Bowie/Moss is Davis’ mistake
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 at 9:43 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Here’s the deal on John Bowie, the cornerback no longer on the 53-man roster in order to make room for kickoff return specialist Justin Miller.
Bowie was waived/injured, which means if he clears waivers, he goes on the Raiders’ injured reserve list. NFL Network and National Football Post analyst Mike Lombardi, with no lack of delight, added to his NFL Network report that Bowie’s contract had been “terminated.”
Actually, Bowie does not have enough service to have his contract “terminated” and is subject to waivers.
Once he clears waivers, Bowie will go on I.R. and then can either remain there or the two parties can reach an injury settlement, allowing him to be a free agent.
Bottom line is he’s probably done as a Raider unless they want to keep around to save face.
Take a stroll on NFL.com through the draft history and check out selections from the fourth round on and it’s pretty clear finding anything approaching Moss is the equivalent of hitting the lottery and getting instant retirement.
Among the post-Bowie picks that year were 49ers safety Deshon Goldson (No. 126), Ravens fullback Le’Ron McClain (No. 137), Cardinals wide receiver Steve Breaston (No. 142) and Giants tight end Kevin Boss (No. 153).
Players on their own roster still around taken after Bowie are defensive end Jay Richardson (No 138), fullback Oren O’Neal (No. 175) and defensive back Jonathan Holland (No. 254).
Bowie’s legacy will be as the guy who was traded for Randy Moss.
As much heat as the Raiders have taken for dealing Moss, they did the right thing for their team at the time. Don’t fool yourself. Moss was never going to be the player for the Raiders he was for the Patriots. Or for many other teams in the league, for that matter. The fact that other teams didn’t offer a first, second, or third round pick means they had no faith Moss would be productive, or that perhaps his best years were already behind him.
I admit I fell into the latter category, considering Moss a jump-and-catch receiver who never paid much attention to route running, having reached this opinion talking not only with NFL personnel types in relaxed atmospheres at the NFL scouting combine but also having on-the-record conversations with people like Tim Brown and Rod Woodson, whose opinions I respect.
At the press conference when the Raiders signed Richard Seymour, Al Davis said, “Randy Moss was great here for us. We couldn’t satisfy Randy, that was our fault. He’s a truly great player. The idea when you get a great player is to make him happy and satisfy him.”
What Davis didn’t say was that Bill Belichick was able to provide that environment, while Davis, with his turnstile of head coaches, assistants and offensive systems, created exactly the kind of environment that would turn Moss away.
If you’re going to take on a quirky superstar, you’d better have the proper supporting cast in terms of a personnel department, coaches and teammates.
Otherwise, you wind up with John Bowie and have no one to blame but yourself.
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September 30th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Moss quit on us and he needed to be dealt. Bowie turned out to be a mistake in the making. He looked lost in coverage and didn’t seem to have an understanding of when to play inside technique or outside technique. We are better served with Miller back there as a backup.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
And AL’s latest brain fart is sitting J Walker while DHB is absolutely failing miserably and JaMeatloaf NEEDS all the FK’n help we can give him!
Im about sick of Cable talking out his a$shole as if we are dumb! WE KNOW AL IS UP YOUR A$$ TOM SO STFU AND START TELLING THE TRUTH maybe your team will respect you and play ther a$ses off….imagine that!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
come on Raiders!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Lefty,
DHB is on a roll & looking good just like in pre-season!
Good call Lefty!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Enough already with Moss/Bowie.
It’s over and done with.
And there’s no shame in that.
During his time here, Randy moss was the following:
1. A quitter.
2. A loser.
3. A sulker.
4. A Cancer.
5. Anything BUT an Oakland Raider.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
VT Raider,yea,i’m sure glad other teams developed Nnamdi,johnson,Howard,Chaz,Miller,and some of the older guys like Brown,Wiz,Robbins,etc.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
The big issue for me this Sunday is to get back to physical run game and start Fargas or Bush.
I said it all during training camp and kept getting ripped by all the “D-Mac” lovers.
Justin Fargas has heart and physical tenacity that neither D-Mac nor Michael Bush can match. And this team needs that.
You ask the Raider O-Lineman who they would prefer to get the majority of the workload, and to a man, I bet any of you that their answer would be Fargas.
With that being said, I’d be fine with starting Bush. At least he gives them power and can also lay the wood on defenses.
Then bring in D-Mac as a change of pace.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Check it out… Till Davis chooses to evolve with the game of football, the Raiders will not be a stable organization. We will argue till the day Das Fuer gives up the reigns on the nation!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
If Cable would have said from the beginning that they wanted to go with youth ok but Cable said he wasn’t ready to play and I knew that was horse sh!t!!
Cable go F yourself you puppet as$ed spineless POS !
September 30th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I love my Raiders and I back most of their decisions, but, I just don’t get the situation with Javon Walker.
I really believe they are doing our young 23 year-old QB a disservice by not having Walker as the 2nd or 3rd wide-out.
He would instantly be our best route runner, and frankly, Jamarcus needs some sure hands out there to boost his own confidence.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
**********MEMO TO CABLE*********
Put the best men on the field & fug AL!!! That means activating Walker! DHB can get some reps but let Walker play! Sit JaMeatball if he has a bad 1st quarter. Start HUFF even if Eugene is healthy! Start BUSH if you think he should be no1….CABLE GROW A FKN PAIR OF NUTS OR RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Silver, its a no brainer to play Walker especially when JLH went down. This sh!t is insane. The players see this stuff and it affects their focus & commitment theres no question about it!
Cable lies right through his dam teeth in these pressers!
FK u Cable!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
No way Mike Singletary would be allowed to do his thing in Oakland, like he’s doing in SF.
No way any Coach in Oakland is allowed to develop anything organically in the locker-room between players and coaches. The stuff that produces fidelity, and emotional investment, esprit d’ corp. All the shyt that’s lacking in Oakland. All because Al Davis is shining the light on himself. Up in his office playing fantasy football with the Raiders.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
KK, your Raiders are dog meat, your President is failing miserably…go have a tall glass of prune juice and relax.
It will get better..
September 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Oh, how is that KK ? I dont talk about my personal life so what makes you have an opinion on my success ?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Mistabrown Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
KK, your Raiders are dog meat, your President is failing miserably.
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You don’t sound like the most successful person yourself.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Putting Rankin on the practice squad was a genius move! Seattle wouldn’t give a 4th or 5th rounder for Fargas so we could keep Rankin, eh AL ?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Oh yeah fargas was just blowing it out last year funny how a guy who supposedly runs over people can’t find the endzone, fargas can’t score sorry some of you have a crush on him but maybe you like losing. Bush, and split out Dmac get him in space let Bush do the heavy lifting
September 30th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
KK-actually the countries Pres. is doing fine,the nutjobs are just digging themselves a deeper hole every day.the more they just say no,the deeper they go.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Fargas had a better YPC avg. when he was starting than the guy who is starting now!Fargas is/was not the problem on this team.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Lefty,
0bama cant even get the health care thru a DEMO senate, he is a failure. The economy has gotten worse and millions want their vote back his approval rating has fallen so low you cant find it….lmao
Nice grammar Lefty do you have a monkey type for you or …uhmm is that you?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Lefty just a quick grammar lesson for future reference.
After a comma (, <— thats a comma) you hit the space bar. After a period, again you hit the spacebar.
The more we say no the deeper we go ? LMAO!!!!! ok
September 30th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Lefty,
Nobody said Fargas was the problem on this team. We say Fargas shouldn’t play unless Bush or Dmac get hurt.
Feel free to follow along!
September 30th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
The big issue for me this Sunday is to get back to physical run game and start Fargas or Bush.
I said it all during training camp and kept getting ripped by all the “D-Mac” lovers.
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I’m with you man. I’ve been saying Bush all along. Those folks that wanted Dmac as the starter don’t know much about football. I could see this thing coming a mile away. Falling down whenever someone swipes at his ankles? Ridiculous. Not starter material. They need to create some space for him. Screens, split him out wide, pitches, etc. Too bad the QB can’t execute a friggin screen to save his life!
September 30th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
So….would DHB be a starter on any of the other 31 NFL teams? Doubtful. Davis – PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR AZZ!!!
And Cable, GROW A PAIR!!!
A lot of people here dogged Kiffin. Not saying that he doesn’t deserve criticism but I at least give him credit for standing up to the old man.
We need Gruden. Go ahead. Roll your eyes. Live in denial all you want. Gruden and Al are good for each other.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Al Davis is a moot point… No point in arguing that! It’s something we as fans just have to deal with. I feel it’s unfair to us paying fans that we have to deal with it. The best we can get is $100 gift card if we buy tickets??? I promise this much, that if we don’t end this 11 games lost per season avg. I will not renew as a season ticket holder! It pains me to be be apart of this travisty like everyone else. It bothers me more that everywhere I go it’s niners this, niners and how singletary is so great!!! that followed by the negative raider news. My loyalty is undying but wavering! I don’t know who’s to blame for this crap but all I know as we say in the military “the fish rots from the head, down”! I’m sorry Mr. Davis but your antics aren’t worth this fans money.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
The real problem on this team excluding 1.) AD & 2.) Coaches, is the lack of a dominant O & D line. If we had a dominant O-line our run game would thrive and even JR would have adequate time to miss a receiver. Our D-line is closer. We afre fine a DE. Kelly needs to step up and we need a new force next to him. Here’s my plan for next year’s draft. All linemen except for 1 run stuffing MLB.
Our selections should be:
•OT
•C
•DT
•MLB
•G
•C
•OT
•DT
I believe we have 8 picks this upcoming year. It’s supposed to be a good year for linemen. Let’s not miss out this time around. Games are won in the pits. Defense wins championships.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Raiderrej – A lot of fans are in your boat including myself. I didn’t renew this year for this very reason. I was hopeful but I had a bad feeling. I can’t keep sending money their way and supporting this crap. I think fans have already sent a message with the last game. 45,000 for a big rivalry game, that early in the season. Wow! He took a loss last year? The worst is yet to come for Davis.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
The real problem on this team excluding 1.) AD & 2.) Coaches, is the lack of a dominant O & D line. If we had a dominant O-line our run game would thrive and even JR would have adequate time to miss a receiver. Our D-line is closer. We afre fine a DE. Kelly needs to step up and we need a new force next to him. Here’s my plan for next year’s draft. All linemen except for 1 run stuffing MLB.
Our selections should be:
•OT
•C
•DT
•MLB
•G
•C
•OT
•DT
I believe we have 8 picks for this upcoming year. It’s supposed to be a good year for linemen. Let’s not miss out this time around. Games are won in the pits. Defense wins championships.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I hope Davis feels the same way JB. Tired of drafting the latest “lightning flash” in hopes that he develops into a football player. Please BUILD up the LINES!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Lefty12, the nomoreFargas crowd is dwindling, all the start DMC crowd has disipated. This team has missed Fargas and it is starting to every obvious.
DMC has left a lot to be desired, he hasall the talent in the world but he is not the Gale Sayers everyone in here envisioned. They have to biuld this team around Michael Bush and get grounded.
We MUST run the football to hae any chanc at consistency. But Cable wants to be cute. And it’s caused the team to lack any kind of an identity. Chaz will help Russell IMO he needs a go to reciever to take the bracket off ZMiller so that he can resume that connection.
They should use DMC like the Vikes use Percy Harvin and get him the ball in open field. It would help him get his confidence and help take thepressu off Russell and the running game.
But that is tooo much like right we have to keep it complicated.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
60% of our offensive line needs to be replaced. Morris, Carlisle and Green need to go. Morris is OK as a back-up but we need another Barrett Robbins type in there as a starter. Carlisle is just past his prime. Green never had a prime. If we can get a primo OLT prospect I’d say move Super Mario to ORT. That’s a better position for him. It’s an easier position to pass block and he’s a good run grader. Gallery is doing just fine and is heading for Pro Bowl consideration.
The defensive line is actually in better shape. Right now BOTH Kelly & Warren are the weak links. Warren is OK as a rotational back-up but Kelly needs to be the starter and to step it up big time. Seymour & Ellis are both BIG upgrades to what was there last year.
Our DB’s areset and Mitchell, if he plays up to the hype, will be another BIG upgrade. Linebacking or specifically the MLB position needs a player there. Morrison is NOT a MLB no matter what the program says. He’s the run stuffing weak link. We need a big run stuffer in there. So, let’s find that guy and get him in there.
Of we make these change, we can win in spite of JR’s crappy performance. Oh yes, DMac gets moved from RB to permanent slot WR position. He can do well there and could succeed, assuming JR can get the bal to him.
My last squad alteration is to get Rankin back and put him on the 53 as the #3 RB. Given an opportunity and the line changes, he will be the next Sproules. You read it her first.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Why am I posting in the future? my last post said 11:58PM but it was actually 11:52PM.
Jerry, please check the clocks on all your servers. They are off and some are different from the others. That’s why when you post it appears minutes before the post you are responding to.
It makes it hard to follow a thought line.
PLEASE FIX YOUR SYSTEMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 12:09 am
I believe that the Raiders will re-relocate… Then and only then will we be free from our misery…
October 1st, 2009 at 12:10 am
# The NEWS Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
We need Gruden. Go ahead. Roll your eyes. Live in denial all you want. Gruden and Al are good for each other.
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I agree! Gruden and AL make for a very weird combo but it works. Gruden wouldn’t be putting up with JR’s BS. He’d get called out big time and would be picking splinters out of his ass for months. We’d find out real quick if JR is for real or is just a REAL BUST. At least we’d know for sure and be able to move on. With a dominant line and good personnel at the skilled positions, just about any QB would work out.
October 1st, 2009 at 12:55 am
Mistabrown Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Ladies & Gentlemen we are in BIG trouble..
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No. Actually your Cleveland Browns are in BIG trouble. They are 0-3 they benched your boy Brady Quinn, who incidentally, makes Jamarcus look like Johnny Freaking Unitas, but look at the bright side: your Cleveland Browns hat that you spent 45 minutes looking for in the Coliseum on Sunday sure looks good on you Dummass!!
October 1st, 2009 at 12:59 am
No one offered anything better and Moss wanted out. Bowie was a disappointment from the beginning he couldnt even get on the field he was always hurt. But Moss was just dogging it with us and who wants a player like that it rubs off on the others.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:06 am
# Oakglenn Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 12:43 am
# Richochet Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Is Winnie the Pooh up to it?
I doubt it.
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rackette, the Whiners lost in the most brutal losing moment in the NFL in the last 10 years!!!! HAHAHAHAHA. that was on the heal of you Whiner Fans lionizing a felon. your team sux dix dude. Good thing is you have the worst stadium in the country. Here rack-ette, you like stats. Let’s look at the worst offensive teams in the league!! Coming in last, Mistabrowns Favorite Team, The Cleveland Browns!! Next are The Raider and Chiefs!! Then the St. Louis Lambs, and then NEXT, Say hello to the LA Phony Whiners!!! I meant, SF Phony Whiners!!
October 1st, 2009 at 1:18 am
JB, I think Davis gave Gruden a lot more rope when he first hired him than he would if he hired him again. We only had one really bad year before hiring Gruden. I think Davis pretty much threw Gruden the keys, and look at our defense when Gruden first got here, with Willie Shaw as DC. It almost looked as if in ‘98 and ‘99, Al wasn’t involved at all! Result: AFC championship game in 2000. I personally believe Davis first started meddling with the 2000 draft. Jano? Come on. Then the contract disputes after the 2000 season. At that point, Davis was set on taking his team back, and he’s vowed to not give it up since. Kiffin tried to do everything Gruden did, to a T. Davis just wasn’t having it this time around, and he wouldn’t if he hired Gruden again, either.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:24 am
JB, this team will never win again until Davis is out of football operations. The one thing we have going for us is that Al is running out of money. He may be forced to sell his controlling interest, as the NFL obviously wont’ come to his aid considering all of the grudges he has with the league and most of the other owners. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. Yes, I said it. I hope Al goes belly up. You can’t wish death on people but why the heck not wish financial ruin on a guy if his ouster from a company is it’s only prayer of being turned around?
October 1st, 2009 at 1:28 am
MB, name a Republican who you think will beat Obama in ‘12, just for laughs.
October 1st, 2009 at 3:57 am
we selected bowie in the 4th round with the “Moss” pick…
it was then our turn to pick again…
yep, two in a row… we took M Bush…
and i laugh about that…
if you are going to bank on a pick to succeed… and hope to not be embarrassed by it… wouldn’t you rather take Bush???
even if he busted… people would see that as a good chance to succeed… and at least understand the pick as the best possible pick for that moment…
Bowie though… was a big “what??” when we took him…
anyway… i would rather poeple think we took Bush for Moss than Bowie for Moss…
October 1st, 2009 at 4:44 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 4:54 am
Who cares what people think Pete!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 5:02 am
HATER!!!!1!
Good write up, Jerrah. The Bowie pick was doomed from the start. Just another fast guy with no NFL skills. The perfect Al Davis pick.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:04 am
Get your facts straight, Pete. Bush was taken with the 1st pick of Rd4. Bowie was the 10th pick.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2007&round=round1#round4
A little research can carry you a long way.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:08 am
And why are people hanging from Javon Walker’s nuts like he’s any good? The guy hasn’t been relevant for years. He just had some sort of mystery knee surgery after running on a bum knee for the last 2+ years. You can pretty much bet he’s not anything remotely close to the guy who looked somewhat dangerous in Green Bay.
Let Walker go, people. He was a nice preseason story. That’s all. He’s an old, slow Nick Miller. Nothing more.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:24 am
YEP…
No way Walker figures into our long-term anything.Big Al is stubborn enough 2let him stand on the side-line 4 2years and NEVER get in a game.Gotta pay him this year and next
October 1st, 2009 at 5:27 am
How many td does fargas ever score oh yeah none on a team desperate for points you want a guy with no vision who can barely catch the ball but hey he’ll get us going when he gets and inch on the 1. Is walker still gonna be comeback player of the year haven’t seen that one in a while or the DHB will have 150 yrds 2TD I just hope Jruss completes 50% and we get ballzy and start punting on 2nd and 3rd or kick FG if were so lucky to be with 65 yrds.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 5:43 am
Crow Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 5:04 am
Get your facts straight, Pete. Bush was taken with the 1st pick of Rd4. Bowie was the 10th pick.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2007&round=round1#round4
A little research can carry you a long way.
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i was confused…
we took higgins with the 99th pick (rd 3) and bush with the 100th (rd 4)…
i knew we drafted two picks in a row…
somehow i merged it all together and hosed it all up…
October 1st, 2009 at 5:47 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Yeah, let Bowie go…poor guy, with that “Moss Trade” label on his head…on IR again? Hmmm…cut your losses and lets go forward!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 5:58 am
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October 1st, 2009 at 6:04 am
Wax On
Wax Off
October 1st, 2009 at 6:10 am
hell thats alright Pete…
It’s like it has all run together into 1 l-o-n-g strange trip…we are ALL confused at this point,soo
wax on
wax off
October 1st, 2009 at 6:27 am
I guess because Bowie is still here…I don’t know…
October 1st, 2009 at 6:29 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,RANDY MOSS,LANE KIFFIN,ROB RYAN,STEWART SWEIGERT AND A FEW OTHER’S GOOD RIDENCE,WHY BRING ‘EM UP,THERE LONG GONE..
October 1st, 2009 at 6:31 am
4EVA, YOUR SOUNDING LIKE JERRY GARCIA AND THE GRATEFULL DEAD. U R CORRECT THOUGH, WHAT A LONG STRANGE TRIP IT’S BEEN.
October 1st, 2009 at 6:36 am
Yep it’s like I cant believe we are still here
October 1st, 2009 at 6:36 am
You know, if this is all one big (bad) acid trip…someone send me to rehab please!!!
“i don’t know doc, I had nightmares these last 6 years…”
October 1st, 2009 at 6:46 am
Do NOT resign Garcia. He can’t outrun fat Def Tackles, can’t throw deep, or even crossing patterns, and bottom line, a lifelong LOSER. We already have enough of his minus’s.
By the way, Good Morning Nation. LOL
October 1st, 2009 at 6:47 am
For all you whiners who bag Cable on how he lied about the Seymour situatiion and how you all laughed at Cable for saying we are really close. Here is Raiderbeat’s quotes on Nnamdi about the Raiders and their upcoming game vs Houston.Nnamdi says it like it is.
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(on what’s it going to take for the Raiders to turn the corner) “It’s going to take a lot of determination, I guess, by the group. We’re going to have to be a lot more focused and we’re going to have to believe in ourselves a little bit more. And we’re really close. I know a lot of people can’t see that from the outside looking in. They’re probably thinking, ‘Oh, this team isn’t going to do anything. They’ll be terrible.’ But from my point of view and from the guys here, we think that we’re really close. We know that we’re really close to turning it around, it’s just a matter of a couple of good things happening to us to get that momentum going. I don’t think we’re that far off right now.”
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October 1st, 2009 at 6:48 am
Totally agree Hwnrdr…
Somebody Anybody step on anyone toes just STEP UP
October 1st, 2009 at 6:48 am
John Bowie to the Pro Bowl in 2011!
October 1st, 2009 at 6:49 am
Even if you get knocked on your azz get back up…time after time
October 1st, 2009 at 6:49 am
LMAO Rockstar =)
October 1st, 2009 at 6:52 am
Coming from Nnamdi, I’ll believe it. Hopefully he can provide that “kick in the ass” to the 10% of players that needs to be “there”. He’s one of our leaders, but he is only one. Can the others plaese step it up?
October 1st, 2009 at 6:54 am
rehab is 4 quitter’s Hwnrdr =)
October 1st, 2009 at 6:55 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 6:57 am
Dakota,
Better get a kicker and defense for this week. Yours are on a bye.
October 1st, 2009 at 6:58 am
Teach,
you must be Karnack, I read your post at 9:54 and you wrote it at 7:01. LMFAO
October 1st, 2009 at 7:00 am
4eva: In 2011 Bowie will be fully developed and trained. Converted from track star to football player. dominant man 2 man corner. Randy Moss will be retired by then and he’ll be glad he never had to match up with Bowie. Bowie will have a sticker on the back of his helmet that says “fear this!”
October 1st, 2009 at 7:00 am
JOHN HERRERA IS MOWING BIG AL’S LAWN RIGHT NOW..JUST THOUGHT U WOULD WANT TO KNOW.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:01 am
Not sure why we’re reading about the Moss/Bowie trade. I’m pretty sure everybody knows that Al makes the calls on trades and signings, so it’s not exactly news and why it merits another rehashing is beyond me. The Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees too, Jerry. Maybe you could write about that if you’re bored. Or angry about something, maybe.
The one thing that concerns me about the team right now is that Cable keeps saying that they’re on the brink of turning things around. That makes me nervous, because not only are there no signs of that (the team is playing worse by the week, in my view), but these are the same things he was saying every week while head coach at Idaho. Maybe he’s right (I hope so), but I’ve heard it from him before, and Idaho never got any better.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:02 am
Exla… it’s the magic of the interweb, which also comes with the “you’re posting too fast” bonus feature.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:07 am
I know 4eva…but if we’re all on a trip, I want to be good!!! LOL
October 1st, 2009 at 7:09 am
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October 1st, 2009 at 7:09 am
Frank Robinson for Milt Papas,Jack Baldschun,Dick Simpson worse trade ever Robinson won the triple crown his first year in Bal.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:10 am
Walker to the Minnesota Vikings for a total of five players (LB Jesse Solomon, DB Issiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, DE Alex Stewart) and six draft picks (which led to Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson).
October 1st, 2009 at 7:11 am
I found this article from WarRoomReport.com dated March 2007. Prophetic.
“LSU QB JaMarcus Russell had his pro day on March 14th, and by all accounts, was successfully able to showcase his arm for NFL Scouts. The Oakland Raiders, who are projected to take Russell with the #1 pick in the War Room Report’s 2007 NFL Mock Draft, interviewed Russell the evening before his pro day.
NFL Draft analysts are starting to lose perspective on Russell. The War Room Report is high on the 6-6 QB, ranking him 4th overall on the 2007 NFL Draft Big Board, but he does not compare to many of the recent top QBs, because of the high bust risk that accompanies a player who is still developing.
Mike Mayock of NFL Network claims that Russell has the best arm he has ever seen leading up to the draft. Scouts Inc’s Todd McShay described the pro day performance as “…the most impressive of all the pro days I’ve been to…” While both accolades may be true, it is important to keep perspective. Russell still must work on reading defenses better. At times he exhibits too much confidence in his arm, forcing the ball into spots and leading to turnovers. For a player projected as the #1 QB in the draft and who is getting compared to prospects like Vince Young or Peyton Manning, Russell did not dominate in college, despite having two first day picks at WR.
Russell’s potential is intriguing, and it does elevate him above Brady Quinn as the top QB in this draft. But at the same time, you would think that scouts would have learned from past instances, not to put too much emphasis on workouts and arm strength.
It may surprise some to see the player we rated as the 4th best in the entire draft listed here, but Russell does have a high bust factor. He must improve his reads at the next level after running a very simple offense in college. He does not have excellent mobility, which could hamper him on a team with poor pass protection. Some question Russell’s dedication to the game as well. If Russell can put it all together, he has some of the best physical tools ever seen in a QB. If not, he could be out of the league in five years.”
Or even four years?
October 1st, 2009 at 7:12 am
Ollie Matson from the Chi Cardinals to the Rams in 1958 for 6 players in contention too.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:18 am
This week:
Russell throws for 400 yds and goes 28/30, 2 TD’s and 0 Ints.
ESPN quickly heralds him as the 2nd coming of Brett Favre.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:18 am
Strange thing that Bowie never even got on the field. I saw him in preseason, and granted it was mop-up duty, but he made a few plays and seemed to have decent ball skills.
Hell, he couldn’t have been any worse than Routt has been this year.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:20 am
Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson
And the Warriors turning the first pick in the draft, and ending up with Weber, and than making a series of trades that ultimately ended with Tom Guggliota. What a disaster that was.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:21 am
*******Don’t Blame Randy – He is what he is!*********
I don’t blame Randy Moss. Randy showed all his cards at Minn. He said look I signed a 100 million dollar contract after acting like an @$$ hole off the field and at times on the field. Since I can run like a deer and catch jump balls I can do what ever I want. So Minn. called him on it and said you are out of here you are not what we want as a franchise. Even though you may be in the NFL hall of fame one day it will not be with our team (Integrity). Al Davis took the easy route as usual trying to draft developed talent with a bad attitude but hall of fame quality. Als way is “treat them like little kings and just win baby!” Well it caught up to him and he took on another non-character guy that was like cancer to the franchise. He dogged it on anf off the field talked about the team and went to an established franchise like NE where all he has to do is play a role and live off Tom Brady’s laser beam arm and call it a season.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:26 am
Okay let’s try it again wordpress:maddenraiderfan Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 7:18 am
This week:
Russell throws for 400 yds and goes 28/30, 2 TD’s and 0 Ints.
ESPN quickly heralds him as the 2nd coming of Brett Favre.
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October 1st, 2009 at 7:28 am
Seymour doesn’t plan on leading by talking about his previous place of employment.
“Man, I’m not in New England. I’m tired of the New England questions,” Seymour said. “That’s a chapter that’s over and done with, and I’m here as an Oakland Raider now. I’m a Raider, and that’s what it is.”
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Al Davis,
please get out your checkbook and pay this guy in the offseason. 4 years, 40 million. thank you!
October 1st, 2009 at 7:32 am
Hey Vegas,
Actually Bowie was on the field last week. Not sure what he did, but I do know that he was in coverage on someone and him and another db made a play on the ball…can’t remember, trying to block that game out!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 7:36 am
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Al Davis,
please get out your checkbook and pay this guy in the offseason. 4 years, 40 million. thank you!
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haha, try more like 4 years at 60. About 20 short from where Oakland would need to be.
More than likely he will want out if things dont drastically change, and we will franchise him at 15m+ for the next two years to keep him around.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:37 am
Whoever wins the nomination for the Rep’s.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 1:28 am
MB, name a Republican who you think will beat Obama in ‘12, just for laughs.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:42 am
Hwndr,
I was so irrate after the D-Mac fumble, that I wasn’t on my A game as far as watching for the small details. Good to see we got at least one pass broken-up for Moss, LOL.
I was too focused on my captain and coke at that time.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:49 am
mcfadden will carry this team next week
October 1st, 2009 at 7:52 am
Thanks exla…I’ll take care of that FFL issue.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:54 am
ARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Another RUM drinker
When summer is over and you put away the daquiri’s keep the rum out 4 coffee…Now theres a good buzz!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am
Vegas: I liked Tom Guggliota …
October 1st, 2009 at 7:58 am
Ochocinco’s new book goes inside the mind of a complex renaissance man.
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child please!
October 1st, 2009 at 8:00 am
Rick Reilly of ESPN says… “Ochocinco’s new book goes inside the mind of a complex renaissance man.”
Say what?
October 1st, 2009 at 8:00 am
Russell throws for 400 yds and goes 28/30, 2 TD’s and 0 Ints.
ESPN quickly heralds him as the 2nd coming of Brett Favre.
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October 1st, 2009 at 8:01 am
oops
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exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 7:26 am
Okay let’s try it again wordpress:maddenraiderfan Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 7:18 am
This week:
Russell throws for 400 yds and goes 28/30, 2 TD’s and 0 Ints.
ESPN quickly heralds him as the 2nd coming of Brett Favre.
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Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 8:03 am
I wonder who’s Teach
October 1st, 2009 at 8:10 am
I was wondering the same thing, 4eva. Maybe it’s about Da Vinci or something, because it sure as hell can’t be an autobiography.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:13 am
Edward Teach…long time no posts buddy.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:16 am
All of you hating on Russell, would you really rather have someone like Brady Quinn?
At least with Russell, if he doesn’t cut it this year, he should be out soon enough. If we had drafted Quinn, we would be stuck with a bottom tier QB for years to come, because hes not good enough to do anything, but not bad enough to replace.
Besides, coming out of college, we knew that he needed to be developed, and our organization hasn’t really given him the best environment to do that in. By the end of this year, I bet he looks like a franchise QB and you all eat your words. (If not, we draft a new one and try again and its forgotten)
October 1st, 2009 at 8:17 am
Tom Rathman used to work with McFadden on his ball security. I hope new RB coach Kelly Skipper does the same. Skipper was the TE coach the last 2 years, right?
Must have done something right with Zach Miller!
October 1st, 2009 at 8:18 am
MRF: draft Tim Tebow in Round 4 or 5.
Tebow can sit his rookie season and learn from Tollner & Hackett while Russell continues to fail and disappoint
2011 Tim Tebow starting QB with a full arsenal of weapons on offense: McFadden, Bush, Heyward-Bey, Murphy, Higgins, Schilens, Miller & Myers. Henderson, Gallery & Morris on the o-line as well.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:21 am
RR:
That would be so awesome if we got Tebow.
With Mcfadden we could run the option or wildcat all day long.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:21 am
Dakota…
Yeah, just readin’, mostly. Only place I know of where I can get my Raider fix and commentary and analysis of world and national affairs at the same time.
32 degrees in the City of Trees (Boise, Idaho – home of the grossly overrated Boise State Broncos) this morning. Don’t imagine it’s much warmer in your neck of the woods…?
October 1st, 2009 at 8:22 am
Adam Schefter has reported there might be no penalty for cutting a player during the uncapped 2010 year. Hear that JaMarcus. Better improve soon!
By the way, I’ll be happy to eat my words because I want every Raider to succeed.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:26 am
new post
October 1st, 2009 at 9:37 am
Why dose the media aways pick on the raiders about this deal? lets look at the other side of this deal, what the heck did the raiders give up to retain Moss from the Vikings? Nobody talks about that.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:40 am
Alisgod and Silver n Smac you make me howl with laugher. Your uncritical support of this trainwreck of a team will reward you with a lot of frustration and heartache. On when Alisdead or Alisoutofthe picture will there be light at the end of the tunnel.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Al Davis taking responsibility for his problems… Really I was shocked to hear him say that about not satisfying Moss-y.
Well as much as I have a philosophy of “The Fish Sticks From the Head” And am encouraged when Al admits fault like that. Here I can’t agree with Al taking responsability for Moss never progressed here.
Moss is a milly mouth loser. And he will never wear the ring.
Sorry but in a fight along with 52 other teammates you don’t decide to take some time off because you disagree with the commanders.
So while your team is dodging pot-shots you’re A.W.O.L. taking Tequila Shots…
Thats a major, major violation and it’s inexcusable no matter how big of a supposed Super-Star you are or think you are.
Am I wrong and Mossy may one day get a SuperBowl ring? Sure I ain’t a prophet but my hope is he doesn’t and for the looks of things like the Chargers and Patriots it’s OVER… They had their time & that time is over.
At least the Pat’s took advantage of their time unlike the Chargers who didn’t.
So good going Al. Even in these times of despair with our beloved Raiders, there is “In My Opinion”, Hope!
Play well, Play Hard, have Fun & WIN!!!