Update: Pats confirm Seymour to Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, September 6th, 2009 at 8:44 am in Oakland Raiders.
Have the Raiders attempted to address their issues with run defense with something other than gaps and discipline?
According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, help will arrive in the form of Patriots defensive lineman Richard Seymour for a first-round draft pick in 2011.
The Patriots have confirmed a deal is in place, according to the Boston Globe.
An NFL Network report includes quotes from Patriots coach Bill Belichick.
“From the day he arrived in 2001, Richard Seymour established himself as one of our premier players for nearly a decade,” Belichick said. “His presence has been felt as a force on the field, a respected man off it and a multi-year champion.
“Any transaction we make is with the goal of what is best for our team, and, as difficult as it is to part ways with a player of Richard’s stature, many factors were taken into account when we considered this trade. As an organization, we feel the trade with Oakland brings sufficient value and is in the long-term interest of the club. We are extremely grateful for the huge impact Richard’s elite level of performance had on our success and we wish him the very best during the rest of his career.”
Seymour, 29, is a five-time Pro Bowl player, plays end in a 3-4 defense and it remains to be seen if he’ll play tackle in Oakland or if the Raiders defense will encorporate more 3-4 looks. Early in camp and occasionally in the preseason, defensive end Trevor Scott has been playing without a hand on the ground as a standup linebacker.
Seymour’s last game film against the Raiders mostly showed him being handled by Mario Henderson in a game won by the Patriots 49-26. Al Davis cited that game, as well as subsequent efforts by Henderson against Mario Williams and Gaines Adams, as evidence Henderson had arrived as a left tackle.
Over the last six years, Seymour’s Patriots teams have a 77-19 record, winning 10 or more games each season. Over the last six years, the Raiders are 24-72, losing 11 or more games each season. Seymour was a rookie in 2001 when the Patriots beat the Raiders 16-13 in the “Tuck Rule” game.
The Raiders practice today at 12:30 p.m., with media availability to follow . . .
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September 6th, 2009 at 8:47 am
wow
September 6th, 2009 at 8:47 am
finally
September 6th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Great job Al!!!!
Sorry Trevor Scott, but you need to step aside now.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:48 am
High draft picks we don’t need, players we do
September 6th, 2009 at 8:48 am
now get shaun smith
September 6th, 2009 at 8:49 am
We need him to play DE, he should take over Trevor Scott spot.
Maybe move him inside on passing down along with Kelly, with Scott at DE.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Now if we could get one more proven d line man we might stop somebody
September 6th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Well, at least no one will be able to mock us for our first round pick in 2011. They’ll have to wait till the second round. Seriously, though, this is a gamble worth taking, although if the Pats were willing to cut him loose, you kind of have to wonder if something’s wrong. I’m sure the Pats fans are high-fiving each other, thinking to the low draft pick they’re certain (in their minds) to get out of the deal.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:52 am
It might have been a high price to pay, but the Run D and D-line is so bad, something drastic had to happen if they wanted to be serious about contending for the division this year.
So who gets cut to make room on the roster? Todd Watkins would be my choice.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Now sign Pollard, Freeman, and Tony Pashos or Meredith.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:54 am
First this is my first post been reading the site for awhile, but finally broke down and registered
This should make the DL much better and Seymor can hopefully play DT well (playing DE in a 3-4 is like a DT in a 4-3) I’m hoping the starting DL looks like this
RDE Jay Richardson with Trevor Scott coming in on passing downs
DT Tommy Kelly
DT Richard Seymor
LDE Greg Ellis
September 6th, 2009 at 8:55 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Man im crying……is that bad? Man im glad we got a true threat on the dline!!! This guy has to be doubled the whole game and then he still gets it done
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I am choked up right now too. This makes up for skipping certain positions in the draft. This is outstanding! No other way to put it.
A Pro-Bowl D-Lineman in his prime…not at the end of his career….in his prime.
And yes, they will sign him long-term. No way you sign a guy like that without having a contract waiting for him!
September 6th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Seymour adds a winning mentality to a defense that would fold under pressure.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:57 am
No we don’t need one more dline man…well we could use another body for depth but I think we should go after a better run stopping LB, then we will have arrived, on paper that is! Lol
September 6th, 2009 at 8:58 am
To give up a top ten pick in the 2011 draft for a guy who is 29 and has been on the decline the last two years and a little dinged up (according to Patriot Fans, and also they say we got took)might be too much.
Ok all of that aside this is a HUGE upgrade over Turd Sands!!
Ground control to David (Sam) Bowie pack your bag and clean your locker out…
Now if he, Greg Ellis and Nnamdi can take control of a this defense and lead as experienced veterans and some of these young guys start to follow….we may have turned the corner.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Tommy KELLY next to Richard SEYMOUR!!! HOLY SHYTE!
Now, please lets get someone to replace TScott (JRich perhaps on run downs). Undersized no more.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
SnB,
As it turns out, Richard Seymour, Gregg Ellis, Desmond Bryant and Matt Shannessey were ultimately added to the D-line. That is quite the commitment to improving the D-line, although it didn’t seem like it on draft day, they have now addressed (about as much as you can in one offseason) the D-line issue.
Now if we can only get some LB’s………..
September 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Good move. Something needed to be done, that’s for sure.
Now sign Pollard, Pashos, and Mahan, and we might have something here.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
The biggest win…is that the Oakland Raiders are entering this season with a clarity of what they have on the roster.
No more projecting middling players into superstars…that’s Cable’s influence. They have a better feel for what and who can do what.
No imaginary illusions of that defensive line. EVen they saw how bad it was and how change had to come.
Outstanding. Now, just make the right decision on the Running Back depth chart and we are all set.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Yes I agree SnB we got a dude in his prime and that is what we need especially facing SD wk 1
September 6th, 2009 at 9:00 am
This has the potential to give us 2 or 3 wins more this year. A veteran presence that has seen how it should be done.
The other players MUST follow his example though or this will all become a punchline.
I hope it all works out.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Maybe we are trying to make our base 3-4 warren-seymour-kelly
Ellis(scott)-brown-morrison-howard
Scott and Howard have the speed to be good olb in a 3-4 but I don’t know if scott still has that speed since he got bigger but if he still does it will be a lot easier for him to rush from an upright position than with his hand on the ground since he’s so small and ellis just came from a 3-4 defense
September 6th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Sign Pollard!!!
Sign Pashos!!!
Sign Freeman!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Seymour is going to be an end folks, he won’t be in the middle too often (too thin). He is an exceptional pass rusher who can hold the edge on running plays, EXACTLY what we needed. No since trying to teach him a new position a week before week 1.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:01 am
i like this move alot if he stays healthy
September 6th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Like I said last night: If this defense actually shows up this team can go places real fast! That 2011 pick could end up being #20 something.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Sounds like the Patriots are going to rip the Raiders off again. You don’t trade a first round pick for a 29 year old defensive lineman. Besides, the Patriots are a lot smarter than Al Davis.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Please stop with the 3-4 talk. You need 4 good LB’s to run that, we have 1 MAYBE 2. You need LB’s who are good at blitzing, and we don’t have a single good blitzing LB (Ricky Brown sadly might be our best).
September 6th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Actually now that I think about it this is a great deal because Al would have wasted that pick on a track star anyway(possibly Usain Bolt)
So yeah this is good!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I don’t know Vegas. He could be either DE or DT. I too would prefer him at DE replacing TScott making it Ellis/Kelly/Warren/Seymour.
But he can easily play DT as well. We’ll just have to see what Cable says today. But I’m with ya.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Who cares about that 2011 1st round pick! We’ve got a big payroll because of all the 1st rounders we’ve signed in the past.
Richard Seymour in 2011 will be better than any rookie D-Lineman in that draft.
Now sign this guy long-term…get him his money…so he will be “motivated” on week 1.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:06 am
da haters gonna say we dumb ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I would rather have proven players than high draft pick with potential.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Sht put Seymour as the base end and Ellis at RDE …I don’t know, I’m just stoked …can’t even think straight right now.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:09 am
yall know we can get dat pick back right ? we got commodities. bruce gradkowski.. fargas .. bush … j.lh. kikk returnin … give some team a 2nd and kaliff barnes for a first maybe?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:10 am
b) my madden team is gonna be ignant …
September 6th, 2009 at 9:10 am
And for the record – When we got DHall I was NOT stoked …I had to convince myself it was a good move ..it took a long time …but I knew deep down it was bad.
But I’M STOKED ABOUT THIS MOVE!!!
All I worry about is his transition and where they’re going to use him. But I’m not worried much at all because NE ran a 4-3 3-4 hybrid so he’s used to it.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:11 am
now if only we could get shaun rogers.. and da linebackers. morison is good enuff. his d line just lets him down .. howard is above average, hell just rotate 3 guys every drive for the 3rd linebacker spot /…
September 6th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Maybe seeing our run defense against the Whiners and Aints made AD do it. WOW. I’m in.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:11 am
GOOD NEWS: good to get rid of a 1st round pick,preventing us to pay guys like DHB tons of 1st round money for 2nd round players.The way we waste 1st rounders,great trade.Saves us all that cash on another bust (dont get me wrong,not calling DHB a bust,just not gonna get bang for that buck) Decoy like james jett,in theory!
BAD NEWS: Seymour probable has lost a step and got beat out by Brace (we know what happened with oakland/brace) or Burgess is looking like a monster off the end,considering seymour place a hybrid of dt/de
Also means Weird Al don’t have much more time on this earth. He’s going for broke because he’s probably not gonna be around in 2011.Another case of us giving away our players to new england on the cheap,and paying a premium to recieve new england players.I still like Seymour,if he’s got any gas in the tank.I wouldve been ecstatic if this trade was 2-3 years ago
September 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I’m going to wal back to my bed, get back in it, and wait for the alarm to go off. No way I just woke up to Richard Seymore on the team. Not possible.
GNite yall!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am
5-Time Pro-Bowler in his prime.
Instantly becomes the best D-Lineman on the team.
Becomes the 2nd best defender on the team.
Now have 2 good corners and at least 2 good D-Lineman.
This coupled with getting rid of Garcia has me feeling much better than I did 24 hours ago!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Just replace scott with seymour and BINGO WE GOT ACTION Lt and Rivers get ready
September 6th, 2009 at 9:13 am
One more player needed
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September 6th, 2009 at 9:13 am
stoopid u krazy . the dark lord al davis will reign for at least another 10 years …
September 6th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I would rather have proven players than high draft pick with potential
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Yes!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:14 am
dumb trade
September 6th, 2009 at 9:14 am
they hate me online on madden 10..
… life i sgood …
September 6th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Why didn’t Al trade the 2010 pick?
Taylor Mays!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Finally, the realization that our Dline did not have the athletes to compete in the NFL.
All of the gap discipline, technique and improved pad level in the world can not upgrade inferior talent at the NFL level.
Sands is finally gone. Burgess was way overpaid given his injury issues and negative attitude.
I would say that the next poorest value on the roster is a toss up between Warren/Kelly.
Given Kelly is coming off his injury he gets another year to produce. (He will never produce up to his contract).
Warren at $5mil a year is a joke and probably ought to go.
I would much rather have a hungry young player than an overpaid cast off like Warren.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:16 am
z) i miss turd ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I also believe this is a ploy.al knows the ship is already sinking,so he does things like this (brings in high profile name players) so the raider nation has new found hope and we renew our plans to buy tickets.its all about hope.Im not trying to be negative,love the raiders.Just trying to look at things in perspective
September 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am
taylor mays ? u mean eric berry
September 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Why didn’t we offer Fargas and a 2nd round pick ?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Nice! Now all the cry babies on here can shut their pie hole and we can go about whipping San Diego in the Blackout game in the Black hole Monday night!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Sey at LE
Warren DT
TK DT
Ellis at RE
What about Bryant!??
September 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
This makes me so mad that im going to miss the first game
September 6th, 2009 at 9:19 am
fargas and a secon rounder ? umm no.. patriots not dumb. dey got backs. dey got fred taylor and maroney .. maybe dat texans can use fargs ,, cant think of another team…
September 6th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I love the move if Richard Seymour is here past this season. His contract is up at the end of 2009, and going into an uncapped 2010, Seymour may rebuff the Raiders on a contract and wait to see what the big market bears. I’m assuming Al will do his best to pay him a hefty amount of money (hell he paid the Turd and Kelly big bucks, without either one proving themselves). Also, as a lot have been mentioning, Al Davis doesn’t have a great record as far as number 1 picks go anyway, so this way we know we have an All-Pro talent for at least the next 3-4 years… That is if he signs.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:20 am
“For once, the Raiders are taking a gifted player from the Patriots rather than vice versa. The Patriots fleeced Al Davis for receiver Randy Moss and acquired pass-rusher Derrick Burgess this summer.” – ESPN
I love it! A good well-regarded free agent!
Outstanding!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:21 am
hmm.. the texans do have xavier adibi on the bench bedind demeco ryans and brian cushing.. . ?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Sign Tony Pashos!!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
It’s real simple …
Kelly and Seymore need to play next to each other.
LDE Shaugnessy
DT Kelly
DT Seymour
RDE Ellis
Bryant, Scott, Warren, and Joseph off the bench.
CUT RICHARDSON!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
BTW, on my remaining wish list is a Fargas trade for Hawk in GB and maybe then we could get Kevin Carter to reconsider his retirement.
Maybe even Levi Jones too.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:23 am
if pashos comes 4 da cheap then sounds good. he can play guard .. but his agent wants big money .
September 6th, 2009 at 9:23 am
stoopidmike Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I also believe this is a ploy.al knows the ship is already sinking,so he does things like this (brings in high profile name players) so the raider nation has new found hope and we renew our plans to buy tickets.its all about hope.Im not trying to be negative,love the raiders.Just trying to look at things in perspective
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Naw, they saw the state of the current D-Line and realized they needed an impact player there. All the experiments weren’t working.
So they go and get one of the best. The Pats did the move because of salary cap considerations…not because they wanted to lose the guy.
Pats fans aren’t happy about the trade.
You know this is a good deal…provided they can keep him beyond this year!
Good deal for Oakland and makes the D-Line a good one now. I have no problem with Ellis, Kelly and Seymour….
September 6th, 2009 at 9:25 am
morning craig…..
just thinking out loud Dorian.It’s an instant upgrade to a pi$$ poor Dline but I think the pats came out of the trade better than we did.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:26 am
yall know whats funny..? da pats fans on every blog comments are sayin what?! please let it be for asomugha ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Cut Green!!!! Sign Pashos!!!! Sign Meredith!!!!!!!
Cut Williams!!!! Sign Marcus Freeman!!!!
Cut Walker & Watkins!!! Sign Pollard!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The latest of great players who are no longer great,..pass the Norcos please….well there goes us getting the guy with the best 40 time in 2011.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I feel like the Rock got on the Mic and Said,
“Finally!!! The Rock…Has come Back!
To Oakland!”
I’m Geeking out punching O2 in the face…IN THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:27 am
one patriot fan said da next trade belicheck will make is him trading himself to detroit .. we arent da only dillusional fans ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:28 am
McFadden and Rankin are a solid 1-2 combo …
We need to trade Bush for a stud LB and our defense is set.
I’d also take a stud RG or RT for Bush.
And you Bush lovers, I could care less if it’s Bush or McFadden who gets traded. Whoever the #2 guy is needs to go for the good of the team.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:29 am
i just cant believe chowder fans thought they woulld get aso 4 seymour ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Watch out for O …
I’m going to start calling you the slasher!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Norco,
Your guy Garcia couldn’t beat out Gratkowski and Frye. That’s ok though. I am sure there are teams beating down the door to get Garcia’s services right now.
Seymour is still a great player. Just finished up with a solid year…8 sacks. They couldn’t sign him and Vince Wilfork and Tom Brady. Not enough money.
This trade is a win for us and the next best alternative for the Pats….a win/win for a change
September 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
70. Hey that’s kind of funny, in a “It must be cocktail hour, eh” sort of way.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Brien the General Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Holy fuck what? I just woke up from a long night as usual! What the fuck? My god that Hennessey has gotta be fucking with me! Tell me it aint so
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Yes Brien, there is a Santa Claus
September 6th, 2009 at 9:31 am
pats site say team tryna sign wilfork though .. now they got more mula..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Hawk!!!
Trade Fargas!!! Cut him!!!!
Cut Bowie!!!
Sign Freeman!!!! Sign Pollard!!!
Cut Williams!!!
Sign Pashos and Meredith!!!
Cut Walker & Watkins!!!
Cut Green!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Oops pow surprise…Oh!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:34 am
The Raiders dealt number one in 2011 because that top pick will have bonus of about 43 million, and they likely will possess it,…so they would have traded it for a bag of peanuts.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Trade Bush? You guys f’n crazy?, we need to get on the phone with Jax they need RB’s like crazy and we got Rankin or Fargas, I’m sure they’d take Fargas. Someone get these fools on the phone to see if they got anyone we might want.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:34 am
damn i wake up this morning and see we have richard freakin seymour!!!! i hope all of you guys can stop complaining about the defense cuz we just got alot better. a whole lot better. a proven guy who is a winner that will hekp us. garcia and sands gets cut, cal whipped ass last night and now we got seymour. thats what im talkin bout!!!!!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Jhill,
Trade Rankin, but keep Bush!!
Thunder & lightning, and not Lightning & Lightning!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Morning Gentlemen! Way to rise and shine! Turn on the cpu, and we got Seymour huh?! I’m bout to run a victory lap around the hood barefoot! Lol
Love that thinking Dorian – Adibi was a monster at Tech and he is just what we need on the strong side
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Norco Bob Says:
The latest of great players who are no longer great…
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He’s talking of Garcia of course! Hahahaha
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Damn, all we need now to make me officially shit myself is a RT. Cornell Green is probably still giving our boy Jamarcus sleeping problems!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 am
# jhill Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:28 am
McFadden and Rankin are a solid 1-2 combo …
We need to trade Bush for a stud LB and our defense is set.
I’d also take a stud RG or RT for Bush.
And you Bush lovers, I could care less if it’s Bush or McFadden who gets traded. Whoever the #2 guy is needs to go for the good of the team.
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Nope. You are wrong Jhill completely wrong. Who is your in between tackles Bruiser? We dont have a big back then with what your proposing. Nope no way and no how. Al Davis is high on Bush. No way that happens. you living fantasies brother
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I just spoke to brien the playa,…he convinced me that this deal is solid,…thats all I needed to hear,..thanks bro.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Man, my next crap is going to be pretty sweet!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
a pro bowl calibre D-lineman in the hand
is worth any oblique arguments of a future draftee in the bush
September 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
# Raider O Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Jhill,
Trade Rankin, but keep Bush!!
Thunder & lightning, and not Lightning & Lightning!
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Looks like someone had pork this morning. This is completely wrong as well.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I read that Zack Follet from Cal got cut. That dude can pass rush.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Who been cut to make way for Seymour ? Nothing on nfl.com or the Raiders own site.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
yeah cornell green .. ? hmm? kendall simmons can play guard , he still out there.. move barnes to right tackle.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
We run the ZBS cut back system, remember? Run to one side, cut back up.
McFadden and Rankin are just fine at that.
And like I said, trade McFadden then if you love Bush. A backup for a starter is not even debateable.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
somebody send al a email = xavier adibi .
September 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Life’s full odf surprises now, isn’t it? Yeeeee haaaa!
OK, so he’s not fresh out of the box… But the guy doesn’t miss games due to injury, he’s definitely an upgrade over Trevor Scott AND he takes some pressure off the LBs… Hey, Scott’s a medium sized DE – make him a situational 4th linebacker or something…
1st round pick? Who cares… look at how well the last 5 went for Big Al…
Go Raiders!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Sorry….. who’s been cut.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Just having Seymours experience makes the team better , these guys have sucked so long I hope he can bring a winning atittude to a disfunctional defense.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:41 am
armond Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:34 am
damn i wake up this morning and see we have richard freakin seymour!!!! i hope all of you guys can stop complaining about the defense cuz we just got alot better. a whole lot better. a proven guy who is a winner that will hekp us. garcia and sands gets cut, cal whipped ass last night and now we got seymour. thats what im talkin bout!!!!!!!!
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No more complaints from me on the defense. Let’s go.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I’m starting to think they’ll put him at DT in our scheme and utilize the 3-4 a tad bit more.
According to Raiderbeat he played DT in NE before they switched to the 3-4 where he kicked out ot DE.
David White makes a solid point – if Seymour won’t sign the Raiders would just franchise him for 2yrs. Still Al, has to sign him long term to make it worth it. His last days must be RAIDER.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Not sure what you guys are trying to acquire, but I’m looking for another impact player like we got today. You are not going to get that player by giving up Fargas or Rankin. Are you kidding me? You may be able to pull that off with the GMs in your fantasy leagues, but that’s just not going to happen in the real world. 1st round picks, or really good players to get something in return. Again, reference today’s trade.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Remember the guy we cut has to offset Seymour’s salary hit.
I say it is Warren at $5mill a year.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
neilb Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Who been cut to make way for Seymour ? Nothing on nfl.com or the Raiders own site.
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Won’t find out until the media does its headcount before practice starts
September 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
we do not need to trade bush.there is a draft next year and free agency. u cant solve all of your problems in one offseason. we just got seymour to upgrade the d. why trade bush who gives us a great attack on the ground? bush allows us to dominate on the ground and hes a good receiver. dont f up the momentum being greedy. what dominant lb is available right now anyway? we have a better chance finding some young guy caught up in a numbers game.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:43 am
da defense still has a major issue. not even the linebackers / hello!? ouir safeties may be da dumbest in da league. da absolute dumbest .. huff is a complete puss and da other guys just dnt posses play recognition skills. .
September 6th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Charlie Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Remember the guy we cut has to offset Seymour’s salary hit.
I say it is Warren at $5mill a year.
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That will be next year. This is Gerard Warren’s last year. They will give Warren’s bloated salary to Seymour!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:43 am
and we still come out ahead.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:43 am
thanks
September 6th, 2009 at 9:44 am
man. ole miss d tackle gerg hardy . is da truth
September 6th, 2009 at 9:45 am
i mean defensive end ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:45 am
I think they still have one more deal to pull off before the opener. We’ll see.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Only way we win opener is if we pull off trade for Phil Rivers.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
snb i know u have been stressing over the defense as much as others and for good reason. i wont say i knew this would happen but i didnt think they would let this continue after this preseason. they looked worse than last year and i think they knew that. alot of people hated that we always trade with the pats but not this time. i do agree with u tho about those tweener types. we could have taken brinkley, follett or sintim out of va. some talk about follett getting cut but he may have made the team here cuz we are so thin.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Vegas,
Depends on where Seymour lines up. If he is going to be the DT, then I see William Joseph getting the boot.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Bush will not be traded.Why ? Because he’s cheap,a 4th ruound draft picks wage.If anyone will be traded it will be Fargas.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:49 am
My guess would be Watkins getting the ax.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:49 am
norco i would really like to mma fight u ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Do we NEED to make another trade? Depends on what the goal is.
We could probably stand pat and win the AFC West. I thought we were a 7 win team before this trade and I think 8 wins will win the division. Let’s say that Seymour nets us 2-3 additional wins. If your goal is 10 wins and a division title, then we are probably there now.
Why not shoot a little higher?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
We need LBs, Oline, and a S (if Mitchell is not ready).
Sign Marcus Freeman, he can play MLB & SLB.
Sign Tony P & Meredith!!!!!
Sign Pollard!!
Cut Watkins!
Cut Green!
Cut Williams!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Norco Bob Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Only way we win opener is if we pull off trade for Phil Rivers.
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LoL, now that Garcia is gone, your still looking to send Russell to the curb eh?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
the patriots are thinkin of da 011 salary cap ..
September 6th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Yep, they ain’t done yet, they’ll get one more big name in here before next week.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Seymour might see some time on the inside on passing downs, but he will be our RDE 90% of the time he is on the field. He is a Pro-Bowler and one of the best in the league at that position, no need to change.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am
damn it !!! 4th round not ruound
September 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Norco Bob Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Only way we win opener is if we pull off trade for Phil Rivers
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Keep reaching guy. Keep reaching! JaMarcus Russell is the QB! Say it with me. JaMarcus Russell is the QB!
Where is Garcia? What team is he going too. Another backup player trying to masquerade as a starter
Next to the Seymour trade, getting rid of Garcia was the best move of the offseason
September 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am
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September 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am
SnB
Who do you think goes?
I still think Warren.
We need to get the cap down.
It has to be a guy with a decent salary.
Fargas?
I like the guy but it is obvious we are getting rid of poor VALUE players. Not sure Fargas is going to get many touches.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:54 am
William Joseph?
He’s playing better than Warren. I’d cut Warren like you were saying earlier and just give Seymour his $.
Then your all you summer wishes would have essentially come true. Sands and Warren gone, and a pro bowler added. Not bad.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:55 am
neilb Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Bush will not be traded.Why ? Because he’s cheap,a 4th ruound draft picks wage.If anyone will be traded it will be Fargas.
exactly right! it makes no sense to get rid of a cheap young talent like bush who is a part of our future. being greedy can undo what weve just accomplished. this aint madden where u can just get guys right before the season and take off. what top lbs are available? maybe he allows morrison howard to do their job better. one thing is for sure is they have no more excuses too stuff the run now. we have 2 3rds and 2 4ths next year and who knows what other deals we make for the draft.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:55 am
next year brandon spikes anyone? hell ill take taylor mays now!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:56 am
RDE in the 3-4 and RDE in a 3-4 are not the same thing. When they went to a 4 man line, I remember Seymour being at DT.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:57 am
3-4 and 4-3 *
September 6th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Madden? LOL!
Relax …
Did you know Seymour was available before you woke up this morning?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:00 am
You guys have your opinion, I have mine. It’s all good.
If you would prefer to keep a backup RB who may get 10 carries all game instead of trading that player for someone who could play the whole game at MLB, RG, or RT (all clear positions of need), then I say fine. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:00 am
jhill Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:54 am
William Joseph?
He’s playing better than Warren. I’d cut Warren like you were saying earlier and just give Seymour his $.
Then your all you summer wishes would have essentially come true. Sands and Warren gone, and a pro bowler added. Not bad.
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LOL! I think they will keep Warren for the remainder of this year. Any new deal given to Seymour will have those pro-rated bonus games in it. So the salary cap won’t be the big issue. The issue is do they want to keep 5 DTs or not. Or maybe they keep them all and start moving players around based on down and distance….You know, different looks…
JHill, Today is fine morning to be a Raider fan!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:01 am
It certainly is SnB …
It certainly is!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:02 am
They are nowhere near the differences of DT or LB between the two. The easiest transition from 3-4 to a 4-3 is for the ends.
Why would we want to teach him a new position with a week to go before the season starts? Has he ever started a game on the inside? NO. Situational, sure he will see time in the middle. Pash-rush situations, goalline….
September 6th, 2009 at 10:03 am
could we be trading fargas for whatever draft pick we can get next year? there was no way rankin was getting cut after that seattle game. n miller made the team with his return abilitiy and j miller played himself out of a job. he did have turf toe to be fair but he always got lit up too much anyway. funny to hear espn radio down play the raiders saying that 2011 pick will be a good one. we have 2 years before they see that pick. by then we should be a playoff team and that pick wont be as good as they think.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Ellis, Kelly, Seymour, Shaughnessy/Scott
or
Seymour, Kelly, Warren, Ellis
or
Ellis, Seymour, Warren, Kelly
Who knows….I will leave it to the coaches!
We have a 5-time pro-bowler on the D-Line.
Hell Yeah!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:03 am
# jhill Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
We run the ZBS cut back system, remember? Run to one side, cut back up.
McFadden and Rankin are just fine at that.
And like I said, trade McFadden then if you love Bush. A backup for a starter is not even debateable.
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Remember they wanted to add power to the run game? Thanks. Dmac will be in the game at times in the slot and split back with Bush. No it isnt even disputable what you are saying because then who in the fuk will be the short yardage big back? I’ll wait
September 6th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Why are you saying teach him a new position? DT is not a new position for him.
So you’re saying
LDE – Ellis
DT – Kelly
DT – Warren
RDE – Seymour
?????
September 6th, 2009 at 10:04 am
What are you waiting for? I said trade Bush or McFadden. The argument is the backup. Again if you want to keep a backup player over a starter, then it’s whatever. Do what cha like …
September 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
LDE: Ellis, with Nessy and Scott providing backup
DT: Warren and Kelly, with Joseph and Bryant backing up
RDE: Seymour, with Richardson and Scott switching in
At least that’s what I would do, but again who am I
September 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
seymour and warren in the middle, ellis and tommy kelly back at de….i like it
September 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Great pick up. The trade is already paying off. We might actually have a day on this board where we won’t hear about how much Al Davis sucks at GM. So far so good. We unloaded Walter and Burgess and got future picks for them both. Walter’s already been cut and Burgess is not working out in NE at all. And now we get a player that is coming off of one of his best years. Hey and Shaun Smith just got cut. that might be a nice pick up.
3-4
Seymour
S. Smith
Kelly
Howard
Morrison
Brown
Ellis
or 4-3
Richardson/Scott/Shaunessy
Seymour
Kelly
Ellis
Howard
Morrison
Brown/Alston
bring on the Bolts!!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am
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September 6th, 2009 at 10:07 am
jhill u clearly didnt see m first post regarding this cuz i said i didnt see this happening. your opinion is valid but the timing is wrong. like i said what top lb is available? it cant be just anyone if youre going to give up bush. yes i do agree with u about rankin. i trade him for a good lb. i just dont get the need to trade a guy who will be a big part of this teams future. u are wrong about bush getting 10 carries. if the raiders are stupid enuff to do that then i would agree with u. i just dont see what lb is out there. thats why i said this aint madden.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I feel that a front four rotation of Ellis, Kelly, Bryant, Seymour, Shaughnessy, Scott, Joseph and Warren is a solid one.
Our linebackers with the exception of Howard are suspect in my book.
But I agree with Raider O. The right side of our O-Line sucks and must be addressed. Green and Carlisle are not the answer in my opinion.
I would take Tony Pashos and play him at either Right Tackle or Right Guard. Then hope we can get Khalif Barnes back soon enough.
But we are only IMO two impact players away from seriously challenging San Diego for the division ON PAPER at least.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Sure is a lot of Raider – Pats business going on. When is Belechick’s contract up? Hmmmmm!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:08 am
JHill,
Seymour is a “situational” DT and a Pro-Bowl all-NFL DE. Lets let him do what he does best, hold the edge on running plays and provide a consistant blind-side pass rush.
Besides, RDE is easily our biggest hole on the line, let’s fill it with a Pro-Bowler, instead of putting him in the middle and either starting Richardson, Scott or Nessy at end, still leaving a big hole at end.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Sorry Armond if I missed something.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:09 am
DT42 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Great pick up. The trade is already paying off. We might actually have a day on this board where we won’t hear about how much Al Davis sucks at GM.
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LOL!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:10 am
also what if this move does somethingelse like motivate the team? that whole locker room should be jumping for joy now that they have a credible leader on this team. none of these defensive guys have an excuse to underperform now. guess the old man still has it right?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Tony Pashos
Zack Follett
Shaun Smith
Need to be in alemeda taking physicals.
Not sure about the seymour trade. we allwasy get F@ked by NE…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I mentioned trading Bush in here a year ago and was called a antichrist. If we get a lineman that played every down he would be out of town.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Vegas,
I really don’t care where he lines up. The fact that he will be in the top 4 is good enough for me. I just really think that Kelly and Seymour next to each other would be a load in the middle. I could be wrong though.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
One of our rb’s need to go. Faga$$ time has come trade him to NE for the 2025 5th rounder.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
jhill Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Vegas,
I really don’t care where he lines up. The fact that he will be in the top 4 is good enough for me. I just really think that Kelly and Seymour next to each other would be a load in the middle. I could be wrong though.
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AMEN, no need to split hairs here, wherever he lines up he will help us substantially!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Good trade, but why do the Raiders always deal with the Pats? Does Al have a red/white and blue phone that he uses as a direct line?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
SnB is in heaven. Glad to see you excited!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
“Seymour is a “situational” DT and a Pro-Bowl all-NFL DE. Lets let him do what he does best, hold the edge on running plays and provide a consistant blind-side pass rush.”
Agreed….play him at his best position and let the other team worry ’bout him.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Full disclosure, I’m a Pats fan that wanted to get a Raiders’ take on this.
From my view, this could potentially be a boon for the Pats. They gave up one year of Richard Seymour’s services, as they have a handful of potential FA’s to address that would almost certainly have precluded the re-signing of Seymour. The big money extension required to keep Seymour is now the Raiders’ responsibility, as will be the soon to arriving, less productive high dollar years of his extension.
In return the Raiders have given up what is sure to be high first round pick. Their defense is awful and clearly more than one player away from respectability… Jamarcus Russell could very well be a prodigous bust on his way to being among the worst starting QBs in the league… the coaching staff is in utter disarray and may be completely overmatched… and most importantly the team is run by a stubborn old man that the modern game has clearly passed by. From an unbiased point of view, there is little reason to think that the Raiders have much hope of being competitive, much less playoff ready, any time soon. They could in fact be the worst team in the league in two years with no first round pick to show for it.
The absolute best case for the Raiders is that this is a fair trade that works for them short term. In the worst case, they just got fleeced.
Anyone care to disagree?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Leave it to the coaches to figure out where Seymour plays. See, now the coaches have options. Seymour suddenly makes these other players better. Sets up situations. Have a healthier rotation which makes fringe guys like Warren and Joseph better.
This was the caliber of move on the defense I was pleading for all year. A difference maker on the D-Line. Just needed at least 1 guy and now they have it. Greg Ellis at DE and now Tommy Kelly has some talent around him that should allow him to step up his game.
I have criticized the Raiders personnell moves. Not this morning. Great move…better late than never!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:17 am
jhill its all good. im like u with the lbs but lets be patient. espn is still hating like a mug. hahaha. now they sayin we will be losing 35-10 and go from a 4 win team to a 5 win team. now they hatin on cutting garcia what a bunch of losers hahaha. they say that garcia was pushing russell and russell coulnt handle it, what a joke. we get a probowl winner for a draft pick 2 years from now and its a bad move. yeah but the media doesnt raider hate. even 1140 is hatin, bastards.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:17 am
great thing about this pick up is that he is versatile. we can match him up every week against the weaker player. Plus addition by subtraction with Sands gone. Can’t wait for week 1.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Seymour is 6′6 310 …
September 6th, 2009 at 10:19 am
My god guys stop it!!! Tommy Kelly isnt going back to DE. Raiders paid him to be a UT plain and simple
September 6th, 2009 at 10:20 am
GREAT deal…WOW where did that come from?
The Raiders need to find better back up DB’s. This area is gonna kill us if either of our corners goes down. The backups are not gonna cut it
September 6th, 2009 at 10:20 am
“Seymour is a “situational” DT and a Pro-Bowl all-NFL DE. Lets let him do what he does best, hold the edge on running plays and provide a consistant blind-side pass rush.”
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I agree 100% Let him do what he DOES BEST. The right side of our defense was constantly getting TORCHED for big run plays. Ellis and Seymour at the two end spots is excellent. Let Scott, Richardson and Shaughnessy back them up.
Kelly, Bryant and Joseph in the middle is fine. I would cut Warren and get Shaun Smith as well. Just my opinion.
But new blood on the D-Line is needed. Not comfortable, inconsistent, underachievers like Warren.
If we can make one more move on the D-Line, and then upgrade the right side of our O-Line to give J-Mac enough time to find the open receivers, I will be geeked up.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Andrew 44, IMHO at first glance seems like another a$$ f@K we get year after year from the patsies.
You watch a lot of ESPN right?
Question for you, have you seen jamarcus play? Before you comment on a player you should do some research at least.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Warren still sucks
September 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Remember, AD has no fear of using the Franchise Tag if he does’t sign. Ask Nnamdi.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Kush yes, I’d cut Warren too. Fuck him
September 6th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I have mixed feelings about this. A first rounder is a lot to give up, but at the same time we needed a real defensive threat on the line.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:22 am
# vegas raider Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:08 am
JHill,
Seymour is a “situational” DT and a Pro-Bowl all-NFL DE. Lets let him do what he does best, hold the edge on running plays and provide a consistant blind-side pass rush.
Besides, RDE is easily our biggest hole on the line, let’s fill it with a Pro-Bowler, instead of putting him in the middle and either starting Richardson, Scott or Nessy at end, still leaving a big hole at end.
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agreed
what I would do in those “situations” is put him in the QBs face more and move him to the left side looking for better matchups against the fatties down the line on passing downs.
and on the 1st & 2nd downs he can use his experience to sniff out a possible PA-pass and even push a LT back into a play to be effective from the blind side facing possibly more one on one situations then in a 3-4
situational DT sounds good to me…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Andrew33,
How many 1st round picks become 5 time Pro-Bowlers, 20% maybe. This was a fair trade long-term, short-term your team got worse today and the Raiders got better.
BTW, in 2006 and 2007 the Pats 1st round picks were Maroney and Merriweather. Not exactly Pro-Bowl material.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:23 am
hey pats fan stop makin excuses. u dont know what the raiders will be like 2 years from now when u see that pick and if we suck so much why the fukk are u here?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:24 am
The Pats wont be able to cheat anymore. Your team is getting old. All your staff has been raided for years now. The Fins are the best in your division and will be for years.
The Raiders are on the way up. Setmour will be a huge help. Most top ten draft picks are not worth the huge contracts.We get a pro bowler with good years left. You talk about him being unproductive yet he had a great year last year. And Al is running the show now. We will move back into the top half of footballs elite.
The Pats have been a joke historically untill Brady & Bellacheat snagged up. Get ready for the downhill slide. Good luck with our 2011 pick. There may not even be a 2011 season.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Pats fan…..time will tell.We’ve got a pro-bowl player and an instant upgrade to our Dline.Okay,he’s a little old and money may be a problem.
You’ve got a high pick….potential,that’s all,and who can tell where we’ll all be in two years time.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Yeeehoooo I already upgraded my madden 10 roster!!!!!! Booya!!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:25 am
What the f@K happened to the raiders during that tuck rule game against the pats. we have been like the farm league system for them…..
Not happy or sad about the trade….
Can we bring in:
Tony Pashos
Zack Follett
Shaun Smith
September 6th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Raiders still need a run stuffer next to Kelly if Seymour is to play RDE like all you guys are praying for
September 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am
One hole at a time Brien, Rome wasn’t built overnight.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am
andrew33 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Full disclosure, I’m a Pats fan that wanted to get a Raiders’ take on this
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Andrew33,
This is an excellent move by Oakland. The defense here has some decent talent in spots but had some big holes. The holes were so big that they consumed the entire defense. Seymour plugs the biggest hole which is a physical D-Lineman that can play the run AND get to the passer. He makes some the decent to good players better. For example, a guy like Tommy Kelly can’t get double teamed as much with Seymour on the D-Line. This gives him the opportunity to be a differnce maker. Kelly getting better gives Ellis more opportunities on the edge…a guy that you were trying to go after yourselves.
As for our linebackers, our delicate to the touch linebackers, now they won’t have as many Guards and Centers charging down on them on every run play. This SHOULD allow them to use their speed and crash the line and make plays.
If we can slow down the run and put some pressue on the QB, that makes our secondary better. And that’s this team’s strength.
As for the future, we are ok provided we sign Seymour long-term. Seymour at 29/30 should have a good 4 to 6 years of elite ball left in him. Given that our defense was indefensible up to this morning, this trade HAD to be made.
Also, hopefully Seymour’s influence can rub off on guys like our rookie DT Bryant, Jay Richardson and Matt Shaughnessy.
THis is a great deal for the Raiders!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Shuan Smith should be in alameda signing a contract after passing the physical.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I’d prefer a fat space eater next to Kelly but in Seattle john Marshall’s run stuffing DTs were Seymour’s size
September 6th, 2009 at 10:27 am
andrew33 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Full disclosure, I’m a Pats fan that wanted to get a Raiders’ take on this.
From my view, this could potentially be a boon for the Pats. They gave up one year of Richard Seymour’s services, as they have a handful of potential FA’s to address that would almost certainly have precluded the re-signing of Seymour. The big money extension required to keep Seymour is now the Raiders’ responsibility, as will be the soon to arriving, less productive high dollar years of his extension.
In return the Raiders have given up what is sure to be high first round pick. Their defense is awful and clearly more than one player away from respectability… Jamarcus Russell could very well be a prodigous bust on his way to being among the worst starting QBs in the league… the coaching staff is in utter disarray and may be completely overmatched… and most importantly the team is run by a stubborn old man that the modern game has clearly passed by. From an unbiased point of view, there is little reason to think that the Raiders have much hope of being competitive, much less playoff ready, any time soon. They could in fact be the worst team in the league in two years with no first round pick to show for it.
The absolute best case for the Raiders is that this is a fair trade that works for them short term. In the worst case, they just got fleeced.
Anyone care to disagree?
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Yeah. Go F yourself. You obviously know nothing about the Raiders except what you hear from the clowns on BSPN who all predicted Jeff “Didn’t make the 53-man roster” Garcia would be starting in Oakland sooner rather than later. JaMarcus is going to be an elite QB. The Raiders will be competitive in 2009, assuming Seymour helps the run D issues. Hope we see your azzes in the playoffs, if you make it there.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am
pats fans want to rationalize this move. hey jackass if the raiders go to the palyoffs and its a mid to lates 20s pick then what will u say? stop suckin all that espn deek and get over it. we finally got a damn pro bowler in a trade between us and it hurts your ass this time. dont feel good to get doggy styled huh? oh u may like that!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Andrew33 says,
a stubborn old man
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wassup MR?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Kush it is only logical
September 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am
im so happy i meant playoffs
September 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Brien<————-not a fan
September 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Shaun Smith maybe? To replace underachieving ass Warren? Any thoughts on that?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Brien the General Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Raiders still need a run stuffer next to Kelly if Seymour is to play RDE like all you guys are praying for
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True, but if Seymour goes to RDE, at least the edge won’t get wiped out play after play after play.
Seymour should give Marshall some more options on his playcalling. If Seymour is the RDE he will be forcing runs to the inside, at least that won’t spread out the defense as much
September 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Brien<————wonders how negative MR and Dude will be about this move
September 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Like Hayes says …
It’s a great day to be a Raider fan!
The question you have to ask yourself is what does Norv Turner, Josh McDaniels, and Haley think about having to face Seymour instead of Scott?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Andrew33,
Go ask Tom Brady what he feels about the trade. Guarantee he isn’t excited about giving up one of the teams best players for the “potential” of 2011 1st round pick, who MIGHT be a pro-bowler by 2013.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:32 am
SnB Good points man
September 6th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Good for the Dolts…
Shawne Merriman busted for battery, false imprisonment
Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2009 1:22 PM ET
The days prior to the 2008 regular-season opener were dominated by discussion regarding whether Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman would be able to play due to a torn PCL.
This year, the question is whether Merriman will be able to play after allegedly assaulting a D-level television celebrity named Tila Tequila.
Merriman allegedly “choked and physically restrained” Tequila as she tried to leave his San Diego residence.
He was taken into custody at 3:45 p.m. local time and charged with battery and false imprisonment. Tequila was taken to a local hospital for treatment.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:33 am
– Rookie Zach Follett would be a good pickup, IMO. Great production at Cal and great measurables. Don’t know why he couldn’t make the cut in Detroit, but worth a flyer.
– Is Zach Thomas totally cooked at this point, or could be fill in for one season at MLB with Kirk kicking outside. Put Seymour, Thomas and Ellis in that front 7 and I think you get dramatically better effort out of the physically talented Warren and Kelly. Not worried about T-Howard at all. Scott could come in as a situational pass rusher.
– I’d get Bernard Pollard, cut Bowie and make Huff a full-time corner. I think Huff’s only chance to really succeed in this league is at CB. Put him in at No. 4 and see what he can do at that position. Pollard could challenge Eugene for the starting spot and bring a physical presence to the secondary.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:33 am
okay…
so who is going to stop the run???
apparently “we” are…
not excited about the price tag…
Richard Seymour 2009: $3.685 million, 2010: Free Agent…
essentially we traded the “Turd” & a 1st rounder in 2011 for one year of Richard Seymour services…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Jhill, for sure the AFC west offenses are thinking heavily about the situation
September 6th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Wow, Merriman. Roid rage?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:34 am
# raideringeorgia Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Good for the Dolts…
Shawne Merriman busted for battery, false imprisonment
Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2009 1:22 PM ET
The days prior to the 2008 regular-season opener were dominated by discussion regarding whether Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman would be able to play due to a torn PCL.
This year, the question is whether Merriman will be able to play after allegedly assaulting a D-level television celebrity named Tila Tequila.
Merriman allegedly “choked and physically restrained” Tequila as she tried to leave his San Diego residence.
He was taken into custody at 3:45 p.m. local time and charged with battery and false imprisonment. Tequila was taken to a local hospital for treatment.
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Oh my god lol. Oh fuk bring on sept 14th!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:34 am
AS I said last week…….alot of things are gonna have to change before Sept 14th…………..and it sure is looking that way
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Jhill you know it roid rage!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
a 1st rounder????? WTF is Al thinking. we all know it will be a top 10 pick, and for what and guy on his last legs.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Things just keep getting better now merriman is in jail
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Seymour on his last legs are better than most on their first legs
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Merriman must be on the roids again, what a loose cannon.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
LMFAO!
Merriman is melting down. Roid rage?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
hahahahaha ufck merriman… Tila Tequila is way hott why beat on her???
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Last legs???? The guy is one of the best at his position TODAY, and the best 1 or 2 DE in our division (Luis Castillo would be the other).
No way Al doesn’t at least try to sign him to a record-deal, just like the Deangelo sign and trade last year. This one should work out a little better, IMO.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
WE need a space eating, middle clogging, DT. Warren IS NOT the answer next to Kelly. Bryant is a rookie, has promise but is still learning. Joseph is not a starter. He’s a decent back up.
I say Shaun Smith. He just got cut, is looking for a job, was a starter last season, and he is 6-2, 325-330 lbs.
Not too tall, so he can get leverage, but big enough to clog the middle.
I think it’s the best move we could make on the D-Line right now.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Tell him to do the Lights Out in jail Dance now!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
raideringeorgia Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Good for the Dolts…
Shawne Merriman busted for battery, false imprisonment
Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2009 1:22 PM ET
The days prior to the 2008 regular-season opener were dominated by discussion regarding whether Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman would be able to play due to a torn PCL.
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What’s worse? Merriman in roid rage beating some 5′4 young lady and choking her out or Michael Vick.
I expect the Commissioner to come down heavy on this.
Human rights vs. animal rights….hmmmmmm
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
The days prior to the 2008 regular-season opener were dominated by discussion regarding whether Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman would be able to play due to a torn PCL.This year, the question is whether Merriman will be able to play after allegedly assaulting a D-level television celebrity named Tila Tequila.Merriman allegedly “choked and physically restrained” Tequila as she tried to leave his San Diego residence.He was taken into custody at 3:45 p.m. local time and charged with battery and false imprisonment. Tequila was taken to a local hospital for treatment.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Pats fan who is so excited about the deal he had to find Raider.com and ask us our opinion.
Heres one
Beantown sucks from your steriod mainlining baseball team in beantown to your cheating, steriod abusing football team.
Your most famous citizens are a gigilo politician who married money, sold himself as a politician and has not done a thing since.
And a gigilo politician who drove off a bridge with a niave young girl whom he was trying to rape and swam away, didnt report it till the next day and said, opps my bad.
Take your sorry arse out of here and never darken our blog again
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Seymour (or Kelly) has to play DE. Most of the times teams run on us it’s because the DE gets wiped out and the linebackers get sucked into the middle or are otherwise out of position to make the tackle.
Scott needs more time and strength to become an every down DE. Let him work in as a situational pass rusher for now and see if he can produce in that role.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
# Plunketthead Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Pats fan who is so excited about the deal he had to find Raider.com and ask us our opinion.
Heres one
Beantown sucks from your steriod mainlining baseball team in beantown to your cheating, steriod abusing football team.
Your most famous citizens are a gigilo politician who married money, sold himself as a politician and has not done a thing since.
And a gigilo politician who drove off a bridge with a niave young girl whom he was trying to rape and swam away, didnt report it till the next day and said, opps my bad.
Take your sorry arse out of here and never darken our blog again
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This guy here just became my favorite poster! That was awesome!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
This day just keeps getting better.
Merriman in jail for beating a woman and choking her sending her to the hospital.
Suspension for week 1. Come on Goodell! Be consistent.
Dogs or people!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Plunketthead<———-hardcore mercenary
September 6th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Plunkethead,
Don’t forget about the pasty-faced, none-makeup wearing, beer-breathed nasty chicks sporting a 1958 bush between the legs.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Brien——- about as much as richochet but more then norcobob
September 6th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Merriman ready,..damn,…I might switch from tequila to rum for opener.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:41 am
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
This day just keeps getting better.
Merriman in jail for beating a woman and choking her sending her to the hospital.
Suspension for week 1. Come on Goodell! Be consistent.
Dogs or people!
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My god this may be the best Labor Day weekend I have ever had
September 6th, 2009 at 10:42 am
i would like to know whether Big Al came to some kind of agreement with Seymour on an extension…
just looked at PFT.com and if you omit all the raiderhatespeech (yeah, that’s a word) what they say is right on…
and it did occur to me as well… there will probably be a rookie cap by that year…
which means we threw away a 1st rounder for one year’s worth of service from Seymour…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I think either Jay Richardson or Gerard Warren are gone after this.
I would prefer to see Seymour playing DE for us (and keep Scott as a pass rusher), maybe playing inside in obvious passing downs along with Kelly, Scott and Ellis.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Id merriman was playin a team the league like merriman would be suspended,..not for this opener though.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
If the Raiders make the playoffs and it is a low first rounder they have given up, I’ll admit that I was incorrect in my evaluation. That would, however, have to happen to make this a fair trade.
My point was that the Raiders are a team that has all the trapping of continued mediocrity. Could they turn it around? Of couse… in a league where the Cardinals can go to the SB anything can happen. In terms of probability, recent history shows the Raiders to be one of the most poorly run organizations in all of proffesional sports. Hope may spring eternal in Raider land, but the odds are clearly stacked against you.
So much has to go right for this to work out of the Raiders, and there is potential for so much to go wrong.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Tequila Tia is a freak. Anyony see her reality show. What was she doing coming out of his house at 3:45am?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
We cut Garbage-cia, Keep Rankin and trade for Seymour! Oh man only thing that will make this weekend better is………….. damn I dunno lol
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
“choked and physically restrained when she tried to leave”.Didn’t want to see “little Shawne” did she ?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
if
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I am demanding protests. Merriman should be suspended for at least 8 games given his past.
How can a society come down hard on Vick for fighting dogs…yet turn a blind eye to a 250+ pound roid raged linebacker choking out a 5′4 asian woman
September 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Tequila Tia is a freak. Anyony see her reality show. What was she doing coming out of his house at 3:45am?
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She was getting ripped. That is what rips do
September 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Charger fags you got one week to duck and hide
September 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Yo all…BSJ likes the cuts, especially Garbage-cia (props to the general). Southwick made him expendable, as predicted.
And Seymour is exactly what was needed at base end (310 lbs amen!), and is playing for his last big contract next year. S-O-L-I-D move, especially dumping the first round draft pick. Al does much better in the mid rounds anyway, and we can’t keep paying >$30 mil guaranteed to a new guy each year.
Who gets bumped for Seymour? Watkins? Fargas?
Narcotic Bob must have all his pill bottles open today…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# Crow Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Hysterical move. A top 10 pick for a 30 year old who’ll only be a Raider for a year or two. Awesome.
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Just shut up Crowley. Seymour will be a Raider for at least 3 years
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Hysterical move. A top 10 pick for a 30 year old who’ll only be a Raider for a year or two. Awesome.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:47 am
“Richard Seymour is considered one of the better defensive lineman in stopping the run” ~ESPN
What a great DAy!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:47 am
What a day Merriman in Jail and we aqquire Seymour.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Bo lol. The Southwick thing may be the funniest thing on the blog………..besides how I embarrass MR,Dude,Crow and Bitchochet
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am
fairymen will post bail and be avaiable to play against the raiders. fairiymen wasnt himeslf on the field anyways. The problem the dschargers have is with the oline. 2 rooks… phylis wwas taking a pounding in presea.
I am not so stoked on this trade. We should have got brace. why are we the farm system for the pats?
GO GET SHAUN SMITH, AND ZAC FOLLETT
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Brien —- thanks for the props
September 6th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Regarding the Seymour deal,
Interesting to read the comments by Pats fans on a Pats site. A couple think it was a good move but the vas majority are stunned. This comment probably sums up the consensus opinion from their end:
“In Bill we trust but this one is hard to digest…”
Sounds like most fans think Seymour — who led the team in sacks with 8 last season — is still a great player. And 8 sacks is a very good total from a 3-4 DE. It’s much tougher for those guys to get sacks than a 4-3 DE.
You can read their thoughts here:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/09/patriots_confir_1.html
September 6th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Crow,
Seymour is an elite D-Lineman and gives the Raiders 4 to 5 years of elite and then moving to solid D-Line play.
That 1st rounder in 2011 wouldn’t pay dividends until 2013 or later….who cares about what happens that far ahead!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:49 am
# Brien the General Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am
She was getting ripped. That is what rips do
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“She’s a runner and a ripper. Pro Style gel and Beauty Supply slippers…”
hahaha lololol.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:50 am
This is such a great pick up for us. What a way to wake up! We dont DRAFT WELL IN THE FIRST ANYWAY! SO FRIGGEN PUMPED! HE IS A GREAT ALL AROUND DE STOPS THE RUN AND ATTACKS THE QB!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:51 am
now the great chris landry who said russell would be a bust but leinart would be a star is hatin on the deal. said the pats were expecting a conditional 1rst rnd pick instead of a straight 1rst rndr. derrick deese is boo hooin over his butt buddy garcia getting and they also assume it will be a top 5 pick. so these experts think we will be in the top 5 2 years before this season even starts. they all thought miami and atlanta would be playoff teams last year too i guess. what a joke these guys are. start the season now dammit!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Andrew33 is the typical patriots fan coming to realize that his old superbowl players are either retiring,being traded and pluggin in old raider players from the art shell era! This is completely a steal from the patriots knowing them they could not extend a contract for Seymour’s services considering what tommy kelly got!AL Davis will be ready to cashout on RS if he produces a all-probowler game. Andrew33 can you envision the patriots going to the superbowl with the young talent that have been placed? The Patriots got a good system but it wont work if you have the wrong players, alot of you patriot fans wont admit that your team is in the decline and young players will learn disappointment in an early age! Trust me the raiders have been in every situation possible. Al davis is just living his legacy win or lose, while the patriots are hanging on hoping to pass competition just like what happened in the TUCK GAME!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:51 am
# Plunketthead Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Brien —- thanks for the props
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no thank you for saying the words I wanted to say. i just would have cussed up a storm
September 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Oh And Shawn Merriman got arrested last night! YES!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Word on the street is Tila was buying steriods. When Merriman found out she was a he he wigged out.
This does not suprise me in the least. I know how freaky those lowcalers can be.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am
More outrage over Vick fighting dogs (which he deserved)
Yet Merriman is choking out a 5′4 woman at 3AM? So bad that she has to go to the hospital.
Merriman should be suspended for conduct detrimental to the league!
He should not play that week 1 game!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am
It’s not going to be a top-10 pick in 2011. The Raiders are loaded with young talent — JaMarcus, McFadden, Bush, Rankin, Zach Miller, Henderson, Murphy, Schilens, JLH, DHB, T-Howard, Nnamdi, Mitchell, Branch and others. This is a team that’s ready to break out. It just needs to start stopping the run.
Thanks for the help, Pasties.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
You guys are all worked up about fairymen and he wasnt even going to be a factor anyway. fariymen is stil done from the injury, not even close to what he was…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Vegas when you look at the additions of Mr. Seymour, Mr. Ellis, Mr. Shaughnessy, & Mr. Bryant, as in your post #17(could possibly be the starting D-line in a few weeks), together Mr. Al Davis proved he still has it;
Mr. Ellis is probably excited he has a proven experienced probowler who knows what it takes to be a professional playing beside him (or opposite end);
I hope this also provides some incentive for Derrick Brooks to come to Oakland!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
SnB= great Raider but yesterday he was saying to me no way no how is anything gonna change when I was proposing a trade to a get a DL to help us out. He has been made all year justifiably so, but now its great to see him happy!!! Take a bow D-coordinator
September 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Brien
HOW HAPPY ARE YOU!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Great move Al. Maybe the Pats can use the pick to draft Michael Crabtree at #31…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Still need a hard hittin MLB….
September 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Told all you M’fers we’re going to beat San Diego. It just keeps getting better and better. Everyone in the Nation should be happy. Today is a good day!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Brien<——–very optimistic now. This move shows Al still has a pulse. He was worrying me for a second because I have defended him alot and he was nuts to ignore the dline for so long but today he redeemed himself
September 6th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Brien the General Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
SnB= great Raider but yesterday he was saying to me no way no how is anything gonna change when I was proposing a trade to a get a DL to help us out. He has been made all year justifiably so, but now its great to see him happy!!! Take a bow D-coordinator
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Gotta give it to ya. I didn’t think that a MEANINGFUL trade or acquisition would happen. No way. thought it would be some plodding middle of the road guy…
I am most happy that the Raiders themselves acknowledged the run defense issues and got aggressive.
I thought they were living in a delusional haze of propping up mediocre players.
But they didn’t and I will apologize.
I would like to think that my year long campaigning to fix the defense has paid off
September 6th, 2009 at 10:56 am
El Dirty……….say what? Man I sat up and watched football all day on a 60 inch LCD then went out and snatched(Not like Merriman) up a Wisconsin beezy who took me back to her telly and now this! I’m feeling fan-fucking-tastic
September 6th, 2009 at 10:56 am
only cuz its the raiders people think this is a bad deal. they dont even give us a chance at winning the 5 games we won last year. funny cuz before this trade we were the second bestteam in the division according to these experts and now e somehow are worse. its hilarious!!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I think Shaughnessy is a better player than Scott. Stronger, bigger frame to grow on, better every down DE and high motor. Scott looks like a young white Kalimba Edwards.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Well, that was unexepected.
Here’s the way I see it.
The deal, we give up 2011 1st round pick which means we’ll to “pay the bill” for Seymour 2 years from now, since we didn’t give up any players and we didn’t give up picks in next year’s draft.
It’s been mentioned before, we got a versatile pro bowl DL, who should have 3 good years left, we just shored up our weakest unit….we have no idea what that 1st rounder in 2011 would turn into….we need help now, not 2 years from now.
Because of the Burgess trade, we have the Pats 3rd rounder next year, that gives the Raiders 4 picks in the top 96 in next year’s draft, more young players are on the way next season, it’s not like we mortgaged our future with this deal.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I would not spend too much time worrying about our linebackers.
They all just got better with an improved Dline.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
SnB it did pay off man
September 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
No More Infield or Trolls Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Great move Al. Maybe the Pats can use the pick to draft Michael Crabtree at #31…
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LMAO.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Im headin to the beach,..Capitola,…surf some, smoke some…have a margarita…ciao baby.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Today will be a good sunday!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Bo I dont think so as of now
September 6th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Merrimen about to experience the downside of excessive drug use at a young, growing age, first….failing ligaments all over his naturally heavy body. they are not build for the extra strength. he is gonna just snap crackle and pop from now on, just like Castillo. you watch
saw a couple of preseason games and was thinking I wouldnt be surprised if t he gets cut on saturday. he is done…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I am “outraged” that a person in NFL would abuse another human being for any reason other than self-defense.
Where is our society heading where there is more outrage over fighting dogs than mistreating and abusing human beings. Especially a 6′4 250+ lb guy abusing a 5′4 100 lbs woman.
Goodell should suspend Merriman indefinately!
Tell Henderson to keep working hard though!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Craptree is MR. Irrelevant in the 2010 draft
September 6th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I like the deal but Al always gets burned when he deals with the Pat’s.. I love the old guy but he isnt as sharp as he use to be..
September 6th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I want Merriman to play. Don’t want to hear the excuses at BSPN when we win. I want to see Gallery just pancake the guy.
Can’t wait to hear Chris Berman say “Tommy is really hurting today because the Broncos lost yet again.”, as Tom Jackson sulks off to the side.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Merriroids is done. Knew that in 2007 when it was obvious he wasnt the same player he was off the juice
September 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am
SnB
Fixing the DLINE specifically.
By far the most overpaid and underperforming unit on the team. Until now.
Cut Warren and I would say most of the problem has been cleaned up to where we can at least be respectable.
Still not in the class of the Giants etc.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am
408 he was sharp today!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Now if we can just get a Grady Jackson, Kevin Carter…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am
I can’t stop smiling
September 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am
this looks like the whole sapp thing all over again. we may get 1 good year from him but i hope im WRONG please contribute PLEASE
September 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am
No More Infield or Trolls Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I want Merriman to play. Don’t want to hear the excuses at BSPN when we win. I want to see Gallery just pancake the guy.
Can’t wait to hear Chris Berman say “Tommy is really hurting today because the Broncos lost yet again.”, as Tom Jackson sulks off to the side.
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Screw that! I want to win. And Merriman not playing gives the Raiders a better chance to win.
No Merriman and we added Seymour. That’s what I am talking about!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:03 am
lets hope so Brien.. I like the move Im just sayin’ Go AL!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Glutten……….Sapp was garbage the year before in Tampa and wasnt a versatile player like Seymour. Different circumstances and Sapp is a punk on top of it all. Keep ya head bruh. We all good
September 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Brien<———- was thinking Merriroids wasnt going to be a factor anyway. Want him to play so no guy with natural talent plays against us
September 6th, 2009 at 11:05 am
All my prophecies are coming true…didn’t see the Seymour thing coming…and we’ve not even experienced the full power of the Norv Turner effect!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:05 am
“He was a quiet leader,” second-year linebacker Jerod Mayo said. “He led by his actions. He’ll be dearly missed as a teammate and as a player on the field”.
When asked if the Pats might be better without Seymour, Mayo said: “Ask me after Game 1.”
Glutten…..can’t remember anyone saying that about Sapp.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:05 am
really we all gotta agree . at least noone can ever say al davis isnt tryin, even though i saw a bengal fan say davis cares less than mike brown. wtf?:( also, we know dat immediately espn haters will say dat seymour has instantly gotten old . now dat he plays for oakland.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Charlie Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am
SnB
Fixing the DLINE specifically.
By far the most overpaid and underperforming unit on the team. Until now.
Cut Warren and I would say most of the problem has been cleaned up to where we can at least be respectable.
Still not in the class of the Giants etc.
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True…but now we should be competitive and that’s all I was asking for.
Seymour is a difference maker. He was traded because of cap room to pay Vince Wilfork and Tom Brady. That’s the ONLY reason the Pats made the move.
I like the Raiders aggressiveness here. A D-Lineman! Not a cornerback or receiver or safety….A D-Lineman!
I bet they first inquired about Wilfork and the Pats said how about Seymour. Sounds good to me!
No Merriman and we add Seymour and the energy he will bring.
I hope Seymour makes the 1st tackle of the game by slamming LT behind the line of scrimmage. Crowd goes wild!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:07 am
# andrew33 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Anyone care to disagree?
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I would. The Patriots are an OLD TEAM. Brady is 10 years in, Moss is 12 years, Brushci was 14 years, Adalius Thomas is 10 years and Joey Galloway is 15 years. The only Raiders with 10 years in the league are their kickers. And Carlise. New England HAD to make that deal.
As for your statement the coaching staff is in dissaray, this roster has Tom Cable’s hands all over it. If you are talking about how the Raiders looked in the preseason, didn’t your New England Idiots go winless in the preseason two seasons ago??
As for Seymour himself, we probably would have been better off doing the same deal for Ty Warren. Sure, Seymour is a five time pro bowler, but he has not been since 06. That’s the bad news. The good news is he lead the Idiots in sacks last year with 7. Couple that, with the leadership that Greg Ellis is now exhibiting, and maybe FINALLY, some sorely needed respected leadership can emerge on that Raider team.
As for your comments about Russell, it shows you don’t know a lot about football to say the least. And no one in the league would agree with you. Jamarcus is getting more and more recognition as growing into the position of starting NFL Q. There is NO ONE with any knowledge of QB play doubting that.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Here’s the best part about this deal, we needed help inside and outside, Richard Seymour is one of the few guys who can play DT or DE and make a difference, his versatility will actually shore up 2 positions because he can line up anywhere on the Line.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:07 am
so who jets cut??
September 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
fairymen wasnt going to wreck havoc. fairymen WILL PLAY in the game on monday night. But fairymen is done pyhsically….
September 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
expect seymours amdden ratings 2 drop like 10 points
September 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
if we get xavier adibi and a halfway decent safety . yeah were good/.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
This is a good trade for both teams. The Pats weren’t going to sign Seymore to an extension..so what did they do? They got something for him…a first round pick from the Raiders!
I’m sure the Patriots had other offers..but the Raiders are no threat. Not a threat now or prob ever as long as Al Davis is ruining this franchise.
But a solid move for the Raiders, who needed help on the D-Line. With this addition of Seymore and the offseason addition of Greg Ellis..I think the Raiders defense has a solid veteran presence. And along with that presence ..comes leadership. And the Raiders are searching for leaders
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I have the feeling that there are moves to come. Come on Al!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
gets
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I dropped the kids off at the pool this morning and it was the pleasant experienced, enhanced by the greatness of the Raiders.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Man sure gave us something to talk about on here today. Otherwise we would be splitting hairs on the great Jonathan Holland or Todd Watkins debate.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
No We need to beat the Chargers at full strength in our house in front of our fans with the world watching. Humiliate them. Beat them down. make a statement… It would set the tone for the whole season.
Heading down to Lakeside casino and putting a hundred on the Raiders and the over. They were giving us 9 points last time I checked. Hope they still are…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Considering we only trade with the Pats, I wonder if Al knew Seymour was on the block since before the draft. He could have been waiting for Marshall to gauge Richardson/Scott before pulling the string.
The deal probably hinged on letting Brace go to NE. Then Al probably told Kraft: “Deal is done…#1 in 2011…but you have to cut Andrew Walter”
September 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Oak RE: post 299… You nailed it…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am
“Deal is done…#1 in 2011…but you have to cut Andrew Walter”
lmao
September 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am
vegas raider Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Man sure gave us something to talk about on here today. Otherwise we would be splitting hairs on the great Jonathan Holland or Todd Watkins debate.
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Watkins has GOT to be the Seymour casualty. Got to keep Rankin, and …(gulp)…Bowie for depth now that JMiller is toast.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am
#310
9 points for now, and probably will stay right at that number.
I love the over (44) although this move helps the Raiders D, so I might have to reassess.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Shawne Merriman arrested!! Love to see him out for MNF.
Funny that he evidently smacked Tila Tequila around.
http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/us/2009/09/06/D9AHV5T80_fbn_merriman_arrested/index.html
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Then we will just have to score 44 ourselves
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
sapp had a bad attitude and wasnt a winner. he made me sick and now hes showing he was one of the worst signings al ever made. people hope seymour sours on us like moss and others. this team has alot of young talent and people who pay attention instead of hating have said this. hey bey was alot less of a reach than tyson jackson. he wasnt event considered a top 15 prospect but jumped to #3 overall. chicago gave up a helluvalot more for cutler than we did for seymour. cutler didnt win shit in denver and hes a punk. the only way to change the culture is to change the players with winning players. this is a start for the better.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Considering we only trade with the Pats, I wonder if Al knew Seymour was on the block since before the draft. He could have been waiting for Marshall to gauge Richardson/Scott before pulling the string.
The deal probably hinged on letting Brace go to NE. Then Al probably told Kraft: “Deal is done…#1 in 2011…but you have to cut Andrew Walter”
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This CIa, secret agent type s#!T is possible. How else can we keep gettin raped by th epats. I hate them, and the tuck rule…
I really hope this trade turns out for the betterment of this team, but F@K why do we have to be a feede system for these F@KS. Why didnr we just go draft brace, and raji… Have the S#!T sown up for real…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Seymour and Wilfork are both in a contract year and there is no way that the Pats could afford to sign both next year.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I also think this shows how the Patriots feel about Ron Brace..the player the Raiders past on to draft Mike “never see the field as a starter” Mitchell. Brace was the key to this deal getting done. No way the Pats would release Seymore unless they were confident with who was going replace him. He was still under contract for this year..So…Brace must be good!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Oakglenn is King
September 6th, 2009 at 11:16 am
You can see where Al is coming from a mile away on this one. He figures Russell will be polished enough in a maximum of two years to take them to the playoffs, and with the run defense up to par, the draft pick won’t be worth nearly as much as Belichick figures it will be. This is a good move, and even better if we can hang on to him after his contract expires without putting a franchise tag on him. Way to go, Al.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
No More Infield,
We need to start this season 4-0. I don’t care how we get there. Save the heroic upset for week 9. This year is about getting off to a strong start and getting confidence.
Merrimen should be suspended!
Mario Henderson needs to keep working hard!
Seymour needs to bust up LT in the backfield!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Tila probably got his pants off and saw the training wheels and tried to make a run for it.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
No More Infield or Trolls Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Then we will just have to score 44 ourselves
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Great Answer!!!!!!!!!!
The line started at 7 and has climbed to 9, the book may lower it 8.5 to furthur straddle the line, but I can’t see it go up even more. Rarely do you ever see 10 point home underdogs.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I would have rather had wilfork
September 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am
is everyone forgetting that we have added two people to the line with veteran presence this off season this is huge gregg and richard on the they shuold help the young guys we have big time d-line just got better with this move good one al
September 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Some of what Pats bloggers are saying:
“Certainly, this is a trade aimed at the future, but I don’t get it because the Patriots want to win NOW. This Patriots team is clearly a contending squad, and trading away arguably your best defensive player isn’t going to help in the short term. Sure, Jarvis Green or Mike Wright can step in, but will they cause the same fear that Seymour has caused for years? Absolutely not. In my opinion, absolutely not.
Seymour, 29, can do say many things for a defense. He is the prototypical 3-4 end, with the height, size, and strength to hold up blockers. Yet, unlike most 3-4 defensive ends, he has great quickness and burst, and is an elite pass rusher who can stay in on passing downs. He can also shift inside, as well as play outside in the 4-3. He was the jack of all trades for defensive lineman, who got consistently double and triple teamed week in and week out.”
Sweet.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am
The Greg Ellis signing still IMO did alot of the organization but this move here have lit a fire into everyone. I know the members of the offense are going crazy knowing that they will have more chances on the field
September 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am
I am going to write a letter to the Commissioner outlining my outrage at the mistreatment of PEOPLE!
If Vick can lose out than Merriman should have to lose out.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:19 am
# JT52 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I would have rather had wilfork
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Wilfork is strictly a 3-4 NT. In the 4-3 he wouldnt have been as good IMO
September 6th, 2009 at 11:19 am
hey Dorian did they change KCs playbook or is it the same in Madden? Herms offense won me manymany SBs. I think I still got the audibles swirling in my head lol
September 6th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Well,got to get ready for work.This is the first time I’ve posted on this site after reading it for a long time.Couldn’t have a better start with the Seymour trade and Merriman being arrested.
Good talking to you all……
September 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am
# Bob Marley Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Some of what Pats bloggers are saying:
“Certainly, this is a trade aimed at the future, but I don’t get it because the Patriots want to win NOW. This Patriots team is clearly a contending squad, and trading away arguably your best defensive player isn’t going to help in the short term. Sure, Jarvis Green or Mike Wright can step in, but will they cause the same fear that Seymour has caused for years? Absolutely not. In my opinion, absolutely not.
Seymour, 29, can do say many things for a defense. He is the prototypical 3-4 end, with the height, size, and strength to hold up blockers. Yet, unlike most 3-4 defensive ends, he has great quickness and burst, and is an elite pass rusher who can stay in on passing downs. He can also shift inside, as well as play outside in the 4-3. He was the jack of all trades for defensive lineman, who got consistently double and triple teamed week in and week out.”
Sweet.
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No Seymour No Cry
September 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am
JT52 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I would have rather had wilfork
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Seymour is a little older than Wilfork. The Pats made a choice and we got a win either way!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am
FU@K shawn fairymen and the horse he rides. He will be playing on monday night. Raiders wont have to worry about him, as he is finished.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Wilfork: Losing Seymour like losing family
Email|Link|Comments (4) Posted by Christopher L. Gasper, Globe Staff September 6, 2009 01:49 PM
FOXBOROUGH — A sleepy Sunday morning was turned upside down for members of the Patriots defense when they learned that defensive end Richard Seymour had been traded to the Oakland Raiders for a 2011 first-round pick.
Seymour woke up linemates and friends nose tackle Vince Wilfork and defensive end Ty Warren to let them know he had been traded.
“Big Sey”, as his teammates affectionately called him, was saying see ya.
A melancholy Wilfork said losing Seymour was like losing family, both on and off the field and that he will be missed. Wilfork lamented the breakup of one of the best defensive lines in the NFL, but said he and the team have no choice but to move on.
“We’re all professionals. Change happens all the time. Every year you have change, you have roster change, you have everything changing,” said Wilfork. “This is another change and we’re going to have to deal with it. I don’t care how you feel about it. You got to deal with it and move on. We’re getting ready for the most important game of our season, Monday night against a divisional rival, so we have to put everything aside and work.”
Warren said that Seymour had confided in him that he thought the writing was on the wall regarding his Patriots career and that something like a trade could happen before the season.
“Sey felt like something was going to happen along these lines,” said Warren. “He mentioned that to me months prior to this happening. I didn’t put much thought into it.”
Warren, who said he was in a hotel room at the Renaissance Boston Hotel & Spa at Patriot Place when he got the news, said that he thought Seymour was joking with him at first.
“I just told him, ‘Stop lying. It’s Sunday. Man, you serious? It’s Sunday. Don’t be coming at me like that.’ I took a nap and woke up and there were 10 more text messages. I was like alright let me look into this deal and then it was true,” said Warren.
“He will definitely be missed. I got his phone number. It won’t be hard to talk to him, but as far as a teammate he’ll definitely be missed, but again it’s the nature of the business. He knew that. It came to fruition and that’s what it is.”
On the surface it’s hard to see how the trade makes the Patriots a better team in the short-term, losing a five-time Pro Bowl defensive end. Warren was asked if you have to trust the organization.
“Absolutely, only they know where we are and where we’re going, so you got to trust them to know what they’re going to do,” said Warren.
Warren said he’s not going to change his game to try to compensate for Seymour’s loss opposite him at defensive end.
“I blaze my own trails. What one person does doesn’t determine what I do. What I do is pretty much in stone,” said Warren “They know what they’re going to get out of me. I’m not really a rah-rah guy. I don’t feel like I’m going to need any extra rah-rah. I’m just going to do what Ty Warrens does and that is stick to the plan, work hard. That’s kind of my motto.”
Warren said there are veteran players who can pick up the leadership slack for Seymour. But young players will be asked to do that too, including second-year linebacker and preseason defensive captain Jerod Mayo.
Mayo admitted the business side of the NFL, as compared to college, has been eye-opening
“I’ve only been here two years and I’m surprised every day, especially today and yesterday,” said Mayo.
Mayo said he is not going to change his leadership approach because of Seymour’s absence.
“Not really. I’m just going to come to work every day and keep chipping at the rock, trying to get better and learn my teammates,” said Mayo. “They’re changing every day, and hopefully we can get some consistency here soon and compete [next] Monday night.”
Wilfork, who seemed the most upset by the trade, said the shipping out of Seymour to Oakland is a stark reminder that the business side of the game is never going away.
“It is what it is. Don’t get it twisted, it is a business and you have to move on,” said Wilfork. “We will. As a defensive lineman, as a friend of his, as an organization and a team, we have to move on from it and we will. This is shocking, but at the same time that’s the business side to it. That’s nothing but business and you just move on from it. Forget how you feel about it. You have to deal with it.”
September 6th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Real MaddenRaider= “This move is another clear sign that Al Davis has officially lost it”
September 6th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Wilfork is really gonna want his cash now…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
While I like the acquisition of Seymour, Al Davis has once again been taken behind the woodshed by the New England Patriots. Al overpaid for this guy big time. A second should have been sufficient. Seymour was a great player but it is apparent that he is on the downside of his career and has only one year left on his contract. Al gave up what will probably be a top 10 pick to acquire this guy. WTF???? I guess if that pick was going to be used on a player like DHB, Michaael Huff or Patrick Bates then it might lessen the blow. Al, please do us all a favor and take that dirt nap ASAP as we doomed to be bottom dwellers as long as you run this organization.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
If Al would’ve drafted Brace..like everyone on this site and every Raider fan thought he should have drafted..we would not have to give up a first round pick for a d-lineman on the decline. We could of had a yound d-lineman on the rise and our first round pick!
That Mike Mitchell pick is already hurting this franchise..
The more I think of this trade..and that 2nd round pick..the more frustrated I get!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
The Seymour trade is bad for my fantasy team. I have the Pats defense.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Seymour is one bad mutha. I remembered that other teams dont ever fck with him. Great job Al. I’d rather take him over any first round draft pick anyday. We need to win now and I can careless about 2011. We will improve this year but 2010 we will be much better. I believe the Raiders think that the pick in 2011 will be a much lower position.
Time for all naysayers to shut their mouth!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Oops, sorry guys, I didn’t realize that article was so damn long. A link next time, I promise…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
most da playbooks still da same , they just added dat deadly wildcat. i cant be stopped wit mcfadden runnin dat .
September 6th, 2009 at 11:24 am
I hope the Raiders already worked out an extension with Seymour. If not, this trade will prove to be one of Al’s dumbest. Does anyone think Seymour is really going to want stay with the Raiders?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:25 am
id like for us to shore uo that ol than worry about lbs right now. green and carlisle will hold this offense back
September 6th, 2009 at 11:25 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
The dumb moves keep on coming. And make no mistake, Garcia was cut to avoid the controversy. Al knows Russell’s going to stink up the joint, and he doesn’t want a 3 time pro bowler on the sideline while he does so, because it will raise questions as to just how bad this owner really want to “win more badly than any owner in the game”. It never stops. Al Davis deserves nothing but agony, and he’s going to get it, on a platter.
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My god the comedy never stops lol
September 6th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Deangelodobo, Brace will not make 5 PBs in his whole career.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Seymour has a week to learn this defense to beat san diego….were gonna shock the whole world.!! Rivers can only see dirt in the 4th quarter!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:29 am
DMunoz 26 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:24 am
I hope the Raiders already worked out an extension with Seymour. If not, this trade will prove to be one of Al’s dumbest. Does anyone think Seymour is really going to want stay with the Raiders?
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I guess that would depend on the type of person/player seymour is. Taking on the challenge of helping a team that is considered the laughing stock of the league and helping to turn it could excite and intrigue him. Not sure what his motivation is, but if it is cash he will get t from Mr. Davis if he proves his worth.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:29 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:45 am
preist, just be here after SD torches the Raiders. Just get your ass in here. You know you won’t be here. Just like Oaklglenn ran for it last year. Didn’t pop in till like Friday of that week. You know you’re going to so the same. And make no mistake, SD is going to destroy the Raiders. I’d say the best case scenario is that the Raiders get ahead by a couple of scores then choke. It’s going to be one or the other. And this supposed run game you guys keep talking about? We will not run the ball 20 times against SD. Maybe not even 15. Watch.
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We once had Oakglenn’s greatest hits………we need MR’s greatest hits now lol
September 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Authorities say San Diego Chargers star linebacker Shawne Merriman has been arrested on suspicion of choking and restraining his girlfriend, a reality TV star, as she tried to leave his Southern California home.
San Diego County Sheriff’s Lt. Gary Steadman says 27-year-old Tila Tequila signed a citizen’s arrest warrant early Sunday, charging Merriman with battery and false imprisonment.
Tequila was taken to a hospital. Her condition was not immediately available.
Merriman, 25, was taken into custody by deputies who responded to a distress call at his home in Poway, north of San Diego.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Hey who want the Raiders to make the playoffs this year? I know I do. Some people will never be happy, even when the team does something good.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am
SAN DIEGO (AP) – Authorities say San Diego Chargers star linebacker Shawne Merriman has been arrested on suspicion of choking and restraining his girlfriend, a reality TV star, as she tried to leave his Southern California home.
San Diego County Sheriff’s Lt. Gary Steadman says 27-year-old Tila Tequila signed a citizen’s arrest warrant early Sunday, charging Merriman with battery and false imprisonment.
Tequila was taken to a hospital. Her condition was not immediately available.
Merriman, 25, was taken into custody by deputies who responded to a distress call at his home in Poway, north of San Diego.
Tequila, whose real name is Tila Nguyen, is best known for her MTV dating reality show, “A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila.”
September 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Thec, whats up bruh bruh? I know you digging this move for Seymour
September 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am
DIRT NAP FOR AL!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Seymour just helped the defense out big time. SD is shaking in their boots now. We are coming after them and that damn oline of theirs isnt all that great as it once was
September 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Merriman will have 6 sacks in the opener.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Dude strait up lost his mind last night. I’m not old school, so it may have been sooner, but yeah to say MR is a few bricks short of a load is being kind.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Jerrymcd Nice story on Shawne Merriman alleged battery, false imprisonment . . . might want to check for roid rage while they’re at it.
Jerry is tweeting comedy today!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:35 am
B to the G, what up Young Lion…….
Honestly B I am not sure what to make of it. Like the boy whi cried wolf… NE has f@K us so many times that man it could be one of those. Big Sey, does have something left in the tank so we will see….
We need to go get Shaun Smith, and Zack Follett the kid from Cal…..
Trade farglass as you call him, and javon walker for a LB…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:35 am
I remember when MaddenRaider used to get Marley’d on the daily. Ahhh good times…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:36 am
DMunoz 26 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Merriman will have 6 sacks in the opener
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Wrong. AJ Smith knows fairymen was done physically thats why they drafted english, and got the guy from dalla$$…. fariymen is done, wont have a sack on monday night
September 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Why the hell would Merriman date her anyways???
She’s a freaking whore!!!! lol
Idiot
September 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am
los9091 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Why the hell would Merriman date her anyways???
She’s a freaking whore!!!! lol
Idiot”
Merriman heard that Tila liked chicks and he figured that since his junk has all but disappeared from the roids that he might have a chance.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I am demanding protests. Merriman should be suspended for at least 8 games given his past.
How can a society come down hard on Vick for fighting dogs…yet turn a blind eye to a 250+ pound roid raged linebacker choking out a 5′4 asian woman
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Tila is like 5′0 and Merriman is like 270+
September 6th, 2009 at 11:38 am
# DMunoz 26 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Merriman will have 6 sacks in the opener.
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Bullshit. Mario will handle that roided loser
September 6th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Charger fans are defending Merriman saying things like “She deserved it”…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Bo..ur probably right about Brace not making 5 pro bowls..but he might..If Belicheck was willing to give a 5 time Pro Bowler for a high paying first round draft choice, then I think he know Seymore’s replacement is pretty damn good.
Belichec is doing any team any favors!! Someone has shown enough in the pre-season and practice to allow this trade to happen. I’m guessing Brace is stud! And good ol Al drafted a safety who will and already is a laughing stock.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
We traded a 2011 1st round pick for a ProBowler on D, thats a great thing. It upgrades our defense, brings in a WINNER, and a LEADER for 3+ Mil. If he works out for us we tag him next year, cause I doubt long term contract would work out cause it will be his 10th season. We also have 2 years to get back into the 1st round, not like it can’t be done(if there is no lockout). If we can get a full 2 seasons outta him at close to the top of his game, it will have been worth it.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Haha…good one RaiderDogg
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
How can we get rid of wlaker and farglas for a hard hitting LB, AL is not done yet….
September 6th, 2009 at 11:41 am
RaiderDogg Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:35 am
I remember when MaddenRaider used to get Marley’d on the daily. Ahhh good times…
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MR still has marks from those beatings, LOL.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:41 am
B to The G <——– Young Lion With much Game….
September 6th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Well Thec…………….in John Marshall’s defense he used guys Seymour’s size as run stuffers. Seymour is ultra talented as he has played different techniques throughout his career since he is a 3-4/4-3 Dlineman. I remember his rookie year when he played in the middle at times and he handled quite well
September 6th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Tila said “no” and Merriman choked her out, threw her to the ground and punctuated it with the trademark “Lights Out” dance.
Now the only “Lights Out” Merriman will get is when the guard yells “Lights Out” in cell block 4.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Is Merriroids an idiot? Sadly this society focuses on ethnicity too much but seriously……a 6′5 270 black pro athlete bullying a petite Asian whore? What is this guy’s problem?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Raiderwoj, you dont justify giving up a first round pick by saying “if it works out”. Al Davis has clearly lost it. We gave up top ten pick for a guy with one year left on his contract and on the downside of his career. Dirt Nap for Al!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Wouldn’t you guys rather have Raji this year and many years to come…and still have our 1st round pick next year???
Rather than an old DT and a WR that cant catch?
Louis Murphy is going to have better stats than DHB this year anyways.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am
If we franchinse Seymore..that will ruin this whole deal. So we give a 1st round pick for a player on a 2yr contract? HA! If that happens..then its obvious Al has been diagnosed and will be dying in the next two years…and he has no plans for the future..
if that happens, I will spit on Al’s grave!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am
cool, im still a force then after getting in a couple of games. but wildcat would be something new though. how do YOU defend it?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Tila went to kick him in the nuts and couldn’t find any. When she laughed it nearly cost her her life.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am
# chappy23us Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Raiderwoj, you dont justify giving up a first round pick by saying “if it works out”. Al Davis has clearly lost it. We gave up top ten pick for a guy with one year left on his contract and on the downside of his career. Dirt Nap for Al!
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I wonder who this new poster is……..very familiar argument style
September 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am
First Seymour now ‘roid rage Merriman locked up and most likely suspended for game one? Good things happen in threes wonder what’s next? Shaun Smith anyone??
September 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am
So CHAPPY, that 1st rounder is guaranteed to work out? Pro Bowler on D works out, im talkin injuries and the unforseen. He stays healthy he helps alot.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am
408RAIDER Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I like the deal but Al always gets burned when he deals with the Pat’s.. I love the old guy but he isnt as sharp as he use to be..
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Al’s been dealing with the Pats for years where do you think we got Mike Haynes from? That was a robbery that brought us a Super Bowl! What goes around comes around. And here are again with Richard Seymour who just commands attention and that creates disruption which is exactly what this D needs!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Tila went to kick him in the nuts and couldn’t find any. When she laughed it nearly cost her her life.
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LOL good one Bo. I bet she went even deeper with it and said that is why the chargers can never get over the “hump’
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Good one BSJ
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
That’s gotta be 6 games !
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
No 1st round pick for Al Davis is a guarantee to work out but that it is not my point. Seymour’s current value is nowhere close to what we paid. I agree that he was ONCE a great player but those days are clearly behind him.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
$15-20 million guaranteed off the books for 2011 1st round draft choice,
probowler Mr. Seymour for only $3 plus million dollars;
We just increased our franchises net worth by $12-17 million dollars
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
los9091..ur right! Al is terrible in the draft! We could’ve drafted Raji/Brace and kept our 1st round pick in 2011..but Seymore is def an upgrade..
I think we should’ve used that 1st round pick on an o-lineman. We drafted QB, RB, WR in the 1st round the past three years..and yet the o-line is suspect. Does that make sense to anyone? only Al I guess!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Chappy……..well according to you Al haters he picks the wrong guys in round one so isnt it better to get a guy who you know is worth your time and effort?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I don’t think some people realize that the draft pick is for 2011 not 2010.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Brien,
Happen to notice the “clearly lost it” part, sounds familiar.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Garcia was a locker room malignancy and not as good as Gradkowski this preseason which is why he was cut.
Say what you want about Garcia but he is 39 y/o.
Cable has really focused on bringing in high character guys and Mr Davis is supporting him.
Anyone who thinks Garcia would help the Raiders more than JR is out of touch with reality.
Whoever we release to make room for Seymour needs to offeset the salary hit as well.
It is not just one for one in terms of a roster spot.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:48 am
The only time we were robbed or so called robbed by the Pats was the tuck game. Name the other times please. Moss won a ring? WE were happy to get rid of burgess. Walter?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:49 am
If they would have given up a second or a third for this guy I would not have had such an issue with this deal. New England probably offered him for a 1st hoping Al would offer a 2nd or 3rd. Even they had to be schocked when Al agreed.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:49 am
# Raiderwoj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Brien,
Happen to notice the “clearly lost it” part, sounds familiar.
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Didnt I just say 30 minutes ago what a certain person would say
September 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Now our DBs will only have to cover WRs for 2.6 seconds instead of 6.2!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
49ers released TE Bear Pascoe:
Cable said he went into the draft with a hope of landing either Brandon Myers or Bear Pascoe. When Pascoe was selected in round 6, Oakland moved up to pick Myers.
Tony Stewart had a nice camp and preseason but if Cable really likes Pascoe… plus he is a local product.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
farga$$, and walker…..
Trade them both, or cut em….
September 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
BAD BAD bad move…
why all this focus on DE’s we need RUNSTOPPING DT, goddammit….
September 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Shaun Smith, zack follett…..
September 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Pascoe was the 184 overall pick, Myers was 202. Both 6 rounders.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Brien the General Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:48 am
The only time we were robbed or so called robbed by the Pats was the tuck game. Name the other times please. Moss won a ring? WE were happy to get rid of burgess. Walter?
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And they robbed us of Lamont Jordan, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Just to clarify, Seymour is clearly an upgade over the likes of TURD ell sands and all the other stiffs Al has brought in but that still does not say much.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Moss set the record for most TD’s ever scored by a WR in a season..if thats not robbed. Than what is? The Pats also went undeafeted in the season..I know they didn’t win the Superbowl. But they were a Hell of lot closer than the Raiders were..or have been in last 6 years..
Raiders got fleeded in that trade. if u deny that..ur an idiot. Period
September 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am
guys go read the blog post by Fairy Mac. This shit is beyond atrocious
September 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am
hey LMN how you doing?
Seymour is 6′5” 310, he played DT in College and his first 2 years in NE in a 4-3 defense. He can stop the run.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:54 am
# El Tato Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
49ers released TE Bear Pascoe:
Cable said he went into the draft with a hope of landing either Brandon Myers or Bear Pascoe. When Pascoe was selected in round 6, Oakland moved up to pick Myers.
Tony Stewart had a nice camp and preseason but if Cable really likes Pascoe… plus he is a local product.
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I’m with that move but the thing is Tony Stewart’s slow ass can really block
September 6th, 2009 at 11:54 am
What does Mike Vick and Shawne Merriman have in common?????
THEY BOTH BEAT BITCHES!!!!!!!
LMAO!!!!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:54 am
What is the difference between 0-16 and 18-1? There is none they didnt win a title. Al got so called fleeced but he bended for Kiffin you jackass. Al didnt want to give him up but he gave in due to Kiffin’s begging. Still nonetheless the Pats haven’t won a title and are the biggest chokers in sports history!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brien the General,
according to NFL.com Pascoe is an excellent run blocking TE.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am
# El Tato Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am
hey LMN how you doing?
Seymour is 6′5” 310, he played DT in College and his first 2 years in NE in a 4-3 defense. He can stop the run.
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Exactly man. Seymour did more than well in the middle and I’d like him there over Warren. Keep Scott at RDE
September 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Hooray Al! Finally a bold move to fill a gigantic hole. This should help the Raider defense improve from #32 (which is where is was heading) into the 20’s. Anyone who says this is a bad deal for the Raiders hasn’t been paying any attention to the last 6 years. This is the first day this year I’ve had some hope for this season.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Raiderwoj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
We traded a 2011 1st round pick for a ProBowler on D, thats a great thing. It upgrades our defense, brings in a WINNER, and a LEADER for 3+ Mil. If he works out for us we tag him next year, cause I doubt long term contract would work out cause it will be his 10th season.
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some of the $$$ that was earmarked for Sands ($17mm) can NOW go to someone who can sctually PLAY THE GAME. Expect to win!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Best move of the weekend was cutting Garcia. That big mouth queer couldn’t shut up, let him go back to SF and forget this happened.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Jamarcus Russell could very well be a prodigous bust on his way to being among the worst starting QBs in the league…
Anyone care to disagree?
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Yeah, go slam your d!ck in a door.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
NFL.com TE Bear Pascoe:
Pick Analysis: Pascoe has toughness and is outstanding as a blocker. He is an Anthony Becht-type blocker and is also exceptional on special teams, having blocked several kicks in college. He gives the 49ers a great backup/situational type player who can effectively manage his tasks and be a role player.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
El Tato I feel ya and my cousin’s BF plays for Fresno St. I’m very aware of Pascoe and if you check the archives I lobbied for the guy but Stewart wont get cut due to his blocking andthey really like Myers…..so do i
September 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am
enough about Raji, who is injured already (how sertious I don’t know or care, short term anyway, he does have a mom who cares about him)
I would take Mr. Seymour who can play DE & DT a probowler, uhmm reminds me a Raider HOF we once had who was versatile, Mr. Howie Long; Mr. Seymour is the best defensive lineman we have had since Mr. Long retired.
Mr. Davis I hope you still have Mr. Brooks’ agent on speed dial, better yet call him direct.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am
tila tequila dun ate so many coochies merriman gonna smell like captain d`s mon night.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Brien..I’m not talking about Al and Kiffen..or the Patriots record this year or the years in the past. u were saying the raiders didn’t get the worse of the Randy Moss trade. Ok..Randy Moss state in New England:
2500 yd receiving ..34Tds
What did that 4th round pick get the raiders, Brien?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
LMN
We need a DE too. Most of the runs we get on us or from the outside
September 6th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Los9091 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Wouldn’t you guys rather have Raji this year and many years to come…and still have our 1st round pick next year???
Rather than an old DT and a WR that cant catch?
Louis Murphy is going to have better stats than DHB this year anyways.
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To answer your questions NO. No guarantee that Raji will be a Pro Bowler. The fact that people think your career is over because you turn 30 is stupid even though father time is undefeated but in reality our Dline needed another veteran who commands league wide respect with his play. I just hope he stays healthy and productive for our D.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Thats what I thought Brien..your the jacksass.. get ur head out of Al’s arse and back into reality. The Pats trade for Moss was a terrible deal for Oakland..they should’ve and could’ve got more.
This trade..they could have a gotten Seymore for less. Probably a 2nd and 4th..But they know Al is senile and dumb.. so a they got a first rounder.
I still think this helps the Raiders..but they could’ve gotten help in the draft. Instead they drafted a fast decoy who probably play second fiddle to the 4th round pick and a 2nd round pick who is the biggest laughing stock ever. Probably be cut next year.
good job Al..
September 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
already 429 replies to this storyline since 8:44am; that explains to all of you supporters and whiners about Mr. Davis’ trade for Mr. Seymour.
could be 430+ by the time I finish tyonig and submitting this reply
September 6th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
and KUDOS to Mr. McDonald for his “(NOT SO)” final analysis of the 53-man roster;
So how long did you know about the probability/possibility of this trade Mr. Jerry McDonald?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
This is the best labor day weekend ever…..
I read all of your posts. Damn good feed back!
Exept the haters, and the pats fans gays that have nothing else better to do.
LDE – Ellis
DT – Kelly
DT – Warren
RDE – Seymour <—– should be our starting D-line, all we need is a good run stoping LB and RT and were set.
HAHAHA still laughing about the Bolts issues with merriman roid rages! what a joke! SD is going down monday night.
GET READY RAIDER FANS THIS IS A GOOD YEAR!
September 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Last I checked Ron Brace hasn’t done sh-t in the NFL yet. I agree that he may eventually turn into a good player, but this idea that not drafting Ron Brace was a horrendous error and Mike Mitchell is a wasted pick is absurd. Mitchell could become the next Jack Tatum and Brace a journeyman DT. You don’t know.
The Raiders have screwed up a lot of stuff, but I just don’t get people pulling their hair out over two players that haven’t even played a down yet. Also, as far as I know, Brace isn’t even going to start in New England, assuming they stick with the 3-4. And Brace and Seymour play completely different positions so I’m not sure what this trade really has to do with him.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
doriangray = 12 year old suburb living spoiled white kid, that is trying desperately to convince us he is a man of color and ghetto………….yo!
You are so hip can I be like you?
September 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Crow,
Seymour is an elite D-Lineman and gives the Raiders 4 to 5 years of elite and then moving to solid D-Line play.
That 1st rounder in 2011 wouldn’t pay dividends until 2013 or later….who cares about what happens that far ahead!
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And that’s why this team fails.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
hell yeahh!!!!
seymour is gonna be a major upgrade and it was a player we needed.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
doriangray = 12 year old suburb living spoiled white kid, that is trying desperately to convince us he is a man of color and ghetto………….yo!
You are so hip can I be like you?
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Gotta agree with ya man this is obviously a little kid thats tryna act black.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
people who keep on saying that michael bush needs to be traded just needs to stop. This guy is already a beast and he has the complete package. He can run, hes got speed, he can block, hes definitely a good receiver, and hell he can even through. yall dumb if you wanna trade bush. If anybody should be traded it should be fargas.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
WOW SHAM WOW
Screw the pick…we got us a proven stud. Very Nice AL..rock on Nation
September 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
seymour, kelly, bryant, ellis, scott on 3rd and long istead of richardson, warren rotate in. stopping the run is the biggest challenge, scott is too light to be in on passing downs. branch at FS and mitchell SS. move barnes to RT, or henderson depending who does better at LT.