Wednesday wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes from the Raiders Wednesday following the open locker room session, practice and the post-practice press briefing from coach Tom Cable:
– Let’s get the legal stuff out fo the way first. When asked if there had been any change in the Napa assault investigation involving Randy Hanson and whether he’d been contacted, Cable said, “None from me.”
When asked if he had any comment on the assertion by attorney John McGuinn to the NFL Network that Raiders defensive backs had been contacting Hanson for advice through a borrowed computer, Cable managed a chuckle and said, “No, no. I have no comment on about any of that.”
– After talking about what a great job Bruce Gradkowski was doing as the backup for JaMarcus Russell, was surprised to hear such a soft response from Cable regarding the possibility of bringing back Jeff Garcia.
“We haven’t talked about it at this point,” Cable said. “That’s all I can say right now.”
That’s a long way from, the “No, we’ll move ahead with what we’ve got” answer I expected considering Garcia requested his release.
– There’s showing loyalty to your guys and then there’s, well it’s hard to say exactly what this is.
When asked about what it would take Javon Walker to get on the field, Cable said, “Well, I think right now it would take injuries. We’re about to get Schilens back. You feel like that group has really done some good things and you want to keep that going obviously.”
The group has done some good things and you want to keep that going.
Aside from the eight catches for 138 yards from Louis Murphy, Raiders wide receivers have caught two passes for 46 yards in three games. Todd Watkins has one for 28 yards, Darrius Heyward-Bey the other for 18 yards.
It’s not exactly like he’d be breaking up the lineup of the ‘27 Yankees.
Maybe it’s that Walker simply can’t play anymore and that Al Davis doesn’t want to cut a receiver guaranteed $4.6 million this season and next season. Or that he’s simply sticking with the young receivers the same way he’s going with Russell.
But the “good things” haven’t exactly been visible to the naked eye.
– Kickoff returns specialist Justin Miller had a new home on the opposite side of the locker room and a professional outlook regarding his return to a team that sent him packing on the final cutdown day.
Miller averaged 24.8 yards per return and had returned two kickoffs for touchdowns with a long of 92 yards last year. He was even on the field in the secondary when the Raiders beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to close out the season.
He signed a new contract _ but didn’t make the roster.
“That’s the nature of this business,’’ Miller said. “You’ve got to understand how it goes. Sometimes it’s really not about you as a person, it’s just what fits for the team or what the team needs at that point in time. You take it in stride and try to be ready for the next opportunity.’’
– Fullback Oren O’Neal’s take on the “on any given Sunday” philosophy: “Every team in the NFL is an NFL team.”
– Defensvie end Greg Ellis had this to say about how a torrent of pregame enthusiasm means nothing when preceded by a subpar practice effort.
“It’s not anything we can correct five minutes before a football game by jumping around and slapping each other high-fives, yelling and screaming,” Ellis said. “You need that energy but you have to have a foundation with that energy. You start establishing that foundation for the week starting on Wednesday usually.”
Ellis on leadership: “I think it has to be more than one guy. You can have that guy who wants to yell, scream and cuss at other teammates but everybody in the NFL we’re grown men so we can choose how you respond to that firecracker guy if you will. The head coach can yell at you, anybody can yell at you but you as an individual have to take it upon yourself to say, ‘OK, I’m going to receive this stuff and I’m going to use it as a positive.’ ”
– Ellis and Richard Seymour agreed with Nnamdi Asomugha’s contention that last Friday’s practice was a big part of the Raiders downfall against the Broncos.
“I think we had a lot of mental errors. Friday practices aren’t tremendously physical practices. But it’s more of a mental day,” Seymour said. “And I think that’s something we all have to tighten up on if we want to be a good football team.
“You’ve got to be in the right place at the right time. The main thing is, what we want to do is take care of responsibilities and do your job. No one can do my job but me. I can’t go out and do the linebackers’ job, the corners can’t come up and do our job. So if everybody takes care of their own responsibilities, I think we’ll be a much better football team.”
“Hopefully everybody learned and we can go out there today and leading up to this game and be more concentrating in practice and eliminate mistakes,” added Ellis. “Early in the week you expect some mistakes because it’s a new, you don’t change the whole scheme but there’s some new things that coaches tell you, ‘For this team we got to do this.’ Today you can kind of expect some mistakes. But when you get down to Friday you expect for it to be real crisp, not so physical practice just crisp and not making
those mistakes.”
– Count Houston wide receiver Andre Johnson who believes the Raiders to be a warehouse of talent just waiting for a little direction and purpose.
“If they can just get things going in the right direction they’ll be a team to be reckoned with,” Johnson said in a conference call to Bay Area reporters. “ You look at the players on that team, it’s kind of like an all-star team.”
Which is exactly the kind of thinking which could lead the Raiders down the wrong path, Ellis believes.
“We’re not the golden child where we stand out enough talent wise where we can go out there and kind of BS through practice and think we can win,” Ellis said.
– Here is how Seymour, brought in to be a leader, plans to lead:
“ I think you lead by example. I’m not a rah-rah guy coming out and giving speeches. You go out and get the job done by your play in practice, preparation. Cause it’s really two games. It’s the game throughout the week as far as preparation. And then it’s also the game on Sunday. So we want to win both of those battles,” Seymour said. “And if we don’t do a good job throughout the week as far as preparation, then they’ll have the edge on us when it comes to the game. So it’s a process on getting it done, and I think guys are willing to put in that work.”
Seymour doesn’t plan on leading by talking about his previous place of employment.
“Man, I’m not in New England. I’m tired of the New England questions,” Seymour said. “That’s a chapter that’s over and done with, and I’m here as an Oakland Raider now. I’m a Raider, and that’s what it is.”
– Cable gave the Wednesday practice positive reviews.
“Today was excellent. It was tremendous focus,” Cable said. “We got the base plan in, tempo was good, effort was good. Shoot, I think maybe two or three repeats the whole practice so that’s what we’re looking for.”
– Cable was asked if Chaz Schilens returning to action Sunday was a “longshot” and answered yes, then in the next sentence said it was 50-50. Assuming the former unless Schilens is on the field Thursday. Also out are Robert Gallery and Nick Miller, while Hiram Eugene is questionable. Michael Huff did not practice but is expected to play. Mike Mitchell was practricing with his right thumb bandaged. Tyvon Branch had both thumbs wrapped but was not mentioned as being injured.
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September 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Do you Einsteins ever wonder why otherwise top ten talent, comes here to die, over and over and over again, year after year?
There’s evil in the palace, it smells of death and decomposing flesh
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KoolKell,
My point exactly. I posted that 19 of the Raiders 22 1st and 2nd round picks since 1999 have busted out….and one of the guys that didn’t bust was a kicker (Seabass)….yet everyone points their venom at the players. No one wants to assign responsibility to an owner that sets the offensive and defensive strategy and has sole discretion to picking the roster!
Everyone excuses Davis’ role almost exclusively.
DMAC, DHB, Russell, Huff, Gallery, Grove, Harris, Buchanon, Brayton, Teyo Johnson, Jolley, Washington, Routt, Bryant and on and on and on and on……
One or two players here and there….yeah….blame the player….19 of 22…that the organization and OWNER
September 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Schilens should be rushed to play this week. Shoot him up with pain killer or whatever.
The Raiders chances are limited….without Schilens the chances are non-existant.
A loss against Houston signals the end of the season for all practical purposes…unless you like watching meaningless games!
Play Schilens at all costs
September 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Start JLH and Schilens with Murphy in the slot.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Run the ball 45x…
Michael Bush gets 30 carries
Justin Fargas gets 10 carries
Darren McFumble gets 5 carries
September 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Playbook on NFLN just broke down the play.
They said Russell had no other options and should have thrown it away…..Of course you have to be careful of intentional grounding in the end zone.
They sent ONE M’FN PLAYER ON A ROUTE AND LEFT EVERYONE ELSE IN TO BLOCK!
What B.S! THey just did the film study.
Tell Cable to fricken get it together!
This is a “playoff” game this weekend!
Tell Russell to freekn play…in fact I’ll do it like this!
If they play flat this weekend cut’em all!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
You could put the top receivers in the NFL on the Raiders, and it wouldn’t help JaMongoBuns with his accuracy. It’s not receivers getting open, it’s JR getting the ball to them.
It’s like saying “Russell can’t hit the broad side of a barn”. Even if you replace that barn with another one, results likely won’t change
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SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Schilens should be rushed to play this week. Shoot him up with pain killer or whatever.
The Raiders chances are limited….without Schilens the chances are non-existant.
A loss against Houston signals the end of the season for all practical purposes…unless you like watching meaningless games!
Play Schilens at all costs
September 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
As long as JaMcDonalds is our starting QB we have ZERO chance of beating the Texans..
September 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
As if starting Schilens “at all costs” will produce a win. LFMAO.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
– Cable gave the Wednesday practice positive reviews.
“Today was excellent. It was tremendous focus,” Cable said. “We got the base plan in, tempo was good, effort was good. Shoot, I think maybe two or three repeats the whole practice so that’s what we’re looking for.”
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What nonsense! Show it on the field man! The Raider fan is sick and tired of performances like last week.
Give us a freekn PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM for a change.
1. A competent game plan
2. A QB that can complete a doggone pass
3. a receiver that can run a doggone route
4. A running back that…aw hell just start Michael Bush
5. A RT that doesn’t false start…already leads the league
6. A D-Line that doesn’t get manhandled!
7. A linebacker that isn’t afraid to hit someone downhill
8. A Defensive Coordinator that doesn’t have the MLB covering Andre Johnson
9. Change it up and fix this mess!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Darren McFumble and Russell are busts.
The Raiders won’t admit this until after this season is over.
Watching Peyton Manning the other night just killed me.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Blah blah blah Just f’in win you losers!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Einstein Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
As if starting Schilens “at all costs” will produce a win. LFMAO.
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Well not playing him will all but guarantee a loss!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Talk is cheap. Show it on the field come Sunday!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Must win freekn game! Must win game!
No more mulligans…no more.
Totally rip up whatever the game plan was and start a new. Practice went well today…B.S
Did you complete any passes in real coverage?
Did the running back (McFadden) fumble
Did Schlens practice?
I am so sick and tired of this 6 yrs of awful football. Bed and Breakfast…and making corrections that should have been taken care of in the preseason.
Al Davis is a joke. Al! Freekn leave the coaches and players alone and just sit and watch. DAMN!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Fullback Oren O’Neal’s take on the “on any given Sunday” philosophy: “Every team in the NFL is an NFL team.”
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Pretty sweet Oren, that is a yogi-ism.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
If Chazz isnt ready dont rush him back 4 the sake of 1 game…Thats sounds something a 49er fan would say
September 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
You ok SnB???
September 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Why are players coming to camp overweight?
Why are players not leaders?
Why are coaches so incompetent?
Why does this team play so doggone poorly?
Go get Michael Vick!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
A team of All-Stars, lol!!!!
Who would even start on most other teams: Nmamdi, Seymour, Howard, both kickers, Miller, Gallery, CJ……..and that’s about it.
All-stars my arse, just a bunch of overrated “talent”.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
OK SnB =)
September 30th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
If Chazz isnt ready dont rush him back 4 the sake of 1 game…Thats sounds something a 49er fan would say
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Save Chaz for what?
When the teamis 1-3?
Season is over at that point boss!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Per PFT…Is Bowie finally gone?? Thank God!
Raiders waive player acquired in Moss trade
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 30, 2009 6:32 PM ET
They say you need three years to evaluate a draft class, but you don’t need three full seasons to evaluate a trade.
So let’s step on a limb and declare that Oakland’s trade of Randy Moss for a fourth-round pick in 2007 wasn’t Al Davis’ best move, especially after the Raiders waived cornerback John Bowie Wednesday. (And yeah, we know Lane Kiffin pushed for it. Davis still pulled the trigger.)
Bowie the player Oakland selected with the pick acquired for Moss. The speedster — is there another type of Raiders cornerback? — didn’t play much in his three years on the team, and struggled with knee injuries.
There was a report earlier Wednesday that Bowie was placed on injured reserve, but ESPN’s Adam Schefter confirms that Bowie was waived.
It’s not entirely fair to criticize Davis for the trade since Moss poisoned his situation in Oakland so thoroughly, but a second day pick for one of the greatest wide receivers of all time is a weak haul, no matter how you rationalize it.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
How can the RAiders be so stupid and not put in a weight clause and some workload requirements in the contract?
Why not demand the guy show up and work every freekn day!
I am nearing the end of my capability to follow this team!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
If Chazz isnt ready dont rush him back 4 the sake of 1 game…Thats sounds something a 49er fan would say
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A 49er fan? No not me….but I have a hell of a lot of respect for how Mike Singletary is taking that largely talentless team and OUTWORKING everyone they play against.
Our team with all these so-called Rockstars are getting run out of their own half empty housse to a team of cast-offs!
I am a Raider fan….but since when do we have to ACCEPT blindly and loyally efforts like last week?
September 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
You ok SnB???
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To be honest…no! I’ve got tix to some Raider road games on the East Coast….and now I am not all that excited to go.
Why? BEcause the QB plays like a clown
THe 1st round pick is a bust
The RB (McFadden) is a joke to this point
And I have no faith in the coaching or the defense!
That’s why I am upset.
6yrs of this garbage.
Lose…that’s fine…I am patient and understand it takes time to build a team…but the team should be getting better and showing improvement!
When I see the 49ers, Bengals, Jets, Lions and others make improvements and then I read another stupid quote from CAble about “cutting it lose” “and good practice” or the QB and RB can’t play the game at all….I get p&S(Ssed
September 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
If Chazz isnt ready dont rush him back 4 the sake of 1 game…Thats sounds something a 49er fan would say
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Save Chaz for what?
When the teamis 1-3?
Season is over at that point boss!
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As long as JaBarbeque is our starting QB, the season is already lost.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Since loyalty is all important to Al, he should hold the players responsible. Apparently all they’re loyal to is his checkbook and not repaying his faith in them to win with actually doing so. Stop stealing the teams money. Stop looking to the other guy to make a damn play. I am truly, truly disgusted.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
The effort against San Diego was supposed to built on……that game might as well have been played in the 1980s along with the rest of the Raiders history!
Its B.S man! WHAT THE HELL DO THEY DO IN PRACTICE? SERIOUSLY? WHAT THE HELL DO THEY DO IN PRACTICE TO PLAY LIKE A BUNCH OF EXPLETIVES?
Youth is supposed to improve. To this point…Russell is garbage, McFadden is garbage, DHB is garbage, Warren, Kelly, Morrison are garbage, Green is garbage, carlisle is garbage, and Tom Cable and John Marhsall have shown TO THIS POINT to be totally incompetent.
And then you have Al Davis talking about “the will to win”
Show me on the field this Sunday man! This is a playoff game for this team.
Will someone tell this group of jokers to play to their freekn potential and win a damn game!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
4:30, must mean Krappy is finished with his afternoon nap, 3rd pant crapping of the day, his grandson Brian the Genital has logged him onto the blog and he’s posting as a Hot Pocket drips onto his bathrobe.
Looks like Little Ricky the Spazz is really losing his marbles today as well. I guess that’s what a Pop Rock sandwich chased by a Red Bull Big Gulp will do to a nervous system. That little dude is just plain screwy!
I still have yet to see anyone – Charged Down aside – get ruined on a regular basis like lil Ricky. I feel sorry for the little dude, but then again, I’m not the one doing 8 lines of meth under my bed every morning.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Seriously though! 6 year_+ of the worst football in NFL history.
I mean come on! Seriously! YOU HAVE TO SHOW IMPROVEMENT!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Some of you guys are ok with the losing. I can understand that. You are just happy to see the S&B play.
I was ok to a point. Not a 7th year of Bed and Breakfast football…No way!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Its embarrassing to have Sanchez, Stafford, Flacco, Ryan, Shaun Hill, Edwards all outperform our quarterback.
Who the hell lets the QB just aimlessly go through his 1st couple of years without preparing? That’s what I don’t get.
So the QB is allegedly a lazy good for nothing!
So where are the coaches, ownership, players to FORCE this guy to get it together. Where are the coaches to teach fundamentals.
I am getting to that point of walking away!
This crap is not professional!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
As long as JaFootlong with extra meat and cheese is our QB we will never show improvement.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Interesting to look back on this, we have virtually nobody (other than kickers) who has been on the team for longer than 5 years. Almost the entire core of the team has been assembled since 2007. Those awful drafts from 2001-2006 have set this team much further back than many of us realized at the time. We are like an expansion team essentially, but even Jacksonville and Carolina got themselves together faster than this. Our future rides on the draft picks from 2007 through 2009 and so far the returns are not good. If they all turn out like 2001-2006 picks, which is looking more and more likely, this team wont be competitive for at least another 5 years, ugh.
Raiders Draft History
2009
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey, starter
2. Mike Mitchell, back-up
3. Matt Shaughnessy, back-up
4a. Louis Murphy, starter
4b. Slade Norris, cut
6a. Stryker Sulak, cut
6b. Brandon Myers, back-up
2008
1. Darren McFadden, starter
4a. Tyvon Branch, starter
4b. Arman Shields, cut
6. Trevor Scott, back-up
7. Chaz Schilens, starter
2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, starter…barely
2. Zach Miller, TE, starter
3a. Quentin Moses, cut
3b. Mario Henderson, starter
3c. Johnnie Lee Higgins, back-up
4a. Michael Bush, RB, back-up
4b. John Bowie, CB, cut
5a. Jay Richardson, back-up
5b. Eric Frampton, cut
6. Oren O’Neal, starter
7. Jonathan Holland, back-up
2006
1. Michael Huff, back-up
2. Thomas Howard, starter
3. Paul McQuistan, back-up
4. Darnell Bing, cut
6. Kevin Boothe, cut
7a. Chris Morris, starter
7b. Kevin McMahan, cut
2005
1. Fabian Washington, cut
2. Stanford Routt, back-up
3a. Andrew Walter, cut
3b. Kirk Morrison, starter
6a. Anttaj Hawthorne, cut
6b. Ryan Riddle, cut
6c. Pete McMahon, cut
2004
1. Robert Gallery, starter at gaurd
2. Jake Grove, cut
3. Stuart Schweigert, cut
4. Carlos Francis, cut
5. Johnnie Morant, cut
6a. Shawn Johnson, cut
6b. Cody Spencer, cut
7a. Courtney Anderson, cut
2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, starter
1b. Tyler Brayton, cut
2. Teyo Johnson, cut
3a. Sam Williams, back-up
3b. Justin Fargas, back-up
4. Shurron Pierson, cut
5. Doug Gabriel, cut
6. Dustin Rykert, cut
7a. Sideeq Shabazz, cut
7b. Ryan Hoag, cut
2002
1a. Phillip Buchanon, cut
1b. Napoleon Harris, cut
2a. Langston Walker, cut
2b. Doug Jolley, cut
5. Kenyon Coleman, cut
6a. Keyon Nash, cut
6b. Larry Ned, cut
7. Ronald Curry, cut
2001
1. Derrick Gibson, cut
2. Marques Tuiasosopo, cut
3. DeLawrence Grant, cut
5. Raymond Perryman, cut
6. Chris Cooper, cut
7b. Ken-Yon Rambo, cut
September 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
STILL…no one can explain how this team regressed so much from the week 1 game.
Other than everyone got lazy and thought the season was a breeze and the stupid coach went along with it…probably practicing celebrating TDs.
It makes no sense man! NONE!
This weekend is a playoff game! Get it together!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I was disgusted after the Denver Broncos beat us last year the 1st game of the season last year…
But we got young talented players who are going 2 improve.
Last year we didnt start fast.This year we are not starting fast.And Gallery went down,Chazz,JLH and I guess the ex-Bronco dosent exist anymore.
We are injured AND young,couldnt happen at a worse time but we are injured AND young.
Soo maybe we will only be 5-11 or something,but you just hope for the best b/c there is nothing me or you can do except get ulcers or only look 4 the good that this team will be again,and I hope it starts Sunday against dem texan’s
September 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
WHAT THE HELL DO THEY DO IN PRACTICE? SERIOUSLY? WHAT THE HELL DO THEY DO IN PRACTICE TO PLAY LIKE A BUNCH OF EXPLETIVES?
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They practice plays where one guy goes out in a pattern, and don’t even ask me what they do on D in practice. No schemes, no new alignments, no blitz packages, just beat the man in front of you. How do you even practice that?
September 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
STILL…no one can explain how this team regressed so much from the week 1 game.
Other than everyone got lazy and thought the season was a breeze and the stupid coach went along with it…probably practicing celebrating TDs.
It makes no sense man! NONE!
This weekend is a playoff game! Get it together!
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This team regressed because we have a QB by the name of JaPhillySteakandCheese that would rather eat and play Xbox 360 than work like every other NFL Qb. Cut and dry, black and white, plain and simple.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
What a stupid coaching staff and owner. So arrogant! “We aren’t making any adjustments…you just come beat us man up!” As if opponents don’t watch film! As if opponents don’t make adjustments at half-time”
This is bullsh000 man!
^^^^^^^^Yep! That is a BIG problem with this owner/gm, coaches and team…..unable or just unwilling to make ADJUSTMENTS to what their opponent is doing or trying to do….
STUBBORNESS AND STUPIDITY at it’s finest!!
Freakin joke!
September 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
# vegas raider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
The Texans really aren’t that good, if we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot and play good ST, we should at least be in the game in the 4th.
The Texans are last in rush Def, almost last in points allowed, and turn the ball over. We handled them last year, so maybe Jamarcus will have his confidence high.
At least we don’t have to play on that infield dirt, this current Raiders team is awful on the dirt.
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We are awful on the dirt because JaSnickers thinks the dirty infield looks like a bunch of crushed Reeces peanut butter cups and it makes him hungry and he can’t concentrate when he is hungry. WHICH MEANS HE IS ALWAYS FN HUNGRY.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Your QB has a 40% completion rating
THe running back has 4 fumbles in a part-time role
The 1st round draft pick has 1 catch
The defense (with Seymour and Ellis) still ranks 28th or so in run defense
And the coach calls almost 50% of all pass attempts deep!
Don’t accuse me of not being loyal and all that grade school crap. I am looking at this thing for what it is.
The Lions, 49ers, Bengals and good Lawd, the Broncos are all showing signs of getting better…and in some cases MUCH better.
The Raiders….keep running in place like a hamster on a wheel!
I just want a win! I dont’ want another lost season 3 or 4wks into the season. I am so sick and tired of that!
Come on man — Get it the F together!
^^^^^^^^Couldn’t have said it better myself buddy!
The running in place like a hamster on a wheel analogy is right on!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I was disgusted after the Denver Broncos beat us last year the 1st game of the season last year…
But we got young talented players who are going 2 improve.
Last year we didnt start fast.This year we are not starting fast.And Gallery went down,Chazz,JLH and I guess the ex-Bronco dosent exist anymore.
We are injured AND young,couldnt happen at a worse time but we are injured AND young.
Soo maybe we will only be 5-11 or something,but you just hope for the best b/c there is nothing me or you can do except get ulcers or only look 4 the good that this team will be again,and I hope it starts Sunday against dem texan’s
September 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I miss Run Run Jones. May he rest in peace. I think he was more accurate at passing than JaPotRoast
September 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Seymour/Ellis are leading this team. Hopefully the players respond.
If they lose to the texans; all hell will break loose.
Russell will get benched, hopefully cut. Although $30M is pretty painful to lose with nothing to show for it.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
SNB and Einstien – Quit crying like little babies. Every post is wah wah wah. It’s getting old. You want to criticize the team… fine no problem. They deserve it. But wah wah wah all day long. Geez!!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Einstein,
I still blame the coaches and organization for the Quarterback.
A real organization sets the tone and provides examples and sets HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR PREPARATION!
I am point the responsibility on the coach and the freekn Owner.
Too many busts over the years to blame the players at this point.
Tell the freekn coaches to do their DOGGONE jobs and coach em up, motivate em, threaten em and whatever else they have to do.
A player not showing up in shape…bench him…that’s what Mike Tomlin did when Casey Hampton flunked the PT test! Same with the guy out in K.C to Glenn Dorsey.
Not in Oakland…party time…well that’s on the organization! People rise and fall to the expectations placed on them….stop with the false praise and easy go practices!
Repeat the plays until they get it right…like Kiffin said he did.
Dude, I am fed up with this amateur hour B.S
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JaPotRoast doesn’t care man. That is the problem. You can’t coach a player that doesn’t really want or care to learn, or even have the ability to learn. You can’t teach desire mang.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
The Texans really aren’t that good, if we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot and play good ST, we should at least be in the game in the 4th.
The Texans are last in rush Def, almost last in points allowed, and turn the ball over. We handled them last year, so maybe Jamarcus will have his confidence high.
At least we don’t have to play on that infield dirt, this current Raiders team is awful on the dirt.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Your QB has a 40% completion rating
THe running back has 4 fumbles in a part-time role
The 1st round draft pick has 1 catch
The defense (with Seymour and Ellis) still ranks 28th or so in run defense
And the coach calls almost 50% of all pass attempts deep!
Don’t accuse me of not being loyal and all that grade school crap. I am looking at this thing for what it is.
The Lions, 49ers, Bengals and good Lawd, the Broncos are all showing signs of getting better…and in some cases MUCH better.
The Raiders….keep running in place like a hamster on a wheel!
I just want a win! I dont’ want another lost season 3 or 4wks into the season. I am so sick and tired of that!
Come on man — Get it the F together!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
SnB is fired up today!!!!
I feel you though, that Chargers opening night was great, I haven’t been that into a game and as revved up throughout the game in awhile, it FELT like a game for the AFC lead.
Since than, nothing but duds.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Einstein,
I still blame the coaches and organization for the Quarterback.
A real organization sets the tone and provides examples and sets HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR PREPARATION!
I am point the responsibility on the coach and the freekn Owner.
Too many busts over the years to blame the players at this point.
Tell the freekn coaches to do their DOGGONE jobs and coach em up, motivate em, threaten em and whatever else they have to do.
A player not showing up in shape…bench him…that’s what Mike Tomlin did when Casey Hampton flunked the PT test! Same with the guy out in K.C to Glenn Dorsey.
Not in Oakland…party time…well that’s on the organization! People rise and fall to the expectations placed on them….stop with the false praise and easy go practices!
Repeat the plays until they get it right…like Kiffin said he did.
Dude, I am fed up with this amateur hour B.S
September 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
texguy Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
SNB and Einstien – Quit crying like little babies. Every post is wah wah wah. It’s getting old. You want to criticize the team… fine no problem. They deserve it. But wah wah wah all day long. Geez!!
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Naw boss! Losing 75 games in 6 years is OLD! I am done with blowing sunshine bro. The “wah, wah, wah” is so bad because the problems here are so doggone basic!
Maybe you are cool with “Just Try Baby!” But these guys are supposed to be on the cusp of respectability.
Then they go out and lay these enormous eggs that erase all the progress to date.
Will they get the desire to step up and play to their potential when they visit your neck of the woods.
Or will it be the same ol B.S followed up by media spin from the KSFO crew!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
maybe cable should go to JaPoatRoast’s pad and go over opponents on madden 2009 xbox 360
September 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Jamarcus is so inaccurate.
On interception #2 against denver, DHB was open and he threw it over his head to the wrong team. DHB, Murphy and all the other recievers should have some receptions. But as we come to find out, 3 and outs don’t amount to good passing stats.
I have never seen an offense struggle this much.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
# texguy Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
SNB and Einstien – Quit crying like little babies. Every post is wah wah wah. It’s getting old. You want to criticize the team… fine no problem. They deserve it. But wah wah wah all day long. Geez!!
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Hey “texgay” suck it azz hat. I can say whatever the fauk I want. You don’t like it, get the fauk out.
JaPotRoast is a loser, and he sucks. How you like them apples? Doesn’t mean I don’t want my team to win.
wah wah wah wah
September 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Wine and cheese all day long
September 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I dont think there is 1 happy fan in all the NATION at this time
September 30th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
ragin Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Wine and cheese all day long
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I was cool right up to that Broncos game. It looked just like 2006! It looked just like the Carolina, Atlanta and San Diego II games last year. It looked like 2007.
I know where the team is. IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK TO AT LEAST GET PROFESSIONAL EFFORT!
Or do we just sit back and be happy that the team played today!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I want to hear something about the Raiders correcting these GLARING WEAKNESSES!
Not just…”well we had a great practice” blah, blah, blah…….
Is the defense right?
Is the passing game right?
How about ball security?
Or is all that a secret too!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Schilens isnt ready and leave J Walker inactive ?
Brilliant! That way you can say JaMeatloaf was working with rookies and a WR with a broken foot…..doofus!
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Start JLH and Schilens with Murphy in the slot.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Mistabrown Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Schilens isnt ready and leave J Walker inactive ?
Brilliant! That way you can say JaMeatloaf was working with rookies and a WR with a broken foot…..doofus!
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Start JLH and Schilens with Murphy in the slot.
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Season is on the line this week bro
September 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
SnB,
Do you smoke alot of pot or are you just naturally brain dead ?
September 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I dont think there is 1 happy fan in all the NATION at this time
And I dont think there is 1 person that is happy about the problems we are still incurring like time problems 4an example
Nothing,not even the web page is working in correctly in Raider-Land
September 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
we must stop financing this team !!!!!!!! we all have enough hat’s and shirts to last a few years while we let al d’s money run out
9.50 a beer plus parking plus tickets man phuk that.
sign up for direc t.v have it installed wait one month call them tell them you were moved by work to los angeles and you moved and installed your dish yourself (give them a made up adress in L.A. ( they dont check trust me i know) sign up for paperless billing and pay online. with that you can order the sunday ticket and not be subject to the blackouts.
you can tune in every sunday to watch the madness.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
49ers, Jets, Bengals, Packers, Broncos and Lions…all showing improvement and playing ball…
Yet, we in Raiderland are supposed to sit back and smile and say….
Hey guys 40% completion….4 fumbles….200+ rush yards allowed is all good….
Nope!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Mistabrown Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
SnB,
Do you smoke alot of pot or are you just naturally brain dead ?
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Don’t do drugs….
But 6+ years of 75 losses and counting is probably having the same effect……especially as I go back and accept more punishment the next week.
Just give me a good freekn effort..that’s all!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I dont think there is 1 happy fan in all the NATION at this time
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There shouldn’t be! If your kid came back with all C’s and D’s…you’d be upset….
This team erased all of the goodwill it built up with an utterly familiar and hopelessly pathetic effort last week.
They aren’t getting better…and that’s the problem
September 30th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Tell Russell to watch Flacco
Tell DMAC to watch Chris Johnson
Tell DHB to watch Johnny Knox
and tell the defense to go watch the Vikings….
September 30th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
On a positive note:
Mario Henderson is the man! Way to step up your game kid. Locking down that LT position. At least one IMPORTANT position is locked down. Keep it up! Good move hiring Rosenhaus….after watching all these other guys get the money…you definitely deserve a slice…especially given that the coaches didn’t want to give you a chance at all!
September 30th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Now that the Lions have won, the Raiders may be the worst team in the league.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
And you…go watch the 49ers.
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Tell Russell to watch Flacco
Tell DMAC to watch Chris Johnson
Tell DHB to watch Johnny Knox
and tell the defense to go watch the Vikings….
September 30th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SnB
you should par-take of da erb bro,SHE is joy in dark times =)
September 30th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Would have been nice to bring in a Parcells type person in the front office like Al said he was considering on doing. Mr. Davis, its not too late…you are a couple of moves away from something decent. Just suck up some of that pride, man. Get rid of the stink, and bring back the funk. Hell, bring back Gruden, or even Gannon. Talk about commitment to excellence, Gannon practically led the Raiders to their last Superbowl. Lord know Callahan didn’t do sh%t. Have him as GM.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Worst then the browns? Then the chiefs? Then the dolphins? Then the jags? Should I go on? There is light at the end I can see it..,
September 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
This team regressed because we have a QB by the name of JaPhillySteakandCheese that would rather eat and play Xbox 360 than work like every other NFL Qb. Cut and dry, black and white, plain and simple.
Well wouldn’t you with all that guaranteed money coming to him??? Hundred dolla bills yall!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I know what you’re saying Ragin, but at least those organizations can have a reasonable expectation of turning things around at some point. If not this year, then some point in the future. Can we really say that about the Raiders?
September 30th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
SnB
I feel your frustration, bro.
You must have come to the certain conclusion, that this won’t get better until Davis is GONE, period.
That sick organization destroys young players.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
We need to introduce Jamarsbar to Jared from Subway
September 30th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
this is a different team….
September 30th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Nobody plays fantasy football with JaPotRoast Krappy. Can’t blame the “white” Al Davis for the lack of skills of the “black” Qb.
We can all see what you are getting at. Just say it you racist pig.
JaPotRoast SUCKS Krappy Kell. Plain and simple, black and white. Blame Al you want, just another “white” man putting down the “black” man right Krappy? It’s all Al Davis fault that JaMarsBar SUCKS.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
No way Mike Singletary would be allowed to do his thing in Oakland, like he’s doing in SF.
No way any Coach in Oakland is allowed to develop anything organically in the locker-room between players and coaches. The stuff that produces fidelity, and emotional investment, esprit d’ corp. All the shyt that’s lacking in Oakland. All because Al Davis is shining the light on himself. Up in his office playing fantasy football with the Raiders.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
STILL…no one can explain how this team regressed so much from the week 1 game.
Other than everyone got lazy and thought the season was a breeze and the stupid coach went along with it…probably practicing celebrating TDs.
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# Oakglenn Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Oakglenn, face it. The team is not focused anymore. That’s all I saw watching the stream last night. I’m seeing a different team than I saw in the previous two weeks. Different level of intensity. Note: We looked like a new team until this Davis/Gannon fiasco. Suddenly, we look like the old Raiders, on BOTH sides of the ball. Think the Gannon distraction, unnecessarily created by Davis, had any effect on practice the previous week?
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MR yes and no. I think you are right about the team not being focused. (you know, I don’t ever think I’ve called you right before.) Just kidding. They did NOT have good days of practice on Thurs and Fri. I don’t think the Gannon fiasco had anything to do with it. I think they played a very poor game in KC and still won. They then thought they could just sleep walk thru a Denver team poised for a fall. Well, that doesn’t happen in the NFL. Denver came out focused and determined to beat our ass. And they did. Soundly. They say that losses motivate teams more than wins. Let’s hope that’s the case this week.
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Here’s Greg Ellis and Nnams take:
Ellis and Richard Seymour agreed with Nnamdi Asomugha’s contention that last Friday’s practice was a big part of the Raiders downfall against the Broncos.
“I think we had a lot of mental errors. Friday practices aren’t tremendously physical practices. But it’s more of a mental day,” Seymour said. “And I think that’s something we all have to tighten up on if we want to be a good football team.
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Believe me now??
September 30th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Einstein
You’ve got serious problems.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Interesting comparison Krappy Kell. Considering the coach in SF is “black” and the coach in Oakland is “white”. Hmmmm, you are so clever. So basically you are saying Al wouldn’t let a “brutha do his thang”? Guess that counts out Art Shell and even Tom Flores?
September 30th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
You are so transparent Krappy Kell it’s almost laughable, and sad at the same time. You have a very bitter life. It’s always the “man’s” fault. You didn’t get yours because of “the man”. You are one of those excuse makers…. Always an excuse for everything when the obvious is slapping you in the face.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Einstein,
While I don’t necessarily agree with the fact that JaMarcus is done, your new names for him every post have me rolling. That is some funny stuff.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Would someone please tell Russell that this is his LAST chance. Give number 5 the ball and a shot to take his job. He looked good in preseason and we need a new leader cause Russell SUCKS!!
September 30th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
# KoolKell Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
No way Mike Singletary would be allowed to do his thing in Oakland, like he’s doing in SF.
No way any Coach in Oakland is allowed to develop anything organically in the locker-room between players and coaches. The stuff that produces fidelity, and emotional investment, esprit d’ corp. All the shyt that’s lacking in Oakland. All because Al Davis is shining the light on himself. Up in his office playing fantasy football with the Raiders.
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Nicely said. Unfortunately, for us the fans, it’s also very true. AD has no respect for coaches. They are just an administrative necessity. This is why we will never have a quality HC because they wouldn’t put up with AD’s meddling. The one exception was Gruden who always said yes sir and then went and did it his way in spite of AD. As long as he kept winning he could keep playing that game. Gruden is probably the only qualified HC that might consider coming back here. He’s knows how to play AD and AD knows Gruden might be able to get him back to the promised land before it’s time for him to check out. I’d definitely be open to having Gruden back. Somehow I don’t think JaBeefRoll’s a$$ would ever be the same. That might be what it will take to have him step up.
HeadLine might read: CHUCKIE INSTRUCTS JR ON HOW TO REMOVE HEAD FROM POSTERIOR. JR NOW SEES THE LIGHT.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
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September 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
We got a healty Pro Bowl receiver making $4.6 mil and a minimum wage 7th rounder hurt. And we are doing what now? I’m telling you, we should start the game like this:
If we win coin flip we should defer and send Jano out. Let the defense set the tone.
Then when JaMinkCoat does his first 3 and out we bench him for Gradkowski.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
When you have a team that is even “considering” guys named Garcia, Gradkowski and Frye as the savior….your screwed!
September 30th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
The Raiders are the only franchise where players appear to quit
September 30th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
or players get lazy, overweight, can’t hold the ball, dysfunctional and all that stuff.
Question: At what point do the Raiders coaches and front office get tired of this shhhhh?
Why is it that Singletary can take a team of average players and make them play over their talent level….or a guy like Harbaugh can turn a DII QB into a superstar?
I am so sick of this shhhhhhhhhhh
September 30th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
The thing about this game for JaKrispy Kreme is that this is a break NOT make game for him. If he still sucks, which he will, the he just continues to suck. But, on the other hand (which I’m sure he has a doughnut in both) if he wins, he will need to put together another 12 solid games in order to be successful. Either way, JaWeinerschnitzel has buried himself a hole I don’t think King Kong could climb out of.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Mistabrown,
I watch a lot of NFL football. I like to follow good stories and see talent rise to the top.
I don’t live in the Bay area, so I don’t share your intense hatred for all things 49ers.
I only care about Denver, K.C and San Diego….of which we are 1-2 and playing uninspired lazy…bullsh9ooo football.
I admire Singletary, Rex Ryan, Mike Smith and Jim Harbaugh have done for their teams.
I just wish I could see some of that here!
September 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
SnB that is a good plan. BUT until we can pass, which we cant with JaIn’n'Out burger, teams are going to put 8 in the box, which makes it difficult for any team to run against. Every team will force JaPopeye’s chicken to beat them, which he can’t. But I bet he can put down a few buckets of chicken!!
September 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Oakland fans are the only ones that could legitimately put their hopes in retreads and also-rans and actually expect a positive result.
If Russell fails…go pick up a QB that is from a Northern state or USC
September 30th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Im talking in the past which is actually in the future. This blog is new wave…
September 30th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
im disgusted with this franchise!
September 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
When you have a team that is even “considering” guys named Garcia, Gradkowski and Frye as the savior….your screwed!
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I don’t think “the team” is considering those guys as the saviour, “the team” knows better. It’s the dummass fans that want those other guys. And just for reference the last regular season game Gradkowski started, the 08 Finale against Pittsburgh he was 7 for 21 for 26 yards and THREE PICKS!! Maybe some of those dummass “fans” should just shut the fook up.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Keys to victory:
1. Run the football -pound it all game-
2. Defense has to stop the run and blanked Daniels and Johnson….need to pressure the QB
3. Start Michael Bush
4. Start Chaz Schilens
5. Start Johnnie Lee Higgins
6. Play Murphy and Walker
September 30th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
All your good QBs not named Manning are from Northern and Western Schools or 2nd tier schools (Wheres the SEC and Big 12)
1. Donavan McNabb – Syracuse
2. Tony Romo – Eastern Illinois
3. Jay Cutler – Vanderbuilt…that’s hardly a real southern football school
4. Aaron Rogers – Cal
5. Drew Brees – Purdue
6. Matt Ryan – Boston College
7. Shaun Hill – Maryland
8. Matt Hasselback – Boston College
9. Kurt Warner – Northern Iowa
10. Trent Edwards – Stanford
11. Tom Brady – Michigan
12. Mark Sanchez – USC
13. Joe Flacco – Delaware
14. Ben Rothlisberger – Miami of Ohio
15. Carson Palmer – USC
16. Kerry Collins – Penn State
17. Philip Rivers – NC State
18. Brett Favre – Southern Miss
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Russell – LSU
Stafford _ Georgia
September 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Cable has made it clear Walker is not playing unless there is a rash a injuries to other WR’s. I don’t know if that is because they see in practice that Walker just doesn’t have it anymore, or if it is because they are determined to get the young WR’s going. Either way the end result is still the same.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
WILL MY F’N DODGERS JUST WIN THAT “1″ GAME ALREADY. DAM MANG, THEY ARE KILLIN ME.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
The thing is, Al Nation is willing to play their part in this yearly fraud on the fans, and scapegoat players, coaches, staff, and dismiss any culpability of the man in charge.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
The Raiders are the only franchise where players appear to quit
i truely believe its how AD runs his Def….. it doesnt put them in a possition to succeed! if they could blitz more to put pressure on the QB would get them off the field more times than not.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
When you have a team that is even “considering” guys named Garcia, Gradkowski and Frye as the savior….your screwed!
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I don’t think “the team” is considering those guys as the saviour, “the team” knows better. It’s the dummass fans that want those other guys. And just for reference the last regular season game Gradkowski started, the 08 Finale against Pittsburgh he was 7 for 21 for 26 yards and THREE PICKS!! Maybe some of those dummass “fans” should just shut the fook up.
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I hope you are right. Should Gradkowski or Garcia start….that will be pretty much it for me.
Teams that win develop long-term solutions to the QB position. Not play 39 yr old journeyman or QBs that were cut from a half dozen teams
September 30th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Gradkowitzki looking good in practice, hmm is he sensing his time is coming to start again????
September 30th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Einstein,
I hear what you are saying. I am not ready to give up on the team or the Quarterback yet. I still think they can win and I still think they can play at a high level.
Now if they continue to flub it up…then I will call it the season after this week…but I still have hope and that hope starts this weekend…….
September 30th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Next year Al will draft Coy McCoy or Snead both will suck if they get drafted by the raiders.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Here the problem as I see it:
Probability of becoming great:
Russell = 30%
Gradkowski = 0%
Frye = 0%
Garcia = 40 years old
That’s why Russell has to play and continue to go through this.
Those other guys are not going to win you games. So if you are going to lose…better to lose trying to find out if you have a franchise qB.
Playing “crafty ole vets” and castoffs is a deadend 95% of the time. And even when those vets perform…its usually only for a year or two.
Guys like Drew Brees and Jay Cutler are RARELY available if ever
September 30th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
just think! AD never called Brees. i was hoping to god we would have gotten him that year.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
SD screwed up when they had Brees and Rivers. they could have traded for lots of good picks for one of them.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I was in the stadium on Sunday (my first NFL game ever, as I usually live in Switzerland) and I couldn’t believe what I saw. JaMarcus has to be benched and Gradkowski should start against the Texans, it can’t get any worse! The whole team needs to improve a lot: The D-Line needs to put pressure on Schaub, because even Asomugha can’t cover Andre Johnson for 5 or more seconds, the LB’s need to step it up and Cable has to call a way better game. We are good at running the ball and totally suck at throwing it, so just hand Bush the ball 25 times and share the other 15 + carries between Fargas and McFumble. If the run works, we may can risk to put the ball in the hands of our athletic franchise QB and he’ll complete one or three throws to Zach Miller (out of 15 attemps), thanks to his tremendous accuracy.
About the 07 and 08 draft:
2007
I wanted: Calvin Johnson
We got: A walrus
Imagine how it would look today if we drafted: Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Jon Beason or Patrick Willis.
2008
I wanted: Vernon Gholston
We got: one McFumble with fries and a coke
Imagine: Joe Flacco or Chris Johnson
September 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round, we will continue to suck. Denver drafted Ryan Clady and they are 3-0. We drafted Darren McFumble and we are 1-2.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Someone once asked Vince Lombardi what he did with running backs that fumble. He said, “I don’t keep them.”
September 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Kirk Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round, we will continue to suck. Denver drafted Ryan Clady and they are 3-0. We drafted Darren McFumble and we are 1-2.
this makes no sense at all. wow! Denver is not a 3-0 team. look who they have played. they will come back down to earth soon.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
After the game, hearing Cable’s excuse about “Friday just didn’t seem right. All of the stars in the universe weren’t lined up right. Our “wan” felt out of place. We weren’t in symbiosis”
WELL, WHO’S JOB IS IT TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT, you sloppy blob? Most coaches WOULDN’T LET PRACTICE END until they got it right. Those who screwed up? did it over and over and over.
And having players say “Yeah, it was sloppy as hell.”?
No excuse for allowing it, much less using it later as a copout.
And for once wouldn’t it be nice to hear Cable actually call out a player, or at least a group?
Saying “we have to tighten things up” “We have to finish our tackles” “We have to find a way to get it done” is words coaches say just before they get fired.
Here, let me help you, Tommy.
“The play was TOTALLY unacceptable”
“If you can’t get the job done, we’ll get someone in who will.”
“No more excuses. I’m embarrassed to see what was on the field today, and now I’m going to kick some ass”
Is Winnie the Pooh up to it?
I doubt it.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
McFadden puts fumbles behind him
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.
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McFadden haunted by last weeks fumbles
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-mcfadden&prov=ap&type=lgns
Which is it Jerry? WHICH IS IT?!!!!! LOL!~
Josh DuBrow AP “Sports writer”
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 at 4:36 PM pacific
September 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
vegas raider Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
The Raiders have won the coin toss all 3 games and took the ball. Two 3 and outs the last two weeks, and a promising drive on opening night ended with a Russell INT.
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Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Denver won the toss but wanted to kick!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
SnB I disagree with u, JR is a bust and won’t learn anything from losing games and proving that he is a bust, you don’t need a crystal ball to see that this QB was never ready to start in the NFL, you know what happened the year after JR won the sugar bowl for LSU, LSU became national champions, he is a system QB who happened to strive playing the spread offense and never had the mechanics to play in the NFL, compare him to the heisman winner Troy Smith or Alex Smith juniors who went for the money. Tim Tebow is supposedly the QB to ever played the game, why didn’t he bail out last year cause Al Davis won’t draft him and probably would have ended up a fourth rounder. My point is JR was hyped abt his arm because all the media personals knew this Al believes in vertical offense while JR never played under that system, he should have drafted Cutler instead of Huff since he had the stronger arm between V Young n Lienart cuz he proved he could operate from center. JR sucks will suck under this scheme, u want him to succeed change the scheme simple. Others can weight on my comments.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Raiders4eve,
Russell went to LSU. Any quarterback graduating from a southern school is going to struggle mightily. Southern football is to the NFL what the “And-1 Mix-Tape tour” or Harlem Globetrotters are to the NBA.
See, down in the south land (SEC/Big12) the fans down there love college football more than NFL football. Therefore, the college coaches down there aren’t interested in developing talent…they are interested in collecting as much elite talent so that they can Al Davis their opponents.
Southern football is garbage….all your good QBs go to Northern and a few Western schools because the latter schools teach the intracacies of the game and don’t have superior athletes to rely on.
Look at Tim “Hot Sauce” Tebow. He had Louis Murphy and Percy Harvin last year…Gimmie a break…just toss up the ball and someone is going to catch it. Russell was a raw QB coming out of LSU. Les Miles can’t develop a QB.
That’s why Sam Bradford and Major Appl….excuse me, Colt McCoy are going to bust out.
Southern football is garbage
September 30th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
The Raiders have won the coin toss all 3 games and took the ball. Two 3 and outs the last two weeks, and a promising drive on opening night ended with a Russell INT.
If we win the toss again, please kick the ball and take the ball in the second half.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Repost per my post on Southern Football:
All your good QBs not named Manning (thank their father not their schools) are from Northern and Western Schools or 2nd tier schools (Wheres the SEC and Big 12)
1. Donavan McNabb – Syracuse
2. Tony Romo – Eastern Illinois
3. Jay Cutler – Vanderbuilt…that’s hardly a real southern football school
4. Aaron Rogers – Cal
5. Drew Brees – Purdue
6. Matt Ryan – Boston College
7. Shaun Hill – Maryland
8. Matt Hasselback – Boston College
9. Kurt Warner – Northern Iowa
10. Trent Edwards – Stanford
11. Tom Brady – Michigan
12. Mark Sanchez – USC
13. Joe Flacco – Delaware
14. Ben Rothlisberger – Miami of Ohio
15. Carson Palmer – USC
16. Kerry Collins – Penn State
17. Philip Rivers – NC State
18. Brett Favre – Southern Miss
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Russell – LSU
Stafford _ Georgia
September 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Brodeur,
You may be right, most teams that win the toss take the ball, so I just assumed it.
Either way, I do not want to see Jamarcus with the ball first.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Colt McCoy will fall out of the first round, IMO, he won’t grade out to well on the measurables.
Bradford has potential, with an NFL arm, but he is soft. If BYU can push you around and punk you than you may have issues when you play the Baltimore’s of the world.
Give me a West Coast QB any-day of the week.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Good work Brodeur, I stand corrected but my point is still the same.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Just looked it up on raiders.com:
“Denver won the opening coin toss and chose to defer their choice to the start of the second half.”
Which was a great choice by the Broncos, because it’s pretty obvious that the Raiders won’t be able to move the ball and so the Broncos took the momentum and never gave it away.
Something has to happen and Schilens is NOT the answer to our problems. Getting Miller back is a good decision but it will take a lot to get Russell going. If the situation doesn’t change: means a uneffectiv groundgame, starting rookie WR’s or the coaching staff nothing will happen! Russell won’t improve if Cable can’t give him easy throws and if the WR’s don’t start to catch uncatchable balls!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
While Dallas is selling out 100,000 tickets, the raiders are going at a rate of 30,000 vacant seats. Al Davis should make a blackedout section across harbor way parkway right beside IN N OUT best describe how the raiders play ever since that whoopin’ in 02′. the only attraction in oakland now is the warriors playing this season, but bad news even monta ellis wants out because of curry, not good!
Back to the raiders, offense and defense is stuff’d basically like mayweather putting marquez on the canvas. Jamarcus Russell looks like a build-a-bear w/full of sheeyet greasy summer heat southern super size meatloaf!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
While Dallas is selling out 100,000 tickets, the raiders are going at a rate of 30,000 vacant seats. Al Davis should make a blackedout section across harbor way parkway right beside IN N OUT best describe how the raiders play ever since that whoopin’ in 02′. the only attraction in oakland now is the warriors playing this season, but bad news even monta ellis wants out because of curry, not good!
Back to the raiders, offense and defense is stuff’d basically like mayweather putting marquez on the canvas. Jamarcus Russell looks like a build-a-bear w/full of sheeyet greasy summer heat southern super size meatloaf!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Graham Herrell and Chase Daniels not even drafted.
Why would an elite High School QB prospect waste his time going to Florida State or Alabama
September 30th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
JP Losman can shine under the vertical scheme at least he is more accurate than JR, Losman sucked in Buffalo because he couldn’t operate the WCO but in his long passes he supplied Evans, I would hope JR gets injured so we can sign him.
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Where did JP Losman play college ball? Rex Grossman?
September 30th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
RUN! RUN ! RUN! Shove the ball down the Texans throat! With their weak run D, is there another option? The only pass that JR,should throw is when we are flagged for our usual false starts. I will wear my jersey proud in H-Town, and still bleed Silver & Black when I leave.Resign Garcia, he knows the offense, and give these guys a chance. Don’t let the team quit before the 4th game of the season. I sure don’t want to be sitting in Dallas with a 2 -8 record!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
JP Losman can shine under the vertical scheme at least he is more accurate than JR, Losman sucked in Buffalo because he couldn’t operate the WCO but in his long passes he supplied Evans, I would hope JR gets injured so we can sign him.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
But I will take an SEC LB or DE any day of the week.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Until we have dominant lines (both O & D), it doesn’t make any difference who our QB is. Next draft, ALL Linemen except for 1 run stopping MLB.
OT
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DT
OG
MLB
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OT/G
September 30th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
I would love to have Michael Vick on this team just to give Russell some competition. Vick can scramble for some positive yards if the protection falls down, Russell can’t. If he doesn’t care about being the starter, let him earn his paycheck as o-lineman, maybe that’s his true talent.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
It all starts at the top. DAVIS NEEDS TO SELL THE TEAM!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Losman sucks,he is out here loving life in Vegas, getting spotted at all the clubs and such. He will probably stink it up in the UFL.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Raiders4eve,
I wouldn’t say Russell is at 0%. He has the physical tools…its all about his mentality and his talent.
If he can get traction this week we will sel.
I am not interested in watching Frye, Gradkowski or Garcia. I’ve seen that movie 1000x. Its Josh McCown all over again.
Teams dont’ get rid of good QBs….Frye and Gradkowski would be out of the league if not for the Raiders….and Garcia is out of the league.
If the Raiders aren’t building for the long-term…I am not interested in watching or following.
If they go 5-11 again, it won’t matter who the QB is.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
SnB u still didn’t answer me, I understand what u saying abt Southern colleges QBs but what I was pointing out to you that there is no 30% for JR, he is zero and will remain zero, I pointed out that JR this year is not ready to start and will never succeed in the vertical offense cause he is a system QB played the spread all his life, we don’t have the personal to help him succeed so why be patient with him? Why stick with him? Currently Frye n Grad are better than him cause they can move the chains under this personal, as we say it in football terminology they give us the best chance to win.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Wine and cheese
September 30th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
SnB I know Losman played for Tulane don’t care abt injury prone Grossman, btw for those calling Losman suck, dude choose UFL cause he wanted to play and improve his game rather than carrying bottles in the bench, I seen him play he had some bad games but he could gun it like Cutler with accuracy nothing that JR could do, check his stats and compare it to JR 40% QB rating
September 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Russell should be benched for a minimum of 2 games,just like the Stealers did to Bradshaw in the early 70s.let him sit ,watch,and understand that his ineptitude is not acceptable.maybe it will help him realize he has to dedicate himself.
to those blaming Cable,what is he supposed to say-we have a QB who sucks,but we paid him $60 million so we have to play him.that would go over great,wouldn’t it,even if it is true.we must remember the players seem to stick together against fan criticism.after all,they have it so hard.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Ok SnB answer me this question, when did Garcia, Grad, Frye or Losman ever had three games with 39.8% QB rating or been the worst QB in the league? If u answer this question, I will rest my case.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Raiders4eve,
Losman didn’t choose the UFL, he wasn’t invited to an NFL training camp and this was the best job he could find. He was a legendary partier in college, it carried into the NFL, and he has been spotted all over this town. He isn’t improving his game, he is getting a paycheck and spending 6 months in Las Vegas, that’s it.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
teams don’t get rid of good QBs-you are kidding right!didn’t TB get rid of Young?didn’t NE and SF get rid of Plunkett?what you all seem to forget or just don’t understand is EVERY team makes mistakes about players.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Ok SnB answer me this question, when did Garcia, Grad, Frye or Losman ever had three games with 39.8% QB rating or been the worst QB in the league? If u answer this question, I will rest my case.
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I just don’t get excited about left over QBs that are not in demand.
Why aren’t those QBs on another roster?
I am just being a realist. Those guys will do for Oakland what Josh McCown and Donald Hollas did for the Raiders
Look, we have what we have. If Russell fails…the franchise is set back a long time.
I just don’t believe in the retread QB. I think its a waste of time playing them. There is a reason they are available
September 30th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Ok SnB answer me this question, when did Garcia, Grad, Frye or Losman ever had three games with 39.8% QB rating or been the worst QB in the league? If u answer this question, I will rest my case.
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So hope that a QB that got cut in week 1 from Cleveland and cut as a 3rd stringer or the QB that got cut from Tampa and Cleveland or the other guy that got cut from 7 teams and the guy now playing in the UFL to come start.
What sense does that really make? What did we get for the McCown/Culpepper, Hollas, Collins, Brooks, years.
It rarely works and this team is no where near the class of a minnesota vikings.
You end up like the Titans. Staring at a losing season and having no QB
September 30th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
teams don’t get rid of good QBs-you are kidding right!didn’t TB get rid of Young?didn’t NE and SF get rid of Plunkett?what you all seem to forget or just don’t understand is EVERY team makes mistakes about players.
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So we gotta rely on someone else making a mistake?
That’s why the Raiders are where they are at?
I see Brady, Mannings, Rothlisberger, McNabb making multiple playoff and S.B runs….you need a QB that can line up for a decade.
Not this 2 and 3 yrs and out B.S.
Look at Tennessee. Collins gave them 1 mediocre year…back to the drawing board.
You have to develop a QB.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
SnB,what you fail to see,imo,is nobody is asking for one of these “retreads” to permanently take the job.its kind of like a hitter in baseball.if he is in a slump,you sit him for a game or two.Russell needs to be sat down so he can evaluate what we wants to do-take the money and run,or dedicate himself and become what he should be.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
If you are going to go retread veteran…go with Michael Vick. In all seriousness..he’s a guy that can improvise. Which is necessary for the ancient offense the Raiders run
September 30th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
SnB,what you fail to see,imo,is nobody is asking for one of these “retreads” to permanently take the job.its kind of like a hitter in baseball.if he is in a slump,you sit him for a game or two.Russell needs to be sat down so he can evaluate what we wants to do-take the money and run,or dedicate himself and become what he should be.
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Either Russell gets it this year or you cut him
September 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
SnB,in reality in the 50 years of this franchise with 5 SB appearances and 3 SB wins,we have only had 1(one) QB who was developed by the team.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Look,as a season ticket guy,since before 95,Im lost for words,trying to explain to my kids and grandkids WHY I follow this team after six YEARS of JUNK,its because the RAIDERS have brought me so much in terms of family,friends,tailgating,and the GREAT YEARS,so hard to explain to the new young fans,they have seen losing,keep the faith,lets not GIVE UP on THIS team,I dont believe this team are quitters,dont think Im wrong,guess we will see,SUN RAIDERS!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
The Raider offense is set up for a big arm QB/gunslinger in the mold of a Marino, Favre or Cutler….
Those Jake Delhomme look a likes you guys are tossing around will result in failure here.
Better off looking at some Undrafted Free Agents and getting them a shot.
Gradkowski is injury relief..Frye is just an arm.
This is about Russell…either he gets it and the Raiders move on or he fails and we just continue what we’ve been living for the past 6 yrs.
Not very complicated
September 30th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Lefty why am I reminded of you telling us how good DHB looked in a pre-season game with 0 catches?
Looks like he’s keeping pace eh Lefty ?
September 30th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
SnB,in reality in the 50 years of this franchise with 5 SB appearances and 3 SB wins,we have only had 1(one) QB who was developed by the team
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And 25 of those years: 1987 to 2009 (sans 2000-2003) has been awful.
Wilson, Schroeder, Beurlein, Evans, Marinovich, Hostetler, Hobert, Hollis, Wilson, George, Gannon, Collins, Brooks, Walter, McCown, Culpepper and now Russell.
Develop a QB if you want to win consistently. That’s the way things are done in the 21st century..unless of course you happen to trade for your opponents coach and said opponent doesn’t change the playcalling and terminology……
September 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
SnB,if everyone thought like you we would never have seen players like Unitas,Bradshaw,Plunkett,Favre,Young,and many others.i’m not saying Russell will ever compare to any of those guys,but sitting him might be the wake-up call he needs.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Florida Pete Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:37 am
this whole mess has to do with drafting from the outside in…
i really thought we should have gone after Brees… good, experienced quarterbacks are hard to find… and the raiders have experienced good results with these “old-timers”…
the way the draft works these days… if it were my money… i would simply announce before the draft that i have no intention of paying first round money to whoever i draft… then i would promptly draft a 3rd round caliber fellow… and tell him 3rd round money will be the offer… take it… leave it… retire… i would not care…
big money should go to big players…
russell, mcfadden, heyward bey are not big players… they weren’t on draft day… and it doesn’t appear that they are now… but between them, they account for a big part of the payroll…
money that could go and should go to signing legitimate big time players…
drafting for need is a heck of an idea… it all starts up front… lineman… offense and defense… draft them, try them out… toss the losers… run with the winners…
Gibbs proved years ago that an outstanding line can create a probowl quarterback… the opposite is not true…
russell may very well turn into the pro-bowler we all hope he will eventually be… but the cost of training him is huge… losing while he learns… paying him all-pro money while he learns… and here’s what’s really special…
his appreciation when his contract is up… and assuming he does become the franchise QB we are all hoping for… is to demand as much money as he can or find a new team…
IMHO… Brees was a missed opportunity…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Here’s how valuable a franchise QB is.
Cincy busted with Klingler, Akili Smith and they still went ahead and got Carson Palmer #1.
The Jets traded way up to get Sanchez….
You either have one or you are developing one.
Drew Brees, Jay Cutler’s of the world rarely come along in free agency/trade…..rarely if ever
September 30th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Florida Pete Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 6:36 am
you know… if we didn’t have any talent at all… i could understand the past two games…
routt should never see the field… he should never get another check with the Raiders logo on it…
Bush should be the main back…
put your best receivers out there… and one of those is not Heyward-Bey… who, by the way, does NOT deserve to have a hyphen in his name… he needs to earn that freaking hyphen… in the meantime his name should be “fastguy”…
Russell should be pulled after his first 8 throws if his completion percentage is less than .500… hell, even Elway got pulled in favor of Gary Kubiak early in his career… yeah, the guy we’re about to face this weekend…
i’m sick of Zombie Football…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Florida Pete,
Hindsight is perfect vision. When Brees was available he had a busted up shoulder. The other big time free agent was Daunte Culpepper and his busted up knee.
No one was sure which guy was the pick. Saints got lucky…Dolphins ended up going 1-15 with Cleo Lemon.
Gotta develop a young QB. He doesn’t have to be a #1 pick…hell the kid could be a 7th round pick. But you gotta develop him. Most free agents are deeply flawed QBs or too damn old for a developing team to be any use
September 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Florida Pete Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 5:31 am
McDaddy can look for a wrestling match every time he encounters a pile up… people are not going to want him down… they’re going to want to stand him up and hack at the ball…
he needs to sit and watch… a game or two ought to convey the importance of ball security…
right now i am so discouraged with this team… i was so impressed with the effort against SanDiego… and now we have… what??? zombies…
zombie football…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Every post SnB wrote ditto and I feel the same way , life long Raider fan and it gets bleaker and bleaker every loss. The opening game vs SD at the end after Sproles TD they had two great shots of the crowd 1 real football fans just disgusted to blow another late lead and the other laughing and waving to the cameras in their Raiders jersey they could care less its all about jersey color and saying Raidersss and wearing halloween costumes to a football game.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I don’t know why everyone is hating on Delerious Heyward-Bey. He still has more catches than Michael Crabtree…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
SnB,you have been reading too many KK posts.take away the last 6 years,and i admit they have been deplorable,and we haven’t been awful.we might not have won any SBs but we were more than just competitive.
BTW,you speak of developing a QB,how long did the Stealers wait on Bradshaw?if they would have cut him like you want to do with Russell,they wouldn’t have had the success they had in the 70s and early 80s.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
SnB,if everyone thought like you we would never have seen players like Unitas,Bradshaw,Plunkett,Favre,Young,and many others.i’m not saying Russell will ever compare to any of those guys,but sitting him might be the wake-up call he needs.
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Perhaps. But you have to remember something. The Raiders are not very good at evaluating free agent talent. So the probability of THIS organization finding a diamond in the free agent rough is quite low.
Better off seeing if Russell can sink or swim…No more swimming in the shallow end of the pool.
Can’t get it done..cut him. Now, Russell has the tools where proper coaching and a disciplined environment might unlock his talent. Hopefully its here..and hopefully it starts this weekend.
Otherwise, draft a hungry young QB from the Big East, Big 10 or MAC and work with him. Bring in Michael Vick and let him entertain the fans while we bring the kid along.
Hopefully Russell lights it up this weekend and saves this season….
September 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
SnB,you have been reading too many KK posts.take away the last 6 years,and i admit they have been deplorable,and we haven’t been awful.we might not have won any SBs but we were more than just competitive.
BTW,you speak of developing a QB,how long did the Stealers wait on Bradshaw?if they would have cut him like you want to do with Russell,they wouldn’t have had the success they had in the 70s and early 80s.
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No, you said 50 yrs and S.B titles. And I am proud that this team has done that. But you can’t say 50 yrs and ignore 18 of it. It is what it is. I am not here to down the Raiders.
Its actually the opposite. I am so frustrated with this thing and after thinking about it…I am seeing disturbing patterns, trends etc that don’t appear to be correcting themselves. I know this team is in development…but it should be getting better, not worse.
They should be building off that S.D game…not regressing all the way back to the Monday Night Game of 2008.
As for Russell, I like his potential. A big-armed QB that can make all the throws. I think you need that type of QB to win consistently. Not Jake Delhomme / Chad Pennington types. But the Brett Favre, Dan Marino model.
But Russell is in his 3rd year and we are talking about 40% completion.
I am not for benching him. He needs to play and prove he’s worth keeping around.
He isn’t going to learn anything on the bench watching a couple of rejects that were backups in places like Cleveland and Tampa Bay. Its not like Russell would be sitting behind Favre or something.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Florida Pete,
Hindsight is perfect vision. When Brees was available he had a busted up shoulder. The other big time free agent was Daunte Culpepper and his busted up knee.
No one was sure which guy was the pick. Saints got lucky…Dolphins ended up going 1-15 with Cleo Lemon.
Gotta develop a young QB. He doesn’t have to be a #1 pick…hell the kid could be a 7th round pick. But you gotta develop him. Most free agents are deeply flawed QBs or too damn old for a developing team to be any use
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i really did think at THAT time, shoulder and all, that he would be a good signing…
teams can put clauses into contracts to protect themselves…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
i did think the Walter pick was a very good one…
but it goes back to drafting linemen first…
we basically ruined this kids career before it even started…
why??? no o-line…
stupid schit…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
back to bed…
September 30th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Florida Pete,
Yeah, I thought they gave up on Walter too early as well. But Kiffin had nothing but contempt for Walter…so that was that.
Walter was abused by coaching incompetence and the worst offensive line in the modern era. Plus his receiver (Moss) admitted to quitting on him.
Too bad
September 30th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Franchise QB…that’s why the Bears sold out for Cutler.
They tried for years to get by on mediocre QBs and they were just treading water…except for a year where they had a boss defense.
Now the Bears can beat you at any time
September 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Ladies & Gentlemen we are in BIG trouble..
When asked about what it would take Javon Walker to get on the field, Cable said,
“Well, I think right now it would take injuries. We’re about to get Schilens back. You feel like that group has really done some good things and you want to keep that going obviously.”
Translation:
AL said do not play J Walker, let JaMeatloaf get’R done with rookies.
Sad, release him then!!!! This FK’d org pisses me off!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I don’t get these DMC haters now. I still think he’ll be special, and DHB is barely into his 4th pro game, sheesh! It’s having to run with so-so blocking w/ a mediocre o line. The one player w/ no excuse now is Jacornbread, w/ the o line really giving enough time to 1) find an open receiver, 2) check down 3) scramble or 4) throw the ball away.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Thanks Lefty I was just going to make that point. The Raiders can’t develop talent.
October 1st, 2009 at 12:43 am
# Richochet Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Is Winnie the Pooh up to it?
I doubt it.
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rackette, the Whiners lost in the most brutal losing moment in the NFL in the last 10 years. HAHAHAHAHA. that was on the heal of you lionizing a felon. your team sux dix dude. Good thing is you have an even worse team in the worst stadium in the country. Say hello to the LA Phnoy Whiners!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 12:49 am
Mistabrown Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Ladies & Gentlemen we are in BIG trouble..
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No. Actually your Cleveland Browns are in BIG trouble. They are 0-3 they benched your boy Brady Quinn, who incidentally, makes Jamarcus look like Johnny Freaking Unitas, but look at the bright side: your Cleveland Browns hat that you spent 45 minutes looking for in the Coliseum on Sunday sure looks good on you Dummass!!
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October 1st, 2009 at 10:40 am
Interestingly, it seems like only “D” guys are stepping up and taking charge in the locker room.
When, if ever, are some “O” guys going to own up to doing more to helping this team win? D-Mac, J-Marc, J-Miller — those guys are going to have to work harder — put in extra time– and make some plays on Sundays or this team is going to be spinning out of control, with the locker room divided between US (D) and THEM (O).
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