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Wednesday wrap

News, notes and quotes from the Raiders Wednesday following the open locker room session, practice and the post-practice press briefing from coach Tom Cable:

– Let’s get the legal stuff out fo the way first. When asked if there had been any change in the Napa assault investigation involving Randy Hanson and whether he’d been contacted, Cable said, “None from me.”

When asked if he had any comment on the assertion by attorney John McGuinn to the NFL Network that Raiders defensive backs had been contacting Hanson for advice through a borrowed computer, Cable managed a chuckle and said, “No, no. I have no comment on about any of that.”

– After talking about what a great job Bruce Gradkowski was doing as the backup for JaMarcus Russell, was surprised to hear such a soft response from Cable regarding the possibility of bringing back Jeff Garcia.

“We haven’t talked about it at this point,” Cable said. “That’s all I can say right now.”

That’s a long way from, the “No, we’ll move ahead with what we’ve got” answer I expected considering Garcia requested his release.

– There’s showing loyalty to your guys and then there’s, well it’s hard to say exactly what this is.

When asked about what it would take Javon Walker to get on the field, Cable said, “Well, I think right now it would take injuries. We’re about to get Schilens back. You feel like that group has really done some good things and you want to keep that going obviously.”

The group has done some good things and you want to keep that going.

Aside from the eight catches for 138 yards from Louis Murphy, Raiders wide receivers have caught two passes for 46 yards in three games. Todd Watkins has one for 28 yards, Darrius Heyward-Bey the other for 18 yards.

It’s not exactly like he’d be breaking up the lineup of the ’27 Yankees.

Maybe it’s that Walker simply can’t play anymore and that Al Davis doesn’t want to cut a receiver guaranteed $4.6 million this season and next season. Or that he’s simply sticking with the young receivers the same way he’s going with Russell.

But the “good things” haven’t exactly been visible to the naked eye.

– Kickoff returns specialist Justin Miller had a new home on the opposite side of the locker room and a professional outlook regarding his return to a team that sent him packing on the final cutdown day.

Miller averaged 24.8 yards per return and had returned two kickoffs for touchdowns with a long of 92 yards last year. He was even on the field in the secondary when the Raiders beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to close out the season.

He signed a new contract _ but didn’t make the roster.

“That’s the nature of this business,’’ Miller said. “You’ve got to understand how it goes. Sometimes it’s really not about you as a person, it’s just what fits for the team or what the team needs at that point in time. You take it in stride and try to be ready for the next opportunity.’’

– Fullback Oren O’Neal’s take on the “on any given Sunday” philosophy: “Every team in the NFL is an NFL team.”

– Defensvie end Greg Ellis had this to say about how a torrent of pregame enthusiasm means nothing when preceded by a subpar practice effort.

“It’s not anything we can correct five minutes before a football game by jumping around and slapping each other high-fives, yelling and screaming,” Ellis said. “You need that energy but you have to have a foundation with that energy. You start establishing that foundation for the week starting on Wednesday usually.”

Ellis on leadership: “I think it has to be more than one guy. You can have that guy who wants to yell, scream and cuss at other teammates but everybody in the NFL we’re grown men so we can choose how you respond to that firecracker guy if you will. The head coach can yell at you, anybody can yell at you but you as an individual have to take it upon yourself to say, ‘OK, I’m going to receive this stuff and I’m going to use it as a positive.’ ”

– Ellis and Richard Seymour agreed with Nnamdi Asomugha’s contention that last Friday’s practice was a big part of the Raiders downfall against the Broncos.

“I think we had a lot of mental errors. Friday practices aren’t tremendously physical practices. But it’s more of a mental day,” Seymour said. “And I think that’s something we all have to tighten up on if we want to be a good football team.

“You’ve got to be in the right place at the right time. The main thing is, what we want to do is take care of responsibilities and do your job. No one can do my job but me. I can’t go out and do the linebackers’ job, the corners can’t come up and do our job. So if everybody takes care of their own responsibilities, I think we’ll be a much better football team.”

“Hopefully everybody learned and we can go out there today and leading up to this game and be more concentrating in practice and eliminate mistakes,” added Ellis. “Early in the week you expect some mistakes because it’s a new, you don’t change the whole scheme but there’s some new things that coaches tell you, ‘For this team we got to do this.’ Today you can kind of expect some mistakes. But when you get down to Friday you expect for it to be real crisp, not so physical practice just crisp and not making
those mistakes.”

– Count Houston wide receiver Andre Johnson who believes the Raiders to be a warehouse of talent just waiting for a little direction and purpose.

“If they can just get things going in the right direction they’ll be a team to be reckoned with,” Johnson said in a conference call to Bay Area reporters. “ You look at the players on that team, it’s kind of like an all-star team.”

Which is exactly the kind of thinking which could lead the Raiders down the wrong path, Ellis believes.

“We’re not the golden child where we stand out enough talent wise where we can go out there and kind of BS through practice and think we can win,” Ellis said.

– Here is how Seymour, brought in to be a leader, plans to lead:

“ I think you lead by example. I’m not a rah-rah guy coming out and giving speeches. You go out and get the job done by your play in practice, preparation. Cause it’s really two games. It’s the game throughout the week as far as preparation. And then it’s also the game on Sunday. So we want to win both of those battles,” Seymour said. “And if we don’t do a good job throughout the week as far as preparation, then they’ll have the edge on us when it comes to the game. So it’s a process on getting it done, and I think guys are willing to put in that work.”

Seymour doesn’t plan on leading by talking about his previous place of employment.

“Man, I’m not in New England. I’m tired of the New England questions,” Seymour said. “That’s a chapter that’s over and done with, and I’m here as an Oakland Raider now. I’m a Raider, and that’s what it is.”

– Cable gave the Wednesday practice positive reviews.

“Today was excellent. It was tremendous focus,” Cable said. “We got the base plan in, tempo was good, effort was good. Shoot, I think maybe two or three repeats the whole practice so that’s what we’re looking for.”

– Cable was asked if Chaz Schilens returning to action Sunday was a “longshot” and answered yes, then in the next sentence said it was 50-50. Assuming the former unless Schilens is on the field Thursday. Also out are Robert Gallery and Nick Miller, while Hiram Eugene is questionable. Michael Huff did not practice but is expected to play. Mike Mitchell was practricing with his right thumb bandaged. Tyvon Branch had both thumbs wrapped but was not mentioned as being injured.

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  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    All your good QBs not named Manning are from Northern and Western Schools or 2nd tier schools (Wheres the SEC and Big 12)

    1. Donavan McNabb – Syracuse
    2. Tony Romo – Eastern Illinois
    3. Jay Cutler – Vanderbuilt…that’s hardly a real southern football school
    4. Aaron Rogers – Cal
    5. Drew Brees – Purdue
    6. Matt Ryan – Boston College
    7. Shaun Hill – Maryland
    8. Matt Hasselback – Boston College
    9. Kurt Warner – Northern Iowa
    10. Trent Edwards – Stanford
    11. Tom Brady – Michigan
    12. Mark Sanchez – USC
    13. Joe Flacco – Delaware
    14. Ben Rothlisberger – Miami of Ohio
    15. Carson Palmer – USC
    16. Kerry Collins – Penn State
    17. Philip Rivers – NC State
    18. Brett Favre – Southern Miss
    =======================
    Russell – LSU
    Stafford _ Georgia

  • raiderkoolaid

    Cable has made it clear Walker is not playing unless there is a rash a injuries to other WR’s. I don’t know if that is because they see in practice that Walker just doesn’t have it anymore, or if it is because they are determined to get the young WR’s going. Either way the end result is still the same.

  • Einstein

    WILL MY F’N DODGERS JUST WIN THAT “1″ GAME ALREADY. DAM MANG, THEY ARE KILLIN ME.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    The thing is, Al Nation is willing to play their part in this yearly fraud on the fans, and scapegoat players, coaches, staff, and dismiss any culpability of the man in charge.

  • Glutten for Punishment

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    The Raiders are the only franchise where players appear to quit

    i truely believe its how AD runs his Def….. it doesnt put them in a possition to succeed! if they could blitz more to put pressure on the QB would get them off the field more times than not.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Oakglenn Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
    # SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    When you have a team that is even “considering” guys named Garcia, Gradkowski and Frye as the savior….your screwed!
    ===================================================

    I don’t think “the team” is considering those guys as the saviour, “the team” knows better. It’s the dummass fans that want those other guys. And just for reference the last regular season game Gradkowski started, the 08 Finale against Pittsburgh he was 7 for 21 for 26 yards and THREE PICKS!! Maybe some of those dummass “fans” should just shut the fook up.
    =======================================================
    I hope you are right. Should Gradkowski or Garcia start….that will be pretty much it for me.

    Teams that win develop long-term solutions to the QB position. Not play 39 yr old journeyman or QBs that were cut from a half dozen teams

  • Raiders4eve

    Gradkowitzki looking good in practice, hmm is he sensing his time is coming to start again????

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Einstein,

    I hear what you are saying. I am not ready to give up on the team or the Quarterback yet. I still think they can win and I still think they can play at a high level.

    Now if they continue to flub it up…then I will call it the season after this week…but I still have hope and that hope starts this weekend…….

  • Raiders4eve

    Next year Al will draft Coy McCoy or Snead both will suck if they get drafted by the raiders.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Here the problem as I see it:

    Probability of becoming great:

    Russell = 30%
    Gradkowski = 0%
    Frye = 0%
    Garcia = 40 years old

    That’s why Russell has to play and continue to go through this.

    Those other guys are not going to win you games. So if you are going to lose…better to lose trying to find out if you have a franchise qB.

    Playing “crafty ole vets” and castoffs is a deadend 95% of the time. And even when those vets perform…its usually only for a year or two.

    Guys like Drew Brees and Jay Cutler are RARELY available if ever

  • Glutten for Punishment

    just think! AD never called Brees. i was hoping to god we would have gotten him that year.

  • Glutten for Punishment

    SD screwed up when they had Brees and Rivers. they could have traded for lots of good picks for one of them.

  • Brodeur

    I was in the stadium on Sunday (my first NFL game ever, as I usually live in Switzerland) and I couldn’t believe what I saw. JaMarcus has to be benched and Gradkowski should start against the Texans, it can’t get any worse! The whole team needs to improve a lot: The D-Line needs to put pressure on Schaub, because even Asomugha can’t cover Andre Johnson for 5 or more seconds, the LB’s need to step it up and Cable has to call a way better game. We are good at running the ball and totally suck at throwing it, so just hand Bush the ball 25 times and share the other 15 + carries between Fargas and McFumble. If the run works, we may can risk to put the ball in the hands of our athletic franchise QB and he’ll complete one or three throws to Zach Miller (out of 15 attemps), thanks to his tremendous accuracy.

    About the 07 and 08 draft:
    2007
    I wanted: Calvin Johnson
    We got: A walrus
    Imagine how it would look today if we drafted: Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Jon Beason or Patrick Willis.

    2008
    I wanted: Vernon Gholston
    We got: one McFumble with fries and a coke
    Imagine: Joe Flacco or Chris Johnson

  • Kirk

    Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round, we will continue to suck. Denver drafted Ryan Clady and they are 3-0. We drafted Darren McFumble and we are 1-2.

  • Kirk

    Someone once asked Vince Lombardi what he did with running backs that fumble. He said, “I don’t keep them.”

  • Glutten for Punishment

    Kirk Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    Until Al Davis starts drafting linemen in the first round, we will continue to suck. Denver drafted Ryan Clady and they are 3-0. We drafted Darren McFumble and we are 1-2.

    this makes no sense at all. wow! Denver is not a 3-0 team. look who they have played. they will come back down to earth soon.

  • Richochet

    After the game, hearing Cable’s excuse about “Friday just didn’t seem right. All of the stars in the universe weren’t lined up right. Our “wan” felt out of place. We weren’t in symbiosis”

    WELL, WHO’S JOB IS IT TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT, you sloppy blob? Most coaches WOULDN’T LET PRACTICE END until they got it right. Those who screwed up? did it over and over and over.
    And having players say “Yeah, it was sloppy as hell.”?

    No excuse for allowing it, much less using it later as a copout.

    And for once wouldn’t it be nice to hear Cable actually call out a player, or at least a group?

    Saying “we have to tighten things up” “We have to finish our tackles” “We have to find a way to get it done” is words coaches say just before they get fired.

    Here, let me help you, Tommy.
    “The play was TOTALLY unacceptable”
    “If you can’t get the job done, we’ll get someone in who will.”
    “No more excuses. I’m embarrassed to see what was on the field today, and now I’m going to kick some ass”

    Is Winnie the Pooh up to it?
    I doubt it.

  • Nnamdi21

    McFadden puts fumbles behind him
    By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
    Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.

    =============================

    McFadden haunted by last weeks fumbles

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-mcfadden&prov=ap&type=lgns

    Which is it Jerry? WHICH IS IT?!!!!! LOL!~

    Josh DuBrow AP “Sports writer”
    Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 at 4:36 PM pacific

  • Brodeur

    vegas raider Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    The Raiders have won the coin toss all 3 games and took the ball. Two 3 and outs the last two weeks, and a promising drive on opening night ended with a Russell INT.
    ———————————————–

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Denver won the toss but wanted to kick!

  • Raiders4eve

    SnB I disagree with u, JR is a bust and won’t learn anything from losing games and proving that he is a bust, you don’t need a crystal ball to see that this QB was never ready to start in the NFL, you know what happened the year after JR won the sugar bowl for LSU, LSU became national champions, he is a system QB who happened to strive playing the spread offense and never had the mechanics to play in the NFL, compare him to the heisman winner Troy Smith or Alex Smith juniors who went for the money. Tim Tebow is supposedly the QB to ever played the game, why didn’t he bail out last year cause Al Davis won’t draft him and probably would have ended up a fourth rounder. My point is JR was hyped abt his arm because all the media personals knew this Al believes in vertical offense while JR never played under that system, he should have drafted Cutler instead of Huff since he had the stronger arm between V Young n Lienart cuz he proved he could operate from center. JR sucks will suck under this scheme, u want him to succeed change the scheme simple. Others can weight on my comments.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Raiders4eve,

    Russell went to LSU. Any quarterback graduating from a southern school is going to struggle mightily. Southern football is to the NFL what the “And-1 Mix-Tape tour” or Harlem Globetrotters are to the NBA.

    See, down in the south land (SEC/Big12) the fans down there love college football more than NFL football. Therefore, the college coaches down there aren’t interested in developing talent…they are interested in collecting as much elite talent so that they can Al Davis their opponents.

    Southern football is garbage….all your good QBs go to Northern and a few Western schools because the latter schools teach the intracacies of the game and don’t have superior athletes to rely on.

    Look at Tim “Hot Sauce” Tebow. He had Louis Murphy and Percy Harvin last year…Gimmie a break…just toss up the ball and someone is going to catch it. Russell was a raw QB coming out of LSU. Les Miles can’t develop a QB.

    That’s why Sam Bradford and Major Appl….excuse me, Colt McCoy are going to bust out.

    Southern football is garbage

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    The Raiders have won the coin toss all 3 games and took the ball. Two 3 and outs the last two weeks, and a promising drive on opening night ended with a Russell INT.

    If we win the toss again, please kick the ball and take the ball in the second half.

    PLEASE!!!!!!!!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Repost per my post on Southern Football:

    All your good QBs not named Manning (thank their father not their schools) are from Northern and Western Schools or 2nd tier schools (Wheres the SEC and Big 12)

    1. Donavan McNabb – Syracuse
    2. Tony Romo – Eastern Illinois
    3. Jay Cutler – Vanderbuilt…that’s hardly a real southern football school
    4. Aaron Rogers – Cal
    5. Drew Brees – Purdue
    6. Matt Ryan – Boston College
    7. Shaun Hill – Maryland
    8. Matt Hasselback – Boston College
    9. Kurt Warner – Northern Iowa
    10. Trent Edwards – Stanford
    11. Tom Brady – Michigan
    12. Mark Sanchez – USC
    13. Joe Flacco – Delaware
    14. Ben Rothlisberger – Miami of Ohio
    15. Carson Palmer – USC
    16. Kerry Collins – Penn State
    17. Philip Rivers – NC State
    18. Brett Favre – Southern Miss
    =======================
    Russell – LSU
    Stafford _ Georgia

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Brodeur,

    You may be right, most teams that win the toss take the ball, so I just assumed it.

    Either way, I do not want to see Jamarcus with the ball first.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Colt McCoy will fall out of the first round, IMO, he won’t grade out to well on the measurables.

    Bradford has potential, with an NFL arm, but he is soft. If BYU can push you around and punk you than you may have issues when you play the Baltimore’s of the world.

    Give me a West Coast QB any-day of the week.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Good work Brodeur, I stand corrected but my point is still the same.

  • Brodeur

    Just looked it up on raiders.com:
    “Denver won the opening coin toss and chose to defer their choice to the start of the second half.”
    Which was a great choice by the Broncos, because it’s pretty obvious that the Raiders won’t be able to move the ball and so the Broncos took the momentum and never gave it away.

    Something has to happen and Schilens is NOT the answer to our problems. Getting Miller back is a good decision but it will take a lot to get Russell going. If the situation doesn’t change: means a uneffectiv groundgame, starting rookie WR’s or the coaching staff nothing will happen! Russell won’t improve if Cable can’t give him easy throws and if the WR’s don’t start to catch uncatchable balls!

  • Reka5maticRaider

    While Dallas is selling out 100,000 tickets, the raiders are going at a rate of 30,000 vacant seats. Al Davis should make a blackedout section across harbor way parkway right beside IN N OUT best describe how the raiders play ever since that whoopin’ in 02′. the only attraction in oakland now is the warriors playing this season, but bad news even monta ellis wants out because of curry, not good!
    Back to the raiders, offense and defense is stuff’d basically like mayweather putting marquez on the canvas. Jamarcus Russell looks like a build-a-bear w/full of sheeyet greasy summer heat southern super size meatloaf!

  • Reka5maticRaider

    While Dallas is selling out 100,000 tickets, the raiders are going at a rate of 30,000 vacant seats. Al Davis should make a blackedout section across harbor way parkway right beside IN N OUT best describe how the raiders play ever since that whoopin’ in 02′. the only attraction in oakland now is the warriors playing this season, but bad news even monta ellis wants out because of curry, not good!
    Back to the raiders, offense and defense is stuff’d basically like mayweather putting marquez on the canvas. Jamarcus Russell looks like a build-a-bear w/full of sheeyet greasy summer heat southern super size meatloaf!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Graham Herrell and Chase Daniels not even drafted.

    Why would an elite High School QB prospect waste his time going to Florida State or Alabama

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Raiders4eve Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
    JP Losman can shine under the vertical scheme at least he is more accurate than JR, Losman sucked in Buffalo because he couldn’t operate the WCO but in his long passes he supplied Evans, I would hope JR gets injured so we can sign him.
    =====================================================
    Where did JP Losman play college ball? Rex Grossman?

  • saraider

    RUN! RUN ! RUN! Shove the ball down the Texans throat! With their weak run D, is there another option? The only pass that JR,should throw is when we are flagged for our usual false starts. I will wear my jersey proud in H-Town, and still bleed Silver & Black when I leave.Resign Garcia, he knows the offense, and give these guys a chance. Don’t let the team quit before the 4th game of the season. I sure don’t want to be sitting in Dallas with a 2 -8 record!

  • Raiders4eve

    JP Losman can shine under the vertical scheme at least he is more accurate than JR, Losman sucked in Buffalo because he couldn’t operate the WCO but in his long passes he supplied Evans, I would hope JR gets injured so we can sign him.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    But I will take an SEC LB or DE any day of the week.

  • JB

    Until we have dominant lines (both O & D), it doesn’t make any difference who our QB is. Next draft, ALL Linemen except for 1 run stopping MLB.

    OT
    C
    DT
    OG
    MLB
    C
    OT/G

  • Brodeur

    I would love to have Michael Vick on this team just to give Russell some competition. Vick can scramble for some positive yards if the protection falls down, Russell can’t. If he doesn’t care about being the starter, let him earn his paycheck as o-lineman, maybe that’s his true talent.

  • saraider

    It all starts at the top. DAVIS NEEDS TO SELL THE TEAM!

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Losman sucks,he is out here loving life in Vegas, getting spotted at all the clubs and such. He will probably stink it up in the UFL.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Raiders4eve,

    I wouldn’t say Russell is at 0%. He has the physical tools…its all about his mentality and his talent.

    If he can get traction this week we will sel.

    I am not interested in watching Frye, Gradkowski or Garcia. I’ve seen that movie 1000x. Its Josh McCown all over again.

    Teams dont’ get rid of good QBs….Frye and Gradkowski would be out of the league if not for the Raiders….and Garcia is out of the league.

    If the Raiders aren’t building for the long-term…I am not interested in watching or following.

    If they go 5-11 again, it won’t matter who the QB is.

  • Raiders4eve

    SnB u still didn’t answer me, I understand what u saying abt Southern colleges QBs but what I was pointing out to you that there is no 30% for JR, he is zero and will remain zero, I pointed out that JR this year is not ready to start and will never succeed in the vertical offense cause he is a system QB played the spread all his life, we don’t have the personal to help him succeed so why be patient with him? Why stick with him? Currently Frye n Grad are better than him cause they can move the chains under this personal, as we say it in football terminology they give us the best chance to win.

  • ragin

    Wine and cheese

  • Raiders4eve

    SnB I know Losman played for Tulane don’t care abt injury prone Grossman, btw for those calling Losman suck, dude choose UFL cause he wanted to play and improve his game rather than carrying bottles in the bench, I seen him play he had some bad games but he could gun it like Cutler with accuracy nothing that JR could do, check his stats and compare it to JR 40% QB rating

  • lefty12

    Russell should be benched for a minimum of 2 games,just like the Stealers did to Bradshaw in the early 70s.let him sit ,watch,and understand that his ineptitude is not acceptable.maybe it will help him realize he has to dedicate himself.
    to those blaming Cable,what is he supposed to say-we have a QB who sucks,but we paid him $60 million so we have to play him.that would go over great,wouldn’t it,even if it is true.we must remember the players seem to stick together against fan criticism.after all,they have it so hard.

  • Raiders4eve

    Ok SnB answer me this question, when did Garcia, Grad, Frye or Losman ever had three games with 39.8% QB rating or been the worst QB in the league? If u answer this question, I will rest my case.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Raiders4eve,

    Losman didn’t choose the UFL, he wasn’t invited to an NFL training camp and this was the best job he could find. He was a legendary partier in college, it carried into the NFL, and he has been spotted all over this town. He isn’t improving his game, he is getting a paycheck and spending 6 months in Las Vegas, that’s it.

  • lefty12

    teams don’t get rid of good QBs-you are kidding right!didn’t TB get rid of Young?didn’t NE and SF get rid of Plunkett?what you all seem to forget or just don’t understand is EVERY team makes mistakes about players.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Raiders4eve Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    Ok SnB answer me this question, when did Garcia, Grad, Frye or Losman ever had three games with 39.8% QB rating or been the worst QB in the league? If u answer this question, I will rest my case.
    =======================================================
    I just don’t get excited about left over QBs that are not in demand.

    Why aren’t those QBs on another roster?

    I am just being a realist. Those guys will do for Oakland what Josh McCown and Donald Hollas did for the Raiders

    Look, we have what we have. If Russell fails…the franchise is set back a long time.

    I just don’t believe in the retread QB. I think its a waste of time playing them. There is a reason they are available

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Raiders4eve Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    Ok SnB answer me this question, when did Garcia, Grad, Frye or Losman ever had three games with 39.8% QB rating or been the worst QB in the league? If u answer this question, I will rest my case.
    ======================================================
    So hope that a QB that got cut in week 1 from Cleveland and cut as a 3rd stringer or the QB that got cut from Tampa and Cleveland or the other guy that got cut from 7 teams and the guy now playing in the UFL to come start.

    What sense does that really make? What did we get for the McCown/Culpepper, Hollas, Collins, Brooks, years.

    It rarely works and this team is no where near the class of a minnesota vikings.

    You end up like the Titans. Staring at a losing season and having no QB

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    lefty12 Says:
    September 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    teams don’t get rid of good QBs-you are kidding right!didn’t TB get rid of Young?didn’t NE and SF get rid of Plunkett?what you all seem to forget or just don’t understand is EVERY team makes mistakes about players.
    =======================================================
    So we gotta rely on someone else making a mistake?

    That’s why the Raiders are where they are at?

    I see Brady, Mannings, Rothlisberger, McNabb making multiple playoff and S.B runs….you need a QB that can line up for a decade.

    Not this 2 and 3 yrs and out B.S.

    Look at Tennessee. Collins gave them 1 mediocre year…back to the drawing board.

    You have to develop a QB.

  • lefty12

    SnB,what you fail to see,imo,is nobody is asking for one of these “retreads” to permanently take the job.its kind of like a hitter in baseball.if he is in a slump,you sit him for a game or two.Russell needs to be sat down so he can evaluate what we wants to do-take the money and run,or dedicate himself and become what he should be.