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Still wait and see on Cable-Hanson

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, September 29th, 2009 at 7:22 am in Oakland Raiders.

With any luck, the whole Tom Cable-Randy Hanson story will reach some kind of conclusion soon, but that’s not the way to bet.

Weeks after the story of an altercation broke, we have Hanson’s attorney identifying Cable as the attacker (as had been reported with unnamed sources as well as speculated) which left the defensive assistant with a broken jaw.

According to attorney John McGuinn, as reported by Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network, it’s a “textbook case of felony assault,” and he goes on to say that Raiders defensive backs have been communicating with Hanson on the sly and hints that his client is partially responsible for a good opening game against San Diego.

The key phrase, of course, is “his client.”

It’s a lawyer’s job to make a case, just as it’s the job of a Raiders executive to belittle Rich Gannon if that is what the boss wants. So if the Raiders do make a statement in the near future, it’s not worth much unless it’s accompanied by the information that says either the case is closed or charges are being filed.

Fact is, we’re only slightly closer to the truth than a few weeks ago.

Hanson, according to the report, didn’t speak to Napa authorities until Friday regarding an event that took place Aug. 5 and was recognized by the Napa P.D. via its Web site on Aug. 21. The story was leaked weeks ago, an initial salvo fired by one side or the other interested in bringing the matter to some kind of resolution.

Hanson’s story still has to be found credible enough for a district attorney to press charges. Frankly, the claim that Cable broke his jaw seems more likely than the McGuinn’s assertion that Raiders defensive backs have been reaching out for Hanson’s help in his absence.

Listen to Raiders defensive backs for more than a few minutes _ particularly cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha _ and they’ll tell you playing in the secondary for the Raiders is not a complicated job. Mostly man-to-man responsibilities, a single-high safety . . . primarily the kind of “our players are better than your players” defense Al Davis is known for favoring and the philosophy espoused by John Marshall since he took over for Rob Ryan (who, not coincidentally, had the same philosophy).

When the story first became public, some defensive backs said they didn’t know Hanson was missing. Others said they assumed he was working back in Alameda. He was identified as a “defensive assistant,” and wasn’t the defensive backs coach, the job held by Lionel Washington, with Willie Brown also having considerable influence.

So let’s say I’m a little skeptical Hanson has been tutoring from a distance without the Raiders knowledge, or that the story is at least a little exaggerated. All that is missing is for McGuinn to say Hanson was only responsible for how the defense played in Week 1 up to, but not including, the final defensive sequence.

Correction

– Thanks to e-mailer Carlo Grossman, who recognized the error in identifying the Raiders attendance of 45,602 against Denver as the lowest since the 2005 regular season finale against the New York Giants. The Raiders actually drew just 43,687 for last year’s 27-16 win over Houston at the Coliseum on Dec. 21.

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  • 4evaRaider

    Man Yo

  • RaiderRockstar

    Hanson was punched “for cause” !

  • BadMoodGuy

    Cable Bumaye!

  • weaselbit

    On any other team, this game coming up would be Jawalrus’ last chance.

  • LA to TheBay

    Repost:

    If we see the same ridiculous offense in Houston and the same vanilla defense with no punch, then yes, we’re fuked.

    If we hit them in the mouth like we did SD, we’ll stay competitive.

    It’s a young team and losing doesn’t bother me as much as quitting. If you see the team start quitting, you’ll know we’re doomed.

    All that being said, I think even as stubborn as the old man is, they’ll put somethng together to win.

    I like the way Cable called plays last season, or at least near the end. If his fake FG works, he gets all the praise in the world. Because it didn’t he’s the goat. That’s sports.

    If that DB holds on to the ball last night, Romo makes a horrible throw into coverage and he’s the goat. Because the ball glanced off the DB’s hands and into a Cowboy’s for the catch, Romo made a ‘brilliant’ throw into a tight window.

    Point is, Al needs to let Cable do his thing. Cable already knows to get the ball to McFadden, so it’s not as if he’s waiting til the 2nd quarter or half to get him involved (and we saw how that turned out on Sunday).

    You guys have some real short memories. Go back and watch last two games of the season. Smart, high percentage plays. Lots of running.

    Bush is the key. Too bad he didn’t get picked at #4 and doesn’t get paid as much as McFadden, otherwise we know who’d be the workhorse.

  • LA to TheBay

    RRS

    You can’t blame Russell entirely for the lack of success for DHB and Murphy.

    Russell made Chaz at Z and Higgins at X look pretty good. He wasn’t overthrowing them. He was right on the money in most cases. DT42 called it yesterday when he said they ruined Russell’s progress with messing with his mechanics and calling awful plays. Terrible. I could go through a thesaurus. You get the idea.

    When the offensive gameplan is two words long, tough to get anyone going.

    “Go deep” will not get it done.

    You guys see Jason Garrett’s offense last night? Not too flashy, but smart. High percentage. Run the ball. Matchups.

  • Nnamdi21

    Wishbone: Offensive

  • Nnamdi21

    Rockstar: Highlarious!

  • hwnrdr

    Ok, Who cares about Hanson…
    You’re right Rockstar…Hanson got punched for cause!!! LMAO!!! Also, Russell should get punched for cause by the Defense!!!

  • weaselbit

    Now I got that stupid song in my head…..

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    hwnrdr Says:
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Funny…Sands is signed by New England…haha!

    Why :?: would anyone name their kid Terdel :oops:

  • LA to TheBay

    Jake’s WRs didn’t give him any help last night either.

  • hwnrdr
  • wishbone

    Please tell me why the word monkey offends you Weasel? If I called him JaWalrus it wouldn’t sound as funny and then I couldn’t use the song. The Monkees didn’t mind being called monkeys. They said they like to monkey around. So why are you offended? A monkey is a highly intelligent animal, but they enjoy playing around and have a short attention span. Some of them are probably even a little overweight. So why would you be offended for me calling him JaMonkey? And please DO NOT try to bring race into this. This has nothing to do with anyones skin color or their race. This has to do with JaMarcus being a fat, lazy, filthy rich, spoiled moron of a quarterback.

  • hwnrdr

    Moderators on the job this morning, huh?

  • hwnrdr

    Just asking…would you guys want Andrew Walter back?

  • 4evaRaider

    hwnrdr Says:
    September 29th, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Funny…Sands is signed by New England…haha!
    ************************************************************

    This is just another example,4 the whole world 2C that Cable is correct when he says we are just not exacuting properly.The nfl is full of X-Raiders going some where else and being sucessfull.It used 2B “other” players would come here and find success.

    Exacuting entails 11 guys doing there job responsibilty in unison respective of their own positions.That only happens when you practice over and over and over again.

    That being said,we are a VERY young team on offence and the offence is gonna put our defence in a bad way a number of times untill,you guessed it,they have practiced TOGETHER 4A certain amount of time.We have had no continuity 4A while now.

    It’s just gonna take more time,how long???who knows.Soo in the mean time PRACTICE…PRACTICE…PRACTICE

  • wishbone

    I’d rather have Andrew Jones the center fielder as QB.

  • Raider Headbutt

    I was thinking about this last night. Yes the play calling is an issue but what else do you expect the coaches to call when you have 8-9 in the box. The last 2 teams we played wanted Russel to beat them knowing that is they way to beat us…well as you saw he clearly didn’t beat Denver but came out with a W against KC.

    If he can show he can complete those easy passes it will open up the field so we don’t just have to “go deep”. At this point our RBs are gonna keep getting pounded because they have no holes with a thrown together Oline.

  • LA to TheBay

    RRS

    Your numbers mean nothing without listing the number of starts those guys got.

    Higgins has dropped way down the depth chart because they don’t want him as receiver primarily, they want him returning kicks.

    They want DHB catching 50 yard bombs.

    Watch the games, I’m telling you. When they took Miller away, Chaz was there. When they took Chaz away, Miller or Higgins was there.

    Don’t look at stats for 2 games and apply them to a whole season.

    What they did vs. Houston and in Tampa WORKED. Hell, look at the game in Denver, Russell 10/11 and a TD. Not BS numbers, either, good reads and good throws.

    They messed with a good thing, and now Russell is the goat.

    You guys need to look closer. Russell isn’t the problem. Would I want Brees or Manning? Of course. Would they be able to succeed here with this scheme? Of course not.

  • RaiderRockstar

    You can’t blame Russell entirely for the lack of success for DHB and Murphy.

    Russell made Chaz at Z and Higgins at X look pretty good.

    ***

    Disagree strongly. Higgins has 28 catches in 2 years. Then none in 2 games healthy/active this year.

    Schilens had 15 catches last year. Walker: 15 as well

    Russell hasn’t made ANYBODY look good. In fact, one could argue that without Zach Miller he’d be on the bench already. Thats how much his Pro Bowl calibur TE has bailed him out in 19 starts.

    Heyward-Bey & Murphy might be studs if they had a solid QB at the helm.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 29th, 2009 at 8:14 am

    Russell hasn’t made ANYBODY look good.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    He has made Southwick look like a HOFer.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Headbutt: it’s hard for ANY o-line to produce a dominant rushing attack with 8-9 in the box. The Lions & 49ers contained Adrian Peterson the past 2 weeks that way…

    the blueprint for beating the Raiders is easy. run the ball & stop the run. They know Russell isn’t going to beat them with his arm and they aren’t willing to risk throwing at Nnamdi, Huff or CJ. If it’s a passing play find the mismatch. LB on a WR or Routt on just about anybody …

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota was wrong about DMAC. I demand satisfaction.

  • hwnrdr

    or Routt on just about anybody …

    That just about sums it up…
    Think about it: KC would have only 3 points had it not been for Routt getting there too late!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    He has made Southwick look like a HOFer.

    ***

    LOL. well said

    do Russell supporters actually think that Raider fans want Gradkowski or Frye in the lineup because they are good QB’s? NO! It’s more of a “can’t get much worse” scenario. We know Russell isn’t going to win any games for us. He’s all arm and no brains. All gut and no glory. Al Davis wants to win now. Russell isn’t going to develop by playing more games and getting creamed every time. He’s going to develop when he puts in the work. the time and effort. Gannon said he has the best QB coach in the league. Tollner & Hackett have impressive resumes grooming QB’s. Does anybody really expect him to do a 180 when Chaz Schilens comes back? you expect to start seeing 300 yard/3 TD performances? Let’s be realistic folks. It’s not going to happen.

  • DirtyBathWater

    Yup you are right RRS our defense is exposed…. we are running the same crap when RR was here as DCordinator, I tried to give marshall the benefit of the doubt, but he has nocredibity at this point as he has shown no ability to make adjust,emts in the game goodness man we must get preesure on d some way

  • riderm

    Very well said….

    do Russell supporters actually think that Raider fans want Gradkowski or Frye in the lineup because they are good QB’s? NO! It’s more of a “can’t get much worse” scenario. We know Russell isn’t going to win any games for us. He’s all arm and no brains. All gut and no glory. Al Davis wants to win now. Russell isn’t going to develop by playing more games and getting creamed every time. He’s going to develop when he puts in the work. the time and effort. Gannon said he has the best QB coach in the league. Tollner & Hackett have impressive resumes grooming QB’s. Does anybody really expect him to do a 180 when Chaz Schilens comes back? you expect to start seeing 300 yard/3 TD performances? Let’s be realistic folks. It’s not going to happen

  • DT42

    LA to TheBay

    thanks for understanding what i was saying. I know that with JRuss i have been all over the place, first talking about his mechanics etc.and then i caught a couple of clips of JRuss last year and it was like a differnt guy. Reminds me a little of David Carr in Houston. He was getting blown up every passing play becuase of a terrible O-Line. What was the first thing the Texans did? Blame his mechanics and his release. Then they said he was holding the ball too long. I think when it comes to drafting these guys out of college teams are missing the point. What did this guy do better than anyone else to get picked this high? And will those talents cross over to what we are doing at the pro level. If JRuss was throwing a bunch of crossing routes in college, that needs to be a part of the offense with the Raiders. I’d love to see our WR’s catching skinny posts and crossing routes and breaking them for big gains. Then if the coverage bites on the short stuff hit them deep. Now this is gonna sound crazy but the i think the best offense for JRuss would be what we ran with Gannon….. I’ll wait for you to get back in your chairs. What was Gannons weakness? the THREAT of the deep ball. JRuss can hit the short stuff over the middle. The WR’s are young enough that with the right coaching they can learn great route running (FIRE SANJAI LAL!!). And teams have to respect the deep ball and not play tight or we can catch them with some pumpfakes and double moves. Use DMAC like we did Garner (give DMAC game film of Tiki Barber…no more fumbles!!) and Bush like Wheatley. Fargus to close strong. Just some thoughts, just tired of seeing a good team lose.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    September 29th, 2009 at 8:23 am
    Dakota was wrong about DMAC. I demand satisfaction.
    ___________________________________________

    Have some patience old man!

    Besides, I am not into that kind of thing….if you want “satisfaction” see your woman!

  • DirtyBathWater

    RRS the point about pple thinking that when chaz comes back the light is gonna come on and russell will be the quaterback we all need him to be for this team…….Cable believes that, from what he said the other day about being close to turning this thing around, he’s putting all his eggs in one basket don’t ya think?

  • DirtyBathWater

    Lol, our next five games are just too tough we have shown we are not ready to even compete with them other teams, the texans will probably run over us again like they did last time with slaton , talk about a steeeep climb

  • weaselbit

    Have the assistants been deposed?

    If not, think they’ll tell the truth?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Oh, does Cable think we are going to turn it around against the Giants, Eagles, Jets or Chargers before the bye week?

    lol…if we don’t win next week against the Texans, we will probably be 1-7 going into the bye…and Al will have made up his mind to fire the baffoon….hopefully.

  • 4evaRaider

    OK everybody together…Begin…

    Wax On
    Wax Off

    Wax ON
    Wax Off

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    At least the team in entertaining off the field…can’t wait to see Cable’s mug shot!

  • LA to TheBay

    Cable’s playing Madden ’04 out there and not very well.

    DT42 is absolutely correct.

    You don’t draft a guy and mess with his everything.

    You teach, you tweak, you polish.

    He’s not dumb and he sees more than half of the field. Some of you put too much stock in these TV broadcasts and talking heads.

    Anyone willing to post my breakdowns? They’re saved as .bmp files but I have no web-based to post them on.

    The film won’t lie.

    Russell is not a great QB, but he’s not the dumb, lazy ox you’re portraying him to be.

    He’s less of an ox and more of a goat.

  • RaiderRockstar

    LA to TheBay :

    Russell supporters love to point out 2 or 3 games out of 19 to prove he’s not a bust. 11 pass attempts doesn’t suggest Russell won that game with his arm. He just played mistake free football. the running game and defense saved the day. what if Denver shut down our running game and he was forced to throw? would he be 20/22 or 30/33 with 2 or 3 TD’s? doubtful …

    Houston & Tampa Bay (after Monte Kiffin quit on them) didn’t play inspired/physical defense. Again, we ran the football and played sound defense and won the games. Without Michael Bush the game against TB was a loss. Gruden would still be employed there and Cable wouldn’t be here!

    stats can be misleading at times yes, but when a guy has caught less than 20 balls in his NFL career it’s smart to take a wait & see approach. JLH isn’t in the mix and he was more impressive than Chaz last year.

    2 good (not great) games out of 20 means you’re closer to a bust than a star. much closer. thats not what you’re looking for in a #1 overall draft choice. We could have drafted somebody who plays like him in the 6th or 7th round and saved a boatload of money!

  • The Big Banana

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 29th, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Headbutt: it’s hard for ANY o-line to produce a dominant rushing attack with 8-9 in the box. The Lions & 49ers contained Adrian Peterson the past 2 weeks that way…

    the blueprint for beating the Raiders is easy. run the ball & stop the run. They know Russell isn’t going to beat them with his arm and they aren’t willing to risk throwing at Nnamdi, Huff or CJ. If it’s a passing play find the mismatch. LB on a WR or Routt on just about anybody …
    ===================================================
    Precisely. Russell is holding this team back in a big way. People don’t realize that it’s all related and that it’s affecting the run game.

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  • weaselbit

    Or will the assistants lie to cover Cable’s derriere?

    Can you say derriere?

  • weaselbit

    Call him what you want.

    Bad throwing eeez bad throwing.

    Period.

  • 4evaRaider

    4evaRaider Says:
    September 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am
    OK everybody together…Begin…

    Wax On
    Wax Off

    Wax ON
    Wax Off

  • LA to TheBay

    RRS

    Look at it chronologically.

    3-3 down the stretch. Over 60% More TDs than picks.

    The whole team sucked before that, not just Russell.

    That’s tunnell vision.

    Down the stretch, as he was growing and progressing, he looked solid.

    So what if he didn’t “win” the game and they ran the ball?

    No other team ever won anything with a capable QB and good running game?

    Make excuses for Monte’s D, they gave him different looks and rushed 5. He looked at all his options on the field and found the holes in the zone.

    When he’s on board with a receiver, like Lelie in the Denver game, they can bail him out. That’s any QB by the way. Sometimes the run game and a savvy WR bail you out. That’s not just football, that’s good football.

  • RaiderRockstar

    DirtyBathWater:

    Tom Cable said “we’re on the brink” after getting beatdown by the donks at home. WOW. really?

    It looked like we’re on the brink of disaster before being on the brink of turning things around. the team has regressed each week.

    maybe “turning things around” means no turnovers from Russell or McFadden? that would be a good place to start!

  • weaselbit

    Jr needs Pat Morita.

    Pat Morita for next head coach.

  • DirtyBathWater

    Lol, yeah unable cable cracks me up when he says that kinda stuff about on the brink of turning it around….. he sounds like Obama… who is he kidding man? We are the laughing stock of the league along with cleveland and detroit….and stafford looks like a gamer btw

  • LA to TheBay

    I just want to see these boys play hard in Houston and scratch out a win.

    Before the coaching staff and a lackluster performance doomed us on Sunday, this team could ‘hang with anyone’ and ‘compete’ and ’8-8′ and ‘the 70s defense worked’ and ‘only Russell’s holding us back.’

    BS.

    Al Davis and Tom Cable are holding us back.

    Stick Jason Garrett as OC w/ Russell and watch us roll.

    Stick Romo w/ Cable and Davis and watch him suck.

  • The Big Banana

    Cable won’t light a fire under Russell’s azz simply because he’s sort of doing the same thing. Collecting a paycheck. Yeah, he’d like to win some games but he’s towing the company line, kissing Davis’ azz, and doing everything he wants, right down to starting DHB and Russell at the expense of the rest of the team.

    BTW, how much of a professional is that cat Nnamdi? This guy is the consummate pro. To have all that talent and smarts, and having it just wasted in a dump of a team with players like Russell. A lot of other players in his position would be b1tchin right about now. Too bad his talents are being wasted tho.

  • RaiderRockstar

    anybody think we’ll sign Louis Rankin to the practice squad after he clears waivers? I hope so …