling doesn’t equate to performance. What it does do is show frame of mind.
    Russell gets massive bucks.
    First thing he does is buy a floor length mink coat, and gains weight. Work out? hell no. Party? Like no tomorrow.
    Shows up at training camp the following year “out of shape” as he put it. Played the year the same way.
    This past offseason? Shows up at parties with $100,000 diamond encrusted “jersey” hanging around his neck, with another 50,000 of “bling” on his wrists, while his gut is bulging over his pants.
    Shows up AGAIN out of shape, and again, admits it.

    But yeah, right, has nothing to do with performance..just in where some’s priorities are.

  • priesttj

    Terrapin saying Warren gets pushed back on doubles is like saying an OG can block two DT’s. Very few can do that.

    Here’s what I don’t get, EVERYBODY in here was saying Warren sucks because he doesn’t draw doubles. Now everyone is saying he sucks because he draws doubles and gets pushed back. My point is there are very few DT’s that can take on doubles and NOT get pushed back.

    What exactly are people expecting from this guy, if he draws doubles he’s DONE HIS JOB…………….period The other Dlineman and LB’s have to make the play………………period

    I can’t understand for the life of me what the hell everybody expects from this guy. NO he’s not Haynesworth but who else is.

    As soon as you guy’s find another McGlockton let me know, but don’t bring me freakin’ BJ Raji and expect me to get excited. GIVE ME A FREAKIN” BREAK…….BJ RAJI get outta here!!!

    Warren will never remind me of Reggie White but there aren’t too many DT’s a whole lot better. Just look around the dam,n league and watch these guy’s play and show me a DT that doesn’t get moved on doubles.

    BJ Raji must be a damn fool!!

  • Florida Pete

    yeah, seahawks signed derek walker a month ago…

    can’t believe i wasn’t notified…

    didn’t see it… only saw that he was cut a couple days earlier by Philly…

    okay, then… anything else i missed???

  • Teabag

    We have another McGlockton… His namne is Terdell Sands….

  • Florida Pete

    oh, no, teabag…

    not even close…

    McGlockton was a very good DT for us…

    for 4 out of the 6 years he was with us… he went to the pro-bowl…

    sands has gone to the toilet bowl…

  • Teabag

    Post 437…

    So TJ…. Gerard Warren doesn’t remind you of Reggie White…. (Which I don;t see why he would because Reggie White was a DE) AND… You are saying there aren’t to many DT’s that are better????

    lol…

    I can name you about 8 off the top of my head…

    Haynesworth
    Justin Tuck
    Vince Wilfork
    Marcus Stroud
    Tommie Harris
    Corey Williams
    Kevin Williams
    Pat Williams
    Darnell Dockett
    Jamal Williams
    Casey Hampton
    Jay Ratliff
    Shaun Rogers

    Oh, Im sorry… that was only 13

  • Teabag

    # Florida Pete Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    oh, no, teabag…

    not even close…

    McGlockton was a very good DT for us…

    for 4 out of the 6 years he was with us… he went to the pro-bowl…

    sands has gone to the toilet bowl…
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Exactly my point… even when McGlockton was in his prime he took plays off…

    In fact, the two amazing years we had from Darrell Russell were much more dominant years at the DT position then McGlocktons 4

  • priesttj

    A OG and a OC can push back an armored car and you guy’s want Warren to hold ground on two men well over 300 lbs. are you guy’s NUTS??

  • 64th Ave. White Boy

    why god why?

  • Florida Pete

    uh, yeah, sure… okay… that must have been what you meant when you said that thing that you said about well you know…

  • priesttj

    They both played together if things had gone right. That would’ve been the most dominant DT tandem we’ve ever had. But you guy’s have got to get a grip on this Warren sucks crap. The guy does his job, no he’s not dominant but to say stupid crap like he sucks is both immature and ignorant.

  • Teabag

    # Florida Pete Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    uh, yeah, sure… okay… that must have been what you meant when you said that thing that you said about well you know…
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    no, unfortunately, I don’t…

    and McGlockton was not very good.

  • Florida Pete

    i say he blows !!!!

  • Teabag

    # priesttj Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    They both played together if things had gone right. That would’ve been the most dominant DT tandem we’ve ever had. But you guy’s have got to get a grip on this Warren sucks crap. The guy does his job, no he’s not dominant but to say stupid crap like he sucks is both immature and ignorant.
    —————————-

    They did play together… and Russell was the reason they let McGlockton walk…

    Nobody is saying Warren sucks… He is just not good… He is OK… There is a reason he is on his 3rd team in 8 years

  • encinitasraider

    trevor Scott is not a run stopping DE….I would rather have Bryant there or even Richardson on running downs.