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Did post-camp discipline elude Raiders?

News and notes from Sunday’s conference call with Raiders coach Tom Cable a day after a 45-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints:

– In the aftermath of Saturday’s disaster, veteran defensive end Greg Ellis openly wondered if his teammates were taking their profession seriously enough as in getting the proper rest and being physically and mentally prepared to play a game.

“Guys, you can’t stay out all night. Can’t expect to come in here and just turn it on,” Ellis said. “This isn’t high school or college football. This is the best of the best in the NFL. So you’ve got to do the small things that maybe you didn’t have to do in college.”

Cable said he wasn’t aware of any raging Friday night parties that included his players, but conceded he didn’t know there weren’t any, either.

“The one thing as a coach that you’re always leery of is breaking camp because then they get home, they don’t have curfew, don’t have those kinds of things, and so as grown men we’ve got to handle those distractions, and to take care of our bodies and stay focused on what we’re trying to do,” Cable said.

– Probably unfair to single out Mario Henderson, but on his Twitter page in recent days he detailed a Burger King binge that astute readers figured out totaled more than 6,400 calories, and in a recent tweet said he ate an entire box of Frosted Flakes the morning of the Saints game. All after being serious about his diet for six months in preparing to become the team’s left tackle.

– Cable wasn’t calling the Saints game a setback, but it sure wasn’t a step in the right direction, either.

“We’re looking at the film hard, obviously,” Cable said. “We just reverted to a lot of old bad habits in a couple of areas. So (we) just have to think that through and make some good decisions here in the next 24 hours as to the right approach for this week.”

At the end of last season, in the afterglow of two surprising wins to close the season, Cable spoke of working to change the losing culture of the locker room and said, “I thought it was a mouse when I took over but it really was an elephant.”

Cable sounded surprised that Dumbo has returned.

“The only good thing here is it didn’t count against us, but there’s much to learn from it and you’ve got to make that a good thing,” Cable said. “We were making progress in a number of areas, and to revert back, I think everyone’s going to take notice of that . . . it’s a tough lesson. It’s ridiculous to have to go through it, but we did. So now we’ve got to approach it, `This is what it is, there ain’t no getting around this. And we’re going to go from here in terms of staying the course and keeping up with the investment that we’ve put forth.”

– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, after catching an opening slant for 12 yards, had two other passes thrown his way and no receptions despite playing well into the third quarter. Cable said it is because the Saints were leaning toward him in coverage, something he anticipates will happen with every team on the schedule.”

– Whatever the Raiders’ problems were on defense, Cable said they didn’t include Tommy Kelly.

“It would not be fair for anyone to really question or devalue what he’s done the last two weeks,” Cable said. “They’re really not able to run to his side if you look at it.”

– Cable was non-committal regarding the future of Terdell Sands while talking up the weekly improvement of Desmond Bryant, the undrafted free agent out of Harvard.

“He continues to do it. He continues to get better. He’s moving to the football, had one sack, missed another one,” Cable said. “He’s got the big body, he’s got the want-to, and he’s allowing his coach to take him where he’s trying to go.”

Cable was asked if it was the end of the line for Sands as a Raider.

“I don’t know that yet. It’s too early for all that,” Cable said. “It’s just where we were at in terms of rotation. We didn’t expect to play the first group as long as we did in the second half. Butwe had to, and bsaed on the rotation and the way it all worked out, (we) just ran out of time.”

– According to a year-old salary roster, Sands is due a $1.3 million salary this year and was scheduled to receive a $1.9 million roster bonus which he may have already been paid. The Raiders don’t get that back.

– If Jonathan Holland’s 43-yard touchdown reception wowed Cable, he was keeping his enthusiasm under wraps.

“There’s a lot of competition and he was fortunate to make a guy miss there,” Cable said. “That’s what you expect your receivers to do.”

– No word yet regarding Saturday’s new injuries, including a “chip fracture” to the left wrist of Nnamdi Asomugha and a stinger sustained by safety Rashad Baker. Javon Walker received limited play because Cable said they wanted to ease him back in.”

– A pretty shaky performance from the offensive line overall, with the Raiders continuing to get calls for illegal formations and false starts.

“The illegal formations, we have had that issue through all three games where the tackle has not been far enough up on the line of scrimmage and it’s ben addressed and it will continue to be addressed,” Cable said. “The false starts, that’s just a lack of focus of focus.”

Offensive lineman, Cornell Green in particular, have been nailed for illegal formations while trying to create extra space to deal with a speed rusher on a passing down.

– The Raiders have just two practices before a Wednesday walkthrough and leaving for Seattle, where they play Thursday night. The first roster cut down to 75 is Tuesday and some players could be released Monday.

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  • AZ Raider

    Ellis played with fire at least. He just got NO help from the rest of the Defense. Poor guy knows he’s the only REAL defensive linemen we’ve got. And he thought he was here to wrap up his career LOL. Your the best we got Greg we were hoping to get 10 years outta you LOL.

    I was expecting the D to be bad this year anyway.

  • AZ Raider

    …Like on 3rd and a long 7 Elllis busted up a play in the flat forcing the ball carrier inside, but Alston whiffed on the tackle… 1st down…

  • Thec07

    Nation, What up?

  • RaiderRockstar

    get military?

    doesn’t get more strict than Art Shell. He’s right up there with Tom Coughlin and Rod Marinelli … some teams/players respect and obey, follow suit. some don’t. Coughlin almost got fired countless times with the Giants, but once players bought in they started winning. Millen kept drafting WR’s and saddled Marinelli with an old broken down QB. what about the lines? Rod was forced to resort to scrubs in FA or guys on scholarship – hoping a new coach makes all the difference.

    that approach doesn’t work here in Oakland because our Head Coach doesn’t have any power. players go straight to Al Davis’ office and complain about the HC. Art Shell was right about Jerry Porter. what is that clown doing now? bagging groceries?

  • AZ Raider

    Javon Walker needs to be on the field after this week of practice. He wouldn’t have fumbled once… Garanteed!

    START JAVON!

    BENCH GREEN!

    HOLD THE PLAYER ACCOUTABLE!

    TAKE CHARGE RUSSELL! (you looked like our best offensive player for once)

    GET GROVE BACK SATALITE DOES NO GOOD FLOATING AROUND IN SPACE WHEN HE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO THE SNAP COUNT.

  • Thec07

    In my mind Ellis is the only stand up guy on this whole team IMO, right now until someone proves diffrent. However here is the problem with that, he has only been a Raider a few months. I totally understand why Brien, and Norco Bob rip JRUSS.

    JRUSS should be setting the example…..
    I complained about this earlier and no way he should have come to camp out of shape. Two words ” Personal Chef”.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Two words ” Personal Chef”.

    ***

    the Raiders have one Thec, it’s called Burger King

    Have It Your Way :)

  • Plunketthead = andrews mom

    Art also laid down the law with Moss and Lamont.
    Didnt he beat the world champion Steelers in the third game? Then it all fell apart.

  • chargerschoke

    Wore my raiders cap Saturday morning here in Atlanta, needless to say it was off Saturday evening! As long as there’s no QB pressure from a blitzing CB or LB we will be losing , a 3 or 4 lineman rush won’t work ! Get ready for another losing season if they don’t blitz and keep using those lame ass zones of cover 2 and cover 3 on passing downs with no blitzing from those zones!

  • 860Todd Christensen

    Our D was pathetic, never penetrated, out-classed, and we really suck.

  • bombs4ya

    art messed up by not hiring young up and coming cordinators with vision for the modern nfl. someone to groom into being the next coach after he retires.
    all in all i think cable will turn things around he just needs to punch one of these players in the jaw.
    then he will have orde of the team !

  • Kirk

    Until Al Davis realizes that offensive tackle and defensive end are the two most important positions on the football field, we will continue to suck.

  • PassTheCheetos

    Lmao were screwed if our best chance of having good dt’s is by picking up another teams garbage at cut time. Remember players are cut for a reason. Not saying quality starters dont get cut. Its not likely that we find any hidden gems come cut time, we already struck gold with desmond bryant, chances are what we got now is what we got opening day.

  • PassTheCheetos

    I still cant believe that Art Shell hired a guy who was running a bed and breakfest. Art Shell was a top notch player and his first stint as a head coach was pretty good. His second stint as a head coach was an embarassment.

  • AZ Raider

    C’mon guys were we really expecting more from the D this year? Well maybe a little more but we knew they were gonna suck. I expect to be improved on offense however. Again, I think Russell played well as well as Zach Miller.

  • bombs4ya

    it’s not just the d-line the o-line is soft also.
    gonna be interesting when we face the chargers ( who i think can be taken but always seem to kick our o-lines ass physically down the stretch )
    the steelers, the ravens, the ny city giants
    the redskins the jets these will definitely b the best defenses we will face and philly who blitz like crazy.
    i said it once i’ll say it again i like our talent on offense. i think it will be exciting to watch but when we play these phsical teams thats gonna be the hard part to watch ( on offense )
    defensively thats another story………..

  • PassTheCheetos

    I was impressed with Louis Murphy, yes i know he dropped two balls that would have been first downs and fumbled another one. Rookies make mistakes. Had he caught those two balls we’d be talking about what a good game he had, had he not fumbled also, we’d be saying he had an amazing game. Point is, if he can cut down on the rookie mistakes he can be very special this year. I know a lot of people are hoping Javon steps it up and can hopefully soften the loss of Chaz, but really I think our best bet is hoping Murphy can cut down on the rookie mistakes. I think by the time Schilens comes back from his injury, him and Murphy will make a formidable duo at the wide out position.

  • RaiderRockstar

    i’m not convinced we can beat the donks or chefs.

    i don’t even want to think about the dolts!

    seems like the team has regressed each week so far in the preseason …

  • priesttj

    Can anyone in here gaurantee that this game will determine everything we do this year?

    As bad and as ugly as it was it was still a preseason game for LEARNING. My attitude is that hopefully this sounds enough of an alarm that this will be a blessing in disguise.

    IMO it was one of those where we did everything wrong and they did everything right……..it happens and probably wil again during the season.

    Just a sobering thought! I don’t think this was going to win the SB anyway. I think this year is purely one in which we will establish some players as legitimate starters in the league and give us an opportunity to finish biulding a great team. I think the visions of granduer are what comes crashing down when you see something like what happened Sat.

    This team is very young and propensity for things like this are very probable. Murphy is a rookie so is DHB and DMC and Bush are als very young not to mention Russell. So sober up and get ready for an up and down season while they LEARN.

    And next offseason we’ll add more pieces. Enjoy this year for what it is a year in which we re=establish ourselves as players in this league. If anything else happens better then GREAT.

  • inonewordraider

    heard Tony Gonzalez on the Dan Patrick show being asked about team bullying him and he said guys on the Raiders used to try to intimidate him. He specifically mentioned how Romanowski would cheap shot him when no one was looking, tug on his facemask, and even punched him in the face various times. Nnamdi is a solid player but we need a Romo or 2 on our team. I can only hope Mike Mitchell is one of them

  • bombs4ya

    we also need some vet leadership i don’t think we have anybody on our team with post season experience maybe ellis i don’t know .we need somebody who will stand up and kick somebody’s ass. we know it ain’t russell he’s still too young . namdi should get in the face of his defense provoke fight point the finger and challenge these suckers who want to be content on being content. but not just him . we need a big figure with freakin heart and desire to make this team accountable.

  • Florida Pete

    PassTheCheetos Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 8:04 am
    I was impressed with Louis Murphy, yes i know he dropped two balls that would have been first downs and fumbled another one. Rookies make mistakes. Had he caught those two balls we’d be talking about what a good game he had, had he not fumbled also, we’d be saying he had an amazing game. Point is, if he can cut down on the rookie mistakes he can be very special this year. I know a lot of people are hoping Javon steps it up and can hopefully soften the loss of Chaz, but really I think our best bet is hoping Murphy can cut down on the rookie mistakes. I think by the time Schilens comes back from his injury, him and Murphy will make a formidable duo at the wide out position.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    think about that…

    Murphy catches those 2 balls… Jamarcus is 14 for 18…

    doesn’t fumble and Jam’s yardage numbers go into the 200s… (with the 2 additional catches)…

    Murphy is still a trainee… but he needs to catch and hang on to those balls…

    Jam had a much better day than people give him credit for… the fumble simply wasn’t his fault… (that’s right, i said it… go ahead and hammer me!!!)…

    i’m not saying Murphy shouldn’t start… but they need him to focus, get his confidence up, and keep an eye on him…

  • priesttj

    This team and the coaches are still in discovery. Guy’s are losing and winning jobs as we speak. No one knows what this team will look like by the bye week I really think they will develope over the course of the season.

    The problem we have as fans is we want resolution NOW, and that just is not going to happen.

    Give this team and the coaches a chance to develpe a team that they can win with but that wont happen over night……..period

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Don’t worry, with the next John Madden at the helm, the best owner is sports, an offense that is impossible to stop, DTs that are dominant and have to be doubled all the time, a solid front seven and an underrated RT we should be great this year!

  • inonewordraider

    I am also happy w/ the performance of Murphy. My buddies were bashing him but I saw a guy fighting out there who took his lumps and won’t make those mistakes in the regular season. Our O has plenty of weapons but is very young so we need confindence and time to build a rythm and chemistry. Don’t know if our Dline will give us enough time to do so this year however

  • RaiderRockstar

    this team needs leadership. thats why guys like Jeff Garcia & Greg Ellis speak up. thats what leaders do

    Lorenzo Neal & Derrick Brooks would also be welcome additions. too bad we gave up on both.

    Russell & Nnamdi aren’t leaders. more like team spokesmen. same with morrison & fargas. nobody follows thier lead and they don’t hold other ppl accountable

  • priesttj

    Bombs4ya, You’re exactly right! but that has to happen naturally it can’t be phony or contrived. So those guy’s probably are in the lockeroom but haven’t stepped forward yet but trust me they eventually will.

    I read that Gallery was calling out his linemates during the game and I can’t remember who else on defense did as well. Ellis had is say after the game.

    Again this is a very young team IMO the leaders will step forward as the seaon developes.

  • Norco Bob

    TJ,..if you said anything negative, would that upset Mike Taylor?

  • Norco Bob

    By the way, Gary finally back, in 30 minutes.

  • Florida Pete

    priesttj Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 8:06 am
    Can anyone in here gaurantee that this game will determine everything we do this year?

    As bad and as ugly as it was it was still a preseason game for LEARNING. My attitude is that hopefully this sounds enough of an alarm that this will be a blessing in disguise.

    IMO it was one of those where we did everything wrong and they did everything right……..it happens and probably wil again during the season.

    Just a sobering thought! I don’t think this was going to win the SB anyway. I think this year is purely one in which we will establish some players as legitimate starters in the league and give us an opportunity to finish biulding a great team. I think the visions of granduer are what comes crashing down when you see something like what happened Sat.

    This team is very young and propensity for things like this are very probable. Murphy is a rookie so is DHB and DMC and Bush are als very young not to mention Russell. So sober up and get ready for an up and down season while they LEARN.

    And next offseason we’ll add more pieces. Enjoy this year for what it is a year in which we re=establish ourselves as players in this league. If anything else happens better then GREAT.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    i hear you and agree with a lot of what you say…

    here’s the problem…

    by the time we get all those pieces at the rate of 3 or 4 per year…

    well… we all know that contracts expire… and as of now there is still a salary cap…

    so by the time we get our lines set… how many free agents will we need to deal with???

    here’s some examples:

    Thomas Howard will be a free agent after this season…

    so will:

    Morrison
    Janikowski
    Watkins
    Wade
    Routt
    Reese
    Rankin
    Morris
    McQuistan
    Lawton
    Holland
    Gunheim
    Greene
    Gradkowski
    Eugene
    Condo
    Barnes
    Alston

  • RaiderRockstar

    Interesting.

    Packers cut rookie DE/OLB Sulak (didn’t fit a 3-4 defense either?)

    Patriots cut Kevin O’Connell in favor of Andrew Walter to back up Tom Brady!

    weren’t we rumored to want O’Connell in a trade for Burgess a few months back? now he’s available …

  • Norco Bob

    TJ,..Im calling Gary today and I am going to talk about Mike Taylor and how hes a cancer in the building, and how you are his little errand boy on the internet.

  • Norco Bob

    No wannaberocker, we were never rumored to want oconnel, you are making that up.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    PFT – A source within the otherwise impenetrable walls of One Arrowhead Drive advises that the Chiefs have fired this morning offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.
    ……………..

    lol

  • OAKlifer

    Norco……

    For calling me out yesterday and telling me I must have no life I Must pose this question to you how can you be in here more than any other member of the nation and have any kind of life what so ever????

  • Norco Bob

    75, you think its funny they fire a guythat sucks?…we keep people around that suck instead of firing them,..they are smarter then we are.

  • Norco Bob

    nolifer, Im not here that much, it just seems that way because my posts are the best and it only seems like Im always here.

  • priesttj

    I say whatever I want, I don’t work or answer to anyone. Mike is my friend nothing more. But so are others over there.

    I just see things my own way. Anyone can be negative I choose to look at things the way that I do.

    I really like Cable, I told many in here when Russell was looking his worse that he would be one of the bright stars in this league for many years and I still believe it.

    I told everyone in here that Jake Grove was a good center and everyone laughed. Their not laughing anymore. I’m trying to get them to understand that Warren is not nearly as bad as they say. But they wont realize it until he’s gone.

    I think T Kelly is going to have a great year. This year has to be one where we establish Bush and DMC as dominant players. Losing Chaz almost made me cry…..literally! Murphy and DHB will have great games and some lousy ones. We desparately need Walker to come in and contribute as well as JLH. Our TE’s might be the best in the league as a group.

    I’ll say this Garcia looked very good Sat. Russell could learn a ton from him. But Garcia has to accept his role for that to happen.

    Gotta go, too much to get done today.

    Adios!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Thomas Howard will be a free agent after this season…

    so will:

    Morrison
    Janikowski
    Watkins
    Wade
    Routt
    Reese
    Rankin
    Morris
    McQuistan
    Lawton
    Holland
    Gunheim
    Greene
    Gradkowski
    Eugene
    Condo
    Barnes
    Alston

    ***

    Ricky Brown & Sam Williams as well Pete. I think we should let most all of these cats go. test the waters in FA. the team doesn’t need so many scrubs.

    Thomas Howard will be resigned. the winner of Morrison/Brown will also be resigned IMO

  • Norco Bob

    nolifer when you post its immidiatly forgotten, mine get talked about for hours, makes it seem like Im always here,..but you are actually, you loser.

  • Norco Bob

    TJ,..losing chaz almost made you cry?…literally?…lol,..total loser.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Bobby: that was a rumor, i wasn’t making it up. google it clown

    75: I think Todd Haley is a better play caller than Chan Gailey. If Gailey was indeed fired … bad news for us. Cassel will probably be back before Week 2 as well.

    we need to focus on us. the chiefs aren’t just going to roll over. I doubt the Saints would have beat them 45-7. Maybe 38-14 though. LOL

  • Norco Bob

    Lol, ok wannaberocker,..tell you what, YOU go google it, thats what losers like you do all day, google this google that,..I dont need to.

  • Norco Bob

    Catch you “people” later,..have a great day. Im out.

  • priesttj

    Florida Pete, That’s what management is for you resign the ones you want and mix and match to biuld the team you want.

    Here’s the difference between the last 7 years and now. We have a QB that can stablize this franchise. Trust me that is a HUGE difference. Now biulding a line is not that hard we probably can get by with what we have and still get better. I really don’t think most understand what Dez Bryant can bring to this team. T Scott and Matt Shuaghnessey can play they’re just young. That’s 3 very young Dlineman, we have an extremely talented and young secondary. Very deep at the safety position as well as corners. Get a great LB at either SLB or MLB preferably MLB and this defense can change immediately.

    Adios gotta go!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Bobby: you’re afraid to prove yourself wrong and get educated. thats what losers do. they make a statement or prediction with nothing to back it up and refuse to look for the truth

    go pop some pills and dream about another tailgate party with 20 49er fans ready to drill you in the poopshoot. qu33rboy

  • priesttj

    Norco Bob, I know that’s pretty sick crying over a WR but it’s true. Man we needed that kid. Pass me the pills Bob. lol

  • RaiderRockstar

    trade Trevor Scott and move Desmond Bryant to DE.

    sign Jon Runyan and cut Cornell Green.

    those moves will make us a better football team.

    unfortunately I think monkeys will fly before any of these things happen …

  • OAKlifer

    Norco Bob Says:
    August 29th, 2009 at 10:02 pm LATE
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 1:02 am LATER
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 9:27 am Early
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am Still kina early
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm wow almost all day
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pm still on huh bob???
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 7:09 pm gotta be getting old by now???
    Norco Bob Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 8:31 am Wow up and at em!!!

    Not to mention any of you other personalities you post so much nonsense in here so many times a day you are the reason the server sucks so bad and the rest of us have to suffer…pop a pill go surfing catch a n A’s game but man dnt waste ur life in here calling out other Raider fans we use this site to chat and get through the work day stay informed…for You this blog for self affirmation and social networking you my friend have no life..but in fear of you getting one and being a productive member of society i.e driving, short oprder cooking at in And Out…please stay in here and wallow in ur self pitty and drug induced lack of REAL knowledge……..Please we have enough rejects driving and cooking

  • RaiderRockstar

    OAKlifer: sorry I wasn’t able to join your fantasy football league bro. I tried

    did you fill the last 2 remaining spots?

    what Kool-Aod can you pour on the Raiders most recent loss?

    Cable’s Raiders really got pummeled. worse than Cable’s HC debut last year against New Orleans. I didn’t think that was possible!