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Roster trimming appears underway

The following players were not present as the Raiders ended stretching and special teams work to begin practice:

G Marcus Johnson, C Jonathan Compas, WR Shawn Bayes, WR Will Franklin and DT Joe Cohen.

It’s possible the Raiders gave themselves a day’s headstart to reach 75 players.

Among those who were not suited up were S Rashad Baker (stinger) and CB Nnamdi Asomugha (chip fracture). LB Slade Norris (calf) was not on the field, nor was wide receiver Chaz Schilens (broken foot).

Those who looked to have returned to practice are C John Wade (stinger), out for the first preseason game, and DE Matt Shaughnessy (foot sprain). LB Kirk Morrison is suited up, but his left elbow as heavily wrapped and it remains to be seen how much he’ll practice.

Practice closed to the media following stretching and warmups starting today. Will update later after briefing from Cable and player interviews, if available.

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  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    okay

  • LA to TheBay

    No surprises there. When does Sands get cut? Lets give Bryant some PT. Wonder what Cable’s approach to this week’s practice will be.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    I don’t know if getting rid of Sands makes us better or not. Were pretty weak depth wise but,cutting him could make room for some one who contribute.

  • Richochet

    OAKlifer Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am
    Then come back and report how you feel.

    ********
    Done and I feel like I smashed you again…

    I read my statment which awnsered all your questions bout me….

    and in conclusion…..

    JUST A FEW TIDBITS….no one in here likes you and you get owned by everybody…….run along son…ur subway shift is about to start….

    Besides typing blog after blog with his frantic cut and pasting, I’m sure the little dude is peering out his window every 20 seconds for little green men looking to take over his mind. And I’m sure his nervous twitch and frothing at the mouth doesn’t freak out any of his co workers.

    Oak, don’t waste your energy on little Ricky until he calms down. See, he drinks 8 Red Bulls every morning before his breakfast of Red Vines and a line of speed.

    a niner fan is what he is
    and he has the mouth to prove it
    a niner fan he’ll always be
    let’s be nice, don’t abuse it

    Your still mad you’ve been getting punkt in here for like a week straight? I’m putting you back on my ingnore list kido.

    OK so read above and tell me who sounds like they are on the playground making fun of a kid on the swing?

    LMFAO!

    You do it to yourself… What a tool.

    What are you in here blabbing about now Rackoshit?

    Damn your pathetic. What do you get out of posting here? I’ve never seen such a loser.

    ***************
    And the beat goes on……
    ===========================
    Richochet: See? You make NO SENSE.

    First you whine about me cutting and pasting (see, kind of hard to know what someone is referring to otherwise..but..I digress) and here your whole post is YOU CUTTING AND PASTING..except you’re too damn slow to figure out how to do it properly, or to make it be sensible.

    Why cut and paste your comment, then reply, then cut and paste Beeechbitch’s comment, then reply, with no breaks?

    MAKES NO SENSE.

    Is it too much for you to give everyone the impression you aren’t a full blown clod?

    Or do you care?

    Oh..lifer? you live in what city? Does that question stump you?

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Ricoshit do us a favor and cut and paste your head out of your ass then repeat ,it might take a while.

  • LA to TheBay

    As I don’t post much, I selfishly, and sometimes foolishly, consider myself the voice of reason occasionally, so here goes.

    My assessment of the offseason so far, Saturday’s game, and the future of the team.

    1. Preseason game in which Cable did nothing but call passes that went to rookie wideouts and occasionally TE’s and RBs should alarm us but not to the extent some of us are perceiving this loss to be.

    O not really the issue. We’ll run the ball in the regular season, DMC will be in the slot, Bush will be in the backfield (or together in pro), with Fargas on the pine pony. Meaning our O will be on the field longer and that JV team we call a defense will be on the field less.

    2. Silver (and Black) lining: We all know the D can play when they want. This D. Same one, same players did so a few times last year. Sub Burgess for Ellis, Branch for Wilson, and its basically the same.

    The need to make some stops and play discipline football. we will have to rely heavily on our secondary, cuz the front 7 isn’t much.

    3. Desmond Bryant looks great.

    4. Scott looks terrible.

    5. Russell looks great. High completion percentage, throwing to WRs, no INTs.

    6. O line is serviceable. Rookie WRs will come along, DHB is already getting doubled and hes caught what, 2 three passes? Plus, Chaz will be back soon.

    7. What else can Cable really do with regards to discipline? He spent the first week of camp working on all that. Team showed none or very little of that Saturday. A few FAs or a trade cant do much unless its a player, like Ellis, these punks can (or should) respect.

    8. We will look a lot better than this come opening night. We’re still pretty vanilla. That being said, we’re in store for a lot of 100 yard rushing performances.

    I mean from other teams, not ours.

    This team will continue to suffer until we start replacing these ATHLETES with PLAYERS.

  • hellsbells

    Good cuts, not so sure about Johnson. We need a young rg, and a new RT. Sands should be cut prior to cut down day. Big dont mean shiyt if you sorry. Barnes needs to get healthy ASAP so we can see if he is the answer at RT, could delay us from picking up a suprise cut.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    That was curious Cable forced the passing game ,i guess to get some reps for Murphy and other potential targets for Russell.

  • Richochet

    I have a feeling the Raiders will be VERY BUSY signing other team offcasts, don’t you?

    Let’s see..you need help at D line, O line, WR, Dback.

    15 new players should do it.

  • hellsbells

    Good players get cut all he time, your a dumb ass.

  • LA to TheBay

    Richochet, you seem to be spending quite a bit of time on a blog about a team its very clear you hate.

    What happened, did Marcus Allen f**k your girl?

    Are you an ex- Al Davis employee?

    Mike Shanahan?

    Lombardi?

    Wait, I got it.

    Jerry McDonald?

  • No More Infield or Trolls

    Check it out…

    *Rackoshyt says…

    “Cut and Paste! Cut and Paste! My Name is Richochet!
    Cut and Paste! Cut and Paste! My mom thinks I am gay!”

    “I love to come to this here board where the men are big and strong!”
    I post some really stupid stuff and get slapped here all day long.”

    “For I love Michael Crabtree! He’s my favorite 49′er.
    He whipped me with his penis once and gave me a lovely shiner.”

    “Been so long since have I’ve seen him. My dreams they are a crashin’.
    He’s got the greatest football skills but I really miss his fashion.”

    “I’m hoping that The Raider Fans will help me grow a sack.
    And hoping Mr. Crabtree will help me paint it Silver & Black…”

  • LA to TheBay

    Cable probably uses Thursday’s game to showcase Rankin and Gary Russell before he cuts them. Perhaps also to determine whos 3rd QB.

    Very tough to see him doing anything with starters or anything resembling a regular season game.

    Maybe more Javon Walker. Give Bryant a chance. Line him up at DT, RDE, lol SLB.

  • CJ Legend 34

    *******LA to the Bay******

    Nice Post!

    Thanks for talking about a real thought out football perspective. Some of these clowns on this blog are not even talking about the game they are actually jaw jacking and most likely jacking back in forth like little a$$es. This blog has been taken over by dope heads, drunks and nerds who never even touched a football before. It is nice to have someone with common sense comment for a change.

  • LA to TheBay

    We really wasted a great opportunity Saturday to gameplan for a strong opponent and execute what was practiced.

    Still, I don’t see the Seattle game being anything out of the ordinary for a 4th preseason game.

  • CJ Legend 34

    Javon “take a walk” Walker

    Has to get some more time on the field so we know what he can do. You have to test a head case like him ASAP and often.

  • LA to TheBay

    CJ

    14

    Preciate it. I love the opportunity to talk Raider football. Sometimes I get sidetracked (see post 11), but I think most of us, even the knucklheads, know football, but frequent the site so often, it becomes a January d;ck measuring contest in Wisconsin, and valuable insight becomes limited while trying to defend opinions and call out others for theirs.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Expect a ton of screens from Sandy Eggo Monday night. That and a lot of jump ball to their receivers.

  • Richochet

    LA to TheBay Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am
    Richochet, you seem to be spending quite a bit of time on a blog about a team its very clear you hate.

    What happened, did Marcus Allen f**k your girl?

    Are you an ex- Al Davis employee?

    Mike Shanahan?

    Lombardi?

    Wait, I got it.

    Jerry McDonald?
    =================
    Hate??

    Au contraire’.

    What’s to hate?

    It’s a never ending source of entertainment.
    Do you realize how many times I get genuine laughter from what the Raiders do?
    What Raider fans say?
    How Raider fans act?
    Way the Raiders play?

    It’s a smorgasbord of chuckles.

    I mean, with other teams, the offseason means you wait endlessly for something/anything to give you a football fix..but with the Raiders?
    Offseason is the Raiders stage..

    the yearly search for a new HC alone is worth the price of admission.

    Draft day? lol..Raiders never fail to provide “OMG..He signed WHO??? ARE YOU FRIGGIN SERIOUS??”

    Training camp? It’s almost enough material for a full 20 episode sitcom.

    What’s not to like? :)

  • LA to TheBay

    I agree with regards to Javon. I know they’re being cautious with him, but at some point prior to opening night, they have to cut him loose.

    I have a feeling he can make Russell look real good this season.

    It seems hes ready to come back and be productive, if not explosive.

    What a story it would be to see him be a player in this league again after all the sh;t thats happened to him recently.

  • hellsbells

    I think we should let Bryant try taking over Scotts place on rushing downs also he seems to have adequate quickness. Then kick him back inside on passing downs to allow Scott to rush the passer. They have to see Scott can not hold the edge. Also put Ricky Brown at SLB and let Morrison countinue at MLB. Brown is just to small. Alston sucks. Maybe with some experience Norris could be a option at SLB.

  • BadMoodGuy

    LA To TheBay Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    As I don’t post much, I selfishly, and sometimes foolishly, consider myself the voice of reason occasionally, so here goes.
    ———————-

    Then knowledge that you could be wrong isn’t seen much around here. Hence your voice does carry more weight.

    I would change #4 to

    4. Scott looks terrible against the run.

    I’d expect a lot of runs right at him until something changes.

    It sure seemed to me that during this summer, the Raiders prioritized attitude more than any other single factor. I hope it continues into next year and beyond the expected lockout the following year.

    Cable bumaye this year, Raiders bumaye next year.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Did some one fart , Oh its just Richoshit again.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Maybe we should ask the Seahawks to play patty-cake with us instead of tackle football during the 4th preseason game so that we can get back to basics?

  • LA to TheBay

    Richochet,

    So I take it in the unlikely event the Raiders are a decent team, will u be snatching at straws or giving credit where credits due?

    The team looks bad. Has for a while.

    Its been bad before, and we’ve brought it out of the cellar. No reason we can’t do it again.

    Hopefully your team will entertain you, as ours should only entertain us, and they can only do so when winning.

    Its getting old being the butt of a joke and having guys like you rubbing it in. But, hey, thats football. If your team was getting being used to mop the floor, I’m sure I’d be laughing at their expense and yours as well.

    Alls fair in love and football, or something corny like that.

  • beeecham

    I can safely say Lil Ricky is fast becoming one of my favorite little bloggers of all the newbies.

    I even kind of like the fact that he’s wacked out on medication and still able to post – however disjointed. That takes dedication, a quality I demand in a follower. Don’t worry, dudes, he’s not in my Top 10 yet, but damn if he isn’t making the effort.

    Anyway, looking forward to more of his frantic cut and pasting and incoherent ramblings as the season goes on. And it’s always enjoyable to see him go down in flames at the hands of the older dudes on the blog.

    Keep it up, old timers – you still got it!

    Speaking of old dudes, man I hope poor Krappy survived the night. Poor old goat was desperately trying to get everyone to read some lame link he found and posted it about a dozen times.

    That’s about the number of lines Lil Ricky will snort at lunch to maintain minimal brain function.

  • LA to TheBay

    Then again, Richochet, you sound like a classic Raider Hater. No respect for the team you hate, because you have no team of your own.

    I’ll get roasted for this, but I respect the Broncos, Chiefs, and Chargers. Toss in the Steelers and Pats as well.

    Doesn’t mean I have to like them. Considering our record against said teams recently, its hard not to respect them.

  • OAKlifer

    glad Baker is still here!!!! hope he stays

    Cj I hope my smashing racko was not misconstrewed as me not wanting this organization to return to glory…I ran down my opinion of the game chated aliitle before my meeting then got back to see troll had taken over so I smashed a little but make no mistake….I for one care about turning this thing around!!!

    La to TheBay,

    3. Desmond Bryant looks great.

    He looks real sharp maybe more of a DE tho…he is to slender to stuff gaps and stop the run he looks like a TE next to Warren and Kelly..I hope this guy is here for a bit to prove if he can play!!!

  • CJ Legend 34

    LA to TheBay Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm
    I agree with regards to Javon. I know they’re being cautious with him, but at some point prior to opening night, they have to cut him loose.

    I have a feeling he can make Russell look real good this season.

    It seems hes ready to come back and be productive, if not explosive.

    What a story it would be to see him be a player in this league again after all the sh;t thats happened to him recently.

    —————————————————–
    Yeah, if J Walker does catch on like wild fire, I will be hot for him all the way….oops I mean, I would really like to see him perform…oops I mean, I would reaaly like to see him grow long, I mean go long and take it real deep…See LA to The Bay I can joke every once in a while as well. LOL!

  • OAKlifer

    4. Scott looks terrible against the run.

    I’d expect a lot of runs right at him until something changes.

    **********************

    FREE JAY RICH……

    30 sum tackles and 3 sacks in spot duty last year let the kid play!!!!!

  • CJ Legend 34

    OAKlifer Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
    glad Baker is still here!!!! hope he stays

    Cj I hope my smashing racko was not misconstrewed as me not wanting this organization to return to glory…I ran down my opinion of the game chated aliitle before my meeting then got back to see troll had taken over so I smashed a little but make no mistake….I for one care about turning this thing around!!!

    La to TheBay,

    3. Desmond Bryant looks great.

    He looks real sharp maybe more of a DE tho…he is to slender to stuff gaps and stop the run he looks like a TE next to Warren and Kelly..I hope this guy is here for a bit to prove if he can play!!!

    ————————————————-

    I know Oaklifer -I guess I am just in the dumps after witnessing Saturdays game. It is not the O man, it is the defense I am worried about. They played so soft. I have actually witnessed JV football teams make more contact and hit harder than those guys. They were actually arm tackling in the NFL. NO shoulder pads were required.

  • CJ Legend 34

    OAKlifer Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm
    4. Scott looks terrible against the run.

    I’d expect a lot of runs right at him until something changes.

    **********************

    FREE JAY RICH……

    30 sum tackles and 3 sacks in spot duty last year let the kid play!!!!!

    ———————–

    Yeah, Jay needs to be back out there. The other DEs are getting pushed around like rag dolls. Our LBs sure do suck!!

  • OAKlifer

    Oh..lifer? you live in what city? Does that question stump you?

    ****************

    sorry guys Im not sure racko has even ever read a map……..im going to help him out….

    Vallejo (pronounced /vəˈleɪoʊ/ or /vəˈleɪhoʊ/ in English; /baˈʎexo/ in the original Spanish) is the largest city in Solano County, California, United States. The population was 116,760 at the 2000 census. It is located in the San Francisco Bay Area on the northeastern shore of San Pablo Bay. Vallejo is named for General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo.

    LINE THREE WORD TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    CITY…I know very hard to understand……

  • LA to TheBay

    Lifer,

    I agree about Bryant. I guess I should specify.

    Hes not physically suited for the postition he currently plays.

    That being said, Al & Co. play pass rushers at the DT spots these days, and in the current system, stands a good chance to be a better DT than any ahead of him on the depth chart.

    At least hes got a motor.

    Kelly is getting there, Warren shows up 40% of the time, and we all know how Sands plays.

    Kelly continues to take the double teams and free up Bryant to get after the QB. About the only option we have cuz Brown is too small, Kirk doesn’t shed blocks (not that we’d blitz them anyhow), and Scott is just getting enveloped by O lines out there.

    I’ll take quality play where and from whom I can get it.

  • OAKlifer

    They played so soft. I have actually witnessed JV football teams make more contact and hit harder than those guys. They were actually arm tackling in the NFL. NO shoulder pads were required.
    ***************************************

    No doubt man this has got to change if this is the “culture” or “fundamentals” that Marshall was talking about he has done nothing to improve!!! This is not a GAP controll problem this is a we need 7 more guys to step up on d=D if we want top look respectable its past gap assignments these guys have been playin “most of them” for 10 years or more and they dnt know what GAP to shoot….HARD to believe…They better step it the F up come SD opener or we will be embarassed!!!

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot
  • OAKlifer

    I wish Frantz was still in camp..He would have played big in the middle or what if we had drafted Petes boy Brinkley…We need better play out of our LB’s!! If J Rich steps up Kelly keeps taking double teams and Ellis continues to work hard our line might shape up with Bryant and his motor!!!

  • OAKlifer

    Lynn we should be scouring like this!!! He is garbage it sounds like but our Dline is not much better talent wise……..teams are making moves cuts signings fits non fits lets do some house cleanin guys get a few fresh bodies in here looking for work…lets not be left behind….

  • CJ Legend 34

    OAKlifer Says:
    August 31st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    They played so soft. I have actually witnessed JV football teams make more contact and hit harder than those guys. They were actually arm tackling in the NFL. NO shoulder pads were required.
    ***************************************

    No doubt man this has got to change if this is the “culture” or “fundamentals” that Marshall was talking about he has done nothing to improve!!! This is not a GAP controll problem this is a we need 7 more guys to step up on d=D if we want top look respectable its past gap assignments these guys have been playin “most of them” for 10 years or more and they dnt know what GAP to shoot….HARD to believe…They better step it the F up come SD opener or we will be embarassed!!!
    —————————————————–
    Oaklifer you got that right dude! They can try to paint the picture any way they want. But I saw guys get to the runner and put their hands out to make a tackle and notput any pop!!! Into it. The hard contact is what breaks the opponents backs. No wonder runners can get 150 yards a half on us. We don’t give them enough migrane headaches and make their legs feel like jelly. I played aginst Tyrone Weatley in highschool and the only way you could beat him is to gang tackle like crazy and someone had to him hard and low because he was a high runner even in the pros. If not, guys who love the run and are fast will kill you! They smell the blood like a shark. You have to hit them hard from play 1. We need a d@mn hitter with heart!!!

  • CJ Legend 34

    We need a hitman out there. Branch needs to get mad enough to hit like he did in college!!! Mitchell needs to come back cracking pads as well. These guys don’t play mad enough for me on D!!!!

    Ronnie Lott never would have taken this BS, he would have been doging these guys!!!!

  • LA to TheBay

    My guess is we start out poorly and start to click, nuch too late, as was the case last year.

    I was hoping to pick up where we left off, and thats still entirely possible, but I think we hit the reset button and won’t look righ until after the bye.

    If this offense becomes dynamic, we can win even with srubs on D, or at least improve.

    Arizona showed us last year, you can be a one-dimensional offense, lousy defense, win your division and play like hell in the postseason.

    I want all these chumps in the media and football world in general to eat their words and have the Raiders feared and respected once again.

    Winning that MNF opener would do us some real good. I mean like morally, spiritually, and mentally.

    I think the lack of talent can be overcome with a winning attitude and the desire to win.

    Another comment I’m sure to be roasted for, but F it. If we had 53 Rick Browns and Justin Fargases, we’d be in a lot better shape.

    Not enough talent to win the SB, but enough heart to change our ways and get better.

  • priesttj

    Bryant is playing the 3 tech, which he is suited for but he can also play the 5 and I think they will actually play him there some to help with the run. He actually played very early in the Saints game so he is accending rapidly. I don’t know why we played as bad as we did Sat. but if they use the players they have better they should get better results.

  • RaiderRockstar

    why cut Cohen and keep Sands?

    do they think Sands has trade value? LOL

    give this Cohen kid a shot. what have we got to lose?

  • CJ Legend 34

    Our LBs are soft as spreaded cream cheese. They like they are a bunch of d@mn over weight corners out there playing LB. I wish Cable would please tell them that their job is to get up in the hole square and make a tackle. None of them deserve credit for always making tackles 2 yards plus behind their line of scrimage.

  • LA to TheBay

    Ya, we have a bunch of super-quick, undersized LBs who can’t hit, wrap, or penetrate.

    They’d probably be pretty damn good in coverage (See: Howard, Thomas) if the DLine got penetration.

    Even Tom Brady very recently said the style of D the Raiders play (4 man front with man coverage on the outside, saftey playing over the top) is the scariest.

    Al’s philosophy still translates. Othe r teams play that kind of D.

    Difference is they have players, not just athletes.

    Forget coaching, forget philosophy. I have really been looking at this carefully lately, and I feel its personel.

    I think Cable will dump the scholarship system (with perhaps a few exceptions) and play his best players where they’re the most productive. Problem is, he doesn’t have a whole lot to choose from.

  • Thec07

    We have 1 football player, and 52 guys that play flag football. Greg Ellis…

  • OAKlifer

    justin fargas…..

    nnamdi….

    just sayin……..maybe 3 and 50

  • Thec07

    Any football player that parties before a game, or parties at all during the season is not serious about the game.

    Any one that quits during a game is not serious nor do i consider that person a football player.

    team is not hard, it is super soft, like a softy cone…

  • OAKlifer

    Thec,

    you know I respect your opinion brother….But Stabler would disagree as I do to this statement..

    “Any football player that parties before a game, or parties at all during the season is not serious about the game.”

    Back then They loved the game they played thats why they could party and still win games ….now days kids hold out for contracts and sign shoe deals its not about the football any more its about the money and staus qou these “kids” just cant handle it…..

  • LA to TheBay

    Thec, I think we got some players on this team.

    McFadden
    Fargas
    Z. Miller
    Gallery
    Murphy
    Nnamdi
    the Law Firm
    Ellis
    CJ

    and possibly Bryant.

    I know hes a rookie FA with 0 pro playing time, but hes got a motor and looks like he gives a sh;t, which is more than I can say for the rest of the roster not mentioned here.

    Others that are coming along and could or will be players

    Myers
    Russell
    Bush
    DHB
    Scott
    Branch

    Honorable mention to Ricky Brown cause he plays hard without much talent.

    Notice a lack of DLine players mentioned?