Post-game wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, September 15th, 2009 at 12:57 am in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes from the Raiders’ 24-20 loss to the San Diego Chargers at the Coliseum:
– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha was having difficulty reconciling the way they played defense for three quarters before the Chargers controlled the fourth quarter.
“It was like two completely different games with what we did in the beginning and those last drives when they started throwing and doing that stuff,” Asomugha said. “We were good with the run and good with the pass and then in the fourth quarter we had a couple of breakdowns. That’s what hurt us.”
– This loss hurt a lot worse than the infamous MNF season openers in 2006 and 2008, and my Web exclusive column agrees with Tom Cable’s assessment that the pain is a good thing.
– Cable thought the defense played it too loose over the last two drives.
“We were playing off, maybe a little bit too soft,” Cable said. “Rivers did a nice job in using his backs. And I think that was really the difference in the last two drives.”
Asomugha doesn’t think the Raiders would approach it any differently next time, just do it better.
“For the majority of the game we were just playing tight out there. During a situation like that you don’t want to play tight on them because that’s when they’re going to do those crossing routes on you and pick you,” Asomugha said. “So we tried to go into more of a zone effect and see if that would work.
“I think that’s what any team would do in that situation. For it not to work out, you obviously can’t beat yourself over the head. If we did it again, we’d probably be doing calls similar to what we did in that last two minutes.”
– “We left a lot of plays out there and we let some things get away from us, but the best thing to do about that is get ready for Kansas City because we’ve got a short week,” Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
– “We’re going to be a much better football team than people think. I am not afraid to say that. I was not afraid to say that when I took this job. We still have some work to do. We’re not there yet. Thats a heck of a football team and and we had a chance to get them,” Cable regarding the future of the team.
The Raiders weren’t the only team insisting they are on the verge of turning the corner.
“Yeah, they aren’t the same team,” tight end Antonio Gates said. “They have guys that want to win and play hard. I’ll tell you what _ it was a battle . . . they played their hearts out.”
– Both rookie wide receiver Louis Murphy and Cable were surprised to see a 15-yard touchdown play overturned at the end of the first half.
“I had no idea I lost the ball, honestly. I came down, and when I was pushing myself up, that’s the only time I really felt the ball come out, when I was getting up to celebrate,” Murphy said. “It is what it is. All my teammates said they thought it was a touchdown. Both feet and my rear end land in the end zone.”
Said Cable: “He came down with both feet then his rear end hit the ground, and then the ball came out when he hit the ground. I thought if you came down with the ball in possession it was a touchdown, but he said he had to take it all the way to the ground with the ball secure. I don’t believe that is the rule, but we’ll see.”
– The Raiders were 6-for-8 converting third downs in the first half and only 1-for-6 in the second half.
– Strong safety Tyvon Branch had nine tackles, one tackle for loss and a pass defensed, while Chris Johnson had eight stops and two passes defensed. Both players were standouts until the final two drives when most everyone in the secondary was victimized.
– Russell left briefly with a shin injury in the second half, giving way to Bruce Gradkowski, but returned to throw the 57-yard TD pass to Murphy. He said he is fine.
– Wide receiver Johnnie Lee Higgins was the target of five passes and caught none, taking a ferocious lick from Eric Weddle late in the game to dislodge one catch. He did not finish the game.
– Guard Robert Gallery injured his back and left for a few series but returned to finish the game.
– Huge upgrades at both end spots in veterans Richard Seymour and Greg Ellis. Seymour had two sacks, Ellis one.
Linebacker Thomas Howard said all the Raiders did in preparation for the game with Seymour was talk to him about certain roles. They kept it simple and Seymour played most of the game, pushing the pocket on several occasions when he didn’t reach the quarterback.
– The loss was the seventh in a row for the Raiders on Monday night and their seventh consecutive defeat in a season opener.
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September 15th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Made the catch, lost it returning to his feet. Pretty clear cut.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Satele was right about one thing, Seymour is nasty.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:19 am
We got screwed
September 15th, 2009 at 1:24 am
We got screwed by the refs and the linebackers played behind the first down marker instead of in front of it on those last two Charger drives.
Those 2 factors cost us the game.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:30 am
The defense had been playing mostly man to man then goes zone, thats what lost it.
Aaaah just beat the hell out of the chiefs.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Very disappointed over JaMarcus’ 46.7 passer rating. But good block and that reverse. Maybe we can use him at RT instead of Mop Handle?
September 15th, 2009 at 1:37 am
DOMINATING LOSS
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_regular_season
September 15th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Same ol’ same ol’ as under Kiffin. Some good running, no passing game, good defense that gets worn down after repeated 3 and outs and gives up the points necessary to lose in the 4th.
The fact that we jacked up some of their players and sent them to the bench with injuries is no real comfort to me.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:40 am
It was the best of the Raiders, it was the owrst of the Raiders all in one game.
Davis showed Bigger, faster, stronger can dominate football.
Play basic, but if your better man on man, you win those battles.
Old school looked good several times tonight…
September 15th, 2009 at 1:42 am
8. Rookie RG Loius Vasquez was forced into the start when they dropped Kynan Forney who never recovered from a neck injury.
It was his first NFL and his knee didn’t look good.
They also ditched LJ Shelton.
Nick Hardwick had to be carted off and Pro Bowl LT Marcus McNeil got dinged too.
Beat the **** outa them…
September 15th, 2009 at 1:50 am
We’ve never gotten a good call in our favor since the Holy Roller.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:51 am
Jamarcus Russel connected over the middle often with both Mr. Murphy (for 2 TDS) and to Mr. Z. Miller for big gains.
The TD that counted, the 57 yard near perfect pass and in stride was on 4th & 15, remember.
Jamarcus did have trouble connecting in the flat and flag patterns though.
We can add the Murphy TD taht was called back to the “tuck rule” fumble and the Lidle fumble that cost the Raiders the game.
We are up 14-0 at that point when they called back the TD and we were dominating the line of scrimmage on both sides.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:56 am
I hope that we are catapulted by this loss… and the chargers suffer from this win with all their injured players that we smashed on. In the long run we will be fine,.. the chargers won the division after being robbed last year. we can still do it this year and beat them at their house.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:01 am
We have to be careful. We run like 15 plays on offense and the same defense every play, except on 2 minute warning drives, where we play the Swiss Cheese prevent.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Yes, Raiders use this game against the Chiefs, whatever afterthought you might have save it for your rematch aginst the Chargers later in the season.
You are professionals,you are the Autumn Thunderstorm, you are the Raiders!
September 15th, 2009 at 2:22 am
We have one of the best teams in football, but Al Davis will never let them win, as we saw tonight.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:33 am
btw, priest, you said you’d be here, win or lose. I was in here during the game getting beat like a pinata because one of my two pregame predictions was wrong. I’m a man. You’re not. See you when you come out from under your rock, priest.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:33 am
He speaks the truth actually.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:37 am
Just when I need to hear some rationalizations and cheering up Oak and Priest fail to show up.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:37 am
Oakglenn, your absence is noted, as well. I know you were at the game but you live in Oakland and it could not have taken you 4 hours to get home. YOU GUYS ARE HIDING!
September 15th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Hey, monitor, what’s your problem. I wrote a clear explanation of why Murphy’s catch was a TD and you viod it out> You working for the commissioner…you puzk.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Just woke up from about 2 hours of sleep. I guess I’m too upset over the clear TD that was taken from us. The “Mr Monitor,” here, voids my clear explanation of why it was a TD. What’s you problem…monitor?
How can you break the plane and have a touchdown, but you can’t have one when you catch the ball in the air and have full control (that’s not breaking the plane?) AND THEN, touch one foot and then the other while keeping full control of the ball, but later when you hit the ground, two seconds later, and the ball comes loose it’s not a catch. The same catch for Tom Brady or either of the Mannings is a TD.
The Commissioner has to come out and clarify the catch and if he’s honest, and doesn’t allow his hatred for Davis affect his ruling, then He’ll be man enough to APOLOGY to us. Then punish the ref…send him back to high school where he belongs. (He said he remembered one foot coming down. Everyone else in the world watching the game saw TWO feet touching the end zone while Murphy had full control.) TOTAL BULL.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Well, all you guys are asleep, so I’m out of here. I’ll try hitting the sack again. Wish me luck as I’m too pissed to relax.
September 15th, 2009 at 4:00 am
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September 15th, 2009 at 5:07 am
The prevents ok for the long pass but with the amount of time sd had they were able to use the underneath.
jeez,that last drive was a gift.For the most part the D played great.seymour has been a great pick up.A tough loss to take.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:14 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Very disappointed over JaMarcus’ 46.7 passer rating. But good block and that reverse. Maybe we can use him at RT instead of Mop Handle?
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JaMarcus did not have a very good game but that rating number is misleading. Take away the Hail Mary INT at the end of the game and the first INT — which was on Murphy running a sloppy route and not going after the ball aggressively — and add on the allegedly dropped TD pass by Murphy and that rating number probably almost doubles.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:14 am
Let’s keep it real here!
1. The referees pulled a Tuck Rule #2! When you have to explain a call using precise references and all that…it was a bad call…Murphy caught the ball period
2. The offense “scored” 24 points. I don’t care about QB or RB stats….they did enough to win the game. Russell struggled…but he also hit big plays when it mattered….not garbage time TDs with a game out of reach….two TDs! When Schilens gets back…this offense will look good!
3. Someone has to tell the defensive coaches to stop playing soft. This is the same way they lost games last year…just gave it away.
So the team played well enough to win for 3.9 QTRs period. QB, RB, OL and defense! period….anyone saying otherwise didn’t watch the game or doesn’t want to watch the game!
Cornell Green has to be replaced!
Hey, John Marshall….did you watch the tape from last year? Did you not watch the Bills game from last year? Did you not watch the S.D game from last year? Did you not watch the Miami game from last year?
STOP PLAYING THAT PREVENT GARBAGE! PLAY THE LAST 5 MINUTES LIKE YOU PLAYED THE FIRST 55 MINUTES!
GOD BLESS IT ALL!
September 15th, 2009 at 5:34 am
JRUSS looked like garbage…
Compare him to rookies coming out….Soft zero fire…
Fire who ever decides to run a prevent defense the last 5 minutes. Should have been blitzing. Our d-line was tired should have been coming at rivers…. looked a lot like the buffalo game.
Sey is the real deal….
September 15th, 2009 at 5:38 am
We Will Dominate once again last night showed me the light at the end of the tunnel…..uhhh Jamarcus thou….wow he is VERY inaccurate.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:42 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.2 THING’S MAKE ME WANT TO BREAK FURNATURE OR THROW SOMETHING THROUGH MY T.V. THE OTHER TEAM CONVERTING ON 3RD AND LONG ,10-12-15 YDS.SEEM’S LIKE EVERY TIME..A STRING OF 3 AND OUT’S BY THE OFFENSE N THE 3 QTR OF EVERY GAME…
September 15th, 2009 at 5:44 am
YES OAKLIFER, JUST HOPE ,AS THEY SAY,THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THAT TUNNELL IS NOT AN ON-COMMING TRAIN.IF THE RAIDER;S CAN FIND A WAY 2 BEAT K.C. WE SHALL SEE…
September 15th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Tomlinson talking about being the best back in the NFL again he ain’t even the best rb on the SD. Stanford Routt the next big play you make will be you’re first man you suck, the rest of the D excluding the LB played great Seymour,Ellis make our line so much better and seing Scott in situations instead of starting but damn jruss you gotta start hitting guys.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Until further notice JRUSS = Garbage, he should be making plays. All the other new QB’s come in ready.
F making excuses for this guy. He has had all season to “connect” with the WR’s. Rookies or not he is awful.
I dont see enough in JRUSS to say he is worth the money we gave him. Right now in my mind JRUSS=leaf.
Did anybody see DHB on the field???????
Calling DHB……….Calling DHB……….DHB please report to the field the oakland coliseum, they “had” a game last night and you dint show up….
Can we hire a DCO that will attack in the last qtr???
Our dline was gasses should have been rushing more people to generate pressure.
Take the prevent out of the playbook.
I did however like how physical we were with those pu$$y chargers….
Serveral guys got PARAMEDIC and that was good smashmouth football…..
September 15th, 2009 at 5:47 am
The deal is that you can still win with less-than-stellar QBs. I give you Roethlisberger as a clear example. That dude had an 80 passer rating last season. He’s not great, but he’s good enough to keep from wrecking the ship on the rocks. And even though JRuss threw a lot of wild incompletions, he got the team in position to win. The defense just couldn’t hold.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Until otherwise noted JRUSS=Garb….
He plays like a high school qb. I take barkley right now over him, all day…
September 15th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Prevent Defense prevent you from winning.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Man…the energy of the crowd last night! I hope our offense clicks like real soon because there is only so much the D can hold!
September 15th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Don’t even know if I can be mad at DHB some of those passes Kareem wouldn’t have caught lets hope Chaz coming back helps jruss calm down.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Big Ben > JRUSS…. Better decision maker by far not even close, tougher wont go down with the threat of a hit.
SD goes 1-3 to start the season they Dline, and oline manned up.
Fire the DCO or who ever calls us to play soft the last 5 minutes….
Time to man up and smash KC into the ground…
September 15th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Well we are getting there.We will improve each week,imo.We are comming and everyone can see it.HUGE IMPROVMENT ACROSS THE WHOLE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE COMMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:02 am
SD goes 1-3 to start the season. the Dline, and oline manned up, they get game balls. Good pick up of ellis and SEYMOUR…
SEYMOUR WAS GETTING SACKS EVEN WHILE BEING DOUBLED.
I bet he was like man i need to et the F@CK outta here
going prevent at the end of the came coach belechick never did this WTF???????
September 15th, 2009 at 6:02 am
4eva, what up man??????? I am still overheated from last night. Good news is, i did not break or blow anything up…….
September 15th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Mike Mitchell was out there hitting….Hahahhhaaaa
The secondary looked good, outside of the misco, in the 4th with routt and ASO…
September 15th, 2009 at 6:08 am
F DHB
F JRUSS, the black ryan leaf
F the DCO
F the prevent
F the chargers
F the refs
F not attacking rivers
September 15th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Hey Thec!!!
BIG BIG improvment,imo!!!WE was robbed but what else is new???The WEST is still ours 4da taking!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:14 am
No, man. DHB dropped a very easy quick slant on one of those 3rd quarter drives. That was actually one of Russell’s good throws. And it looked like he had room to at least pick up a first down had he caught it.
There is just absolutely nothing that has looked good about DHB since he got to Oakland. I think the verdict on him will come much more quickly than it has on Russell. I said it in April and I’ll say it again: waste of a #7 overall pick.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Does this remind you of a play where a Colt player catches the ball, his feet & legs land first outside the out of bounds and THEN his upper body falls in bounds? Happened against us at a critical point in the gae. Refs rule for the Colts against us.
SSSSOOO, it’s not a Raider TD until the player has caught the ball & is safely sitting on the bench???
September 15th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Mornin Happy Troll!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Good news is the D will keep us in games….
Ba news is we have a DCO that does not attack…..
Our dline was gassed…. They were going against guys
that were FRESH… We should have been sending the house up the middle at rivers but know we drop the lb’s and rush 4 while they are dead tired….
FIRE the DCO
September 15th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Was Southwick active?
September 15th, 2009 at 6:20 am
You won’t see this call against another team this year, sound familliar?
September 15th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Not the result we wanted, but best opening game for the Raiders in years!
A couple of notes:
Routt had a play on the ball on Jackson TD. Who jumps and doesn’t extend his arms to the ball???
JaMarcus, you’re in the NFL now, if you can get back out there after three plays, you can get back out there after one play. You are the starting QB, it’s your team, you walk to the sideline, get a drink of gatorade, then you go back on the field.
You don’t play it up for the cameras on Monday night. Serious character question.
The 09 Raiders made huge strides last night.
Seymore is a Stud.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Sorry dudes
but you guys are jinxed 
and doomed 
. You finally have a decent team 
but your QB can’t even hit 50% of his passes 
September 15th, 2009 at 6:27 am
JRUSS = The black ryan leaf…..
September 15th, 2009 at 6:28 am
65 mil for that…..
September 15th, 2009 at 6:28 am
lmao
September 15th, 2009 at 6:30 am
4eva, You playing fantasy this year? How did you do this week?
September 15th, 2009 at 6:31 am
You’re cursed for being a troll now go shave your back.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Florida Pete Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:31 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 12:41 am
The call was horribly wrong, but it’s not why we lost. We have a better team than SD, and outplayed them for the most part. It was all scheme that lost tonight. The offense actually played surprisingly well. There’s not much they could have done better. Running the ball (proving me wrong on my prediction), throwing short passes, getting SD to play closer to the line of scrimmage, which made that deep play possible at the end. On defense, we used a cover 1 most of the night. Steve Young kept talking about how he was surprised such a basic defense did so well. It did well because it compliments our speed. Our corners are fast enough to be responsible for deep coverage on the outer thirds of the field. That leaves the safety in deep coverage only responsible for the middle. They kept showing those replays of Rivers looking downfield and seeing Huff just sitting there in center field daring him to throw up the middle. Frustrated the hell out of him. It worked, and it shut San Diego’s offense down. Then, on a 3rd and long, we use a prevent defense and Sproles gets a key first down. Then, of course, on that final drive, we use a prevent, or at least far more loose coverage than what we uses most of the game, and they just torched us. And, true to form, kool aid drinkers in here are blaming the coaching staff. We’ve been using this useless prevent for about the past decade, choking one big game after another with it. Guess we’re going to blame Cable and Marshall for all of those years?
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wow…
this is the only intelligent post that i can recall ever reading that was authored by you…
it is the first time that i can recall… that you have even given me the inclination that you might be a Raider fan…
good analysis… and i agree with most of it…
September 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Thec: we’re not going to fire John Marshall. did you see the run defense last night?
big improvement.
Marshall was hired to run Al Davis’ defensive philosophy. part of why we hated Ryan was his prevent/play it safe defense in the 4th quarter to protect a lead. It PREVENTS you from winning, because the other team can march down the field with 2+ minutes and all of thier timeouts for the easy TD.
LB’s were 10 yards downfield in pass coverage. Sproles was getting nice chunks of yardage and Rivers was licking his chops.
we obviously got to Rivers without having to blitz. the secondary played great most of the game too.
Raiders defense should have played the Chargers like the first 3 quarters and we would have walked to the locker room with a W and a rowdy crowd. end of story
September 15th, 2009 at 6:33 am
We lost this game for two reasons, one of which can be fixed (but won’t be).
The problem that probably can’t be fixed is that Russell cannot pass outside the hashmarks. How do you win in the NFL with a QB who cannot throw a 12-yard out on 3rd-and 10? He’s not even close.
The problem that CAN be fixed (but won’t be) is Al Davis’ high-school defense. We showed Rivers the same front seven on every play last night — four guys rushing and three linebackers five yards off the line. We never blitzed and made no attempt to confuse Rivers or SD’s banged up offensive line. In the 3rd quarter, when San Diego’s offense was becoming unglued, consistent blitzing would have put Rivers in the 3rd row of the stadium, produced turnovers and won the game. When SD’s backup left tackle had to play right guard, Morrison or Brown should have been in his face, with Branch right behind them. ANY other team in the NFL would have done it. When an offense is hurting, attack them. It’s what teams have been doing to the Raider offense for years. Instead, we sat back, let the Chargers get their act together and gave away the game.
We can’t beat a good offense with Davis’ Varsity Letter Defense.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Is the NFL on drugs??? Better yet, are some NFL DCO’s on drugs?
A great man said it best and I quote:
“THE PREVENT, PREVENTS YOU FROM WINNING”
John Madden…
September 15th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Lost the game balls go to:
1. DHB, The invisible man
2. DCO John Marshall and his prevent
3. JRUSS, the black ryan leaf
4. Green cut his dumb A@@ now…
Game Balls
1. SEYMOUR
2. ELLIS
3. Branch
4. Murphy
5. Johnson
6. Mitchell
7. Henderson
8. Gallery
9. DMAC
10. MBUSH
11. fargas for not playing
12. Howard
September 15th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Calm down Thec. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. JRuss wasn’t the only QB this week that had a rough game (Jake D, Cutler, Rodgers, Brady was less Brady, Palmer). One game doesn’t define a team or person and less than 20 games is by no means a way to judge a fresh QB.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Thec…I’m in 2 leagues and I split
September 15th, 2009 at 6:41 am
“THE REFS, PREVENT YOU FROM WINNING”
Thec, I alsmost gave up watching football for this very reason but Gruden & Gannon pulled me back in. as of now I don’t watch anything but the Raiders but now I’m asking myself “why?”
September 15th, 2009 at 6:42 am
LEGALIZE SOUTHWICK!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Russell could have been better but he delivered when it counted most. Came off the bench after injuring and threw a TD with 2 mins remaining. At that point HE won us the game.
I’m not going to get all pissy about JR like all of you. Time and time again we said its going to be ups and downs. And that still holds true. This guy is a phenom
September 15th, 2009 at 6:45 am
LOL @ game ball to Fargas for not playing!
very true indeed.
Higgins, DHB, Murphy & McFadden all dropped some passes, but that doesn’t excuse Russell for being terribly inaccurate more often than not.
Russell (our franchise QB) has to be the reason we win ballgames, not the reason we lose them!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Seymour is the best acquisition the Raiders have made since Moss. This guy may be in for a HUGE season if he stays healthy. Already 2 sacks to start things off. And he’s a monster vs the run!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:47 am
wheres the love for new center Chris Morris?
he handled NT Jamal Williams all game long, before Ogemdi Nwagbuo got that sack on Russell in the 4th quarter
much better than what we’ve seen from Jake Grove in recent years
BSJ & Raider O: cut Mike Huff? really?
September 15th, 2009 at 6:48 am
RaiderfanNY Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:33 am
We can’t beat a good offense with Davis’ Varsity Letter Defense.
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ROFLMAO……..
September 15th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Wow they really missed Fargas fire , on that Bush TD Fargas would jump right into the pile.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:49 am
In prevent, if you are going to drop 8 in coverage and rush 3, wouldn’t it make more sense to take Scott out of the game and put Mitchell in? Make Mitchell play the RB out of the back field and stand about 3 yards in front of the first down marker.
Just a thought.
I don’t put all of it on Russell(just some). The rookie WRs screwed Russell an several plays including the first INT of the game when the Raiders were poised to score.
Chaz would have ran that route a little more crisp.
Also, late in the 3rd quarter and into the 4th, with the SD Defense getting tired and our RBs getting alot of work, Fargas would have came in handy to eat up some clock.
The Raiders get Chaz back starting and Fargas back for a few brutal caries and the Raiders win games.
I do feel better about the KC game, now. SD is much better against the run then KC and the Raiders dominated SD. They just need to finish drives(broken record).
September 15th, 2009 at 6:49 am
This guy is a phenom
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JaWalrus is a “phenom”? where?
Hometown Buffet?
September 15th, 2009 at 6:50 am
This is the most f’d up site I have ever been on! Gawd damn fix this stuff!!!
Thec07 – You’re still stewing over this game. Just take a step back bro. JR was definitely not great (other QBs were worse today) and had rookie WRs to boot. But he delivered when the game was on the line. That much you cannot take from him. The same way a Roth would deliver even when he’s had a tough game. That may have done wonders for his confidence and the team’s confidence in him.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:52 am
I had to leave at the start of the 4th quarter, but listened to the game on the radio on the way home. There should be no way in he!! that the D (that was playing good for 55 minutes) let SD get an 89 yard scoring drive (especially since Sproles got wacked at the 11 on the KO return)! But…had our offense NOT commit many 3 and outs…it would have been a different outcome! The fans were out and crazy the whole game!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:52 am
“We run like 15 plays on offense and the same defense every play, except on 2 minute warning drives, where we play the Swiss Cheese prevent.”
Exactly.
We are a talented team that is very poorly coached.
George Allen always ran a least four misdirection plays a game. We ran one, it gained huge yardage, and we never did it again.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:53 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Wow they really missed Fargas fire , on that Bush TD Fargas would jump right into the pile.
LMAO!!! But so true…
September 15th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Terp, So based on your observations JRUSS is worth 65 mil. He is a phenom allright…lol
September 15th, 2009 at 6:57 am
the way I see it JRUSS is not a “fresh” QB…..
Sanchez, Ryan, Flacco….
we got JRUSS, he is not dedicated he should be the yokest raider on the team…. So until he starts performing like a 65 million dollar man He will be the Black Ryan Leaf to me…..
September 15th, 2009 at 6:58 am
i’m having trouble reconciling the Russell inacurracy accusation…
how is it that he is able to hit Miller whenever he wants, wherever Miller is???
i’m guessing here… because i don’t have game film to review… but i think it was the WR’s not running through their routes…
it’s like they ran practice routes… stopping or slowing down like they do in practice… instead of running through their routes and continuing…
i noticed this with both h-bey and murphy… especially h-bey…
also… it was like they were more focused on running their routes as opposed to looking for the ball… russel looked frustrated our there… frustrated with his receivers… one play in particular was the pass to H-bey going well beyond him… but h-bey never looked until it was too late… and he was slowing down… that looked to me like a potential big play… instead it was a 3rd down incomplete…
could Russell have been better??? absolutely… but blaming him for all of it isn’t right…
also… 3rd and 4th qtr play calling left something to be desired… maybe it was losing gallery… but we didn’t run very much… it was like the Raiders wanted to win… but they wanted to win through the air with Russell…
September 15th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Yes we got jobbed on the TD taken away, BUT will some coach PLEASE tell Murphy – “Hey Dude, you caught the pass with two hands in the end zone, don’t take one hand off the ball while you’re falling! HUG the ball with BOTH hands all the way to the ground, land on your feet, butt, head, I don’t care but keep TWO hands on the ball when you’re in the end zone. THEN get ready for your celebration…”
JR is so hard to watch, his brain is a half second slower than every DB out there. Who cares if he has a great arm if he is so slow at processing what’s in front of him. Also – OMG, how bad can you miss wide open receivers, we’re not talking about a foot or two this way or that, he was missing by yards – wide, high or low.
DHB showed nothing, at least Murphy showed some promise.
Defense was GREAT with Seymour, YEA BABY. Though I almost threw a glass at the TV when I saw we rushed 3 on third down once (they got an easy first down) and those stupid LB’s dropping 20 yards on 3rd & 12. Just a horrible way to let down the rest of the D after a great game. Our D line looks BOSS and our DB’s can get it done, but LB, especially MLB is a huge problem along with a coordinator that plays such a soft prevent with so much time left. The clock should not factor into the defensive calls when they have 2:30 left and 3 time outs. Our D will have to STOP them, the clock won’t just run out. So play D to stop them not just concede 10 yard plays.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:58 am
I don’t think that he is worth all that, but Terp was right in saying that he delivered when needed. Kinda like Cry me a Rivers in the last 2 minutes. That long strike should have won us the game and our D has to get it done!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 6:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
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RR, With all due respect, i know we arent going to fire marshall just pi$$ED we went prevent.
Our dline was gassed in the fourth period. On top of that they were playing against some fresh guys.
We should have supplemented that with some blitzing, right up the middle at rivers as he is not very mobile due to the surgeries…. He is a very lucky man, he just missed getting paramedic a couple of times.
September 15th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Rivers was having a tough game – all game – but he delivered when it counted. Same goes for Russell.
You guys stewing over this loss is understandable. But I’m already focused on KC for a little retribution.
With the effort I saw out there and the dominance I saw …there’s no cause for panic (i.e. cut JR – stupid). I am getting pretty confident this team can be 3-1 before too long. They just need to find some consistency.
Al said it, Cable said it and others – losing Schilens really hurt us. He was the WR JR was most comfortable with and would look to when he’s in trouble.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Yes we got jobbed on the TD taken away, BUT will some coach PLEASE tell Murphy – “Hey Dude, you caught the pass with two hands in the end zone, don’t take one hand off the ball while you’re falling! HUG the ball with BOTH hands all the way to the ground, land on your feet, butt, head, I don’t care but keep TWO hands on the ball when you’re in the end zone. THEN get ready for your celebration…”
You know…that was BS, but it is the rule! Murph made a rookie mistake and I hope he realizes that now.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:02 am
interesting …
Russell: 208 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (before th hail mary INT)
Rivers: 252 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
McFadden/Bush: 29 carries for 123 yards (4.2 ypc)
Tomlinson/Sproles: 22 carries for 78 yards (3.5 ypc)
Zach Miller: 6 catches for 96 yards
Antonio Gates: 5 catches for 83 yards
Louis Murphy: 4 catches for 87 yards, TD
Vincent Jackson: 5 catches for 56 yards, TD
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why is everybody picking Sandy Eggo as a Super Bowl favorite to represent the AFC ???
September 15th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Terrapin Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:50 am
This is the most f’d up site I have ever been on! Gawd damn fix this stuff!!!
Thec07 – You’re still stewing over this game. Just take a step back bro. JR was definitely not great (other QBs were worse today) and had rookie WRs to boot. But he delivered when the game was on the line. That much you cannot take from him. The same way a Roth would deliver even when he’s had a tough game. That may have done wonders for his confidence and the team’s confidence in him.
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Terp, With all due respect your right i am still heated…. I want to blow something up right now.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Calling DHB……
Calling DHB…….
CALLING DHB…….
We have a game at the Oakland coliseum where is our “STAR” no 7 draft pick?
September 15th, 2009 at 7:10 am
I feel that the positives of this game far outweighed the negatives.
Perhaps since my expectations were 8-8 before the season I still feel we are on track.
First- Murphy’s catch. If that is the rule it must be changed. That was a touchdown. I could see if he was diving and the first thing to hit the ground was his body then the ball must be secure. Two feet on the ground and a secure catch is a touchdown.
The only thing I can think of is “the ground can not cause a fumble”. That logic is inconsistent with the rule that was qouted IN THIS CASE.
That is why this rule needs modification.
Defense. This game proves that we are vastly improved.
We do not need to blitz to pressure the QB. We did it with four all night.
We upgraded our Dline talent and it is working.
This is one of the few times you will hear me say that the schemes could have been mixed a bit better in the fourth quarter. Nam said it was poor execution but with the pressure we were getting Rivers really had to checkdown. I think our LB drops were too deep in the fourth quarter which was more scheme than execution.
Offense. Schillens will help when he gets back. That is a big issue. Murphy grew alot yesterday as did DHB.
JR needs to improve his reads and accuracy.
JR is developing but expect more bad plays from him.
I saw a lot of Eli Manning during his first three years and JR looks alot better.
That is a work in progress. We need to accept it and some losses that accrue from it.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:47 am
wheres the love for new center Chris Morris?
he handled NT Jamal Williams all game long, before Ogemdi Nwagbuo got that sack on Russell in the 4th quarter
much better than what we’ve seen from Jake Grove in recent years
BSJ & Raider O: cut Mike Huff? really?
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Cut Mike Huff and then sue him for all the money we dumped in to that useless pile.
Morris = surprisingly adequate.
Satele = rat tail disgrace
September 15th, 2009 at 7:13 am
how bad does it feel to be Leodis McKelvin this morning?
September 15th, 2009 at 7:16 am
The play of the Raiders was a big improvement. Nnamdi, you got to get all the copies of prevent defense written by Rob Ryan and burn them while sticking pins in a voodoo doll of Ryan. That will remove the curse.
http://www.scaryforkids.com/pics/voodoo-dolls-wallpaper.jpg
September 15th, 2009 at 7:17 am
This team is ready to win now. Problem is, Russell will never succeed as a NFL quaterback. There were many, many times where he saw the right reciever, threw to him, and missed him by fifteen yards. As Steve Young said last night, accuracy isn’t something that can be taught. You’re born with it. JaMarcus isn’t born with it.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:21 am
I saw a lot of Eli Manning during his first three years and JR looks alot better.
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Eli Manning in Year 2: 3762 yards, 24 TD’s
Eli Manning in Year 3: 3244 yards, 24 TD’s
JaMarcus Russell in Year 2: 2423 yards, 13 TD’s
Year 3 on pace for 3300 yards and 16 TD’s (if he plays every week like last night)
Russell doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Eli Manning, the SB Champion.
Russell locks on 1 target and has terrible accuracy…
September 15th, 2009 at 7:23 am
RaiderRockstar …Thats not Russell year 2 …thats Russell year 1 …he only had 1 FULL SEASON under his belt.
Sometimes you guys just can’t see beyond your biases.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:24 am
FL Pete, BSJ is a known Huff hater
doesn’t matter if he’s the only guy who picked off Rivers last night, eh pelosi breathe?
September 15th, 2009 at 7:26 am
A few things…
Seymour is a “beast” and he made everyone on our defense better. Period no one can deny that!
Russell has a ways to go but is showing some improvement. The posters are correct he does not compare to the QB’s coming out of the draft these days Flaco, Ryan, Sanchez. He can get there but it will take him longer.
Lastly:
Even the best defenses broke down late in the 4th quarter this weekend not just ours. Tenn and The Bills D faded late in the 4th quarter and lost the game because of it. Those are good defenses.
Could it be that it is very difficult to stop any decent team late in the 4th when the D is tired? Yes but also it is what has made Baltimore and Pitt two of the best defenses over the last few years.
I see the Raider as a top 20 defense now but to make it in the top 2 or 3 you will have to stop teams in the 4th quarter in my opinion that comes with more conditioning.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Florida Pete Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 7:27 am
why the hate for Huff???
i thought he had a pretty good game last night…
if we can get game out of him every week like last night… i would be very happy…
maybe i missed something… help me out here…
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Nah i was just typing through gritted teeth, although Branch and CJ looked better than Huff in Huff’s best game as a Raider. I’d like to see Huff MAKE a play by breaking on the ball, not just waiting to catch a tip.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:27 am
why the hate for Huff???
i thought he had a pretty good game last night…
if we can get game out of him every week like last night… i would be very happy…
maybe i missed something… help me out here…
September 15th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Let’s not overlook the Chiefs bros!
Just remember how many times our D has been burnt by scrambling QB’s. Kinda like the way we got dogged last night by backs and TE’s under the coverage.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:27 am
that wasnt exactly the prevent we rushed 4 but had everybody else 10 yards back whatever those call were it was horrible that lost us the game Russell came through on 4th down when we needed him but he was a little off the rest of the game but the play calling on the defense lost that game whether it was marshall or al who called it
September 15th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Forget stats folks. Eli never missed recievers like that. He needed to learn the position, he did. JaMarcus can learn everything there is to know about the QB position, but if he can’t hit his target what difference does it make?
September 15th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Terrapin: did you fall asleep when it was 3rd & long and DHB was wide open for what would have been a 30+yard gain and Russell overthrew him by like 5 yards high and wide out of bounds with no pressure in the pocket?
see that dumpoff pass to McFadden way over his head? DMC tried to pull it in and the ball almost got picked.
2 other passes could have been easy INT’s for SD that they dropped
September 15th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Huff got a pick and a fumble recovery. He’s doing better! Get off Huff. With Huff, Branch and Eugene, and the way the played last night makes you wonder why we picked Mitchell, instead of a RT like Britton who is now on the Jags.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:30 am
OK…somehow JR always seems to hit Chaz and Miller in the numbers ..can you all explain that?
September 15th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Terrapin Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 7:30 am
OK…somehow JR always seems to hit Chaz and Miller in the numbers ..can you all explain that?
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here’s my explanation…
Florida Pete Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:58 am
i’m having trouble reconciling the Russell inacurracy accusation…
how is it that he is able to hit Miller whenever he wants, wherever Miller is???
i’m guessing here… because i don’t have game film to review… but i think it was the WR’s not running through their routes…
it’s like they ran practice routes… stopping or slowing down like they do in practice… instead of running through their routes and continuing…
i noticed this with both h-bey and murphy… especially h-bey…
also… it was like they were more focused on running their routes as opposed to looking for the ball… russel looked frustrated our there… frustrated with his receivers… one play in particular was the pass to H-bey going well beyond him… but h-bey never looked until it was too late… and he was slowing down… that looked to me like a potential big play… instead it was a 3rd down incomplete…
could Russell have been better??? absolutely… but blaming him for all of it isn’t right…
also… 3rd and 4th qtr play calling left something to be desired… maybe it was losing gallery… but we didn’t run very much… it was like the Raiders wanted to win… but they wanted to win through the air with Russell…
September 15th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Until this team starts blitzing in the fourth quarter, we will continue to lose.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:32 am
BLW how many times did he hit open recievers and they dropped the ball
September 15th, 2009 at 7:33 am
RR
You yourself said how poor Eli Manning functioned when he lost Plax.
JR lost Schillens.
You really need to look at passer ratings but they can also be misleading.
I live on the east coast and I see alot of NYG football.
Eli Manning looked much worse against top quality teams than JR last night. Without the development of a running game Eli is a “Bust”. That is what everyone called him until the superbowl win.
JR will make mistakes but he will be fine. Would you rather have Quinn?
September 15th, 2009 at 7:34 am
What’s the over/under for how long Al stays with JaMarcus? I’m saying 2 1/2 years.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Did Eugene play well? I must have missed him…
September 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
JaMarcus’s post game snack.
http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x178/cyn_90/icon/th_weird-people-fat-guy-eating-huge-ha.jpg
September 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Huff is playing much much better …his only problem …he doing it too late …they’ve already begun transitioning away from him with Branch/Mitchell …its hard to stop that train. He’ll have to perform like a pro-bowler to keep.
What I saw last night …I saw the vision of what this defense could be. If Mitchell can cover as good as he hits at SS …pair him with Branch at FS and whoa! look the f out!
These boys can tackle and hit hard! Mitchell ran right through Sproles on the KR. Branch stood a 300lb up!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Terrapin– Ok, and how many times did he have an open reciever for a first down and miss him completely? I can think of 8 off the top of my head.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:39 am
74 – NMF you are right. Bush tied Fargas’ rushing TD total for last year in the first quarter.
— I’m not complaining about anything. I saw competitive smash mouth game last night out of the Raiders. The prevent killed us at the end, but we were hitting and tackling and making it happen on defense and with the running attack. Howard planted the sd rbs face down a few times on the infield near 2nd base.
Someone said it earlier, in the 3rd when the sd o-line was hurt and confused, we should have blitzed and knocked Rivers out of the game. Kind of like the 4th down bomb call, but on defense, we should have won the game right there in the 3rd.
I stood in front of the TV for the entire game. Great to see competitive NFL quality football out of the Raiders.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Let us not forget that Huff intercepted that pass that was almost on the ground! He knows that this will be his last year if he doesn’t play well. It kinda showed last night!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Russell and the MLBs (4th Q) lost the game along with the overturned TD.
I think Russell will settle down during the course of the season though. he looked errant, lost in last years opener too and got better towards the end. must give your receivers a chance to make the catch when they are wide open though, still looks a little hesitant and throws too sloppy at times. needs to cut the attention surrounding an NFL game with all the cameras and all out, concentrate more and ignore the bigscreen and be confident. still lets it effect his game being the shy guy he is IMO, and knowing that the entire football world was watching being it a MN game in week 1 I saw this performance somehow coming.
he’ll calm down…
now the MLBs.
what are you guys LOOKING at with the midget in the backfield? who is 5-5 Sproles gonna block back there for gods sake man? YOU KNOW he will sit there and sneak out in your departed zones! like anothre poster said, PLAY THE STIIIICKS ON 3rd AND LONG DAMMIT! and tell Russell why you guys where out of position too there reading the QBs eyes so we can all learn from those plays and get better…AAAAARRRRGGHHHH!!!
ok…I feel much better now somehow…
out.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Morrison had 2 tackles, and I dont remember seeing him on many plays. Did he get hurt? Seymour, tied for league leader in sacks this week.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Well, that was better than last year’s blowout beginning.
I don’t know if Russell has regressed, or his rookie WRs just didn’t go where they were supposed to go. Russell was playing against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL from a year ago, but he certainly didn’t look good, but if DHB had’t dropped two passes, and JLH held onto that one ball, and I think McFadden dropped one too, and I guess if you count the Murphy drop in the end zone too…maybe his stats look much better…
…DHB, what the frig is wrong with you? Catch the damned ball you POS!
McFadden…hold onto the ball…great block and hard runs though…we went away from the run game too soon in my opinion. Bush had some nice runs too. Should have used those guys more in the passing game…although McFadden dropped that one pass.
Green and Morris did their best to mess up the 4th quarter TD drive…we really need them replaced.
Defense…good job for 90% of the game…horrible soft D late in the 4th quarter…just horrible…Rob Ryan like. Why go away from what go you there Marshall? Puzzy!
Seymour has inspired and changed the defense…unreal! Pressured the QB with mainly just a 4 man front, which is why we played them so well most of the game. Great pickup Mr. Davis!
Can’t wait for Chaz to come back…DHB needs hands replacement surgery.
If was nice to see Chargers dropping like flies on the field…
September 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Oh, nice of Huff to show up after 4 years too!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Some of that was route running. Like that first int, Murphy can see that corner right in front of him. He has to get between that guy and the ball.
He just seems to miss high a lot. There were a couple huge misses on out and corner routes to the right side, and those were throws that this team needed to win last night. I think he has the mental part of the game down for the most part. The accuracy is starting to concern me a bit though.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Florida Pete – You have a good point on the WRs not running through their routes. I distinctly remember this with DHB/JR missed connection.
It looked like JR missed him by a mile but I believe JR was actually looking for DHB to progress UP FIELD and not keep going sideways. He as leading his WR but the WR never saw it until it was too late.
That was the 30yds misfire as I remember. I’ll have to go back and review though.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:48 am
If we had a normal average NFL QB we would have won by a comfortable margin. That is the bottomline. The Raiders as an organization have to give Russell this year with all that is invested but after all of last season and this – The MAN IS PROBABLY A BUST!!! He can not really play at this level.
I did not want them to draft him. Calvin Johnson would have been a better investment. I also was hoping they could trade down. I warned he was not polished and reminded me of Ryan Leaf! Just because you can throw 100 yards on your knees does not mean you have the mental quickness and ability to read that it takes to be an NFL QB. His accuracy was at best inconsistent where he missed wide open receivers more than 8 times.
By the way What I got for that analysis at draft time was a charge of racism from some of the other members of this board. Last I checked the guys I wanted also happened to have dark skin (CJ and AP). Racism is stupid, we are all one race – the human race and for the record I don’t like being called stupid.
I was hopeful at the end of last year. Maybe he can turn it around but I doubt it. I hope I am wrong because if I am right, the best we will be is 7-9 with that kind of QBing. It could be he just had a bad night – I sure hope so….
September 15th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Mitchell replaces Routt in week 2. Has to happen. Routt is a liability out there and its only a matter of time before teams begin to exploit that.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:48 am
You yourself said how poor Eli Manning functioned when he lost Plax.
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no I didn’t. I talked about Eli once this offseason and when I did, I put up stats and made a solid arguement that even without Plax, Manning is a better QB than Russell. you’re clearly thinking of somebody else
September 15th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Damn, did I miss Mitchell on special teams? Dang, and I erased the game in a fit of anger last night!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:51 am
I’m sorry but Russell is terrible. There isn’t a single starting NFL QB I wouldn’t swap him for. His accuracy is awful Steve Young even commented on how these are throws a professional QB has to make they weren’t difficult throws. How is it possible that you lock onto 1 receiver and still cant get the ball within 10 yards of him? Thats pathetic.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Mitchell did okay as a gunner he got down there, but then again the KO returns by Sproles were killers. But again I can’t get over why Routt would jump without extending his arms for the ball!?! He could have batted down the Jackson TD.
Seriously he jumped and threw his arms back!?! Like some ballerina.
It is still haunting me! Dang last night was a game we should have won!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
even though russell was inconsistent he came through on 4th down in the 4th quarter for a TD
September 15th, 2009 at 7:53 am
It looked like JR missed him by a mile but I believe JR was actually looking for DHB to progress UP FIELD and not keep going sideways. He as leading his WR but the WR never saw it until it was too late.
That was the 30yds misfire as I remember. I’ll have to go back and review though.
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DHB couldn’t have caught that ball if he was 20 yards UPFIELD and 2 feet taller! quit reaching man. Russell let the nation down.
nothing we can do about the Al Davis defensive philosophy or getting screwed by the refs. time to focus on areas that need improvement
area #1 the passing game (ie Russell)
September 15th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Cutler looked HORRIFIC but I know it wasn’t All on him. You can tell he and the WRs were never on the same page. He threw the ball where he expected them to be but they went somewhere else. It was picks galore and misses in abundance.
You can’t put everything at the QBs feet when he’s in with 2 rookie WRs.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:54 am
At this point having DHB on the field is like playing 10 on 11…he is useless. Russell hit him right in the “hands” twice and he dropped them both. What a useless POS…a WR that can’t catch.
Lal, teach that punk to catch or you’ll be gone faster than you can say James Jett!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:54 am
DHB was on his back last night! He slipped alot. But I have to ask if you’re JLH what conversation are you having with Russell after that throw over the middle?? High and outside will get your recievers killed, not to mention the blast McFadden took in the 1st half.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Could someone tell me where the heck DHB was in that game?
Talking about missing in action!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Your bolog is truning into $hit again!!! With that damn slow down error. Fire the clown in the IT Department he sucks!
September 15th, 2009 at 7:57 am
RaiderTW Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:31 am
You’re cursed for being a troll now go shave your back.
Give the poor guy
a break. He’s never had to play on a baseball field before 
September 15th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Raider Rockstar what’s up?
Could you tell me whqat the heck our LBS were doing playing in the deep thirds of the field. Who the heck drops their LBs behind the first down marker? How stupid was that! I hate our LB schemes I think they suck!
As far as I am concerned, we just gave them the game.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Russell and this timing game thing is just not going to work. That play where DHB and JLH were just streaking down the field was just ridiculous. Where are the underneath crossing routes? Where were the check down options to the RBs and TEs? Even Miller’s catches were 10-15 yds down field. When JRuss had people open, he did not miss them. All his misses were on outside timing routes to rookie WRs.
Is Rivers any better b/c he had Sproles to dump he ball off to on that last drive? You have to know what you have and play to those talents. Russell is not Peyton Manning! Cmon Cable!
I think we are going to be in for a long season of simply being outcoached.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:03 am
They know the Raider’s are on the rise:
** They’ve got a great defense this year. They are going to stop a lot of people.” — Chargers running back Darren Sproles.
“They aren’t the same team. They have guys that want to win and play hard. They played their hearts out.” — Chargers tight end Antonio Gates.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:03 am
KC game is now a must win…actually, the next three games are critical if we want any chance of contending this year…3-1 and we got a chance…otherwise just another top ten pick.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:03 am
How is Mitchell going to replace Routt? MM is a safety and Routt is a DB. John Bowie can replace Routt
September 15th, 2009 at 8:05 am
The 4 plays that killed us:
1) The McFadden fumble. We were dominating the game, up 7-0 and near mid-field. He was going to go for another 6+ yard gain following some good blocking and coughes it up. Lost all momentum. Bush seems like a better everydown back at this stage.
2) The Murphy non-catch. Would have capped off a rugged but very effective 3 minute drill for Jamarcus and the Raiders with a TD. Officials have been calling those plays a lot tighter, regardless of what the rule is, Murphy HAS to catch that and by the rules he didn’t. Great throw and drive from Russell
3) Thomas Howard dropping 15 yards back on 3rd and 13. WTF was that? Not only does he drop back to far, he doesn’t get his feet under him and slips as he tries to move forward. Awful play-call, and even worse instincts. What happened to the Willie Shaw “Sticks” D where the LB’s would plant themselves on the “sticks” and than move forward NOT BACKWARDS?
4) Stanford Routt’s lack of ball skills on the first of the last two TD’s. Nmamdi got turned around, but good play-call by Marshall rolling Routt over there, but only he undercuts the ball too far, shows off a worthless 6 inch vertical and than a half-hearted swipe at the ball. He has got to get at least a finger on that ball.
All in all, a lot to work with moving forward. Russell had an awful stretch in the 3rd quarter, but Higgins had one or two drops, DHB dropped both passes thrown to him (one that hit him between the 1 and 2 on his jersey), Murphy dropped the TD and D-Mac also dropped an easy pass as well. Jamarcus put together what should have been a TD drive at the end of the 1st half and a clutch TD drive to take the lead with 3 minutes to go. Needs to work on his consistancy, but his first pick was Murphy’s fault for rounding out his route.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Oakglen where are you at?
Let me get this straight Oakglen. J Russell is a “bonafide” NFL Qb and Sanchez is a bust….isnt this what you been telling us ?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:05 am
BO yeah Eugene was great last night. He made a couple of good tackles and you rarely heard his name or saw him, which is good in the Raider D for the FS.
Remember how many times we saw Stu running sideways trying to track down dudes busting loose in our secondary? LOL
September 15th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Calling DHB……
Calling DHB…….
CALLING DHB…….
did we trade him?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:06 am
We don’t need any MF pitty parties!!!! Save that words of encouragement BS. We gave them the d@mn game! As usual we find a way to mess up a good thing!
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They know the Raider’s are on the rise:
** They’ve got a great defense this year. They are going to stop a lot of people.” — Chargers running back Darren Sproles.
“They aren’t the same team. They have guys that want to win and play hard. They played their hearts out.” — Chargers tight end Antonio Gates
September 15th, 2009 at 8:08 am
I mean can’t DHB at least catch a screen or run a reverse. Get his high paid @$$ in the game!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Could someone tell me where the D was in the 4th?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:09 am
thoughts:
1. JaMarcus Russell is a bust! He might be a servicable QB for us someday, but after three years the #1 overall pick was a waste. I have much more faith in Gradkowski out there. Russell can step up with huge throws when the game is on the line, but he can’t complete the little throws to keep drives alive. 12 for 30 is not a pro QB line.
2. Stop playing teams soft in the 4th quarter. How many times have I heard the Raiders say we played a soft zone at the end and somehow they drove the length of the field and scored. Happens every time; keep playing them tight all the way to the buzzer!!!
3. Seymour is a beast..he instantly improves our line, but we still have problems in the secondary, when it matters most. Asmougha, Johnson and Branch did their jobs, so once again I am skeptical of our LB’s
4. We need Chaz back. The combo of Chaz and Murphy should be decent by the end of the season.
5. The coaching is holding them back still. Watching Russell unleash that 4th and 15 pass made me wonder, what else we could have been doing the rest of the game. Cable lets them get backed into 3rd and long, with useless first down runs, putting Russell into worse situations. Cable needs to take the training wheels off, and let this offense attack more.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:10 am
besides the game… which i will say was fun to watch right up to the 4th quarter… it was interesting to listen to Steve Young last night…
my impression is that he is actually a fan of the team… i do recall several years ago Young represented a group of invvestors that wanted to buy a controlling share of the Raiders… with Young as the President… they wanted to push Davis out of being the controlling partner…
Young is a really smart guy… a fan… and it would not hurt my feelings if he and Davis could work together… i could see Young as GM/ future owner of this team…
and as you all know … i am a fan of Al Davis… i often may not like what he does… but i appreciate his desire and commitment…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:11 am
They were playing prevent, “preventing us from winning the game!”
How many bad passes can Rivers throw to his backs over the middle and they have plenty of time to adjust to the ball and make a catch. Sad man, just sad!
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hwnrdr Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Could someone tell me where the D was in the 4th?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Post 100 dead on.
None of these defensive starters have taken more than 50 snaps before tonight.
It’s a league wide problem and if we had the ball last we would have won last night.
Overall it was a great start to a building team.
When Chaz and Barnes hit the feild it will add momentum.
Good looking line play all night.
tackling and blocking was more crisp than I’ve seen in 6 years.
Al has rebuilt it, like he said.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:11 am
No disrespect, they played better than last year and your point is well taken. They are not the same records but you know what on record we still took another big “L” on Monday night to the best team in the league and gues what? We gave it to them! That soft prevent BS is not going to win a game. Russel throwing off the mark on some easy outs is not going to win a game. If we are going to be respected in the league we need “W’s”. A loss is a loss regardless of how you looked. We packaged the game up said “thanks but no thanks” and gave to them.
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exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Not a pitty party. It’s a realization they got away with a win and we gave them a beat down. Check their injured list, then check ours from the game. We out physicaled them and if not for a bogus td call, the least was OT. What happened to the ground cannot cause a fumble? Oh, that does NOT apply to the Raiders.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Less than 20games for a junior qb out of college (so even less games in college compared to other qbs in the league). If you all don’t understand that experience counts I can’t help you.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Not a pitty party. It’s a realization they got away with a win and we gave them a beat down. Check their injured list, then check ours from the game. We out physicaled them and if not for a bogus td call, the least was OT. What happened to the ground cannot cause a fumble? Oh, that does NOT apply to the Raiders.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I can’t stand this damn blog. Posting stuff all the way up top!
# Terrapin Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Less than 20games for a junior qb out of college (so even less games in college compared to other qbs in the league). If you all don’t understand that experience counts I can’t help you.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Anybody see Gallery’s pancake block on the Bush Touchdown run? If our o-line continues to improve, this team can be respectable if not a playoff contender. Cornell Green has to go!
Can Barnes play Right tackle? Gotta love Seymour!!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I have to give it to old Al for getting Seymour. I was loving that guys game man. He is built like a tank and plays like one as well. Very athletic, after watching him make that whole front line better I can not beleive the Pats let him go.
The Pats missed this guy aginst the Bills. They were gift wrapped a victory as well from the Bills bone haed return man.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:15 am
JRUSS = The Black ryan Leaf….
September 15th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Hey Cable!!!
Can we see some screens to Bush & DMAC?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am
oh yeah I forgot:
6. Mop Handle is the weakest link on either of our lines. Why can’t we replace this guy? Everytime I see a flag, I just assume its on Mop Handle now. Barnes better start getting some work on the right side…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Guys dont be so hard on JaMeatball he is ONLY in his 3rd year, cmon!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am
With 4.3 speed Mitchell can play the nickel, gets him game experience before he’s ready to leap frog over Eugene, Branch or Huff.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:18 am
For all the people who tried to tell everyone that Warren does a good job because he “Absorbs” the double-team need to watch what Seymour did last night. The man gets double-teamed and still gets sacks and consistant pressure on the QB.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Marshall law was lookin very nice for 3 1/2 quarters I dont know WTF Nnamdi is talking about here maybe he hit his head.
“I think that’s what any team would do in that situation. For it not to work out, you obviously can’t beat yourself over the head. If we did it again, we’d probably be doing calls similar to what we did in that last two minutes.”
September 15th, 2009 at 8:19 am
One thing that has gone unsaid is:
Seymour, Week 15, 2008 … shutdown.
Mario Williams, Week 16, 2008 … shutdown.
Gaines Adams, Week 17, 2008 … shutdown.
Shawne Merriman, Week 1, 2009 … shutdown.
Ladies and gents you have yourself a legitimate playa at left tackle.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Green had at least three penalties last night…
Green, the drive killer.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Fa Show Chris,
Mario Henderson didnt get mentioned once last night, which is the highest praise for a LT. I don’t even worry about that side of the line anymore. The problem is that Henderson playing so well has exposed Russell.
I think Cable needs to do a much better job of tailoring the play-book to match Russell’s strength, but some of his bad throws are mind-boggling. In his defense though, when Chaz returns our passing offense should be much better. Two rookie WR’s to start the season? has that ever been done before?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
How much is Al paying JaMarcus each year? And how long is his contract?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Chris we all know that why dont you go back to licking JaMeatballs sack.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Hey Mistabrown
JR will over throw them and or they will get killed by a high trow then a hit. Frankly Gradowski looked better LOL….
By the way to 16 year… One bomb does not make up for bombing out of an entire game! He would not of even been in that situation – third and long if he could just throw the ball properly on other plays… SD was daring us to throw and we had open recievers all night long. Everytime they panned out on a play it was scary at how open WRs were including DHB. Probably because they were keying on where he was staring down one reciever…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:22 am
The Good …
Dline
Huff
CB play
Bush
Miller
Effort!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:22 am
And what about the call on 4th and 15 by Cable!?! As JRuss went to the line I had visions of the FG fake in KC last year.
Goat or Hero, Cable you played to win the game, great call, but my heart was in my throat for that play.
Wow what a gutsy call, I really hope the team builds on this game.
At least we know we have a coach with cahoneys.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:23 am
JRUSS The Black Ryan Leaf….
September 15th, 2009 at 8:24 am
How long will Al stay with J Russ before giving up?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:26 am
The Bad ..
Playcalling – those 3 and outs killed us in the 3rd qtr. Run left, run right, incomplete timing pass to the WRs. That was awful! Where’s the screens? Where’s the dump offs to Dmac and Bush? Where’s the 2 TE set?
LBs in pass coverage. Not sure why Brown was in instead of Morrison.
Cornell Green – Uggghhh!
Branch on Gates – Branch is not good in coverage.
Penalties – I guess that’s Green again! Uggghhh!
But, I guess we made progress. The game was actually watchable as oppossed to last year.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:27 am
I have been in JAMs corner but man!!!!
Russel really needs some work on his passing game.
You can not make it in this league over throwing players and locking on WRs like he does man. In his defense it looks like the WRs are out of rythm with him as well. But every time he drops back you hold your breath.
I have defended him on his weight as well but now enough is enough. That guy was a disgrace in hiis uniform. Gut out, butt out!!! Come on JAM you are a pro athlete take care of your frame.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:29 am
You really can’t run a prevent D up by 3 points unless there are 30, maybe 40 seconds left in the game. Running the prevent D with 2 minutes left and the opponent has timeouts is just asking to get beat.
This is the problem when they say the Raiders don’t know how to win. It’s this play not to lose mentality that takes over any time we have a lead late in games. The coaches and some players react like ‘holy crap I can’t believe we might actually steal this win. Let’s just do whatever we can to take time off the clock and keep our fingers crossed they won’t score before the clock runs out on them.’
September 15th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Thats the thing on Russell though. He threw some darts that very few QBs could make…like that back pedalling 18 yard pass on a rope for a completion in the first half. He throws well to the center of the field too.
I have a feeling that the ones he misses are touch issues – like he is trying to throw the ball over a lineman or linebacker and drop it into the receiver – and the ball just sails right over the receivers’ head.
He will probably carry the “bust” label just because he was the #1 pick, but he can contribute in this league. The Leaf comparison is unfair. Leaf was a bust because he was an idiot, he couldn’t control his emotions, and he forced way too many throws. If anyting, Russell is the opposite.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Until the Raiders get rid of Russell they will continue to lose.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Steve Young is saying on the broadcast they need to simplify things for JaMeatball! They need to cut the field in half for him and have him throw to one side….WOW
We are screwed!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I am most upset that Nhamdi says they would play that same D again in that situation. Has he learned nothing from his 6 years here? Our defense does not play the zone well, even I know that. It’s always the same culprit when we get lit up bad; 7+ in coverage, soft zone, single safety back. Every QB in the league can pick our defense apart in that scheme, and most of them have done it at least once in the last few years.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:33 am
and that loose zone in the 4th quarter really killed us last night.
I’m I the only one that thinks that it is better to be aggressive and risk giving up a big play in that situation than to give up a lot of short plays and allow the team to get into field position for a FG and burn out the clock? At least if they score quick, we get the ball back with some time left.
With the defense we played at the end, it was like we wanted SD to kick a FG and go to overtime. That would have been the best case scenario.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:35 am
I’m sick of BSPN – according to them it was the greatness of the Chargers that won the game, it wasn’t the fact that the refs gave them the game.
They are terrible
September 15th, 2009 at 8:36 am
so…. hope, aint it a beauty? we have ourselves a D line gentelmen. we can win 8. we will win 8.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:37 am
JRUSS is The Black Ryan Leaf….
September 15th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Russell would be a bust if he was a 4th round pick.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Russell didn’t play great, but last I checked he left the field with about 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and a lead in the game. If the defense holds late nobody is all that concerned with JaMarcus and it would’ve illuminated the great TD pass to Murphy (which was preceded by a perfect 3rd and 15 pass to JLH).
As well as almost everyone played for 90% of the game, his is a team loss — players and coaches alike (although I was very impressed with Cable for the most part).
Also, go find me another team starting two rookie WRs. Guess what, you won’t. Murphy had some great moments but he also caused that interception on the first drive that took points off the board and (allegedly) dropped that TD pass that took another 4 points off the board.
Also, for all those, let’s get rid of JaMarcus guys, just know that some of the QBs he played better than a lot of veteran QBs in Week 1 including Carson Palmer, Jake Delhomme, Jay Cutler and others. And all of those guys have some proven veteran WRs to throw to. Give him time. You can’t write anyone off after one game or else the Bears would try to bring back Rex Grossman to take over for Jay “Four Picks” Cutler.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
JRUSS The Black Ryan Leaf, he is a tool…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
The Raiders should give Gradkowski the 1st team reps this week and let him start vs KC.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Imagine how good we would be if we didnt run the prevent.
Imagine how good we would be if we would blitz.
IMAGINE HOW GOOD WE WOULD BE IF WE DIDNT HAVE THE BLAKC RYAN LEAF…..
September 15th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Imagine how DEADLY our run game would be if we had a Qb that could play his position!
SD choked off the run in the second half because there was no threat of a passing attack. KC will stack the box from the jump. IT COULD BE A LONG DAY IN KC!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:42 am
# Mistabrown Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Oakglen where are you at?
Let me get this straight Oakglen. J Russell is a “bonafide” NFL Qb and Sanchez is a bust….isnt this what you been telling us ?
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Jamarcus has had 18 career NFL starts and Sanchez one. Only a moron would make drastic conclusions based on that. Matt Stafford threw three pix yesterday in his lst start. Is he a bust?? Missed-a-brain wouldn’t know football if George Halas and Vince Lombardi got reincarnated and one shoved a football down your throat while Vince stuffed one up your ass you STILL wouldn’t know football. Stick to global warming. Your completely bizarre insane ideas of that are closer to the truth.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
OAKGLEN, YOU ARE THE TOOL THAT CALLED SANCHEZ A BUST NOT ME!
How delusional are you?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Everyone is right to praise Mario Henderson. Having a legit LT is like a miracle.
It’s also true that Russell is suffering from having two rookie wide outs. DHB appears to be a long way from contributing.
But when Russell has time to pass — as he usually did last night — and a receiver is open, he has to make the throws. Bottom line: Defenses are going to stack the line and force Russell to beat them.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
after getting continually screwed by mike pereira, i think im glad he is retiring…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am
PEOPLE need to catch the ball, Russel had his problems but man that ball hits you in the hands you need to hang on to it!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Thec07 Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:23 am
JRUSS The Black Ryan Leaf….
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Now JRuss did not look that great but even he is better than RYan Leaf. Terrible comparison!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I’ll say it again. If Schilens were playing we win that game by 2 TDs. Can’t put it all on JaMarcus. He’s a part of the reason for this loss but so are:
– The refs
– The rookie WRs
– The soft zone (prevent) D
– The Chargers
September 15th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I wouldn’t say SD could stop the run in the second half. They did stack the line and dare us to pass, but we were still getting 2-4 yards a pop. That left us with some very manageable 3rd downs that we just couldn’t pick up. We were converting a lot of this in the first half.
And no QB taken in the 4th round is a bust. At that point, you are drafting a backup QB, and hoping you can develop them a couple years down the road. In most cases they don’t pan out.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Oakglen,
JaMeatball is a “bonafide” NFL QB, are you still sticking to that dumb statement ?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:47 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 2:37 am
Oakglenn, your absence is noted, as well. I know you were at the game but you live in Oakland and it could not have taken you 4 hours to get home. YOU GUYS ARE HIDING!
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Jesus H. Christ, what are you an infant?? We didn’t leave the stadium to almost midnight and you are crying that I am not on this blog posting messages at two in the morning?? What am I your babysitter?? Get a fooking life. Normally, I won’t make comments til I watch the gametape.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:47 am
who ever believes that changing QBs will change our offense is delisuonal. our coaches suck, we cant develop talent, we have to import it developed. seymore & ellis are perfect examples…the fact that super mario was riding the bench behind kwami is fact enough to understand that our coaches suck at every level…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Our dline was gassed in the fourth period. On top of that they were playing against some fresh guys.
We should have supplemented that with some blitzing, right up the middle at rivers as he is not very mobile due to the surgeries…. He is a very lucky man, he just missed getting paramedic a couple of times.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:48 am
LMAO @ not making comments until watching “gametape”.
I came home and made several comments you tool. Now Im watching the Broadcast and Steve Young is basically saying JaMeatball needs to have the field cut in half!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Mistabrown Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Texguy, when the defense has 8 or 9 in the BOX you have to call pass plays………..AND your #1 pick QB has to be able to execute….but he cant….he sucks!!!
U dig?
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your No 1 WR “DHB” f@kin mr invisbile should be open
September 15th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Things that lost us the game:
1. Murphy TD overturned.
2. 3rd qtr play calling – calling too many pass plays
3. 3rd quarter play execution – non-excuted plays = 3 and out, making the defense tired for the 4th qtr.
4.
Things the Raiders need to do before next game:
1. Give Seymour extension
2. Give JLH some advil.
3. Have Gradkowski give Jruss a passing clinic.
4. Ban the Prevent Defense
That being said, I was happy with the effort given by the players. Even the announcers were saying how the D dominated. (At least until the last 2 drives.)
The last couple of years, they would have given up by halftime.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Good game last night.
*Seymore makes a huge difference for that defense.
*The running game with Bush & McFadden was excellent. (As we all knew)
*Murphy;s catch was a TD (thats call was a joke)
*Once again…we lose in the fourth quarter! Prevent should be outlawed in Oakland! How many games in the last two years have we lost on the final drive? Too many
*Jamarcus does not look fluid out there. I think any average QB would have won that game. I’d be willing to bet Garcia would have one that game! We dominated defense/offense but yet..we lose..I just don’t see a quarterback that is a “winner”. Trade for Derek Anderson or Byron Leftwich..they would have won that game..
I just think J. Russ is going to produce. Some of those passes were just so bad. Me and my girlfriend watched the Pats/Buff game..She said “the Raiders Qb looks so sloppy..HA HA”. My freaking girlfriend can see that something isn’t right! Start Gradowski! Russel is not a winner..period
September 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Oakglen, you attended a pro football game and cant make any comments until watching “gametape” ?
What are you an infant ?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
# Mistabrown Says:
February 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
The Browns are going be a thorn in that division next year.
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He missed-a-brain, here are your comments. Actually, the Browns were 4-12 last year and 1-5 in the division. The only team in the division they beat were the lowly Bungholes. They were actually better OUTSIDE the division posting a 3-7 record outside the division. So, no, the browns were not a thorn to anyone last year PARTICULARLY IN THE DIVISION. You couldn’t get anything right if your life depended on it. You’ve never known anything dude. You are a moron.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
The refs didnt screw us,..Russell cost us a game that should have been a 21 point win,..Russell sucks, quit blaming refs,..it was Russell. Period,..he will suck at KC too.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I’m going to take a step back on JRuss. I don’t think he is the problem, but he doesn’t look like a Sanchez or Ryan.
1st year in the Cable/Tollner/Hackett playbook with 2 rookie WRs?
I didn’t see him missing open guys, I just saw ZERO timing with the WRs.
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You didn’t see him MISSING OPEN GUYS??
Are you BLIND??
You’re the only guy on the planet who didn’t see him miss open guys.
Over and over and over he missed wide open guys..some having a full step..some even more.
Guess the comments from the announcers saying that ‘and NFL QB should make those plays” confused you.
Grow a spine. Admit you were wrong.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
How bout dem Browns mistabrown?? You don’t know what the fook you are ever talking about you derelict.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
I have been Cornell Green’s biggest critic, but you know what?
he did average in pass protection, except the one holding call when the speed rusher would have killed Russell and his run blocking was superb.
get those false starts cleaned up and he might be good enough to start 16 games at RT, I dunno
I don’t see Barnes being an upgrade at RT, just an insurance policy at LT …
September 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
What the raiders need is someone on KC to take his knees out, sideline him for the year, because he makes too mcuh money for the raiders to sideline him….this is his last year though. thank Satan. (I dont believe in God)
September 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Doesn’t the fact that people are saying “we called to many pass plays”..POINT TO THERE BEING A PROBLEM AT QUARTERBACK?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
if Russell had any accuracy and chemistry with the WR’s that game last night would have been over by halftime, not 10-10 (14-10 if the refs hadn’t screwed us) or at least the 3rd quarter …
He only completed 12 of 30 friggin passes. QB Rating of 47 …
Can’t blame it all on the WR’s and you certainly can’t blame the playcalling or o-line!
Gradkowski is a midget compared to Russell in stature, but at least he proved he can complete screen passes. Get the ball to DMC & Bush in the flats!
September 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Texguy, when the defense has 8 or 9 in the BOX you have to call pass plays………..AND your #1 pick QB has to be able to execute….but he cant….he sucks!!!
U dig?
September 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
los raiders de don rober Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:47 am
who ever believes that changing QBs will change our offense is delisuonal.
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missed-a-brain thinks we should. So does maddenidiot, and dorko boob. What do they have in common?? They’re all delusional, you’re right los raiders.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:56 am
How bout dem browns mistabrown?? Looking good. 1-5 in the division. But you called it. They were a real thorn. What a COMPLETE dummass.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Oh. forgot one.
Release Green and put Jruss on RG… lol
Jhill, I was actually impressed with Branch last night, he was in on almost every good defensive play in the 1st half. Kind of dropped off in the 2nd half though. Still a young inexperienced guy, but will get better with time.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Trevor Scott & Ricky Brown were supposed to be weak links vs the run I thought?
both men played well last night. Scott got some pressure on Rivers as well
Ike Ekejiuba has blazing speed. anybody see him catch Sproles from behind on that KR that would have been a TD ??? impressive.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I’m not saying that Russell will not be a bust either. He will either figure things out this year, or he won’t. The whole team was bad enough last year, that his mistakes really didn’t cost us any games.
The team around him is getting good enough now that his bad play can cost us games.
BTW – anyone who saw last night’s game and said the coaches aren’t improving this team is blind. The only knock on the coaching staff from last night is that soft zone in the 4th quarter.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
JRUSS = LEAF, dont be fooled by him until he improves he will suc in my book…
September 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Norco Bob Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
The refs didnt screw us,..Russell cost us a game that should have been a 21 point win,..Russell sucks, quit blaming refs,..it was Russell. Period,..he will suck at KC too.
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Bob, KC blows. Mark my words: If the D plays like it did for the first 3.5 quarters against SD we will beat the Chefs by 20+.
And I’m sure you’ll be on here criticizing JaMarcus for his post-game bling or something.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am
I’m with you Norco..The only chance we have is an injury to Russel. Other than that, he is going to play.
You need to be able to pass the ball accurately in the NFL. I don’t think Russel can do that..When has he shown otherwise?
I mean, Sanchez/Ryan/Flacco etc etc..Nobody is saying “don’t let them throw the ball”. I feel like , as soon as I see Russel in the shotgun, I’m like “o boy”, or why aren’t the running the ball?”
September 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am
mista brown – that is what I was talking about with unexecuted plays – incomplete passes.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Chris in NY
You raise a good point. I still do not agree with the logic of starting two rookie WRs. It just does not make since to me. Where is Walker? Where is JLH? I wonder if JLH is having problems running the right routes. We need a flanker that can catch some stuff in front of the LBs.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I don’t think Green is all that bad either. Very good run blocker. Decent pass blocker. But he’s a lock to draw 1-2 penalties per game and that’s what your average fan notices. I don’t think Green is costing us any wins right now.
Also, first games as NFL starters:
Sanchez: 18-31, 272 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
JaMarcus: 23-31, 224 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Don’t get carried away on any one game whether it’s a rookie QB’s first start or a guy in about his 17th career start. Let the season play and let’s see what happens.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I will pray to Satan all week for some big fat Cgief to roll Russells ankle, knee, anything!…we need him put on IR for the year,…Gradkowski is the anser…tough,..smart,..oh and ACCURATE!!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Brady Quinn looked absolutely HORRIBLE yesterday. Is he a bust??
September 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Oakglen, you saying you didnt call Sanchez a bust right? Im a liar, are you sticking to that as well?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
LMAO @ Oakglenn digging up my post from Feb 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I feel your pain but Leaf and Russel have two unique games. Leaf had/has such a bad attitude that he is a locker room cancer so once again I can’t agree with the comparison. Leaf was a spoiled kid playing the role of a professional.
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Thec07 Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
JRUSS = LEAF, dont be fooled by him until he improves he will suc in my book…
September 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Khalif Barnes needs to man the right side starting next weak and Russell will have 2 bailout guys in Schilens and Miller. Sorry DHB but Cable needs to be bold and start Murphy and Chaz
September 15th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Oak, that fools crazy. He thinks wehaveto answer to his dumbass. I log on when and if I chose to, I ha a great time at the game last night.
My feelings are if we run Bush in the 2nd half we win
September 15th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Oakglen, you didnt even go to the game did you? You spent the whole night digging through post all the way back to 2008!!! And all you could find was my take on the Browns in 2008 ?
LMAO!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:05 am
once gradkowski starts, we start winning.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Priest we couldn’t run Bush in the second half because “Black Moses” JaMeatball is garbage! SD stacked the BOX….didnt you watch the game expert ?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
PRIEST!!!…hi bro,..you finally agree that russell sucks?…he does,..46.7 rating,..lol,..thats actually good for him!! lmao
September 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
guys, we lost last nite but i think we can all agree that was the most beat down we’ve given anyone in a long long long time. Even the 2002 team was not as physical and challenging on the D as last nite. Cable will make some adjustments on the playcalling of the O and D and we will be just fine. I expect us to to go 3-1 in the next 3 games. KC, Den, and Hou. All winnable games and they are not as strong as SD.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:07 am
CJ Legen,
JLH isn’t playing because Al Davis said “Everyone was laughing at my draft..start both rookie wide receivers..that will show them!” I’ll bet that..
No way..NO WAY. Anyone can tell me DHB is a better receiver, right now, than JLHiggins. NO FREAKN WAY!
Once again, Al screwing things up!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
would you guys stop whining about Gradkowski vs Russell? i have been calling for screens all nite and it was only when Gradkowski came in that we started doing screens. That was completely on Cable. he should have made adjustmnets.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Shawne Merriman is garbage.
Stephen Cooper is now the best Chargers LB. 13 tackles, 1 forced fumble, 2 passes defensed
Nnamdi held Chris Chambers to NO CATCHES with a soft cast on and even sniffed out that run play and crushed Sproles behind the LOS. lol
Chris Johnson held Vincent Jackson (poised to be a top 10 WR in this league) to 5 catches for 56 yards. would have been less if Routt had any awareness on that TD pass with Nnamdi in support
September 15th, 2009 at 9:10 am
They tried running in the 2nd half it just wasnt working anymore..
SD isnt stupid they can see JaFarcus is no threat with a football in his hands.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Garcia asked to be let go because its ridiculous for a decent qb to have to sit behind russell,…ridiculous.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Ricochet,
What does take a step back mean to you?
Could you please enlighten me on which WRs were running open? Was DHB open and JRuss missed him? I thought I saw DHB drop 2 balls, and that was about it?
JLH’s drops and wrong routes?
Murphy’s drop in the endzone? Murphy running a bad route on that pick in the first qtr?
Dmac’s drop?
Could you PLEASE stop with the recycled ESPN takes? I saw Greenie and Golic last night, don’t need you to repeat their crap?
They start calling for Garcia even though they admit Oakland should have been up 14-10 at the half.
And like I said, Sanchez, Ryan, and Flacco look better than Russell does at this point, for whatever reason. But if you are going to sit here and tell me the alternatives in Vince Young, Matt Lienart, or Brady Quinn would’ve been any better, then you need to take you own advice and check your spine.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I love how Gradkowski gets what 2 or 3 plays, gets them in a 3rd and 15 situation, yet he’s the man!
Too funny!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
We got dorko and missed-abrain agreeing. What does THAT tell ya?? I have already been over this a million times with you morons. You see Matt Ryan and call Jamarcus a bust. You see Flacco and call Jamarcus a bust. Flacco’s team was 13-3 two years before Flacco joined it. Ryans team was in the NFC Championship game 3 years before and had a Pro Bowl receiver. You have to compare Jamarcus to OTHER overall number ones. Like Stafford, or most recently Alex Smith of the Whiners. And David Carr, Eric Couch. Peyton Manning was 3-13 his lst year as a starter. Troy Aikman was 1-15. You morons would have cut both of those Hall of Famers. Jamarcus basically made his 1st start of his 2nd season. With TWO NEW receivers. It’s funny how stupid some of you really are.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Gradkowski came in and threw two dumpoffs at the line of scrimmage and you guys are ready to annoint him.
Meanwhile, JaMarcus throws a perfect strike on 3rd and 15 to JLH and then comes back on 4th and 15 and hits Murphy in stride on a 57-yard TD pass that gives the Raiders the lead and you could’nt possibly hate on the guy more. Get real.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Chris in NY– Ok, that did happen. But how many times did drives end because he flat missed open recievers? I can think of 8 times off the top of my head. My only beef with J Russ is his accuracy. Like Steve Young said, you can’t be taught that. You either got it or you don’t. JaMarcus just isn’t ever going to be an accurate passer. I hope he succeeds, believe me I want it, but what I see is obvious.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:16 am
# jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I love how Gradkowski gets what 2 or 3 plays, gets them in a 3rd and 15 situation, yet he’s the man!
Too funny!
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Of course I watched Kerry Collins get BOOED OFF THE FIELD, as the RAIDERS Q! And he then went to a pro bowl with Tennessee. Jeff Fisher saw something that Raider fan sure didn’t. Some of these fans should maybe learn something about the game.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Oakglenn.
Honestly..You think JRuss looks good in the pocket? He looks fluid and confident?
I’m not talking about stats or wins..I’m talking about a presence in the pocket! U think JRuss looks good when he’s moving in the pocket?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Listen,
Russell is NOT Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. I think we all know that. But anyone clamoring for Jeff Garcia and his jump passes is frickin … well let’s just say you are wrong.
Gradkowski? Are you kidding me?
I’d rather have Steve Young calling the plays. At least he knows what he’s working with and would call plays to JRuss’s strength’s. Screens, check downs to the RBs, hit the TE, play action fake deep, but with check downs.
NOT MANNING AND WAYNE TYPE TIMING PATTERNS!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:18 am
JaMarcus the FARCE!!! Dude sucks, plain and simple, black and white. Not if’s and’s or but’s about it. JaWallruss STINKS. I said it when we drafted him, you cant be dumb as a box of rocks and play the QB position. Skill? What skill? He doesn’t have any skill.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Mike and Mike are idiots. They kept wondering why LT was not getting all of the plays.
I could see it easily. Sproles is better than LT this year. LT looked slow, and Sproles was quick. I was hoping that they would use LT so we could put the game away.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:20 am
LMFAO. I love the MORONS in here that think everything will be just fine when Chaz Schillens returns. I must have forgot that Chaz is a 5 time pro bowl selection.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:20 am
There were five or six dropped passes that made Russell’s numbers look very bad. But that being said, until Russell improves his accuracy, touch, decision making, fumble problems, and weight issues, his is not going to be an elite NFL QB.
At this point, I am just hoping for a serviceable QB that can keep the defense honest and let the run game dominate. Once SD saw that our passing game sucked they challenged our run game with little fear of the passing game. They blew one coverage that allowed us to score a TD in the second half, but beyond that they knew Russell was unlikely to beat them.
This season, Russell needs to improve quickly or we are going to struggle.
We also need help at C and RT…hopefully Barnes can play RT. Green had at least three penalties last night…he is a drive killer…
At least cooper didn’t have a penalty that I noticed anyhow.
Too bad Mike and Mike couldn’t get the player’s names correct…every time Bush carried they called him McFadden…friggin morons.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:20 am
More time will help Jruss with his terrible footwork and reading blitzs but his inaccuracy was scary he overthrew a couple balls by a mile and SD dropped a pick, hopefully Chaz coming back will help but man he only threw maybe 2 really good passes.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Bench russell and we can possibly win some games, with russell its 1-15
September 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Oakglenn..
You think JRuss looks anything like Flacco/Ryan/Manning/Stafford when he is sitting in the pocket doing his checkdowns?
Russel looks v-e-r-y s-l-o-w..and indecisive and inaccurate.terrible footwork..and some really bad throws! God..he just looks so sloppy some times
47 QB rating @ home. While every other facet of the team is dominating the opponent.
The Raiders were better than the Chargers last night. Too bad their QB wasn’t!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Jon Ritchie on ESPN2 just said the Raider’s have served notice on the league that the D line is tired of the disrespect and they could have a winning record. Ist down says the Raiders are greatly improved and the Chargers are pretenders. What was missing on the Patriots was Seymour and a great addition to the Raiders. No such thing as a moral loss.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
I think finally with the addition of Seymore and these two running backs that are excellent..I think, with a decent veteran QB, this team would go 9-7.
With that 9-7..we could add a few pieces and make a run at the playoffs.
But.Al is going to stick with Russel. No matter how bad his accuracy is, or how bad his reads are..We will be lucky to go 4-12 with this kid at QB.
I’ll bet we have a Qb change at some point this season. No way a team can dominate another..Like the Raiders dominated the Chargers and still lose. JRuss will get 8 starts to prove himself an NFL QB..right now..he’s 0-1
September 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
how can anybody make a case that 12/30 is considered accurate?
are you guys gonna make a breakdown for us of how many plays the WR ran the wrong route? (how would we – or the announcers know that?)
tell us how many drops too.
Russell was really 20-25 for 30, right fellas? puhleeze
September 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
This hurts.Left home for work when we were 3 up with 12 mins left to play in the fourth.Couldn’t believe it when I got to work and saw we’d lost.As flat as a fart all day.
BUT we played well right up to the point where we lost the game.You’ve got to have a short memory in football.Let’s get ready for Kansas.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Tom Cable didn’t want to let the cat out of the bag, but he was saving Heyward-Bey for Kansas City. The offense will feature a different go-to WR each week
Week 1: Murphy
Week 2: Heyward-Bey
Week 3: Higgins
Week 4: Walker
Week 5: Schilens
this will force Russell to work with the entire WR corps, not just Zach Miller or Chaz Schilens. It will also make it hard for defenses to gameplan against our dynamic passing attack featuring JaMarcus “Mad Bomber 2″ Russell!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Two things in common with JaWallruss and Oakglenn, they both SUCK.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
JaMarcus is a complete 1st selection QB bust. We are screwed.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
# jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Right Oak,
Flacco or Ryan give there team a 20-17 lead with two minutes to go, and they are talked about differently. I think there TEAM comes into account b/c most likely, they don’t give up the TD winning drive.
Russell did not have any checkdowns fellas. Cable and Tollner had 10-15 yard routes for EVERYONE!
I just don’t see why that is not being acknowledged. All Cable has been saying ALL SUMMER is that he wants JRuss to get the ball out quick, get the ball out quick. The timing routes have ZERO timing.
It’s real simple for our Meathead, Cable. Screens and passes to the RBs off play action work really well against teams stacking the line. Enough with the drop back look deep madness!
And will someone please tell me the difference between how Aaron Rogers played and how JRuss played?
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Did we watch the same game man? You got a man crush on the Wallruss call JaMarcus? Or is it his white fur coat that turns you on?
Even the moron announcers could see that the offensive scheme was really basic. JaFat didn’t even have to read the whole field. He had ONE primary receiver and ONE check down on nearly every play. How easier could they have made it for him?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Right Oak,
Flacco or Ryan give there team a 20-17 lead with two minutes to go, and they are talked about differently. I think there TEAM comes into account b/c most likely, they don’t give up the TD winning drive.
Russell did not have any checkdowns fellas. Cable and Tollner had 10-15 yard routes for EVERYONE!
I just don’t see why that is not being acknowledged. All Cable has been saying ALL SUMMER is that he wants JRuss to get the ball out quick, get the ball out quick. The timing routes have ZERO timing.
It’s real simple for our Meathead, Cable. Screens and passes to the RBs off play action work really well against teams stacking the line. Enough with the drop back look deep madness!
And will someone please tell me the difference between how Aaron Rogers played and how JRuss played?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Murphy made a td no matter what the refs said, his backside hit the ground b4 he lost the ball, it’s a terrible call no matter what the refs explanation was. Does he take the ball home w/ him to ensure the ball isn’t out of his possession? Another Raider call
September 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
will someone please tell me the difference between how Aaron Rogers played and how JRuss played?
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Rodgers completed 60 percent of his passes, not 40.
QB Rating of 92, not 47. no turnovers from him. Packers won the game
September 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Jhill
Please do not compare Russel to A.Rogers. Rogers was a rookie starting QB last year too. Look at the numbers numbskull:
Aaron Rodgers, QB GNB 63.6% 4038 yds 28tds 13ints 93.8 QB Rating
JaMarcus Russell, QB OAK 53.8% 2423yds 13tds 8ints 77.1 Qb RAting.
Apples and Oranges bro. They both made their rookie season starts. O right..Rogers is older, right? Whatever..Russel is older than flacco and ryan..
My point is..Russel has never looked good! I never saw him make a play and say “wow..Russel is great..or only J.Russ could make that play..or wow..Russel carried the Raiders to victory” NEVER!
One bad game… is that..one bad game. Problem is Russel had 17 starts..and what.. 3 pretty decent games starting?
Has he had a great game? Has he carried the team to victory? Has he ever impressed you with his athleticism or accuracy?
We all know the answers..we need a new QB
September 15th, 2009 at 9:37 am
All the guys that essentially said ‘don’t worry about the Schilens injury. We’ll be fine’….do you believe us now?
Outside of the Murphy bomb where he was WIDE open, Schilens is the only WR with whom JaBlingus has any comfort/timing with.
I think I read somewhere where the coaching staff and Davis were just sick about the Schilens injury. With Schilens last night, we easily beat those powder-blue punks.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:39 am
RRS,
12/30 is horrendous!
30 pass attempts should produce at least 20 completions.
2 drops by DHB
1 by JLH
1 by Murphy
1 awful route by Murphy for a pick
2 drops by Dmac
Those are 7 completions that should have been made which include a TD toss.
I’m just saying that Garcia and Gradkowski would not have been better. Are you really telling me their “timing” with the WRs would be better?
Bottom line is we need to involve the RBs A LOT more in the passing game. Did a really good job of using the TE, but not the RBs.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Sigh, what up, Nation?
So the strongest part of our game last night is run defense? Who’da thunk it?
My observations:
-Seymour is a beast. He makes this D legit. He frees up Ellis, who looked spectacular and allows Scott to play his role. Seymour even made Kelly and Warren look good.
-The secondary looked great (Branch especially). River wet after CJ a bit and didn’t get much.
-The defensive play calling was soft on the last two drives.
-As poor as Russell looked, he can throw the dang ball hard, but of course we all knew that. He still put us in a position to win on a 57 yard TD throw (his second of the game, of course it won’t show up on the stat sheet) on 4th and 15.
-Defense needed one more big stop despite holding SD down to 10 points or less most of the game.
-Did I mention Seymour’s a beast?
-Oakland was by far more physical and dominated the LOS.
-Oakland can hang with the big boys and is some solid QB/WR play away from beating the big boys.
-Al’s 1970s style works when executed by PLAYERS, not just ATHLETES.
-Heyward-Bey was a complete non-factor.
-Louis Murphy didn’t look like he kept the ball on his 57 yarder, I wonder if he kept the ball thrown to him on the play where….
-The refs robbed us of a TD. Period.
-The future looks brighter if they continue to play inspired football.
-This is a big week of practice, Russell needs to be in the film room. They need to keep up momentum and beat KC.
-Get McFadden in space for CRYING OUT LOUD! Stop calling plays designed to have 3 interchangeable backs. Cable needs to call plays to cater the strengths and weaknesses of his players, especially QB/WR/RB.
-I liked first play of game from LOS. McFadden in motion, Bush between the T’s.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Yeah Dakota, it was all DHB’s fault we lost. Nothing to do with our over weight, over paid, over hyped QB who sucks.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Rodgers completed 60 percent of his passes, not 40.
QB Rating of 92, not 47. no turnovers from him. Packers won the game
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Did you watch the GB game, RRS?
Rogers couldn’t hit the side of a barn early in that game. passes we high, behind WRs, and a bunch of 3 and outs. He almost got Driver killed in that game. But at the end of the game, he thorws a nice TD to a wide open WR, just like JRuss did.
Oh yeah, did I mention his defense actually closed the game out.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Jhill,
You are comparing apples and oranges.
So you would rather have Russel over Rogers? We all know who is the better QB?
Rogers looks better..plays better..has better numbers..more accurate..everything Rogers does is better. Your saying he played bad..he had a 60% completion percentage..184 yds..no ints ..92 QB rating. AND THAT WAS A BAD GAME
If that was Russel last night..we probably would have won! Turnovers kill teams.
This is a terrible debate..Rogers vs Russel HA! iF WE wer only so lucky
September 15th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Noco shut up! I really don’t know why you come in here, get off the drink already…………I thought we played an really good game, russell did mis some recievers out there at times, but like one noted earlier the timing was off. For those who are soo quick to say russell sucks. S.D did a great job on the 2 rookies jamming them off the line, im sure you guys saw that, making it tough for them to get open. That’s why when we get Chaz back Russell will have another set of dependaable hands besides Miller, and Chaz is stronger than the other 2 we have, we may need to bring in walker to see what hue can bring, overall we did good, we kinda abandonded the run a bit so hopefully Bush and RunDMC get more carries
September 15th, 2009 at 9:44 am
when Russell got hurt my buddy sent me a text msg that said “good thing or bad thing?” LOL
I didn’t have an honest answer for him. just said i’m nervous either way. Gradkowski is a game manager. doesn’t have the huge arm, but he can hand the ball off and throw short accurate screen passes or dump offs.
we were pounding them into submission, then all of a sudden we start throwing and getting 3 & outs. why force it? why not stick with what works? who cares about a balanced attack? get the WIN!!!
McFadden & Bush both averaged over 4 yards per carry. how many run plays were stuffed behind the line? 1 or 2? 29 runs and 32 passes = balanced, but still ineffective overall. should have thrown Rankin in the mix if McFadden & Bush got tired and just hammered them with 35-50 runs. wears out the defense and takes time off the clock.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Einstein…I am not blaming DHB for the loss…it just pisses me off watching the #7 pick in the draft be a complete and utter non-factor in the game…it was like they were playing 11 on 10 football because they could just ignore hands of stone DHB all night…jezuz cripes, can someone please scout a WRs hands before we draft them in the top ten next time?!?!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:47 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:44 am
That’s why when we get Chaz back Russell will have another set of dependaable hands besides Miller, and Chaz is stronger than the other 2 we have,
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LMFAO. Yeah, when the 5 time pro bowler “Chaz” returns everything will be just fine. Are you F’n serious man? Tell me that comment was a joke please.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:48 am
The raiders played good defense,but you can not expect them to play man to man defense when they been on the field that long.They did not execute on offense like they did in the first half.They did not run the ball enough and should of threw more screen passes to bush and mcfadden.They cant stop the power run.We were punking their defensive line all over the field.We should of stayed with the power game because Jamarcus had accuracy problems.Raiders are Improving.Just need to call the right plays.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:48 am
texguy Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Things that lost us the game:
1. Murphy TD overturned.
2. 3rd qtr play calling – calling too many pass plays
3. 3rd quarter play execution – non-excuted plays = 3 and out, making the defense tired for the 4th qtr.
4.
Things the Raiders need to do before next game:
1. Give Seymour extension
2. Give JLH some advil.
3. Have Gradkowski give Jruss a passing clinic.
4. Ban the Prevent Defense
That being said, I was happy with the effort given by the players. Even the announcers were saying how the D dominated. (At least until the last 2 drives.)
The last couple of years, they would have given up by halftime.
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Td was overturned because IT WASN’T A TD..so it didn’t “cost you”.
Yes, too many pass plays, but you left out of your comments the #1 reason why the loss..which is the same reason why there were too many pass plays..THE GUY MAKING THE PASSES…RUSSELL.
had they been completed? Would be a “well called plays”..but anytime Russell throws, it’s a disaster in the making.
Instead of Grad giving a clinic? Shouldn’t that have been “Give Grad the start”?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Did we watch the same game man? You got a man crush on the Wallruss call JaMarcus? Or is it his white fur coat that turns you on?
Even the moron announcers could see that the offensive scheme was really basic. JaFat didn’t even have to read the whole field. He had ONE primary receiver and ONE check down on nearly every play. How easier could they have made it for him?
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Actually, my crush is on the Raiders.
I agree with what you are saying. The play calling was really bad, or really basic, as you say. AND NO ONE WAS OPEN. JLH and DHB running down the field side by side is really basic for JRuss, I mean JaFat, I mean JaWalruss, AND SAN DIEGO’s D! Let me say that again, AND SAN DIEGO’s D.
Even that TD pass was a SIMPLE deep post route that SHOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED.
On the same token, Norv’s play calling was just as bad, only we LET SPROLES GO UNCOVERED!
It’s not that hard people. I understand your dislike of certain draft picks. I did not want to draft Russell. I am on RECORD as wanting AP. But it is what it is. Garcia would have been worse, and Gradkowski ???
You’ve GOT to be kidding me!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am
I didn’t have an honest answer for him. just said i’m nervous either way. Gradkowski is a game manager. doesn’t have the huge arm, but he can hand the ball off and throw short accurate screen passes or dump offs.
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LOL!
So Russell can’t hand the ball off?
Can’t dump the ball down to the RBs?
I thought the issue was hitting the wide open WRs that were running free?
Will Gradkowski get the ball to DHB deep? Or short so he can drop it?
Will he throw a better ball to Murphy that won’t be dropped in the end zone?
Will Murphy run a complete route so Gradkowsli won’t get picked?
I know, I know … Russell sucks!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Overthrowing a receiver by 10 to 15 yards isn’t a timing issue. It’s an accuracy/skill issue.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
DHB, may I see your hands for one second?
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1979.206.1042.jpg
Thought so.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Chris in NY Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Gradkowski came in and threw two dumpoffs at the line of scrimmage and you guys are ready to annoint him.
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Exactly my point. Sometimes the Raider fans are just plain silly. Cable blew it. He knew Russell was struggling so you need to get the rock to McF on screen passes to get a rythm going.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
JaMarcus is a work in progress,the same as the WR’s,give him a chance.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Russell can’t throw screen passes or dumpoffs with any accuracy. thats why Cable takes them out of the playbook.
see that pass he threw to DMC? way too high and behind him. almost got picked after he failed to bring it in!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:39 am
RRS,
12/30 is horrendous!
30 pass attempts should produce at least 20 completions.
2 drops by DHB
1 by JLH
1 by Murphy
1 awful route by Murphy for a pick
2 drops by Dmac
Those are 7 completions that should have been made which include a TD toss.
I’m just saying that Garcia and Gradkowski would not have been better. Are you really telling me their “timing” with the WRs would be better?
Bottom line is we need to involve the RBs A LOT more in the passing game. Did a really good job of using the TE, but not the RBs.
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Quit backtracking.
Russell sucked.
Yeah, pretty much anyone would have done better.
Grad IMMEDIATELY looked sharper.
You’re as expected.
A spineless gumby..who makes excuse after excuse after excuse.
44 qb rating.
BTW..those calls from the announcers about how the reason JR’s interception’s aren’t up? WHERE THEY STATED IT’S BECAUSE HE MISSES SO BADLY NO ONE IS AROUND??
Anything click on that, Mouse?
Funny watching you on damage control, so desperate to try and save face, failing badly.
Oh yeah, tool, also stated that Bey AND Russell would suck.
Am I good…or what?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Absolutely, more screen passes to Bush and McFadden and we would have won the game…instead, we try to throw the ball down the field with a QB that is inaccurate and WRs that are green.
Yikes.
And then our D goes into wussy mode in the 4th quarter…different D-coordinator, same 4th quarter soft D like we were ahead by 21 points. Makes me sick.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Of course you’re not going to reply.
You’ve been schooled since day one.
Save the “not going to get banned” comments.
Wave that white flag, and accept what we both know.
You don’t have a clue.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:59 am
They played well for the most part but it was the same as last year.
In the end they layed down and let Chargers win.
Sucked.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:00 am
We Had the same problem for years.The defense will play a descent game but they are on the field to damn long.They get tired and cant hold and lose it in 4th .How many games have we lost that way now?
September 15th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Tom Cable is already the guy who takes blame for all Al Davis’ bad decisions. he can’t be the fall guy for Russell too!
Raider Nation is waiting for Russell to prove his worth as the #1 overall pick in the 2007 draft. 200 passing yards and 1 TD on MNF is not good enough. 0-4 against the Chargers is not good enough. He’s a leader. Time to play like one. quit making excuses
September 15th, 2009 at 10:02 am
No, you are not good.
And I’m not going to get banned responding to your “spineless gumby” and “mouse” silliness.
Who talks like that anyway?
“Am I good or what?”
Do you wake up and tell yourself that every morning in the mirrow?
I have an image of you being Benny the rumor monger. You know, that kid behind all the computers on the new PS3 for $299 commercial.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Richochet Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Instead of Grad giving a clinic? Shouldn’t that have been “Give Grad the start”?
- Nope. JRuss is the QB for the Raiders. Grad will not start unless JRuss gets injured.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Absolutely, more screen passes to Bush and McFadden and we would have won the game…instead, we try to throw the ball down the field with a QB that is inaccurate and WRs that are green.
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Exactly!
RRS, you didn’t really say that Cable took the screens out of the playbook for Russell, did you?
LMFAO!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am
mirror*
let me correct that before we get an entire post about it from that visitor guy.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Raider Nation is waiting for Russell to prove his worth as the #1 overall pick in the 2007 draft.
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See, that’s the problem! Your bar is too high. I know we shold’ve picked AP, but I’m past it. Some of you aren’t. Russell is NOT Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He is NOT going to the HOF or multiple pro bowls. But he can ABSOLUTELY be Kerry Collins or Trent Dilfer. You know, guys who went to the SB with teams that had good defense and a good running game?
Cable needs to stop with this passing game coordinator crap, and just KEEP IT SIMPLE …. ALL THE TIME.
Rivers dumping it off to Sproles for 10 of his completions IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
DAMN!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Throw to the open guy.
Dont throw to wr’s just because they haven’t caught any yet.
If they’re not open, throw to who is.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
As bad as Russell played at times. He won the game with that throw if we get the stop……….period
As I said by midseason everyone will know that Russell is going to be a dominant QB in this league. Chaz was a huge loss. As you can see when he is confident that the WR will make plays his accuracy improves. Do you ever see bad throws to ZMiller? No…
When he had Chaz in preseason against Dallas he looked better than I’d eveseen him. Why? confidence once he saw that Murphy would make a play and he could throw the ball in that window, you saw everything he threw to Murphy was with touch and accuracy. Thendzone catch was atrust throw tha Murphy would get to his spot. And he did, that allowed the 57 yarder to happen. He know that if he put it out there that Murphy would go get it.
Guy’s that throw was on 4th and 15 and he had other options but he chose Murphy basd on the endzone catch. Russell has yet to have the same starting WR’s for more than 4 weeks. That timing and confidence hasn’t happened yet. Any QB needs to know that if he throws the ball to a spot that the WR will get there and make that play for him.
On the first int. Murphy didn’t come back to the ball and the corner jumped the route, if Murphy comes back to the ball we probably score a TD. He’s dealing with very young players and he himself is very young.
That’s why I said before the season started that it would take until midseason to see any reall rythum in the passing.
We simply must rely on the runnin game until it does I know it’s very enticing to try to ge those big scores and they will come. But early we must win via the running. But when Caz cmes back he may change my thinking. Boy! was special in preseason?!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
It was aa heartbreaker, but I liked what I saw. Seymour is a frickin beast and made a HUGE difference.
I would love to see Khalif Barnes replace Cornel Green and Chaz come back. That could help big time.
BTW, WTH is DHB doin out there. The guy has two catches over 5 games. Whats the problem is his 4.3 speed not getting him any seperation??
September 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
78 yards rushing!
Seymour.Period.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am
2romes Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
The Raiders played a fantastic game.The Special team play of the Raiders kept the Chargers in the game, as well as, few other mishaps.No doubt the Raiders were more physical, had better team and need to start winning these types of hard fought games.
Seymour is a behemoth of a man and changes the complexion of this defense from inferior to superior.
Why in the world was Stanford in there at this crucial time of the game. He has done nothing this preseason to deserve to be on the field on crucial downs.He is forever to late on many plays. That has been his history lately.
Russell never looked comfortable in the pocket.He is inaccuate and will cost the Raiders many more games if he does not make a 180 degree turnaround in this aspect of his game.Winning big games as a Quarterback most often depends on a Quarterback with a consistant accurate arm. To date, Russell has not shown me to be this type of Quarterback. Maybe he can develope be a accurate quarterback sooner than later,but than remains to be seen.
What may help Russell throw a more accurate pass immediately is the removal of the right arm sleeve he wears.
The Raider game last night brought back some respect to Raiders and the fans.
Raiders Be with you.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Good Morning guys. I m still shocked from last night but after claming my nerve system, Here is my take on the game: great game overall, DHB needs to be benched, more screen plays, we have to go deep more often, our LB cost us the game along with stupid dumb Routt. Special teams got owned I would cut watkins replace him with Hank Basket good possession receiver n special team player. Watkins missed the tackle allowing huge returns for sproles. What’s funny is, if we had a good possession receiver like Basket JR would have still called bust by some ppl in here. Our TE is the best receiver how can a qb be good and complete more passes with that fact? Have u guys heard something called spreading the balls? How can u do that with DHB, Murphy, Higgins not getting open, I didn’t see any curl routes which is an essence in every play. DHB was losing from the start of his ran. Sign Hank Basket good hands n solid route runner n special team player.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: RUSSELL
Here’s proof positive on Russell not being able to handle being an NFL qb..he’s too SLOW mentally.
Was his knock in college (that and him being a lazy blob)
Year ONE?? Russell got to sit for a WHOLE SEASON..guy had a FULL YEAR..YOU KNOW..52 WEEKS..365 DAYS.. to learn the playbook.
Other rookies? Had a few months to learn it..Russell had a WHOLE YEAR..
yet..in year one of starting? They “dumbed it down”. Cable admitted he only gave Russell 40% of the plays last year. This year? another 40%.
What does that tell you?
And hearing announcers state “Keep it to one side of the field” because THE WHOLE FIELD CONFUSES HIM?
This is YEAR THREE..AND AFTER 100 PLUS WEEKS..Russell still is struggling with the play book?
Where it’s best if they narrow down the area he has to take into consideration?
That 5 cent head of his, and his zero touch on passes means you’ll be making the same excuses after losses until he finally comes up with another phantom injury, and hit’s the bench.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Richochet,
Who’s your team?
September 15th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Einstein cmon bro I think u need to change ur name because your statements are idiotic!!!! Obviously you were watching parts of the game, or better yet maybe you were listening to the game on the radio
September 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Jhill,
you are absolutely correct about Rivers and his dumpoffs. Cable needs to get the ball to McF and Bush to let them make things happen. Why on earth did he wait for Gradkowski to throw screens is beyond me. I hope he learned from this. If he wants to keep it simple, then let just do screens, runs and play action.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Richochet Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Of course you’re not going to reply.
You’ve been schooled since day one.
Save the “not going to get banned” comments.
Wave that white flag, and accept what we both know.
You don’t have a clue.
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I guess I can’t get banned for responging to your madness.
So you want to go toe to toe on insults or football?
I’ve been all over this board talking football and you haven’t said one thing relevant to the conversation. Let me RICKY SCRIPT IT FOR YOU.
JHill: JRuss is not Peyton Manning and shouldn’t be throwing timing routes.
Ricochet: Ehhh WTF are you talking about peanut, JRuss is the worst QB in the league.
JHill: Uhhh, Damn I wished we would’ve taken AP instead of Russell, but it is what it is.
Ricochet: Are u kidding me? What a spineless gumby, JRuss sucks.
JHill: Greenie was killing Murphy for running the wrong route and causing a pick.
Ricochet: Look here boy, JRuss sucks!
Ricochet: Damn I’m good!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:16 am
My highlight of the night was seeing the pocket collapsed regularly and the lack of running lanes.
Lowlight was definitely the passing game. Undoubtedly the glaring thing was Jamarcus’ inaccuracy but there were a few drops as well. I really thought the D let us down at the end too. They just had to do their job and we win. It felt very familiar, so I can’t say its Marshall’s fault.
Can’t wait to get Schilens back. Jamarcus needs to go to work and get his timing down.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Where the hell were all of the checkdowns and dumpoffs to Dmac and Bush?
September 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
We might have to play walker to see what he can give in the slot or maybe flanker position, DHB isn’t ready yet, im not saying bench DHB cause id rather him, be in there learning taking his rookie lumps but Russell needs another target he can rely on that will hold on to the ball other than Miller
September 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
priesttj Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
As bad as Russell played at times. He won the game with that throw if we get the stop……….period
Richochet: WRONG. If the Raiders would have won, it would have been IN SPITE OF RUSSELL’S HORRIBLE 44 QB RATING PLAY. Call it like it is, instead of making up your slew of excuses.
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As I said by midseason everyone will know that Russell is going to be a dominant QB in this league. Chaz was a huge loss. As you can see when he is confident that the WR will make plays his accuracy improves. Do you ever see bad throws to ZMiller? No…
Richochet: PAY ATTENTION. There is a reason his accuracy is better with Miller..because Miller ROLLS OUT AND IS ALMOST ALWAYS NOT COVERED. Russell has horrible touch. He can rifle it in STRAIGHT AT YOU..got that?
But leading a receiver? He can’t do it.
And what is it with your copouts? Have to wait until MIDSEASON?? What’s next? Wait until NEXT SEASON? Didn’t you state the exact same thing last year at this time? to wait until MID SEASON? IT’S A COPOUT.
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Guy’s that throw was on 4th and 15 and he had other options but he chose Murphy basd on the endzone catch. Russell has yet to have the same starting WR’s for more than 4 weeks. That timing and confidence hasn’t happened yet. Any QB needs to know that if he throws the ball to a spot that the WR will get there and make that play for him.
Richochet: Wrong. You go through your reads, and get the receivers the ball. He missed them badly..wasn’t even close on many throws. The 4th and 15? Was a coverage td that any qb in the league would have completed..ANY. You could have completed that. I can, even with a bad knee. That play was something that 9 out of 10 high school qb’s would complete 9 out of 10 times.
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On the first int. Murphy didn’t come back to the ball and the corner jumped the route, if Murphy comes back to the ball we probably score a TD. He’s dealing with very young players and he himself is very young.
Richochet: Excuses, excuses, excuses. Was a bad throw, and how can you say he “probably scores”?? Going back TOWARDS THE BALL, WITH COVERAGE BEHIND YOU? And if he caught it..he scores? lol..You’re confused, as usual.
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That’s why I said before the season started that it would take until midseason to see any reall rythum in the passing.
Richochet: Oh, I’m sorry..I thought THIS WAS YEAR THREE? See, that’s what you say in YEAR ONE..or..even year two for someone who missed all of year one because he held out.
What’s next? Middle of next year? lol…
excuses…excuses…
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We simply must rely on the runnin game until it does I know it’s very enticing to try to ge those big scores and they will come. But early we must win via the running. But when Caz cmes back he may change my thinking. Boy! was special in preseason?!
Richochet: Yeah, preseason. Where guys defending him didn’t even make the teams…yep..preseason. Where many/most starters are one series and done..if that. ..preseason where Detroit was 4-0 last year…
excuses..excuses. Nothing more than excuses.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
This is interesting, and I may have to check my numbers, but let’s say the NFL gave Russell and Murphy their first TD and we throw out the hail mary pick at the end of the game?
Russell QB rating: 92.59
September 15th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I love seeing fargas in a t-shirt that’s where he shines!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Sign Hank Basket cut Watkins
September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
GUYS, IN LIGHT OF THE FLOW OF THE CONVO ABOU JRUSS I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND GIVE HUGE PROPS TO MARIO HENDERSON HE KICKED ROID RAGES ARSE LAST NIGHT, FELLAS WE HAVE US A TRUE LT IM, WE ARE ALL PROUD OF THIS GUY GREAT JOB, AS FOR CORNBREAD MAN WE NEED BARNES PLEASE!!!!!!!!…HENDERSON WILL MAKE YOU DISAPPEAR!!!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Howdy!
ok, I am not a football technician so it is harder for me to break things down like some of you do so well but this is what I think
Russell’s play last night was adequate at best. Yes, he made a few good throws. Whether the bad ones were his fault or his receivers, I guess we will just have to wait and see but I am not ready to throw in the towel on him yet. They ran his stats at the begining of the game last night for the last 3 games last year. A 102 qb rating, over 60% completion % and 6 td’s to 1 int. Let’s get Chaz back and see what happens.
I couldn’t agree more about the 4th qtr prevent decision. I was screaming at the tv. What the heck!!!! This will lose us the game. and it did.
I thought our defensive line played great
I thought our secondary played great
I thought our special teams, mostly regarding coverage on returns, was weak and needs improvement but will give credit to Sproles, who is one of the best rturn guys in the game.
I thought our offensive line played pretty good for most of the game.
I loved the intensity on defense and the trade for Seymore was well worth it.
I couldn’t figure out why, when everyone says that McFadden is best in the open field, we didn’t try harder to get him the ball in the open field.
I really wanted a win but before the game said to myself that if it was close and I saw progress, that I would be happy.
I am happy
September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Oops, double checked
Russell QB rating with 13/29, 2TD and 1 INT: 80.09.
Got a little ahead of myself.
That’s the Silver & Black Lining, ladies & gentleman.
Of course, he was still bad and a capable QB wins that game.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Say what you want, but I still think if Fargas comes in for a few plays in the middle of the 3rd and 4th quarters, they eat up clock with his crash test dummy self getting 7 yards per carry. That was were he excelled back in the Lamont Jordan days.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Was his knock in college (that and him being a lazy blob)
Year ONE?? Russell got to sit for a WHOLE SEASON..guy had a FULL YEAR..YOU KNOW..52 WEEKS..365 DAYS.. to learn the playbook.
Other rookies? Had a few months to learn it..Russell had a WHOLE YEAR..
yet..in year one of starting? They “dumbed it down”. Cable admitted he only gave Russell 40% of the plays last year. This year? another 40%.
What does that tell you?
And hearing announcers state “Keep it to one side of the field” because THE WHOLE FIELD CONFUSES HIM?
This is YEAR THREE..AND AFTER 100 PLUS WEEKS..Russell still is struggling with the play book?
Where it’s best if they narrow down the area he has to take into consideration?
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See … NOTHING new!
Just regurgitated things WE ALREADY KNOW!
Not ONE person has said JRuss is headed to the pro bowl. Not ONE person has said, yeah, I can see why we drafted him number 1 overall!
Git tha fugg outta here!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:27 am
For all those who r calling for Growitzki or whateve his name is, remember that he was a bum in Tampa Bay, he was a bum in the preseason against Seattle and he is int prone u guys remind me of Philly fans benching Mcnabb n playing Kolb only to go back to him after realizing that he is a bum. I know JR is not as good as Mcnabb but he is better than our 2 and 3 qbs. That is why they r backups they probably would have choked in 4 n 15. JR without a possession reciever n poor 3rd quarter playing calling but this team in good position to win, we gave too much space for sproles n others in the middle of the field cause our LB were playing zone coverage instead of covering their grounds they were dropping deep. Coaches, defense, offense, special teams all made a mistake let’s prepare for next game n forget this game judge JR mid season not now. I believe Dmac n bush will each have 100 yards next game, da 3-4 chiefs can’t stop the run.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am
dont want R.BROWN playin MLB leave MORRISON
September 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
This is interesting, and I may have to check my numbers, but let’s say the NFL gave Russell and Murphy their first TD and we throw out the hail mary pick at the end of the game?
Russell QB rating: 92.59
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Nah, don’t even do that. Don’t take away the pick Greenie called Murphy out for. Don’t take away the hail marry. and don’t add that TD that Berman dubbed, the TD that wasn’t. What did he say? The Raiders, victims of the Tuck rule, not get hit with the UNTUCK rule.
That was hilarious.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
DHB is not ready. When Chaz comes back they need to sit the guy until next year.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Forcing the ball to the WRs is CABLE’s FAULT!
The game plan should have been to get the ball to the RBs and TE 80% of the time and let them run with the ball. It worked EVERY TIME!
Cable saw that the timing patterns were not working. Be it Russell, or the rookie WRs, or Al Davis, NONE OF IT MATTERS!
Cable had on the headset and was calling the plays. Call 2 dumpoffs when Gradkowski comes in the game? Why not do the same thing EXCLUSIVELY for Russell. Young said that time and time again. Keep it simple, let him get in a rhythm, and then take a shot down the field.
Cable blew it!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:32 am
hell of a game, should of won though, obviously the murphy overturn and the 2 jamarcus overthrows on 3rd downs hurt.but nonetheless we played well, with some sack.now we got to handle business and beat k.c.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Al Davis must own the Bengals, Bills, and Ravens if that’s true. They all went to the prevent in the 4th, also.
We get it MR, you don’t like Al. Move on.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am
NMF we maybe could’ve used Fargas yesterday, his intensity is contagious. I don’t think you guy’s value what that means to a young team. And I think it’s an oversight on your part
September 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
DHB = Mr Invisible…..Pay millions of dollars for a zero……
F HIM…
September 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am
We can talk about Russell’s poor play all we want, and he deserves the criticism, but the team itself played at a high level.
The play calling can and will improve. Russell may or may not come around, but in the meantime, Cable needs to call what works.
More Bush. More McFadden. More screen plays, dump-offs, more Miller. Russell needs to just have them keep playing tight and make them bight on PA or just beat everybody with his arm.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am
post #338, I totally agree. I put this loss squarely at Cable’s feet. He has the horses
September 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Ok …
I want to take my I TOLD YOU SO moment.
But let me make room for da homey RRS …
Ehhh emmm!
How bout that Michael Huff !!!!!!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Greatest fans in the world? We’ll support you as long as you’re wearing the silver and black? Yeh, right. We go to that same old prevent Al Davis has been choking games with for decades, and we blame the players for not executing. All the players have to do is read the blogs the day after games to see where they REALLY fall in the pecking order. Greatest fans of their team owner, and that’s about it.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Our offense did fine, J Hill. I was blown away by our offense. I took a credibility hit saying that Cable wouldn’t run the ball and would force deep balls. He did nothing of the sort. Cable is the f’n man. He’s everything Kiffin and Gruden are, ….so far. Hopefully he stays with it. We forced the ball to the WRs to be versatile. We were only able to hit Miller on those big plays because we were putting them to sleep with those underneath throws. We come out pounding the rock and get right on the scoreboard. That final big touchdown, which would have been the game winner if it wasn’t for Al Davis and his useless prevent defense, was possible because SD was expecting us to hit someone underneath and get the first down with YAC, like we’d been doing all game. THAT is how you call an offense. You get them to cheat up, then you kill them over the top. Our offense did great. Our defense did superb. That Cover 1 with the safety roaming in the deep middle is the perfect defense for us, considering the ability of Asomugha and Branch (is branch our other CB? If not, for give me) to keep up with receivers on the sideline the length of the field if necessary. It’s very similar to the Tampa 2 and it’s perfect for us. It shut Rivers down and confused him all night. Then, we go to that same old prevent that Al Davis has been using before any of these coaches were employees of the Raiders. You’re not going to convince me that Marshall would scrap a defense that had been shutting down their deep passing game all night for one that never works. You know who’s idea it was. I’m not saying he calls defenses from the booth but there is no way that it was any coach’s call. That I know.
Al Davis blew this one. We have a potential playoff team, and coaches that know how to win. But Al Davis is not going to let them do it. And I’m guessing that eventually Cable will cave in with the offense as well, and start abandoning the run and forcing those deep balls.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:42 am
HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN I’M WRONG.
Prior to the game I gave my predictions. Said Russell would be 9 of 20 (he was actually worse..12 of 30.. ouch)
Also stated to someone who predicted massive numbers for Bey, that I felt he would only have 3 catches on the night..while also stating he would have a couple of drops.
Well..he DID have the couple of drops…but…NO CATCHES ON THE NIGHT.
So, regarding the Crabtree/Bey watch?
So far Crabtree has gotten zero money, and done zero for the Niners.
So far Bey has 22 million guaranteed, and done zero for the Raiders.
Oh..but he DID show up today to pick up his first check.
Let’s see..signing bonus, pro-rated for these purposes, 22 million spread out, 38 million contract, of course heavily backloaded..
As we speak, he’s depositing $400,000..give or take a hundred grand…
Not bad for being picked at #7, and contributing zero.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
raidertay Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
DHB is not ready. When Chaz comes back they need to sit the guy until next year.
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In other words, your #7 draft pick is a bust??
Yeah..we know.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Sorry but the commentators did not say anything about the whole field confusing him are you kidding me? Steve young was saying to cut the field in half because that is what was working for us, not that russell was “confused” the only ones that were confused were the chargers because they didn’t know if we were gonna run or throw, especially when we have dmc line up as a reciever…. so stop being a jackass about Russell he will be fine, just not by your standards
September 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
MR, for all the beating you have been taking you manned up last night….
September 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am
BLW Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Chris in NY– Ok, that did happen. But how many times did drives end because he flat missed open recievers? I can think of 8 times off the top of my head. My only beef with J Russ is his accuracy. Like Steve Young said, you can’t be taught that. You either got it or you don’t. JaMarcus just isn’t ever going to be an accurate passer. I hope he succeeds, believe me I want it, but what I see is obvious.
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okay, your sentiment seems to be typical of the Russell bashers in here…
the statement seems to be: Russell is inaccurate.
so anyone… answer me this:
How is it Russell and Miller seem to hook up so well???
How is it Russell and Schillens seem to hook up so well???
Could it be that Miller and Schillens catch the ball???
and could it be that they run the correct routes and complete their routes???
could it be that Hayward-Bey and to a lesser extent Murphy do not complete their routes and do not look for the ball???
i’m thinking that if it were Schillens and Walker out there all night long, there might have been a completely different outcome…
clearly Murphy and H-Bey need more time to adjust to the NFL… playing both at the same time might not be a great situation… especially for Russell… who might be looking for a receiver that is on the same sheet of music that he is…
September 15th, 2009 at 10:50 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
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with all due respect Bor, Steve was saying we should cut the field and make it easy for him…
September 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am
jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Was his knock in college (that and him being a lazy blob)
Year ONE?? Russell got to sit for a WHOLE SEASON..guy had a FULL YEAR..YOU KNOW..52 WEEKS..365 DAYS.. to learn the playbook.
Other rookies? Had a few months to learn it..Russell had a WHOLE YEAR..
yet..in year one of starting? They “dumbed it down”. Cable admitted he only gave Russell 40% of the plays last year. This year? another 40%.
What does that tell you?
And hearing announcers state “Keep it to one side of the field” because THE WHOLE FIELD CONFUSES HIM?
This is YEAR THREE..AND AFTER 100 PLUS WEEKS..Russell still is struggling with the play book?
Where it’s best if they narrow down the area he has to take into consideration?
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See … NOTHING new!
Just regurgitated things WE ALREADY KNOW!
Not ONE person has said JRuss is headed to the pro bowl. Not ONE person has said, yeah, I can see why we drafted him number 1 overall!
Git tha fugg outta here!
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Sorry GUMBY..it was your spineless take that ‘I’M NOT PUTTING THIS ON JR..LET ME MAKE EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE TO OTHERS.”
And quit with the ‘I’m to slow to see what everyone is saying” bit..hell, everytime YOU’RE wrong, you EXTEND THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE PLAYER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
I do give credit to many here for stepping up and stating where they were wrong regarding a player, whether it be Russell, Bey, or even the coaches decisions..you?
You’re a backtracking, white flag waving spineless poster who admits you stay in the shadows until it’s safe.
And they you meekly peek out, hoping the coast is clear.
Now, quick..state ‘I don’t want to reply’..BECAUSE WAVING THAT FLAG IS SO MUCH SAFER..
Now shut up..lol..you’re just hurting yourself.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am
How about we take DHB money and give it to SEYMOUR….
September 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Florida Pete Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am
BLW Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Chris in NY– Ok, that did happen. But how many times did drives end because he flat missed open recievers? I can think of 8 times off the top of my head. My only beef with J Russ is his accuracy. Like Steve Young said, you can’t be taught that. You either got it or you don’t. JaMarcus just isn’t ever going to be an accurate passer. I hope he succeeds, believe me I want it, but what I see is obvious.
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okay, your sentiment seems to be typical of the Russell bashers in here…
the statement seems to be: Russell is inaccurate.
so anyone… answer me this:
How is it Russell and Miller seem to hook up so well???
How is it Russell and Schillens seem to hook up so well???
Could it be that Miller and Schillens catch the ball???
and could it be that they run the correct routes and complete their routes???
could it be that Hayward-Bey and to a lesser extent Murphy do not complete their routes and do not look for the ball???
i’m thinking that if it were Schillens and Walker out there all night long, there might have been a completely different outcome…
clearly Murphy and H-Bey need more time to adjust to the NFL… playing both at the same time might not be a great situation… especially for Russell… who might be looking for a receiver that is on the same sheet of music that he is…
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LMAO..give it up, dude.
Crossing pattern IS A CROSSING PATTERN..it’s not rocket science. You start wide left, cross across the field, qb throws ball.
EXCEPT HE THREW IT OVER HIS HEAD..again..and again.
Stop and go? Where the recievers is on a bee line to endzone? YOU LEAD THE RECEIVER..when you throw and it’s not even close to the receiver OR the defenders? Who’s that on? Oh..let me guess..the camera man? Yeah, that’s it, lol.
And “Oh gosh..how is it someone plays better in preseason?” Are YOU SERIOUS?
Preseason games don’t count. Pressure level is way down.
Preseason games you play against marginal players. Most WR’s get open against inferior Dbacks.
Ok, let me simplify it for you.
Practice round of golf. 4 foot putt.
Tournament, with big bucks at stake, with everyone watching. 4 foot putt.
Spectator: “gosh..he made those so easily when it didn’t count..wonder what happened?”
You get it now?
September 15th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I will give props to SD on those last two drives. I saw 4 unbelievable catches and impossible throws. If Rivers can’t make any one of those throws or the WR drops any one of those catches, the game is over.
The Raiders also got a few breaks yesterday on dropped INTs that would have ended the game.
The good news is the Raiders have proven they can learn from there mistakes and some of these first game problems should be fixed.
I think we will see more pressure and somebody shadowing the RB out of the backfield late in games.
I also think the rookie WRs are in for a lot of extra work this week catching passes and running crisp routes.
Something needs to be done about the RT.
Fargas and Chaz can only help.
Here’s hoping Chaz is active for the KC game.
This lose makes it tougher on the Raiders for the playoffs, but 2-1 after three games could still lead the division. SD has Balt and Mia next two games.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:53 am
The passes to miller were not all they great. He hits miller in stride he is is still running. Until otherwise noted JRUSS, and DHB are garbage….
September 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am
More running the ball and when our WR get healthy? Everyone better look out!!
September 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Thec, what was Russell supposed to do better last night? Should he have led Murphy a little more on that last TD pass? Was it a couple of centimeters underthrown?
September 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Exactly LA …
Exactly!
More Bush. More McFadden. More screen plays, dump-offs, more Miller. Russell needs to just have them keep playing tight and make them bight on PA
Shouldn’t be more than 1 or 2 deep shots per game. Deep should NOT be the #1 read.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The players played their asses off last night. Scheme lost this game, scheme that has been indicative of this franchise before our coaches were even born. This loss is all on Al Davis’s shoulders. You guys blaming the players are the reason why Seymour didn’t want to come here. Sapp warned him about this. The players always get blamed first for Al Davis’s mess.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Sorry GUMBY..it was your spineless take that ‘I’M NOT PUTTING THIS ON JR..LET ME MAKE EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE TO OTHERS.”
And quit with the ‘I’m to slow to see what everyone is saying” bit..hell, everytime YOU’RE wrong, you EXTEND THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE PLAYER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
I do give credit to many here for stepping up and stating where they were wrong regarding a player, whether it be Russell, Bey, or even the coaches decisions..you?
You’re a backtracking, white flag waving spineless poster who admits you stay in the shadows until it’s safe.
And they you meekly peek out, hoping the coast is clear.
Now, quick..state ‘I don’t want to reply’..BECAUSE WAVING THAT FLAG IS SO MUCH SAFER..
Now shut up..lol..you’re just hurting yourself.
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Well at least you didn’t deny that you have no takes!
And again with the tainted facts. I NEVER said JRuss was a good player. Show me ONE TIME I said that.
Excuses?
Did Murphy drop the ball in the end zone?
Did Murphy run a bad route on that pick?
Did Russell throw a go ahead TD on 4&15 with 2 minutes to go?
Are you dumb? (thought I’d slip that one in there)
Did the defense give up a game winning drive?
See, you’re just a sad little cat begging for attention.
Raider fans, with Raider takes, on a Raider board.
49r fan, on a Raider board, EVERY DAY ?????
You, sir, are in a class all by yourself. I have to give you that.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Guys, do we blame these coaches and these players for all of the games we’ve lost by the prevent defense in the past 20 years, or just last night’s?
September 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The players played their asses off last night. Scheme lost this game, scheme that has been indicative of this franchise before our coaches were even born. This loss is all on Al Davis’s shoulders. You guys blaming the players are the reason why Seymour didn’t want to come here. Sapp warned him about this. The players always get blamed first for Al Davis’s mess.
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MR, not sure where your going but if MR. Davis is running the prevent at the end of games he needs to fire himself…
September 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
The Oakland Raiders are 1-0.
Al Davis is 0-1.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Sorry but the commentators did not say anything about the whole field confusing him are you kidding me? Steve young was saying to cut the field in half because that is what was working for us, not that russell was “confused” the only ones that were confused were the chargers because they didn’t know if we were gonna run or throw, especially when we have dmc line up as a reciever…. so stop being a jackass about Russell he will be fine, just not by your standards
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What??
Listen to it again.
They even showed him attempting to go through his reads, getting confused, and making a bad throw. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY SAID THAT?
He then followed it up with saying “last year Cable stated he only gave JR 40% of the plays. This year he added another 40% of the plays” why DID HE STATE THAT??
Because the comment was JR was having trouble going through his reads..NO OTHER REASON IS POSSIBLE FOR STATING THAT.. it sure as hell wasn’t because “that’s what was working”
When have you EVER heard an announcer state they should just call plays so the qb ONLY has to be concerned with one part of the field? WHILE discussing him only being given a portion of the plays? WHEN HE’S IN YEAR 3??
Never…ever.
One of Russell’s knocks in college (besides not being dedicated, being out of shape..which is why HE GOT BENCHED IN COLLEGE) was that he wasn’t the sharpest tack in the box.
Here’s bad news for ya.
Last year? Russell was the absolute WORST STARTING QB IN THE LEAGUE.
Game one this year? 44 rating, with many stating he’s the problem.
You? Keep the blinders on, and pretend all is well, lol.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am
How is it Russell and Miller seem to hook up so well???
How is it Russell and Schillens seem to hook up so well???
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Why is it that 49r guy can’t answer the simplest of questions?
September 15th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Bey has 22 million guaranteed….At this rate we should get rid of all our 1st rd picks. Heyy can we trade our next years firat for a killer LBer….
Mitchell was worth tonite, he was hitting hard
Cue shaggy…. DHB Where are you???????
September 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Bottom Line: I saw tons of progress last night, but sadly, I think San Diego is extremely over-rated, they are old, beat-up, watered-down and coached by Norvall Turner. We should have beat this team at home! But it was much better than the beatdown we suffered at the hands of a very weak Denver team in last years MNF opener.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am
jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Why is it that 49r guy can’t answer the simplest of questions?
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Whos 49r guy???????
September 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Richochet– Point well made.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:06 am
A few positive notes:
- Run defense was pretty good. Seymour is considered by many to be the best DL in the league, so just him should make us much better and the rest of the DL look better. He was double cover all the time, that should give Kelly and Ellis time to get to the QB. Ellis is a better run stopper that Burgess ever was.
- Louis Murphy is a great pick for us: he lead the league rookies in receiving yards and receptions, and that without the first TD catch he had, nullified by the referees (I still don’t understand why). That cath would have gave him over 100 yards. I still don’t know about DHB, he had 2 drops but he was open on some plays and JaMarcus could put the ball in his hands.
- Tyvon Branch is going to be the real deal for us. I like what I see from him, great speed for the safety position but he is a great tackler and a hard hitter too. Hope Mitchell can reach this level soon, at least for next season. I like Eugene too but we need Mitchell on the field.
- Nice to see Chris Johnson play that well. We are thin at CB, so we need him to keep his last season level.
- Ground game: McFadden had his longest run at 11 yards, he had about 70 yards. Bush had about 60 yards and a TD. Not the best ever game running the football but San Diego has a very good run defense, so if we play like this other games we should be a very powerfull running team. I like to see both McFadden and Bush splitting carries, they combined for about 30 carries. I think it’s time to see what they can do and let the bench for Fargas.
- OL: We need Khalif Barnes to get healthy and replace Green at RT. I mean, Green sucks, he had 3 penalties, with 2 coming on the drive we HAD to score in the 4th quarter. If not Barnes, Pears or an street FA, he can’t be worse than him. Except for him I liked what I see from the line, maybe we have found our future LT in Mario Henderson, he had a good game.
- Zach Miller is awesome. I wouldn’t change him for any other TE in the league right now.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:06 am
You know, in hindsight, maybe we should listen to 49r guy and just go with …. Well he hasn’t really suggested an altenative.
But he does have a pretty good eye for QB busts fresh off his own #1 pick debacle of Alex Smith.
Bruce Gradkowski is probably the equivalent of Shuan Hill. He could probably stink his way to 20 pts with the running game we have.
Just one question though …
What do we do about the DEFENSE NOT COVERING ANYONE?!?!?!
September 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am
angelodebo Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Jhill
Please do not compare Russel to A.Rogers. Rogers was a rookie starting QB last year too. Look at the numbers numbskull:
Aaron Rodgers, QB GNB 63.6% 4038 yds 28tds 13ints 93.8 QB Rating
JaMarcus Russell, QB OAK 53.8% 2423yds 13tds 8ints 77.1 Qb RAting.
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Aaron Rogers is in his 5th year in the league. Jamarcus is in his 3rd year. Rogers best target is Donald Drive who has 11 years in the league, has practiced and played with Rogers his whole career and has AT LEAST 70+ receptions PER YEAR, the last five years. Me, OAKGLENN, has as many NFL starts as our two WR’s yesterday! Thinks that makes any difference??
September 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Thec07 Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am
F DHB = MR Invisible
F JRUSS = The black ryan leaf
F the DCO = running The prevent
F the prevent
F the chargers = Wont win more than 7 too soft
F the refs = They have no clue
F not attacking rivers = See above DCO running the prevent.
Thec07 Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Lost the game balls go to:
1. DHB, The invisible man
2. DCO John Marshall and his prevent
3. JRUSS, the black ryan leaf
4. Green cut his dumb A@@ now…
Game Balls
1. SEYMOUR
2. ELLIS
3. Branch
4. Murphy
5. Johnson
6. Mitchell
7. Henderson
8. Gallery
9. DMAC
10. MBUSH
11. fargas for not playing
12. Howard
September 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am
49r guy is Ricochet, of course!
I don’t know why you guys keep asking him. He’s covered it a million times already.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Oakglenn! Good to see you.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
The Oakland Raiders are 1-0.
Al Davis is 0-1.
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This might be the single dumbest post of all time. I didn’t read your posts MR, but I am getting the gist that you think Al Davis was calling the prevent down from his box last nite. Unbeleivable. You do believe in fairies and leprechauns right?
September 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
angelodebo Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Jhill
Please do not compare Russel to A.Rogers. Rogers was a rookie starting QB last year too. Look at the numbers numbskull:
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I missed this genius earlier … LOL!
When did I compare Rogers to Russell short bus guy?
I compared the ONE GAME against another. Did you watch the Sunday night game? Did you hear Aaron Rogers say HIMSELF that he stunk it up and got lucky on that last throw to Jennings?
I said what is the difference between the SCENARIO of Russell stinking it up and thorwing a winning TD pass and Rogers scenario …
And wasn’t the answer the DEFENSE STOPPING THE OTHER TEAM?!?!?!?
What is wrong with you?!?!
September 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
MR likes to try and blame the old man for losses, mayeb that makes it easier for him to take,..but Al had nothing to do with loss,..outside of drafting Russell,…who clearly isnt an NFL qb.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
The prevent defense never works, never.
The short yardage offense is stupid as hell. If you spread the field, it is easier to run up the middle. If you bunch everyone together in the middle, it is harder to run up the middle. Football coaches are incredibly stupid.
Never blitzing is stupid as well. The Raiders lose because they never blitz.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Exactly LA …
Exactly!
More Bush. More McFadden. More screen plays, dump-offs, more Miller. Russell needs to just have them keep playing tight and make them bight on PA
Shouldn’t be more than 1 or 2 deep shots per game. Deep should NOT be the #1 read.
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In other words, the words you’re having trouble with, is MORE OF EVERYTHING ELSE, LESS RUSSELL??
Just say it. Quit with the excuses. More RB’s?? 32 running plays, 32 passes in game. Balanced attack, yet you’re saying ‘NO, less passes..more rb’s?? LOL..YEAH..BECAUSE WHEN RUSSELL PUTS THE BALL IN THE AIR, IT’S DANGEROUS.
More screens? More dumpoffs? More Miller? IN OTHER WORDS, DUMB IT DOWN..keep it little flicks from Russell..don’t..you know..EVEN CONSIDER THROWING TO A WR??
Yeah, LMFAO that your list of solutions is to hope a PA pass will somehow work, while avoiding WR’s at all costs, except for a hope and a prayer?
Slap a DUH on your forehead, dude..you’re done.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I heard Al Davis called Buffalo, Cincinati and Baltimore, also, and talked them into using worthless prevent defense.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
A few positive notes:
- Run defense was pretty good. Seymour is considered by many to be the best DL in the league, so just him should make us much better and the rest of the DL look better. He was double cover all the time, that should give Kelly and Ellis time to get to the QB. Ellis is a better run stopper that Burgess ever was.
- Louis Murphy is a great pick for us: he lead the league rookies in receiving yards and receptions, and that without the first TD catch he had, nullified by the referees (I still don’t understand why). That cath would have gave him over 100 yards. I still don’t know about DHB, he had 2 drops but he was open on some plays and JaMarcus could put the ball in his hands.
- Tyvon Branch is going to be the real deal for us. I like what I see from him, great speed for the safety position but he is a great tackler and a hard hitter too. Hope Mitchell can reach this level soon, at least for next season. I like Eugene too but we need Mitchell on the field.
- Nice to see Chris Johnson play that well. We are thin at CB, so we need him to keep his last season level.
- Ground game: McFadden had his longest run at 11 yards, he had about 70 yards. Bush had about 60 yards and a TD. Not the best ever game running the football but San Diego has a very good run defense, so if we play like this other games we should be a very powerfull running team. I like to see both McFadden and Bush splitting carries, they combined for about 30 carries. I think it’s time to see what they can do and let the bench for Fargas.
- OL: We need Khalif Barnes to get healthy and replace Green at RT. I mean, Green sucks, he had 3 penalties, with 2 coming on the drive we HAD to score in the 4th quarter. If not Barnes, Pears or an street FA, he can’t be worse than him. Except for him I liked what I see from the line, maybe we have found our future LT in Mario Henderson, he had a good game.
- Zach Miller is awesome. I wouldn’t change him for any other TE in the league right now.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
why we lost to the chargers, let me list the ways:
1) PREVENT D
2) NOT BLITZING
3) ABANDONING THE RUN
Unfortunately this has to be put on the coaches from cable on down! sht!! we should of won this game
September 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am
How is it Russell and Miller seem to hook up so well???
How is it Russell and Schillens seem to hook up so well???
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Why is it that 49r guy can’t answer the simplest of questions?
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jhill, could it be something that Terrapin brought up last nite?? Timing?? Naaaaaa. I mean, anyone can come in and get paid TENS of Millions of dollars being an NFL Q or a NFL receiver. ANYONE CAN DO IT!! With the new modern timing offenses, shoot, one or two practices and ANYONE can become an ALL PRO Q or Wide Out and cash checks for TENS OF MILLIONS!!! As soon as the prison population realizes ANYONE can do it, you will see literally thousands of inmates coming out saying, why should I sit in prison for four years on a strong arm robbery weapons charge when I can just go out, practice a few times, and become an NFL Q or WR and make bank!
September 15th, 2009 at 11:17 am
“The players played their asses off last night. Scheme lost this game, scheme that has been indicative of this franchise before our coaches were even born. This loss is all on Al Davis’s shoulders. You guys blaming the players are the reason why Seymour didn’t want to come here. Sapp warned him about this. The players always get blamed first for Al Davis’s mess.”
This is so true.
The lack of pressure defense and the lack of creativity on offense is what is killing this franchise. You have to blitz, and you have to run misdirection on offense. If you don’t, you lose.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Here’s an idea Oak …
Why don’t just use DMac at QB and go exclusively Wildcat?
Or, I know, I know …
Why don’t we just get Belechik back on the phone and see if he’ll give us Brady for next year’s #1?
How about we cut Russell, and bring in Ricochet’s daughter to be the QB? Hell, he claims she can make the throws Russell isn’t making, LOL!
Norco wants Gradkowski so we can SURELY have the 1st pick for Tebow. Thing is Norco, we can get Tebow next year in the 3rd round.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:18 am
angelodebo Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Oakglenn..
You think JRuss looks anything like Flacco/Ryan/Manning/Stafford when he is sitting in the pocket doing his checkdowns?
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I don’t know, that last throw to put us up with 2:40 to go in the game looked pretty damn good to me. Who else makes that throw?? Elway. That’s about it.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Unless the team makes a qb change, today, they will lose again in KC,..simple as that…Russell is the one player that will keep this team from winning…hes outta here after this season anyway, might as well win some games with Gradkowski.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:19 am
jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am
49r guy is Ricochet, of course!
I don’t know why you guys keep asking him. He’s covered it a million times already.
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Only reason I ask is I am not so sure 49r guy is a guy……..
September 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am
What happen to the blowout???
September 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Well I guess I interpreted what was being said by bad, and apologies, but I still there is so much more this guy can bring, and we can’t say he isn’t making progress, and plus its only one game with 2 rookie recievers, so lets see what he got the rest of the way
September 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Al Davis doesn’t have to call defenses from the booth. All he has to do is tell Marshall that he wants the prevent used in late game, sure passing situations. He can tell him this during the week. Bottom line is, whoever is responsible for switching from the scheme we’d been using all night, that worked, to a prevent, needs to be fired. If it’s Marshall, then he needs to be fired. Al Davis needs to find a defensive coordinator that will not keep doing this. How much do you guys want to bet that the Raiders have blown more 4th quarter leads in the past 15 years or so than any team in the league? Going to blame Marshall for all of them? There’s only one constant. Even if it was Marshall, Al is the one who keeps hiring these coordinators who switch the prevent and kill us with it, assuming it is the DCs making the call and not Al. Oakglenn, Norco, how hard is it for Al Davis to just ask prospective DCs that he’s interviewing rather or not they’re going to be stubborn prevent users? No matter how you cut it, it’s Al Davis’s fault. You guys are in denial.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
John Madden, “If three guys in the bar think it’s a catch, it’s a catch.”
September 15th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Norco, what could Russell have done better? I can’t believe this. You guys are going to throw Russell under the bus when he has the game of his f’n life, just to protect Al Davis, who obviously blew this game with his usual prevent defense, the same one he’s been using to blow big games for the past 20 years.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Offense Grades:
Russell: C (inconsistent, gutsy plays, but no rythm)
McFadden: B (Looked mostly great, no home runs though)
Bush: B+ (Built on his fine performance from Tampa Bay)
Henderson: A (stellar game)
Gallery: A (over-powering as always)
Morris: C+ (got over-powered in pass-protection)
Carlisle: B+ (didn’t hear his name)
Green: C- (weak link on the line)
Miller: A (the Truth was his usual self)
Oneal: B (great lead-blocking in the first half)
Murphy: B+ (great for a rookie’s first game)
DHB: D (still better than Crabtree)
JLH: C (didnt get thrown to much)
September 15th, 2009 at 11:26 am
We should here of a fire in oakland, all the players get togather rip the prevent section out of the playbook and start a bonfire…
This has got to stop, not sure who ordained it but it is ridiculous…
No way SD should have beat us. Inj football the mos VIOLENT team wins…
Only in oakland…
September 15th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Oakglenn Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# jhill Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am
How is it Russell and Miller seem to hook up so well???
How is it Russell and Schillens seem to hook up so well???
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Why is it that 49r guy can’t answer the simplest of questions?
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Already answered it. Guess reading is over-rated for some.
First off..didn’t say I was a 49er guy..you assume that.
Be that as it may..back to your silly question.
Schilens-Did well in preseason. Got open against dbacks who didn’t even make the teams. Whoop deee dooo.
Miller? They’re DUMPOFF THROWS..most of the time he’s WIDE OPEN BECAUSE THE MIDDLE HAS BEEN CLEARED OUT.
Now, I KNOW you need this explained..so..pay attention.
See..when you’re throwing the ball to someone WIDE OPEN? When NO ONE is around them? And it’s short?
Much different than throwing it in traffic..where the ball has to have “touch”..where you have to lead the receiver.
Russell has the “touch” of a rhinocerous.
Missed receivers BADLY all night long.
Now..get your little crayon out, and write this down.
THERE IS A REASON THE ANNOUNCERS STATED THAT AN NFL QB NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE THROWS.
Oh..I’m sorry..did that confuse you? Read it again. Now..uh..why, exactly did they say that? What were they saying?
HINT: go to ANY RAIDER BOARD AND COUNT HOW MANY THREADS THERE ARE, SAYING RUSSELL NEEDS TO GO for help in figuring out the answer.
I know..why don’t Oakglenn and Jhill pool your thoughts, and see if you can come up with something/anything that makes sense.
Give it a shot, ladies.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Thec07 Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:53 am
The passes to miller were not all they great. He hits miller in stride he is is still running. Until otherwise noted JRUSS, and DHB are garbage….
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No way dude. Miller isn’t running those patterns to be hit in stride. He’s finding an open spot in the coverage and sitting in that spot. Russell’s passes to Miller were perfect.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:27 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
The Oakland Raiders are 1-0.
Al Davis is 0-1.
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Dude, you truly have no clue.
What exactly is this supposed to mean?
We’re 0-1 because of Al Davis? How exactly do you think the play in the trenches would have played out had Al Davis not traded for Seymour this past week?
Are you so dense that you couldn’t see that that one single move completely changed the complexion of our defense?
And what – Al suddenly called down to the field to play a vanilla defense?
What planet are you from?
September 15th, 2009 at 11:27 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Al Davis doesn’t have to call defenses from the booth. All he has to do is tell Marshall that he wants the prevent used in late game, sure passing situations. He can tell him this during the week.
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Right I forgot. Leprechauns are extinct. They all died in the great potato famine Right MR? And where is that other complete imbecile missed-a-brain?? Probably Carving Sanchez bust for Canton after one start.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:28 am
DHB: F (still better than Crabtree)
DHB, did he play last night? Was he on the field?
DHB=Crabtree both had zero catches week 1…..
September 15th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Richochet Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Miller? They’re DUMPOFF THROWS..most of the time he’s WIDE OPEN BECAUSE THE MIDDLE HAS BEEN CLEARED OUT.
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Balls 30 yards down the seam are not dumpoff throws. And yes he is open because the middle has been cleared out because of the speed at wideout taking the deep defenders on go. But you knew that right?
September 15th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Man, I just watched the game again and we were hitting like the Raiders of old.
Cable and the coaches have this defensive team playing solid fundemental football.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Richochet Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am
LMAO..give it up, dude.
Crossing pattern IS A CROSSING PATTERN..it’s not rocket science. You start wide left, cross across the field, qb throws ball.
EXCEPT HE THREW IT OVER HIS HEAD..again..and again.
Stop and go? Where the recievers is on a bee line to endzone? YOU LEAD THE RECEIVER..when you throw and it’s not even close to the receiver OR the defenders? Who’s that on? Oh..let me guess..the camera man? Yeah, that’s it, lol.
And “Oh gosh..how is it someone plays better in preseason?” Are YOU SERIOUS?
Preseason games don’t count. Pressure level is way down.
Preseason games you play against marginal players. Most WR’s get open against inferior Dbacks.
Ok, let me simplify it for you.
Practice round of golf. 4 foot putt.
Tournament, with big bucks at stake, with everyone watching. 4 foot putt.
Spectator: “gosh..he made those so easily when it didn’t count..wonder what happened?”
You get it now?
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actually… no…
let me start at the beginning…
you say: “a crossing pattern is a CROSSING pattern..”
um… okay, but how come only two dots after the second pattern… i always use three… like this: …
you say: “it’s not rocket science.”
now you’re being silly, i know it’s not rocket science and the reason i know this is because Rocket Ismail retired years ago…
you say: “You start wide left, cross across the field, qb throws ball.”
now you’ve lost me… are you saying the reciever is starting from the left side??? or is he starting on the right side and crossing to the left… but what if he’s left handed???
you say: “EXCEPT HE THREW IT OVER HIS HEAD..again..and again.”
now you can’t possibly be proposing that Russell sidearms everything… i mean they usually break pitchers and quarterbacks of that in high school…
You say: “Stop and go? Where the recievers is on a bee line to endzone? YOU LEAD THE RECEIVER..”
you do know these guys are playing football… Russell might be a big guy… but i don’t think these receivers are going to want to dance with Russell… and they sure as hell are not going to let him lead…
you say: “when you throw and it’s not even close to the receiver OR the defenders? Who’s that on? Oh..let me guess..the camera man? Yeah, that’s it, lol.”
so you’re saying if he can’t find his own receiver, he should throw it to the defender??? what kind of idiot statement is that??? and why you would want to blame the camera man is beyond me… he’s not even on the field…
you say: “And “Oh gosh..how is it someone plays better in preseason?” Are YOU SERIOUS?”
i can’t find where i said that… you’re gonna have to help me with that…
you say: “Preseason games don’t count. Pressure level is way down. Preseason games you play against marginal players. Most WR’s get open against inferior Dbacks.”
why you would make racist statements on this blog is very surprising to me…
you say: “Ok, let me simplify it for you. Practice round of golf. 4 foot putt. Tournament, with big bucks at stake, with everyone watching. 4 foot putt.”
okay… 2 four foot putts… are they putting a football??? because i don’t think they roll well and certainly wouldn’t fit into the hole… here’s another one you’re going to have to help me with…
you say: “Spectator: “gosh..he made those so easily when it didn’t count..wonder what happened?” ”
he made a putt easily with a football??? i’m not buying it… you’re going to have to come up with some pictures…
you say: “You get it now?”
no i don’t… you’re going to have to explain it to me…
September 15th, 2009 at 11:38 am
yeah,yeah, yeah j-russ bashing is easy, but he is our QB and that is not going to change! He did play bad, but you also have to realize that he is passing to two rookie WR, so it could of been that they did not run the most percise routes, which I believe was the case on the 1st INT, but I am not making excuses he could of played better and I believe he and the wide outs will get a better rythm as the seson continues!
September 15th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Heres why we lost, we didn’t cover darren sproles, he ran like a mad man free, perhaps they couldn’t see him, yeah right, on those last two drives, they kept doing the same thing, with sproles, should have went to spy mike linebacker on sproles, we win the game.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:52 am
The sad part is, and the one thing I take away most from this loss is the even when the Raiders win…they lose.
Remember when the Raiders lost close games to Denver and Buffalo under Kiffin? It was then everybody was saying how ‘close’ Raiders are. This is the EXACT SAME THING.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY WIN! CLOSE DOESN’T COUNT. IF IT DID WE WOULD BE ‘THERE” BY NOW!
How is this season any different? We still lose and lose and lose and lose yet keep getting closer….I’m sick of it. I’m sick of wasting my time on this %&*$
THEY WILL NEVER GET THERE. After last night i’m convinced. I’m so freakin frustrated and disappointed in the way the D folded like loseres last night. It hapens ALL THE TIME AND NEVER EVER ENDS. Just when u think they might actually win a game against SD they always find some way improbable way to choke. I have no faith in this loser franchise and the only reason I still care at all is becuz I’m mentally stuck with being a fan.
I hate this team for what it does to me. Build up hopes EVERY FREAKIN TIME and then just choke it away in the end.
I know, “go away you fairweather fan” etc. etc. I will always (unfortuneately) be rooting for the Raiders, but I can f’ing stand them. Does that make any sense.
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS CHOKE AT THE END???????????
I’ve been around long enuff to know THAT IT WILL NEVER END.
The next time Oakland actually stops a team when it counts will be the first freakin’ time.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:54 am
This is the most encouraging thing I have seen…
“We had them and they drove it right down on us,” Seymour said. “As a defense, we can’t win games like that, but I’m encouraged by what I see.”
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Seymour is not staying silent. He is speaking. If he is speaking in the press, then he is doing it in the lockeroom.
He knows what it takes to win. He will not allow this defense to continue to play soft. He will call them out for it.
166 yards allowed in the final 2 drives of a game, when it is obvious to anyone watching that they changed schemes, brings the blame squarely on the Coaching Staff (Al Davis).
This is the most discouraging thing I have seen…
“For the majority of the game we were just playing tight out there. During a situation like that you don’t want to play tight on them because that’s when they’re going to do those crossing routes on you and pick you,” Asomugha said. “So we tried to go into more of a zone effect and see if that would work.
“I think that’s what any team would do in that situation. For it not to work out, you obviously can’t beat yourself over the head. If we did it again, we’d probably be doing calls similar to what we did in that last two minutes.”
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The excuses continue from the “Pro-Bowl” Corner.
The defense was playing tight, jamming the WRs, and not giving Rivers enough time to allow plays to develop down the field, but suddenly, they were going to start picking you so you went to a zone effect?
Not only is his explanation as bizarre as their play in the final 2 drives, it appears that nothing was learned from their mistakes.
Apparently, they will do the same thing next time if put in a similar situation.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# The Judge Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
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I really wanted a win but before the game said to myself that if it was close and I saw progress, that I would be happy.
I am happy
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Ditto. I’m real proud of the Raiders team, players and coach. They are not the same team that we saw in the last 4 years. I like the fact that Coach Cable said that players were hurt in the gut in the locker room after the game. That showed hearts. I’m really happy despite the loss. More good things to come this year.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
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September 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
dfnse play calling the last 2 series was too soft we didnt run the ball enough in the second half yea they stuffed us at the beginning of the 2nd half but ya got to stay with the run it who we r plain and simple
September 15th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
So it’s 2:24 left in the 4th quarter and you’re losing 17-13 and it’s 4th and 15.
And Cable makes one hell of a gutsy call!
And Russell and Murphy pull it off!
TOUCHDOWN RAIDERS!!!
Holy Toledo! A 57 yard pass with 2.24 left in the 4th! Snake would’ve loved that!
This team is moving again. Stop urinating on yourselves! Enjoy it!
September 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Week 1 – Raiders vs. Chargers L
Week 2 – Raiders @ Chiefs W
Week 3 – Raiders vs. Broncos W
Week 4 – Raiders @ Texans W
Week 5 – Raiders @ Giants L
Week 6 – Raiders vs. Eagles L
Week 7 – Raiders vs. Jets L
Week 8 – Raiders @ Chargers L
Week 9 – BYE
Week 10 – Raiders vs. Chiefs W
Week 11 – Raiders vs. Bengals W
Week 12 – Raiders @ Cowboys L
Week 13 – Raiders @ Steelers L
Week 14 – Raiders vs. Redskins L
Week 15 – Raiders @ Broncos L
Week 16 – Raiders @ Browns W
Week 17 – Raiders vs. Ravens L
Just based on what I saw through the first week of the season…6-10
September 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Jerry:
I kind of think your recent reforms went to far.
You didn’t as much reform the blog as strangle it.
Don’t like it.
September 15th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Dakota:
I’m looking at that list and seeing 8 reasonably good wins.
In any event, we’re rebuilding the team.
We’re not going to the superbowl but we’re looking better than we have in six years.
September 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Silver’n'Black209
Sproules “ran like a madman”?!!!
Yeah he ran well on the run backs but the whole Dischargers team was held to 77 yards!!!
Does that sound like Sproules ran like a madman?!
September 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Most of the comments on here are soooooo negative. R u guys even Raider Fans? We are moving into the right direction..we just gotta continue to fight..get over it..NEXT PLAY.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Some of you are idiots.How are you going to talk crap on DHB.Its only his first real game in the NFL.Hes probably nervous as hell.he will catch on.You guys are to quick to judge people.Jamarcus is doing alright considering Changing coaches and having crapy wide receivers and offensive line.We don’t lose cause of him its play calling.We don,t stick with what works just like last nights game.Shouldnt say crap about Fargas.At least he gives it his all.He might not be our best back but hes still good.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Dakota Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Week 1 – Raiders vs. Chargers L
Week 2 – Raiders @ Chiefs W
Week 3 – Raiders vs. Broncos W
Week 4 – Raiders @ Texans W
Week 5 – Raiders @ Giants L
Week 6 – Raiders vs. Eagles L
Week 7 – Raiders vs. Jets L
Week 8 – Raiders @ Chargers L
Week 9 – BYE
Week 10 – Raiders vs. Chiefs W
Week 11 – Raiders vs. Bengals W
Week 12 – Raiders @ Cowboys L
Week 13 – Raiders @ Steelers L
Week 14 – Raiders vs. Redskins L
Week 15 – Raiders @ Broncos L
Week 16 – Raiders @ Browns W
Week 17 – Raiders vs. Ravens L
Just based on what I saw through the first week of the season…6-10
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we really didnt lose to the chargers if that whole tuck rule bs didnt happen we would have won and we will win both the broncos and cheifs games and beat the chargers this time…i think we have a victory over the cowboys 2 and if we shut down sanchez then we could be looking at a 10-6 season possibly
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