Jeff Garcia on Myers-Hartman show
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, October 2nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Portions of a transcript of an interview on the Fox Sports syndicated Chris Myers-Steve Hartman radio show with quarterback Jeff Garcia that pertained to his time with the Raiders:
Q: Still in shape, want to play, correct?
Garcia: I’m always going to want to stay in shape and I do feel like I have life left in me, I still have football life left in me, and yeah, if the right opportunity presented itself I would definitely listen to it. I feel like I can definitely give to a team in a lot of ways as far as abilites on the field and also helping a young guy out or helping another quarterback out in any way that it may come about. But’ I’m definitely hungry to play this game and still looking for that opportunity. If it doesn’t present itself, I think that would be the unfortunate side of how this game may come to an end for me, but there’s a lot to be thankful for and as far as the great experiences and the career that I have had.
Q: If Al Davis said he made a mistake and said he needs you to come back and he’dmake you the starter what would you say?
Garcia: First of all . . . it would never happen., I understand what you’re saying. That’s for Al to figure out as far as presenting that sort of opportunity. I just felt that for what I went in for, both from a contract standpoint and the situation, as far as I was concerned, I have no problem going into a situation and helping a young guy out and really trying to help the team out overall more than anything. I just feel like it’s an unfortunate situation where the entire work ethic and the entire goal of the team is put upon one guy’s shoulders who really isn’t ready for that situation or ready to take on that sort of responsibility. I’m not saying JaMarcus can never be that guy, it’s just that right now, he’s still young, he has a lot of growth that needs to take place from a mental standpoint, from a physical standpoint, yeah the guy is extremely talented. When you put him on the field in a one-on-one workout situation he’ll make every throw for you. But when it comes down to making things happen in the heat of the battle and rallying the troops around you and making a case for the team, that’s where maybe things aren’t where they need to be. Right now that team is going through those growing pains, and I think that I could have helped in a lot of ways. Had I still been there and maybe had that opportunity to step on the field, and lead the team and really show what it takes from a standpoint of leadership and work ethic and knowledge of the game, but the way things were working out, and the contract that I signed I didn’t feel that it was the right situation for me to be there anymore.
Q: You thought so difficult rather do nothing than be there . . . was it that bad?
Garcia: It was to a point where I just felt there were guys who just walked through those doors who were there to collect a check and not really interested in putting everything that they had within themselves on to the football field. That was the frustrating thing for me to see. There are a lot of good young guys in that locker room who really want to do whatever it takes to win, but unfortunately it’s not everybody, and in order to compete at this level, in this game, everybody needs to be on board, everybody needs to be on the same page. Everybody needs to really be accountable and be able to look at each other and have responsibility within themselves if they’re going to bring the best that they have to bring. Not just on Sunday, but every single day during the work week. When you’re not seeing that, and maybe that’s because that’s how things have been for a number of years now and they just don’t see the hope, but I was the guy who was trying to bring a fresh outlook, a fresh new start. I was trying to be that kind of guy who could help motivate my teammates or help create a certain attitude, a certain mentality, and it was just tough to break through to everybody. That’s where I just found it was more discouraging than encouraging and for me at this point in my career, being 39 years old, as much as it meant so much for me to return back home and be close to the family and friends and play for a team that I grew up watching as a kid, to see the reality of the situation and realize what I may be up against, staying here for the entire year, and it hurt me, it broke my heart to do that, step up like that, but I just felt like it was something I really didn’t want to put myself through anymore.
For what it’s worth, I think Garcia may be regretting his decision to be released because he realizes he actually did have a chance to start.
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October 2nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
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October 2nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Just had to do that. haha
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
No way any Coach in Oakland is allowed to develop anything organically in the locker-room between players and coaches. The stuff that produces fidelity, and emotional investment, esprit d’ corp. All the shyt that’s lacking in Oakland. All because Al Davis is shining the light on himself. Up in his office playing fantasy football with the Raiders.
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Fits right in with what Garcia saying, no?
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Contrary to some…the Raiders are much better off playing Russell and slogging through ths.
Jeff Garcia is a good fit for a veteran team on the cusp of a deep playoff run or Super Bowl. A team like Minnesota (before Favre) or Bears (before Cutler) or the Carolina Panthers and Washington Redskins.
To put a vet at that late stage of his career on a young and developing team would be a waste of time. At best, the Raiders go 7-9 or 8-8 with Garcia. And I still am not sure he could execute the deep passing game here (Which is the root cause of the nonsense here).
Playing Garcia is like procrastinating on that big report for work/school. Sure, put it off for a while and enjoy the days care-free. But eventually things come due. And that’s when you start working all-nighters and stressing yourself out.
If we play Garcia, the whole offseason will be spent on scouring the free agency wire or looking for a trade.
Play Russell…slog through this…and get the answers we need
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
KoolKell,
You are right about the culture and the way things seem to get done here. Al Davis has to give Tom Cable the authority to play/bench anyone at his discretion and his discretion alone. Whether that be Russell, DMAC, Heyward-Bey or Greg Ellis hell…even Nnamdi.
Cable has to have full authority and he doesn’t have it.
Just like Jim Zorn and Wade Phillips are emaciated by their owners in their respective cities.
These strong-arm/willed owners fail, fail, fail!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
F this guy, he is washed up And russell is 1-0 against him…
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I also don’t understand the hype around this guy. I always saw Garcia as a backup QB. Even going back to the Cleveland/Detroit days.
Everywhere he goes, the teams try to replace him. Gruden wanted Favre and then played Griese, Philly had McNabb and Detroit and Cleveland (two QB needy teams at the time) freely let him go for nothing. Saying nothing of his original team in San Francisco.
If you didn’t like Josh McCown or Culpepper…you aren’t going to like this guy either
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Guys like Tomlin, Singletary, Coughlin have full command and respect in that lockerroom and full control over who plays and doesn’t play.
Davis still doesn’t get it! And he is supposed to be a visionary and all that
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Go Go Garcia
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Oakland sucks and its Al’s fault for giving millionaire children the freedom to be spoiled bishes. This isn’t the 70’s oakland blue collar teams who took pride in being able to work their azzes off, oh no, this is the pimped out, super star athlete League where dog killers and woman beaters get top billing.
Paying ridiculous salaries to infants is the epitome of whats wrong with todays billion dollar NFL.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Nnamdi21,
Perhaps…but this has been a problem for longer than any player has been on the roster. Gannon was talking the same stuff 10 yrs ago. Shanahan was fired in part because he wouldn’t let players sit on their helmets.
Davis wants 100% control of player personnell and significant input in game planning…fine…
But you gotta let the coach run the team!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:29 pm
The hype around this guy was that he was a Raider. Good press or bad press, the Raiders are relevant to a lot of people.
A lot of the complaining is getting old. The Raiders are not winning because the other team has been better. Plain and simple. Coaching, QB play, rookie WRs, Oline, LBs, 3rd corner, too hot, not enough gatorade, whatever!
SD game – special teams sucked, dropped TD kills us, bad 4th qtr defense. Lose by 4 pts.
KC – defense won a ugly game. Shyt happens sometimes.
Den – defense couldn’t over come 2 picks, and 3 fumbles. Denver’s Dline and Oline kicked our arses all over the field.
It’s football and it goes like that sometime!
We need to come out and kick Houston in the teeth on both sides of the line, and not turn the F’ing ball over! Those 2 things happen, and we win the game. Stats, smats, rookies, and cookies. Kick em in the teeth, and don’t turn the ball over. I guarantee you that philosophy wins more games than not!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:29 pm
ragin Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
F this guy, he is washed up And russell is 1-0 against him…
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Said like a true can of spam.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Guys like Tomlin, Singletary, Coughlin have full command and respect in that lockerroom and full control over who plays and doesn’t play.
Davis still doesn’t get it! And he is supposed to be a visionary and all that
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You hit it on the head..but actually..Al’s problem is that HE STILL THINKS HE’S THE COACH.
He truly still wants total control. Wants the players answering to him. Still thinks his ways are best. Still reads those old 70’s newsclips that called him “brilliant” and refuses to believe things have changed.
Can’t you just see Al up in his booth?
After a play run amuk, he mutters “I would have called this play/defense” and soon convinces himself that he actually DID make that call prior to the snap, and is convinced no one is better at GM/HC than he.”
Yep, the Emperor has no clothes (and in Al’s case, no hair)
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Garcia is laughs!
Jerry was dead on about him in that last thread.
Too funny!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
“But when it comes down to making things happen in the heat of the battle and rallying the troops around you and making a case for the team, that’s where maybe things aren’t where they need to be.”
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I completely disagree with this statement. I guess Garcia didn’t see how Russell played coming from behind in the SD and KC games. When it mattered most the kid rallied the offense and drove them the length of the field for potential game winning TD’s.
I do recall Garcia trying to do that very thing as a Buc last year against the Raiders, could have got his team into the playoffs. I also remember how awful he looked in that last drive, culminated with a Trevor Scott sack and a Raider victory.
When Garcia mentioned guys just collecting checks, for some reason Tommy Kelly’s image popped into my head.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
What a sad state the Raiders are in. Right now they are a three ring circus. Al is the head clown. What a joke things have become. Just when you think they have hit rock bottom they sink to further depths !!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Nnamdi21,
Mike Tomlin benched Casey Hampton when he showed up out of shape. He benched Mendenhall because of playbook issues…threatening Limas Sweed because he dropped a TD pass against Cincy
Mike Singletary (my favorite coach in the NFL) gave that famous “I want winners” speech….Sent Vernon Davis (a high draft pick doing jack sh…at the time) to the showers DURING THE GAME!
The Cowboys jettisoned T.O because of attitude…as did Philly
Bill Belicheck benched Drew Bledsoe and stayed with Brady even after Bledsoe was healthy
Al Davis would never let the above happen. AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY THIS FOOTBALL TEAM HAS BEEN SO BAD THE LAST 6 YRS AND 18 OF THE LAST 21 YEARS!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
“But when it comes down to making things happen in the heat of the battle and rallying the troops around you and making a case for the team, that’s where maybe things aren’t where they need to be.”
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I completely disagree with this statement. I guess Garcia didn’t see how Russell played coming from behind in the SD and KC games. When it mattered most the kid rallied the offense and drove them the length of the field for potential game winning TD’s.
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You’re such an idiot.
Why post that drivel?
“Russell came from behind when it mattered most”?? only LOSERS SAY THAT.
the WHOLE GAME MATTERS.
Playing like crap for 58 minutes means you SUCKED. One broken coverage TD is what got the Raiders one win..that’s it. A pass anyone could make.
Because Russell didn’t get a lucky break his bad play cost the SD game..and his REALLY BAD PLAY is why the Raiders are currently spiraling back down where the know best..the bottom.
HEY…weren’t you the idiot who posted to other Raider fans ‘Shut up. I make more money in one day than you do IN YOUR LIFETIME’…wasn’t that you? lol…
Lemming
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
KoolKell,
You are right about the culture and the way things seem to get done here. Al Davis has to give Tom Cable the authority to play/bench anyone at his discretion and his discretion alone.
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Cable doesn’t have it, and the players know it, ergo nothing organically is allowed to develop in the locker room and field between Coaches & Players.
The Players know it’s a lost cause, so they collect their substantial paychecks and live for another day and opportunity.
They’re not going to kill themselves in a lost cause.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Let’s be real here. If a Mike Singletary or Bill Parcells was coaching here without restriction….do you think we would be hearing about the QB showing up out of shape? Do you think the right tackle would lead the league in penalties? Do you think a running back fumbling up and down the field would still play? Or a wide receiver that’s only redeeming value is his 40x?
No! Good coaches set the tone for the team during the season and the offseason. They reward the players that exhibit the qualities necessary to succeed and jettison in short order those that don’t
AL Davis just sits there lording over this mess. His coaches are nothing more than coordinators…not a head coach amoung them!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Sure the Raiders won’t be the same without Davis. But the same is 25-76
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Richochet Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Guys like Tomlin, Singletary, Coughlin have full command and respect in that lockerroom and full control over who plays and doesn’t play.
Davis still doesn’t get it! And he is supposed to be a visionary and all that
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You hit it on the head..but actually..Al’s problem is that HE STILL THINKS HE’S THE COACH.
He truly still wants total control. Wants the players answering to him. Still thinks his ways are best. Still reads those old 70’s newsclips that called him “brilliant” and refuses to believe things have changed.
Can’t you just see Al up in his booth?
After a play run amuk, he mutters “I would have called this play/defense” and soon convinces himself that he actually DID make that call prior to the snap, and is convinced no one is better at GM/HC than he.”
Yep, the Emperor has no clothes (and in Al’s case, no hair)
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I just think that is such an easy out, man! I understand where you guys are coming from BUT IMO that is the type of talk that allows this BS to keep going!
Cable is the one calling the plays. So what AL this, and Al that. I don’t think that anyone can argue that Cable just looks …. well lets just say at times you find yourself asking the TV (or probably screaming) WTF are you thinking! I mean, no matter what side of the fence you fall on regarding the struggling passing game, I bet EVERYONE agrees that Cable’s play calling is bad. Not AL’s, but Cable AND Marshall, the guys with the headsets on.
The coaches need to be held accountable for what happens on the field on Sunday’s. F the rest of the soap opera BS! Have YOUR game plan prepared, and make YOUR adjustments.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
JHill,
19 of 22 1st & 2nd round picks for Oakland have busted out. Asomugha, Howard and Seabass being the only non-busts. You telling me all those players were bad?
The Owner’s meddling hurts preparation. Whereas the players in San Fran are running hills and doing everything in their collective powers to meet the coaches high expectations….in Oakland, the QB shows up overweight, the O-Line is a penalty machine, the team has sloppy azz practices two days before the game….
All that crap goes back to a head coach that has limited control of his team.
And that’s why this team runs out of gas in the 4th QTR, is penalty stricken, can’t hold the football, makes bad reads at the QB and all that crap.
Because they don’t do the little things right and the damn team is generally unprepared.
Remember what Ellis said? Players partying it up before the game.
Tomlin or Singletary would just straight cut you for that garbage.
Not in Oakland! Because we have so many great playahs!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
T Brayton
F Washington
Rout
Grove
Gallery
N Harris
Gibson
Huff
We don’t draft football players, but we do draft athletes! That’s the problem!!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
We always go with the flashy pick!!
We need to start drafting football players, and no more projects in the 1st round. We need starters who can play right away. We are not a great team that can afford to draft projects for later. We need help, and we need it now.
Remind me not to smoke, and talk about love at 4am!
Legalize it!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
However bad Russell is, bringing Garcia back would be worse.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I just think that over analyzing SnB …
The rookie Murphy hold on the ball instead of giving the refs a reason to look at it, we win the SD game and are 2-1. No one thought we would be anywhere close to undefeated so the Denver game was just a loss at the end of the day. I’m not buying this doomsday scenario for the year with our skill players on offense and defense. The guys with the headsets need to do a better job on SUNDAY!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Garcia is not the answer! IMO
We need to draft better, trade better, and sign better FAs!
G Wilson
TK
Warren
Hall
Moss
And drafting hasn’t been better!
We also need stability at coaching, and I’m starting to think Cable is not the answer.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Wassup O,
That was funny stuff this mng!
Glad you had a good time!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I am confident that Cable will get the Oline run blocking again.
Its one thing he seems to be able to do no matter who the linemen are. Up till recently its been pass protection problems. Thats another reason this team is about to turn it on.
Cable will have the running game going, JaPoppinFresh will have his best game and we will be 2-2 after Sunday
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:15 pm
This team takes one step forward, and three backward.
They are the dumbest team in America!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Cable benched JR last year. Why would’nt he do it this year?
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Cable never benched JR last year. JR missed the Carolina game due to injury and Walter started.
Of course that was the game where Delhomme was the 1st QB to win a game despite throwing 4 ints….
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Jhill,
It was great. I always enjoy being here, but today’s morning session was too strong & too early.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:23 pm
It’s not all JR!!
There are 2 rookie WRs starting, and both have 6/7 catches for less than 180 yards.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
If I remeber correct there was a lot of discussion about that being a benching, not a injury
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
JHill,
Good teams overcome bad calls and the like. Murphy dropped the ball because he is not an elite receiver. The defense melted in the 4th QTR because Marshall calls a game the same way Ryan does.
As for Denver: I figure that the Raiders should be able to beat…let alone compete…with a team that lost its QB, its head coach, its #1 receiver (marginalized) and a defense in supposed disarray. Not to mention the game was at home. They went out there and got their azz whupped up Atlanta style.
This game coming up against Houston is the biggest game for the next 3 years. Here’s why:
1. They lose this game and its 7 yrs of double digit losses
2. Russell will lose what little support he has in the lockerroom and coaching staff. His only support will be Al Davis
3. Probably will mean a new QB in 2010. Most likely a free agent reject. That never works so there goes the future
4. Toss in another weak head coach and new staff.
So, if this team full of “great playahs” is as good as they like to claim. It would be nice if they would play a complete game (no excuses) and win!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Zach M is covered all the time due to our lack of plays from the WRs.
Our passing game Sucks, and cable gets most of the blame. He is the coach who is starting 2 rookie WRs, and is calling a very vanilla offense.
We can do much better. Call some wildcat plays, trick plays, reverses, etc…..
Look at the Dolphins last year.
We have athletes!! Use them!!!!!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Raider O
The playcalling is abysmal. And that is on Tom Cable. Short throws, screens, slants, and running the football.
No team in the NFL throws more deep throws than Oakland.
Also, DHB should be on the bench. If Russell is having trust/timing issues…then for heavens sake, get JLH on the doggone field!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Sorry to chase you fellas off your morning shift.
I dunno where the love rant came from.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
JHill,
Good teams overcome bad calls and the like.
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My point exactly! We are not a good TEAM.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm
I am really hoping that the Raiders can get this right against Houston.
A win puts everything back in order and hopefully gets the team’s attention to getting up for challenges in the following week.
A loss….I really hope they don’t go down that road.
I hope Cable was telling the truth about the team having a good practice this week….his job is depending on it!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
JHill,
I just want to see a competent football team.
there have been way too many Atlanta, New Orleans, Carolina, San Diego and now Denver games.
I can’t understand why this team regresses so much and can’t establish any consistency.
I think they are rushing these rookies. No reason why JLH should be on the bench behind two rookies. But the coaches claim to know what they are doing.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
SnB,
I fear this will be another losing season. We need better coaching!!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Sorry, but Garcia’s a tool. He talks about being able to contribute and to help the younger players and lead by example to show how a professional should prepare and lead. Then he obviously pouts and refuses to get involved after he “hurts his calf” in training camp, and pretty much quits by asking for his release because he realizes (which he should have all along) that he isn’t going to start. Combine that with borderline crappy play in the preseason and the pre-camp interview he did with the LA radio station, and the guy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. I said on this blog the day that interview came out that he should be cut immediately because it was obviously “all about Jeff” and not about the team, and with his comments today it’s pretty obvious that the only reason the guy came to Oakland was to start, and when he couldn’t he quit. Good riddance.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Clearly its not just the QB who has work ethic issues.
I am still at a loss of words as to how the team was so unprepared last week and STILL having sloppy azz practices.
Its a culture JHill. I think its Romper Room in there.
I hope they get some pride and do something.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
I would bet that Murphy and DHB get more 1st and 2nd down snaps than JLH because of their run blocking. Obviously that makes no sense with Cable outguessing himself and calling PA instead of actually pounding the ball.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Richochet Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
“But when it comes down to making things happen in the heat of the battle and rallying the troops around you and making a case for the team, that’s where maybe things aren’t where they need to be.”
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I completely disagree with this statement. I guess Garcia didn’t see how Russell played coming from behind in the SD and KC games. When it mattered most the kid rallied the offense and drove them the length of the field for potential game winning TD’s.
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You’re such an idiot.
Why post that drivel?
“Russell came from behind when it mattered most”?? only LOSERS SAY THAT.
the WHOLE GAME MATTERS.
Playing like crap for 58 minutes means you SUCKED. One broken coverage TD is what got the Raiders one win..that’s it. A pass anyone could make.
Because Russell didn’t get a lucky break his bad play cost the SD game..and his REALLY BAD PLAY is why the Raiders are currently spiraling back down where the know best..the bottom.
HEY…weren’t you the idiot who posted to other Raider fans ‘Shut up. I make more money in one day than you do IN YOUR LIFETIME’…wasn’t that you? lol…
Lemming
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Who’s the idiot? Learn to read fool.
Bottom line is that you are borderline obsessed with me. I NEVER acknowledge you yet you continually copy and paste my posts like some follower who is hanging on my every word. Do you even know the definition of the word lemming? You define it to a T.
Now get back to following me around and hanging on my every word. Loser.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
C’mon…Do u guys REALLY think Raiders can beat Houston? Houston is a good team..What makes anybody think this Oak. team can win?
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Marshall is not doing too good himself! That defense needs to play better, and we need better LBs!! TH, Kirk, and brown ate not playing well! IMO
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 pm
It seems to me that if there were players who were just going through the motions to get a paycheck then Garcia was at the head of that line. But still, any player who isn’t willing to go all out giving it everything he’s got, then that player should be gotten rid of. You are better off with a marginal young hungry player than a talented player who doesn’t care.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Thank god for madden and PS. I can be a coach, GM, owner, and player.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Exactly Teach,
Totally agree with your Garcia take.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
C’mon…Do u guys REALLY think Raiders can beat Houston? Houston is a good team..What makes anybody think this Oak. team can win?
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Any NFL really can beat any other NFL team on a given day. Nobody expected The Raiders to beat Houston last year, but they did. Nobody expected The Raiders to go to Denver and win last year after the way they got embarrassed by them opening game, but they did. Of course they can win, the question is will they win.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I don’t know if JR is going to work out or not, Jhill. Obviously, I hope he does. And maybe a veteran presence would help him, but a steadying presence is what that veteran would have to bring. Garcia is just too much drama, and in my opinion he makes the situation worse, not better.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Have a great evening and a safe weekend Gents. Later Nation.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
#55. Yes, I agree with the “any given Sunday” thing, but we had Chaz those games you refer to, and also Fargas.
Yes the ? is WILL they win.
I had faith after SD game, and have completely lost it all since.
Please somebody help me with this: Why can’t we stop the run??? We have Seymour and Ellis and STILL the same old crap.
HELP???
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Peace out, Raider O.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Why can’t we get the ball into McFadden, Higgins, DHB’s hands in the open field. How can the defense consistently take all three away, especially when we have other weapons like Bush and Miller that have to be paid attention to as well. McFadden and DHB may not have proved themselves yet, but I would like to see the ball in their hand in the open field to find out.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:44 pm
The run defense was OK, but not great against KC. They just gave up a lot of yards because the offense went three and out so many times. I am hoping that the pathetic way they played against Denver turns out to be the exception rather than the rule.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:44 pm
García is just like all the other fools letting lyers I mean myers bait him. 1-0 beechohet…
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
McFadden needs to see more toss sweeps. He’s asked to run up the middle too much. I think he’s capable of running between the tackles. He’s really not a Reggie Bush type. But his speed on the sweeps and off-tackle plays is where he is special. Cable needs to realize this. I’m not saying run him outside all the time. More like 50/50. Right now it seems like he’s running 80/20 or even 90/10 between the tackles.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I’m not anxious to see Garcia back here either. If a change has to be made why not see what Gradkowski or Frye can do. Both are far younger and have NFL starting experience. We need to hang with JaMarcus as the starter for now, but if it continues like this I’d rather see if either Gradkowski or Frye is a viable option to compete for the permanent starting QB job in Oakland.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
gannon as coach and garcia at quarterback….we’d kick sumbodys as#
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
RaiderDogg, put him on permanent ignore, like I did. Don’t even read his posts. He’s talking to himself. I don’t even say his name anymore.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Doesn’t matter who we have at QB. We call deep passing plays from our own end zone, and prevent defenses with time on the clock in one score games, we can have the best QB in the game and it won’t matter. JaMarcus Russell is not the reason this team is losing. Al Davis is.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
MR
have a good night, I’m out.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Dakota Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:47 am
No Chicago Olympics?
Another failed Obama adventure
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This one is still good 4 posts later
LMAO Dakota!!!
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
This wasn’t a failed Obama adventure:
http://www.talkandfun.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/election_results_11-5-2008-2-36-22-am.png
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Anyone know what Al’s net worth is? How much longer will the other owners carry him and his poor management through revenue sharing? This aint the 60s. There was once a time where a lone maverick and his lawyers could take on a conglomerate. Not in the post-Bush America.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
sup MR? you were almost drinking the Kool-Aid then we lost to the donkeys… Oh well it was nice while it lasted
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I think Jeffy has started to see the effects of ‘Dementia” the league is looking into…
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Kush, he started it.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
408, I tried, man. I tried. Every year there’s some point where I believe, except for last year. Knew we were toast from the gate. But after the SD game, I started to believe. I really did. Thought Cable was taking control. I was wrong, again.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Man, Jerry this is the one time where I applaud you for doing an excellent job of reading between the lines. You are spot on about your analysis of Garcia. Good Job.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:06 pm
MR-
You’ve been defending and sticking up for
Chick-o-chet all these months, now you guys aren’t speaking?
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
MR…. I feel ya homie…. RAIDER ON..
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Jerry, see what I mean? You’ve got AlisFraud giving you props. That’s when you know you’ve posted something insane.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Doesn’t matter who we have at QB. We call deep passing plays from our own end zone, and prevent defenses with time on the clock in one score games, we can have the best QB in the game and it won’t matter. JaMarcus Russell is not the reason this team is losing. Al Davis is.
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Throwing the ball deep out of your own end zone is not a bad playcall at all. The D is often anticipating a run and stacking the line in hopes of a safety. A deep pass can get either a big gain or a big gain from pass interference and an INT off a deep pass can act like a punt.
The fact is there easily could have been pass interference called on that play. I’m not saying it was a slam-dunk PI call but I’d say at least 50% of the time that kind of contact with the WR falling down draws a flag. If DHB doesn’t fall down there I think he makes the catch (or at least has the ball bounce off his hands).
Totally agree with you about running the prevent D with significant time on the clock though. Hopefully these coaches will never forget that lesson after the disappointing SD loss.
Also agree that JaMarcus is not the sole reason for the Raiders’ struggles right now. He’s definitely at the top of the list, but it’s not that simple where you can just blame one guy. And, in terms of “struggles,” let’s not forget we should have beat SD and then we did beat KC. The Denver game undoubtedly was a disgrace. The D got picked apart and the O was totally inept. Hopefully it was an aberration. Sadly, my head tells me that’s not the case. But we’ll see.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 pm
1. # El Negro Cato Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Also, El Negro, I don’t think Vick’s a punk, either. And therefore, I’m willing to bet his number 2 hole remains exit only, despite his prison stint. I think you’re kind of confused as to how things work in prison.
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Got some first hand experience you would like to share?
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Richochet: El Negro?? This is Real MaddenRaider..you haven’t seen his most recent revelation, I presume.
RealMadden has first hand experience, and more.
Witness:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:45pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:” I’d still take Garcia. It would be kind of nice to see Jeffy running around in tight pants again.”
I think that says it all, don’t you?
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Kush, he started it.
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LMFAO…what are you? In kindergarten?
“he started it…I’M TELLING.”
Hey, forgot to ask..how’s the new Russell jersey your mommy bought you?
Can’t believe you got your size, XS.
Honestly, how stupid do you feel announcing “I’M OFF TO GET MY NEW RUSSELL JERSEY. I HAVE FAITH. HE’S GOING TO KICK THE BRONCO’S ASS. THEN YOU’LL ALL FIND OUT”
is it possible you feel as stupid as you look?
Is that even possible?
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Chris in NY Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
“Throwing the ball deep out of your own end zone is not a bad playcall at all. The D is often anticipating a run and stacking the line in hopes of a safety.”
Yeh, that’s exactly what Denver did, didn’t they? Considering Bey was double covered…
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 pm
A deep passing play is NEVER a good call for the Raiders. Every team we ever play will anticipate us throwing deep. Every team, every game, as long as Al Davis is anywhere in the building. Come on, Chris.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Chris wrote:
“Also agree that JaMarcus is not the sole reason for the Raiders’ struggles right now. He’s definitely at the top of the list,”
……
No, he’s not at the top of the list, Chris. The Raiders are the worst team in the NFL since 2003. Russell has only been here since 2007. Try again.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
That’s because we had Ron Wolf in the ’70s. Wolf was all about finding football players, no-names that he knew could play this game. Davis was the one who was all about sprint times, vertical jump, etc.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
It’s become a joke of a team….. The Patriots are the Raiders of the 70’s and 80’s…… They pick up guys like Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and they find a way to win…..They are the new raiders!!
Our team is now closer to the Tampa Bay Bucaneers of the 70’s…..
It’s really SAD!!!
No Accountability….
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Garcia still sux
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Oakglenn Says:
And that was Russell as a true sophmore and true junior. But you knew that didn’t you?? Now STFU, obviously you don’t know what the fook you are talking about. maybe the SF Whiners are more your style.
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Dude, R u alright mentally? I am not sure if you read his piece correctly, dude said JR struggled against top defenses that implicated Nfl systems like Florida, Auburn, etc. I think you should read it carefully instead of quoting some idiots from LSU newspaper lol.
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What R you Stupid?? No seriously, raider4eva, are you stupid???? When you have a team that is ranked #1 in the nation, or has a defense that is top 4 in the nation what that means is EVERYONE is going to struggle against that defense. I know this is VERY hard for you to understand, but Russell did not struggle against the 155th ranked defense in the country he struggled against the #4 ranked defense in the country. Well, they were ranked #4 in the country because EVERYONE stuggled against them. You’re not a very smart guy huh???
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
this aint no spelling Bee OG…. Im just sayin…
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
And BTW what the hell does Raiders4eve mean?? Who the hell is eve?? Or did you mean Raiders4ever and you didn’t spell it right? You are posting really stupid stuff and then why should any of us take you seriously, if you can’t even figure out how to spell your own name??
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Anyone know what Al’s net worth is?
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yeah, he’s probably worth half a billion dollars. Which is exactly half a billion dollars more than YOU have give or take forty bucks. Davis isn’t broke. You are.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 am
OG..
the only otha dude who cuts and paste like that is….. naaaa it cant be
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 am
Raiders4eve Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Oakglenn Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Ok here is another factor, check out the games JR struggled against, those defenses resembled NFL defenses.
This 2006
Against Auburn no TDs 57.1 Pct
Against Florida 1 td 3 INT 58 PCT
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One last thing, I think that Auburn team had a top 5 defense and Florida was ranked number one late in the season. And of course, a completion percentage just under 60% against that kind of competition is not that bad. Of course you knew that. And you knew that Russells QB rating that year was third in the nation behind colt brennan and john Beck, neither of which played in a major. And you knew that too didn’t you “True Raider.” You can get up off the floor now.
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Here you go you said it, Florida and Auburn defenses resembled NFL teams defenses and dude struggles, wow how smart are you?
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Actually, no, I did not say Florida and Auburn defenses resembled NFL defenses. What I said was Florida Was #1 in the nation that year, and Auburn was ranked defensively in the top 5. Oh, and BTW, LSU under Russell ended the season ranked #3 in the nation. dumbass.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 am
Oakglenn,
Dude, You are fired up today…Whats up!!
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:19 am
Oakglenn, thanks for pointing out that Al Davis is much richer than I am. Really put me in my place. FYI: Every other owner in the league is far richer than me, too. And most of them are richer than Al Davis. That’s kind of the whole point, here.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 am
Oakglenn, btw,
How do you know Al Davis is worth half a billion?
And, would that be considered a lot or a little…. by NFL standards?
October 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 am
Morning nation. Lets go bears. Sc is going down
October 3rd, 2009 at 7:52 am
408RAIDER Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 am
Morning nation. Lets go bears. Sc is going down
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LMFAO!
Morning, good luck with your prediction. LOL
October 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 am
morning all.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 am
can Al please get a GM. this crap always comes up when we lose and look bad. its getting too old.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:29 am
Ex it could happen! Morning 4eva.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 am
Wonder what ever happened to the poster TommyTrojan. He used to claim to work for Raider Image through the Raiders.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 am
Is every1 finished whining about the donkey game. Sheez
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:34 am
Been pretty down most of the week thanks to last weeks result.
It could be worse.I work with a friend who’s a ’skins fan.He’s just about ate his liver this week due to them losing to the Lions.Probably didn’t help with me reminding him at every possible momemt.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:36 am
Thats the first,only and last time I will mention the game 408.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:40 am
am i the only cal fan awake
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
408…..Don’t tell me….let me guess.We’re doomed.2-14 season.Russell is a bust.Bench Dmac.Fire Cable.Die AL.
That kinda stuff ?
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
the rst are dreaming they can win.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 am
I see the clock is still crap.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:43 am
Right on neil. It was getting realy bad in here.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:44 am
Oh gfp got jokes. Ha ha. Go bears
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 am
408,
I am done with last week as well. It took a lot longer than usual for that hangover to go away.
The players on this team have talent. They have to put a full game together and eliminate the bonehead mistakes.
They should be able to beat Houston. This is the game where Michael Bush and DMAC HAVE TO shine. I also hope to see a lot of JLH. I think Cable was too quick to toss him to the side.
Defense has to buck up and play well. Can’t let a QB like Schaub sit back and watch the field. They will be prepared and expect plenty of balls over the middle to Daniels (TE) and their slot receivers. Marshall will HAVE to make adjustments to the game plan.
Raiders 28 Texans 17
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:02 am
408RAIDER Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:40 am
am i the only cal fan awake”
The Bears D is going to hit Matt Barkley so hard he’s going to think he’s CHARLES Barkley. And look out for Jahvid Best, he’s pissed.
Cal 23
USC 16
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 am
I’ve spoke about this on another site and most didn’t like it.I’ve always thought that the Raiders should use Dmac the same way that the Saints use Bush.I’m not saying don’t use him between the tackles but get him outside more often either running or short passes in the flat.
I’d even put him behind the centre in short yardage with Bush as the RB.Gives us a load of options and keeps the D guessing.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
SnB
It’s not going to get better, whether the Raiders win this week or not. They will lay down next week or the week after.
The organization under Al Davis is fundamentally dysfunctional, the players know it, and they will not kill themselves for it.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:08 am
Morning KK
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 am
I also hope to see a lot of JLH. I think Cable was too quick to toss him to the side.
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Do you really think Cable tossed him aside?
Nah, Al Davis tossed him aside in favor of his shiney new sprinter. Who, Cable has been busy trying to get the ball to, to make Davis look good.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
KoolKell Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 am
I also hope to see a lot of JLH. I think Cable was too quick to toss him to the side.
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Do you really think Cable tossed him aside?
Nah, Al Davis tossed him aside in favor of his shiney new sprinter. Who, Cable has been busy trying to get the ball to, to make Davis look good.”
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Hate to disagree so early in the morning, ok it’s not that early. JLH and DHB play 2 different positions. DHB is an outside wr where as JLH primarily plays in the slot, although he played all over last year. I don’t know exactly why JLH has fallen out of favor so to speak, he definitely hasn’t been on the field much at all this season. He was the leading wr for the Raiders last year and now he doesn’t even have a catch.
Now that I think about it more KK may be on to something regarding DHB. JLH is worthy of being the #2 wr regardless of preference of position, it’s not like JLH can ONLY play in the slot. Maybe they should give DHB a shot in the slot. Catch a slant over the middle and see how fast he can really run.
On a funny side note, has anyone noticed JLH’s high flat top/fade? He looks like Kid from KidnPlay. I imagine that’s the look he’s going for after seeing him do the “Carlton” last year.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:24 am
Garbage-cia is done. Nothing to see here!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
Agree with Kool Kell. Maybe we’ll win this week, but who cares because the players will revert to the same junk and eventually will IMPLODE at some point this season.
Just a question of time. You could see them slumping in the Donkey’s game, LOUSY BODY LANGUAGE…
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 am
neilb Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
408…..Don’t tell me….let me guess.We’re doomed.2-14 season.Russell is a bust.Bench Dmac.Fire Cable.Die AL.
That kinda stuff ?
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You left out “Bey sucks”
Get it right…sheesh.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 am
KoolKell Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
SnB
It’s not going to get better, whether the Raiders win this week or not. They will lay down next week or the week after.
The organization under Al Davis is fundamentally dysfunctional, the players know it, and they will not kill themselves for it.
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What can I say…..I’ve got one more weekend in me
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am
KoolKell,
I will stick with this until they are done. They lose this weekend then you can call it the season. This weekend is a playoff game as far as I am concerned…or as close to a playoff game we will ever see.
Hopefully this highly paid group of athletes can get it together. Maybe…just maybe…Al Davis will step aside for a weekend.
Who knows? But I tend not to stick with hobbies that don’t bring a certain measure of enjoyment to my life.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am
Glutten for Punishment Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 am
can Al please get a GM. this crap always comes up when we lose and look bad. its getting too old.
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Get a GM?
Huh?
Al IS the GM.
He’s also your head scout, head coach, and head cheese.
He wears many hats to cover those 7 remaining hairs.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:08 am
Morning KK
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You’re a woman, aren’t you?
Or incredibly insecure.
“Morning KK” “Goodnight So and so”.
You ever notice how no one ever bothers to acknowledge you?
Yeah, little lady..incredibly insecure. Any slapped on joke of a fool who posts, AS A RETORT AFTER GETTING TORCHED ON A IDIOT COMMENT, the following : “I make more in a day than any of you make IN YOUR LIFETIME” is screaming LOSER. See, anyone who actually does do well? NEVER has the need to point that out..only insecure losers who are far from it, who are desperate to try and convince someone their NOT a loser, says something so incredibly ignorant.
You know..that’s almost as ignorant as someone stating “I have a sailboat that is worth more than what you’ll make in YOUR WHOLE LIFE”.
And the topper? While I pretty much will respond to any number of comments made here, that I disagree with..you’re the ONLY ONE who stated ‘You follow me. You post just to me…go away. leave me alone. I’m going to tell”
think about it…you scream ‘I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK I’M NOT A LOSER..PLEASE..SOMEONE?? ANYONE?”
And no, you may not respond.
Yeah..that works, lol.
Go tell everyone…oh..heck..this week..let’s make it an ISLAND YOU JUST BOUGHT with the money you made..BY NOON
Fool.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
Dogg…Crabtree is a chump. He symbolizes EVERYTHING that is wrong with the NFL. Unproven rookies holding out, demanding WAY more money than established vets and taking the cash and not delivering.
….kinda like JaHambone, McFadden, Bey etc……
Somebody has got to make a stand. Sit out punk and get drafted in the 5th round next year.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
I wish Michael Crabtree would pull his head out of his a$$ and figure it out. As much as I can’t stand the 9ers, I would like to see this kid play. All signs are pointing to him holding out until next year’s draft. He will probably get drafted by the Patriots, they have something like 40 picks in next year’s draft. If he thought that Singletary made him cry, Bellichik will have Crabtree quivering in the corner…
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
RaiderDogg,
Its a free market. If Crabtree thinks he’s worth more money…he is totally free to pursue any course of action he sees fit. Obviously, he must think someone will pay him the dollars in next year’s draft. And who knows…he could be right. There are a lot of teams with no wide receivers that could use a good talent…Titans, Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs and others….
If he’s wrong…he costs himself money. I don’t think its that big a deal. Crabtree is doing what he feels is his best interest. Free market economics at work
And by the way, the Niners are also doing what they feel is in their best interest by not paying him.
I wish they would get rid of the draft and let the players sign with whomever is willing to pay them. Then you would see the free market at work.
Of course the Raiders would see the short-end of the stick given they have only developed 3 1st or 2nd rd picks since 1999. (Asomugha, Howard, Janikowski)
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 am
No such thing as bad press!
No other team would be the lead story in sports on some NO NEWS story from a 4th string QB who was just cut, lol!
This stuff is funny! The Raiders, good are bad, are being talked about by everyone! Too funny!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Off to Man U/Sunderland game.Have a great Saturday everyone.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 am
Uh oh, my stalker is back.
Honestly I have no idea who you are and I am wondering why you find it absolutely necessary to constantly follow me around and obsess over every post that I make.
Seek help
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:53 am
JHill,
Why hasn’t Garcia been picked up by another team yet? Everyone raves about how talented this guy is, yet his only offer was to be the emergency QB in Philly for two weeks.
He (Garcia) is pathetic and everyone has caught on to his game. You gain NOTHING by playing him. He can’t win games, (Tampa dumped him and Gruden spent 2 yrs trying to replace him!)
Again, Raider fans are delusional. They love the idea of trying to play old veteran rejects like Garcia, McCown, Culpepper, Brooks, Collins, Hollas, George, Evans, Wilson, Schroeder….and the same Raider fan learned nothing from the short-term joy…long-term destruction that comes from playing old vets at the end (Hostetler/Gannon)
Again, two or three years of average play…then retirement!
HEAR ME RAIDER FAN! YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP A YOUNG QB TO WIN IN THE NFL!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
RaiderDogg,
Actually, the whole thing could be remedied by eliminating the draft!
Get rid of it. Let each player negotiate with as many teams as he sees fit and let the player pick the best offer on table. Each team could pursue any player it wants and will have to put the best offer on the table to land the player.
Perfect economics!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
SNB
I don’t blame the guy one bit, any kind of leverage on his part needs to be taken. I don’t blame the 9ers either, they should stand pat. This could all be remedied with a Rookie Salary Cap of some kind. I am so tired of these guys that have never played a down in the NFL making far too much money, while some proven vets are tossed aside.
For some reason the Patriots and the Bears came to mind when I thought about who would draft Crabtree next year.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
SNB
Just a plain old rookie free agent pool? That would certainly favor all of the good teams. The Raiders would have a hard time winning favor with many rookies, the way things have been around here for the last 6+ years. They would have to seriously over pay rookies, like they do free agents now.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:01 am
jhill Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 am
No such thing as bad press!
No other team would be the lead story in sports on some NO NEWS story from a 4th string QB who was just cut, lol!
This stuff is funny! The Raiders, good are bad, are being talked about by everyone! Too funny!
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ONLY the receprient’s of bad press state “no such thing as bad press”.
Oh….BTW..that’s usually reserved for celebs..who need their name in the limelight so they’re ‘remembered’..or “considered for the next role’..it’s NEVER used for teams that are the laughingstock of the country.. No, not just the NFL, the country.
Oh, and another tidbit for you, babbling boob..to show you how stupid your comment is. EACH AND EVERY TIME a Gannon comment surfaces? Where Garcia echoes it? Where Tim Brown confirms it? Where the Halls, Sapps, Simms, etc state it’s exactly that bad?
That “press” is noted by agents and players alike..adding to the mountain of negative press that goes along with the Raiders organization.
Let me help you figure out what it means, because I’m know you’re confused. (no, I know..in denial, not confused)
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A TOP PLAYER WANTED TO COME TO THE RAIDERS?
Yeah, I’m stumped as well.
Ok..try this. When was the last time a top player signed with the Raiders without making it clear he was not happy with the deal?
See? lol..
That “bad press” that you stated was no biggee is why the Raiders are where their at.
You can thank me later for enlightening you dreggs.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am
SNB
Excellent point. I still might be against anything that would put the Raiders at a distinct dis-advantage.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 am
Jhill
another excellent point
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
RaiderDogg,
Not necessarily. If you are a rookie QB like Sanchez or Stafford this year. Are you going to go to a team like the Giants or Patriots? Probably not, because you won’t have a chance to play for years.
Of course, a team like the Raiders would be disadvantaged for an entirely different reason. The Raiders inability to develop players would any top tier talent in a rookie free agent pool. Of course, for the Raiders that too would be a blessing, since the only players that seem to get any traction here are the later round picks.
Of course, the Raiders would still have been the only team to overpay for DHB!
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
I reiterate, Garcia Blows, he hasnt won anything in the NFL.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
Get rid of the draft ????
WOW!
It wouldn’t truely favor the good teams, b/c there would still be a salary cap. Look at how many teams try and trade out of the first rounds.
Could be interesting.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
Higgins has been dinged up. He’s not getting phased out by any stretch. You’ll see plenty of him before year’s end, just wait.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
PKRaider,
I hear ya. Let’s see what happens this weekend before we call it quits.
The fact of the matter is a win this weekend would go a long way to righting the ship.
Prior to the season, I felt if the Raiders were 2-2 at the end of 1st QTR of the season, they would be right where they need to be.
I also said anything less than 2-2 would be a total disaster.
I still stand by my statement
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
MacRaider Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
I reiterate, Garcia Blows, he hasnt won anything in the NFL.
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The interview had NOTHING to do with Garcia, lol. The Raiders as a topic “sell tickets” for these ESPNs, Fox Sports News, and the likes. Post something about the Raider dysfunction, and everyone, no matter WHAT side you are on, has a comment.
The NUMBER ONE story on ESPN.com is Garcia’s comments? And have you seen how many comments it’s generated?
It F’kng laughs, man!
Garcia says JRuss isn’t ready. Garcia says some guys are there to just collect a check. Garcia says that mandate has come from above.
Ok … Sooooooo where is the new news? Did anyone really sit there and say is that what really goes on in Alameda? The waterboy could come out and say the same thing and it would be the lead AP story.
We know, we know, and everyone knows. Just like the sky is blue, the Raiders are the 8 track of the league. You might as well print the sky is blue right next to all of that. lol!
Gimme a break!
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
Might as well face it fellas. All of our youngsters are going to play until they either get it or they don’t and we are just going to have to suffer through along with them. It’s called “Baptisim by fire”. Let them learn on the field like the Cowboys did in the early Aikman days. You might as well just support them because it’s not going to change.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 am
I’ve sat by and watched the greatest franchise in all of sports, not just football, get flushed down the toilet, and I can’t stay quiet any longer.
Each of the last six years I’ve eagerly awaited the new year, full of hope that the team will somehow find its way out of the wilderness and regain its past greatness, only to quickly realize that there really is no hope — the team I came to love 35 years ago is still just an embarrasment.
Why has this happened, and why can’t the team find its way out of the darkness? We all know the answer — it’s not the coaches or the players. The man at the top, who was once one of the greatest minds in football, has become a delusional Norma Desmond (go watch Sunset Boulevard, if you don’t get the reference), dreaming of past glory and unable to recognize the real world. Deluded by an ego that’s out of controd, he refuses to release the iron grip that continues to throttle the life out of this team. The coaches can’t use the best players, or call the plays they know they should, and the players quickly realize that there’s no hope and give up.
Sooner or later, the league or the other owners of this team will grow a pair and find a way to send in the men in white coats. Maybe they just need to convince Ms. Desmond, I mean Mr. Davis, that they’re coming to film his close-up, not to haul him away.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
jhill Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
Get rid of the draft ????
WOW!
It wouldn’t truely favor the good teams, b/c there would still be a salary cap. Look at how many teams try and trade out of the first rounds.
Could be interesting.
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It would naturally bring down the salaries of many…and might increase the salaries for a few.
Think about it. A guy like Aaron Curry or BJ Raji. Teams that believe in building inside out…(usually the successfull teams) would probably be in a bidding war for guys like that.
Meanwhile, these flashy skill position players might only have a couple of “needy” teams or philosophical (read Raiders) teams bidding for them.
The Raiders would have been able to get DHB for a song if not for the draft.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 am
Oakglenn Says:
Actually, no, I did not say Florida and Auburn defenses resembled NFL defenses. What I said was Florida Was #1 in the nation that year, and Auburn was ranked defensively in the top 5. Oh, and BTW, LSU under Russell ended the season ranked #3 in the nation. dumbass.
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U r so pathetic for more than 5 posts u r saying the exact thing. Listen n read clearly, the point was that JR was system QB, if u believe he wasn’t then answer why LSU won the national championship while losing so many talents QB, Wrs, Safety, etc? U saying they were ranked third, they became first the yr after. JR was a system QB that sucked against good teams n as u say top defenses.
Second point, noone except Al would have drafted JR in the top 10 of the draft, I remember reading and watching many ppl saying Brady is a better QB in the eyes of many GMs, n that dude dropped from top 10, therefore JR would have also dropped.
Third point, don’t worry abt my nick it’s a shortcut raiders4eve read it, it’s clear. We aren’t in posting for the NY Times n have to grammatically correct, u can use shortcuts just like everyone does, I guess u so messed up that u trying makeup excuses lol “what’s raiders4eve” omg he didn’t type correctly! I m going to tell mommy. U remind of a kids who kept asking what means a slang, dude for real, are u over 18? Lol. Hopefully u follow the easy format I laid out to u, I don’t want to hear anything else except things I pointed out in this post otherwise I will ignore u and engage new conversation with some smart dudes like MR.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 am
i’ll bet you tonight in the hotel room before the game JaPoatRoast will be in his room on the phone chatting up one of his ladies back in oaktown or berkley, or playing x-box or renting pay per view movies.
i wander what peyton manning is doing the night before a game in his hotel room – probably around the t.v watching tape of his opponent with the recievers and the o-line.
it’s just a hunch but i get that impression.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
RaiderDogg,
Actually, the whole thing could be remedied by eliminating the draft!
Get rid of it. Let each player negotiate with as many teams as he sees fit and let the player pick the best offer on table. Each team could pursue any player it wants and will have to put the best offer on the table to land the player.
Perfect economics!
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Wow.
What kind of sense does that make?
None.
You obviously missed the day in class Economics was discussed.
That would create total CHAOS..not perfect economics.
Would price some teams out of the league.
Would leave the teams with the huge markets and stadiums holding all the cards..where all the players would want to go to.
Would leave teams like the Raiders having to pay quadruple what some unproven player is even worth, just to get him to sign. Raiders would be priced out of every deal thereafter, because they had to massively overpay just to get someone.
Kind of like now, lol.
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RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am
SNB
Excellent point.
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LOL..what a lemming.
No, it wasn’t an excellent point, fool.
Again, you’re a woman, aren’t you?
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
No More Infield or Trolls Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
Might as well face it fellas. All of our youngsters are going to play until they either get it or they don’t and we are just going to have to suffer through along with them. It’s called “Baptisim by fire”. Let them learn on the field like the Cowboys did in the early Aikman days. You might as well just support them because it’s not going to change.
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Pretty much!
Ain’t no mircale coach or GM coming to save us! Well maybe the Napa police might, lol! But other than that, it’s the Al and Cable show, co starring JRuss, DHB, McFadden, and Huggy Bear!
Get your popcorn folks, and enjoy the show!
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
PkRaider.I’ve been saying for a long time that the minority owners of this team can’t be happy about their investment being mismanaged by Al. I’m afraid though that he’s got them by the short hairs and they are powerless. My wish is that the Commish would offer Al a job with the NFL meaning that he would to relinquish his invovment with the Raiders. Al was the commish of the old AFL for a bit and does have some experiance in that regard.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Richochet Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
RaiderDogg,
Actually, the whole thing could be remedied by eliminating the draft!
Get rid of it. Let each player negotiate with as many teams as he sees fit and let the player pick the best offer on table. Each team could pursue any player it wants and will have to put the best offer on the table to land the player.
Perfect economics!
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Wow.
What kind of sense does that make?
None.
You obviously missed the day in class Economics was discussed.
That would create total CHAOS..not perfect economics.
Would price some teams out of the league.
Would leave the teams with the huge markets and stadiums holding all the cards..where all the players would want to go to.
Would leave teams like the Raiders having to pay quadruple what some unproven player is even worth, just to get him to sign. Raiders would be priced out of every deal thereafter, because they had to massively overpay just to get someone.
Kind of like now, lol.
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No. Because the salary cap is what keeps the playing field level. The salary cap is based on the T.V contract. Not the income derived from other sources.
Players will have to weigh a couple of factors before signing with a team:
1. Salary offer from team (salary cap limited)
2. Ability to get on the field and start because everything else is derived from this
3. Team ability to develop player’s skills (coaching) (stability)
4. Income derived from outside activities (big mkt influenced)
5. Quality of life…Miami vs. Kansas City
Raiders wouldn’t have to pay over the top for an unproven player. They do that now. How much did DHB, Mitchell, DMAC, Russell, Huff get paid? Talk about overpaying for a bunch of stiffs……At least without a draft, the Raiders could gauge how much real interest there was in a guy like DHB or Mike Mitchell, instead of just making a wild azz guess.
Don’t forget. Players want to play. Most players would rather start for the Raiders, then ride the bench for the Patriots…all things being equal. Of course, the Raider front office chaos would force them to pay a premium. And it should! There should be a penalty for the incompetence that eminates from Al Davis and his front office!
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
Dogg,
I know what you mean your lil buddy Oakglen wont release my leg either.
# RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
A person that follows me around and hangs on my EVERY WORD and POST is calling me a lemming? LMFAO!
I don’t even know who this guy is yet he is sooo obsessed with everything that I say.
Wow, seek help.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
Richochet n Oakglenn r brothers I guess, u guys should go n watch your WWE cause y’ll seem too immature
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
A person that follows me around and hangs on my EVERY WORD and POST is calling me a lemming? LMFAO!
I don’t even know who this guy is yet he is sooo obsessed with everything that I say.
Wow, seek help.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Yeah SnB,
But there would have to be a few more things put in place to make it work.
This is not baseball, so it could work. Stafford is NOT going to come out and go to Indy, NE, or Pitt and sit on the bench.
Each year, certain teams would have money to spend, and others wouldn’t.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
You would be correct, PK.
Except the league won’t ever get involved.
Few reasons.
First Al would sue. League would have to spend 10’s of millions in court.
Second is Al hasn’t broken any rules. That’s why the lawsuit would prevail.
Lastly other owners? The LOVE what Al is doing. Wouldn’t you, if you were an owner?
He’s making every other place much more desireable to play. Comments are “hey, at least the organization isn’t as bad as the Raiders” And the owners love the idea of penciling in a W when the Raiders are on their schedule.
Nope..you’re stuck with Al until he dies.
Just the way it is.
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PKRaider Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 am
I’ve sat by and watched the greatest franchise in all of sports, not just football, get flushed down the toilet, and I can’t stay quiet any longer.
Each of the last six years I’ve eagerly awaited the new year, full of hope that the team will somehow find its way out of the wilderness and regain its past greatness, only to quickly realize that there really is no hope — the team I came to love 35 years ago is still just an embarrasment.
Why has this happened, and why can’t the team find its way out of the darkness? We all know the answer — it’s not the coaches or the players. The man at the top, who was once one of the greatest minds in football, has become a delusional Norma Desmond (go watch Sunset Boulevard, if you don’t get the reference), dreaming of past glory and unable to recognize the real world. Deluded by an ego that’s out of controd, he refuses to release the iron grip that continues to throttle the life out of this team. The coaches can’t use the best players, or call the plays they know they should, and the players quickly realize that there’s no hope and give up.
Sooner or later, the league or the other owners of this team will grow a pair and find a way to send in the men in white coats. Maybe they just need to convince Ms. Desmond, I mean Mr. Davis, that they’re coming to film his close-up, not to haul him away.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
Heavy run n blitzes will win us games but Al davis would fire Cable if he changed da verticle n pass coverage philosophy.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:36 am
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 am
i’ll bet you tonight in the hotel room before the game JaPoatRoast will be in his room on the phone chatting up one of his ladies back in oaktown or berkley, or playing x-box or renting pay per view movies.
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See, this is where I can appreciate a coach like Hanson. Never slept is what they said about the guy, right?
On the road, in a hotel room, why aren’t Hackett and Tollner in the room with JRuss going over stuff? (Maybe they are, I don’t know.) And why didn’t they stop by DHB’s room on their way to JRuss’s room? Are they making sure DHB and McFadden walk around all week, and even sleep with a ball in their hands?
Maybe it was the coaches Garcia was talking about who are just there to collect a check!
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
jhill Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Yeah SnB,
But there would have to be a few more things put in place to make it work.
This is not baseball, so it could work. Stafford is NOT going to come out and go to Indy, NE, or Pitt and sit on the bench.
Each year, certain teams would have money to spend, and others wouldn’t.
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The salary cap will prevent the baseball like abuses. All teams still are limited to spending the same amount out of the t.v money.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
RaiderDogg,
Actually, the whole thing could be remedied by eliminating the draft!
Get rid of it. Let each player negotiate with as many teams as he sees fit and let the player pick the best offer on table. Each team could pursue any player it wants and will have to put the best offer on the table to land the player.
Perfect economics!
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Wow.
What kind of sense does that make?
None.
You obviously missed the day in class Economics was discussed.
That would create total CHAOS..not perfect economics.
Would price some teams out of the league.
Would leave the teams with the huge markets and stadiums holding all the cards..where all the players would want to go to.
Would leave teams like the Raiders having to pay quadruple what some unproven player is even worth, just to get him to sign. Raiders would be priced out of every deal thereafter, because they had to massively overpay just to get someone.
Kind of like now, lol.
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RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am
SNB
Excellent point.
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LOL..what a lemming.
No, it wasn’t an excellent point, fool.
Again, you’re a woman, aren’t you?
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RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
A person that follows me around and hangs on my EVERY WORD and POST is calling me a lemming? LMFAO!
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And a liar.
And a coward.
And totally full of crap.
Did I leave anything out?
Yeah, lemming. See..others comment, sometimes really IGNORANT comments..AND TO BE ACCEPTED..you rush with the “Great post”..you just go along.
That’s what insecure people do. Along with stating “Oh hey everyone, I’m worth billions..no, really, I am..BILLIONS AND BILLIONS..yeah, lol..fool…YOUR WORDS.
Now..again..follow the rules. You may NOT reply. Accept your lot in life..shallow end of pool.
Now, go, lol…quick..
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
JHill,
I hear what you are saying about the Hanson guy. Maybe he’s the only guy that truly is trying to fight through this.
Al Davis should just go and find his kindred spirit and hire the guy.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
Scott reminds of Tyler Brayton, I really think Dez Bryant should play instead of Warren dude over pursues on running plays
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
Stalker alert!
Who is this guy that is constantly obsessing over me? Let it go, I have no interest in interacting with fools. Move along…
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
KK
I’m not sure you can blame the organization for McFadden’s fumblitis. He had the same problem in college. You may be right about the other 2 though…
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Again, how much time was Kiffin spending working with Russell during those formative years? Where is DeFillipo (his QB coach?_
Russell and this team learned a lot of bad habits. That’s why I HOPE Davis let Cable remake the lockerroom.
That’s why Singletary is so successfull. He owns the lockerroom and he owns the game day. No interference. He also pushes players in the offseason. Remember his “HIll”
Russell comes in out of shape. Is that going to fly in San Fran?
Russell holds a passing camp. Who shows up? Murphy and Watkins. Murphy didn’t sign his contract either. Look who leads the doggone team in receptions.
The whole culture of expectations in Oakland is poisoned. That’s why players don’t reach their full potential.
Where’s our “Hill”
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Richochet Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
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Wow.
What kind of sense does that make?
None.
You obviously missed the day in class Economics was discussed.
That would create total CHAOS..not perfect economics.
Would price some teams out of the league.
Would leave the teams with the huge markets and stadiums holding all the cards..where all the players would want to go to.
Would leave teams like the Raiders having to pay quadruple what some unproven player is even worth, just to get him to sign. Raiders would be priced out of every deal thereafter, because they had to massively overpay just to get someone.
Kind of like now, lol.
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No. Because the salary cap is what keeps the playing field level. The salary cap is based on the T.V contract. Not the income derived from other sources.
Players will have to weigh a couple of factors before signing with a team:
1. Salary offer from team (salary cap limited)
2. Ability to get on the field and start because everything else is derived from this
3. Team ability to develop player’s skills (coaching) (stability)
4. Income derived from outside activities (big mkt influenced)
5. Quality of life…Miami vs. Kansas City
Raiders wouldn’t have to pay over the top for an unproven player. They do that now. How much did DHB, Mitchell, DMAC, Russell, Huff get paid? Talk about overpaying for a bunch of stiffs……At least without a draft, the Raiders could gauge how much real interest there was in a guy like DHB or Mike Mitchell, instead of just making a wild azz guess.
Don’t forget. Players want to play. Most players would rather start for the Raiders, then ride the bench for the Patriots…all things being equal. Of course, the Raider front office chaos would force them to pay a premium. And it should! There should be a penalty for the incompetence that eminates from Al Davis and his front office!
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But you said it..players all things equal, will pick NE over KC. The warmth of Miami over freezing in Buffalo..the deep pockets of Dallas compared to Al having to borrow money.
No parity.
The small markets couldn’t compete. Team values would plummet. Players would buy out contracts just to go elsewhere.
Ripple effect would devastate the league, IMO.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
Yeah, I agree we’re stuck with him. Until something really bad happens, I guess. Like in Sunset Boulevard (to continue the metaphor) — nobody did anything about the nut job that ran the place until someone ended up face down in the pool.
Maybe the league is content to let this franchise go completely belly-up. Then they could replace it with one in LA without having to have a big fight with Al.
Still, delusional despots stay in power only because those who could do something to stop it are content to be enablers of the status quo. The league, the coaches, the other minority owners — even the fans who continue to pay to see this [expletive deleted] week after week, year after year — they’re all just enablers. Sooner or later, something bad enough will happen that forces the league’s or other owners’ hands. Unless Al is done in by “natural causes” first.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
“You learn in the NFL that the minor things are major, so you have to stay on top of everything. I just look forward to getting an opportunity to get to play and show the fans and my teammates what I can do.”
– Rashard Mendenhall after getting benched by Mike Tomlin for not knowing his playbook
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Russell, McFadden, Bey all playing badly, coiky-dinky? Really?
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Here’s the link to the Mendenhall article. A 1st round pick benched by Mike Tomlin because he didn’t get the playbook right. Does Cable have that authority?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4525049
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
Richochet,
But the salary cap keeps the spending equal among the teams.
Also, players want to play 1st and foremost. No top tier QB is going to Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Baltimore, Indy, New England, Jets and quite a few others.
Same for every position. If you are a top tier Center. Would you go play for the Jets with Nick Mangold? No, you will go to the Raiders. Plus, the Jets (big market) are not going to offer a top Center as much as the Raiders SHOULD.
Granted, if Miami and Oakland were bidding on the same QB next yr. The Raiders will have to offer a premium to compensate for:
1. Inferior coaching and support environment
2. History of high pick busts (19 of 22 busts)
3. Quality of life
But, the Raiders would get a top tier QB talent before Indy or New England. Why? A top tier QB still wants to play and is not going to wait 5 yrs before Peyton MIGHT retire.
Now Minnesota might be interesting. Do you wait a year or two for Favre to retire and go to a stable situation….or go the circus in Oakland, play right away and have an 87% chance of being a bust
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:58 am
problem in college. You may be right about the other 2 though…
170.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Again, how much time was Kiffin spending working with Russell during those formative years? Where is DeFillipo (his QB coach?_
Russell and this team learned a lot of bad habits. That’s why I HOPE Davis let Cable remake the lockerroom.
That’s why Singletary is so successfull. He owns the lockerroom and he owns the game day. No interference. He also pushes players in the offseason. Remember his “HIll”
Russell comes in out of shape. Is that going to fly in San Fran?
Russell holds a passing camp. Who shows up? Murphy and Watkins. Murphy didn’t sign his contract either. Look who leads the doggone team in receptions.
The whole culture of expectations in Oakland is poisoned. That’s why players don’t reach their full potential.
Where’s our “Hill”
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Exactly right.
Singletary’s presence commands attention. Cable is a teddy bear, who’s so worried about not hurting anyone’s feelings. There are ZERO SUCCESSFUL HEAD COACHES who didn’t do as you stated, presented their own personal “hill”.
I remember when Singletary sent Vernon Davis to the locker room, first game, barking at him.
Whole country took note. Rest of team definitely took note. And now Vernon is stating “Singletary is the best thing that ever happened to me.”
What’s sad for the Raider fans is Al thinks of himself as a Singletary.. I really believe that.
And thats what he wants..players to fear him, respect him, to jump when he says jump..because, after all, according to Al, Al’s the HC.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
But you said it..players all things equal, will pick NE over KC. The warmth of Miami over freezing in Buffalo..the deep pockets of Dallas compared to Al having to borrow money.
No parity.
The small markets couldn’t compete. Team values would plummet. Players would buy out contracts just to go elsewhere.
Ripple effect would devastate the league, IMO.
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But how would things truely be equal?
I’ll be the first to admit I am no economist or capologist, but it just seems like NE would have to be able to offer a better contract than KC.. The next athlete to turn down the most $ will be the first.
Players buying out their contracts? What about the players NE would have to cut or trade to get a player it might want?
I think the salary cap would have to play into this somehow, and maybe guaranteed contracts.
I think the NBA has it right as far as the rookies go. Might as well model that.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
The biggest difference between Singletary and Cable is he is smart enough to know he should not be calling the plays.
I think Cable breaking Hanson’s jaw had it all set up for him, right or wrong. You could see it in that Charger game. I mean, they were knocking fools out., But now? Seems like a whole new squad!
Maybe he should steal on JRuss??!?!?
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Richochet,
The topic of coaches was brought up on Satellite Radio.
Basically the type of coach mirrors the domination of the owner.
Jim Zorn, Wade Phillips and Tom Cable. Look at the respective owners!
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
KK
I’m not sure you can blame the organization for McFadden’s fumblitis. He had the same problem in college. You may be right about the other 2 though…
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Well, we are sure the Raiders haven’t fixed the problem, aren’t we.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
SnB:
Yes, it keeps it equal, but is it fair that the SB champ, because they’re the champ, and a solid team, is able to snatch the top RB in the draft, ahead of say..Detroit?
So now the player knows theirs a bidding war. Detroit is small market, little bucks, and are easily outbid.
Raiders would also be outbid in short order because they had to pay double for someone because of the above mentioned intangibles of playing for Al.
Where does it end?
the strong get stronger.
Remember how all this came into fruition?
Was Eddie D, pre-cap days, who did just what you stated. Took excellent care of the players, coaches, and staff. Flew the whole team, plus families, in a private jet to Hawaii, each year after the season was over. Lavished boats, cars, jewelry, as appreciation. Other players took pay cuts to come to the Niners, and gladly so.
That’s when the other owners cried foul, because they couldn’t keep up with Eddie’s deep pockets, and rules went into place.
As far as top tier players wanting to start in Oakland, instead of sitting in NE?
Hmm..not so sure about that.
Elway had a chance to start with the Colts. He knew he was going to get KILLED behind that horrible O line, and wanted none of it.
Players seem to now be looking long term, both in probably longevity, but also being on a winner, which brings salary, and endorsements.
Yep, everyone would clammor to go to the top 10 teams, and do everything possible to stay away from the bottom 10, unless they got monstrous bucks.
Which, as we both know, would dry up soon.
Parity.
NFL learned from MLB..watched Steinbrenner buy a team, year after year..and watched other franchises die off, move, and be basically a joke.
NFL is trying to avoid that.
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SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
Richochet,
But the salary cap keeps the spending equal among the teams.
Also, players want to play 1st and foremost. No top tier QB is going to Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Baltimore, Indy, New England, Jets and quite a few others.
Same for every position. If you are a top tier Center. Would you go play for the Jets with Nick Mangold? No, you will go to the Raiders. Plus, the Jets (big market) are not going to offer a top Center as much as the Raiders SHOULD.
Granted, if Miami and Oakland were bidding on the same QB next yr. The Raiders will have to offer a premium to compensate for:
1. Inferior coaching and support environment
2. History of high pick busts (19 of 22 busts)
3. Quality of life
But, the Raiders would get a top tier QB talent before Indy or New England. Why? A top tier QB still wants to play and is not going to wait 5 yrs before Peyton MIGHT retire.
Now Minnesota might be interesting. Do you wait a year or two for Favre to retire and go to a stable situation….or go the circus in Oakland, play right away and have an 87% chance of being a bust
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
JHill,
I don’t like the draft. As much as we bag on these players…they don’t have a choice of where to play.
You go to a place like Oakland. Sorry to bag on our team….but a team like Oakland is TERRIBLE at developing talent…absolutely TERRIBLE at it.
John DeFilipo and Lane Kiffin? or Bill Musgrave and Mike Mularkey? or Tom Moore and Tony Dungy….
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
You are a defensive player..top talent:
Do you want to play for:
Rex Ryan? Dick LeBeau…or Rob Ryan, John Marhsall and Al Davis?
Those draft picks deserve some of their money because of the risk of not getting developed properly and having no choice of where to go
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Richochet,
The topic of coaches was brought up on Satellite Radio.
Basically the type of coach mirrors the domination of the owner.
Jim Zorn, Wade Phillips and Tom Cable. Look at the respective owners!
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Interesting.
And quite true.
Power hungry owners want to make sure their subordinates make it clear to them who’s in charge, and that they’re quite ok with it.
Dead on.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:15 am
One might wonder why the Raiders lead the league in penalties year after year. Why they are so undisciplined year after year.
BECAUSE AL DAVIS DOESN’T ALLOW DISCIPLINE.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
jhill Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
But you said it..players all things equal, will pick NE over KC. The warmth of Miami over freezing in Buffalo..the deep pockets of Dallas compared to Al having to borrow money.
No parity.
The small markets couldn’t compete. Team values would plummet. Players would buy out contracts just to go elsewhere.
Ripple effect would devastate the league, IMO.
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But how would things truely be equal?
I’ll be the first to admit I am no economist or capologist, but it just seems like NE would have to be able to offer a better contract than KC.. The next athlete to turn down the most $ will be the first.
Players buying out their contracts? What about the players NE would have to cut or trade to get a player it might want?
I think the salary cap would have to play into this somehow, and maybe guaranteed contracts.
I think the NBA has it right as far as the rookies go. Might as well model that.
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Exactly right.
NFL is so damn old school, and slow to adjust, it’s annoying.
Now..NOW..after it’s only so obvious, they’re discussing rookie salary cap. Should have been the first discussion ever made. It’s so backasswards that these unproven draft picks are immediately making more money than THE #1 RB THE PREVIOUS YEAR..or the #1 WR..in many cases more than the #1 qb.
Equal is, IMO, drafted players GO WHERE THEIR DRAFTED OR GO TO CANADA and play..adios. Team picks you, that’s where you play.
Salary cap for rookies. By position or not, just a cap, so guys have to EARN their money. (honestly, can anyone believe JR wouldn’t have shown up in TOP SHAPE if he knew his production decided his bank account?)
The above sets the tone so teams aren’t bankrupt because they were actually unfortunate enough to OWN the first pick. (read where some teams don’t want it..because they know the money they’ll have to pay out on someone unproven, which might screw them for the next 5 years)
Now you have equal parity.
Players perform, or no pay.
Teams reward performance, and get rid of wasted picks ( man, how many teams have big bucks on the bench? Alex Smith? Guaranteed 24 mil..Bey..22 mil..Russell..32 mil.. without those guarantees most of the above would know thier job is either terminated, or on the line, right?
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
KK
Remember a few years back when Tiki Barber was having the same problem with fumbles? He ended up carrying a football with him at all times in his everyday life. Whenever someone saw him, they would try to knock the ball out of his hands and cause him to fumble. They even attached a teather line to the end of it and folks would yank on the teather, trying to yank it out of his grasp. It seemed to work, whoever’s idea it was.
I would like to think that the Raiders would be doing something similar, but I am not holding out any hope.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Richochet,
I hear what you are saying. Of course, a Super Bowl champion outbidding for the top RB assumes that its existing RB is on the outs.
But your point is well taken.
I think that the pressure on other teams to clean up their intangibles will lead to much better “long-term” decision making.
The fact that there are a limited number of starting jobs will keep the talent available to all but the most incompetent (read Raiders) teams.
Also, Pittsburgh is a small market team…as is Green Bay and Minnesota. they are just run really really well….while Detroit is a large market team 5 or 6 million people in their metro area and a strong regional following.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
KK
Remember a few years back when Tiki Barber was having the same problem with fumbles? He ended up carrying a football with him at all times in his everyday life. Whenever someone saw him, they would try to knock the ball out of his hands and cause him to fumble. They even attached a teather line to the end of it and folks would yank on the teather, trying to yank it out of his grasp. It seemed to work, whoever’s idea it was.
I would like to think that the Raiders would be doing something similar, but I am not holding out any hope.
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Raiders did do that with Russell to help with his fumbling.
Except they used a Virginia ham, by his request.
They haven’t seen the ham since.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Fargas had fumble problems when he was young, many RB’s have the problem. I cant think of any RB that didnt correct a fumbling problem eventually. If or when Russell turns into half a Qb DMAC’s fumble problems will be long gone. If not it, it doesn’t really matter who fumbles if your Qb is the worst in the NFL.
BFD
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
What I don’t understand is why we don’t have screen plays, is it becuz of 8 man front from opponents defense or is it that JR can’t throw such passes which every QB can execute 100%?
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Fargas had fumble problems when he was young, many RB’s have the problem. I cant think of any RB that didnt correct a fumbling problem eventually. If or when Russell turns into half a Qb DMAC’s fumble problems will be long gone. If not it, it doesn’t really matter who fumbles if your Qb is the worst in the NFL.
BFD
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So are you saying that if a better QB was handing the ball off to DMac that he wouldn’t be fumbling the ball as much?
JaMarcus wasn’t DMac’s qb in college yet he had 23 fumbles in 3 years.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 am
Richochet Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Richochet,
The topic of coaches was brought up on Satellite Radio.
Basically the type of coach mirrors the domination of the owner.
Jim Zorn, Wade Phillips and Tom Cable. Look at the respective owners!
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Interesting.
And quite true.
Power hungry owners want to make sure their subordinates make it clear to them who’s in charge, and that they’re quite ok with it.
Dead on.
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Ahh, but here’s where it gets worse. Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones don’t know much about game preparation and X’s and O’s. As a result, they have to give their coaches the discretion to develop their game planning as they see fit.
In Oakland, Al Davis is an ex-coach. Therefore, you also get all this freekn input on the game plan.
Hence, the Raider situation is more dire than those above
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 am
more two tight end sets
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
Calbe should try to get the ball in DHB’s hands with a screen pass or a reverse. This guy can run with the ball and we need to take advantege of that. I don’t think DHB or DMAC can be stamped as a bust yet, they just don’t get used the right way, like DeAngelo Hall. It’s all on the system and our scouting team (AL DAVIS) and not on the players (except for Jabustus Russell).
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
Al Davis Coached in 63′ 64′ 65′, ok?
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 am
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Ahh, but here’s where it gets worse. Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones don’t know much about game preparation and X’s and O’s. As a result, they have to give their coaches the discretion to develop their game planning as they see fit.
In Oakland, Al Davis is an ex-coach. Therefore, you also get all this freekn input on the game plan.
Hence, the Raider situation is more dire than those above
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Still laughing at Jones when they were shooting that HBO preseason in Cowboy camp.
Jones was acting all that. Made sure they camera’s followed him around. Made sure any football related decisions came from his mouth. I think it was the year after Switzer was fired..
Jones made sure HE was the one who notified a player they weren’t making the team, lol..guy hammed it up big time.
Then the Cowboys went something like 3-13, and that was the end of that.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
Al Davis Coached in 63′ 64′ 65′, ok?
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4 1/2 DECADES ago..
Sure Al..you’ve still “got it”..and don’t you let anyone tell you different
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
CALL THE SLACKERS OUT!!!!!
Thats what a leader does, thats what a Coach does, thats what Davis prevents.
NO MORE SLACKERS!!!
Fire their azzes. No more scholarships, no more free rides. Are you here to win or simply get paid? Fug off!!!
WE deserve better!!!
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
What I don’t understand is why we don’t have screen plays, is it becuz of 8 man front from opponents defense or is it that JR can’t throw such passes which every QB can execute 100%?
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We run lots of them.
Don’t execute enough and too many are BS throw aways on 3rd and 20.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
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Im still pumped 4 the game tomorrow… Bloody Marrys around 930ish….
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Ric said
It’s so backasswards that these unproven draft picks are immediately making more money than THE #1 RB THE PREVIOUS YEAR..or the #1 WR..in many cases more than the #1 qb.
This is a big reason we cannot dig ourselves out of the hole. Same with Detroit. Too many super high paid misfires.
The worse team should be able to name their order in the draft, especially if it costs high dollars for #1 pic.
I think we will start seeing teams go under in the near future unless saleries are redone and brought back to earth. Of course if we lost 6 teams we would be treated to some much better football.
Al would get good players by default!
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Despite Al, Snyder, and Jones …
I still can’t get past the dudes with the headsets on. I think it just gives them a pass to say they coach for those type of owners. Prime example is Gruden. Gruden won his way, and no one can dispute that. So what Al was “in his ear”. Gruden says he dealt with it by listening to the owner and them diagraming why that wouldn’t work, and then Al would be fine with it.
Cable, Turner, Callahan, Ryan, and these other guys who are puppets by character are more of a problem than Davis. I mean, if Cable calls go with the run 70% of the time, and we win, what is Al going to do, fire him? I’d like to see that happen. CABLE is the one who needs to let his nutz hang and just getg after it.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Was Gruden able to do what he wanted right away?
Or was he able to slowly work over Al to get what he wanted?
Singletary is gonna go places. It was obvious when he took over. And I agree he would not be able to work with Al.
But Cable seems to be the right fit and hopefully he will get more and more of what he wants from Al. That may be our best hope for the future.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
What Singletary did to Davis was no different than what Shell did to Porter.
Cable knocked the shyt outta Davis’ hand picked GM Hanson and Davis didn’t undermine the coach by letting the guy back in.
Gruden brought in Rich Gannon and the dink and dunk offense pretty much right from the beginning.
Cable ??? Well, we will see, but he simply looks like what he is – A guy with little experience at what he’s being asked to do.
You know, Garcia was right, and we can see it. It’s like Cable has put all his chips on Jamarcus Russell. When in fact the direction of the team should be Bush/McFadden/Fargas and the defense, with the 3rd youngest QB in the league and 2 rookie WRs coming along for the ride. I guess that would just be too easy!
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Kell, funny how sarcasm flies right over his head, isn’t it? Just imagine what this guy’s like in real life. He’s the kind of guy where everyone is hanging out, say at a bar, or maybe just on the train, whatever, bulls’tting about sports or whatever, and he just starts talking and then starts talking louder and then starts practically yelling, and everyone else within 100 feet is now looking over at him. Then he tries to calm down and pass it off as normal, but everyone is already a little freaked out. His face is red. I guarantee that’s how he is in real life. I’d bet anything.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
JHill, do you honestly believe that JaMarcus is Cable’s guy? You do realize Cable was an offensive line coach when Russell was drafted?
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
lol…Brien the genitial
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Kell’s kool with me, though (no pun). I don’t sign on to Beecham’s comments toward Kell. But Brien the genitial is some funny shyt .
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
MR,
If your asking if JRuss is really Al’s guy, then that again is stating the obvious.
But Cable has the headset on, plain and simple. He’s obviously trying to kiss Al’s ass with the playcalling, and that’s a shame. Al is not telling him what plays to call. Al would be satisfied with 2 or 3 vertical shots per game and a lot of Bo and Marcus, I mean DMac and Bush. If Cable called the game right, you would see DHB, Murphy, Miller, and Watkins with more single coverage. Pass when they expect run, create match up problems with DMac and Bush.
You see none of that.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
# jhill Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“But Cable has the headset on, plain and simple.”
……
Doesn’t mean anything, JHill.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
JHill, it’s obvious you’re prepared to blame Cable for how bad this team is. Since 2003, the Oakland Raiders are the worst team in the NFL overall. Cable was hired in 2007 as an offensive line coach. He was made head coach, with virtually no NFL coordinator experience, early in the ‘08 season. So let’s say Cable is at fault? Who was at fault before him for how bad we were? And who as at fault before that guy? And who was at fault before him? Get real. Al Davis doesn’t have to call the plays. The coaches know when they’re hired here that Al wants to stretch the field. Sure, Cable can do what he wants. You can go rob an old lady, too. But there’ll be consequences, it both instances. Snap out of your denial, JHill.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
LOL, ok MR.
So like you said, Cable can call his own play just like Kiffin did, Callahan, and Gruden did.
OR he can follow the what Turner and Shell did.
Consequences? If Cable runs Bush and McFadden just like he did in the SD game for 30 carries a game instead of calling vertical bombs out of the end zone, AL is going to do what?
It’s as simple as this, what would YOU do if you had the headset on?
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
J Hill (in serious denial) wrote:
“If Cable runs Bush and McFadden just like he did in the SD game for 30 carries a game instead of calling vertical bombs out of the end zone, AL is going to do what?”
Ask Lane Kiffin.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
test
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
listen it’s all al davis fault PERIOD !!!!!!!
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
# jhill Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“But Cable has the headset on, plain and simple.”
……
Doesn’t mean anything, JHill.
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Yeah Jhill, Tom Cable is probably listening to Kool and The Gang the whole time that NFL game is happening right in front of him.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
i know many know nothing but the west coast style off.,but 20 yd passes are not vertical bombs.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
LOL Lefty,
I see you’re on me lately. So the pass there DHB fell down, the pass out of the end zone was a 20 yd pass?
Yeah, ok!
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Coach cable – Call the plays that you know will be effective. Then turn around and raise your middle finger to Al up in the booth like Gruden did.
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Jerry is missing in action, no blog, no twitter update, no myspace update.
Is he in Houston?
Maybe Marshall roughed him up again.
I hope someone has called 911
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Looks like it be a wet one in Texas tomorrow. Or do they play indoors?
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
What ever happened to Norco? Is he in rehab?
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
new blog
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
No that would be pretty dam stupid. I’m saying as long as we have the NFL’s worst and least committed Qb in the NFl Im not going to concern myself with a RB fumbling.
# RaiderDogg Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Fargas had fumble problems when he was young, many RB’s have the problem. I cant think of any RB that didnt correct a fumbling problem eventually. If or when Russell turns into half a Qb DMAC’s fumble problems will be long gone. If not it, it doesn’t really matter who fumbles if your Qb is the worst in the NFL.
BFD
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So are you saying that if a better QB was handing the ball off to DMac that he wouldn’t be fumbling the ball as much?
JaMarcus wasn’t DMac’s qb in college yet he had 23 fumbles in 3 years.
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
The fact that anyone is even talking about Garthia tells us all we need to know about how bad Russell is.
October 12th, 2009 at 12:23 am
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