Raiders no longer feel like pushovers
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, September 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Starting Monday, or whenever Richard Seymour arrives from the New England Patriots, you won’t have the Raiders to push around anymore.
That was the prevailing notion among Seymour’s new teammates as one of the NFL’s best and most versatile linemen was acqured by trade for a first-round draft pick in 2011.
The Raiders inability to defend the run over the past six years has been well documented. They’ve never been better than 22nd since 2003 in rushing defense while the Patriots are usually among the leaders.
Perhaps most important, Oakland has been gashed for 122 rushing touchdowns during that span _ the most in the NFL. The Patriots, during that same 96-game period, have given up 56.
“We’re going to get it fixed right now and I think he’s the answer for it,” middle linebacker Kirk Morrison said.
Said coach Tom Cable with regard to Seymour and the run defense: “I think a guy that has proven for, what, seven, eight years now that he’s a terrific run player, can hold the point and separate, get off blocks and make tackles in doing so. I think that gives us a real key piece.”
Seymour will immediately be installed at right end and also play some defensive tackle. He’s 54 pounds heavier than Trevor Scott, the second-year end who held that position through the preseason.
“When you commit somebody of that size to the running game it can only help,” left end Greg Ellis said. “Not just that he’s a pretty big physical guy but the fact he’s been playing the 3-4 and he’s been playing over offensive tackles for the majority of his career. Now he’ll be going against tight ends so you have to say
that should be a win for us.”
Linebacker Ricky Brown agreed.
“He’s considered the best two-gap player in the league, and he’s played in a system where he’s played a gap to his left, a gap to his right, now having him in a single gap, I think he’s going to be a dominant player for us,” Brown said.
Seymour, in theory will enable the Raiders to do defensively what they were never able to do with Warren Sapp _ move him to different places along the line and create mismatches as well as a ripple effect that helps the group as a whole.
“You get a quality player who has done a lot both as a run player and as a pass rusher. In the 3-4, when they reduce down, he’s played as a three technique, he’s been an inside rusher in nickel and all those things,” Cable said. “So there’s a lot of variation to what he brings to the table for us.”
Bringing Seymour aboard was enough to get the usually reticent Tommy Kelly talking.
“You can’t help but admire his game,” Kelly said. “There’s a player that myself, I kind of want to be like. It gives me a chance to see him up close and personal, see how he practices, how he prepares. You play with real good players, especially defensive tackles, defensive ends, you take something from their game.”
Kelly, having played both inside and outside, likes Seymour’s ability to adapt.
“He brings a lot of versatility to the defense,” Kelly said. I mean, if we can’t stop the run now, with that big (expletive) on the edge . . . it definitely upgrades us.”
More news and notes, Seymour and otherwise:
– “Inside, outside, however you want it. He brings it on. (He’s an) excellent complement to the team and hopefully we can shore things up on the defensive side of the ball with him on the field,” defensive tackle Gerard Warren on Seymour.
– Wide receiver Chaz Schilens wants to be back for the second game of the season.
“Without getting into anything too specific, I’d say it’s on schedule. Everything is settled, the bone is healing well,” Schilens said. “It’s not up to me. It’s kind of up to how much pain I have in my foot and how much pain I can deal with.”
– Center Samson Satele is taking news of Chris Morris’ asension as the starter in stride.
“It’s the case now and you know whatever coach wants, the team wants, I’ll do it, but I’ll be waiting for my chance and once I do, I won’t look back,” Satele said.
Satele played against Seymour’s New England teams twice a year, and blocked against him when Seymour moved inside on passing downs.
“He’s a big guy that can move and it’s a good pickup,” Satele said. “He’s a nasty player. It’s good he’s on my side now.”
– Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski said he talked to Jeff Garcia and believes Garcia might still want to play if the situation was right. Gradkowski is well aware of the role he and Charlie Frye will play as Raiders quarterbacks.
“We’re just here to help JaMarcus,” Gradkowski said. “JaMarcus is the show.”
Frye said he remained confident of a roster spot, but noted, “Nothing surprises me after I got traded after the first game with Cleveland.”
Frye last season was the first NFL quarterback to start a regular-season opener and be traded the following week.
– Six players were brought back to the practice squad _ linebackers Slade Norris and David Nixon, wide receiver Jonathan Holland, defensive end Greyson Gunheim, fullback Marcel Reece and safety Jerome Boyd.
– Those who did not practice Sunday were running back Justin Fargas, linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba and Schillens. Linebacker Kirk Morrison (elbow) and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha were limited. Tackle Khalif Barnes went through some drills with the linemen.
– Defensive tackle William Joseph was released to make room for Seymour.
– Brown was working at strong side linebacker Sunday.
– Cable said he has a good idea of his lead running back, but probably won’t announce it until Thursday after he’s talked to Darren McFadden, Fargas and Bush.
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September 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Oh really Fairy? LOL my god the Bay Area news media gets funnier by the second
September 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Seymour will immediately be installed at right end and also play some defensive tackle. He’s 54 pounds heavier than Trevor Scott, the second-year end who held that position through the preseason.
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Cause for concern. Gerard Warren is still starting lol. This is awful. Al get a real run stuffer at NT please
September 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
no man,..that was rough.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
JerrymcdTommy Kelly on Seymour: `There’s a person, myself, that I kind of want to be like. It gives me a chance to see him up close and personal.’
42 minutes ago from web
JerrymcdKirk Morrison on Seymour: “We’re going to get (our run defense) fixed right now. I think he’s giong to be the answer for it.”
about 1 hour ago from web
JerrymcdTom Cable said he has not talked to Seymour. Arrangements being made to bring him to Oakland. Should start vs. SD.
about 1 hour ago from web
JerrymcdTommy Kelly: “If we can’t stop the run now . . . ”
about 1 hour ago from web
September 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
thanks jhill,..because none of us know how to view twitter entries.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Jhill they will still have some trouble. Warren’s sorry ass is still there starting. Seymour helps out but when we play the real elite run games we will have some struggles. It is funny that Warren is best known as a pass rusher and will get took out on passing downs lol. This is idiotic to the highest degree
September 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Well Bob he was doing that for me lol i never get on twitter
September 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I didnt mean to hijack the football talk.
I have been a little “dizzy” all day over the news.
8 days away fellas!!
bestyearever!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
MR’s twitter page: “I’m plotting on killing Al Davis”
September 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
10th!
September 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
whats your plans for opener brien?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I ask again what is the point of having Gerard Warren again?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Bob you snort a whole bail of blow and watch the raiders win lol. Just kidding
September 6th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
lol w.everrrr..
good pickup.
get morrison back and we might have something
September 6th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Seymour is a great pickup because he is a pro bowl caliber player but sad thing is we have to pretend that Warren is a starter……….again lol
September 6th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Jerry Mac…
Thanx for the FIX. Seymour will be a big step in the right direction in stopping the run…
Rib eyes to grill, and a shot of tequila in honor of Merriroid….lol.
Y’all take care…
September 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Brien the General Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Seymour will immediately be installed at right end and also play some defensive tackle. He’s 54 pounds heavier than Trevor Scott, the second-year end who held that position through the preseason.
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Cause for concern. Gerard Warren is still starting lol. This is awful. Al get a real run stuffer at NT please
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Well, Kirk Morrison has no more excuses. Seymour will hold the edge and force those running backs inside.
TK sounds excited. That’s a good thing!
September 6th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I think you will see a lot of Bryant and this year, Warren tends to get hurt.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
brien?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Why are Watkins and Holland still on the squad?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Barnes practicing? I thought he would’ve been out for longer than this?
Brown will be the SLB. Alston was horrific out there. The starting LBs just got a little tad better. The Dline got much better.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Plunketthead Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
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Tell me about it Plunketthead! I got me one of those and I darn near proposed immediately!!! LOL
September 6th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Barnes is Back!!!! He did some drills.
It starting to look much better!
Sign Marcus Freeman, OT Meredith, OL Tony Pashos, and SS Pollard!!
Move Branch to FS, and cut Huff or Eugene.
Cut Sam Williams, Green, Watkins. Freeman is 6′1 240, and played for The OSU.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
finally we get to see how good our LB’s are. No more excuses!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
QUOTE: “Not just that he’s a pretty big physical guy but the fact he’s been playing the 3-4 and he’s been playing over offensive tackles for the majority of his career. Now he’ll be going against tight ends so you have to say that should be a win for us.”
Only if where that easy… Heres to hoping the kool-aid taste a little better this year.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
26. Jayzyz! Thats what I’m afraid of!
Alston DID suck!
September 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Meant 25. Sorry!
September 6th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
alisgod Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
finally we get to see how good our LB’s are. No more excuses!!!
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I can help.
THEY SUCK.
Now that that’s out of the way…funny as hell watching you ladies cheer as if your last place d line is going to jump up.
It’s not.
Seymour had one sack every OTHER game..you know, one every 8 quarters?? Not exactly scary as hell.
And Henderson handled Seymour pretty easily last year.
Raiders were commenting on how Seymour had lost a step, wasn’t as effective..hitting 30, and 3 years since ProBowl level…
And now he’s yours, lol…in exchange for a #1.
Honestly, don’t you think it’s best you don’t do the typical Raider fan preswoon? All these predictions…visions of grandeur?
Actually, wouldn’t have it any other way
September 6th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I thought you choke the lime when you have Tequila!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
A decent enough stopgap. He’ll (hopefully) be here even after Greg Ellis leaves, and hopefully it’ll help along the progress of guys like Scott, Shaugnessy and Richardson. Truthfully, our run defense can’t be any worse, so we only stand to get better from here.
As far as giving up the first-round pick? I see it as one less first-round pick Al can blow. As bad as our track record is with blockbuster trades, it might be even worse with first-round picks.
At this point I’d still really like to see Pashos and Pollard brought aboard. Both of those guys are likely just stopgap measures, as well, but at this point every little bit helps. If we plan on improving as a football team, we have to start winning sooner or later. Another 4 or 5-win season would set this club back even further.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I don’t care how Seymour plays, regardless if it is RDE or DT, he is a professional who will add something better than Warren, Kelly, %%%%%% ass Sand. My main concern is what kind of contract he will sign, is it something like DeAngelo Hall take the money and bail out, Javon Walker 16m, Randy Moss, etc. Whatever contract the Raiders sign him on needs to be structured on heavy incentives and playing time. Snaps and sucks bonuses, pro appearances, list goes on. No Kelly contract and Sands contract, if he wants the money he should have earn it. Therefore, I would have given the Patriots 1st 2010 if he plays well and if he sucks, it would have dropped to 3 rounder. Hell Pats would have cut him next year anyways.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
“incentives”? “should have to earn it”?
Why the hell would he sign that?
He’s a FA in one year.
He has the Raiders by the balls.
Either you pay BIG BUCKS or he walks, and goes to the highest bidder.
which means right about the time the Pats are using your first round pick, you’ll be watching Seymour star in KC, or Denver
September 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Now having Ellis, Seymour as veterans in the DL, I wouldn’t mind signing Derrick Brooks and play him MLB, he is a veteran who knows how to tackle, so having Howard, Brooks, Morrison is would be really great bunch linebackers. I know Brooks played weak side but I believe he can play MLB, he is strong enough, fast and has the awareness needed to play the position. Thats the problem with our young Lbs they dont have the awareness and ways to overcome the blockers during the run, we dont need a sorry player as our LB, a veteran who can help Morrison and howard would be a good thing.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Richochet, every player signs an incentive package, rookies do, check out Terrel Suggs contract, a huge part of it is based on incentives. So u trying to say if the Raiders over him something like 90 mill with 20 mill being partially guaranteed by incentives he would refuse it? lool. Everyone thinks DeAngelo Hall contract was fully guaranteed it wasn’t, he did get a huge money but it wasn’t fully guaranteed. All I am saying is that he plays with the incentive of showing he still has something left in the tank if not, nobody would give him what the Raiders are willin to pay him.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
“Seymour will immediately be installed at right end and also play some defensive tackle”
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I tried to tell you guys, he will be an end 90% of the time he is on the field. Goalline and pass-rushing situations, or because of an injury, will be when Seymour is inside.
Brien, why would you think Scott would stay starting at end? He has been awful and deserves nothing more than what he has earned, which is very limited playing time.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Man, they kept Dez Bryant over Joseph. Now if that doesn’t tell you how impressive that young man is then nothing will. And undrafted rookie kept over three experienced DT’s that is unheard of, and on the 53 man roster. No practice squad no cut and resign he made the freakin team outright!! incredible!!
That’s what I mean when I say it doesn’t matter where you get ‘em, just get ‘em.
I guess they’re leavig Syemour where he’s most comfortable. Which early on makes a lot of sense.
I guess Brien will run outside and scream his head off…….WARREN CAN”T PLAY NT!!! lol
September 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Priesttj,
Bryant got a sack on Drew Brees, who was only sacked 12 FREAKIN TIMES last year all season. Less than once a game, and Bryant got him. Nice feather in the cap for the young man.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
YO! Richochet
Shut yer hole.
period
Cary on Nation
September 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
priest u made a good point about them makin this deal with the idea of seymour getting a long term deal. i dont believe they do this unless they know they can keep him. side note that jahvid best is down right sick. joe mcknight has the benefit of playin at sc but best is better. cals defense was more physical and intense than ive ever seen them. they have better talent and a more aggressive attitude. i hope this seymour deal brings that kind of intensity to our d. they were gang tacklin and hitting like crazy last night!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
When you ad a player like Seymour to a 4 man rotation it really gives you tremendous depth and flexibility. The trickle down affect is HUGE!
Now we have D Bryant, T Scott, and Richardson filling in the gaps instead of them being depended on heavily. If they play Seymour at RDE you have Ellis & Seymour as nice bookends, when they go to a 3 man front of Ellis, Kelly, and Seymour….wow! Howard and Km should be shooting gaps in Marshalls scheme.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Besides the obvious help in run D, Seymour should also help the 2nd biggest area of concern for the D. A consistant pass-rush on 3rd down.
Seymour should be on the field for every 3rd down this year. You don’t take Pro-bowlers off the field on 3rd down.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
what the hell is a ninny?
boy! you have a selective memory
September 6th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
PLAY NT!!! lol
39.vegas raider Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Priesttj,
Bryant got a sack on Drew Brees, who was only sacked 12 FREAKIN TIMES last year all season. Less than once a game, and Bryant got him. Nice feather in the cap for the young man
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He was completely unblocked, skirted a 2nd team RB and grabbed the QB’s helmet to pull him down.
Big time run stop defeating his single team to collapse inside and destroy the behind the LOS was more impressive.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
of course you sign the guy to a long term contract. I’d go 4 years at top 5 $. Whatever we would have paid that 1st rd pick in 2011 and 2012 can go right into this contract. No ridiculous signing bonus to pay to a #1 pick.
Wonder if they will take our #1 next year for Mayo?
September 6th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Scott needs to be back where he can excel and thats 2nd string situational pass rusher.
IF the offense can put up points this year and teams hve to chase us in the back half of the game that puts Scott in a good position to spell either veteran on passing downs when need be.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Shawn Merriman, uh commissioner Goodell wants to see you. Oh! and take the handcuffs off while he’s with Mr Goodell.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I, for one want to see Merriman on the field opening night. Bring his broken down arse on. Actually helps our cause.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
“Cable said he has a good idea of his lead running back, but probably won’t announce it until Thursday after he’s talked to Darren McFadden, Fargas and Bush”.
Almost sounds like he’s going to tell them that Rankin starts. Crazier things have happened. I don’t care whether it’s Dmac, Bush or Rankin as long as we have a formidable running game each & every week. We’ve got the horses, let’s let them run. Ball control helps win games and that’s why we are there. Wouldn’t it be nice to have 3 or 4 1000 yard rushers this year?
September 6th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
47. Oooooh! “Tequilagate!”
Watch the media down play it and talk about Cable and how the Raiders suck! LOL!
C’mon Raiders!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Watkins still on the squad means another deal is in the works for somebody. Watkins will be the next cat cut to make room…..Seymour is paying dividends already. He’s got guys over there talking about the run d is fixed, he’s got guys bones healing faster, guys practicing hurt.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
47. I really have to question whether we’ll have ANY thousand yard rushers this year if the O line stays the same. Starting with Satele and moving right we suck up front.
Carlisle seems to have lost it and Greene is likely the worst starting tackle in the league.
Tenuous that our hopes ride with a guy who stunk it up in Jacksonville ala Kwame Harris style and had off fieled problems in his career to boot.
In fact, he stated flatly he did not even want to play right side before he got hurt. wouldn’t it be something if he made Henderson make the jump? Barnes shouldn’t be blind side cuz he gave up as many sacks as Harris last year.
Have to see. I’d love nothing more than for DMC and Bush to shred the Chargers opening night. LUV IT!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Now that Shawne Merriman has been arrested for choking his girlfriend, we can shore up our linebackers too!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
52. Admit it. You never even saw the play.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Nmamdi,
Call it what you will, I’m sure other guys have come in unblocked for Brees and got there a second late as he completed another pass. Undrafted rookie’s sacking the hardest QB in the league to bring-down is impressive, any way you slice it.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
oops, 54 actually
September 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I was just talking with Slade Norris and he told me we only kept 6 LB’s it caught him by surprise. Boy! was he shocked when he got cut. But it was a slam dunk he would get the PS.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
nin⋅ny
Use ninny in a Sentence
–noun, plural -nies.
a fool or simpleton.
# priesttj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
what the hell is a ninny?
boy! you have a selective memory
September 6th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
The good thing about this trade is the the optimism it brings to the fans. I think Mista and Priest being on the same page, even if for only 2 or 3 posts, speaks volumes. The morale of the fans in general, Al haters and lovers, has never been higher.
Too funny!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
How does Merriman getting arrested shore up our Lb’s ?
# Kirk Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Now that Shawne Merriman has been arrested for choking his girlfriend, we can shore up our linebackers too!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Priest where do I have a selective memory ?
September 6th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
glaring hole? RDE
solution? Aquire the premier player at the position.
Hmmm …
Not bad Al!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Mista, it’s a joke.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Morris is our starting C.
I’m sure Barnes would rather play than sit the bench.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
I thought Slade played well.
Al must not have liked his 40 time.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Priest you said Taylor doesnt allow you at practice anymore, did you stalk Norris? Follow him to Mickey D’s or Starbucks? Explain…
# priesttj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I was just talking with Slade Norris and he told me we only kept 6 LB’s it caught him by surprise. Boy! was he shocked when he got cut. But it was a slam dunk he would get the PS.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Not interested Mista, I’m having too good of a day to suffer fools.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I think “ninny” is the perfect discription for our Oakglen.
What do you think Tj ?
nin⋅ny
Use ninny in a Sentence
–noun, plural -nies.
a fool or simpleton.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
BHP, Hey man hope you are doing well. Question I read where barnes is practicing, is he ging to start at RT or do we have to “suffer” green?
September 6th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Ok Kirk!
great joke bro..
September 6th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
richosytt, dude get a life. Your whiney niners could use him to. We got him and we are happy. What has your team done to improve itself? Has your old lady Crappy showed up for camp yet? How is your first round draft pick coming along? His foot ok? oh wait, he’s not there yet is he…you dumb twat!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
oops, 54 actually
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DVR’d each game and watched all but the Seahawks game more than once.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
C’mon tj loosen up a bit we’re not going to argue today, or I wont be making a fool of you so let your guard down.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
I hope Ellis, Seymour, and Bryant play together.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
71. Then how can you still be WRONG?! Oh thats right, I forgot. You’re a Republican and are never wrong regardless of pesky “facts”! LMAO!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Y’know, I’ve check out Pashos. He struggled last year as did Khalif Barnes becausethey lost all three starting interior line men by opening day.
Fell out with the Jags over money too. Don’t know, may be an option, but good news to hear about Barnes I hope any way.
Still has a lot to prove…
September 6th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Nnamdi are you really trying to start a political debate when your boy Barback is making the biggest mess in the history of the US in less than a years time ?
lol
September 6th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Mista, sorry to chime in but you mean Barrack invaded another country illegally to finance his Texas friends KBR’s accounts while ignoring the real country that was involved with 9/11?
September 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Kirk I don’t think there’s any question they will play together especially on passsng downs. When I saw Bryant in the Dallas game knew this kid was something special. I certainly didn’t think he would make the 53 but when he played NO and Seattle it’s easy to see if this works hard and learns erything he can how to be a pro. He could be as good as he wants to be. When I said that he looks like a young Howie Long wasn’t kiddin’. This kid has extraordinary athleticism. Bryant could be one of th best young Dlineman we’ve had in many years.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Priest can you answer post 65? U did say Taylor disallowed you from practice did you not ?
ALisgod, I’m not interest in 911 conspiracy theory’s. Not on any blog especially a sports blog, sorry.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
alisgod Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Mista, sorry to chime in but you mean Barrack invaded another country illegally to finance his Texas friends KBR’s accounts while ignoring the real country that was involved with 9/11?
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You mean “countries” involved. But I thought we all bought the terrorist with box cutters scenario…
September 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
If Green doesn’t cut down on the penalties he’ll be on the sideline in a hurry. He’s killing drives with the penalties.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Bryant and Shaugnessy in the rotation will be nice to see. Learning from Seymour won’t hurt either.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
It’s just a matter of when as far as Green is concerned. Not if, but when.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
71. Then how can you still be WRONG?! Oh thats right, I forgot. You’re a Republican and are never wrong regardless of pesky “facts”! LMAO!!!
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Your a moron. Registered Democrat and certified pant-suiter. Bryant exploited a mismatch and sacked the toughest QB to bring down in the league. WHAT ABOUT THAT FACT!!!!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Good ol’ uncle Al.
At least it’s never boring being a Raider fan.
Suicidal, perplexing,on the verge of insanity, makes you want to drive into a concrete bridge column, but never boring.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
How long was Barnes suppose to be out?
September 6th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Ok Priest dont answer #65. You are banned from practice but you still talk 2 players….gotcha!
September 6th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Mista,
there’s no 911 conspiracy here Mista. I didnt mention any 911 conspiracy here. It’s quite plain and simple. we illegally invaded another country when we should have focused on afghan. Plain and simple. It was your boys in pwer that did that. If you dont want to talk politics on here, then dont bring it up. If you can’t answer your own party’s issues, then dont talk schytt.
Thec07, no clue what you are talking about. the box cutter boys were trained and managed by the boys in Afghan. But hey we turned around and invaded Iraq instead.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Now we have at least 2 stand up guys on the team very nice. Ellis, and Seymour. Word has it that Seymour is mean, nasty, considered dirty….. I like that….
The preseason told me a lot about our enemy the dischargers. The main thing the oline starting 2 tooks who are not ready. Although rivers did look good in presea he was gettin hit and sacked a lot.
They were looking forward to the status quo, now they have to scheme for Seymour…. Those rookies on the discharger o-line are going to be sh!Ttin on themselves.
Look forward to him bashing in rivers head on monday night…. With the 2 rooks they have on the o-line, rivers is going to be running for his life..
September 6th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Jhill, I hope you’re right and I also hope Barnes is a much better option. He’s still young and can ge a lot better. Morris at center makes me feel much better, Satele had me very nervous. And to think people actually wanted that guy over Grove maes you wonder what the hell they’re looking at.
Now we don’t have a center even as good as Grove. Hopefully Morris will prove me wrong, I did like the kid at MSU but as a late rndr. He’s a lot like Jeff Saturday w/Indy but can he raise his level of play the way Jeff did.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
The last time our D looked any decent was when Burgess arrived for his first 2 years. The D will only look as good as the pressure we put on the QB. Seymour will make Kelly and Ellis look a whole lot better. Morrison should be the happiest guy on the team now. He will make Morrison tons of mils after the season is over.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I wonder if Satele can rebound and take Carlisle’s spot.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Alisgod, I didnt bring up 911 or politics it was Nnamdi.
You are aware we are in Afghanistan since shortly after 911 so we invaded the wrong Country huh?
lmao ok
September 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I remember hearing something about Raiders players quoting that seymour plays dirty list year after we played him.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
If he plays dirty Im glad to have him on our team.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Mista,
dude only an ignorant fool like you would believe that we ACTUALLY focused our attention on Afghan. Only a fool like you. Keep on drinking that “I am Angry and mad as Hell” Rush coolaid bro. It’s good but not as good as the Al Davis coolaid I drink every year.
If you dont want to talk politics on this site, then dont yap about it…see post 76
September 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Mistabrown Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
If he plays dirty Im glad to have him on our team.
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Totally agree, 5 time pro-bowler that plays dirty, I’ll take him.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
w00t!!! look out Sandy Eggo, here we come!
September 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Cause he must be doin it right
September 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I’m all for giving Sam Williams’ scholarship to Derrick Brooks.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Jhill, who knows he just bothered me with his lack of awareness he is the one who sets the protections and then would miss HIS own assignment. Your center must be the most technically sound and assignment sound players and this guy made me really question why he was here.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I dont want derrick brooks on the raiders. At this point in his career hes a poor mans thomas howard.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Derrick Brooks over Sam Williams for what? Derrick can’t play anymore. Ray Charles can see that.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
I wonder why the league has yet to sign Derrick B.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I remember Seymour gettin in the face of the opposing team and inviting them for a brawl and no one wanted to mess with him. I forgot who the other team was but i do remember how mean he was at that time. This is one bad mutha that we signed. Unlike Moss who is never a true leader and professional. Seymour is a legit leader and professional.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Monday night will be interesting. DHB & Murphy to start. They’ll have their work cut out for them. It will be exciting to see what they do with DMC if Green doesn’t kill any drives single handily.
If that defense can now get off the field and give the young O more chances this will be one interesting team to watch come Monday night.
One thing I like about Cable is he really attacks.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Happiest guys on the line should be Ellis and Warren. They should play against single blocks all year. Same with Shaugnessy and Bryant.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
I watched Morris’ preseason snaps and he was actually doing pretty good vs Satele (albeit against the 2nd/3rd stringers …still in the few snaps vs the Seachickens he still looked good).
Satele is really quick but he whiffs on blocks and flat out f’s up his assignment sometimes. Hopefully he gets better over time.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Priest, In your opinion do you think Mr. Davis is done, or will he bring in a MLB? Cable seems to be playing the stating running back issues close to the vest, in your opinion who do you think starts? I would like to see bush, and dmac both on the field at the same time, not every down but as an option to throw at a defense.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Morris looked much more powerful than Satele too.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
[...] Read more. [...]
September 6th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
T’pin, Cable has to attack them none of this conservative crap. Get after them on offense and defense get Rivers off his spot. Make him throw on the move and do not drop any picks. Do you hear me Michael Huff?
Finally it’s here folks!! no more practice games and no more talk, it’s here. And we’ll see where we stand.
Hey Jerry!! Garcia let ya’ down didn’t he? he was your hope that Russell wouldn’t make it. back in May wheyou were maing suc a big freakin’ deal about practice. I told you Garcia couldn’t get it done. Don’t despair hopefully the little twit will pop-up…………..in the CFL.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I’m looking for a a 2 TE set against SD. Or go with a lot of 3 WRs. Does SD man up and put their LBs on our TEs and RBs? Or do they go zone and let their Safeties deal with our WRs. That should be fun to see.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Thec07, I don’t know, I had no clue about this move. It comes down to what they see on film and who’s available. Great players are very hard to come by in a trade. But they could get someone on the waiver wire that they had on their radar at one time.
Anyone paying attention to the thought that we are giving up a top ten pick 2 years from now is looney. This league turns over so fast who knows what the Pat’s may get. Especially if we start to win and win big they could end up with the 23rd pick overall. And we could be lifting the Lombardi trophy for all the know.
Who in their right mind would’ve put the Cards in the SB last year? to say the pat’s are getting a top ten pick is presumptuous a least. Seymour is turning 30 this year he could have as many as 6 years of very productive play. And is we keep getting gems like Chaz, Myers, T Scott and Dez this easy who gives a damn. Dez might be defensive rookie of the year who knows?
September 6th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
priesttj, thanks man… you need your own blog Bruh….
September 6th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
HEY GUYS I NEED HELP
IM COMING IN FOR THE GAME MONDAY FROM SAN DIEGO I NEED A HOTEL MY WIFE HAS FRIENDS IN HAYWARD BUT IM NOT FEELING HAYWARD CAUSE I DO READ HEADLINES ANYWAY WHATS CLOSE BUT NICE MAYBE ON THE WATER STAYING FOR 4 NIGHTS.
MERRIMAN IS ALL OVER THE NEWS HERE LITTLE D@#k ROID RAGER.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
With all these tools cable better use his imagination come monday the 14th. I dont want to see any bland
S#!T i want some fire frekin works…..
September 6th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
THE PATS WILL TRADE THAT FIRST ROUND PICK FOR MORE PICKS IN ALL LIKELYHOOD!! THATS THE WAY THEY OPERATE. I KIND OF AGREE WHY PAY UNPROVEN GUYS WHO’S CHARACTER IS UNKNOWN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
MONDAY WILL BE SOME HEAVY DOSES OF DMAC AND BUSH
THEY WERENT DOING MUCH IN PRESEASON ALLA L.T IN YEARS PAST THEY KNOW HOW VALUABLE THOSE 2 ARE THEY WOULD NOT RISK THEM GETTING HURT.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Thanks Thec07, believe it or not, you’re not the only one who’s told me that.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Theres a reason he is the ONLY one Priest…
Priest did you slip up today ? Taylor banned you from practice, right ?
September 6th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
priesttj, No prob Bro, I call it like I see it….
September 6th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
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September 6th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Priest isnt this blog great! A guy like you can say he cant go to practice one week ago and the next week you can say you were choppin it up with a practice squad player and alot of these goons are none the wiser..
Only a handful are paying attention tj….continue on with your make believe!
September 6th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Of course the Raiders don’t feel like pushovers, Jerry. They haven’t lost a fuqqin game yet. Here, btw, is a short list of other teams who do not, and I repeat, do not, feel like pushovers at this point in the season:
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots
New York Jets
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Denver Broncos
Kansas City Chiefs
San Diego Chargers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
Green Bay Packers
Atlanta Falcons
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carolina Panthers
Arizona Cardinals
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
San Francisco 49ers.
I guarantee you, not one of these teams are felling like pushovers right now. Thanks for the update, Jerry. Raiders not feeling like pushovers. Let me just…jot that down….mkay. Got it.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Seymour seems to me to be the end of an unwritten contract between the Raiders and Pats on the transition of Moss to the Pats. Read between the lines!
September 6th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
All haters are alike. Mista some can, some can’t…….peace.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
# alisgod Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I remember Seymour gettin in the face of the opposing team and inviting them for a brawl and no one wanted to mess with him. I forgot who the other team was but i do remember how mean he was at that time. This is one bad mutha that we signed. Unlike Moss who is never a true leader and professional. Seymour is a legit leader and professional.
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If he’s half the player you say he is, he’ll be bashing the organization mid season due to him being the only one working. Then we’ll see if you still have all of the great things to say about him. You thought Warren Sapp was great when we signed him too, didn’t you? Of course you’ll say now that you didn’t. But you know that’s a lie because we could sign Richard Simmons and you’d talk him up.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
MR? Richie Simmons? Do you know him?
September 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
What makes now different from the past 6 years? the QB…….period
September 6th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
[...] Raiders no longer feel like pushovers [...]
September 6th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
860, I don’t know Richard Simmons personally, any more than I know any celebrity that I mention in here. And I don’t refer to him by pet names like “richie”, either. It’s obvious you’re a fan of his, and that’s the best case scenario.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Wrong, priest. I don’t see where Russell is more effective than Collins. Talented? Yes. But overall effective? No.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
What makes the difference between teams that win and teams that don’t? teams that believe in one another and play with confidence an teams that don’t.
All teams have the talent to win, there may be a difference in a few players here or there. But most teas have the talent to win. But consistent losers are losers because the lack confidence and teamwork. If the Raiders can gain confidence and play together there is very little that they can’t do.
I’ll say this now, if you realy look at the Steelers they really aren’t that talented. They just believe in each other. I would take our roster over theirs. The best team in the league last year was the Pat’s but the didn’t have their QB. If the did they would’ve destroyed the Steelers.
If the raiders can somehow get a few cheap victories early and gain confidence in themselves and in the coaching staff there will be few teams that can deal with us straight up.
Confidence is the Key.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
MR,let me say it again. Over the past 6 years we’ve had patchwork QB’s. Russell has a career ahead of him, now we have a franchise QB to turn the tide with a very young talented team around him. The next ten years he will make his mark…….trust me. He’s hands down better than anyone we’ve had since Gannon.
Instability at that position means instability for the entire organization……period.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Richochet, every player signs an incentive package, rookies do, check out Terrel Suggs contract, a huge part of it is based on incentives. So u trying to say if the Raiders over him something like 90 mill with 20 mill being partially guaranteed by incentives he would refuse it? lool. Everyone thinks DeAngelo Hall contract was fully guaranteed it wasn’t, he did get a huge money but it wasn’t fully guaranteed. All I am saying is that he plays with the incentive of showing he still has something left in the tank if not, nobody would give him what the Raiders are willin to pay him.
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Except that you said basically don’t pony up to seymour, to make him earn it.
Hey, he knows what Al offered Hall, Walker, Kelly, etc..so lowballing him now isn’t going to be conducive to keeping him.
He knows this is likely his last contract coming up…at least the last multiyear one..and I doubt if he’s going to do the incentive bit, considering his surrounding task.
No doubt they could, as you stated, add on something that is the dangling carrot that will make the contract even juicier, but the base is going to have to be huge.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
You guys know more than I do.
Is Seymour going to make us a winning team?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
There is no “I” in TEAM. How in the heck is one man, Seymor, going to be our Savior? How is he going to get them dumb o-linemen to learn the snap count and/or not over-react to every move the d-line make? One man is not going to change the recipe for disaster. There is not going to be a cascade of good play just because we picked up one aging d-lineman. Belicheck ain’t stupid, like most of you, he got himself a good deal. I do not think B is being generous – he got over, again! He kicks Al’s ass in trades all the time! This acquisition is going to do little to mitigate the Monday Night Massacre. So go ahead, rationalize all you want. Remember, even if we do improve, the second line of defense against any hope of the Raiders winning is the corrupt Officials. Lost in the fog of severely bad play by the Raiders in the pre-season was the bad calls by the officials. They will swallow their whistles when the S.D. O-line hold on to our d-linemen for dear life, allowing dickhead to have all the time he needs to find his receivers, and backs to run for hundreds of yards! They will blow their whistle on Raiders players for severely questionable calls, keeping S.D. drives alive (and stalling ours). So even if the Raiders do creep within winning distance, drives will be stalled due to bad officiating, dumb o-linemen moving when they are not supposed, and a novice coach making errors in starting line-ups, play calling and being outcoached in general. Raider 1-7 at mid-season. (Look at the schedule and tell me who the Raiders will beat?) We may have a chance to beat Houston if Collins is the QB, the entire game, other than that we are 0-8.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
I think we will win some games as long as we blitz, and Fargas is not on the field.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Thec07 (post 89),
Seymor better not be “dirty” as a Raider. You know what they say “All is fair in love and War”. The Patriots get away with a lot just because of their name. That will not fly here, Seymor will be flagged immediately, just like Moss was when he was here. All is NOT fair in “Crime and Criminals.”
September 6th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Confidence is the Key.
135.priesttj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
MR,let me say it again. Over the past 6 years we’ve had patchwork QB’s. Russell has a career ahead of him, now we have a franchise QB to turn the tide with a very young talented team around him. The next ten years he will make his mark…….trust me. He’s hands down better than anyone we’ve had since Gannon.
Instability at that position means instability for the entire organization……period.
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The “next ten years”?? lol..what? Not next year? or year after? you’re giving yourself a CUSHION OF A DECADE?
And “trust you”??
Why exactly would anyone “trust you’?
don’t you mean “I hope” instead of “trust me”?
Russell reminds me of Aaron Brooks..both big arms, both run like slugs, both have trouble reading defenses.
I have bad news for ya…so far? this preseason? Russell has looked anything but good, yet here you’re running the “trust me, he’s the franchise”?
Shirley…you jest.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
139,
That is what I mean. We are damned if we do and damned if will don’t. Blitz and Rivers accuracy and experience will mean big plays for them. Do not Blitz and Rivers has time to make big plays! A Hobson’s choice.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Blitz and we knock Rivers out of the game.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
sirblitzalot Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
There is no “I” in TEAM. How in the heck is one man, Seymor, going to be our Savior? How is he going to get them dumb o-linemen to learn the snap count and/or not over-react to every move the d-line make? One man is not going to change the recipe for disaster. There is not going to be a cascade of good play just because we picked up one aging d-lineman. Belicheck ain’t stupid, like most of you, he got himself a good deal. I do not think B is being generous – he got over, again! He kicks Al’s ass in trades all the time! This acquisition is going to do little to mitigate the Monday Night Massacre. So go ahead, rationalize all you want. Remember, even if we do improve, the second line of defense against any hope of the Raiders winning is the corrupt Officials. Lost in the fog of severely bad play by the Raiders in the pre-season was the bad calls by the officials. They will swallow their whistles when the S.D. O-line hold on to our d-linemen for dear life, allowing dickhead to have all the time he needs to find his receivers, and backs to run for hundreds of yards! They will blow their whistle on Raiders players for severely questionable calls, keeping S.D. drives alive (and stalling ours). So even if the Raiders do creep within winning distance, drives will be stalled due to bad officiating, dumb o-linemen moving when they are not supposed, and a novice coach making errors in starting line-ups, play calling and being outcoached in general. Raider 1-7 at mid-season. (Look at the schedule and tell me who the Raiders will beat?) We may have a chance to beat Houston if Collins is the QB, the entire game, other than that we are 0-8.
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Wise man..in his way.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
# alisgod Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I remember Seymour gettin in the face of the opposing team and inviting them for a brawl and no one wanted to mess with him. I forgot who the other team was but i do remember how mean he was at that time. This is one bad mutha that we signed. Unlike Moss who is never a true leader and professional. Seymour is a legit leader and professional.
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Uh…one of is confused.
See, a leader doesn’t taunt other teams into brawling, do they? The example is to maintain your composure, and not take the silly baiting that gets penalties, and evictions.
And professional?
Again, one of us is confused. The true professional acts like he’s been there, and acts like a professional.
Amped up is ok..but wanting a brawl is abusing the right to amp.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
There is no “I” in TEAM
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But there is an M-E
September 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Sir Blitz, it’s like I said earlier today, guys like Belichick butter Al up and tell him how great he is, so they can pull the wool over his head on deals like this due to Al trusting them and thinking they’re friends. Watch Miami start dangling some has beens in front of Al to see if he’ll bite. Parcells plays Al Davis the same way.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I was pondering the same circumstantial eveidence to this conspiracy myself conspiracy, nice call Mr. Christenson.
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Seymour seems to me to be the end of an unwritten contract between the Raiders and Pats on the transition of Moss to the Pats. Read between the lines!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said in statement. “We’ll continue to monitor the situation and let the legal process run its course.”
Smith didn’t return a call seeking further comment.
Smith often speaks of signing “character” players, yet the Chargers have had their share of embarrassing off-field problems in recent seasons.
In 2006, there were seven run-ins with the law by San Diego players, including linebacker Steve Foley’s shooting by an off-duty police officer who suspected him of drunken driving.
Merriman was suspended four games for testing positive for steroids in 2006, and linebacker Stephen Cooper was suspended by the NFL for the first four games of the 2008 season after testing positive for a banned stimulant.
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Can’t wait to be asked “when are the Raiders going to get him?”
September 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I was pondering the same circumstantial eveidence to this conspiracy myself conspiracy, nice call Mr. Christenson.
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Seymour seems to me to be the end of an unwritten contract between the Raiders and Pats on the transition of Moss to the Pats. Read between the lines!
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Dude,I know remember Mike Haynes!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)
September 6th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
History has repeated it self…
Los Angeles Raiders
Haynes played out his option with the Patriots in 1982, and in November, 1983, his contract was awarded to the Los Angeles Raiders in a settlement that gave the Patriots a No. 1 draft choice in 1984 and a No. 2 pick in 1985. He played the last five games in 1983 and then started and had one interception in the Raiders’ Super Bowl XVIII victory.
In seven seasons with the Raiders, Haynes returned only one punt but he added 18 interceptions to give him a career total of 46 which were returned for 688 yards and two touchdowns, including a team-record 97-yard return against Miami in 1984. Haynes was an All-Pro choice in 1977, 1978, 1982, 1984 and 1985 and an All-AFC pick eight times.
In 1997, he was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. In 1999, he was ranked number 93 on The Sporting News’ list of the 100 Greatest Football Players.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
And, I understood Seymour had a good year last year. But here’s the difference between people like Belichick and people like Al Davis. Belichick knows that considering Seymour’s knee surgery and back problems, and the fact that he’s not 23 anymore, it’s only a matter of time before that engine throws a rod, and Belichick is going to get maximum value for him before it happens. Now, it takes an idiot on the other end to fall for it, and this brings us to Al Davis. Al’s facing down criticism of having a poor run defense, and Belichick knows it. So he throws this at him. If the Niners or the Broncos tried to pull this, Al would have laughed and told them to fuq off. But he thinks Belichick is his pal. Belichick butters him up with all of that “coach Davis” genius stuff, and Al thinks they’re boys. So Davis bites. Yes, we could improve our run defense, albeit probably not, because one D lineman that can play the run is not going to slow down a running game. Also, we now don’t have a number one draft pick in ‘10, and will probably have to give up the nucleus of the team to get one, considering we will not be coming off of a Super Bowl victory at that time, and hence a star studded roster that will give us room to trade decent players for a number one pick.
Retire, Al. Please. It’s the only way you’re going to see the silver and black win another Super Bowl in your life.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Sirblitz, then how did we go to the SB 7 years ago? How were we once the winningest franchise in sports? If you really believe we can’t win, then I think you’re in for a rude awakening.
Sometimes the one player you get is exactly the player you need. I know we can win ther is no doubt in my mind because I saw it last year. When we played well we won and beat some playoff teams. You see every team in the league is not ready to win. There are many teams that will beat themselves and if you can use them to gain confidence, that’s all you need.
So I wholeheardtedly disagree with your post #138
But time will tell all. The time for talking is almost at an end.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
RaidersNSuede, you can’t be serious. Mike Haynes went to one of the best teams in the NFL and merely made their defense next to perfect serving opposite another stellar corner back in Lester Hayes. Richard Seymour is going to a team that hasn’t seen a winning season, or even won 3 consecutive games, since 2002. Don’t do this to yourself. It just makes the inevitable early season collapse even harder to fathom.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Forget that Seymour had a good year last year ??? Forget that he is CURRENTLY one of the top guys at his position? Forget that RDE was CURRENTLY our biggest need?
LMFAO!
Doesn’t matter at all. The fact that Al Davis traded for him? Yup, must be a bad move.
Comical!
September 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Preist, we went to the Super Bowl 7 years ago because Al Davis collaborated with Jon Gruden. We’re one of the winningest franchises in history because Al Davis collaborated with the likes of Ron Wolf. Go ahead, name anyone in our organization today who’s demonstrated that he’s as effective as any of the 2 people named above.
That’s why so many of us don’t “believe”, Priest.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
RaidersNSuede, you can’t be serious. Mike Haynes went to one of the best teams in the NFL and merely made their defense next to perfect serving opposite another stellar corner back in Lester Hayes. Richard Seymour is going to a team that hasn’t seen a winning season, or even won 3 consecutive games, since 2002. Don’t do this to yourself. It just makes the inevitable early season collapse even harder to fathom.
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trmr-
Not one of my comments remarked about the season we will be having but the impact of this acquistion was positive. In 1981 the raiders didn’t make the playoffs and were last in the AFC West. They drafted Marcus Allen in 82′ the league had a strike open up the ‘83 season couple games into it trade for Mike Haynes and we win Super Bowl.
Now I’m not saying we win Super Bowl but its a strong move for an improving team. Come on obviously you can’t deny that Rich Seymour is better than Turdell Sands and William Joseph, if you can’t validate that then your football logic is flawed greatly. This is a 16 game season REAL Raider Fans want to see improvement and we certainly are doing so how hard is that to fathom?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
What freakin’ coward MR is, don’t do it, it might hurt……this is sports man. The world doesn’t revolve around this stuff. If we win it’s great if we don’t we have to get better. What is it with you? the road to success is filled with failures. Those afraid to fail will never succeed.
Let’s play ball and let the freakin’ chips fall where they may………..just make sure you keep gettin’ up and try to knock the next suckers block off.
PLAY some FREAKIN’ BALL!!…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
JHill, he’s not worth a first round pick, and we’ll only have him for one season. If we were already a good team, and genuinely making a Super Bowl run, I’d be all for it. Binge now and sell the fire wood later. But we’re not. We only have a few players even worth a crap. We’re at rock bottom. And this is just silly. We’re going to need that number one pick next year, and will probably have to give up a Miller or Nnamdi to get it. Fuqqing moronic. And don’t even think about franchising Seymour. He’ll fuggin sit, and you know it. Who do you think we are, the Steelers? We are not a good team. We are rebuilding. At some point you and preist are going to have to wrap your brains around it.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Yeh, priest, what a coward I am. And how courageous Al Davis is! His courage has worked wonders, hasn’t it? Trading Jon Gruden to a team that would stomp our ass in the SB. All balls. Unearthing Art Shell to instill discipline into the team. The courage! Hiring Monte Kiffin’s son and expecting him to be a puppet. Just BRAVE! If Al Davis is courageous, then obviously the blueprint to winning in today’s NFL is cowardice. I’ll tell you what, for Belichick to try and pull this on any other GM in the league would have taken balls, that’s for sure. But with Davis, it was a safe movie. He knew Al would bite.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Safe move, not movie. Forgive me.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
It’s a 2011 pick not 2010.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
MR
You need to get a life. Seriously. I left at noon and you were sh1ting on everyone’s optimism. Now I return over 10 hours later and you are still a raining sh1t cloud.
Kind of pathetic, actually very pathetic. Now I just plain feel sorry for you.
I enjoyed a beautiful sunny day on the bay, surrounded by family and friends, good times.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
MR get yo’ dumbass outta here. What whinny ass crybaby. go play tiddly winks with the kids outside. Grown men are talking.
How do you ever get to the point where you can win if you don/t make moves like this. how do you think we got the Stork and Matuzak and Willie Brown?
Moves like this that made us better. You don’t wait until you get better you do what it takes to get better. Anybody who’s been a Raider fan do any length of time has seen Mr Davis make many moves like this.
Jerry Rice and Rod Woodson and Lincoln Kennedy. that’s how you make yourself better.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Hey Richoshytt, how is that Ms. Craptree doing on your roster? I still have not heard your response sir!
Hey Mr. aka Miss Pinata, How about you stop acting like an idiot for once. I mean at some point you should stop. Your schytt is getting old. How about we win more than we lose this year and let’s worry about 2011 in 2010 cool? I could give a shcytt about 2011. After the last 6 years, I care more about Monday nite coming up. You dig?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
The pick is in 2011, TWO YEARS from now, not next year’s pick.
1 year and done, huh? Ever heard of the franchise tag? Usually reserved for the top players at their position, right? Seymour is one of the top players at his position, right?
And since when did Al not pay players he wanted to keep?
The AFC West is there for the taking. I know this move throws a monkey wrench in your Al is the worst GM in the league plans. I’m sure you’d rather have T Scott still there so we can stay in rebuilding mode. I mean where would your argument be if we actually won the West and made the playoffs?
I understand why you don’t like the move.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
MR just wants to get a response, any response. He is clearly starved for attention. Poor guy. Very sad.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
RaidersNSuede, you say you weren’t drawing a comparison between this team and the early ’80s team, then segue right into another comparison between this team and the early ’80s team. The only teams in the NFL that can come close be being compared to the early ’80s Raiders, who won 2 Super Bowl, Suede, is Pittsburgh and New England. The only thing we have in common with them is the uniform and the guy who owns the team. We don’t have a GM even remotely resembling Ron Wolf. True, Cable may resemble Flores but we don’t have the players Flores had at his disposal. It’s 2009. We are the worst team in football over the course of the last 6 seasons. There is absolutely no comparison between Mike Hayne’s ‘83 acquisition and Seymour’s acquisition now. None, whatsoever.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Seymour will sit? You mean like Peppers did in Carolina?
LOL!
Yeah, he’ll be the first guy to turn down millions to sit at home. The Raiders keep his right’s if he sits out. Guess you didn’t know that. He’ll play for the Raiders or he won’t play at all.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Everyone have a good evening, even poor little MR. No one deserves what you go through on the daily. Good luck.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
RaiderDogg, I’ve only been in here the past couple of hours. Show me the comments to prove I’ve been in here 10 hours straight. I’ve never been online for 10 straight hours, in my life. Just because I was here when you were here earlier today and am back now doesn’t mean I was in here all day. I think you’re just mad because I was making fun of you earlier. Brien was the one who called you Christopher Cross, btw. LOL. That was funny, though. Saaaaaaailing…
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
LOL, MR …
Hugh Hefner comparison’s? You really compare responses on a blog to getting trim?
LOL! That is too funny.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Actually, the comparison was more aimed toward comparing you guys to women.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
And RaiderDogg, this whole thing about if the Raiders win, I’ll have nothing to complain about… People like you have been saying that to people like me for 6 years, now. If I do stop posting here because we’re winning, it’ll be due to catatonic shock more than anything.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
i really didnt believe my friend when he told me the raiders signed seymour but now that i do lets go!! no more complainin about the defense all we need is a good enough LB to stop the run then the line would be set. and now i just saw the last blog and if im mistaking it says mike mitchell was practicing that is a big plus for the raiders right now on defense
September 6th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
JHill, he’s not worth a first round pick, and we’ll only have him for one season. We’re going to need that number one pick next year, and will probably have to give up a Miller or Nnamdi to get it. Fuqqing moronic.
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Umm the Patriots get our 1st round pick in 2011, not next year. And who’s the moron here?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I got the year wrong, Kush. So, we won’t need the first round pick in ‘11? We’ll be good enough in ‘10 to forfeit a first round pick in ‘11? You’re making this call, considering we’ve been the worst team in the league since 2002?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Kush, dumbest part of it is we’ll give Nnamdi for 1st rnd pick. The Pat’s might give their best player on defense for only a 1st but I can gaurandamntee ya’ we wont.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Ellis,kelly,warren,seymour… sounds like a pretty decent line to me… I think warren will step it up this year playing between kelly and seymour. can’t wait til the first game to see how much of an impact our new addition has
September 6th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
MR own it you’ve earned it:
Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum,chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
MR
Can you once in your life act like a gentleman and say what is in your mind without saying something negative about our team? Seriously, I respect something you say u seem like a smart dude but just all the bashing and talking about the past is irrelevant. We can’t say if Gruden was here and if Al Davis gave up his power, it is what it is and we need to see where our team is heading, personally, I rather have Seymour regardless of whatever we have given up instead of Sands or the dumb players we got on our defense. We need veterans who know how to win this game and if we over pay for him that is due to the fact that beggers can be choosers and we been sucking for the past 6 yrs. You can expect any FA to come here when they have options to be play for championship caliber team except if you over pay them. Perfect example is Fat Albert left the Titans for money he got from the Redskins. Come on bro, you seriously gotta chill sometimes cause your comments seems unreasonable. Now don’t bash me for speaking my mind, I am talking to you as man and not kid with a level of respect.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
priesttj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
What makes the difference between teams that win and teams that don’t? teams that believe in one another and play with confidence an teams that don’t.
All teams have the talent to win, there may be a difference in a few players here or there. But most teas have the talent to win. But consistent losers are losers because the lack confidence and teamwork. If the Raiders can gain confidence and play together there is very little that they can’t do.
I’ll say this now, if you realy look at the Steelers they really aren’t that talented. They just believe in each other. I would take our roster over theirs. The best team in the league last year was the Pat’s but the didn’t have their QB. If the did they would’ve destroyed the Steelers.
If the raiders can somehow get a few cheap victories early and gain confidence in themselves and in the coaching staff there will be few teams that can deal with us straight up.
Confidence is the Key.
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Oh man…what an ignorant post.
You can’t be serious?
“few teams that can deal with the Raiders, straight up”??
AGAIN, YOU CAN’T BE SERIOUS?
You would take the Raiders roster over the steelers?
Raider o line sucks.
Raiders D line sucks.
Raiders WR’s are non-existent..as in WHO DO YOU HAVE?
your self proclaimed 3 headed monster is in fact a “project” in that none have stepped up and taken the reins as starting rb (oh save it about how any of them are going to do anything..so far it’s all “potential”.
You have one good dback, and he’s got a cast on his hand.
How in the hell can you even make such a stupid comment?
And obviously you’ve NEVER played sports..period.
All the desire, attitude, team work, or will won’t help when you’re up against vastly superior in talent opposition. Oh sure, you can “win one for the gipper” inspiration, and all, but according to you, all you need to be an awesome force is guanas.
Sorry dude, but if you can’t tackle? YOU CAN’T TACKLE.
If your receivers have trouble getting open, WANTING TO GET OPEN..REALLY…REALLY BAD won’t make a difference against a more talented back.
A qb either has it or he doesn’t.
I didn’t matter if the whole world was behind Garcia, the guy sucked at leading receivers..sucked at not throwing balls that got the receivers killed..
Pretty ignorant for you to state “If there was teamwork” or “if you believe in yourself” that all of a sudden he’ll turn into Montana, or even turn into a top notch qb.
Won’t happen, period.
Hell, according to you, everyone’s close in talent?
So why even draft? Why not just pull numbers from a hat?
You keep drinking the koolaid bud..at least for another week.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Alright, settle down.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Can Seymour shore the Raiders leaky D?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
yeah, why couldn’t the Raiders work out a deal for Seymour during the Burgess trade? Might not have had to burn a 1st round pick…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Hope he ignites the D.
They can play. They just don’t play together…
September 6th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
jhill Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
LOL, MR …
Hugh Hefner comparison’s? You really compare responses on a blog to getting trim?
LOL! That is too funny.
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No, what’s funny is you read his comment, and you stupidly thought that’s what he meant.
Being slow comes naturally to you, doesn’t it?
I mean…do you practice? How can you be so good at it?
Stare at the mirror for hours?
Chase parked cars??
Whatever it is, it’s working.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
How can any one person rationally explain over 10 STRAIGHT HOURS of pure bullsh1t on a blog about a football team?
Clearly this is MR’s life, it’s all he’s got. If the Raiders win, his little sh1t cloud will evaporate and then what? He will have nothing left to live for.
Sucks to be you MR, it so clearly and painfully does.
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Question is …how do YOU know if it was 10 hours or not?
Were YOU HERE THOSE 10 HOURS?
If so..lol..well..you figure it out.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Here’s a view I haven’t heard from you guys…
Al is losing money on this franchise and can’t afford another season of blackouts.
Seymour drums up some interest and restores some hope that was lost in the blowout loss at home to the Saints. Maybe just enough to put some butts in the seats at home.
Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush (or a 1st 2 years from now)
September 7th, 2009 at 12:06 am
What happened to my post? If there is a mod can you at least tell me what I did to get my post deleted?
September 7th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Seriously, WORDPRESS is worse than maddenraider’s posts.
September 7th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Has anyone heard adam schefters report on richard seymour. When asked who was seymour dealt to, schefter responded the oakland patriots…..
http://videos.espn.com/m/video/26200166/richard-seymour-traded-to-raiders.htm
Freekin incredible….
September 7th, 2009 at 12:39 am
# priesttj Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Kush, dumbest part of it is we’ll give Nnamdi for 1st rnd pick. The Pat’s might give their best player on defense for only a 1st but I can gaurandamntee ya’ we wont.
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Then we won’t have a first round pick. We’ve been the worst team in football for 6 years. Do you honestly think we’re going to be good enough in ‘10 to afford deferring a 1st round pick? A costly penalty for a desperate move.
September 7th, 2009 at 12:41 am
Ricochet, thank you for getting my back on the 10 hours thing. RaiderDogg posts like he’s an intelligent guy. But he obviously never made it past basic math if he thinks it’s impossible for someone to post a comment at 3pm and again at 11 pm, without having been in here the whole time. According to his own logic, he was in here all day, too. Because he was posting early in the afternoon, and again late at night. He said he was sailing. Sure….
September 7th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Ok, Thec. Schefter loses all credibility…because of a typo.
September 7th, 2009 at 12:47 am
MR, Never said he loses credibility… I was listening to the audio version.
September 7th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Raiders75, your theory makes sense. I still lean more toward Belichick pulling one over Davis’s head and taking advantage of Al’s trust. Belichick is a cunning business man first, football coach second. Poor old Al doesn’t even get that. Never mind Al’s grudges being his downfall. It’s also the ensuing bedfellows he’s made in reaction to his grudges. He’ll take any respectable, successful coach or GM in the league willing to stroke his ego and talk about how great he is, to show up his many adversaries. It’s sad, because even his adversaries know Belichicks’ playing him. But that’s what happens when you live in such a bleak, zero sum world, as Al Davis does. You get desperate for important friends. Their companionship gives you an ego boost. Belichick just works his relationship with Al like any Wall Street shark would. Al Davis is helping Belichick build the next NE championship team.
September 7th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Then what was your point, Thec? How is Schefter an imbecile for doing something that everyone does? It was a typo. Do you honestly think he doesn’t know that the Oakland Patriots don’t exist? Sure, it’s funny. But a typo doesn’t make someone an imbecile. Believing Al Davis can still lead an NFL franchise to a Super Bowl, on the other hand…
September 7th, 2009 at 12:56 am
199. Yawn…You’re sooo fu-king intimate with Al Davis aren’t you?
Please…
You better not be on here celebrating when we start winning again…
September 7th, 2009 at 12:59 am
MR, What diffrence does it make what my point was to you? None I am sure….
MR, You need to relax… Stop typing stuff I did not say. My point was listening to the Audio version is funny. thats all, I never said anything about a typo.
To hear adam schefter say the Oakland Patriots is funny. did I ever claim that he doesnt know the oakland patriots dont exist? Are you going to law school or something because you sure seem to want to argue, or debate people over nothing….
September 7th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Nnamdi, when we start winning again? When the heck is that supposed to be? We’re the worst team in the NFL over the course of the past 6 years, and have the same GM. If that’s what you’re waiting for, is the team to win so I’ll stop posting here, I wouldn’t hold your breath.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:08 am
You didn’t say it was funny, Thec. You said he was an imbecile. Is he more or less of an imbecile than people who still thinks Al Davis can GM a team to a Super Bowl?
September 7th, 2009 at 1:08 am
What the naysayers don’t understand about ateam that hasn’t won and a plar of this calibre added to te mix. Is the fact that a young desparately in need of leadeship, when it gets that leadership ie; Russell, Ellis and Seymour anyone of them could spark this team. JaMarcus Russell being so young at QB doesn’t allow him to readily take charge the same is true Nnamdi, Kirk and others that haven’t won at this level. When you bring in someone capable of giving them simple direction in tough times it can make a huge differece.
Rod Woodson coming here was the linchpin in us turning tht game around in Denver when this team could’ve caved in he wouldn’t let it happen. Sometimes it just takes the right words by someone inthe trenches who’s fighting beside them that makes the difference. It’s not that the don’t hae the talent they haven’t had the leaders they need.
Late in games when th other QB’s would make bone headed throws and miss wide open recievers. Russell took this team by throat and was the driving force to beating Tampa. No he didn’t necessarily do it himself he gave them the confidence to get it done.
2 years ago when we had KC by the throat and we were making a game winning drive Culpepper threw it right to the DB and killed a young team. If he engineers a game winning TD, we win and maybe win several more games.
One key play can sometimes make an entire season. Just based on Kelly’s comments you can see his confidence has grown the players antennas went way up just hearing about the signing. Now if he comes here and plays well it could change their attitudes completely. They know the owner and the coaches all really want to win. And I believe once they do they are going to be hard to stop. Winning is very contagious and much more fun than losing.
I really believe that 3 wins in a row and this team will be on a roll because they have never experienced it before. Just two wins in row and Nnamdi re-signs, They are desparate to win.
And I believe they will. Naysayers be damned!
September 7th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Priest, like 10 typos in your first sentence alone. Sober up and try again tomorrow.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:13 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 1:08 am
You didn’t say it was funny, Thec. You said he was an imbecile. Is he more or less of an imbecile than people who still thinks Al Davis can GM a team to a Super Bowl?
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MR what is wrong with you? Do you need attention that bad?
you must be on drugs or drunk. read my post, I never said he was an imbecile…… Those are your words not mine. ROFLMAO…… You are too funny….
September 7th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Thec07 Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Has anyone heard adam schefters report on richard seymour. When asked who was seymour dealt to, schefter responded the oakland patriots…..
http://videos.espn.com/m/video/26200166/richard-seymour-traded-to-raiders.htm
Freekin incredible….
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Where in this post is the word imbecile?
Seek help….
September 7th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Anybody who ends a comment with “Naysayers be damned!” has to be drunk. LOL.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Oh! and all of a sudden DBurgess is this great player. The Pat’s solidified their line by signing him. Sometimes your own arrogance will kill you Burgess is a great edge rusher but far from the kind of player that solidifies your line. He was agreat edge rusher for us and will be for them. But the Pat’s defense wasn’t great last year ad took a hit this year. But they do have a great coach and they did get a lot younger. We’ll see if that means better.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:18 am
NAYSAYERS BE DAMNED!!!
September 7th, 2009 at 1:21 am
NAYSAYERS BE DAAAAAAAMNED!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Johnny_Drama_Victory.jpg
September 7th, 2009 at 1:21 am
MR, without glasses I can see incredible looking like imbecile. I retract the statement about you needing help…..
September 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am
Well, could be my eye sight, or the beer. I blame the beer last.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:49 am
No talking how good we can be Kelly,Morrison,Howard just get it done play with some Damn pride and knockout a MFER tired of are D being so soft!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 7th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Priest post 153
God bless you priest. I appreciate you optimistic view of this organization. I try to ride the wake of your enthusiasm but you walk by faith not by sight. I here you on the radio, I read your blogs and there is no doubt you know a heck of a lot more than me. But I arrived (almost surrendered) to my conclusion based on the repeated history of the same old crap for many, many years! I felt John Gruden was the 3rd best coach Al has ever picked. We got beat by his team in the superbowl but it was his coaching that was the catalyst to get the Raiders there in the first place. He was a dedicated, intelligent workaholic of a coach. I sensed he could take us to the Promised Land and he did. Yes, he was conservative, but when you are not pumping on all cylinders (weak-armed, overachieving, workaholic Gannon) you have to go slow over that mountain, or you gonna find yourself parked on the side of the road (waiting for next year to get over that mountain).
I have to tell you, I try to look at this team as objective as a mathematician; and when I do that I come to the same conclusion: 1 -1 = 0. Tom Cable does NOT impress me as a B. Belechec, Walsh, Cower, J. Johnson or even Mangeni (no longer a HC). I am watching him on the sideline and I try to look into his eyes and see if the lights are really on. He has his poker face on but I can see he is so lost out there: “The N.O. PRESEASON game is not going to Define Us”! Of Course Not! That cliché should not even have been used! He should of used another cliché like “We are still in the evaluation process. That was a PRESEASON game so let’s keep things in context. Yes, my team was sleep walking out there today but our main objective is not winning Preseason Games. It is more important for us to learn from this lackadaisical performance and move on to winning games – when it counts. I told the guys to dump this game and re-focus on what is really important bla, bla, bla……” I am wondering what has Cable done in the past, that would merit such a grandiose promotion – to one of the 32 hardest to get jobs in the world? Please help me understand. I feel like a battered wife that really wants to believe he will never strike me again but every time I give him a chance and the Raiders lose another game, he punches my lights out! Dang!!! Why can’t I remember that!!!? Finally, I admit I love this man, but I am choosing not to care if I ever see him again. That parallels where I am with Al Davis and his (not our) Raiders. Does that make any sense?
September 7th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Well I guess you can say it is “our team”, in a sense, since WE ARE PAYING FOR IT! But then it is not because WE ARE NOT GETTING ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR OUR INVESTMENT!
September 7th, 2009 at 3:08 am
Not so fast guys – there’s a silver (and black) lining in all of this. We get some instant, proven D-line help now and sacrifice a 2011 pick that will, hopefully, be a mid-rounder at worst. The bottom line is — our D-line just got a little (hopefully, A LOT) better! It would be nice to see one of these moves really pan out for us — poetic justice would be for Seymour to have a solid year and Burgess to suck.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:24 am
Well, there’s no questioning that we need Seymour and we need him now.
You have to wonder whether this is a mistake long-term though.
Seymour has five pro-bowls in nine years. He also has knee and back problems is 30 this year and in the final year of his contract.
Then there’s the question of the 1st pick in 2011. He was probably worth a second in 2010.
In 2011, a first pick might well be worth a lot more if rookie contracts are controlled by the new contract.
Adam Schefter likes the deal.
He said so when he announced that Seymour would be traded to the “Oakland Patriots”. I have to admit that made me blink a few extra times.
KC and Denver both have ties to NE but passed on Seymour and Denver could use him.
Going for Seymour is the kind of deal you do when you think you have a shot a the superbowl in that year. We’re not going to the superbowl unless we buy tickets.
Nevertheless the trade in this year will really help the team in stopping the run. That would be a good thing.
Seymour, like Ellis, is a great example of how to play football. He may also be of great help to Kelly who’s been getting double-teamed. Maybe his preparation will be of some help to Kelly too because there’s something wrong with what he’s doing.
I think I’ll look at this a Seymour for Burgess trade. That’s a good deal.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:39 am
One more thing:
RAIDERS UBER ALLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 7th, 2009 at 4:00 am
EnglandRaiders…….where abouts in England are you from ?
September 7th, 2009 at 5:06 am
Does any one out there think that the pick is dependent on Seymour signing a new contract with the Raiders? Or if he doesn’t they’ll only get a 2nd round pick for example?
September 7th, 2009 at 6:23 am
This trade is further proof of Al Davis’ senility. How do you trade a first-round pick without signing Seymour to an extension first? Davis will eventually OVERPAY Seymour to keep him from leaving, so the team won’t have to face the 2011 draft without its pick or the player it traded the pick for.
How much will Seymour help in the short-term? He’s past his prime and injury-prone. He’s also known to be a moody guy who may not like playing for the worst team in the league. If the Raiders’ run defense goes from 31st to 24th, so what? Seymour alone can’t help this team win more than 5 or 6 games, tops.
The only way to rebuild this team is to draft successfully. It is the only way. The Raiders continue to lose because their annual top 10 picks have yielded no production so far. Now the Raiders’ next coach will have to start his regime (or maybe his second year) without a top-10 pick.
If Russell doesn’t pan out — it’s 50/50 at this point — that 2011 pick could have been our next QB of the future…
September 7th, 2009 at 6:54 am
ESPN was just ripping the Raiders for cutting Garcia.
September 7th, 2009 at 7:16 am
arrighty then they may be reading my mind!! but there is no way Mr Warren should start he doesn’t have it! In my mind starting D-Line Mr Seymour, Mr Bryant, Mr Kelly, Mr Ellis. This may get the job done for once!! Then maybe the offense can stay on the field for more then just 3 and outs!! So they get some type of rest!! in between sets!
September 7th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Oaklifer
September 7th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Oaklifer I’ll log in tommorow for you ok.
September 7th, 2009 at 7:39 am
profootballtalk.com is reporting that Seymour is “pissed” about the trade and theres a possibility he wont report to oakland which would make the trade not happen.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:23 am
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September 7th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Well I wouldn’t take PFT too seriously with that report. Its all from 3rd person. Money can cure a lot of ills when it comes to a football player.
I expect him to report. He’ll be in a very bad predicament if he does not – even according to PFT.
The weird thing in all this is Raiders.com has not updated its website to reflect this mammoth acquisition. They’ve updated the transaction page but no real piece on the acquisition itself.
But hey, maybe its just the LD weekend.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:40 am
ESPN just proves further how asinine they are. I mean really, Jeff Garcia? Like how many teams has he been on? Has he taken any of them to the promise land?
September 7th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Cable said yesterday they (the Raiders) were in the process of getting everything setup for him to get here. That could be a lot of things (maybe contract signing) but it clearly means they expect him to show.
Jeanette Thompson also reported yesterday on Behind the Shield Online that he was expected later after practice.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:48 am
This move simply validates how little talent we have had on our Dline for several years. It also points out that Mr Davis sees the problem as well. Probably the best thing to happen to us was the Saints embarrassment.
The notion that we could coach this unit to respectability was ridiculous. Burgess was always injured and weak against the run. Sands and Joseph were cast offs who could not play at the NFL level.
We now have a respectable albeit aging starting defensive line that will need our first pick next year to be a DT replacing Warren. Hopefully a guy like Shaugnessy can step in for Ellis.
Our second round pick needs to go to an OT.
Next years draft must focus on the lines.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:53 am
raiderzride4free Says:
profootballtalk.com is reporting that Seymour is “pissed” about the trade and theres a possibility he wont report to oakland which would make the trade not happen.
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Another bull3!t report. The headline reads:
What if Richard Seymour doesn’t show in Oakland?
What is this, Marvel Comics “What if” issue? What if Tom Brady has a sex change? What if Fox News told only the truth?
A good friend of Seymour’s told King on Sunday, “I would not be surprised if he doesn’t report.”
We’ve heard the same sentiment. So the source posed a great question.
What happens if Seymour doesn’t show?
Peter King?? Are you serious? What if Al Davis found Curly’s gold & bought the Patriots & Broncos? What if Pat Bowlen has alzeimers?
New Rick Reilly article
The Denver Broncos’ Pat Bowlen used to be one of the cleverest owners in sports. But now he’s being undercut by an insidious opponent — himself.
Bowlen, 65, admitted recently that he has “short-term memory loss.” There are whole parts of the Broncos’ Super Bowl seasons he says he can’t recall.
Bowlen still insists Jay Cutler never called him back during McJay Gate this winter, which left him “no choice” but to trade a dead-lock Pro Bowl 26-year-old quarterback for Kyle Orton and draft choices.
But I’ve now got it from three different sources — who choose to remain unidentified — that Cutler did call Bowlen back.
“Jay called him twice,” said one source. “It’s unbelievable it came to this.”
New Rick Reilly article
The Denver Broncos’ Pat Bowlen used to be one of the cleverest owners in sports. But now he’s being undercut by an insidious opponent — himself.
Bowlen, 65, admitted recently that he has “short-term memory loss.” There are whole parts of the Broncos’ Super Bowl seasons he says he can’t recall.
Bowlen still insists Jay Cutler never called him back during McJay Gate this winter, which left him “no choice” but to trade a dead-lock Pro Bowl 26-year-old quarterback for Kyle Orton and draft choices.
But I’ve now got it from three different sources — who choose to remain unidentified — that Cutler did call Bowlen back.
“Jay called him twice,” said one source. “It’s unbelievable it came to this.”
—–What if Al can get Pat to sell for a couple hundred $$$?
http://famguytoday.blogspot.com/2009/08/bowlen-has-alzheimers.html
September 7th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Next draft will have to focus on the lines. D or O, maybe even LB. Think about it, what other “skill” position is there left to draft?
They’ve already drafted at WR, TE, RB, QB. The only position I can see them drafting another WR but thats a far stretch especially if Murphy shows up and Schilens validates. Ignoring DHB because he will be given time.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Wow. Thats sad to hear anyone getting Alzheimers …but to think he made the Cutler decision as a result of it …maybe the league should get involved there? They could very well need intervention more than you all say the Raiders do.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:08 am
What if Merriman had good taste in women? What if he had good taste in haircuts? What if Bowlen & J Russell quit wearing fur coats? What if MR blogged on a site of the team he roots for? What if Narco was in Betty Ford more than Gerald Ford was? NEWS AT 11!!!
September 7th, 2009 at 9:15 am
IMO, this is the only way Al uses a 1st round pick on the D line.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Not a bad use of a first rounder: at least he’s an established player.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:22 am
# Richochet Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
How can any one person rationally explain over 10 STRAIGHT HOURS of pure bullsh1t on a blog about a football team?
Clearly this is MR’s life, it’s all he’s got. If the Raiders win, his little sh1t cloud will evaporate and then what? He will have nothing left to live for.
Sucks to be you MR, it so clearly and painfully does.
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Question is …how do YOU know if it was 10 hours or not?
Were YOU HERE THOSE 10 HOURS?
If so..lol..well..you figure it out.
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Or you could just scroll up and see 10 hours of posts since they are time stamped, but only a sheer imbecile would not be able to figure that out…..oh right, it’s lil ricky, forgot.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I would rather trade 1st rounders for guys like Seymour than draft “can’t miss” prospects such as Gallery and Huff.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:36 am
NATION, whats up????????
Niners just sign pashos to one year deal. He would have been an upgrade….
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/07/pashos-to-49ers/
September 7th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Its unreal that Crabtree still hasn’t signed – unreal.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am
ok now im hearing that seymour wont show?? what the hell profootballtalk saying he was angry about the trade and on yahoo there is a article about deangelo hall dissing the raiders and saying things like “i feel seymours pain” “black hole is a giant hole for great players” and this…”You got out there [to Oakland], there are eight out of 11 starters taking days off,” he said. “I felt like, ‘Hey, I’m the big money acquisition. I’m the only guy out here who has been in a Pro Bowl. I should have the day off, too.”
September 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Happy labor day nation. Cant wait 4 discharger game.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Terrapin Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Its unreal that Crabtree still hasn’t signed – unreal.
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Unreal?
You have a short memory.
Your blob of a qb didn’t sign until after WEEK TWO of the season.
You sure it’s “unreal”?
Difference is Crabtree truly was the BEST WR in college.
Russell was anything but.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:55 am
RaiderNation4Life1 Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am
ok now im hearing that seymour wont show?? what the hell profootballtalk saying he was angry about the trade and on yahoo there is a article about deangelo hall dissing the raiders and saying things like “i feel seymours pain” “black hole is a giant hole for great players” and this…”You got out there [to Oakland], there are eight out of 11 starters taking days off,” he said. “I felt like, ‘Hey, I’m the big money acquisition. I’m the only guy out here who has been in a Pro Bowl. I should have the day off, too.”
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Oh man…that’s “Rich” (play of words..couldn’t resist.)
Classic..truly laughed out loud reading that.
Interesting that I alluded to exactly that yesterday, in the comment that ESPN made “Who did Seymour piss off in NE? Going from filet mignon to spam”
Wow..if that’s true…massive WOW.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Hey jerry nice job yesterday. Now make with the fix.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:57 am
[...] Oakland receiver Chaz Schilens(notes) (foot) may return by Week 2. "Without getting into anything too specific, I’d say it’s on schedule. Everything is settled, the bone is healing well." He’s worth the wait, despite his employer and his quarterback. [Oakland Tribune] [...]
September 7th, 2009 at 9:58 am
R8 is back!!!!!!
Where have you been dude?
September 7th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Yeah dummy jr is a qb not a wr. Sheez what a tard
September 7th, 2009 at 10:03 am
=)
September 7th, 2009 at 10:04 am
[...] Oakland receiver Chaz Schilens(notes) (foot) may return by Week 2. "Without getting into anything too specific, I’d say it’s on schedule. Everything is settled, the bone is healing well." He’s worth the wait, despite his employer and his quarterback. [Oakland Tribune] [...]
September 7th, 2009 at 10:07 am
He better be on TV in a few hours telling us how much he loves it here, and how it was his dream to play here, or NE can have their Pussy back!!!!
September 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Hey, cool – Lil Ricky is back! Man, you’d think on Labor Day he might lay off the Red Bull and candy corn at least until noon.
But he wouldn’t be the silly little spazz we all love if he didn’t, right?
Man, I wonder if Lil Rick even slept a wink this whole weekend. You can see the awesome acquisition of Seymour really has his blood boiling today, so let’s just hope the little dude doesn’t go in sudden cardiac arrest.
After all, the combination of candy, white drugs and adolescent rage is definitely not recommended by the Surgeon General.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Yeah Im sure Seymour is a bit pissed of right now. Give it a while he will play. People want to get paid. I agree with what was mentioned above. Id rather have a proven guy then have our team spend a ton of money on 1st round picks who arent proven in the nfl and cost more to sign than veteran players. Honestly why dont we just trade some 2nd and 3rd round picks for 2010 or 2011 and upgrade our defense some more. Heck if we can grab another great player trade away our 1st rounder for 2010. Would prove to Seymour and the rest of the defense we are serious about winning and we wont have to have any inflated 1st round salaries to pay out for 2 years
September 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Raider75 Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Here’s a view I haven’t heard from you guys…
Al is losing money on this franchise and can’t afford another season of blackouts.
Seymour drums up some interest and restores some hope that was lost in the blowout loss at home to the Saints. Maybe just enough to put some butts in the seats at home.
Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush (or a 1st 2 years from now)
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Didn’t happen when you signed Moss.
Or when you signed Sapp.
drafting Russell? No change..
Are you aware that in ‘02? Last home game of the season? Where Raiders needed the win for playoff ramifications? BLACKED OUT.
Was humourous listening to JT the Brick (on 1050 at the time) literally begging Raider fans to show up. Saying “You’ve been saying for years that if the Raiders put a good product on the field you’ll show up…WELL, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?”
Nope..the only thing that sold more tickets? Was the Raiders slashing prices to something like 27 bucks a seat for some sections (which REALLY PISSED OFF THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS OF THOSE SECTIONS..but..I digress…
September 7th, 2009 at 10:23 am
cornfieldraider Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I would rather trade 1st rounders for guys like Seymour than draft “can’t miss” prospects such as Gallery and Huff.
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Exactly. Gallery and Huff were not crazy picks either. They were the guys everyone said the Raiders should take. Draft prospects are a crapshoot. And 1st rounders are expensive. A pick in 2011 isn’t going to start to payoff for 3 or 4 years or maybe never.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Oakglenn Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:22 am
# Richochet Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
How can any one person rationally explain over 10 STRAIGHT HOURS of pure bullsh1t on a blog about a football team?
Clearly this is MR’s life, it’s all he’s got. If the Raiders win, his little sh1t cloud will evaporate and then what? He will have nothing left to live for.
Sucks to be you MR, it so clearly and painfully does.
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Question is …how do YOU know if it was 10 hours or not?
Were YOU HERE THOSE 10 HOURS?
If so..lol..well..you figure it out.
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Or you could just scroll up and see 10 hours of posts since they are time stamped, but only a sheer imbecile would not be able to figure that out…..oh right, it’s lil ricky, forgot.”
LMFAO!
OG you are the man. These idiots just don’t get it do they? MaddenRaider was on here for over 13 hours straight yesterday, just getting off on being a total asshole. He was on here yesterday talking about having sex with my dead mother. All because he lost an argument with me. He loses an argument so he relies on classless and moronic insults. Clearly needs help.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Richochet Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am
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Be objective here. You are talking about 2 totally different situations.
One player was the FIRST player picked in the draft and is a QUARTERBACK (not to mention it was well known that he would not play much IF ANY in his 1st year). He sets the pace – he is the highest paid. I don’t need to explain this. (And the dispute didn’t have to do with money, but something about the ‘claw-back’ the Raiders would be entitled to if he screwed up ala Adam Packman Jones as I recall. This was a big deal at the time b/c some team got screwed out of doe. So AD sets the trend here again).
The other player is a WR with a SLOTTED PICK – meaning its standard practice (unless you are a QB taken in the 1st round) that you will get more than the player selected below you and less than the player selected above you.
Yet this moron either wants more or at least the same coin as a WR taken 3 spots ahead of him!! 9 teams had the opportunity to pick him and they ALL PASSED!
September 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Terrapin
You are expecting a complete MORON (Ricosh1t) to actually make sense. You will be waiting a very long time for this one, he is a total imbecile. Just wanted to give you the heads up not to waste your time.
September 7th, 2009 at 11:00 am
This is a good deal for us for a variety of reasons, but primarily because of the timing. This is JR’s third year in the league, typically the break-out season for young QB’s and we are stacked at all the skill positions on offense and our oline is good enough to be a top 5-10 rushing team and will be better in pass pro once Barnes replaces Green on the right side.
If our offense is predicated on running the ball so we can go vertical with play action, we need more offensive plays per game which means we have to stop other teams from running against us and limiting our possessions.
For the first time in years I witnessed the left side of the line being held vs. the run thanks to Greg Ellis. Many of you know I did not like Burgess because he could not hold the POA and simply tried to speed rush his way to sacks on all but the most obvious running downs which is why I wanted him gone or moved to 3-4 OLB (surprise, surprise that’s what he’s doing in NE).
Remember that an offensive line’s job is to “get movement” – the reason behind that is if you can move defenders and spread them out, the RB will have big holes – and the LB will have to make tackles in space (if he can even cover all that space. Now that we have Seymour, our two bookends will hold the POA on each side which will clog up the middle by squeezing those gaps so our LB’s don’t have to make tackles in running lanes that are the size of freeways (one reason why most of Morrison’s tackles are so far down the field is that he can’t shoot a gap because the hole is too big, he has to wait for the play to come to him, break down, and react – our DE’s have been so bad it’s like watching punt return coverage – you have to give up some yards otherwise the returner is going to run right past you.
Now, with Seymour and Ellis, two PROBOWL DE’s that can stop the run and hold the POA, the running lanes will be compressed, the LB’s will be able to attack the line of scrimmage and shoot the gaps, and our DT’s should make more plays because their gap assignments won’t be the size of the grand canyon. I remain concerned about Gerard Warren’s ability to hold up his end of the bargain and not get pushed around, but in all fairness he is a natural three technique and the Raider DE’s have not helped him at all overcoming double teams and taking some of that pressure off. If Warren can be just an average undertackle/nose tackle in this scheme, which he should be with his size and the presence of two probowlers, our run D problems are solved.
Make no mistake, this isn’t all because of Seymour, but rather Seymour and Ellis -
September 7th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Terrapin Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Richochet Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am
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Be objective here. You are talking about 2 totally different situations.
One player was the FIRST player picked in the draft and is a QUARTERBACK (not to mention it was well known that he would not play much IF ANY in his 1st year). He sets the pace – he is the highest paid. I don’t need to explain this. (And the dispute didn’t have to do with money, but something about the ‘claw-back’ the Raiders would be entitled to if he screwed up ala Adam Packman Jones as I recall. This was a big deal at the time b/c some team got screwed out of doe. So AD sets the trend here again).
Richochet: Set the trend? lol..some label it as something different. What no one can dispute is that little hitch pretty much cost Russell a full year of developing..lost the chance at getting his feet wet in 4 consecutive preseason games, not to mention all of preseason practice..so..in essence..Russell got what? 8 mil? 10 mil? to sit, and basically be non-productive?
What’s funny is Al then proceeded to sign “Off field mayhem of disaster” Javon Walker, while making JR sign that says he won’t pull a Javon Walker/Pacman?
Irony at it’s best, wouldn’t you say?
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The other player is a WR with a SLOTTED PICK – meaning its standard practice (unless you are a QB taken in the 1st round) that you will get more than the player selected below you and less than the player selected above you.
Yet this moron either wants more or at least the same coin as a WR taken 3 spots ahead of him!! 9 teams had the opportunity to pick him and they ALL PASSED!
Richochet: And history teaches you what, exactly?
That the chances are, IMO, a dozen or more teams will totally TORCH their first round pick.
Yes, Crabtree was past on, because of his injury, and not being at combine, which happens.
You will find NOTHING about Crabtree being a diva/prima donna, etc in college, or anywhere. Mancini’s comments mean squat..what matters is those who know him, and Singletary’s.
Now back to your comment..if you look at what players contracts were, you’ll see they aren’t in line, at all. Saw an article the other day where there were a few who made more, per year, than players drafted before them.
Like I said before, Singletary was a second round draft pick.
He stated “I’m holding out for first round money. I should have been drafted in the first round. I’m the best.”
He was.
And he got what he wanted.
And obviously that was a long time ago…
And yes, next year? They’ll be another Crabtree.
Oh..and the rookie salary cap? WON’T EVER HAPPEN..ever.
September 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
[...] Oakland receiver Chaz Schilens(notes) (foot) may return by Week 2. "Without getting into anything too specific, I’d say it’s on schedule. Everything is settled, the bone is healing well." He’s worth the wait, despite his employer and his quarterback. [Oakland Tribune] [...]
September 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
[...] sinks into Oaktown with their latest trade acquiring Richard Seymour in hopes of stopping LT running over them year in year out. In a way, I’d rather have my team invest in a proven player vs rookies that never pan up [...]