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Did post-camp discipline elude Raiders?

News and notes from Sunday’s conference call with Raiders coach Tom Cable a day after a 45-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints:

– In the aftermath of Saturday’s disaster, veteran defensive end Greg Ellis openly wondered if his teammates were taking their profession seriously enough as in getting the proper rest and being physically and mentally prepared to play a game.

“Guys, you can’t stay out all night. Can’t expect to come in here and just turn it on,” Ellis said. “This isn’t high school or college football. This is the best of the best in the NFL. So you’ve got to do the small things that maybe you didn’t have to do in college.”

Cable said he wasn’t aware of any raging Friday night parties that included his players, but conceded he didn’t know there weren’t any, either.

“The one thing as a coach that you’re always leery of is breaking camp because then they get home, they don’t have curfew, don’t have those kinds of things, and so as grown men we’ve got to handle those distractions, and to take care of our bodies and stay focused on what we’re trying to do,” Cable said.

– Probably unfair to single out Mario Henderson, but on his Twitter page in recent days he detailed a Burger King binge that astute readers figured out totaled more than 6,400 calories, and in a recent tweet said he ate an entire box of Frosted Flakes the morning of the Saints game. All after being serious about his diet for six months in preparing to become the team’s left tackle.

– Cable wasn’t calling the Saints game a setback, but it sure wasn’t a step in the right direction, either.

“We’re looking at the film hard, obviously,” Cable said. “We just reverted to a lot of old bad habits in a couple of areas. So (we) just have to think that through and make some good decisions here in the next 24 hours as to the right approach for this week.”

At the end of last season, in the afterglow of two surprising wins to close the season, Cable spoke of working to change the losing culture of the locker room and said, “I thought it was a mouse when I took over but it really was an elephant.”

Cable sounded surprised that Dumbo has returned.

“The only good thing here is it didn’t count against us, but there’s much to learn from it and you’ve got to make that a good thing,” Cable said. “We were making progress in a number of areas, and to revert back, I think everyone’s going to take notice of that . . . it’s a tough lesson. It’s ridiculous to have to go through it, but we did. So now we’ve got to approach it, `This is what it is, there ain’t no getting around this. And we’re going to go from here in terms of staying the course and keeping up with the investment that we’ve put forth.”

– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, after catching an opening slant for 12 yards, had two other passes thrown his way and no receptions despite playing well into the third quarter. Cable said it is because the Saints were leaning toward him in coverage, something he anticipates will happen with every team on the schedule.”

– Whatever the Raiders’ problems were on defense, Cable said they didn’t include Tommy Kelly.

“It would not be fair for anyone to really question or devalue what he’s done the last two weeks,” Cable said. “They’re really not able to run to his side if you look at it.”

– Cable was non-committal regarding the future of Terdell Sands while talking up the weekly improvement of Desmond Bryant, the undrafted free agent out of Harvard.

“He continues to do it. He continues to get better. He’s moving to the football, had one sack, missed another one,” Cable said. “He’s got the big body, he’s got the want-to, and he’s allowing his coach to take him where he’s trying to go.”

Cable was asked if it was the end of the line for Sands as a Raider.

“I don’t know that yet. It’s too early for all that,” Cable said. “It’s just where we were at in terms of rotation. We didn’t expect to play the first group as long as we did in the second half. Butwe had to, and bsaed on the rotation and the way it all worked out, (we) just ran out of time.”

– According to a year-old salary roster, Sands is due a $1.3 million salary this year and was scheduled to receive a $1.9 million roster bonus which he may have already been paid. The Raiders don’t get that back.

– If Jonathan Holland’s 43-yard touchdown reception wowed Cable, he was keeping his enthusiasm under wraps.

“There’s a lot of competition and he was fortunate to make a guy miss there,” Cable said. “That’s what you expect your receivers to do.”

– No word yet regarding Saturday’s new injuries, including a “chip fracture” to the left wrist of Nnamdi Asomugha and a stinger sustained by safety Rashad Baker. Javon Walker received limited play because Cable said they wanted to ease him back in.”

– A pretty shaky performance from the offensive line overall, with the Raiders continuing to get calls for illegal formations and false starts.

“The illegal formations, we have had that issue through all three games where the tackle has not been far enough up on the line of scrimmage and it’s ben addressed and it will continue to be addressed,” Cable said. “The false starts, that’s just a lack of focus of focus.”

Offensive lineman, Cornell Green in particular, have been nailed for illegal formations while trying to create extra space to deal with a speed rusher on a passing down.

– The Raiders have just two practices before a Wednesday walkthrough and leaving for Seattle, where they play Thursday night. The first roster cut down to 75 is Tuesday and some players could be released Monday.

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  • bombs4ya

    we need linemen maybe we can make a trade…
    problem …
    cooper carlyle : old garbage
    cornell green : old stupid garbage .
    i’m thinkng al has to know this is our weak link and will address it after this season ! plus add a dominate dt.

  • Raider-DEE

    Cooper carlyle is probably the most sound o-man we have!! IMO!!
    He might be old, but he’s better than cornell green!!

  • bombs4ya

    we will be an exciting team to watch we will beat teams that we should . should have a good home record
    the interesting part will be when teams just all out blitz us or just be able to beat us up front but there are only a handful of teams who play that way. can somebody tell me why erick pears can’t take cornell green’s job at rt.tackle

  • bombs4ya

    post 154…
    yet they both don’t have what i takes to dominate their man .thats the problem alot of times they are getting beat when it really counts. they would be backups on any other teams ‘ they’re just average vets
    ( service able only )

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Raider Dee, Al Davis deserves as much credit as anyone when we win. He hired Gruden in 98. Great move, culminated into a Super Bowl visit 4 years later. Thank you, Mr. Davis. Now that we’ve cleared that up, that was then, this is now, and Al Davis needs to retire. He’s ruined any chance of ever getting a coach here again. Don’t ask why, because you know. He can’ get a GM either. No doubt Madden was that “big name” he thought he was going to bring in. A lot of us have been saying this about Davis well before the drubbing yesterday. So quit being a drama queen.

  • bombs4ya

    wanted…
    an offensive line that can block protect the qb, open holes for the rb’s ,and allow our te to release from the line to get more pass receptions. and most importantly………. dominate atthe line of scrimmage

  • Raider-DEE

    Thanks and G’nite…..

    Go Raiders!!!

    Madden!!..ppfff..STUPID ass!!..That cat retired 40yrs ago!! In case you forgot….Flores won 2 super bowls for the raiders in the 80′s!! Whatta DUMB SHIT!!!LOL!!

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Raider Dee, when you pick up your prozak prescription tomorrow, come back, read this thread again, and see where I give Al Davis credit for the entire Gruden era. I gave Al Davis credit for when we won. So it’s only fair I blame him when we lose. People like you, on the other hand, never want to blame Al Davis for anything, but want to herald him as the architect of everything great about the Raiders. You’re the real hypocrite. Al Davis needs to retire. And so do you. To bed.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Glad you’re going to bed, Raider Dee. Your mother must have heard you yelling.

  • Raider-DEE

    Madden Raider!!

    Dude, give it a rest bro…Will you… You think posting little stupid comments here will get Al to retire?? LOL!! You and a few other dudes here have been harping over and over and over that Al Davis should retire!! ppff..it’s not going to happen man!! STOP IT!!

    Look…Why dont you go root for another team until he retires…ok is that alright w/you….

    No huh?? It’s like an never ending story…You have been hoping for his retirement for what is it now 5 yrs….Dude wake up man!LOL!! DAMN!! LOL!!

    Now i’ll say g’nite and GO RAIDERS!!! Now is timeto retire for the nite!!

    G’nite madden raider…..???

    It’s all good bro,,,, I hope!!

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Ok, dee, I’ll go root for another team. Al Davis still needs to retire, or the Raiders will continue to suck. Go to bed. And when you wake up tomorrow, go right out to get your medication. You’re not doing well tonight.

  • NoMoreFargas

    Whats up fellas here’s to putting preseason whippings behind us and opening the season with a win. Is it possible the pass rush has become as bad as the run D and how long can a db cover a wr cause man we make our guys work.

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Florida Pete

    yup…

    we got problems…

    i don’t feel like saying “who’s gonna stop the run” anymore…

    i wanna say: who’s gonna play defense???

    i wanted Raji, Brace, Brinkley… and every one of them were available to us… we could have had every one of them…

    DHB may well become a weapon… but we already had a guy who can run fast downfield… could’ve had Raji here…

    Mitchell probably won’t play this year… and don’t be surprized if he never plays… could’ve had Brace here…

    Matt Shaunessy… where is matt these days???

    Louis Murphy… good pick and good value… it would be helpful if he hung onto the ball…

    Slade Norris… 4th rounder… definately should have been Brinkley taken here… by the way… what does Norris do???

    Stryker Sulak… schit… i might have drafted him just because of his name… but he’s not here anymore…

    Brandon Myers… a find… very good pick…

    so who’s gonna play defense???

  • Florida Pete

    discipline falls apart once you start getting stomped…

    that statement is true for virtually every sport and military event…

    it’s only the very best, smartest and disciplined players/troops who can survive a beating… and possibly come back to win…

    so part of it is discipline…

    and another part of it is talent…

    i think we are woefully short in the talent department…

    getting Barnes back should go a long way to curing the O-line… where is Wade??? is he hurt??? if not, he needs to play… Satelle does not have it…

    here’s the draft picks i had in January…

    B.J. Raji, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT Green Bay
    Ron Brace, Boston College, DT, 1st Team DT NE Patriots
    Augustus Parrish, Kent State, OT (released by the Saints) (I think I changed this pick before draft day)
    Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina, MLB, backs up EJ Harrington
    Derek Walker, Illinois, DE (released by Redskins)
    Dallas Reynolds, BYU, C/G free agent signed w/Eagles, 3rd team C/G

    Reynolds will be available on wednesday…

    looking at Derek Walker can’t hurt… he’s good against the run…

    and… looking at Parrish can’t hurt…

  • Florida Pete

    I think i’m going to start a feature for this here blog…

    i’ll call Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department…

    My very first entry into the Pete’s Stoopid Schit Department is the following:

    Linebacker Napoleon Harris’ return to the Raiders lasted only five days, as the Raiders released the 2002 first-round draft pick so that they could re-sign linebacker Chris O’Neill.

    O’Neill was signed by the Raiders as an undrafted free agent out of Boise State in the offseason. He arrived to the Raiders as a tight end and worked out as such in offseason workouts.

    Then came a call from managing general partner Al Davis and coach Tom Cable informing O’Neill that he was being converted to middle linebacker.

    O’Neill seems to be under the impression that the Raiders are targeting him for the practice squad. If so, that would mean he has to be released before Sept. 6, clear waivers and then be re-signed again.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    now that’s some stoopid schit !!!!

    i gotta idea… how’s about we get players who already know how to play the position…

    especially MLB… ESPECIALLY !!!!

    why the fuqq anyone would want the captain of the defense to be someone who has never played defense before is ridiculous and qualifies as stoopid schitt !!!!

    i mean… hell… let’s go all the way…

    we coulda drafted Hakeem Thabeet…

    at least he can block field goals…

  • Florida Pete

    hey, did you notice that i picked 2 DT’s…

    a MLB, a DE…

    a center, and an OT…

    now… what has everyone been bitching about for the past 3 weeks…

  • Scottish Raider

    Pete, I wanted the following:

    Round 1: Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith – only a fool would pass on a standout OT. Both Monroe and Smith could start at RT and move across with experience.

    Round 2: Phil Loadholt – another OT but I think he could make a great OG.

    Round 3: Ramses Barden – big, good hands and a genuine red-zone threat. I thought he would be outstanding 3rd round value – the Giants agreed.

    Round 4: Chip Vaughan – yes, we needed a SS and Vaughan was a proven playmaker. Loads more experience than Mitchell and, because Aaron Curry got all the attention, somewhat under-rated.

    I would have used the 6th and 7th on the best (and biggest) DLinemen available.

    The tragedy is that Monroe, Loadholt, Barden and Vaughan were all available. We took DHB, Mike Mitchell, Shaughnessy and Murphy. Why?

    This franchise is damned by ridiculous draft day decisions. Davis and his cronies have gambled pick after pick on track stars and small college maybees. And what do we get. An Oline have can’t pass protect and which crumbles against the rush and a Dline that can’t exert any sustained pressure and can’t stop the run.

    We have the highest wage bill in the NFL. What a joke.

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  • 860Todd Christensen

    The problem isn’t Russel, its a pourous O-line and a pathetic D-line. Brees had hours to pick us apart, it could of been tripple digits.

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  • Scottish Raider

    I don’t blame Russell either. Our starting Oline just does’t have enough quality:

    LT – Mario Henderson: Lots of ability but still immature and lacking in elite skills. With experience, he might make a reasonable OT. Passing on Monroe was a monstrous mistake.

    LG – Robert Gallery: Now a top class OG but his failure as an OT has scarred this organisation.

    C: Samson Satele: Too small. Probably more reliable than Jake Grove but still too lightweight to hold off all the big 3:4 NTs we have to face. A liability in waiting.

    RG – Cooper Carlisle: Great technique but that no longer is enough to compensate for a lack of bulk. Now getting regularly over-powered – but we missed another chance to drat his replacement.

    RT – Cornell Green: Serial back-up, serial disappointment. Just not good enough. Green shouldn’t beon the roster, let alone starting. And the likes of Wilson, Marten and McQuistan are damned because they can’t beat him out.

    Only Gallery is good enough. Henderson might be but, the others are on the way down…and fast. Time to scour the waiver wires.

  • Scottish Raider

    As for the Dline:

    DE – Greg Ellis: Proven performer, great attitude but the body is weakening. We need him – shame he isn’t three years younger.

    DT – Tommy Kelly: Over-stuffed DE becomes well-stuffed, over paid DT. Never seems to make the big plays and his motor is half-bore. Can’t last many plays before being rested. Lacks intensity and leadership. A real waste of an awful lot of money.

    DT – Gerald Warren: Mr Hot’n'cold. Can be excellent but is too often very average. Has so much talent for so little delivery. Overpaid for the questionable contribution he makes.

    DE – Trevor Scott: Over-hyped last season and a situational rusher at best. In many ways, Scott is a throwback to the old Lombardi tweeners. Mid-West, white farm boys with great gym stats and great attitude – who all fail.

    Only Bryant looks a talent on the rise. Sands is rubbish, Richardson is average, Gunheim is inadequate and Shaughnessy is no shooting star. Time to scour the waiver wires…again.

  • Florida Pete

    actually, i am very okay with Henderson… his little binge (w/o purge) last week was a mistake… hopefully he won’t do it during the regular season… but i think he’s fine… we have other issues that take precedence…

    gallery was the victim of a philosophy that i simply do not agree with… any first rounder… in my opinion… should be plugged into the line-up at their position… i don’t care if it’s quarterback or halfback, left tackle or middle line backer…

    if you didn’t need the guy at that position… you should have drafted someone else at a position of need…

    and yes, that does mean sink or swim…

    personally, i would never draft a player in the top ten of the draft under these conditions… except to refuse to sign him… and by the way, that’s exactly what i would do… i would draft a good prospect of 3rd round talent and simply tell the agent that 3rd round money is all i will be offering… sign, don’t sign… up to the agent and player…

    really… why would any reasonable business man pay top-tier wages for an unproven player…

    example:

    Drew Brees 3/14/2006: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including an $8 million signing bonus. 2009-2011: $9.8 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $14 million (2009).

    now let’s compare him to:

    Jamarcus Russell 9/10/2007: Signed a six-year, $61 million contract. The deal contains $32 million guaranteed, including all six years’ base salaries and a $19.9 million option bonus in the second year. Also available is a onetime performance bonus of $2.8 million. Another $7 million is available through incentives. Russell earned a $3 million escalator for 2010 by taking over 45% of the snaps in 2008. 2009: $460,000, 2010: $550,000 (+ $3 million escalator), 2011: $650,000, 2012: $6.69672 million, 2013: Free Agent

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Nation!!!
    I thought I was in Napa watching training camp, and a bad one at that on Saturday. As soon as the seconds ticked away in the second quarter, I left…

  • Florida Pete

    so…

    as much as i like Russell and think he could have an excellent future in the NFL…

    i would much rather have a proven player and take a chance on him… than take a rookie out of college and pay him like an ALL-PRO !!!

    and since the Raiders have been drafting in the top 10 for how many year??? we have a payroll problem that won’t go away until we dump the losers… take our beating (financially) and move on…

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S HOW THE PLAYER’S AND COACH’S RE ACT 2 THIS CLUSTER-PHUUCK IS IMPORTANT ALSO IMO..

  • Scottish Raider

    Pete, I don’t disagree. The Raiders were boxed in over the Russell draft. Couldn’t trade down – no takers. The alternatives were Calvin Johnson, but who would throw him the ball? Or Brady Quinn, who had a great pedigree but, as the years have shown, only an average talent.

    If only Kiffin had been able to sign Garcia in 2006. We could have then taken CJ and a lower round QB as a project.

    I quite like Russell and he will continue to improve. The problem is just that he will never be as productive as Brees, even if they earn the same money.

    I wonder how Al Davis is feeling about Andrew Walter being trusted by the Pats to back-up Brady. Walter is another savage indictment of Raider coaching. He still holds most of the PAC10 records, he has elite arm strength and he is really smart. Good luck to AW.

  • Florida Pete

    yes, Walter was another victim… i still have a high regard for him…

    at first he was the victim of an offensive line that was atrocious…

    then he was victimized by kid kiffie…

    after that he victimized himself…

    the only answer for him was to go to a winning program with a good coaching staff…

  • OAKlifer

    Morning Nation…

    Aside from the drudging…..and being embarrased for 3 and 3/4 of a the game…and sucking impossibly bad on defense…..and having a pourus o line….and shabby rookie WR expose them selves…This was a good loss a preseason ARSE WHIPPIN to show these guys that you had better be ready or yuo will be embarrased on a weekly basis…Plus it made a VET DE stand up and call out a young team WE NEED THIS…Nnamdi cant do every thing Hopefully Ellis pays of big I see double digit sacks and a true leader!!! As for Jamarcus he has all the tools but the roof has flew off and the are rusting away this guy had better get it figured out and soon before the nation has his head…I was talking to a long time Raider fan yesterday maybe 30-40 years….he said he would never even buy a Jamarcus jersey B/C how he held out…Raiders had a impecable record bringing rookies in house untill this he is being redicolously over payed to begin with he didnt need a few more million….This kid had better realize this is a long long way from the SEC…….

  • Florida Pete

    personally, i believe in building from the inside out…

    Gibbs proved in the 80′s that an average QB (with smarts) can be a star if he has an excellent O line and a good running back…

    Shanahan proved in the 90′s that an average running back can be a star if he has an excellent O line and a good QB…

    football is a team sport…

    you are only as good as your weakest link…

    we have weak links…

    DT, DE, MLB, RT, RG, C…

    notice a pattern here???

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    DOES ANYONE GET UP ON GAMEDAY , OR ANY OTHER DAY PUMP YOUR FIST AND SAY YES ,I CANNNOT WAIT TO SEE THIS KID PLAY,WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO TO MAKE MY JAW DROP TODAY,4 ME NO , NOT YET ANYWAY. I HOPE THAT DAY WILL BE HERE SOON, MR. RUSSELL HAS 2 SHOW ME HE WANTS TO LEAD THIS FRANCHISE..

  • Florida Pete

    you know… if i were a head coach… and if i could get away with it…

    for home games i would have all players report to a nice hotel close to the stadium…

    at 7:00 pm the night before every home game…

    some quick meetings with key groups… and no room service after 10:00…

    no booze… no food after 10:00…

    lights out at midnight…

    formation after breakfast at 9:00 am…

    that’s right… i said formation… dress right dress and all that schit…

    get military…

  • RaiderRockstar

    so despite the starters playing most of the game, the Raider hightlights against the Saints and the playmakers who showed up on gameday were undrafted rookie Desmond Bryant and former 7th rounder Johnny Holland (IR in year 1, inactive in year 2) ???

    yikes!

    does Tom Cable remind you of George Wendt?

    he played Norm Peterson on ‘Cheers’ …

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    GOOD DAY HWNDR,ROCKSTAR..

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    JUST HOPE TOM CABLE DOES NOT DEVELOPE ART SHELL’S ,HEAD TILTED TO ONE SIDE, IT CAN NOT GET ANY WORSE LOOK, AND THEN STAND’S THERE AND LOOK’S ON AS IT SLOWLY GET’S WORSE…

  • Florida Pete

    cable looks like a man who knows that there is not enough time in a calendar year to coach up some of the yahoos we have on this team…

    cable looks like a man who would like to throw up when he hands out checks to some of these yahoos…

    cable looks like a man who wishes he was authorized to hire and fire at will…

    cable looks like a man who cares about this team and wishes he could fix it…

  • Florida Pete

    DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 6:53 am
    JUST HOPE TOM CABLE DOES NOT DEVELOPE ART SHELL’S ,HEAD TILTED TO ONE SIDE, IT CAN NOT GET ANY WORSE LOOK, AND THEN STAND’S THERE AND LOOK’S ON AS IT SLOWLY GET’S WORSE…

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    there is only one art shell…

    the least prepared coach in the history of the NFL…

    i’m the only one in the world who really knows what he was thinking when he was standing on the sidelines with that stone faced expression…

    and the only reason he was pissed at Hostetler for yelling at him was because hostetler ruined his train of thought…

    he was thinking about….

    stay tuned…

  • AZ Raider

    CHEERS TO GREG ELLIS FOR PUNKING THE KIDS AFTER THE GAME!

    At least he brings some leadership to that D line. If what he said indicates what REALLY when on the night before the game, they deserve to be embarrassed. Preseason or not preparation has to be taken seriously.

    Russell hangs on to long a coughs up the ball after our first and only impressive drive of the game. After that drive it seemed the whole team sorta gave up… Pathetic.

    Not to mention Cables predicatble play calling reminded me of Lane Kiffin. At least it was pass happy instead of power O with Fargas on 3rd and 15, but the 3rd and long where he called a streak to DHB was a stupid play call. I don’t think that play even had a short route dump off option. Everyone goes deep and backs stay back in pass protection whar all we needed was 6-7 yards to keep the drive going… Pathetic.

    Everyone should learn alot from that.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Art Shell’s downfall (part 2) was hiring Tom Walsh to run his offense and Slater/Eatman to run his o-line.

    the least prepared coach in the history of the NFL?

    come on man! Shell is a man of dignity, honor and discipline. He has all the integrity in the world. Unfortunately, he (like Al Davis) looked to people he could trust rather than people who might have been better suited for the coaching jobs under him.

  • AZ Raider

    Florida Pete Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 6:38 am
    you know… if i were a head coach… and if i could get away with it…

    for home games i would have all players report to a nice hotel close to the stadium…

    at 7:00 pm the night before every home game…

    some quick meetings with key groups… and no room service after 10:00…

    no booze… no food after 10:00…

    lights out at midnight…

    formation after breakfast at 9:00 am…

    that’s right… i said formation… dress right dress and all that schit…

    get military…
    ………………………………………………

    I agree. These young guys are soft. Cable needs to take a look at Singltary across the bay and see how his players fear reprocussions for stupid decisions and stupid play on game day. Someone needs to step up and become the leader of the locker room, and it shouldn’t have to be Greg Ellis.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Russell hangs on to long a coughs up the ball

    ***

    thats what I’m talking about when I say Russell has no “pocket awareness”

    unless you’re talking about Hot Pocket awareness…

    Free Danny Southwick!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    I think we better sign any d-linemen cut by Tenn. They are 10 deep there and may have to make some cuts…

  • Plunketthead = andrews mom

    If Art was still the coach we would have gone 8-8 last year. We might not get any better then 8-8. But we would be respectable.

  • Florida Pete

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 7:03 am
    Art Shell’s downfall (part 2) was hiring Tom Walsh to run his offense and Slater/Eatman to run his o-line.

    the least prepared coach in the history of the NFL?

    come on man! Shell is a man of dignity, honor and discipline. He has all the integrity in the world. Unfortunately, he (like Al Davis) looked to people he could trust rather than people who might have been better suited for the coaching jobs under him.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    i remember those games…

    no coach in the history of the NFL needed more timeouts than the Shell did when there was a change of possession or a long gain…

    i call that no being prepared…

    someone should know what needs to be done if there is a change of possession on any given play…

    someone should know what needs to be done if there is a big gainer or a sack…

    someone… anyone… i call that lack of preparation…

    this is not a slight against Shell the person or Shell the player… it is an indictment of Shell the Head Coach…

  • AZ Raider

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 7:05 am
    Russell hangs on to long a coughs up the ball

    ***

    thats what I’m talking about when I say Russell has no “pocket awareness”

    unless you’re talking about Hot Pocket awareness…

    Free Danny Southwick!
    ……………………………………………..

    Wait a minute. I don’t think that is true. The roll out to Murphy (who cought it up) was GREAT pocket awareness. I thought Russell was the only guy besides Zach Miller on offense who played well. He was accurate and poised for the most part. Dropped balls fumbled balls and penalties negated everything good Russell was able to do. I thought he did his part to be competetive in that game.

  • Florida Pete

    oh… and i am talking about Shell’s first tour as Head Coach…

  • Florida Pete

    i agree AZ…

  • AZ Raider

    Dakota Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 7:09 am
    I think we better sign any d-linemen cut by Tenn. They are 10 deep there and may have to make some cuts…
    ………………………………………………

    Anyones trash would be better than our starters on the D line. With the exception of Bryant (Who was EVERYONES trash).

  • Florida Pete

    posting is pretty easy this morning…

    clearly the server can handle minimal traffic…

    just can’t handle anything more than that…

  • Florida Pete

    if Derek Walker gets cut loose by Seattle… i would pick him up and give him a chance…

    he stops runs…