Quick update
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, September 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Late arrival to Alameda today. Some quick hit notes . . .
– The Boston Herald has reported Richard Seymour has recieved a letter from the Raiders giving him five days to report, citing a friend of Seymour’s who said the notification was hand-delivered.
To be clear, the letter is not a ticking clock. It does allow the Raiders to put Seymour on a reserved/left squad which could start his contract all over next year _ still as property of the Raiders _ but he isn’t automatically put on it after five days.
Starting to remind me of the JaMarcus Russell holdout, where he finally joined the team after the first game of the season.
Coach Tom Cable said he knows nothing about the letter and is focused on the Chargers.
– An 24-hour extension was received for Monday night’s game against San Diego. Hard to believe they won’t sell it out, but apparently it’s no slam dunk.
– Running back Justin Fargas missed practice again with a hamstring injury, making it more likely he would miss the opener with Darren McFadden and Michael Bush getting the work.
– Kickoff return specialist Nick Miller missed practice with shin splints for the second straight day. The backup kickoff returner is Johnnie Lee Higgins.
– Johnnie Holland has moved from wide receiver to cornerback on the practice squad following the addition of Paul Hubbard. Holland played corner in high school and college.
More to come later . . .
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September 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I just do not understand this situation. I cannot wait until the facts come out. I just do not see this as being a “because he does not wanna play for the Raiders” scenario
September 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Better late than never
September 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
This Seymour issue needs to be resolved asap. I believe they are working out a deal. Of course the Raiders need him in now and want him in even before a deal in struck.
In all my years following the Raiders I have only known it to be this quiet (club, player, agent) when a deal is being negotiated. I don’t know why but instead of saying that out front the organization prefers absolute silence. Maybe so they can deny something – who knows?
TScott manning the edge on all downs is problematic to say the least.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Seymour’s playing hardball with the wrong owner. I hope he’s prepared to retire. If he is, more power to him.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Don’t most teams ask permission to discuss the possibility of an extension with a player that only has one year left on his contract before they trade for that player to prevent situations like this?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
#5 “DING DING” good answer!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
This is no Seymour won’t report because he doesn’t want to play for the Raiders issue imho. If it were, he and his agent would’ve been outspoken. Take T.O., Brandon Marshall, Jay Cutler or whomever wanted to be OUT. They sure weren’t silent about it.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Jerry is late because the Raiders have already put him on the reserved/left squad.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Damn call up Peppers already and see if we can’t make a trade for Grady as well.
BTW, is there an option to trade Seymour to someone else, like Miami, Buffalo or the Jets?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I wonder what type of credibility Seymore will have in the locker room with his teammates after this fiasco.
Al has made it clear. Its not a matter of ‘if’ its a matter of ‘when’ he reports.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
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September 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
i hope it gets done 1 way or the other and quick that way we can move on with him or posibly go after another big time d line
September 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
REPOST:
RR
Thats the issue he must have already told us that he is NOT reporting because hs still has a few days to report.
The fact that he has a couple days and we already put him on the list means there was commubnication between parties and he is NOT coming
September 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
put richardson out there, didn’t the coaches see scott can’t stop the run. WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Seymour’s credibility will not be a problem – He will be judged by what product he puts on the field. They players still want him here because they no he brings a lot to the table.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Michael Strahan needs to become the DE coach for the Raiders.
6′5” tall and 265lbs. Held his own against the run and one of the best pass rushers of his era.
Why can’t we find a diamond in the rough like him.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
#8 I would be calling the jets bills and fins to see if they want to stick it back to NE.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
i think al will make sure that he eventually shows up and works for the money. would be nice without all this drama crap
September 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Who says we put him on the list?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
POST#5 remember its the state of our organization right now. BLIND!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Crap this has Raider fan worked up into a frenzy and we’re all gonna be like this till kick off. I hate losing focus as a fan. It decreases my mojo-voodoo-powers.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I don’t see anything on the transaction site or rumorville PFT saying we put Seymour on the reserve list.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Mike Lombardi on NFL Network says he’s “on the list.” Hope he doesn’t need the 3.7 mil he just flushed.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
& WHY THE HECK IS THE SITE POSTING OUT OF ORDER!!!???@@!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Belichick is laughing his azz off at us right now:
http://multimedia.boston.com/thumbnails/cached_media/0000/0000381/0000381714/images/thumb.jpg
September 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
JT52 Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Michael Strahan needs to become the DE coach for the Raiders.
6′5” tall and 265lbs. Held his own against the run and one of the best pass rushers of his era.
Why can’t we find a diamond in the rough like him.
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September 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Have fun watching the games from your living room with no checks Mr Seymour.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Damn Hoodie! He’s a Sith Lord if there ever was one. I’m sure of it.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/ try this one Terrapin
September 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I’ll go ahead and try to forget this trade ever happened. i had a feeling something like this was going to happen. cable is saying all the wrong things with seymour wants to be a raider. YEAH SURE.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Mike Lombardi? That uninformed tool? Please.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
We need one more update Jerry
September 11th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
OK. From the lango on that link …sounds like they can take him off at-will and only did it to get Joseph back in to be prepared for Monday.
Still, there’s been so much misinformation going on that I’ll take that with a grain of salt.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Never mind the Lombardi ‘news’ Now NFL Net. says someone else ‘broke’ the story and even though he’s on the ‘left team’ list he has five days to come back. Somebody’s confused – me.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
It still could be a negotiating technique between his agent and Al Davis.
All of the Cheatriots fans that were blogging about him in PFT said how he was all about the money.
I am trying real hard to find a positive in this but its not working!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
oh snap,..seymour isnt here yet?…damn, how can that be?…dont all players want to be Raiduhs?… lol oh snap.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
DAMN i’m a take a brake,turn off this computer and the t.v., go outside and pfffffff and chill…. dont want to hear about this anymore. KILL THE CHARGERS!!!!!!!!1
September 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
This is why its always better to draft your own talent and develop them in your system.
I still applaud Davis for trying though.
Still wish that they drafted Ron Brace seeing how he probably made Seymour expendable…..
If I am Trevor Scott, Jay Richardson and Matt Shaughnessy…I am using this as my wake up call and a hit to my pride. The team needs them to step up their games and play the freekn run.
Otherwise, Monday will be more of the same
September 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
kb81 Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Mike Lombardi on NFL Network says he’s “on the list.” Hope he doesn’t need the 3.7 mil he just flushed.
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Lombardi doesn’t know jack squat about what is happening with the Raiders.
We probably just got permission from the NFL to put Seymour on the list because we signed Joseph, and if we come to an agreement with Seymour in the next few days, I am sure he will be allowed on the 53 man roster.
Now, if the 5 days pass, and the Raiders then place him on the IR list, then this becomes the Richard Seymour debacle and someone in the Raiders organization should do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
OK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT LIST …
PFT reference the “reserve/left squad” list which prevents the player from playing in 2009
National Football Post is referencing the “exempt/left squad” list which I guess does not ..but allowed them to fill the spot with Joseph.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
“someone in the Raiders organization should do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.”
Which Raider employee could you be talking about?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Y CAN’T I LOG OUT
September 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
It still could be a negotiating technique between his agent and Al Davis.
All of the Cheatriots fans that were blogging about him in PFT said how he was all about the money.
I am trying real hard to find a positive in this but its not working!
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No point in trying to put whipped cream and a cherry on top of this pile of poo.
Al tried and unfortunately Seymour is acting unprofessionally. I really hope this isn’t a contract issue though. Davis should have realized the guy would want a new contract. Just give him the money and move on.
Next year…please use a 1st day pick on the D-Line!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
If it boils down to Seymour doesn’t want to play for us, Al can effectively ruin his career if he’s gangsta/crazy enough.
It will cost a fortune to pay a player franchise tag money not to play, but it’s not as if Davis never payed anyone big bucks to not play before.
If Seymour sits 09, he’ll be back in 2010 at 31 with the same contract. Al pays 3.7 mil. He sits.
2011, Al tags him, pays him 20 mil, Seymour sits. He’s 32.
2012, Al tags him again, pays him 24 mil, Seymour sits. He’s 33. Career over.
How could it possibly be that he doesn’t want to play for us? Despite what the haters say, we’re not that bad. Actually, with him on the roster, we’re a .500 team, IMO.
The guy would miss out on 3.7 mil AT LEAST. Al would probably strike a deal that would give him 30.
And he has yet to say a word.
I don’t want this joker on my team and I sincerely hope I eat my words and he proves me wrong, ’cause this is a mess.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
if cable isn’t full of crap and seymour wants to be a raider, they should be workin on a long term deal. his agent prob told him not to report and try to sucker al davis for more cash
September 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Dakota – See my post 40
September 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Okay I’m losing it. I tried to ignore the big white elephant in the room, but that’s not the problem, it’s the whole damn circus. The best thing that could happen at this point is Cable getting suspended and Al bringing Gruden in as the “Interim” head coach.
That’s about the only thing that would make me feel better at this point.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Nice point Terrapin typical Lombardi trying to throw salt at us and hyped it another way.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Per David White:
“Seymour has to report by Tuesday or he can placed on the reserve/left squad list, which means he could play this season. The Raiders do not have to put him on the list in five days, but they have the option to do so at any point after that.”
September 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Thanks Terp, just as I thought….not quite time to go into full on panic mode, but we are getting closer…
We can pretty much kiss that pick goodbye no matter what happens.
Unreal.
Al, make the guy the highest paid DT, you once did that for T. Kelly for gosh sakes.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Terrpain
How many double-digit losing seasons is it going to take for you to remove your head from your rectum?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Nfl.com says he’s on the list.
This whole situation has pretty much gotten me to the point of swearing off of the NFL again, like I did when Evil Al moved the Raiders. Just disgusting. “It’s a business”?
I don’t root for businesses. I root for sports teams. And I don’t root for businessmen. I root for athletes.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
7 pm The Raiders typically wear black for home games, but they’ll wear white throwback jerseys Monday night as part of a season-long celebration of their 50th season. “Everybody likes them,” CB Nnamdi Asomugha said. “It’s good to have a different look, and I guess this will be the second time in maybe 40 years that we’ve worn white at home.”
September 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Jerry…
OLD NEWS..
If/when Willie Brown picks Seymour up at the airport, then “update” us.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Kell. I’m not gay.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
seymour doesn’t want al to bust out the projector and “kiffin” him now.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
If it boils down to Seymour doesn’t want to play for us, Al can effectively ruin his career if he’s gangsta/crazy enough.
It will cost a fortune to pay a player franchise tag money not to play, but it’s not as if Davis never payed anyone big bucks to not play before.
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THis kind of crap doesn’t help win games though!
I hope Davis did his homework before this trade was decided.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
We should just play dirty like we used to… Give all the D-line hard casts and tell Mitchell to head hunt guys out there. If we injur all the star players it would be worth some suspensions and fines.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
just win baby… What happened to that anyway?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
chop block all day! kick the QB when he’s down after a brutal offside sack! Just kill ‘em! fyck it!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
amen to that AZ, have mitchell start knockin blocks off and at least strike some fear in the opposition
September 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I’ll bet the holdup is that Seymour wants to be paid like a DE, not a DT.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
The reason the Raiders did not send the letter to Seymour sooner was probably that they were trying to work with Seymour to sign him to a longer deal. Seymour’s agent, Parker, however probably asked for too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if Parker asks for the biggest deal ever for a DE. They exchanged numbers until the talk broke down. The Raiders retaliated by sending Seymour this letter as a negotiating leverage tool. I wouldn’t be surprised that both sides are still trading numbers but I don’t see any leveraging options for Seymour. He eventually would have to report or retire. Al has been known to spend big, I don’t know why both sides can’t come up with an agreement.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
dt_raiders Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
The reason the Raiders did not send the letter to Seymour sooner was probably that they were trying to work with Seymour to sign him to a longer deal. Seymour’s agent, Parker, however probably asked for too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if Parker asks for the biggest deal ever for a DE. They exchanged numbers until the talk broke down. The Raiders retaliated by sending Seymour this letter as a negotiating leverage tool. I wouldn’t be surprised that both sides are still trading numbers but I don’t see any leveraging options for Seymour. He eventually would have to report or retire. Al has been known to spend big, I don’t know why both sides can’t come up with an agreement.
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How many pro careers can 1 agent ruin in one season?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Terrapin Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
This is no Seymour won’t report because he doesn’t want to play for the Raiders issue imho.
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How plain does it have to be for you?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
hopefully he doesn’t report and play half-assed football and become a cancer like moss.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Not quite sure where the news is here.
Player X has NO LEVERAGE!
I mean how dumb can Eugene Parker be? It makes no sense financially for these guys to hold out. What do they hope to gain? It’s pretty clear that either you play or you don’t get paid. What is the agent telling Seymour and Crabtree?
I don’t WANT to play for the Raiders or 49rs?
LMFAO!
Ok, then sit at home at play Xbox! See how much $ you make doing that.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Anyone know anyone who can get close to the visitor locker room? ….with a steel club? GO FOR THE KNEES!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
AZ Raider Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
chop block all day! kick the QB when he’s down after a brutal offside sack! Just kill ‘em! fyck it!
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There’s a flag on the play……..
“Personal foul, defense….unsportsmanlike conduct….15 yards…automatic 1st down!”
How does this help win games?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
exactly Jhill, seymour has no leverage or power in this case. his agent has ruined crabtrees career already..wtf is seymour doin with this parker guy?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Kell – How can you conveniently ignore what else I said? I said, from my past experience following this team things have only gotten this silent (club, player, agent) when a deal is being worked on. Kapeech!
Thats based on what I’ve witnessed in the past. Go spread your depression elsewhere.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
This agent needs the People’s Elbow!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
AZ Raider Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
chop block all day! kick the QB when he’s down after a brutal offside sack! Just kill ‘em! fyck it!
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Better would be for our players to play to their contracts.
Better would be for our top draft picks to play to their contracts
BEtter would be for the defense to stop getting pushed around and manhandled and start playing with some intensity and strength.
Al Davis overinvested in speedy guys that get overpowered too much.
These players have to step it up big time. Seymour or not!!!!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Anyway …
More important that the Seymour issue HAS to be Cable’s play calling. What a big sigh of relief to know that McFadden will get the bulk of the work over Fargas. But it certainly won’t matter if we see that same I formation running to the right on 1st down, up the middle on 2nd down, and a 3rd down pass to Miller.
Mix in the reliable drive killing penalty by Carlisle, Green, or both, and Seymour becomes an after thought in my mind.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Despite my lactose intolerance I’m going to go eat a bowl of Ice cream. The hell with this all!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
http://www.josportsco.com/view_product.asp?ProductID=1771
Any takers on a used Sands jersey? lol
September 11th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Gee, I can’t wait till monday night…how depressing.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I’ll pay $500 to burn it!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“THis kind of crap doesn’t help win games though!
I hope Davis did his homework before this trade was decided.”
You’re absolutely right. What I suggested is utter nonsense from a jaded follower of the Silver & Black, and obviously a premature knee-jerk response.
And Al should have made sure this was a done deal before it was a done deal.
You have an excellent point regarding Ron Brace or a similar player. Breed them. Select them in the draft.
Seymour is spoiled. Look who he played for.
Somewhere the Patriots are laughing histarically as is the rest of the world. Again.
This can be salvaged, but what a distraction. I don’t want Seymour. Again, I will toss in a disclaimer: if he comes and play like a professional, I will happily eat my words, but he’s shown nothing thus far to indicate that. Quite the opposite.
How ’bout at least a statement?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I bet its pretty ripe by now
September 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
JHill,
To me what’s disappointing is that it APPEARS that Davis didn’t do his homework on this.
Hopefully a deal is being worked out as we speak.
But Davis really should have had some of these risks resolved before sending over the pick.
Also, this should serve as a wake up call to Mr. Davis. The team is not well-regarded or respected by the public at large. This is a result of the poor performance and front office chaos of late.
Hopefully this will spur him to change.
Anyway, I applaud him for trying to resolve this run defense.
Trevor Scott has to go earn him a job and career Monday Night!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I saw Eric Allen break down J Russell’s chances for success. Did anyone catch that during The Blitz?
3 receivers in the pattern, both wideouts running 10 yard hook, with the TE doing the same.
They went on and on about how easy the Raiders are to defend based on the way they run their offense.
Without question, the play calling HAS to be MUCH better!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
AZ Raider Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
chop block all day! kick the QB when he’s down after a brutal offside sack! Just kill ‘em! fyck it!
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There’s a flag on the play……..
“Personal foul, defense….unsportsmanlike conduct….15 yards…automatic 1st down!”
How does this help win games?
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Think about it…. Who throws the ball if Rivers goes down? Who catches it when Gates goes down? Who catches it if Chambers goes down? Who runs the rock if Sproles and LT are out?
I’m talking REAL DIRTY! So it starts out 14-0 and we’ve crippled the offense by half-time. I’m not concerned about being able to scor points. I think our offense CAN score LOTS of points. Problem is, we have to get the damn O on the field. Our defense is only good at keeping the opposing teams offense on the field.
80 yard drives eat up alot of clock. Our D is good at burning the clock up for our O. Cripple their offense any way you can. Even if it’s illegal.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Seymour’s agent = Eugene Parker
Crabtree’s agent = Eugene Parker
Any questions?
September 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Seymour will get paid and the Raiders will get him or something else in return for the next 3-5 years.
Seymour is an Ace in the Hole.
September 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Start Shaughnessey. Why Scott? So he can be pushed around? Need some beef! At least Shaughnessey can hold the point of attack!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
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September 11th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I disagree SnB,
There was no homework to do. The “does he want to play there” issue is a non issue. Just ask Ocho, Boldin, TO, Rogers, and all the other disgruntled players.
Al traded for a player under contract? The player’s permission is not needed.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Have a nice weekend!
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(Richard Seymour’s House)
ring, ring, ring
RS: Hello
TC: Richard Seymour? This is Tom Cable! How the hell are you doing?
RS: I am sorry, if this is a telemarketer I must warn you that I have subscribed to the do not call list and you calling me is a direct violation of…
TC: No, no, this is Tom Cable, the head coach of the Oakland Raiders! I am just calling to see how excited you are to play for the silver and black baby!
RS: Oh, Tom Cable, that’s right, new head coach of the Oakland Raiders, sorry I didn’t recognize your name. Hey, well, at least you replaced that moron who was the coach last December that scripted the first three drives for Justin Fargas and left McFadden on the bench…that guy was a complete moron, we were up 21-0 before the national anthem was over. I sure hope you can do better than that scrub head coach.
TC: Uh, ell, actually, that was me, but I swear to god I am over my Fargas fixation, we got this new kid named Rankin that is going to really….
RS: What, you still have a job there? What kind of horse apple organization is being run over there? No way I am reporting now!
Click
TC: Hello? Hello? Richard? Hello?
(10 minutes later at the Press Conference)
TC: I just talked to the player and he wants to be here!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
If it boils down to Seymour doesn’t want to play for us, Al can effectively ruin his career if he’s gangsta/crazy enough.
yes make him retire
September 11th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
jhill Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I saw Eric Allen break down J Russell’s chances for success. Did anyone catch that during The Blitz?
3 receivers in the pattern, both wideouts running 10 yard hook, with the TE doing the same.
They went on and on about how easy the Raiders are to defend based on the way they run their offense.
Without question, the play calling HAS to be MUCH better!
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I don’t think what we saw in the preseason is ANYTHING like what our offense will look like in regular season. Last 2 games of last season is what we will be doing. Run run run run, pass pass, run run run, pass pass, run, PA PA PA PA, run run run, PA PA, pass pass pass, run run run run run run run run run run run run WIN.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
ever bother to check with the player you are trading for to see if he is agreeable to sign with your team?
might be a good idea.
at this rate richard meore might retire and we are out of a 2011 1st round draft choice. brilliant!!!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Therory:
Pats have been paying players under the table or in deferred contracts.
They have violated the Cap, and needed a secretive partner to move Seymour.
Enter Al who does not talk to the press.
The fight now is that Seymour wants his money he was promised before he validates the deal.
We know all of those star veterns love to play for the Pats for just for the glory.
Just like Denver in the 90s. cheaters
September 11th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
How could they NOT anticipate this:
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Davis is probably sitting by his phone waiting for a call from Seymour, raving about how he can’t wait to don the Silver & Black with Pride & Poise and a Commitment to yadda-yadda.
Had Davis been aware that the Raiders have ceased to be Candyland, surely he would have phoned Seymour before the trade and tried to sweet-talk the big guy into accepting the deal.
Someone – anyone – in the Raiders’ front office should have warned Davis that this trade would not go down well with Seymour. The guess here is that Davis didn’t tell anyone. He probably worked this deal in secret one-on-one talks with Bill Belichick. That would explain why there were no media leaks. Those two don’t leak.
Now it’s a mess. If the trade is rescinded, Seymour is back with a coach who sold him way down the river, and the Raiders’ sagging rep takes a huge hit. If Seymour surrenders to Oakland authorities, imagine the joy on his face as he drives up to the Raiders’ haunted house.
The Raiders, once the Tahiti of NFL dream destinations, are now Alcatraz with goal posts. Will someone please explain this to Davis? If necessary, use an overhead projector.
E-mail Scott Ostler at sostler@sfchronicle.com.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
oh snap!!! where the hecks seymour? lol
September 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
merriman off the hook ….. no charges for charger
September 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
If we make it to the playoffs this year w/ Seymour then who cares but Al hasn’t continued to lose it has he? Shoulda had the details worked out b4 trade making sure Seymour was on board and not a 1 year rental. This is a huge distraction to a team who seemed very happy about the acquisition only to get slapped in the face w/ reality. If we get blown out Monday our seasons probably done. And why the hell is Scott starting? Morris, Carlisle and Green on Oline starting? Two rooks at WR starting? It could be bad. Tell me how we win this game?
September 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
jhill Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I disagree SnB,
There was no homework to do. The “does he want to play there” issue is a non issue. Just ask Ocho, Boldin, TO, Rogers, and all the other disgruntled players.
Al traded for a player under contract? The player’s permission is not needed.
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True. But a player in the last year of said deal does have leverage. Unless you intend to franchise him at $15 to $17 mil per annum?
I love the boldness of this move and a final acknowledgement that the d-Line is weak.
But something is wrong here. We traded a first round pick to get him in here to play Monday and for the next few years.
Not to play some of the season and probably with a bad attitude.
I just want to see some winnning man. I am sooooo tired of this 6 year skid!!!!!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
What this team, this organization and we the fans need more than anything else is what I said we will accomplish on Monday night:
We will win and we will do so in spectacular fashion.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Biz Markie raiders fan don’t want you here go away
September 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
im tired of this whole seymour situation its either you play or you dont if you play and show you still have enough left in the tank well knock em dead if you dont then you wont get paid big money simple as that and i am also tired of hearing the PATS being the best and BB is a genius…hmmm lets go back now the pats cheats almost every year until they finally got caught recording the jets practice..they still are cheaters till this day and the whole tuck rule is a bunch of BS the raiders were cheated out that game and everyone knows it people from the NFL network likes to kiss BB ass so much they would forget about it and the pats have stopped cheating in the superbowl and what happend?? the giants came up with the win and shot their perfect season…if they were so great they would have went 19-0 but did they nooo can they do it again…hmmm i think not and all this dirt on the raiders because of the trade is bs 2 because if the trade would have been somewhere else then its a good trade but since its with oakland its bad. If the raiders beat the chargers monday and then the chiefs,broncos and houston then there will be alot of people on the wagon for the raiders. For the record since the raiders are a terrible team how come they wasnt the first to go 0-16(Lions) atleast the raiders got wins and 3 superbowls and the best team right now is the STEELERS with 6superbowls
September 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
The NFL is not stepping in because neither party wants to mess up the deal by having someone ask WHY the Raiders needed a roster exemption for a trade that has not been consumated yet.
Interesting to see how much funny money billacheat is left owing
September 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
This Seymour trade…..be honest,it never going to happen is it ?
September 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Biz markie go back to seasome streret
September 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
lol, oh snap,..who the heck reads the chronicle??…lol…oh snap!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Winning is what matter here fellas! Not cheap shots, vendettas, retribution, tough talk and all that….its wins.
I really hope the Raiders are competitive Monday night. That’s more important at this point than a win or loss. Beating the Broncos, Chiefs and Texans is what really matters.
Trevor Scott needs to man up and justify his selection to the team and as a starter.
Gerard Warren has to start playing to his $5M+ contract (he makes more than Seymour by the way)
Tommy Kelly needs to emerge as a top 3 DT. That’s what he is being paid to do, especially as veteran.
Greg Ellis has to play to the talent he displayed in Dallas.
Ricky Brown can’t be a liability and Morrison has to play to the level he THINKS he’s at if he wants that contract.
Howard has to be more than another safety!
That’s the bottom line because SNB said so!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I felt good about our chances before the Seymour trade even saw the light of day and I feel good now.
It’s time we start focusing on the game and how the player we have are going to win this one.
We used to own Monday night. Monday night this team needs to play like the Kings of Monday night that we once were.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
100. Amen to that “You…don’t got what I need…”
September 11th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I think 99% of us would really be surprised if the player retired. At the end of the day, everyone acknowledges that the player has no options but to retire or play for the Raiders. Like I said, the next player to walk away from millions will be the first.
Franchise the guy if that is what it takes. 3 years of Richard Seymour is priceless to the Raiders. I mean, talk about EXACTLY what we need? Pay the guy!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
There is no way Seymour shouldn’t at a minimum be the highest paid guy on OUR Dline.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
jhill Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I think 99% of us would really be surprised if the player retired. At the end of the day, everyone acknowledges that the player has no options but to retire or play for the Raiders. Like I said, the next player to walk away from millions will be the first.
Franchise the guy if that is what it takes. 3 years of Richard Seymour is priceless to the Raiders. I mean, talk about EXACTLY what we need? Pay the guy!
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True, and if Seymour is the truth then franchise him. You might be right. I just hope that IF or WHEN he gets here…he’s not a malcontent and a poison in the lockerroom.
But given the Raiders inability to develop D-Line talent….franchising Seymour a couple of years may be the next best alternative.
They really need that extra piece to that line.
We will see.
can we win some games around here?
September 11th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Just playing Devils’ advocate for a minute.
What if we drafted Raji and then used the 1st round pick to trade for Boldin ? Would he be here on Monday night ?
September 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
what if seymour come and do like D.hall and not try. make him retire so the next player know no options but to play for us.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
107. Agreed.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Another point is that Al may not have been legally able to speak with Seymour prior to the trade, so how is he to know Seymour would act like a baby?
On the other hand, if it boils down to Al doesn’t want to pay the man, well, that’s on him. Now is not the time to get tight with the checkbook, Al. Pay the good players a lot and the not-as-good players less and the poor ones not at all.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I don’t think I’ve heard of Seymour being a bad team mate. I don’t think he sells the other 51 guys out by half assing it a la Moss or Brandon Marshall. Plenty of Pats fas “visiting” lately, so maybe they can chime in.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
114. No.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
No….don’t trade for Boldin or no he wouldn’t be there on Monday….or both.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
neilb Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Just playing Devils’ advocate for a minute.
What if we drafted Raji and then used the 1st round pick to trade for Boldin ? Would he be here on Monday night
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Unfortunately that’s water under the bridge. Would be nice to see Raji in Silver-n-Black #90 jersey.
We recognized the need for run defense way too late. The Raiders (and many fans) thought that John Marshall alone could duct tape this thing. It appears that was a gross miscalculation that has brought us to this sad place right now.
Trevor Scott, Gerard Warren, Tommy Kelly, Kirk Morrison and Ricky Brown gotta man up and get some pride and play competitive football.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
111.Nnamdi21 Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Said it B4, the Tila Tequila thing seems staged to drum up interest in the SECOND game on Monday night between a “Super bowl” bound 8-8 team and the Raiders who’ve been a 6 yr skid.
Unless Merriman is carted off in cuffs, I don’t care.
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Charges dropped…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApdArv8CkFyP3agiFjBj4XELubYF?slug=ap-merrimanarrested&prov=ap&type=lgns
Told ya…
September 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Well, according to the Seymour logic, Bolding wouldn’t “agree” to come here so we can’t really know about Monday night.
And Raji is NOT one of the top 5 DEs in the league. Our issue is RDE.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I’m out, Nation.
Be good.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
123. It is a concern, but Seymour would play DT in our 4-3 I think…
We do run a 3-4 package where he might DE, but 4-3 is the base…
September 11th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Yeah,I know.Hindsight is 100% perfect.Like I say….just a thought.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
It wasn’t too late SnB. We were trying to get Wilfork ever since the draft, but the Pats were holding out. I mean look at all the business going on between the two this offseason.
By the time we caved and said, OK, a #1 it is, but we want Seymour instead of Wilfork if it’s going to be a number 1. It probably went more like that.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
He’s already been declared the starting RDE Nnamdi.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
128.Pearls before the swine
September 11th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Jhill,we probably were trying to get Wilfork but the Patsies knowing they couldn’t resign Seymour,offered him instead at the last minute.at least that is what has been reported,supposedly.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
“I don’t know what’s going on in the situation right now,” defensive end Greg Ellis said. “We obviously would love to have him here, but I respect Richard. He’s married with a wife and kids. People so many times want to say, ‘Well, those athletes want money, money, money.’ But you have to understand we are people. We do have wives, and we do have kids, and he’s a guy who has both a wife and kids. They’re in schoolout on the East Coast, so to jump up in a matter of a week and get out here and be ready to play a whole season. Do you bring your wife and kids or you leave your wife and kids? So it’s a tough situation.”
intersting take, but Seymour get ur rich self to Oakland and let your employer and fans know your happy to be with a team that wants you and is willing to part w/ a #1 for you
September 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Seymour will be here…book it! The list Lombardi is referring to is the non reporting list, in which the NFL allowed the Raiders to resign Joeseph so we have a full 53 on the field for SD. That’s why no other player was released when he signed. Once Seymour does report and pass the physical, the issue will be if Joeseph stays, or they release someone else (Watkins?).
September 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
I don’t know Lefty …
Would’ve loved to be a fly on that wall.
But think about it, why draft Brace? Brace and Wilfork are the same guy. I think they were playing poker holding out for a #1 pick. The holdup was Al not wanting to give up a #1 for Wilfork. Thought he could add DHB AND a VETERAN DT instead of Raji and a vet WR.
Al finally caved on the #1 but wanted a better player than Wilfork.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
seymour need to come out say what he want to do. if he want to be a raider or not. if not make him retire
September 11th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
# chicagoraider Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
seymour need to come out say what he want to do. if he want to be a raider or not. if not make him retire
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actually , I think Seymour has shown some class by keeping quiet during this whole transition. Once he gets on board, I think he will emerge as a leader for this team.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Inoneword……do you think he would using his kids as an excuse if the trade was the other way round,him going to the Pats and the Raiders getting a draft pick.
Will be checking back over the weekend,till then…enjoy your Friday evening.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
itzSteve Says:
actually , I think Seymour has shown some class by keeping quiet during this whole transition. Once he gets on board, I think he will emerge as a leader for this team
so what taken so long, how long do it take to know if you want to play for the raiders or not.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
KTVU just reported the Raiders sent the letter.
RaiderDogg Says:
September 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
KTVU is wrong
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Another stooge proved wrong.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
# chicagoraider Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
itzSteve Says:
actually , I think Seymour has shown some class by keeping quiet during this whole transition. Once he gets on board, I think he will emerge as a leader for this team
so what taken so long, how long do it take to know if you want to play for the raiders or not.
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On Chronical Live last night, they had the radio voice of the Pats on, and he stated that Seymour and his agent were in talks about a contract extension. Obviously those talks broke down and they traded him to the Raiders. The contract extension talks now have to start from scratch with Al, and who knows what it will take for Seymour to sign that extension.
BTW…I loved Greg Papa’s comment of “If Seymour shows up at 6:58p he should start!”…classic!
September 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
we don’t need player who don’t want to be here. we need 53 player who want to be a raider not 52 one bad seed can kill the whole team.see what Hall and moss did
September 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Thank God Fargas has a bad hamstring. Let’s hope he gets put on IR.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Listen,
Don’t believe the Raider bashers of the world.
The Seymour situation has nothing to do with him not wanting to play in Oakland.
This is all about leverage. Seymour’s agent grabbed some leverage in the negotiation for a contract extension by having Seymour fail to report.
Al must have decided that their demands were too much so gained some leverage back by issuing this letter. After 5 days Seymour risks being put on the “did not report list” for the entire season and missing out on his $3.5 mil (or whatever it is) for this year and then being forced to play for that same contract next year. So if Seymour held out to the point where the Raiders sat him for the season, he’d then go into the 2010 season under the same scenario, be a year older which doesn’t help his value and would have missed out on the $3.5 mil he could’ve pocketed in 2009. And the Raiders could still franchise him after the 2010 season.
I believe Seymour is cool with playing for the Raiders. I don’t think Cable is making that up.
It’s just two sides locked in a negotiation. Al’s trying to do what’s best for his side and his team and Seymour and his agent are trying to do what’s best for Seymour and his family.
Assuming they get a deal done that both sides like, they’ll all be on the same side.
The only possible way that Seymour never shows is if he’s so comfortable where he is and decides he has all the money he needs that he decides to retire rather than uproot his family and move 3,000 miles across the country.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
KK
Yeah, not even sure the letter was sent.
Davis is extremely good at getting players under contract with a very few exceptions.
Upset we likely won’t get him for the SD game, but even if we don’t land him EVER, we still need to play better D…
September 11th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
what seymour want the raiders to make him the highest paid player on the team. because he see how AL paid D.hall
September 11th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
A player who is looking forward to extension money is not going to just all of a sudden NOT be looking for that $. I mean, cmon. We are not talking about trust fund babies here.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
This is my last post until Saturday night. I’m getting in USC mode!
Seymour! Dude, come to the dark side…we have cookies!
September 11th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
KTVU just reported the Raiders sent the letter.
RaiderDogg Says:
September 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
KTVU is wrong
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We find out today Seymour has received the letter, and another Davis stooge is proved WRONG, AGAIN.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Merriman not be prosecuted! CAN U BEIEVE THIS CRAP! HOW MANY CHANCES DOES HE GET?
September 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Trevor Scott needs to man up and justify his selection to the team and as a starter.
Gerard Warren has to start playing to his $5M+ contract (he makes more than Seymour by the way)
Tommy Kelly needs to emerge as a top 3 DT. That’s what he is being paid to do, especially as veteran.
Greg Ellis has to play to the talent he displayed in Dallas.
Ricky Brown can’t be a liability and Morrison has to play to the level he THINKS he’s at if he wants that contract.
Howard has to be more than another safety!
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My thoughts exactly. We have guys making more money than Richey Rich already. Let ‘em play like it and let his spoiled butt ‘hold out’ for the rest of his sorry career. Check out the Boston papers – they’re all glad to be rid of him – nothing but a whiney little punk who can play a little when he wants to – which he seldom does. Moss, only fatter.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Chris In NY Says:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
…
It’s just two sides locked in a negotiation. Al’s trying to do what’s best for his side and his team and Seymour and his agent are trying to do what’s best for Seymour and his family.
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And it is best for both sides if they don’t talk about it to the press while they are negotiating.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
This is a messed up situation but I wouldn’t doubt if the Raiders and Seymour already had this thing figured out and he shows up on gameday to surprise everyone. The Raiders love nothing more than to create surprises. Of course, this is a very optimistic way of looking at things instead of looking at it in dysfunction.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
El Dirty – I think it comes down to whether Tila Tequila presses charges or not and if she doesn’t, hes basically off the hook.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
SnB, 24
Why do Raider players not play up to their contracts?
Why do they seem to not give effort?
I believe because they are not emotionally invested in the project. All direction comes from the Excutive Suite, instead of the locker room.
Any thoughts?
September 11th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
24…& Dirty….
The D.A. dropped the charges. “Insufficient evidence.”
Case closed…. per, pft.com.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I’m happy this guy is disappearing, he was scum!
Report: Salisbury fired for cell phone shenanigans
Posted by Mike Florio on September 11, 2009 5:22 PM ET
Former NFL quarterback Sean Salisbury was a journeyman at best during his NFL career. After retiring from football, he became a mini-star at ESPN, despite an annoying tendency to speak in absolutes and hyperbole. (Case in point, he said before Super Bowl XLI that, if Devin Hester of the Bears returns a kick for a touchdown, Chicago will win. Hester did. Chicago didn’t.)
He left ESPN in early 2008, claiming that he wanted to move on to bigger and better things. Some thought that the powers-that-be in Bristol might not have been all that upset about the development.
Since then, Salisbury has generally faded into oblivion.
He’ll be even more oblivious, according to the folks at Deadspin, because he has been fired from Dallas radio station 105.3 the Fan. Per Deadspin, Salisbury “freaked out a station promo girl after sexting her.”
Salisbury reportedly got himself into hot water while in Bristol for showing to co-workers a certain type of self-portrait.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
A late Seymour would be 10x better than a prepared Trevor Scott.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
KoolKell – Well you and I both know why Al has to overpay and its because its hard to get players here knowing all the crap that goes on. People come here for the money and not the passion of the game so we don’t get the best out of those players. The Raiders have become the red headed step child of the league and its embarrassing. People just want to focus on winning instead of the drama. Gibril Wilson wanted to leave for that very reason. That guy came from NY of all places and not even he could hang with the Raider drama. Its overwhelming.
Theres too much focus on negative attention instead of winning games. Its become a popularity contest.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I didn’t know MNF could be blacked out that would suck
September 11th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
New Post.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
24,909
The state could still prosecute. evidence should be all over her neck. if a man that size even restrains a woman that small, would leave marks everywhere. Cops by protocol, took pictures of the victim. This is attorney’s throwing things to the side for the Dolts. It’s unfair. If I was to do that, I would be gone forever…
September 11th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Seymour will be here.
5 year contract at 128Million
50 Million guranteed…
remember, salary cap will soon be gone…
Al and Bo knows…
September 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
In the wake of the Richard Seymour debacle, Al Davis hires a new cap-ologist and player personnel advisor to provide expertise in turning the Raiders around:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
September 11th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Greetings from Boston!! I’m a Raiders fan in Patriots country.
Observations:
Seymour is not the player he was 4 or 5 years ago. His knees are shot after Belichick used him as a FB on red zone offenses.
He was a team captain but his fellow players voted him out. He won’t play hurt and has a reputation for dogging it.
He is still good but not a star any longer.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Rodney Harrison, a friend of his, stated that RS was “horrified” at the thought of playing in Oakland. He particularly called out the fans as being “idiots” and the organization as being “hopeless” as long as Al Davis is not officially declared dead.
September 11th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
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