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Postgame wrap

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, September 27th, 2009 at 7:45 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News, notes, quotes and analysis from the Raiders’ 23-3 loss to Denver Sunday at the Coliseum:

– Raiders coach Tom Cable said he never considered taking JaMarcus Russell out of the game and wouldn’t speculate about replacing him in the future if the quarterback continues to struggle.

“I just feel like we have to keep moving forward, trying to figure out what is going to help him be at his best,” Cable said.

Cable took the blame for Russell’s first interception, having him throw the ball out of his own end zone.

“I thought we could get them in a single-high safety and they bailed out to a two and Darrius fell down on that,” Cable said. “The bottom line is I could have called a better play.”

Former Raider Renaldo Hill intercepted that one. The second pick, to Andre Goodman, “was just an overthrow.”

– According to Russell, both plays should have been ruled pass interference. He said Heyward-Bey was “turned in” by a defender which resulted in what Cable said was an overthrow.

No flag was thrown on the first interception because by officials are not supposed to throw flags when receivers and defensive backs get their feet tangled.

– Asked about the booing Russell received, Cable said, “We have to play better. These fans deserve a better football team than what we showed today. How do they handle that? Obviously you hope it ticks them off and they deal with it the right way, they put more attention to the details during the week, that we demand more from them during the week and we play better on Sunday.”

– When asked if he was satisfied by his progression as an NFL quarterback, Russell said, “I am, but when you get tough looks like that, and a tough crowd, hey it’s the NFL, you have continue to progress yourself in becoming the person that you want to be.

“I know I’m not there yet. I know that. The best thing for myself is to keep preparing for Day 1 and go out and I’m going to keep on playing, until coach, we decide what we’re going to do, as far as, find a way, from coach on down until the last guy on the roster. We have to find a way to make ourselves better.

– My Web exclusive column about how the Raiders came up so small.

– Anyone seen a pass rush lately? Quarterback Kyle Orton (13-for-23, 157 yards) was not sacked and was not hurried.

“He sat back there all day. I don’t know that he was hurried more than once or twice,” Cable said. “Had some pressure there in the second half that was not getting there, where he would get the ball out on time. I thought they did a great job being able to stay on the field by running the football to keep them out of those situations.”

True enough. The Broncos hammered away with 45 rushes for 215 yards, which does a lot to soften up pressure.

– Pretty disturbing that with everything on the line Sunday _ a potential 2-1 start against the AFC West _ that Cable and Nnamdi Asomugha both cited a poor Friday practice as clue that the Raiders simply weren’t ready as they should have been.

“You win it before the game even starts,” Asomugha said. “Because you know what the team is going to do. You know how to attack them. You know how to play defense against them. I think those are the types of things we have to shore up and get better at. And then winning takes care of itself at that point.”

– Just as distrubing _ Denver is 3-0 but could fall to earth rather quickly over the next five games against Dallas, New England, San Diego, Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

Say this for the the Broncos _ Josh McDaniels has established a discernable scheme and style of play and tailored it to throttle the Raiders in every area.

As far as its stingy defense, keep in mind Denver’s last two opponents have been Cleveland and Oakland, two of the worst offenses in the NFL. It’s not like Mike Nolan has re-invented the Ravens in Denver.

– Running back Darren McFadden fumbled three times, losing one, and had 48 yards rushing and receiving on 15 touches as he he awaits the sort of breakout game which has been missing ever since his Week 2 rookie performance against Kansas City.

McFadden was long gone by the time the media came into the locker room, but did show up on a post-game quote sheet compiled by the P.R. staff.

“It was a rough day for us, just one of those days when we couldn’t get things done,” McFadden said.

Guess they forgot to ask about the fumbles.

– Defensive end Richard Seymour wasn’t interested in discussing his 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty against offensive tackle Ryan Clady, and some heavy-handed action by the P.R. staff made sure Seymour didn’t answer any questions about anything else, either.

Santa Rosa Press Democrat columnist Lowell Cohn approached Seymour and asked, “That particular penalty, I wonder if I could trouble you to tell me what happened.”

“Did you see the game?,” Seymour said.

Cohn said he saw the game and asked if the penalty was a “mistake.”

“Wasn’t no mistake,” Seymour said.

Cohn asked Seymour why he did it, and Seymour said, “Get out of here.”

At that point, public relations staffer Mike Taylor terminated the interview and said Seymour wasn’t talking to anyone about anything. He later came to the press box and told Cohn that before he stepped on the grounds again his paper would have to deal with him “inciting the players.”

Inciting, as in, “I wonder if I could trouble you to tell me what happened.”

Look this wasn’t Seymour’s proudest moment, and everyone does something they regret. But it seemed a little out of character for a guy whose reputation was as a leader who would inspire his teammates to greater heights.

– Javon Walker was inactive again as Russell threw seven passes to rookie starters Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey, with Murphy catching two for 25 yards and Heyward-Bey zero.

“All I know is I go out, I practice, I’m always the other team’s number one receiver,” Walker said. “This week I was Brandon, next week, going into Houston obviously, I’m going to be Andre Johnson.

“So, that’s how I get my work in and I give these guys a good look. I just let the staff and the organization make the decisions on however they want to make them.”

– Players that didn’t finish the game were cornerback John Bowie (an MCL issue to the left knee of unknown severity), Michael Huff (rib, quad) and Mike Mitchell (thumb). Defensive end Greg Ellis was still slumped in a chair with ice bag on his left shoulder after many teammates and already showered, dressed and departed.

– Rookie wide receiver Louis Murphy was on the field laughing and joking acquiantences on the Broncos following the game, but was declining all postgame interview requests.

– Saw Rich Gannon when I was coming off the elevator and he was getting on. We exchanged greetings, and he went up to the TV booth and did not come out. A member of a local radio crew tried to get in to talk with someone else in the booth and was told all non-essential personnel weren’t allowed in the booth and that it was a “high-alert” situation.

– The attendance of 45,602 was the lowest since a 44,594 crowd against the New York Giants on Dec. 31, 2005 in the regular-season finale with Kerry Collins at quarterback. That was 25 home games ago.

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  • Brien the General

    Tell me MR how my comments are racist

  • los raiders de don rober

    DHB is a waste, a sad millionaire waste. Should try out for the bobsled team or something, cause this here football aint his thing. I’m hoping we play turf soon cause the grass is having a tackling party on McFadden, jeesh, tie your shoelaces or something, why the hell does he fall down without a touch 50% of the time?…Jama has no clue, look at his face in the bench, he’s not on the phone or looking at pictures, or talking to a coach, or anything….dammn!

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Oh, ok, Brien. You just proved it. Never mind. I mean, you told me to ask the bartender at Rickey’s if Brien is black. Wow. Showed me.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Remember the tale about Janormous hosting Fats Domino during Katrina?

    I thought that story showed he had some grit. Instead we learn his apartment was the only place in town left unlocked…

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien, go to East Oakland and exaggerate Russell’s accent the way you are in here, and they’ll explain to you why it’s racist. If I were you, I’d make sure there’s a cop nearby. Although that might not do you much good, either. Could be someone like Lovelle Mixon in the crowd.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Well, sec 218 are great seats. Otherwise, f’d up day.

    Brien etal, I guess you’re right. Russell looks like a bust. I noticed he sat by himself on the bench. I didn’t see any coaches with him. Are all those guys in the booth?

  • Brien the General

    MR, I have lived in the south and like most black people from California my whole family is from the south. Be mad all you want about me mocking how Russell talks but am I lying? Guy is a stumbling bumbling idiot who doesn’t give a damn. I have family members who are just like him. Talented as all hell but dont give a damn about anything.

  • weaselbit

    Dude just can’t throw straight.

    The question is……..will he ever??

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    What we need is a coach that players respect (Dungy type) or fear (Cowher type).

    Most of the players are like children, they need to be guided and prodded along, and they will take advantage of weakness when they sense it. All the players know Cable is just Al’s puppet that doesn’t have the credentials to coach a lower division college team let alone an NFL team, and they also know that if push comes to shove Cable will go before any of the talented players go.

    Sooooooooo, we pretty much are screwed until Al can convince a decent HC to come to town and empower that HC with the ability to crush the hopes and dreams of players when they don’t perform up to expectations.

    Just my humble opinion.

  • Brien the General

    # KoolKell Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Well, sec 218 are great seats. Otherwise, f’d up day.

    Brien etal, I guess you’re right. Russell looks like a bust. I noticed he sat by himself on the bench. I didn’t see any coaches with him. Are all those guys in the booth?
    ************************

    Yeah Kell I was in 228. You shoulda came by and said hello OG. Yeah Kell it was bad yesterday. all isnt lost Kell. You living a luxurious comfortable life so I guess you are alright. Coaches? LOL really.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien, I don’t think you’re black. Maybe you are, but I doubt it. And, no, I’m not going to go to Rickey’s, and ask “Tina” if there’s a guy there named Brien, and if he’s black. I’m only going by what I’m reading in here. And, again, if you went to Oak Park mocking Russell’s accent the way you are in here, they’d beat you down. You can always give it a try. Put it on youtube, too. Although, you’d reveal to us you’re white if you did that. But it’s not like we didn’t know it anyway.

  • Brien the General

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Oh, ok, Brien. You just proved it. Never mind. I mean, you told me to ask the bartender at Rickey’s if Brien is black. Wow. Showed me.
    *******************

    Sorry for giving you some examples that can verify things MR. What else am I suppose to do. I have offered for you to meet me and such but you always decline.

  • Brien the General

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Brien, go to East Oakland and exaggerate Russell’s accent the way you are in here, and they’ll explain to you why it’s racist. If I were you, I’d make sure there’s a cop nearby. Although that might not do you much good, either. Could be someone like Lovelle Mixon in the crowd.
    ***********************

    Um you idiot people in the town always make fun of brothas from the south. See now you dont know what you are talking about. I dont fuk with cops not my job. I was at the game MR, clowning Russell all day and the coliseum has many black folks and they were dying laughing at my Russell accent

  • Brien the General

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Brien, I don’t think you’re black. Maybe you are, but I doubt it. And, no, I’m not going to go to Rickey’s, and ask “Tina” if there’s a guy there named Brien, and if he’s black. I’m only going by what I’m reading in here. And, again, if you went to Oak Park mocking Russell’s accent the way you are in here, they’d beat you down. You can always give it a try. Put it on youtube, too. Although, you’d reveal to us you’re white if you did that. But it’s not like we didn’t know it anyway.
    *****************

    Please Oak Park bruhs would laugh and say “N-gga you crazy.”

  • LA to TheBay

    MR

    I gotta agree with you.

    This has Al written all over it.
    ******************************************************
    AL: Timmy!

    CABLE: Uh, it’s Tom, Mr. Davis.

    AL: Right, right. Listen, that wide re- did you bring my juice?

    CABLE: Juice? Mr. Davis, I’m not sure wha-

    AL: Christ, where is Herrera? He knows I like my juice at 3:00 PM PROMPTLY, right before my nap. For such a useless sack, he sure knows how to fluff a pillow and change a bedpan and he always brings my juice. I might as well make him head coach, Tony, he’d at least be getting that ball downfield!

    CABLE: Sigh, Mr. Davis, I have the gameplan for tomorrow’s game, as you requested.

    AL (Flipping through pages): What is this crap? Your first 15 plays are 7 run and 6 pass? Mindless fool. Don’t you realize today’s game is centered around the vertical game? The Big Play?

    CABLE: I think this will provide some balance. As you know, I wanted Fargas as our #1, as he runs with a lot of intensity, but you said you wanted McFadden featured, so-

    AL: McFadden sells jerseys, you twit! He’s versatile and will make the Big Play.

    CABLE: Well, all the same, I think he’s having trouble getting to the second level and I’m real concerned about his ability to hold on to the ball.

    AL: Get him some stickem, Ron! Do you have my juice?

    CABLE: Mr. Davis, I really think we should have this offense run through Fargas and Mike Bush, because even though he wasn’t really cooperative when asked to play fullback, he really bailed us out last year in Tampa.

    AL: I told you never to speak the “T” word, fool!

    (Tosses the gameplan into the wastebasket)

    AL: Just throw the damn ball, John! Why do you think I got that big-armed quarterback? He’s the next LaMonica. He’s got the fastest wide receiver in the draft so just have him throw it to that kid.

    CABLE: Well Mr. Davis, I think that Murphy is our best-

    AL: I’m not paying you for your evaluation, you simpleton, I’m paying you to put MY gameplan into effect. Here.

    (Al hands Cable a cocktail napkin with the words “GO DEEP” scrawled in crayon).

    AL: Now tell Marshall to get in here, we gotta talk about this silly “zone” concept of his. Hah. You idiots know nothing of football. If I didn’t intimidate all the so-called “good” head coaches, you’d still be calling plays at USC.

    CABLE: Mr. Davis, that was -

    AL: HERRERA! JUICE! It’s impossible to get good help these days.

  • socalraider430

    Chemistry w/Chaz is going to be off, he’s the #1 WR, (should be) Walker #2, and Murphy #3, DHB…well, not starting!!

  • andrew33

    There is no course of action but patience right now. Although Jamarcus Russell could very well be the guy that takes from Ryan Leaf the mantle of being known as the biggest bust ever, the Raiders are a lousy team and no knee-jerk changes are going to fix that. Give Russell the rest of the season, hope for the best, and then re-evaluate the position if needed. The problem is the modern Raiders must re-evaluate under a different set of rules than nearly any other organization in professional sports.

    It is foolish to waste another draft pick on a young QB and try to develop him; the facilities are simply not in place to succeed. Barring gross overpayment for their services (see Kelly, Tommy and Walker, Jevon) no legitimate established player will sign here as a FA. Even at that, many players would still take less money to play elsewhere. Unless they are not given that option (see Seymour, Richard).

    It isn’t often that a legit starting QB such as a Cutler becomes available for trade. Add to this that any player traded for will likely be unhappy that he has been traded to NFL purgatory (see again Seymour, Richard), yet another dimension that is nearly unique to the Raiders.

    That leaves the free agent signing of or trading for a journeyman QB as the primary method of injecting talent at the position, QBs that have no legitimate shot at a starting gig elsewhere (Derek Anderson? Tarvaris Jackson?) that will come to the Raiders out of desperation in hopes of reviving a career, taken with the hope that they pan out against the odds. Not exactly a recipe for success.

  • DKnight007

    One more half to see if Russell can step it up….otherwise better put Gradkowski in the next game if Russell can’t get it done.

    But then again….Cable and Tollners offensive game planning STINK to HIGH HEAVEN!!

  • http://theviruscarries.com drowningboy
  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien, the reason I mocked your whole Rickey’s thing is because it wouldn’t verify anything. There is no possible way of you verifying it. Unless, of course, you want to tape yourself going into a black neighborhood and mocking Russell’s accent. But, you won’t do it. Because you know you’ll get your ass kicked.

  • Brien the General

    MR, some of that white guilt flowing deep in ya huh? It is all in your posts, especially when you defend that Obama guy and talk about other white republicans and such lol

  • VanHeathen

    Can Al get a tax write off for JaMarcus’s pay? I mean at this point he’s like a donateable charity or a dependent.
    Jammy, you’re breaking this team, it’s fans and finances.
    Seems like agood week for a ‘mysto’ injury during practice, to give him a week to “get right”.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien, if you’re black, they probably would just say you’re crazy and laugh it off. But I doubt any of them spend as much time as you do on the internet making fun of black people. Even black people would think it’s bizarre the way you mock Russell. They have a name for black people like you, Brien. But of course, this is assuming you’re black. I still think you’re a white boy using the whole “i’m black” act to get away with making racial slurs.

  • JB

    There have been a lot of great physical specimens who tried to make it at the QB position. Generally speaking, they were mediocre or failed. Good/great QB’s require a level of intelligence so that they can multitask, quickly evaluate defenses, implement alternative plays based on what they see, and most of all perform the functions of the team leader. JaBeefRoll is a large specimen but, based on what I’ve seen and heard from him, he appears not to have a minimum requisite level of intelligence. That could easily explain his poor performance when it has come to learning the total playbook, being able to recognize defenses and calling the necessary audibles to defeat the defense, performing the basics of the leadership position. To make matters worse, he appears to be unmotivated and unconcerned with his poor performance. He really comes across as too dumb to recognize how bad he really is. We’ve seen the level of work ethic required to be a great QB – witness Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. They work their asses of in film study and practice. Steve Young, a HOF QB said mastering the QB position was harder than successfully completing law school – which he has done. Does anyone really think JaBeefRoll has the mental acquity to master this position – I think not. He’s got a strong arm but unfortunately that’s it. The rest of the tool box is empty – except for a $32 million dollar checking account.

    A famous saying says it all – “What, Me worry”. I think NOT.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien the General Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    MR, some of that white guilt flowing deep in ya huh?

    …….

    Spoke it like a racist white guy.

  • Raider Headbutt

    weaselbit he scored average i beleive but it sure not showing in games

  • Crow

    So…wait. It’s racist to state the simple fact that Russell talks like he has half a cheeseburger in his mouth and makes no sense even when you CAN understand him?

    GTFO with that BS.

  • JB

    Dakota Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    What we need is a coach that players respect (Dungy type) or fear (Cowher type).

    Most of the players are like children, they need to be guided and prodded along, and they will take advantage of weakness when they sense it. All the players know Cable is just Al’s puppet that doesn’t have the credentials to coach a lower division college team let alone an NFL team, and they also know that if push comes to shove Cable will go before any of the talented players go.

    Sooooooooo, we pretty much are screwed until Al can convince a decent HC to come to town and empower that HC with the ability to crush the hopes and dreams of players when they don’t perform up to expectations.
    **************************

    Never going to happen as long as AD is in charge. There are two main reasons:
    1. Successful NFL coaches are leaders and are in-charge. That can’t happen in Oakland with AD.
    2. AD won’t relinquish control to anyone – ever.

    Not wha you wanted to hear but that’s the way it’s been, the way it is and the way it will be.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien, I know a lot of black people. Guess how many times I’ve heard a black person use the words “white guilt”, in my entire life? 0. Not once. I’ve only heard white republicans say that.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    MR, must it always be racist to mention the intellectual shortcomings of a black person? Any ethnically-neutral observer would doubtless conclude that Russell was not, um… well-served by the Mobile, Alabama and Louisiana State school systems.

  • UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER

    javon walker = marcus allen treatment

  • Crow

    So…wait. It’s racist to state the simple fact that Russell talks like he has half a cheeseburger in his mouth and makes no sense even when you CAN understand him? Say wuh?

    GTFO with that BS.

  • Raider Headbutt

    The only time you are going to see the Raiders in the playoffs before Al dies is if you play Madden. And even then you need to be good to use them lol

  • UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER

    oakglenn

    if not frye or gradowski what would you suggest. i mean we cannot stick with JaPoatroast thats obvious.

    our defense is going to give up points when the offense is cont. going 3 and out and throwing 1st down int’s

    something has to be done it’s a good thing we do not play detroit this year.

  • Crow

    So…how come my posts aren’t showing up?

  • Brien the General

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Brien, the reason I mocked your whole Rickey’s thing is because it wouldn’t verify anything. There is no possible way of you verifying it. Unless, of course, you want to tape yourself going into a black neighborhood and mocking Russell’s accent. But, you won’t do it. Because you know you’ll get your ass kicked.
    ***********************

    Reach job of the 2009! How about we tape when you and I meet up. Didn’t you say going to the Raider games were your job? Why dont you kick my ass?

  • weaselbit

    You’re right JB.
    He just doesn’t seem smart.
    All of the great qb’s were smart.
    Wasn’t he the one that did real bad on the qb intelligence test before the draft?

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # DKnight007 Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    One more half to see if Russell can step it up….otherwise better put Gradkowski in the next game if Russell can’t get it done.
    ================================================

    Gradkowski is not going to get it done. He was a very late pick that Gruden gave up on, and even Cleveland waived. In the couple of plays he played for us, he did a nice job of moving the team backwards. I can do that.

  • Brien the General

    MR, you know alot of black people lol. Sure you do. Through all those rap songs and TV shows you sure know us lol

  • weaselbit

    # UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    javon walker = marcus allen treatment

    Weaselbit:

    When did Walker even remotely accomplish anything close to Marcus Allen?
    That comparison makes no sense.

  • DKnight007

    What did I say all freakin week long leading up to the game??

    They would need to RUN the freakin football from the start of the game with DMC and Bush and establish the tempo….run some mis direction plays…..implement the WILDCAT…throw some bubble WR screens….to attempt to HIDE their weaknesses and confuse the Donks in the beginning of the game….since Russell is struggling.

    And guess what happens PREDICTABLY?!?

    Cable and Tollner come out and do the complete freakin OPPOSITE and come out passing with intermediate and deep low percentage plays and forcing the issue instead of sticking with the freakin running game and high percentage passes!!

    Then Russell quickly throws two INTS and the game is pretty much over before it began!

    Utter IDIOCY!!

    Stupid uncreative game plan and with that crappy game plan….came crappy execution!

    At least I won 300 bucks on the Raiders losing!

    I had a feeling something stupid would happen….and it did!

    Cornell Green SUCKS by the way….like what we have been saying for the past two years of course!

    Once again….KARMA bites the old stubborn man Al Davis in the a$$ once again by acting like a jacka$$ to one of the best players the Raiders have had the last 10 years and who was part of building the team into a winner!

    Without Gannon….the Raiders would have NEVER been a winning team for four years and would have never gone to the playoffs or Super Bowl!!

    I can’t stand Al Davis how he has completely RUINED this franchise!

    What a SICK JOKE!

  • Brien the General

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Brien the General Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    MR, some of that white guilt flowing deep in ya huh?

    …….

    Spoke it like a racist white guy.
    ************************

    Hey, I know a lot of white people and I hear them say this all the time whether Dem or Rep. Reaching again

  • http://the-best-of-metal.blogspot.com/2008/04/dark-funeral-teach-children-to-worship.html Elvis

    Seriously sick of the mod in here banning my IP

    I am changing my loyalty to PFT if Jerry is going to be such a sensitive little girl about every comment made towards him.

  • Brien the General

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    MR, must it always be racist to mention the intellectual shortcomings of a black person? Any ethnically-neutral observer would doubtless conclude that Russell was not, um… well-served by the Mobile, Alabama and Louisiana State school systems.
    ******************
    It has nada to do with Alabama or Lousiana. It has to do with him not giving a damn

  • weaselbit

    Hard to explain Gannon’s sudden downfall.
    Gives the SB away.
    Then the next year he’s one of the worst in the nfl.

  • Crow

    Oh…there they are. Nevermind.

  • Brien the General

    # weaselbit Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    # UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    javon walker = marcus allen treatment

    Weaselbit:

    When did Walker even remotely accomplish anything close to Marcus Allen?
    That comparison makes no sense.
    *********************

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Brien, I hardly listen to rap at all anymore, and I never watch music videos. Are they even on anymore? Keep reaching, whitey.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
    September 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    javon walker = marcus allen treatment
    ========================================

    Actually not. One of the big feuds between Davis and Kiffin was Davis wanted his young receivers to get playing time to advance the team more quickly. Kiffin opted for Ron Curry (out of league), Ashley Lelie (out of league) and Javon Walker (should be out of league). Once the young players (Higgins/Shilens) started to perform so did the offense. Davis figures the best way to get this show on the road quickly is by letting Murphy/Shilens/DHB develop instead of going with guys like Jivin and Jeff Garcia.

  • raideredoutL.A.

    was that a “russell sucks” chant i heard around the 3rd quarter? i’m emotionally scarred from watching these games year after year.