Raiders can send Broncos reeling
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, September 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
We interrupt the latest sideshow and return to regularly scheduled programming, finding the Raiders with a chance to send their division rivals into a tailspin.
Check out the Broncos schedule after they play the Raiders Sunday. Dallas, New England, at San Diego, at Baltimore, Pittsburgh, at Washington, San Diego and the New York Giants in a row before they visit the Chiefs.
Hard to see Denver winning more than two of those games unless Josh McDaniels is really on to something after a tumultuous offseason.
The Raiders will have none of that in mind as they face the Broncos. It’s how Tom Cable has approached things since taking over in the worst circumstances possible last season and why Gannon-gate amounts to nothing when it comes to what happens at the Coliseum.
“Don’t worry so much about the opponent, who they are and how they do things,” Cable said. “Let the emotion of the rivarly with the Denver Broncos handle that for you, but the focus as a football player, as a football team, is on us. Better execution. Sharper focus. More attention to detail. Us, us, us, us. That’s it.”
The Broncos come in with a 2-0 record, but closer inspection finds a fluke win in Week 1 against Cincinnati and a one-sided win in Week 2 over a Cleveland team that could easily be headed down a road to 3-13.
Figure the Raiders defense ought to be able to hold its own against a conservative offense led by Kyle Orton, who is charged with taking care of the ball and distributing it smartly and without a great deal of risk.
The Broncos have retained quite a bit of their zone blocking technique, but the truth is that other than last season’s Week 1 Monday night face plant, Oakland would have beaten Denver in three of the last four games had it not been for a Sebastian Janikowski off-the-upright special in 2007 and has beaten the Broncos decisively twice.
The Raiders’ biggest challenges seem fairly apparent _ do something positive in the passing game other than on the last drive of the game, and successfully block a Broncos defense that has changed its personality in a 3-4 defense under the direction of Mike Nolan.
On the first score, JaMarcus Russell’s passing struggles have been sufficiently scrutinized and analyzed. He can’t continue to pass at a 35.2 percent clip and there’s really no reason to believe he will. He was over 60 percent in the last seven games of 2008. He couldn’t have forgotten how to pass overnight. He’s going to come out of it to some degree.
If Russell does sharpen things up today, the shift from Robert Gallery to Erik Pears at left guard will be an area of concern. Gallery and left tackle Mario Henderson have operated side-by-side for enough games and enough practices to understand each other. Henderson knows when Gallery will be there if he allows his man to get inside. Nolan has placed Elvis Dumervill, a 5-foot-11 barrel of a pass rusher, on both sides as an outside linebacker, and can either go after Cornell Green or the suddenly weakened left side.
The Broncos have not been shy about bringing blitzers, and that includes veteran free safety Brian Dawkins.
All of which would make it incumbent on the Raiders to stay balanced (57 rushes, 56 passes through two games), avoid falling behind and get good games out of their kickers, who were nothing short of spectacular a week ago.
Could be a prime opportunity for Darren McFadden to get loose on a screen with defenders already committed to the rush, or for Michael Bush to do the same, smaller defenders scattering like bowling pins.
Beat the Broncos, and longterm its not hard to imagine them heading into Week 13 at 4-7.
Kansas City has lost 25 of its last 27 games.
After the opener, the Raiders are convinced they can beat San Diego and even Norv Turner is telling people his team isn’t all that.
It’s the AFC West.
Anything is possible.
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September 26th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
go Raiders
September 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
1st
September 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
or 2nd
September 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Someone stole the Raider webpage.
Click on the Raiders here at NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/fantasy
September 26th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
DEN @ OAK =W
OAK @ HOU =W
OAK @ NYG =L
PHI @ OAK =L
NYJ @ OAK =W
OAK @ SD =W
KC @ OAK =W
CIN @ OAK =W
OAK @ DAL =W
OAK @ PIT =L
WAS @ OAK =W
OAK @ DEN =W
OAK @ CLE =W
BAL @ OAK =L
Raiders 11-5 AFC West Champs
September 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The chargers beat the raiders for the 12th time… and may just beat them next time too for the 13th time, just based on impulse….
But the real thing is that the chargers may have lost the season just based on that game, with all those key starters injured against the raiders…
It was a real old fashion beatdown the raiders gave the chargers…
Lost for the season is Jamal Williams, Hardwick the center is out 6-8 weeks…. LT will not play its second game in a row… other key players went down to…
This was a real beatdown… and it will determine the standings on the AFC west…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Jerry ..you stealin’ Thec’s line? j/k
Like I posted on the prior blog ….I found it very interesting looking at Jam’s stats last year vs KC. They were equally horrific – 35.3%, 35.7% respectively. Maybe its just the opponent in KC ..maybe he just doesn’t like red. It interesting nonetheless that he put up another 30 per center against the same team.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
DEN @ OAK =L
OAK @ HOU =L
OAK @ NYG =L
PHI @ OAK =L
NYJ @ OAK =L
OAK @ SD =W
KC @ OAK =W
CIN @ OAK =L
OAK @ DAL =L
OAK @ PIT =L
WAS @ OAK =W
OAK @ DEN =W
OAK @ CLE =W
BAL @ OAK =L
Raiders 6-10 AFC West CLOWNS
September 26th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
AirRade would love to know what Plunketthead is smoking. It must be some very mind altering stuff.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Everyone looking down the road as the future schedule that I have seen has it figured for a loss that last game of the season against Baltimore, but what if Baltimore has it’s playoff spot wrapped up and The Raiders need a win for the playoffs. I think in that scenario The Raiders win. I am not so sure that the Philli game is a sure loss either.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
As I look ahead…
Chargers are in danger of having a losing season this year.
Broncos stink.
KC stinks.
Raiders will likely go between 7-9 to 9-7. They could make the playoffs in competition with the Chargers for that spot. But they’ll have to win the division to get in.
And all the mediots begin jumping on the bandwagon praising Cable and AD. Saying what a great trade they did with Seymour – what great draft picks they got in DHB and Murphy – complete 360 and you can see it slowly start to happen now.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Terp,
Where is the media praising the DHB pick? Please give me the link so I can read it.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
KC stinks yet they basically played the Raiders to a stalemate and probably should have won the game. Rational thinking there.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Jerry, what if the sideshow is more interesting than the main show? Personally, I think we beat the Broncos by 10 tomorrow. But that’s tomorrow. Right now, I’m more interested the Gannon/Davis situation.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Jerry, John Herrera said that Gannon was one of the least popular players amongst his teammates when he was here. Do you recall any of Gannon’s teammates telling you that, on or off the record? With all due respect to Mr. Herrera, he’s the only person in the public real I’ve heard this from. I know this, Al Davis certainly isn’t too popular with some of our former players.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Terp,
AirRade is ready for the link to the DHB info, go ahead at any time.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I usually don’t pay these feeble minds any attention. But AirRade …your head is obviously filled with a lot of Air and little of the stuff that actually works.
If you actually read what I typed you would see that I was referring to my perception of events to come.
Furthermore, how many times has KC been an easy opponent to beat? Those games have been close more often than not irregardless. (And moreover, I conveniently pointed out for your feeble mind how bad Russell has played vs KC last year and this year. Each time he’s played them he’s thrown in the 30% range.)
September 26th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Dumb question but why do I always see someone post 1st on their response. This a very winnable game and going to Houston at 2-1 would be a good thing for this team.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
AirRade loves how you throw a guys name in the mix(DHB) who has done nothing in two games and looks every bit like a lost puppy out on the field when talking about how the media will rave. As soon as Chaz is back, your boy is headed to the bench.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Well AirRade …Cable obviously disagrees with you. Further proving your head is filled with more Air than actual brains.
If you need to check that FACT …just do a little research (hint: check Jerry’s prior blog posts with Cable speaking).
September 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
AirRade
Where is your link to “Chaz is back, your boy is headed to the bench. Is that your opinion, or just your stupid thought.
I’ll wait for the link, dude.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
AirRade also loves how you assume Russell is all the sudden going to start lightn the skies when he has proven he is unable to do so.
AirRade thinks Terp uses excuses alot in his daily life.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
AirRade would think the 2 best WRs would start and play, but this is the Raiders so…..You never know.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
how is kc stinking when they whooped u but u got lucky at the end and won.
denver stinking, then u must be dead! they can beat u with a short passing game and sustaining drives. If JaFatass Rusell doesnt step up, youre gone
DHB is bust till now. Murphy is ways better
September 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Terrapin never said Russell was going to start lighting it up like a Christmas tree. You’re reeeaachiiing AIRrade.
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What the hell his this kid talking about? Cable clearly stated that when Chaz comes back its going to likely reduce Murphy’s reps because they play the same position. No ambiguity. Whether or not you or I disagree with that doesn’t matter.
More circumstantial evidence suggest that that would indeed be the case as Murphy has begun taking reps in the slot – not the X (DHB’s position). Such evidence would suggest that when Chaz gets back Murphy’s reps at the Z will decrease while his reps in the slot will increase.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
AirRade,
Raider Dell is ready for the link to the DHB info, go ahead at any time.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
LMFAO!! Sure Terp. AirRade went back and read “Chaz to the rescue” entry. Yeah, it really appears DHB is a lock to stay in there! LMFAO
September 26th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
You see AIR rade my #25 …that’s pretty much the antithesis of your ‘filled with AIR’ posts.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Dell,
Go ahead and re-read entry “Schillens to the recue_ next week.” There you go, your welcome.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
AirRade
/Dude
Oh I get it, you can question an opinion or thought of some in here on this blog, but when you give an opinion it’s not to question. Who are you? What opinion of yours is better than another who thinks differently than you.
Are you just a person with an opinion or do you have any facts to support yours.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
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September 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
AirRade knows that Russell must start lightn up the skies for Terps assanine predictions to come true.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
What’s going on Dell?
School is killing me, but I’m doing great so far.
Raiders 20- 13!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
What opinion are you refering to there Dell?
That Murphy is better than DHB? Thats not an opinion. Thats fact.
That Russell blows? Again….
Thats talking about the Raiders and playoffs in the same sentence is ludicrous? And once more…..
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
http://www.murphyisbetterthandhb.com/fact/opinion
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Dude – You are clearly ignoring what the HEAD COACH said and what Tollner is actually doing with Murphy.
The HC explicitly said Chaz’s return is going to come at the expense of Murphy’s reps at the Z because they play the same position.
Tollner explained that Murphy has begun taking reps in the slot – not the X.
What more do you need?!?
It doesn’t matter if you or I disagree. Period!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Hmm… Tollner, Murphy and Chaz ALL said the position dznt matter. But what the hell do they know, riiiigght
September 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
AirRade
Where is the link to; That Murphy is better than DHB? Thats not an opinion. Thats fact.
Link please.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Dell,
Never said there was a link. The first 2 games, pre-season and training camp has made it a fact. Nice effort though.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Terp,
If one of them were to hit the bench, which one SHOULD it be??
September 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Thanks for stoppn by seasontixholder.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Raider O
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I would like you to read this book at Borders, Barnes and Noble.
The book can be read in a few hours, bring some change for a cup of coffee.
Please read “Your MBA Game Plan” authors are Scott Schrum-Omari Bouknight.
The book will give you guidance to the interviews and a game plan to a college of your choice.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
AirRade
Where is the link to your fact?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Dell,
I am goin to type this very slowly so you might understand……..
I never said there was a link. The first 2 games, pre-season and camp have proven the fact. Get it? Good.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I stopped in just to see what JerryMac has posted. I see that Raider Dell is arguing with an idiot. Why bother to post. I’m out of here until the morning crew arrives tomorrow. Later. Raider Dell, you have facts. AirRade is really Airhead. LMFAO
September 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
AirRade Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
What opinion are you refering to there Dell?
That Murphy is better than DHB? Thats not an opinion. Thats fact.
That Russell blows? Again….
Thats talking about the Raiders and playoffs in the same sentence is ludicrous? And once more…..
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AirRade Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Dell,
Never said there was a link. The first 2 games, pre-season and training camp has made it a fact. Nice effort though.
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Thanks for the link, I guess it’s your opinion. That is real interesting, your opinion is a fact, but everyone else’s in here needs to provide a link or is wrong, by your standards.
I guess you are just to smart for all of us. What does your crystal ball say about tomorrow’s game?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Break is over! Time to study again.
Later Gents.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Dell,
Who is the better player right now Murphy or DHB?
Crystal ball…….. Broncos 13 Raiders 9
Both offenses are garbage. Broncos get a pick six or something for their TD.
Let me guess, yours says Raiders 76 Broncos 3.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Dell,
Thank you so much. I would like to know all my options. You have been great with giving me advice. Thank you, and I appreciate it.
Later my friend. Time to study IDS & forecasting!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Hard to make the right choice:
MBA from a UC school, or CFA 1st!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
AirRade
Until you provide me when you commment in this blog with links, I will provide you with no opinions, based on what I think.
I’m at a disadvantage, your opinions are facts, I just sense your brilliance.
I’m going to get ready to visit a friend who graduated from WSU. I can’t wait to see USC get their arse kicked, my opinion.
Later AirRade/Dude
September 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Dell,
Wanna bet 5000 dollars WSU does not kick SCs ass?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Here’s the way I honestly see it and its complicated. You can argue that Fargas is actually a better runner between the tackles than McFadden is right now. You can argue that Gradkowski/Garcia are more polished qbs than Russell is right now. You can argue that JLH is a more polished WR than Murphy and DHB are right now.
But the fact of the matter is some players you have more invested in and its usually these players that you have to develop. And the best way to do that is to put them in the game more often. If you don’t they may never reach their potential or meet the reason why you drafted them.
You get these players based on a vision you have for your team and how that can deliver. DHB was drafted based on what he brought to the team and how he fits into that vision of the offense – same for Murphy, same for DMC, same for Russell. They each serve a unique purpose. DHB to spread the field.
Now even if we assume Fargas was a better in between the tackles runner than DMC, I understand that keeping DMC on the bench in favor of Fargas will only handicap this team in the long run. DMC must be developed same as DHB, Murphy, Chaz et al.
While you want your best players on the field you must also think towards the future of your team. There is only one goal in the NFL and thats winning the Super Bowl and you must get the right mix of developed/developing players to win it.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Jerry, John Herrera said that Gannon was one of the least popular players amongst his teammates when he was here. Do you recall any of Gannon’s teammates telling you that, on or off the record?
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I don’t know about jerry but during the time jerry rice was here I there were plenty of players he weren’t gannon fans. I recall tim brown saying he and jerry rice had to save him from getting his a+* kicked quite a few time in the locker room because he didn’t know how yo talk to people. He said gannon had to rmember these were men he was talking to. I even remember seeing tyrone wheatly ready to tee off on rich on the sideline during a game. They’re not johns not lying about that him not being the most favored raider, he won games but was not liked.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Terrapin-those who say Murphy should play when Chaz returns don’t understand the off at all.they obviously don’t understand DHBs job.they also don’t understand the part about the QB developing with his WRs.DHB was drafted to be the deep threat and open the field for the other WRs.he is the future,just as JR is the future at QB.how will JR develop any chemistry with DHB if he isn’t on the field?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
KK-they don’t play the same position and aren’t asked to do the same things therefore stats don’t mean squat.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Raider Dell Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
AirRade
Where is the link to; That Murphy is better than DHB? Thats not an opinion. Thats fact.
Link please.
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http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?team=OAK
September 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
MURPHY IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER THAN BEY PRIOD A BLIND PERSON WHO HATES SPORTS CAN SEE IT.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I hope Seymour destroys Denvers line.
Raiders 27-Boncos 17
September 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
DHB has caught ONE Ball, season, pre-season, camp!
Cable just said that It’s very easy for the WR’s to play all the WR positions.
DHB is on an Al Davis scholarship, forcing JaMarcus to look for him, at the expense of the team, and AL Nation is alright with it. No surprise.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Lefty12 – A lot of people just never get over the disappointment of not getting their player in the draft so whichever headline player was chosen in that spot …first sign of struggle …they crucify him and say I told you so ..bench him! ..yadayadayada.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
DHB has caught ONE Ball, season, pre-season, camp!
Cable just said that It’s very easy for the WR’s to play all the WR positions.
DHB is on an Al Davis scholarship, forcing JaMarcus to look for him, at the expense of the team, and AL Nation is alright with it. No surprise
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“Scholarship” He’s played 2 fuggin’ games.
SHEEEEESH!
September 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
This reminds me of Tedd Ginn Jr being drafted to Miami. The fans wanted Brady Quinn and they absolutely berated Ginn his first sign of struggle.
Now, this story is yet to be completed but I saw some of Ginn Monday night and he sure looked good.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Am I reading this right?
Brandon Marshall may sit out ? Illness…
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092712/2009/REG3/broncos@raiders
September 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
KK,he only has 1 catch because the QB you love so much can’t hit the side of a barn from the inside.if you watched the games,and i’m pretty sure you do,you’ll have noticed DHB has been open.he just can’t throw the ball to himself.you want him to fail so once again you can biotch about Davis.you are such a hater,you think anybody who doesn’t hate everything Davis does is a Davis lover.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
U must be crazy if u think T Ginn looks good, dude dropped a TD pass that would have won them the game. He has speed but no skill to catch the ball, I believe he had three drops in that game. That sound like Troy Williamson, a bum.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
i should have added,nothing could be further from the truth.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
KK speaks of scholarships,what the he!! do you think our QB is on.even you can’t believe a QB with a 35% completion percentage should feel his job is secure.but since you love JR,he is fine,but a WR you didn’t want should be benched,is that how it works,KK.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
I will be honest with you guys, there are many Rookie WRS better than DHB. Hakeem Nicks, Britts, Knoxs, Murphy to name a few. I also believe Maclin will be better than DHB. The guy who I predict to be an elite receiver is Hakeem Nicks, he was a beast in NC. As far as Crabtree, he can sit this year and lose millions next year playing for Dallas.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
DHB looks like williamson and ginn too, cant catch the ball. starters should be schillens and walker, murphy if hes able to outfight walker and dhb if hes able to outfight anybody.
starters should be based on production not potential. he can potent in practice.
But thats just too much info for stupid Davis to comprehend!
September 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Lefty
I could make character judgments about you too as well.
All I know is I’ve been following the Raiders since 1964. Born & Raised in Oakland. 6 winning seasons in 20 yrs is something for me to complain about.
The laughingstock of the League is not alright with me. I have no idea what your motives are.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Lefty
Did JR start as a Rookie? Did McFadden start as a Rookie? NO!
Did JR and McFadden earn their jobs? YES. May I remind you Russell’s last 7 games of the season he completed 60% and avg 91 passer rating.
DHB has shown NOTHING in pre-season or season.
But the Only thing Al Nation is concerned about is Al Davis media reviews.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Bronco fans bashin away. Highlarious! They think “Orton’s a wining QB”.
Prep for the spiral you so richly deserve Denverites.
The End is Nigh at Mile High…
September 26th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
SC last week, and Cal this week ….
But Cal is getting worked over pretty bad. What’s going on with that fellas?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
born in Oakland,raised in the east bay,Raider fan since 1960 before AD arrived.i am also not happy with the last 6 years.i also have many problems with the GM,but i don’t turn my back on the team and wish for failure because of my problems with AD.i am not making any character judgements about you,just pointing out that you love JR and don’t come on here spewing about he should be benched,yet you didn’t want DHB in the draft and now you say he should be benched for lack of production.why the Double standards?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
DHB caught both passes thrown his way last week, and was super solid blocking.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Too bad U don’t understand DHB’s value in clearing out defenders with his speed.
We start landing a couple more deep kill shots and you’ll see the underneath wide open for Murphy, Miller, DMC, Bush ect…
September 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Jhill.SC didn’t have their QB.Cal is getting totally outcoached and Riley is doing his Russell imitation.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I never wish for Raider failure, never. But, if you can’t handle my Davis criticism, too bad, that’s your problem.
I could see if I was the only person in the universe criticizing Davis, but that’s hardly true, is it?
September 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Whoever said the Raiders should have lost to the Chiefs is full of it…You say that…fine….the Raiders SHOULD have beaten the Chargers….Would of could of should of….
Come tomorrow…the Broncos are going to be dealt another 30 something to 10 beat down. That’s what I feel.
The Raiders have a defense that can keep them in every game on the schedule…thank goodness New Orleans is not on the schedule!
The D-Line can play the run…and the Raider corners can handle any receiver combination. The key is the offense playing well enough to put some points on the board and keep the D off the field
September 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Have to run the football effectivley to win and not have many penalties.
They need to implement the Miami Dolphin style of the WildCat which keeps defenses off balance.
DMC is one of the best Wildcat backs ever, they need to UNLEASH him and Bush.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Too bad U don’t understand DHB’s value in clearing out defenders with his speed.
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Seems I heard that theory somewhere…………Ah yes, James Jett.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
KK speaks of scholarships,what the he!! do you think our QB is on.even you can’t believe a QB with a 35% completion percentage should feel his job is secure.but since you love JR,he is fine,but a WR you didn’t want should be benched,is that how it works,KK.
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The QB is NOT on scholarship. Absolutely not! I am really surprised to see you post something like that. You don’t bench a QB that has a 1-1 record because he struggled in his first two games! Especially when said QB played well down the stretch the year before and is the best option on roster.
Spare me the Jeff Garcia references too. Playing a QB that is 39 yrs old is about as DUMB a thing a team in transition could ever do!
September 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Here is a new subject to speculate on since we speculate on everything else.
I want to start off by saying I support Cable and hope he turns us around. This is no knock on Coach. Just starting conversation.
But I have a funny feeling in the back of my head that Al intends to bring in Cowher or someone else with a proven track record. He is gambling on JR and DHB and DMAC becoming superstars and theres no time to waste. Thats why they are playing and will continue to play no matter what.
If the team plays well then he has a much better chance of landing someone big although Chuckie and Mikey are probaly not on Als short list. Al knows he wont live forever and I bet he spends all his money and all the OPM he can get his hands on to make a big run at the SB.
Discuss>
September 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
SnB,i do not,i repeat,i DO NOT think JR should be benched.i was just asking a known JR supporter why should DHB be benched when we know he is the future
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You don’t know that AT ALL. He was a average reciever on a below avg college team.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Wow… Ducks are putting a beatdown on the Bears..
Let’s put a beatdown on the rented Mules tomorrow…
September 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
SnB,i do not,i repeat,i DO NOT think JR should be benched.i was just asking a known JR supporter why should DHB be benched when we know he is the future,yet say JR should feel secure as a starter with his recent play.it was said DHB is a scholarship player after 2-TWO-games.to say he is on scholarship is like saying JR is also on scholarship.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
and did you ever read me say anything about Garcia?hell no,i didn’t even want him signed in the first place.when Fry was signed,i came on here and said that is probably the end of Garcia.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
They need to start getting the ball to DHB on bubble screens and get him the ball in space.
By doing that, it will allow DHB to dust a CB on a deep double move!
September 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
[...] leading up to Sunday’s game shows that he is focused on making a change in Oakland. From the Contra Costa Times: “Don’t worry so much about the opponent, who they are and how they do things,” Cable said. [...]
September 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Maybe you’re right TrueRaider. I didn’t sit there and watch the whole game …only parts of it. I didn’t see the drops. His production has steadily increased each year. Brady Quinn …well there’s not much to write about there so we’ll see.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Judging a player based solely on 2 games is so absurd it merits no comment.
If a significant part of your job playing the X is to pull defenders to open up other WR/TEs then its really not hard to imagine those WR/TEs initially getting more catches.
Still DHB will get his. Last week vs KC he caught what could have been 2 deep TDs (1 called back for penalty and the other he caught out of bounds ..either he ran too close the the sidelines or Jam didn’t lead him).
September 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Terrapin Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Judging a player based solely on 2 games is so absurd it merits no comment.
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When said player is a starter and #7 overall pick, has 1 reception in 2 games, after doing nothing in pre-season………………While the 4th Rounder Murphy, has stepped up and established himself as the go-to guy, says something.
But Al Nation is only concerned with Al Davis media reviews.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
O.K. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH FROM HERE TO TOMORROW EVENING I WILL NOT BASH JAPOATROAST ANYMORE. ITS TIME FOR BATTLE.
I HATED MY BROTHER GROWING UP BUT AFTER SCHOOL WHEN IT WAS TIME TO GO TO HOOKS WE WERE ON THE SAME TEAM.
IT’S TIME TO PUT A THROTTLING ON THE DONKEYS I HATE THE DONKEYS AS MUCH AS SAN DIEGO,CHIEFS,COWGIRLS,ETC………
SO C’MON JABIGMAC LETS WHOOOP SOME DONKEY AZZZZZ.
P.S. MURPHY IS BETTER THAN DHB HANDS DOWN.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
HEY TERRAPIN PLENTY OF PEOPLE ARE JUDGING MARK SANCHEZ SOLEY ON 2 GAMES.
IM JUST SAYING IT DOES HAVE SOME MERITT,
P.S MURPHY IS BETTER THAN DHB HANDS DOWN.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Right now your best bet is to play Murphy and Walker and insert DHB in passing situation, that you’ll scare and more defenders will go DHB’s way. But thats again is too much info for Davis to comprehend. Not keep DHB unproductive all the time on the field. Involve him step by step.
You need productive receivers on the field.
But again Davis wants to see his N7 and money making deep catches down the field. oh the vanity..
September 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Does the Al Davis Gestapo monitor and record every Football Analyst for crimes against the state?
September 26th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Terrapin Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Judging a player based solely on 2 games is so absurd it merits no comment.
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When said player is a starter and #7 overall pick, has 1 reception in 2 games, after doing nothing in pre-season………………While the 4th Rounder Murphy, has stepped up and established himself as the go-to guy, says something.
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This shows you don’t know what your talking about. Like we need another example…
Murphy has erased several 1st downs and TDs with his inability to hold the ball and with stupid rank rookie penalties.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan and hope he does well and continues to improve, but he’s made more bone head plays in Pre and in 2 games then alot of starters do all year.
Lots of room to grow. Same with DHB. Lets see whats what in 2010 before we throw him to the wolves.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Is Marshall out with “illness” I wonder? He’s been slacking thats for sure. he wants OUT of Bronco land…
September 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
If Jamarcus doesn’t do well this year…heres a possible option for the future.
Could Bradford soon be sliding?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 26, 2009 12:36 PM ET
Anyone who hopes to draft a high-end quarterback next April but who intends to be picking late in round one probably is feeling pretty good about the ongoing unavailability of Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford.
John Taylor of CFT has an update on Bradford, and it’s possibly not encouraging.
So if the 2008 Heisman Trophy winner misses most if not all of the season with a shoulder injury suffered during the first college football game at the North Texas Football Cathedral, he might very well be on the board when the pro team that plays there uses its first-round pick in 2010.
There’s another likely low-drafting team with a quarterback who’ll soon be 40 — and a running back who used to be a Sooner.
With so much money invested in the players taken at the top of the draft, a lost season could make it very difficult for Bradford to stay at the top of the selection process. Though busts are inevitable, the accountability within an organization that picks a guy could be much greater where warning signs were present.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
This site has us picking the top DE 3rd overall next season. Ouch. Now…this was made before the season started so hopefully they’ll make some adjustments based on what they’ve seen. We gotta beat take down the Broncos and take them down hard.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I just hope our O line can contain Denver’s pass rush. I mean our qb is incompetent as is…or maybe with some pressure JaMarcbust will hit receivers.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Those same ppl were judging Matt Lienhart and VY also based on their initial performance in the league and you see how that turned out.
Those same ppl were judging Nam based on his initial production in the league and you see how that turned out.
Those same ppl were judging Eli based on his 1st 2/3 seasons in the league and you see how that turned out.
Say what you will but his performance now does not say he is a bust. Period! He is only doing what the coaches are asking of him. He gets open when his number is called. He pulls the safety so we all can hear “1st down RAIDERS!, 1st down ZACH MILLER!!, WIDE OPEN!!!”
September 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
KK – That’s like saying JR is a bust when he played his 1st few games last year only to come on strong at the end. And based on your same logic you would have benched Russell back then in favor of Dulpepper or McCown.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
This shows you don’t know what your talking about. Like we need another example…
Murphy has erased several 1st downs and TDs with his inability to hold the ball and with stupid rank rookie penalties.
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Murphy 6 recptions 118 yds TD. 4th Rookie Reciever in the NFL.
Bey 1 reception 18 yds
Now take your rude ass to school, boy.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Kell, Murphy is more polished than DHB. DHB will continue to start and nada will change on that front. When Chaz comes back everyone is believing that Russell will all of a sudden be a competent NFL passer. Russell has to complete passes all over the field if we want to take this division. Bash DHB all you must, he hasnt played worse than Russell and I wish you would try to dispute it.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
You don’t compare the development or urgency of a Franchise Rookie QB, with a Rookie WR, first off.
DHB has done nothing in his entire football career. Never caught more than 4TD’s in his life.
Right now the Raiders are playing 10 versus 11 on offense. Decoy………sheesh.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Russell has played well before.
Bey has not……period.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Oh my god Kell I cant believe we agree. Raiders are playing 10 vs 11 and Russell is the weak link. Russell hasnt been able to hit an elephant with a bowling ball so far in the 2009 season.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
kell u all over the place. dhb caught 5 tds ina season at maryland. that may not be alot but its more than what u said. also u need to get off your high horse. u arent the only one disgusted by what has happened here but alot of us dont need to repeat the same shizz over and over like u. heybey needs time to grow like everyone. his numbers would be better if jmac played better. he has missed heybey several times including preseason and u want to blame that on #12. come on son!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Anyone who says DHB has done a damn thing in 2 games is out of their mind because they are seeing things that dont exist. “Clearing out the D”? Fukn please. You dont draft a guy @7 to “clear out the D.”
September 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
yeah brien but russell has to get the ball there first. u know im a big jmac supporter but hes gettin on my nerves now. he wont be this bad all year but he needs to get to where he ended last year and stay there for us to be legit. everythingelse is in place so now its on him.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Its not where you start its where you end. WRs in this league can take at least a year to develop. And you guys are judging 2 players entire NFL careers off of 2 games. I may not have access to sky cam vids but I sincerely doubt Murphy is getting double to the same extent DHB is.
Maybe there was something to Chaz’s comments about there being gaping holes in the defenses when DHB is on the field. You think?
Anyway …game time tomorrow. Hopefully 1st place in the AFC West and never looking back. The Raiders are in prime position – hopefully they’re ready to capitalize.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Yeah well DHB was a guy I didnt expect to have off the chart rookie numbers for the season. Al is being stubborn with DHB as he is with Russell. He wants to show everyone that he is right so much. That is just how the old man is. It is up to Russell and DHB to show he is right.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
hey brien what u think about tedford? i dont believe cal will win a big game under this guy. they always get soft as hell in the spotlight. hes so damn uptight and conservative it rubs off on his players. that was embarrasing what happened out there today. damn cal!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Yeah Terp they are in prime position to put their hands on that division, but will they step up?
And you are wrong about Farglass being better at running in between the tackles better than DMAC. Farglass does nothing better than DMAC except suck. 8 or 9 men in the box constantly for a QB who isnt hitting his open guys.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
A large part of Reggie Bush’s responsibility when he 1st came in the league was being a decoy and opening up everyone else on offense.
The NO offense you all admired sure looked potent his rookie campaign.
And Bush was drafted not #7 but TOP 5!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Can anybody tell me why the media is still so high on the Chargers? And these are the dolts you fools keep listening to?
Chargers are done! DONE! I’ll be shocked, shocked if they win over 9 games. I don’t even think they are going to beat the Dolphins this week.
Raiders! Take that crown – starting this week!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
its important we get off to a good start. i say we put our defense on the field first since they are more cohesive. jamarcus better engineer some early td drives 2 cuz its gonna be too damn hot out there for me to be waitin. imma be in all black so russell entertain our asses or the home faithful will give u an earful.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
24 Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
If Jamarcus doesn’t do well this year…heres a possible option for the future.
Could Bradford soon be sliding?
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NO! He has limited arm strength and I would leery of drafting any Quarterback that played in the SEC or Big 12. Superior athletes and college offenses slow the development of ANY QB from those leagues. And spare me the Cutler/Mannings examples. Cutler played for lowly Vanderbilt where his margin for error on his passes were low and the Mannings are there because of their father.
If we have to get a new QB, hopefully not as Russell will get better, then go to the Big East, Big 10, USC or any team north of the Mason-Dixon line…. or one of the mid-majors!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Terp the Chargers were done as soon as they fired Marty lol. Norv will lead you to a title? Please. Chargers are busted up on both lines and aren’t the same running power they were.
Yes Armond, it is very important to get off to a good start. Ideally you want to be up 10 points or more for the majority of the game so Kyle Orton is forced to pass
September 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Terrapin Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Can anybody tell me why the media is still so high on the Chargers? And these are the dolts you fools keep listening to?
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That’s the thing about Cults, they want to keep the flock isolated from the outside world. Cultists are not to hear or speak anything but what the Cult Leader says.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
DHB is doing what the coaches are asking him to. That has to count for something. It’s not his fault that they are not calling bubbles screens and 5 yard hitches and slants for the guy. And I don’t think anyone can deny that they are sliding a S his way.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
In 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis’s attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders’ operations. McGah, a supporter of Davis, signed the agreement. Under partnership law, by a 2–1 vote of the general partners, the new agreement was thus ratified. Valley was furious when he discovered this, and immediately filed suit to have the new agreement overturned, but the court sided with Davis and McGah. In January 1976, Valley sold his interest in the team, and Davis — who now owned only 25 percent of the Raiders — was firmly in charge.
- Thats the way to do it. What a sorry ass pathetic cunt!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Starting on defense would be nice. A quick 3 and out, and the offense get solid field position. Hopefully we will see more of those single back sets but with Bush carrying the ball instead of ONeal. Not quite sure if anyone has noticed how ineffective ONeal has been overall. I think we rushed him back. We suck running the ball out of the I formation!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Yes Jhill, I’d love to start out on D and then force a quick series so Higgins get to return a TD.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Wolff #124
That’s the true story. So, you little cultists, don’t get it twisted, as they say.
Now, if a new young turk could come along and do the same for Al……
September 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
What Al Davis did in the 70s to Valley was on point. Al did the right thing. Good job Al. Take it away if suckas aint rockin it right
September 26th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
If we play Raider football tomorrow, 27/13, Donkies done!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Is his son any better, did he do any interviews or?
September 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
860, yeah a a win by at least 10 points is what will impress me. At home the Raiders need to handle these guys. It will make a statement heading to play a Houston squad that has alot of talent
September 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Brien, agree, we have the tallent, though we have the injurious, the new kids on the block HAVE to step up!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Hey Brien,goin be hot Sun,not sure about wearing ALL BLACK,as some are asking!Will be in LINE at 7AM,going to see a few tailgates,see old friends,start with a Bloody Mary and ???? Raiders???
September 26th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
A personal Raider moment
Years ago my dad was a painter for a company that had some percentage of the team, we are talking mid to late 60’s. Well he ended up working at Mr and Mrs Valley home at least once a year to spruce things up. Later on when Al Davis moved near there he ended up doing alot of work on his home, he’d be there once a year at least. One time my dads truck thru a rod in Wayne Valleys driveway. When he came back with a tow truck the next day there was a brand new chevy pickup in the driveway. It was from Wayne and Al. The truck is still in his garage. I thought that was pretty cool.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
post133,I meant Raiders!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry,think I will have another
September 26th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4507101
Tebow took a really big hit. Watch the footage. He went to the hospital afterwards.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
HELLLLOOOOOOOOOO……..i can hear an echo and crikets…
September 26th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
dont care how many points we win by tomorrow. just win baby!
September 26th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
That was a violent hit on tebow…WOW…..
Broncos going to get some of that tommorrow…….
Raiders blow them out, JRUSS will shine 2-1
Tied for second in the division, more importsantly 2-1 in the AFC west…..
2009 Raiders Improbable…..
September 26th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Mike Holmgren is coming back to the sidelines in 2010. That means that Holmgren, Gruden, Shanahan and Cowher will be on the market. Ah what the hell..who needs them? We have Tom Cable. Haha. Better make it work Tom.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
KK-i thought what happened in the 1st 30 years didn’t mean anything,we are only supposed to remember the last 20?
September 26th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Foxboro, Mass….
“The generally quiet release of the Friday afternoon practice report included one red flag yesterday that sounded like an air horn.
Receiver Randy Moss did not practice with the Patriots because of a back problem – a surprising development.”
Rut Roh!
It’s starting….
September 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
MAN THAT KID FROM RIVERSIDE TRIED LIKE HELL BUT KLITCHKO WAS A LITTLE TO EXPERIENCED.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
“Could be a prime opportunity for Darren McFadden to get loose on a screen with defenders already committed to the rush, or for Michael Bush to do the same, smaller defenders scattering like bowling pins.”
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Good call, J-Mac. I like the similie as well.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Truth be told, the coaches andsome plaers had to save Gannon from an ol fashion butt whipping many tims. Players hated that dude with his above it all attitude. The only people Gannon wouldn’t speak condescendingly to or about were Timmy and Jerry.
Gannon was hated when he was here by several players, hell Gruden didn’t even like his ass. But he worked his ass off to be the best he could be and he was a true professional. Which Al Davis liked but all this anti-Raider hate by Gannon has taken Al Davis by surprise because when he was here he ws allowed to do a lot of things that went against the grain. Because e was considered the leader outside of Tim Brown who the HNIC.
But Tim hated Gannon the got along because Gannon threw him the ball. As soon a Norv got here that changed. Jerry Porter was essentially put in Tim’s spot without earning it. Because Tim couldn’t play anymore. But Gannon was HATED when he was here and Jerry knows it.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Tomorrow is all about the running game, until Chaz gets back and in the groove with Russell we MUST run the football. Fargas IMO would give us a reall shot in the arm. But DMC has to show that he can dominate a game. That he can be a force fo us right now DC’s aren’t concerned about him because he’s not consistent. That has to change, he is the big money back in this offense and that has to translate to big plays. Sunday would be a perfect time for that to come to fruition.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I hear you Priesttj,
But we’re going to need JaMarcus in this one. The Donkeys will do everything they can to stymie the running attack.
Don’t be stingy with the screen passes and deep play-action stuff tomorrow, Tommy. We’re going to need to pass to set up the run.
Tell JaMarcus harness the mindset he’s been in at the end of the last two and be there when they enter tomorrow’s game.
I still have faith in the kid.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
agreed!
September 26th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I don’t know if you guys knew this or not but NFL.com will let you watch a blacked out game streamed on their website starting at midnight, and for 72 hours following the game, excluding the time that Monday Night Football is on. The only thing is, it says you have to be in the blacked out area. Does anyone know how THEY know? IP address or something? I’m in the market anyway, but in case people outside of the market could take advantage of this too, it would be worth knowing.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8127eb87&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
September 26th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
What Al Davis did in the 70s to Valley was on point. Al did the right thing. Good job Al. Take it away if suckas aint rockin it right
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So then Al is the last person who should be whining about someone being disloyal to him right? I know you’re just saying this to antagonize fans who don’t like Al Davis but you’re only proving our point. Without Wayne Valley, Al Davis is nobody. Period. Nobody else in the league would let al near their front office. San Deigo? Forget it. They would let Al coach but that’s it. Barron Hilton and Eugene Klein were nobody’s fools. Valley undoubtedly got the feedback on how cunning Al Davis was, but decided to open his door to him anyway. Al bit him like a snake. For Al or any of his tools like that suckup little poodle John Herrera to ever, ever cry and whine like little babies about someone being disloyal to the Raiders is hypocrisy taken to a whole new level. As many have been saying in recent years, Al is only a trailblazer in things that are embarrassing anymore. Here’s to Tom Cable keeping his team focused despite even more unnecessary distractions.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Priest…
What happened to taking the high road? It doesn’t matter if Gannon was liked here or not. The approach taken by Al and the organization is just childish.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Jon Herrera is an embarrasment. If I see him in public I will try and bait him into a fight. I would love to kick his sorry ass.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Preist, when you consider the attitude of this team when Gannon arrived, I hope he wasn’t liked. Just like how nobody liked Kiffin. I say, good! When lazy football players don’t like someone, it usually means that someone is working their butts off and trying to make them winners. That being said, it looks like Cable is getting these guys to play harder and the players aren’t turning on him. If a coach or a player can pull that off, change an environment and be liked, then more power to them. But I’ll take a Kiffin, Gannon, or Gruden, too. Whatever brings wins.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:49 am
My father always said that those who look for fights usually get them, and someday you’re going to meet your match. Herrera really does have a bully’s attitude. And he’s a little too old for it. And, let’s face it, small for it, physically. If this guy doesn’t learn to relax and to save his energy for a fist fight, or threat thereof, for a situation where he’s forced to defend himself or someone else who needs his help, he’s eventually going to run into someone who doesn’t have the civility of a Rich Gannon or Tim Kawakami, and Jerry’s going to be asking him what’s up with the black eye.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:52 am
I think Herrera’s trying to cash in on the fame Cable has gotten for knocking out Hanson. He’s trying to make Gannon his Hanson, maybe. If this is the case? My oh my, Herrera. Look up something called genetics. You’re not Tom Cable. Watch Gannon knock this f’r out.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:02 am
poole says poor treatment of gannon? great quarterback for the raiders. i dont know of many great raiders talkin trash about the silver & black. please-lets all remain respectful of this team. this team gave a second chance to a bunch of washed-up hombres, gannon included. everybody…..be a raider….support this team
September 27th, 2009 at 1:17 am
comment on that ya sissy la-la’s
September 27th, 2009 at 1:19 am
c’mon girls. bad mouth that
September 27th, 2009 at 1:29 am
nothin’? figures…we got a game today…be a raider
September 27th, 2009 at 3:20 am
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September 27th, 2009 at 5:11 am
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Good Morning NATION!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 5:13 am
My opponet 4 this weeks FF is AZRaider…DRINK IT!!!
The reason I say this is b/c they disconnected the internet where he works…Says he be back around 4th or 5th week
September 27th, 2009 at 5:22 am
AirRade Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
KC stinks yet they basically played the Raiders to a stalemate and probably should have won the game. Rational thinking there.
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When these 2 teams meet,you throw rational thinking out the window.Been that way almost 50 years…where ya been???
September 27th, 2009 at 5:38 am
JERRY*****************
Wake up, your blog died
4eva
You guys talked about sailing and I tried to go boating yesterday but the boat did not cooperate.
Its hooked up and ready to go now. All I have to do is get my lazy butt in gear.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:39 am
JLH is the best 5yard slant WR in da nfl,imo.Just his presence moving down the line B4 the snap should open other things up.As we all know 1 5yard hitch 2 JLH can be 6
September 27th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Where can you sail Plunketthead…Lake Havisu
September 27th, 2009 at 5:41 am
OK you said boating NOT sailing I got cha
September 27th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Whats up fellas gonna miss that legend cutler always good for some picks but orton should give up a few, hell yeah nothing like being excited about the D , Now lets move that ball! So glad everyone else sees how bad Wilson was glad he is gone
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Lake Mohave, Lake Mead, Colo River and Havausu are all about one hour away.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Plunketthead Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Here is a new subject to speculate on since we speculate on everything else.
I want to start off by saying I support Cable and hope he turns us around. This is no knock on Coach. Just starting conversation.
But I have a funny feeling in the back of my head that Al intends to bring in Cowher or someone else with a proven track record. He is gambling on JR and DHB and DMAC becoming superstars and theres no time to waste. Thats why they are playing and will continue to play no matter what.
If the team plays well then he has a much better chance of landing someone big although Chuckie and Mikey are probaly not on Als short list. Al knows he wont live forever and I bet he spends all his money and all the OPM he can get his hands on to make a big run at the SB.
Discuss>
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If my memory serves me correctly,Plunketthead,Cower didnt win it all 4 like 10 or 12 years,I think???Anyway…Cable is an ex-lineman and O-line coach…He understands the the basic fundamentals of the game…just like Cohwer but I think Cower was a LB but still a former player just the same.Cower been coaching 4 15 years then took a break.I hope to JAA Big Al keeps Cable 4 years and years.
I like his attitude and him slowly bending this team the way he wants.I think hes a great leader that realizes it must be made from scratch
He dosnt like to play O-Linemen that has NO experience but will plug in guys 2 the defence when needed.
These things take time and he’s building it the right way even if hes not gonna be around.He IS A RAIDER AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A RAIDER,I cant say this enough,even if he aint gonna be here he still gonna do it right
I dont mean to sound rude but @hell with Cohwer and all other coaches…I want a real Raider steering the ship
Sorry 4da novel
September 27th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Waz crakin Nation?
If Russell can pull his arm out of his asss we can win this division! He really needs to get it together and put that KC game behind him.
Where did the fire go last week anyway? SD game we looked intense, then in KC we looked soft. Which team is playing the Donks today?
September 27th, 2009 at 6:08 am
And you are wrong about Farglass being better at running in between the tackles better than DMAC. Farglass does nothing better than DMAC except suck.
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LMMFAO Brien!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 6:11 am
DMAC does need to get lower tho, like Cable said. Too bad Rathman is across the bay. He’s da man!
Everyone like to compare McFadden to Johnson, but they 2 totally different backs. McFadden IS the same type of runner Fargas is as much as some of you want to say otherwise. McFadden is not “shifty”, he runs very hard in one direction. He IS very fast so he creates space to make his cuts around the edge (unlike Fargas) but between the tackles they are similar. McFadden is just plain and simply a superior athlete. Fargas? Goes down at first contact… McFadden? Goes down at first contact… Fargas? Violent runner straight ahead. McFadden? Violent runner straight ahead…
Besides just being superior and his break away speed (we have yet to see in NFL) Fargas and DMAC are the same type of RB. Oh, and DMAC can catch, but I was comparing running styles.
Was watching Johnson, thinking there is no way DMAC can make cuts like he does. He’s too big and tall for that type of running.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Id like to see more of DMAC outside and Bush in the backfield. Bush should get JUST AS MANY carries as DMAC and Fargas should be in there just to give breathers to the both of them.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:18 am
AND…. HEYWARD-BEY NEEDS TO GETT THE BALL IN HIS HANDS IN SPACE! If for no ther reason than to build confidence. Why no let him return a kickoff or 2. Get him an end around or screen! Where’s the stupid wildcat? We have the personel to do it! plus it gives Russell one less snap every time we run it! And Im not bashing Russell, Im just pointing out it is a good package to have if your QB is struggling.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:29 am
It totally wrong what the Raiders are doing to Gannon… EFFING BS! Gannon knows what he is talking about. He wasnt bashing Russell. He was being constructively critical.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Plunketthead Says:
September 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Here is a new subject to speculate on since we speculate on everything else.
I want to start off by saying I support Cable and hope he turns us around. This is no knock on Coach. Just starting conversation.
But I have a funny feeling in the back of my head that Al intends to bring in Cowher or someone else with a proven track record. He is gambling on JR and DHB and DMAC becoming superstars and theres no time to waste. Thats why they are playing and will continue to play no matter what.
If the team plays well then he has a much better chance of landing someone big although Chuckie and Mikey are probaly not on Als short list. Al knows he wont live forever and I bet he spends all his money and all the OPM he can get his hands on to make a big run at the SB.
Discuss>
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And he should do what ever he can to do that, but look at what Cable is doing. He’s turned a horrible team into a respectable one in how many games? Not many… Russell is the key to a SB. If he cant do it the only gamble he should be taking is on another QB.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
…and I WANT Russell to be the guy, but….
September 27th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Heck it may be Holmgren but I hope we win 10 games and Cable stays. I was the first to buy a Cable jersey.
All I am saying is Al hates the past years as much as anyone. He wants results and he wants them yesterday. And it would not suprise me in the least if he has not talked to others about the possibility.
But more so then anything else I threw that out there to spark some discussion. This place is not the same.
A comment like that would have got 20 replies last year. Almost all of them ” al sucks so bad noone would coach here except a first rate loser like Kiffin” etc.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Another thing PH, Al thinks he won those 3 SB’s by doing just the oposite. NOT bringing in the TOP DOG HCs. He did it his “own” way with rejects and long shots. HIGH RISK FOOTBALL is the Al Davis way, and everything we have done the last 6 years has been high risk and it all back-fired. Thing is, Al is still playing high risk football, but now it seems his team is getting better. If the raiders win 7-8 games this year Al will think “HE” is on the right track. Nothing would change in that case, but it will also temp Al togo out and get another expensive Vet in FA to “take him over the top”. It is still classic Al Davis, always has and always will be.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:04 am
We would be talking about getting our 6th SB right now if we had found a way to snatch up Drew when SD let him go…. Damn, I wanted that guy. He’d be throwing touchdown passes to Calvin Johnson this week with the AFC west in shambles around him. Oh, man…. I remember how bummed I was seeing him availible, knowing Gannon was nearing the end and not doing it.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:09 am
#180) AZ
See, thats the kind of comments that count.
Great response AZ
That is pure Al and thats why he is playing the crap out of his rookies and youngsters. He has rebuilt this team in his image after easing off and letting scrubs destroy the team.
We are young and filled with playmakers. All Al needs to do is fill in a gap or three with a FA and pray JR becomes what we thought he was.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:11 am
AZ Raider,
The what-if game doesn’t work man. If Drew Brees was signed back then….maybe he becomes the man just like he is in New Orleans.
Maybe the Norv Turner can’t lead him….maybe the Raider offensive line doesn’t block for him….maybe the Bed-n-Breakfast ruins him.
Who knows? If Miami knew what it knows now, clearly they would have signed Brees over Culpepper right?
Leave that stuff in the rear view mirror. Our QB is JaMarcus Russell and he has some developing targets around him. And they will show you what is possible this afternoon!
September 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Plunketthead Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Heck it may be Holmgren but I hope we win 10 games and Cable stays. I was the first to buy a Cable jersey.
All I am saying is Al hates the past years as much as anyone. He wants results and he wants them yesterday. And it would not suprise me in the least if he has not talked to others about the possibility.
But more so then anything else I threw that out there to spark some discussion. This place is not the same.
A comment like that would have got 20 replies last year. Almost all of them ” al sucks so bad noone would coach here except a first rate loser like Kiffin” etc.
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There are certain things Al just wont do. Getting a “know it all” head coach, or the “sure thing” in any position, players and coaches alike. That is not the Raider mistique and in Als eyes, sacrilege… The minute I see Al let a 3-4 D be installed, is when I believe he might do something as un-raider as that.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:21 am
I have tried to talk about coaches in here many times. I have always said there is no such thing as a sure fire coach. Although Parcells, Bellichek, Coughlin will turn around programs and make them succesful.
I was never that big on Cowher but he is the biggest name out there.
Anyway my point always was that Al knows more then any of us about football and is good at picking coaches (untill recently). This is over the past few years when the trolls screaming for Al to die and to hire anyone but Cable or Kiff to caoch.
You and 4eva are right on Cable though.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:22 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 7:11 am
AZ Raider,
The what-if game doesn’t work man. If Drew Brees was signed back then….maybe he becomes the man just like he is in New Orleans.
Maybe the Norv Turner can’t lead him….maybe the Raider offensive line doesn’t block for him….maybe the Bed-n-Breakfast ruins him.
Who knows? If Miami knew what it knows now, clearly they would have signed Brees over Culpepper right?
Leave that stuff in the rear view mirror. Our QB is JaMarcus Russell and he has some developing targets around him. And they will show you what is possible this afternoon!
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I know its the past man, but dang… It would have been the classic Al Davis move at that point in time. I was just reflecting in relation to my other comments. I am aware of the current team and its direction.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Later folks
I am off to the lake with my four dirt weed doobies I rolled so I can too be a burner.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Good morning all. Can’t wait for the beatdown of the broncos today.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Back to high profile coaches:
I have 2 words…
Cowher
San Diego
(technically 3 words)
September 27th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Norv is out without a SB appearance this season. Mark it cause they aint coming close.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Morning nation,
It’s a good day to be a Raider today. oh btw, check this out from PFT
“In addition to kicking the tires on five wide receivers, the Patriots also had ex-Raiders DT Terdell Sands in for a look.”
Where are all these Belicheat worshippers at??????? LMAO
September 27th, 2009 at 7:43 am
But I put equal blame on Gannon and Callahan for not changing the snap counts But I put equal blame on Gannon and Callahan for not changing the snap counts.
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I agree Exla, the first quarter of that game should have been Sapp & S. Rice being called for jumping offsides every play or two.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Let’s see the Raiders donkey punch the Broncos & start them on their 6 game downward slide. Man, they have a tough schedule ahead, last year we started their skid to keep them out of the playoffs & Shanahan’s firing!!
Go Raiders!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Ah i have the worst hang over. Wheres 909 with them bloody marrys
September 27th, 2009 at 8:16 am
From PFT:Posted by Tom Curran on September 27, 2009 11:05 AM ET
If accuracy is the No. 1 measure of a quarterback’s effectiveness as a passer — and some very bright NFL minds believe it is — then the worst quarterback in the NFL right now is Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell.
Through two games, he’s completing passes at a 35 percent clip (19 for 54). The next worst completion percentage in the NFL belongs to the Rams Marc Bulger and he’s not even close to Russell (32 for 64, 50 percent).
With the Raiders hosting hated Denver today — Oakland’s third divisional game in as many weeks — the heat’s on the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 draft to make positive strides. Unfortunately for Russell, the Broncos have played surprisingly tough on defense through two weeks (one rushing touchdown allowed in eight quarters).
Writing in the Sacramento Bee, Paul Guttierez noted that on Friday afternoon, “the longest week of [Russell's] nascent professional career was coming to a merciful close.”
Gutierrez noted that Russell still appears heavier than his listed 260 pounds (”he resembles a much beefier man as he lumbers around”). Gutierrez also writes that, former Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon (not a fave in Raider nation), thinks Russell needs to drop weight so he can bend his knees better on his throws.
Meanwhile, Chiefs receiver Dwayne Bowe — a college teammate of Russell’s at LSU — said he suggested Russell spend an “extra houror focus to improve his game.” Bowe said Russell told him he’d “start that up.”
Wouldn’t one think that he’d have started that up long ago?
Either way, between outside analysis and diagnosis and the much-needed criticism applied this week by passing game coordinator Ted Tollner, the spotlight is squarely on Russell today.
And if he fails to improve over his work in the past two games, next week will feel even longer.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:21 am
mornin nation!!
can’t wait to see some donkey ass kickin!!
408 and wicked woodchucks looks like where the only teams at 2-0!!!!!!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 8:21 am
el dirty,
you goin down bro!!
September 27th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Am I gonna get on the board today? I’m at least favored according to yahoo. I’m not too confident.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:45 am
alisgod Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Morning nation,
It’s a good day to be a Raider today. oh btw, check this out from PFT
“In addition to kicking the tires on five wide receivers, the Patriots also had ex-Raiders DT Terdell Sands in for a look.”
Where are all these Belicheat worshippers at??????? LMAO
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lmfao
September 27th, 2009 at 8:51 am
sup tazz.. yep were 2-o but its a long season..
September 27th, 2009 at 8:58 am
yeah i know bro. 408 who you playin next?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:05 am
anyone know what online site to go to so i can watch game, i went to one site before but can’t remember
September 27th, 2009 at 9:15 am
First place in 7 and half hours!!!!!!
Please Jamarcus, don’t put me through that again this week.
PS….I got money on the Lions winning today, can they do it?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Big, channelsurfing.net
September 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I agree Murphy looks like a prime time WR already, but I don’t think we really know anything about DHB yet. He’s only a kid and was obviously nervous the first game, but he looked pretty good catching last week. Although I’d have a problem with Cable giving DHB more time than Murphy, it’s possible DHB will be as valuable or even more valuable than Murphy by season’s end.
Provided DHB continues to look decent it’s a good problem to have. I’d have to think a 3 WR set with Chaz, DHB and Murphy would worry defenses—assuming Jamarcus isn’t throwing balls at their feet all day.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
My ass was supposed to be out of Iraq last week, here I am missing week three and Denver at home. This bites.
Although, it’s just not the same with out hating on Shannahan, Sharp, Trevor Price, McCaffrey, TD, Rod Smith and the Old Horse head Elway.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Why do people make such a big deal out of the way Al Davis seized control of the Raiders? He had the other general partner in his corner, did it legally and, as always, everything was upheld in court. Or is it the forcing out of Valley, who brought him in in the first place, that people don’t like? Well, that happens sometimes. It’s like Brian Jones recruiting Mick Jagger and Keith Richards to be in the Rolling Stones, only to be kicked out of the band (his band!) by them a few years later. That’s life.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Nolan has Den playin DEFENSE this could be ugly if JaMeatloaf doesn’t focus!
CABLE keep Gradkowski warm!
September 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am
The following is spoken by a true juvenile.
You know, I commented about your mommy taking you to buy your Russell jersey, partly in jest, when you jumped on the bandwagon after one win. (No, we won’t relive the hilarity of YOU posting that “I’m off with Mom to get my jersey” as a silly attempt for acceptance as a fan, not realizing you proved you weren’t) but now I know I was dead on.
You just stated Herrera should “save his energy for a situation he’s forced to defend himself’??
AGAIN, HOW OLD ARE YOU?
WTF??
See, “big people”?? uh…in his case “older people” as you put him? They don’t usually read something someone said, and THEN GO ATTACK THEM. See, there’s this little thing called assault. Jails are full of those ’slow’ people, who realize thinking isn’t their forte’, who forgot to take their Adderall, who go and swing.
The good news?
They get Sunday visits.
The bad news? In many cases the other guy gets to beat the living hell out of him, legally, which means the peanut gets visits in the hospital, and then jail.
Now is when you try and act like you COULD take that swing..when you get older..and taller..and a little less..oh..let’s just say ‘chunky’.
How’s that extra small jersey fit ya? Still a little loose? Don’t worry, you’ll grow into it.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 12:49 am
My father always said that those who look for fights usually get them, and someday you’re going to meet your match. Herrera really does have a bully’s attitude. And he’s a little too old for it. And, let’s face it, small for it, physically. If this guy doesn’t learn to relax and to save his energy for a fist fight, or threat thereof, for a situation where he’s forced to defend himself or someone else who needs his help, he’s eventually going to run into someone who doesn’t have the civility of a Rich Gannon or Tim Kawakami, and Jerry’s going to be asking him what’s up with the black eye.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
TVs Anson Williams Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Why do people make such a big deal out of the way Al Davis seized control of the Raiders? He had the other general partner in his corner, did it legally and, as always, everything was upheld in court. Or is it the forcing out of Valley, who brought him in in the first place, that people don’t like? Well, that happens sometimes. It’s like Brian Jones recruiting Mick Jagger and Keith Richards to be in the Rolling Stones, only to be kicked out of the band (his band!) by them a few years later. That’s life.
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It’s not that Al was a snake in the grass, who managed to wrest control of the team, albeit in a underhanded way..IT’S THAT NOW HE HAS THE GALL TO WHINE LIKE A LITTLE CHILD ABOUT LOYALTY.
Al bit the hand that fed him..AND HE CROWED ABOUT IT.
He was proud of it.
You know..the ‘all fair in love and business’.
In other words, he’s a hypocrite for demanding everyone that EVERY WORKED FOR HIM TURN A BLIND EYE WHEN AL SCREWS THEM OR SOMEONE ELSE OVER.
He’s the poster child for “SNAKE IN THE STADIUM GRASS”
Karma’s a beyotch, lol..isn’t it, Al?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I agree Murphy is a great player and will continue to get better for us. I also believe he was more polished coming out of college than DHB. But, with patients, DHB will become the #1 Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson type player worth the #7 pick. He is so young and so raw but if you look at his skill set and the litle things he needs to tweak, you can see him for his potential.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I believe I can take the credit for waxing on how great Murphy is going to be as a rookie and how he’s going to be another Raider great.
No one listened, but I said it from day one. After the draft and before the first day of spring training, while everyone was either loving or hating on DHB, I was calling him the next Ricky Dudley.
I told you all Murphy would be the guy when the smoke cleared. It’s early, but I’ll say it again; Murphy is the next Tim Brown…somewhere Norco Bob is saying, “Eh, it must be cocktail hour!”
September 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am
coaching is key for WRs. See Jerry Rice for the proof.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
coaching and the WILL to learn I should say…
September 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Taz i play raidermight. Hes going down.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
TVs Anson Williams Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Why do people make such a big deal out of the way Al Davis seized control of the Raiders?
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Why do Davis followers make a big deal out of Gannon being disloyal to the Raiders? The very foundation of the Al Davis-owned Raiders is betrayal. Valley gave Davis an opportunity, just as Davis gave Gannon an opportunity. And like Gannon screwed Davis, Davis screwed Valley. That’s the only “big deal” I made out of Al’s acquirement of the Raiders. I was just pointing out the gross hypocrisy of Al and his followers having the gall to cry about disloyalty when Al wrote the book on it. Ask any of the surviving Valleys.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Is there a delayed showing of the game today? If so, what channel & time?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Richochet, too much anger, bud. Try again with less personal insults, and I might respond.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Im an Al Davis guy, but I also agree the Gannon stuff is BS, and that is a flaw of Davis. I also think Al has alot of upside as well. Mainly because he is consistant in his aproach which can be admired IMO. He does his thing. It can manifest SBs and can also manifest complete failure. Its Al Davis and high-risk football. If you play poker you’ll understand what that means. Die-hards see it, but often wont admit his flaws. Im a die-hard who can see both sides.
MR,
I know you are like me and love old school raider lore. You have intellegent posts, tho a bit harsh at times. I think you hold back a little on giving Davis credit, but i also think in your heart you see it similar to how i see it.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
you guys watched Sapp ALL OF THE SUDDEN praising the Raiders D line now. He talks about how great Kelly and the gang is after blasting them all this time. First it was Gannon and now Sapp. I aint falling for those dumba$$es.
Now marty praising us is something I take very seriously.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
let me add, that was on nfl network today that Sapp was raving about Kelly and the D line.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am
RaiderRobG, tell everyone what you do in Iraq, so they don’t get mislead into thinking you’re a soldier and start to feel sorry for you.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am
JB, if you live in the bay area market, you can stream it on NFL.com starting at midnight. I don’t know how they can tell rather or not you live in the bay area market, but that’s what they’re saying. They started doing that this year because of the economy. The NFL…so giving. God forbid they lift the blackout rule in this economic times. That would be social ism!
September 27th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Sapp is as insane as Davis… Pay no attention to public remarks from both.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Al Davis has 3 SBs to Sapps one. Thats how Al sees it, and me too LOL.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:15 am
“these economic times”, not “this”. I always say “this” when I mean “these”. I dyslexia got.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:16 am
OK, AzRaider. It’s our fault for just not “seeing” the attributes in a GM that’s failed for 6 years straight, and had just added a new, unnecessary distraction in a season that’s started off promising. Whatever, dude. Keep blaming the fans.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:22 am
AZRaider, while you’re probably right that fans who are loyal to Al, or, “hard core fans”, as you’ve referred to them, can see the positives in Al Davis, might I add to that the fact that those of us who aren’t loyal to Al Davis are capable of seeing how disastrous he is, while you guys are not.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:23 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
TVs Anson Williams Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Why do people make such a big deal out of the way Al Davis seized control of the Raiders?
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Why do Davis followers make a big deal out of Gannon being disloyal to the Raiders? The very foundation of the Al Davis-owned Raiders is betrayal. Valley gave Davis an opportunity, just as Davis gave Gannon an opportunity. And like Gannon screwed Davis, Davis screwed Valley. That’s the only “big deal” I made out of Al’s acquirement of the Raiders. I was just pointing out the gross hypocrisy of Al and his followers having the gall to cry about disloyalty when Al wrote the book on it. Ask any of the surviving Valleys.
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Point taken. But just for the record, not all ‘Davis followers’ make a big deal out of anything Gannon says or does. Next time you might consider writing ’some Davis followers,’ That is, if critical thinking matters at all to you.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:25 am
?????????????
Blame the fans? WTF?
6 losing seasons yes, but how many winning seasons prior? Football is a game of patience and developement. No doubt Al attemps at patching the team together after the SB loss were bad moves in retrospect, but it was all in good faith, which is the essence of raider lore. Faith is the long-shot! I didnt like what Al did in those 6 years, but I like what his intent was. There are orgs out there that are about making money, i.e., the old niners of the past few year until now. Im just saying Als trying to win, and win “his” way, yes, but win non-the-less. The Seymour pick-up, the Ellis pick-up, key after drafting all offensive skill positions for 3 years straight. I see the logic, or….Raider logic.
I dont blame the fans, i blame luck in a high-risk approach.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:28 am
AZRaider, I disagree. I don’t think Davis’s 6 years of failure were in “good faith”. He was prioritizing personal grudges over winning. That’s why Gruden was traded to begin with. Good faith gets you a couple of 9 win seasons in that 6 year span. Very little of what Al Davis has accomplished or failed at in life can be attributed to “good faith”.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Al Nation
Do you really think the world is sooooo pre-occupied with Al Davis, that they’re out to “get him”?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am
He didnt likke the coaches who questioned his strategy. And that says it all. The strategy is HIS. Any coach must buy in, or they are gone. Just like any good coach would do with a player. the player has to buy into what the coach is selling, or it will never work. The same proccess (when owned by a “football” mind), must take place.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Well, Anson, that’s a hair splitting nugget of wisdom. Thank you dearly. Not all Davis worshipers get excited when a former player criticizes the Raiders publicly. Just 99% of them. The other 1% are just drunk and haven’t woke up yet. Got ya.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:35 am
AZRaider, as I said, he prioritized personal grudges over winning. If a coache’s ideas bring us to victories and Al’s ideas don’t, then to use the clash of philosophies as an excuse to ship the coach out of town in in fact a personal grudge, and is not good will. The object of the game is winning. If that’s not Al’s goal, he doesn’t belong in the game. And, in the past 6 years, it hasn’t been his goal. It hasn’t been his goal since the end of the ‘00 season, when he refused to give Gruden a new contract. Since then, it’s been nothing but power struggles with Al, and the Raiders, despite seeing a couple of more good years under the regime that Gruden mostly put together, have suffered for it. They still suffer to this day from Al’s personal b.s. Here we are with a promising start, and Al creates this unnecessary, stupid distraction with the Gannon fiasco. Al is a cancer.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:40 am
# AZ Raider2 Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 10:25 am
“I dont blame the fans, i blame luck in a high-risk approach.”
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To those of us living in the real world, that means Al Davis.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:41 am
AZ, I didn’t see where Kiffin “didn’t believe in his players”. Now you’re just making stuff up to make Al seem remotely sane.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Could we win with Kiffins vision? I thought it was rediculously soft on game day. HE (Kiffin) didn’t believe in his players. When an owner sees that in his HC, the season is doomed anyways. Why not call cut your losses (as should be done when high risk fails) and get back to the drawing board for the next season. Kiffin was a joke and is prooving that in TENN. I’da given up 2 seasons to make sure that clown wasnt on the sidelines the next one. THAT move by Al, tho it hurt our win total last season was a good move in an effort to win in the future.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
AZ #233
I agree with you. But, when the Owner/Coach has had 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years, including an NFL record losing streak, you’d think the Owner would fire himself, no?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Hmmmmm. I seem to remember him starting some questionable WRs, and Justin Fargas. Attempting a 75 yd FG just to embarrass the org IMO. Bashing his own QBs ability…
You know what? That field goal attempt in itself was enough for me to see Kiffin had no intention of trying to win that game. If it wasnt so horrible to do, and i was Al Davis I’da hired a sniper to take Kiffin out on the sidelines after HT of that game.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
AZ Raider, goofy theories about Kiffin sabotaging the team are not going to make Al Davis seem noble. Just quit.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Bret Faverver looked sharp on his first drive.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:00 am
OK MR, I dont need the conversation, was just stating my points. Yours were made well, we dont need to continue…
September 27th, 2009 at 11:03 am
“Impossible for a competitive mind to give up.”
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Yeah, therein our dilemma. The delusional mind.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
KoolKell Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
AZ #233
I agree with you. But, when the Owner/Coach has had 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years, including an NFL record losing streak, you’d think the Owner would fire himself, no?
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Impossible for a competitive mind to give up. this is why I hate Kiffin. He gave up.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Absolutley not MR. Just that I respect your points, and have my own points that (by your responses) have gone without any credit from you. I cannot have a debate with someone who is as unmovable as you in regards to your stance on my opinions. It is nothing personal, and only Richochet gets a “shut up” from me.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Well, I guess I’ll leave after another drink.
I’m in sec 218 if anyone wants to stop by and say hello.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Are you telling me to shut up, AZRaider? Because if you are, I should remind you that you don’t have that kind of authority here, nor respect. You’re not one of the important people. So don’t even hint at other commenters that they need not “continue”, ok? If you’re done with the conversation, just be done and talk about something else. Don’t even make it seem like you’re telling me to shut up, ever. Got it?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:07 am
sapp is a punk azz he was all of a sudden praising the d-line
then he picked denver to win hes a biatch
September 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider AZRaider……………………..
I need to continue. What are you going to do about it, stupid little punk?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
408…
Stuff happened this a.m., had to fix my water heater at the crack of dawn.
Just made a double bloody mary, just a splash of V8 for color…lol
Let’s put a beat down on the rented Mules today!!
September 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Absolutley not MR. Just that I respect your points, and have my own points that (by your responses) have gone without any credit from you. I cannot have a debate with someone who is as unmovable as you in regards to your stance on my opinions. It is nothing personal, and only Richochet gets a “shut up” from me….
September 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
sapp will not last long on the network show.
espn is where they all want to be. he had to start on the nfl network which is where michael irvin went when he was let go deion sanders also when he was let go.
sapp started there he will be gone in a year or two and im glad hes a moron who cant even form proper sentences.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Tell you what, that Sanchez kid is looking pretty good for the NYJ’s, aside from the fumble and the near intercept, he’s doin good…..
Old grey-beard Collins is slinging it well also…
September 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
GAME DAY!!!!!!!!!! SEE YOU ALL IN THE STADIUM. EXPECT TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
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I need to continue. What are you going to do about it, stupid little punk
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Good points but a complete juvenial. Now Im a punk because my points were well stated LOL. This is why I wont continue to converse with you now.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:21 am
AZRaider, you addressed me first, in comment #219.
You didn’t just come in here to state your points. You addressed me, directly. Now you’re talking about not continuing. You’re the one that started it. That’s what girls do, you know? They start trouble with guys they don’t like, then when that guy responds, they coil up into a ball and wait for someone to come to their aid. That’s what you did today on this thread. Are you a woman, AZRaider? You act like it.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Mike Singletary has put his mark on the 49ers. Very tough minded-team.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Is this the day that Detroit wins a game? I would like to see Daniel Snyder’s reaction if they do.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Never said I didnt like you MR. YOU read that comment again and show me where I bashed you. I only pointed out my respect for alot of your intellegent posts and added my own. Then you follow it up with a gangload of unitellegent attacks. your not making a point for yourself here. Im not looking for people to hate here. It seems as tho you might be looking for a verbal confrontation. that wasnt my intent.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I made my points MR, why if you dont care to understand them would i continue? Ever heard of the phrase “talking to a brick wall”? I’ve never tried it but i can imagine it quite clearly now. Its not fun, and acomplished nothing.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
AZRaider, you addressed me, now you’re saying that you want to cut the conversation short (like you can’t just do that by merely letting it go yourself). You came in, addressed me, and are now trying to get the last word, with all of this “let’s not continue” stuff. You’re a woman. Period.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
AZ, why do you even address MR, he is what he has always been. Not a Raider fan or at best a disloyal Raider fan. I choose the former.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Madden Raider….your posts always hint that you want to become a girl
September 27th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I don’t want to be a girl, Earl. That’s why you don’t see me addressing people directly, then telling them to let it go when they respond, like this girl AZRaider did today.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:35 am
AZraider, I’m serious. Are you a woman?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
mr = juvenille
September 27th, 2009 at 11:38 am
lets go nation todays the day donkeys are done
i feel nnamdi is going to get a pick 6 i feel it
September 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Your the one getting worked up MR. Whos the woman here?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
hey kids new post
September 27th, 2009 at 11:41 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 11:35 am
AZraider, I’m serious. Are you a woman?
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I don’t want to be a girl, Earl. That’s why you don’t see me addressing people directly, then telling them to let it go when they respond, like this girl AZRaider did today.
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Looks pretty direct to me MR. You talk of contadictions all the time as being negative… Who’s lost it more convincingly, you or Al?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I don’t care if people here think I’m a juvenile. This is one of the most juvenile blogs on the internet, anyway. Just doing as the romans do.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am
AZRaider, you addressed me first today, comment 219. Go look it up. Then you started pretending to take the high road, only after you pick an argument with me. And, yes, I am addressing you. But Im not asking you to stop commenting. I say bring in the f on. that’s the difference between me and you, woman. Why’s a woman in here pretending to know anything about football? What does your husband do?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I don’t care if people here think I’m a juvenile. This is one of the most juvenile blogs on the internet, anyway. Just doing as the romans do.
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Spoken like a true advocate of repetition in failure. A Kiffin goo-roo for sure. Keep the negative negative, the rich rich and the poor poor. LOL, and all the political hogwash you spew in here has been erased by you own comments. Im out…
Just win baby!
9-7!
DRINK IT!
September 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
AZRaider, I thought you were going to let it go? One last “last word”, huh? Drama queen.
And, I agree, we will be 9-7.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
248. RMR is an important person here. You know? It’s just not a family gathering unless your retarded cousin is present. Way to represent RMR!
October 4th, 2009 at 8:31 am
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