NFP: Miller cut, L.Walker tries out
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.
No response from the Raiders as yet, but the National Football Post reported the club had cut return specialist/cornerback Justin Miller and had former Raiders tackle Langston Walker in for a tryout.
Miller failed to get outside the 20-yard line on his first three returns against Houston. He replaced Louis Rankin, who was cut and signed to the practice squad of the Seattle Seahawks. Nick Miller, the undrafted free agent who won the job in training camp, is still recovering from a broken bone in his shin.
Walker was a former starting right tackle for the Raiders, but signed a five-year, $25 million deal with the Bills to be their left tackle. He was cut Sept. 8.
The Raiders lost starting right tackle Cornell Green from two to four weeks with a calf injury.
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October 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
getting more ridiculous day by day
October 6th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Sign Walker, if Barnes can’t play RT.
Fire Cable!
Fire Marshall!
Fire the WRs coach!
October 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
This is like 3 straight weeks that our KR barely gets 20 yds and gets cut/demoted, yet JaMarcus can’t get 10 yards and gets a vote of confidence. WTF?
October 6th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Justin Miller can’t feel too bad. I mean I guess it is kinda cool that you can be at home on the computer like us one week, Go practice and start a game on Sunday, then be back on the computer two days later.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
BTW Jerry,
L Walker signed with the Bills to be their Right Tackle. Peters was their Left Tackle before they traded him to the Eagles!
October 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Hope Langston makes the team. Miller was cut before the tryout. If Langston doesn’t make the team, Herrera is gonna have to run outside and yank Justin out the cab and tell him “just jivin dude just jivin.”
October 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
The SportingNews NFL Camp preview has a part where they ask a player from each team some things good/bad/weird about camp. Back when Langston played for us the first time I believe it was Adam Treu who said the weirdest meal he ever saw was Walker ate sausage links in his cereal.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Man this is getting stupid as hell!! I need a transfusion of my silver and black blood. If this is true-who the hell is gonna run back kicks-lord knows we get like 10 kick off returns a game!!
October 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
If we renting guys for KR they should give Skyler Green a call. He’s a KR specialist who was a final cut of the Saints. Same size and maybe slightly faster than Nick Miller.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
# Raider O Says:
October 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
BTW Jerry,
L Walker signed with the Bills to be their Right Tackle. Peters was their Left Tackle before they traded him to the Eagles!
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Actually Jerry is right about this O. Walker was going to be moved over to LT but they opted to go with Demetrius Bell and Jonathan Scott at LT making Walker and his fat, Uh, salary expendable.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
that means they intend to sign walker then. You dont cut someone unless you plan on signing someone else. After seeing Pears get his a$$ kicked, I am all for Walker now. I never liked the guy but he cant be as bad as Green or Pears.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Chris Henry (the RB) could be a good pickup right now. Let’s face it, McFadden is gone at least a month. Henry can return kicks and has much more upside than a Justin Fargas. He also has Oakland area ties and ran a blistering time at the combine a couple of years ago.
Worth a look, IMO.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
wow, so we gonna go balls out this season with 3 CB now that we released Miller and placed Bowie on IR? God help us if Nnamdi, C.Johnson, or Routt get hurt, we be more screwed then ever, lol.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
The problem with Miller is that he couldn’t play DB at all and with all our injuries we can’t afford to carry a guy who’s a KR only.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Pears got demolished vs. Houston. Could never understand why people in here were so high on the guy. Denver’s o-line was terrible when he started for them. Green is a guaranteed penalty per game or more, but at least he’s a decent blocker.
Cable has to get Barnes in there at RT already. What’s the hold up. Unless he’s injured, he should be able to play RT. This isn’t like going from being a heart surgeon to a neurosurgeon. It’s moving 10 feet down the freaking o-line from the position you’ve played for years and basically doing the exact same crap. Come on guys. Grow up.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Chris,
I think Barnes is like Bush in that they want to stay in their position so that they make more money. RT and LT isnt that big of a change and we see them internchange before with other teams. Usuually you start on RT and migrate to LT at some point. Pure BS. Barnes should volunteer to play there asap. We could use him.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
The offense is stale & the defense has no discipline!
Last year, Russell threw pretty well on the run. This year no roll-outs, just straight drop backs. Now DE’s can just run up field & meet him at the back of the pocket. No quick hitch or, slip screens early in the game to get DHB involved. Unless he has absolutely nothing left, you can’t tell me Javon Walker couldn’t at least help the WR situation. The loss of Gallery has now made the entire O-line suspect because of position changes.
The defense? Again, NO BLITZS FROM THE D-COORD! D-line over-runs gaps, LB’s take bad angles, DB’s out of position or confused about where the help is coming from and bad tackling by all…
WTF?? What do you guys practice all week long!!!
October 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Walker is a good pick up. He really has played well at RT in the past altho he is NOT a system fit. Oh well. He has played here in the past, and played at Cal, so he has local ties. And we can probably snag him on the cheap, something Big Al loves.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Indianna,
Routt sucks. Period. He is a liability when he is in there as the nickel. Frankly, I preferred Mitchell, Huff, Hiram and Branch over Routt any day. Any one of those safeties can cover better than Routt.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Routt is a liability when he gets off the bus…and if you’re telling me Langston Walker is somehow an answer, I’ll just shoot myself now!!
If he’s not a system fit…Hello??? (Herm Edwards) Why are we picking him up?? Oh yeah I forgot, it seems we just do chyt for the hell of it…
October 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I agree with you about Barnes’ motives Alisgod (though I don’t think that was the case with Bush playing FB, which is a radically different position from HB).
However, I think at this point it’s crystal clear that Mario is the LT. Barnes’ options are now either: ride the bench or step in at RT. I’ve got to believe the latter will help his career far more.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
I will admit that i wanted to get Jamarcus and now that he is here and fatter I say he is too big to be a qb, during the pre season when garcia, fry and the other guy would get in the rb got the ball faster and able to hit the holes sooner, it just seems like the plays take forever to develope when russel is in.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
It looks to me like the Raiders have gone back to their traditional 7 step, straight drop back, look deep passing game, with 1 or 2 receivers running patterns at a time.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Anyone catch NFL Playbook tonight?
Mike Mayock — who has been no JaMarcus apologist in the past — flat-out said what Cable and I (among a very few others on this blog) have been saying since Sunday. Namely, the receivers absolutely killed JaMarcus in this game and no way does JaMarcus deserve the blame for this one.
They showed a lowlight reel of receivers dropping passes that hit them right in the chest. There were several, and I know for a fact there were several more in that game which weren’t even included in that reel.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
BTW,
On “NFL Playbook,” they also noted on the Texans’ free kick return for a TD that they blatantly had a wedge set up on that return that wasn’t flagged. That’s in addition to the Cushing punch to the head of JaMarcus that went unflagged. And in addition to the Cushing helmet-to-helmet blow on a defenseless receiver (Zach Miller) that went uncalled. And in addition to about 5 blocks in the back throughout the game that went uncalled. And in addition to the 15-yard-penalty on CJ’s interception celebration that was called. And in addition to the head ref overruling the official right in front of the play on Murphy’s catch about 30 seconds after the play was over and then incredibly upholding the embarrassingly bad call after an instant replay review. And in addition to several other fishy calls and non-calls in that game. I could go on and on and on, but I think the point is clear.
No, you can’t really blame a 29-6 loss entirely on the refs, but the officiating was an embarrassment to the league in that game and the refs basically spit in the face of the Raiders on Sunday.
If I was Al, I’d hire someone independent of the organization with clout and credibility to review these game tapes each week and publicize each and every call like these that are called one way against the Raiders and another way for every other team. This problem is not going away. Would the league be seriously pissed about a move like that? Sure. But maybe these refs would finally have to start calling a fair game if there were more light shed on this crap.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Chris in NY Says:
October 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Anyone catch NFL Playbook tonight?
Mike Mayock — who has been no JaMarcus apologist in the past — flat-out said what Cable and I (among a very few others on this blog) have been saying since Sunday. Namely, the receivers absolutely killed JaMarcus in this game and no way does JaMarcus deserve the blame for this one.
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The problem is that he does deserve the blame for the previous two games. Yeah he needs receiver help real bad, but he also needs to dedicate himself to this game better.
The calls sucked, but they didn’t lose the game. Every game in every sport has calls that suck. Good teams win anyway.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
El Gato,
“Good teams” like the Steelers and Patriots are also the ones benefitting from gift-wrapped calls that help them win games.
No other team is in the same league as far as getting screwed by the refs week in and week out in the NFL as the Raiders. No team in any professional sport anywhere is. It’s not even close.
Everyone in here knows about the Immaculate Reception and Tuck Rule and all the other famous incidents of the Raiders getting BLATANTLY robbed by the officials. But it’s the stuff like the illegal wedge on a kickoff return, non-calls that should have kept drives alive and terrible calls like the Murphy non-catch catch that have a major factor in deciding games each and every week.
I hear what you’re saying and have to blame the numerous missed tackles and dropped passes and awful o-line play for the loss too, but when the team you’re playing against has only 1 5-yard penalty called on it all game when there really should’ve been about 10 penalties called, it’s a major factor in a game too.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Look, I was one of the guys that saw what Russell did in college and REALLY hope that we drafted the guy. I was irritated at the way that Kiffin approached him with “kid gloves”. JR has all the potential in the world, but if he won’t put the work in, he will end up a bust.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Gato Negro Jawalrus is a bust, I find it funny on how jabustus apologist always blame the receivers for his inaccuracy , granted he has 2 rookie WR starting, but just admit it he’s a Bust , guy has no Heart, no footwork, he’s lazy, honestly bro he does not belong in an NFL field unless he’s a water boy. The thing that I find odd if this pathetic organization is so dedicated to grooming him then why don’t they teach him a lesson and sit him for a game or two, maybe if they start Gradowski then Jawalrus will wake up, also if the receivers are a problem, which they are to a point, then why bot start Javon Walker or sign a free agent veteran? I think Jerry Porter is looking for work, let’s face it and be real the season is over might as well make this train wreck worser or better, it’s just an embarrasment by fat the Raiders are the worst sport organization in all major sports, thank god for the Dosgers being in the playoffs at least I got baseball to cheer about, I feel all of you guys in the nation Frustration is a Bit.h, but until we all Stand as 1 and boycott this wreck then nothing will change , it’s just Sad really I don’t see no light it will be another 5 years until this team is mediocre.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:20 am
I fart in Al Davis’s general direction. Goodnight. Do not bother responding.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Now just think: If we’d drafted Eugene Monroe with the 7th pick, he’d be at RT, Mario would be at LT, and we’d just have the interior to worry about…
October 7th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Worst organization in sports? That’s a bit of a stretch. There’s talent on this football team, the issues are in leadership, coaching and schemes. We know how much Al controls the front office (Hererra & Trask, etc..), is he actually calling plays on Sunday?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:39 am
Here’s a wacky spin.
I am almost relieved to hear the JaMarcus has been blowing off meetings and is getting fined for being a tub of lard.
Let’s assume he dedicates himself. Maybe there is a chance for a turnaround if he does what he’s supposed to do?
His teammates need to punish him.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:41 am
“If I was Al, I’d hire someone independent of the organization with clout and credibility to review these game tapes each week and publicize each and every call like these that are called one way against the Raiders and another way for every other team. This problem is not going away. Would the league be seriously pissed about a move like that? Sure. But maybe these refs would finally have to start calling a fair game if there were more light shed on this crap.”
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The after that, If I was Al hire a four team consultant of former GMs Ron Wolf, past coaches Gruden, Vermeil, Bill Parcells and John Madden and figure a way to
a. revamp scouting
b. get a legitmate GM and scout (start with Mike Mayock or Gary Horton)
c. trade out of the top ten and stockpile picks like most low level teams do so you arent stuck with Erik Pears, no depth on the OL or DL or people that cant return kicks…hit the draft and get a guy like Cushing that can actually hit people.
October 7th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Morning NATION!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 5:38 am
No training camp little to no practice missing 4+ games Rookie, will Crabtree finish with more rec,yrd,td than DHB ?
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Cutting the kick returner doesn’t help much when it’s the lack of blocking that’s keeping him (and the rest of the guys that have tried the position so far this year) from making any headway. Justin Miller was just fine last year when the kick return team was actually playing football.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Chris in NY… Just wanted to say that I’ve been reading your posts for awhile now, and thank God somebody in here understands what’s going on. Good on ya.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:09 am
38. Amen.
Its ill informed people who over simplify and gloss over REAL issues that allow them to continue.
Raiders are getting screwed by BS refs and later by Pereria when they do their cover up “strictly according to the letter of the rules” white wash.
Yes, it may be “striclty according” but why is it they only adhere to it when it suits them?
Double standard BS.
The NFL is the new Pro Wrestling
October 7th, 2009 at 6:10 am
How about picking up a center?
October 7th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Crab signs. So what…
October 7th, 2009 at 6:11 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,
October 7th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Braylon Edwards escapes to the Jets!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 6:14 am
OVER…OVER…WHO SAY’S IT’S OVER,IT’S NOT OVER TILL WE SAY IT’S OVER, WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMAN’S BOMB’D PEAR HARBER ?
October 7th, 2009 at 6:20 am
How about Marc Tausher instead of Langs TON?
October 7th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Geez, cutting Miller? Who would have saw that coming?
Langston back in Black…oh well, do we really have any more options? So Crabtree signs…so FN what? Don’t give a hoot about what they do on that side of the Bay. Don’t go there, don’t really care to go there…I’ll save my $4 toll for a 40oz…
October 7th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Sign Walker and let him block FGs.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:30 am
This is like 3 straight weeks that our KR barely gets 20 yds and gets cut/demoted, yet JaMarcus can’t get 10 yards and gets a vote of confidence.
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well said 504!
October 7th, 2009 at 6:35 am
I am almost relieved to hear the JaMarcus has been blowing off meetings and is getting fined for being a tub of lard.
Let’s assume he dedicates himself. Maybe there is a chance for a turnaround if he does what he’s supposed to do?
His teammates need to punish him.
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good call copen. If i’m Greg Ellis or Richard Seymour i’m taking this kid out back and making him a punching bag. Michael Bush & Zach Miller should also join the fun. then Shane & Seabass.
then say “if you have another game like your last 4 Tom Cable will be doing the punching!”
October 7th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Yeah!!!!! Walker is back thank God the Bills cut him so he could come back and play for us. We are about to get the running game going now. We only get the best of the best on our o-line!
October 7th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Chris in NY and Nnamdi21, we seem to think a lot alike. I’d like to invite you to join Our Raider Nation at diehardraiderfans.multiply.com We just migrated there when MSN shut down its “groups” last year, and are rebuilding membership. This is our 2nd migration, Yahoo lost our club years back. But I think you guys will like it there.
We don’t give the refs a pass on their BS either.
I want a level playing field. If Chris Johnson’s 5-second “celebration” on a non-TD was worth a penalty (and the rule only applies to TD’s), then the 30-second dance routines by the Texans should have been flagged. Same rules for both teams.
It doesn’t seem to work that way, and that is why I say BLIND ZEBRAS SUCK!
October 7th, 2009 at 6:41 am
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October 7th, 2009 at 6:43 am
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October 7th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Crabtree signed his contract based on the success he saw they were having. It is hard to negotiate when a team is doing well. That is why you can take the Raiders to the bank any day of the week.
The Raiders suck!
October 7th, 2009 at 6:57 am
It is going to be such a trip watching the Raiders get smashed by the Giants then the following week the Saints are going to punish NY and show us how its done. Now that is a team you want to pay to watch. Breese can nickle and dime you to death than go vertical. When I watch this team this is how I thought the Raiders would be down the road. With oru stable of running backs and tall WRs that couls stretch the field. Boy was I wrong!
October 7th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Look for Bush to show why he should be the starter this week but they will put McFumbles and Fart-gas back in there.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:01 am
With oru stable of running backs and tall WRs that couls stretch the field. Boy was I wrong!
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CJ Legend 34 : gotta have a good QB to accomplish that feat
unfortunately, Russell is what we thought he was…
October 7th, 2009 at 7:08 am
McFumbles and Fart-gas
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LOL. very nice!
October 7th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Exactly what this team needed (besides Southwick)! A really fat spleenless guy who can block field goals!
October 7th, 2009 at 7:11 am
who will return kicks now? Higgins?
McFadden & Nick Miller are hurt.
Rankin & Justin Miller were cut.
Holland didn’t impress.
Let’s hope they don’t throw Hiram Eugene & Javon Walker back in the mix!
October 7th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Morning nation. 4 the record i wanted mack. That said f crabgrass. Lets go dhb
October 7th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Crabtree should be healthy now, but who knows about his conditioning?
October 7th, 2009 at 7:25 am
408 why would we want a good C that would be smart. If Ron Brown can return kick offs then give DHB a shot who knows kid might break one and it will get him going at wr, need all the big plays we can get.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:28 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
Look for Bush to show why he should be the starter this week but they will put McFumbles and Fart-gas back in there.
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That was Bush’ reward for saving Cable’s job last year in the last game of the season.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Crabtree came to his senses finally? Probably only cost him a million or two.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Punch Lebron James’ friend, get traded within hours lol…I think we know who has the power in Cleveland.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Braylon Edwards escapes to the Jets
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thanks for the info N21.
The Jets sent wide receiver Chansi Stuckey, linebacker Jason Trusnik and undisclosed draft choices to the Browns for Braylon Edwards
wow. we could have traded Javon Walker and Jon Alston for him!
October 7th, 2009 at 7:33 am
see ya gents. work to do
October 7th, 2009 at 7:35 am
The Giants have the NFL’s #1 defense (yds/game). The Raidehs have the NFL’s #32 ranked offense (yds/game). I’ll bet our O will break a couple of records this sunday: most 3 & outs by a team in a game, least time of possesion by a team in a game, negative offensive yardage by a team in a game, fattest QB by a team in a game, etc…
October 7th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Morning, Nation.
At this point, how could we not kick Langston’s tires?
Seems our strengths from last year have been completely ignored and lost.
Special teams? Yuck.
Coverage awful, return game not much better.
ZBS opening up holes for our three solid backs?
Not anymore.
We won’t be able to run until the offensive offensive line blocks someone and we can complete some passes.
DHB will probably not return kicks. Outside of Tim Brown, seems to me the Raiders like to have a pure PR/KR guy who occasionally plays his position (DB, WR, etc.) and I doubt that they would risk DHB getting hammered by the coverage team.
We need to steal some games.
It’s obvious the refs will give us no love, that was made clear in front of the whole world on MNF and more clear Sunday.
We have to beat teams decisively, as we have no leeway.
That being said, it’s probably going to be a very long season. Hopefully the young guns learn the game rather than let it get into their heads.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:44 am
its a lock we’ll break the consecutive qts without an offensive TD record, a lock.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:45 am
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October 7th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Los Raiders,
I think we went about 15 quarters last year. I don’t think it will be as bad this year, at least I hope not.
We have to get creative on offense. Let’s take this thing back to college. Shotgun, spread, option, wildcat, reverse, end around, short patterns, RUN THE BALL.
Bush is going to get a second audition to be a starter in this league I think. Even if Fargas gets carries, Bush must shine for this to be respectable and STU must get cleaned up like yesterday.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:59 am
[...] to the Contra Costa Times, Walker had a tryout with the Oakland Raiders Tuesday. Walker spent his first five NFL seasons [...]
October 7th, 2009 at 8:02 am
NMI, that was a quote from Bluto Blutarsky in the movie Animal House. Still funny after all these years.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Ah, Dirtylot, it was the japaneese who bombed us and where the hell is “Pear Harbor”? Miss school that day?
October 7th, 2009 at 8:09 am
The team has no identity right now.
Unable to complete passes downfield, unable to get the ball to the TE, unable to run the ball because of the passing game woes, no play action because of the running game woes.
I hope a healthy dose of Mike Bush energizes this team and convinces Cable this guy should be getting the ball 25+ times a game.
He is the best back on the team and will probably only serve to make Fargas better.
We must complete passes, so nothing that our young offense is stuggling with. High percentage, Tommy, let’s get a rhythm out there.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Who wants to make a wager?
I’ll bet $100.. That if Crabtree plays by the 49ers 8th or 9th game, his statistics will triple that of Heyward-Bey. Triple the catches, triple the yrds, and triple the touchdowns.
If he plays..I’m not sure what kind of shape he is in or whether Singletary is going to punish him for showing up in October.
But if he sees the field..I def will make that bet
October 7th, 2009 at 8:32 am
No More Infield or Trolls Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Ah, Dirtylot, it was the japaneese who bombed us and where the hell is “Pear Harbor”? Miss school that day?
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Dude? are you serious?
You never saw “Animal House”?
October 7th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Sign Jeff Garcia
LT Henderson
LG Pears
C Morris
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
October 7th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Hey Al!
When I said I wanted Walker to play,
I meant Javon, not Langston.
Must be the dementia kicking in…
Hell, bring back Langston, the Wiz,Big Linc, anyone who can block…
October 7th, 2009 at 8:44 am
What’s up nation!!!, another day in paradise. Man why couldn’t we get Braylon Edwards? I know im in lala land somewhere, I hope Langston can come in and play well……JERRY WHAT’S THE WORD ON JAVON? ARE ARE GONNA PLAY HIM AT ALL THIS YEAR OR WHAT?
October 7th, 2009 at 8:44 am
What offensive line?!
Chris Morris “won” the starting center job and he’s a 3rd string guard center hybrid.
Gallery’s out, Henderson can pass block ,but plays too high in the run, Carlisle is done for, Green is one of the worst starting right tackles in the League.
Lets see…
Henderson in his 1st year as starter.
Morris at RG for Gallery.
Satele by default at center
Carlisle trying to give a damb.
and Pears out at RT.
Yeah! Lets steam roll those Super Bowl champs!
I hope we do “stun” the Giants, but the odds are gain it
October 7th, 2009 at 8:59 am
yawn!!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 8:59 am
I’m posting too fast. I guess my yawn did it.
From Jason Cole:
Bottom five
28. Oakland Raiders: Dear JaMarcus Russell, you’re wasting what could be a great career.
Oakland rookie wide receiver Louis Murphy, a fourth-round pick, may end up being better than first-round teammate Darrius Heyward-Bey. Through four games, Murphy has 11 catches for 172 yards and a touchdown. Not great, but very good for a fourth-rounder. In addition, Murphy has had two potential catches overturned by review: a TD pass in the opener and a long catch in the loss to Houston on Sunday. As for Heyward-Bey, he has two catches for 36 yards. Brutal.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Until Gallery gets back:
LT – Henderson
LG – Morris
C – Satele
RG – Carlisle
RT – Barnes (if he’s not healthy, McQuistan)
I also wouldn’t mind McQuistan at LG.
No way should Pears be on the field.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Being a Raider fan for years, just like all of us, I almost have this weird feeling the Raiders will either win or be very competitive this weekend. They will lure us back-in, give us hope, only to squash us when they get blown out at home the next week against the Eagles.
But I have a weird feeling we can compete in this game, and play a lot closer than most obviously think.
The Giants are a much better road team than home team, Eli can be shaky and is injured, the Giants will no doubt take us very lightly, we have better kickers, and we should play with nothing to lose and loose. We seem to do better against big-bruising RB’s than the quick scat-back guys (I bet Bradshaw is more effective than Jacobs this Sunday), and our offense will improve dramatically with D-Mac out of the game and real NFL RB’s (Bush and Fargas) in there.
I have hope. At least for now.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:04 am
angelodebo Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Who wants to make a wager?
I’ll bet $100.. That if Crabtree plays by the 49ers 8th or 9th game, his statistics will triple that of Heyward-Bey. Triple the catches, triple the yrds, and triple the touchdowns.
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Hmmmmm……..never one to pass up a wager. I won’t touch the TD’s part of it, but if he plays starting week 9 (not earlier), I will take the bet of triple his yards and catches.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:11 am
LISTEN UP JAMARCUS!!!!
From Yahoo Sports:
“That’s all the hard work that we did in the summer time, while no one is around,” Clausen said of the touchdown pass. “To be great, that’s the little things you have to do.”
October 7th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I don’t really understand the big difference for Barnes playing RT. I know their is alignment stuff that will be a little akward, but especially in run-blocking he just needs to drive the guy lined up in front of him. Blitz pickup is blitz pickup, wherever you are.
I just don’t see it being such a big obstacle that he can’t do it. He couldn’t be any worse than Green or Pears.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Any word if they signed Langston Walker? If he is in shape he is a better option at RT than Pears or Barnes.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:28 am
No way would I want “Jimmy”. I like the kid at UW or at Alabama.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Clause SUCKS!!Avoided going to USC because he did not want competition!! SORRY!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:31 am
morning all.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Raider-DEE Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Clause SUCKS!!Avoided going to USC because he did not want competition!! SORRY!!!
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Totally missed the point! Don’t want or like Claussen,
just the work ethic. That’s the point!!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am
El Gato Negro………Giants #1 total D
#19 against the run
#1 against the pass
October 7th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Morning nation.
So who knows what the run defense stats on NYG are?
October 7th, 2009 at 9:40 am
# The Big Banana Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 9:42 am
When Barnes became healthy, I don’t understand why Cable didn’t start “training” him on the right side right away?
If I’m not mistaken, he said it was because it would take too long and that he would have preferred to do it during training camp. Well, now look! You have to do it anyway. And you’ve have lost precious time that could have been used to get him acclimated.
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Right.
And we didn’t need to work on our run game in training camp, either because we already knew how to run the ball.
Everything is becoming clearer by the moment.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:42 am
When Barnes became healthy, I don’t understand why Cable didn’t start “training” him on the right side right away?
If I’m not mistaken, he said it was because it would take too long and that he would have preferred to do it during training camp. Well, now look! You have to do it anyway. And you’ve have lost precious time that could have been used to get him acclimated.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I see the clock is still perfect as ever.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Everyone discussing what Crab will do vs. DHB…there are at least 5-7 other rookie WRs that have at least tripled and will end up tripling his stats. Including Massaquoi for the equally crappy Browns who quadrupled DHB’s stats in one game.
The real point being, everyone wants to blame the rookie WRs, but look around the league and there are those that are performing (Britt, Knox, Massaquoi, Wallace, Harvin even Louis).
Obvioulsy, it’s Al or Cable’s fault that we are starting the 2 rookies..if that’s the problem activate and start Javon, put JLH or Watkins in the starting lineup, I would guess any of them would have two catches through 4 games (they won’t do it, b/c it’s now the standard JaBusta defense that we are starting the 2 rooks). The other common denominator of the productive rookies? Look at their QBs (it’s sad that even Derek Anderson is an upgrade over ours) but statistically JaBusta is the worst in the league.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:47 am
The first game of NFL I saw was superbowl XVIII and its been down hill from there. That said, there is so much wrong with this team its hard to know where to start!
Cable’s point about the dropped passes is fine but I reckon the WRs were surprised the damn ball was on target. They were probably ready to make an adjustment on the usually wayaward passes.
Were going nowhere and it’ll continue till there’s changes from top to bottom. And I mean the very top.
“Just win, baby”.
That’ll be the day.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Couldn’t give a crap about Crabtree.Didn’t want him in the draft.I wanted Raji or an OT.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I hope everyone is ready for Crabtree to start making some plays in 4-5 weeks and the “point and laugh” at the Raiders in the national media to begin.
I obviously am rooting for Crabs to fail miserably, but him being much better than DHB seems about right to continue the script.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Me thinks the negative publicity regarding Crabtree wont end with his signing. Watch this space.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:57 am
This is the only Crabtree I want to talk about:
http://vaiden.net/crabtree.jpg
October 7th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Braveheart…….that was the first game that I saw live.Can’t remember much.Jenson blocking and then scoring is as clear as day though.I think that’s because CH4 never used to show punts !
October 7th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Agreed, how much better would we be with Eugene Monroe? We would have bookend tackles for the next 5-8 years and RT has been an issue since??? Hindsight is always 20-20 except when you reach in Rd 1 AND 2, you’d better be right.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Neilb, Thats right! Channel 4 used to show ‘dodgy’ films late at night and that’s what I was looking for when I discovered the NFL.
Loved the Raiders ever since but the way things are now I shoulda stuck to porn!
October 7th, 2009 at 10:04 am
109.. lol
October 7th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Braveheart……You couldn’t beat it could you ? A one hour highlight show of games played a week ago with John Smith and Nicky ( I pick Seattle to win the Superbowl ) Horne……Happy days !!
October 7th, 2009 at 10:15 am
I think that you are all reading this news the wrong way.
Langston was signed to audition for the KR position. They figure that with no blocking, at least he has a chance of surviving the hits.
And to shore up the RT position, isn’t it clear? JaMarcus has been fattening up and missing the QB meetings as he’s prepping for a move to RT. He’s already shown us that he’s a better downfield blocker than passer.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:26 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 9:42 am
When Barnes became healthy, I don’t understand why Cable didn’t start “training” him on the right side right away?
If I’m not mistaken, he said it was because it would take too long and that he would have preferred to do it during training camp. Well, now look! You have to do it anyway. And you’ve have lost precious time that could have been used to get him acclimated.
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The Buffoon really messed this one up. He decided to dink around with Barnes in training camp playing him at LT when everyone on the planet except him knew Henderson was the starting LT, which resulted in Barnes being in on a play at LT that ended up breaking his leg and ending pretty much all discussion of him playing RT for the majority of this season.
The Buffoon strikes again. Love him as an o-line coach, but as a HC and talent evaluator he is an idiot. Kwame Harris? Are you serious?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:28 am
The Real MaddenRaider
Nice Monty Python reference!
October 7th, 2009 at 10:32 am
So, it looks like the spread is 15.5
Should I lay money on the Giants to cover?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:32 am
It’s really bad.
On a recent trip back from overseas at SFO.
Imigration Officer: Have you anything to declare?
Me: Nope
Imigration Officer: What about your Jersey?
Imigration Officer to her Collegue: Let him go, Raider fan been through enough.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Judge: is that the over under on total offensive yards allowed by the Giants?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:35 am
angelodebo Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Who wants to make a wager?
I’ll bet $100.. That if Crabtree plays by the 49ers 8th or 9th game, his statistics will triple that of Heyward-Bey. Triple the catches, triple the yrds, and triple the touchdowns.
If he plays..I’m not sure what kind of shape he is in or whether Singletary is going to punish him for showing up in October.
But if he sees the field..I def will make that bet
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No one will take that bet, because it’s a sucker bet.
Yep, Raider Rummies..YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE HAS COME TRUE..the guy MOST of you guaranteed wouldn’t sign, signed.
And now? After 4 games? With Bey looking like total crap? Already being labeled close to a bust?
HOW MANY NOW WANT TO RUN THE ‘omg..we can’t have a Crabtree in our locker room…oh lordy me.. he’ll just disrupt the wonderful ambiance we have as a well oiled, jelled team.”
No one knows how Crab will do.
But one thing he will do..IS NOT LOOK LIKE TOTAL CRAP, LIKE BEY, lol.
Now the comparisons begin.
Wow..lofty heights to attain to do better than Bey.
2 catches
36 yards..that’s .5 catches a game, and 9 yds per game average.
My money is on Crabtree
October 7th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Rockstar…
just been over to nfl.com.Nothing.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:43 am
If DHB ends up with a piddly 17 catches for 210 yards, that would mean Crabs would have to have 51 catches for 630 yards to triple it.
I am all over that bet, just not the TD’s part of it. We don’t score TD’s.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:47 am
has Langston been officially signed yet?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I’m out…got to get ready for work.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:53 am
What all of you Dolts who call for Cable or Marshall or anyone to fired do not get is that there have been two people in charge who are solely responsible for what goes on in ALameda. Two People: Al Davis & Amy Trask. It is sad. But why do you really expect ANYTHING to change? Anything! The drafting of Jam Rus has set the team back for 7 years. You want proof? It’s on the field every Sunday. If the last 6 years haven’t shown you anything then you are all blind as Stevie Wonder.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am
dang. the Jets defense was good in the first 4 games…
now they get Calvin Pace back from suspension, who had 80 tackles, 7 sacks and 5 forced fumbles last year
LOOK OUT!
I got Jerricho Cotchery in one of my fantasy football leagues. I wonder if he’ll have better stats with Braylon Edwards opposite him or worse now that Mark Sanchez has another talented WR option???
October 7th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Look how the 49ers handled their holdout situation. They do the best thing. They win, forcing the holdout’s hand. They don’t let it become a distraction. They don’t lose then look to scapegoat the holdout. They just plan their season as if he’s not even there, and let him decide when he’s ready to sign. As the 49ers started to win, Crabtree no longer had a choice. I’m not a 49er fan, I am a Raider fan. But you have to admire the way that organization handled the Crabtree situation. Key: Not letting it become a distraction, playing good football, forcing his hand. Night and day from the other side of the bay…
October 7th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Two words for you The Real MaddenRaider, AL DAVIS…the raider are run by him that’s why every other organization in the league gets through bumps in the road they don’t have al davis running things.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:01 am
the only way DHB will be a good receiver is if he played for someone else everyone sucks on the raiders but plays better somewhere else
October 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am
The 49ers don’t let their first round pick holding out become a distraction, yet the Raiders cause distractions just because of who is announcing their games.
Old man Al is in a free-fall right now. Make it stop someone, please!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I’m glad the Raiders didn’t draft Crabnuts.
Screw Crabnuts.
I think DHB will be a better receiver in this league and only time can prove that.
Screw the the media & the rest of the NFL if they want to take shots at us. Easy to take shots 4 weeks into a guys career. It’s absolutely hilarious in today’s “electronic” world, how everyone wants instant gratification.
15 years ago, absolutely nothing would be expected of a rookie receiver.
And what J-Russ has done after 24 starts in the NFL would be standard QB growing pains.
But people are stupid these days. That’s just the way it is our BSPN worls.
Do you know what Jerry Rice was known for his rookie year? That’s right – dropping balls.
Have some patience people.
And let’s wait a year or two before we make any judgment on either Crabnuts or DHB.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am
James Jett: UNDRAFTED rookie stats:
33 receptions, 771 yards, 3 TD’s, 23 yards/reception
Cracks me up how people always laugh about Al and James Jett.
The Raiders got more mileage out of James Jett than just about any team has ever gotten out of an UNDRAFTED player.
And those ROOKIE stats above by an UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT are most likely numbers that Michael Crabnuts wouldn’t have achieved this season even if he hadn’t held out.
So Richochet, you can love your crabnuts all you want, he hasn’t done anything to receive yours or anyone else’s respect.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:06 am
MAN CRABTREE WON’T EVEN GET OPEN WHEN HE PLAYS
October 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Awful calls this weekend I thought. I didn’t have audio, so I don’t know what the announcers were saying, but it seemed like we were getting screwed.
That Murphy catch would have moved the chains and helped weather the storm a little. Things went to hell right after that.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I could not agree with you more. We can hate all the teams we want but you have to give credit where credit is due. They are on the right road to change their franchise. They stuck to their guns and now they have spoiled rookie crawling back for a contract after he and his agent saw the teams progress.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Look how the 49ers handled their holdout situation. They do the best thing. They win, forcing the holdout’s hand. They don’t let it become a distraction. They don’t lose then look to scapegoat the holdout. They just plan their season as if he’s not even there, and let him decide when he’s ready to sign. As the 49ers started to win, Crabtree no longer had a choice. I’m not a 49er fan, I am a Raider fan. But you have to admire the way that organization handled the Crabtree situation. Key: Not letting it become a distraction, playing good football, forcing his hand. Night and day from the other side of the bay…
October 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Michael Crabtree reminds me of Brandon Marshall.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am
the only way DHB will be a good receiver is if he played for someone else everyone sucks on the raiders but plays better somewhere else
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Agreed. what would Jerry Rice be with Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Akili Smith, Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell throwing to him? a nobody …
Jerry Rice had Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia (2000) and Rich Gannon. ever wonder why another WR will never touch any of his records? thats why!
October 7th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I really think the only way DHB can be a good WR in this league is to create enough worth on the Raiders to get traded to another team. Oakland does not develop offensive talent, they destroy it!
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Silver-n-Smac Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I’m glad the Raiders didn’t draft Crabnuts.
Screw Crabnuts.
I think DHB will be a better receiver in this league and only time can prove that.
Screw the the media & the rest of the NFL if they want to take shots at us. Easy to take shots 4 weeks into a guys career. It’s absolutely hilarious in today’s “electronic” world, how everyone wants instant gratification.
15 years ago, absolutely nothing would be expected of a rookie receiver.
And what J-Russ has done after 24 starts in the NFL would be standard QB growing pains.
But people are stupid these days. That’s just the way it is our BSPN worls.
Do you know what Jerry Rice was known for his rookie year? That’s right – dropping balls.
Have some patience people.
And let’s wait a year or two before we make any judgment on either Crabnuts or DHB.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:09 am
NAH Crabs is in nooo way like brandon Marshall. Marshall came from a small school that cannot compete with the big schools UCF Marshall has pure speed 4.4 and pure physical attributes 6.4 220, unlike crabnuts who gets his stats boosted, they had him listed at 6′3 that guy is only 6′ and is slow, that’s why he didn’t want to run the 40 cause he would be EXPOSED!!!! Crabtree sucks!!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am
you know what screw Goodell for saying the raiders are on his radar due to the cable mess, how about the refs be on his radar for consistenly screwing the raiders and making bad calls
October 7th, 2009 at 11:12 am
James Jett: UNDRAFTED rookie stats:
33 receptions, 771 yards, 3 TD’s, 23 yards/reception
Cracks me up how people always laugh about Al and James Jett.
The Raiders got more mileage out of James Jett than just about any team has ever gotten out of an UNDRAFTED player.
And those ROOKIE stats above by an UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT are most likely numbers that Michael Crabnuts wouldn’t have achieved this season even if he hadn’t held out.
So Richochet, you can love your crabnuts all you want, he hasn’t done anything to receive yours or anyone else’s respect.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Yeah, I agree. I like D-Mac a lot and I think he will be great, but, they’re just not using him the right way.
I know it’s not popular, but, I’m still a huge fan of Fargas. I think he’s all heart and toughness and will get those 3-4 yards consistently behinds even halfway decent blocking.
And if they don’t want Fargas starting, then give me Bush. D-mac needs to be used as a change of pace.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:04 am
And let’s wait a year or two before we make any judgment on either Crabnuts or DHB.
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I don’t have any issue waiting to see on DHB…receiver positions take a few years.
I have a problem with McFumbles, though. 2nd year – too many fumbles, no yards, the grass tackles him….
October 7th, 2009 at 11:20 am
# big chill Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am
you know what screw Goodell for saying the raiders are on his radar due to the cable mess, how about the refs be on his radar for consistenly screwing the raiders and making bad calls
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Link to what Goodell said?
October 7th, 2009 at 11:25 am
FYI – Jerry posted a new blog. . .
October 7th, 2009 at 11:30 am
The biggest difference between Crabtree and DHB is the gap in maturity. The Raiders passed on Crabtree because of this fact. This is a kid that’s been told since high school, if not early, that he is elite and deserves holy treatment. Now he’s a early 20ish fool with more money than he knows what do with before earning a cent of it with effort.
Compared to DHB, he’s far more likely to be another JaMarcus, with no incentive to work hard and get himself banged up. He’s far more likely to be another Javon Walker, spraying $10K bottles of champagne on people in Vegas and getting in trouble off the field. He’s far more likely to have hit his peak in college due to lack of work ethic to improve and be another Mike Williams. He’s far more likely to pull a Randy Moss and not block on running plays or break hard from the line of scrimmage on pass plays not going his way. And he’s far more likely to end up suspended or benched for “conduct unbecoming of the team” due to his swollen head. He’s far more likely to burn bridges with his teammates and management, wear out his welcome, and find himself shuffled from team to team like T.O.
DHB has shown that he is humble and motivated to be the best that he can. His game will only improve. Clearly, he’s not where Crabtree was when he left college, but just as clearly he does have a better upside due to his physical attributes and his drive to improve. Only time will tell if he surpasses him.
This is not to say that Crabtree will be a bust nor that DHB will be a star. It’s just an assessment of what the full set of tangibles and intangibles are and how those could impact the long term value of each of these players. Given this and the state of a team that is in an early rebuilding phase, I’ll take a DHB over Crabtree any day.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Raider O Says:
October 6th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Sign Walker, if Barnes can’t play RT.
Fire Cable!
Fire Marshall!
Fire the WRs coach!
^^^^^^^FIRE AL DAVIS and JOHN HERRERA!!
They might as well sign Walker…he can play RG or RT.
They need depth badly…
October 7th, 2009 at 11:42 am
So DHB has 2 catches for 36 yds in 4 games…multiply that by 4, and he gets 8 rec. for 144 for the season…Larry Fitz had 14 rec for 143 yds in the first 3 games of his career, with Josh McCown slinging it…DHB has had enough opportunities. he falls down, looks the other way, drops the ball, or whatever. truth be told he sucks.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:42 am
vegas raider Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I hope everyone is ready for Crabtree to start making some plays in 4-5 weeks and the “point and laugh” at the Raiders in the national media to begin.
I obviously am rooting for Crabs to fail miserably, but him being much better than DHB seems about right to continue the script.
^^^^^^^Exactly! I was thinkin the same myself….
October 7th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I dont care about Crabtree. Crabtree being good, or bad does not change the fact that DHB sucks, nothing Randy Moss or Javon or Maclin or whoever does or doesn’t do changes the fact the DHB is a waste of a pick.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Fitzgerald also came into the league next to a 1000 yard WR named Anquin Boldin, on an offense that was already pretty decent. I think it’s fair to say that it was a more favorable situation than DHB’s first games, paired with another rookie WR and handcuffed by a QB that is apparently just now learning the game.
Either way, it’s not a fair comparison. DHB is a project. More akin to Jerry Porter or Ronald Curry. Of course that does say a lot about being picked way too high, so no arguing with him not being good value. But that’s not the same as a wasted pick. It’s not like he likely would’ve been available with the Raiders 2nd rounder, let alone as a UFA. Still, like the mass majority of Raiders fans, we would’ve prefered to see them move down to later in the 1st to grab him to get more picks and to sign him to a much more cap friendly deal.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
OH BOY!!!!!!
Langston Walker!!!!
Talk about putting a band-aid over a bullet hole….
October 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
[...] addition, former Raider Langston Walker was given a try out as well now that the team is minus Cornell Green for the next two [...]
October 7th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
It’s getting to be comical around here. I didn’t think I’d have to abandon my pre-season predictions so early.
I think I’ll go buy a Bret Favre jersey and enjoy watching some football this year.
Go Vikings!
October 7th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RealMaddenRaider, I have to say that I agree about the Crabtree comments.
For the Raiders to have similar success, it would mean having a rational
organization that wants to succeed. I too fart in Al Davis’s general direction.
On a lighter note, where is MistaBrowneye when you need to fart. My suggestion
is to have everyone chip in 50 cents or so and have the punk dipped in sh-t,
sent to the baddest hood in Browneye heaven (Cleveland). He could be a hood
ornament.