O-line gets extra attention
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 1:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Tom Cable was back in his element Wednesday.
It could have been two years ago, with Cable working as a relatively anonymous position coach, alternately yelling and cajoling, kicking some guys in the butt, patting others on the back. A live camera would have to bleep out 30 percent of his vocabulary.
Cable was working with the grunts on the offensive line, with Jim Michalczik watching closely and Cable doing most of the talking.
“Use your legs,” Cable barked to 6-foot-8 tackle Erik Pears. “You’re an athlete and you’re long.”
Within the Raiders’ most daunting challenge of the season at the Meadowlands Sunday is the game within a game, with a makeshift offensive line which was taken apart in Houston attempting to block the Giants’ front four, generally considered to be the best in the NFL.
With left guard Robert Gallery not at practice and unlikely to make the world’s fastest recovery from a broken left fibula, and Cornell Green out with a calf injury, the Raiders look as if they’ll line up as they did against Houston when Green went out.
Pears was going through drills as the right tackle, with Cooper Carlisle at right guard, Samson Satele at center, Chris Morris at left guard and Mario Henderson at left tackle.
“It can go two ways,” Henderson said. “We can go out there and embarrass ourselves or go out their and make a name for ourselves. It’s a good opportunity for us.”
Said Morris: “That’s how we will measure ourselves, going up against the best. If we can put up a good game like we plan on doing it will be good for us.”
As the Raiders ended warmups and drills, there was no sign of wide receiver Chaz Schilens, who is beginning his seventh week of missed practice with a broken fifth metatarsal on his left foot. It was originally described as a four to six week injury.
Also missing were Gallery and Nick Miller. Tight end Zach Miller, who has not been cleared to play yet following a concussion, was watching practice in a baseball hat.
Assuming Schilens won’t play, if Miller isn’t cleared, the two receivers with whom JaMarcus Russell had developed some sort of comfort level with would not be available.
More to come following practice after Cable’s press briefing . . .
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October 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
The oline better get some attention
October 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
what
October 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Maybe guys can protect and open up some lanes
October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Lord Knows the NY Giants defensive line and linebackers are going to give our oline plenty of attention.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
where in the hell is javon walker its mind boggling, why not play him? i say NYG 49 Raiders 10
October 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
good post True @ 1:26pm
are you related to Dakota? I see many similarities…
let’s find out. How about some BBQ Beaver for lunch?
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dude, I dont know Dakota and I am not related to anybody in this post, I am a fan who bleeds silver and black just like others in this post. It is simple to understand my position, I played football in high school and when a everyone are working hard and we are not losing there is someone to be blamed, coach, players, etc. In the Raiders case, JR is a fat, lazy, arrogant SOB who doesnt care about winning, you can see it by the way he plays, acts, talks and by the reports that he had been fined for missing meetings. Can you imagine any QB in this league missing meetings? you hear a Wr or LB acting this way not your franchise player and QB. This is why we are losing, we are 1-3 for a reason everyone is trying hard except the most important player JR, he is to be blamed if we end up 3-13 in this season.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“It can go two ways,” Henderson said. “We can go out there and embarrass ourselves or go out their and make a name for ourselves.”
LOL…oh yeah…they’ve made a name for themselves already.
I think we can all list a few of the names they’ve made for themselves.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
hey, how come i havent seen those “WHERE WERE YOU WHEN…” ADS IN THE RAIDER WEBSITE, LOL….WHERE WERE YOU WHEN JAWALRUSS STANK IT UP AGAIN…..”WHERE WERE YOU WHEN DARREN MCFUMBLE LOST ANOTHER BALL” WHERE WERE YOU WHEN TOM CABLE MADE ANOTHER EXCUSE…. WHERE WERE YOU.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
# DirtyBathWater Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Of course not, Davis is fascinated with throwing the bomb, football is a game of field position, guys are bigger much faster and the defenses are more complex than the past, many teams won’t just give up the long ball each team has to play to their strengths, take a few chances and take what the d gives….can’t force the long ball… that’s why Davis needs to take a ride out of town and Cable with him
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Even the founders and architects of the dink and dunk or west coast offense, the “take what the defense gives you” approach, would take shots down the field. Walsh/Montana/Young would air it out a few times a game. There is no denying that. All teams have to do that. The issue is, if you can never complete that play, no one is going to defense it and they are going to continue to stack up.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Is this Russell’s fault too?
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October 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
# DirtyBathWater Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
trueraider, can you tell me why the Raiders cannot land a “prominent coach”? Because none of them want to work for AD because they know just like everyone else except you that AD wants the team to run the way he wants it to go, so we get these make shift guys to come in and all we do is loose. Do you think that if we had a Bill Cower here we would be loosing nah I don’t think so…. and it is Davis fault he is a major part of the problem, we need a true coach. Not an oline converted HC and a GM to get this team going in the right direction. al needs to pack it in and turn the organization over, we have way too much talent on this team….. a real coach will know how to get the most out of his players, Cable don’t fit the bill
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If we had Cowher we would still be losing if JR was our QB, look at Ken Whisenhunt he came to the Cardinals and first thing he did was bench Leinart, it is simple, we cant win with JR, JR is the worst QB in this league which equals to 3-13. Now do you believe you can win with a bum QB who doesnt wanna put on the work if u had Cowher?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Lions won ZERO games last year. Raiders won five
Matthew Stafford (rookie)
JaMarcus Russell (3rd year in the league)
Stafford has more passing yards, better completion percentage, better QB Rating, 4 times as many TD passes and just as many wins.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
JR is a fat, lazy, arrogant SOB who doesnt care about winning, you can see it by the way he plays, acts, talks and by the reports that he had been fined for missing meetings. Can you imagine any QB in this league missing meetings? you hear a Wr or LB acting this way not your franchise player and QB. This is why we are losing, we are 1-3 for a reason everyone is trying hard except the most important player JR, he is to be blamed if we end up 3-13 in this season.
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well said TrueRaider! agreed 100 percent
October 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Pears was going through drills as the right tackle, with Cooper Carlisle at right guard, Samson Satele at center, Chris Morris at left guard and Mario Henderson at left tackle.
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let’s go grunts. zero sacks allowed & zero penalties!
that’ll be a good enough game from them imo. I don’t expect them to come out & dominate and have Bush & Fargas rush for 200 yards against them, but I think my expectations can be met with some hard work and a positive attitude. now whip these hogs into shape Coach Cable!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Interesting note passed on from David White at the Chron…
“** Just saw this stat on Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell: on first down passing, he is 12 of 40 for 136 yards with one sack, three interception and a passer’s rating of 10.0.
On fourth down Russell is 3 for 4 with a passer’s rating of 156.3 — two points off the perfect rating. **”
Interesting….and makes me wonder if Russell’s issue is something that really hasn’t been mentioned much:
Concentration and Focus
Somehow, Cable or someone else needs to get Russell to view EVERY SINGLE PLAY as 4th down and the game on the line.
It’d be interesting to see what kind of performance he could produce today, right now, with that type of mindset on every play, and every pass.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
raiderdav Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
where in the hell is javon walker its mind boggling, why not play him? i say NYG 49 Raiders 10
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my only question is: how do we get 10???
October 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
KK,i’m not talking about 5-10 yrs ago.i’m talking about now,today,this season and this player.it is absolutely ridiculous to say Russell had anything to do with things that happened when he was in HS.but it is just as ridiculous to not ADMIT he is one of the main reasons our off. is so putrid this year.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
The oline should get some attention!!! More like a swift kick in the @$$! I would make them do drills and exercises all day until they drop! Then I would revive them and make em do it again!!!! Pro athletes should perform ar a pro level! That’s why they get paid!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I’d also like to see his 4th quarter numbers from the SD and KC games – games where everything was on the line and he was forced to focus.
Let’s see if I can dig them up…
October 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
How bout this, can you pin this on Russell, too?
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October 7th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Oakglenn Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Zymurge Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Let’s not forget that this is the pair, with all their speed, that makes Brady the world’s most overrated NFL player ever. Hell, they even made Cassell look like a real NFL QB despite not even being able to win a starting job in college!
Speed creates huge matchup problems. It causes defenses to over-adjust and opens up other options. The three things missing right now are:
1) DHB has to learn how to clear the jams and actually get deep to start the threat
2) The play calling has to work in several deep attempts to prove that the threat is legit
3) JaMarcus has to actually read when it’s there and be ready to check down to a dump when it isn’t
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What Zymurge says he is exactly right. Wes welker the sure handed possession receiver is what makes the NE offense go. Saying “sure handed” in the same breath as “Raiders” is kind of a joke.
As I said after the Denver game, the 2nd pick that Russell threw, the one where tons of boos sh** rained down on him, was a timing pattern that Bailey knocked DHB off his route. lst off, if timing was such a simple concept, they wouldn’t be paying these guys millions to do it. 2ndly, that was a complete rookie mistake to let that All Pro corner knock you off your route. That will be corrected with playing time.
Not only does the play calling have to work in the deep routes, the team HAS to execute those plays. That means not only hitting the receiver, but also catching the ball, keeping possession of it, and keeping feet in bounds. Something that has not happened with regularity.
Draws, Screens and checkdowns would help the long play develop which would back the defense up, which in turn would open up running lanes. None of that has happened.
^^^^^^^The problem is Cable and Tollner are FORCING the deep ball and low percentage throws with ROOKIE WR’s starting and with a struggling QB.
NOT a good recipe for success at all!
Cable and Tollner need to concentrate on sustaining drives with the short to intermediate passing game and work perfecting the execution of screens and rollout plays like what the Vikes and Eagles do.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Lefty12 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
KK,i’m not talking about 5-10 yrs ago.i’m talking about now,today,this season and this player.
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NOW, TODAY, THIS SEASON, THIS SUNDAY, This 23 year old player, will go to work for the most putrid franchise in Sports.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
The problem is Cable and Tollner are FORCING the deep ball and low percentage throws with ROOKIE WR’s starting and with a struggling QB.
NOT a good recipe for success at all!
Cable and Tollner need to concentrate on sustaining drives with the short to intermediate passing game and work perfecting the execution of screens and rollout plays like what the Vikes and Eagles do.
A good screen play works just as well as a strong running game.
Too bad the old idiotic man Al Davis, Cable and Tollner don’t see that!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
i am not a Gannon fan,but what happened to this franchise when we had an all-pro QB in Gannon-WE WON.as of right now we have the worst starting QB in the league and guess what-we can’t win.even someone as stubborn as you should be able to see this,KK.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
i just thought i would pop in to see how the wake is going…
the funeral will be held in early January…
in the meantime… let’s flog this corpse…
October 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Silver and Barf – good observation.
At LSU, Russell was allowed to ad-lib most play. It was a very loose playbook – plus he had a very solid Oline and some very good receivers (Bowe, etc.). Perhaps he just struggles with understanding instructions, perhaps the Raiders are trying to script too much for him, perhaps they should just allow him to audible his way through the game. More spread, more no-huddle. Just let him play on instinct – as he has to on 4th down?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
now all we need is a QB who can implement the short to intermediate passing game,because the one we have playing now sure as hell can’t.bench him for a game or two like we did last year-it seemed to work last year.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
how do you know what they practice?practices are closed to the public.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
JR is a fat, lazy, arrogant SOB who doesnt care about winning,
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This from a guy who cheats his employers by spending his entire workday on a Raider blog.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Another thing. Russell is at his most comfortable throwing straight downfield to Miller. Most of his misfires are to the touchlines. So why doesn’t Cable call more 2 TE sets and gets Myers or Stewart in the game alongside Miller?
If we are going to stick with Russell, we need to play to his strengths. I would go with 2 TEs and just give him some big targets in midfield. Not much else to lose.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
lefty12 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
now all we need is a QB who can implement the short to intermediate passing game,because the one we have playing now sure as hell can’t.bench him for a game or two like we did last year-it seemed to work last year.
^^^^^^^Another problem is that Cable and Tollner done’t practice the short passing game and screen plays enough!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Don’t get me wrong Trueraider, guys, I guess what im trying to say, is if we had a more stable enviornment that could contribute to the turn around that we need. Im not making excuses for Russell, at all, it is true he has to put in the work needed to be a better QB, but who do we have to help him along the way? No one. From top to bottom this team is totally out of sync…….with that said do you think we will be looking at one of them stud QBs in next years draft?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Some body break out and make some plays dammit!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
i’m using my jedi mind trick “they will win this sunday in the meadowlands, oh yes they will win this sunday”…………..zzzzzz hmm man i had a dream the giant won this sunday, lol nah the raiders will WIN…but i have no idea how, i’m just talking out my arse
October 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
# DirtyBathWater Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Don’t get me wrong Trueraider, guys, I guess what im trying to say, is if we had a more stable enviornment that could contribute to the turn around that we need. Im not making excuses for Russell, at all, it is true he has to put in the work needed to be a better QB, but who do we have to help him along the way? No one. From top to bottom this team is totally out of sync…….with that said do you think we will be looking at one of them stud QBs in next years draft?
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Ok, here is the problem with your analogy, it is not the environment that made JR fat, lazy, and a bust. He doesnt seem to have the passion to succeed in the NFL, whats the prove? Simple, in the combine when u are suppose to be on your best shape in life, dude comes in over weight and out of shape doesn’t even workout, during the time he was holding out, cameras spotted him drinking beers in LSU games rather than working on his footwork. Listen, we were bad against the run when Randy Moss was here but our offense was functioning with old Collins as our QB, today, we have the defense that can allows us to win problem is we lack the QB that can help our defense. I think we go back to what we do best, bring in veterans or decent QBs and hope we draft OL and DL along with picking up decent LBs from free agency.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
This from a guy who cheats his employers by spending his entire workday on a Raider blog.
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Kelly,
TrueRaider said it. I just agreed with him!
what you got against TrueRaider?
at least he’s not a racist old hypocrit like you …
October 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Last years play calling was superb down the stretch, we were imo using russell to his strengths, instead of just having him drop back in the pocket (like we are doing this year) we were rolling him out getting him out the pocket and on the move. Someone please tell me why we aren’t doing that anymore?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Yeah Trueraider point taken I can agree with that
October 7th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
i got it i know what will motivate jawalrus, invite him to nathans hot dog eating contest next year, because thats where hes fat ass belongs.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Cable was working with the grunts on the offensive line, with Jim Michalczik watching closely and Cable doing most of the talking.
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not exactly a vote of confidence for the new O-Line coach, huh? sheesh. Coach Michalczik was saddled with a bunch of scrubs, what does Cable expect?
Cornell Green will never be Chris Samuels.
Cooper Carlisle will never be Alan Faneca.
Chris Morris will never be Matt Birk.
and we have NO DEPTH behind them …
October 7th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Watching Farve play Monday night was a thing of beauty.
What a contrast to the Raiders!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
# Richochet Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Crab deserving respect? No one said he deserves any, at this point.
Point is the Raiders stupidly signed Bey, instead of Crab.
And now you have to backtrack, trying to save face.
Ouch, lol..big time.
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Silver-n-Smac Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:13 am
REPOST:
James Jett: UNDRAFTED rookie stats:
33 receptions, 771 yards, 3 TD’s, 23 yards/reception
Cracks me up how people always laugh about Al and James Jett.
The Raiders got more mileage out of James Jett than just about any team has ever gotten out of an UNDRAFTED player.
And those ROOKIE stats above by an UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT are most likely numbers that Michael Crabnuts wouldn’t have achieved this season even if he hadn’t held out.
So Richochet, you can love your crabnuts all you want, he hasn’t done anything to receive yours or anyone else’s respect.
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Come on man, are you kidding me? You haven’t even seen Crabnuts play one down in an NFL game and you already declare him so much better than DHB?
Man, you’ve got the football I.Q. of a chipmunk.
NONE of us. Let me state that again: NONE OF US will know whether or not either of these two guys will be high caliber NFL players until they play a year or two of football.
Not 5 or 6 gams. . . .not all players develop at the same rate. Some guys show flashes early but don’t necessarily become great.
Some guys show nothing early but become great.
You wanna crown Crabtree’s Nuts, go ahead.
I’m not ready for that yet.
Crabnuts came from a college system that so often fails in the NFL.
Let’s wait and see.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I know what will motivate jawalrus, invite him to nathans hot dog eating contest next year
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or show him a clip of Al Davis clubbing baby seals!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Russell was a good pickup. He played well in preseason, was very good on special teams and has proven he can run on the NFL level.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
# Richochet Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Crab deserving respect? No one said he deserves any, at this point.
Point is the Raiders stupidly signed Bey, instead of Crab.
And now you have to backtrack, trying to save face.
Ouch, lol..big time.
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Backtracking?
Saving face?
You’re an ignorant Schmuck of epic proportions Richonuts.
You think I have to save face to YOU?
Are you kidding? Do you think you strike fear into the hearts of all bloggers??? LOL
You’re a funny guy Richonuts.
As I said again. . . . .there’s not much to talk about with either of these two chaps until they actually have at least a full season of experience.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
They probably wanna keep Barnes backing up Henderson in case he goes down.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Russell was a good pickup. He played well in preseason, was very good on special teams and has proven he can run on the NFL level.
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I agree. He runs hard. What I don’t understand is why Barnes can’t simply move over to RT.
If you’re a good player, you’re a good player.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
5pm in Podunk. see you fellers tomorrow!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Lions won ZERO games last year. Raiders won five
Matthew Stafford (rookie)
JaMarcus Russell (3rd year in the league)
Stafford has more passing yards, better completion percentage, better QB Rating, 4 times as many TD passes and just as many wins.
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I’m sorry but which one of our guys (DHB or Murphy) is Calvin Murphy the six five guy who dominated last year and which one is Bryant Johnson the first rounder with 7 years in the league?? I forget.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Sorry I mean which one of our guys is Calvin Johnson.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
# Richochet Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Crab deserving respect? No one said he deserves any, at this point.
Point is the Raiders stupidly signed Bey, instead of Crab.
And now you have to backtrack, trying to save face.
Ouch, lol..big time.
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One thing I have learned is people who are pains in the ass in the beginning of a relationship, are pains in the ass in the middle and pains in the ass in the end of the relationship. That right there is the Michael Craptree Story, hence why 9 teams passed. As for the Whiners, their 3 wins have come against teams with a combined 2-9 or .187 winning percentage. Not good. They have played one team with a winning record. They lost. Right now they are 28th in total offense ahead of The Raiders, KC, St Louis, and Cleveland, and behind Tampon Bay. Not good. Especially when you are playing teams with a .187 winning percentage.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
We keep complaining about offense did anyone see the total lack of effort on defense on the two touchdowns by Slaten? Like they were affraid to touch the guy. No other team in the nfl would have wiffed like that.
I am not giving the offense any praise they all suc. including Lechler for his steller effort on tackling. all a bunch of overpaid athelets with no one to hold them accountable Cable is a joke
October 7th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Absolutely Silver-n-Smac,
Cable needs to wake up on this one and Barnes should be begging for that opportunity right now.
Pears over Barnes? This has the makings of Cable playing Kwame Harris over Mario until Week 15 last year.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Oakglenn- Good and valid points.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Definitely Oak,
If anyone can pinpoint ONE time this season where a receiver made a great catch or a nice adjustment on an off-target pass to make a big play I’ll buy you a beer. Most QBs get that kind of help on probably 3-5 passes per game. JaMarcus has yet to get that kind of help through 4 games. I understand that they’re rookies, so I’m not trying to kill the WRs, but NO OTHER QB in the league is playing with a pair of rookie starting WRs.
I’ve heard people try to say Peyton Manning is doing it with 2 rookies (Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon). First of all, he’s Peyton Manning. Second of all, no, he’s not. Ever hear of a guy by the name of Reggie Wayne? He’s a Pro Bowl veteran receiver. And Garcon is not a rookie either. He’s a 2nd year player who was drafted ahead of Chaz Schilens last year. So Manning’s weapons would be comparable to Russell’s if say, the Raiders had Anquan Boldin and Schilens lining up at WR right now. They don’t. They have DHB and Louis Murphy.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Not to go down memory lane, but, just imagine if Barrett Robbins doesn’t go AWAL the day before the biggest game in his life.
It’s amazing to me how one incident like that actually (well, I should say POTENTIALLY) changed the future of so many different people and scenarios.
We would have still had to rebuild our team, as we were definitely old, but, a guy like Robbins would most likely still be playing.
He’d be up there in years, but, was hands-down the best center in football.
Imagine him next to Gallery & Henderson right now.
Hell, we could just declare the right side of the field off-limits and dominate the left!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
With this sieve of a O-line this week vs. the G-men, JaMeatloaf had better wear one of those SWAT grade flak jackets. He is going to be in for a l-o-n-g day.
Giants -22 if we’re lucky….
October 7th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Extra Attention… huh, what a novel idea! How much extra attention will the QB and WRs get???
October 7th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I’m wondering if I should bet against the Raiders….AGAIN and win some more money by them playing like crap?
The spread is crazy though….I think the G-Men are giving up 15 points??
They should by all rights beat the Raiders by at least 2 TD’s though….
October 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I’m wondering if I should bet against the Raiders….AGAIN and win some more money by them playing like crap? LOL
The spread is crazy though….I think the G-Men are giving up 15 points??
They should by all rights beat the Raiders by at least 2 TD’s though….
October 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Take the Giants and the points….easy $$$.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Here’s something to chew on: JaMarcus has yet to throw an INT that was his fault this season:
No. 1 – Murphy ran a sloppy route and didn’t go after the ball aggressively, waiting for it to come to him. The DB did go after the ball aggressively and blew past Murphy for the pick.
No. 2 – Hail mary pass.
No. 3 – DHB falls down after contact with the defender. Could have been pass interference. The pass was on target for a completion if DHB stays on his feet.
No. 4 – DHB bumps into a defender coming out of his break on a deep crossing pattern. The ball was thrown in anticipation to an opening where DHB would’ve been if he didn’t get bumped off his route. He couldn’t make it to that spot and another defender picked the pass.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Very clear another loosing season.
Game over!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Chris In NY Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Here’s something to chew on: JaMarcus has yet to throw an INT that was his fault this season:
No. 1 – Murphy ran a sloppy route and didn’t go after the ball aggressively, waiting for it to come to him. The DB did go after the ball aggressively and blew past Murphy for the pick.
No. 2 – Hail mary pass.
No. 3 – DHB falls down after contact with the defender. Could have been pass interference. The pass was on target for a completion if DHB stays on his feet.
No. 4 – DHB bumps into a defender coming out of his break on a deep crossing pattern. The ball was thrown in anticipation to an opening where DHB would’ve been if he didn’t get bumped off his route. He couldn’t make it to that spot and another defender picked the pass.
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I agree he has not thrown an interception in the DB’s hands this season. While he is still struggling with his accuracy at least he is not doing his best Jay Schroeder impression. I would rather have him throw it away then force one and get picked off for 6. The O-line’s inconsistency is hurting the Raiders the most no matter who is at QB if your Oline doesn’t play as unit no one can be successful.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Not to go down memory lane, but, just imagine if Barrett Robbins doesn’t go AWAL the day before the biggest game in his life.
It’s amazing to me how one incident like that actually (well, I should say POTENTIALLY) changed the future of so many different people and scenarios.
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S&S, when I look at that 2002 team you see a roster PACKED with PHYSICAL GUYS!! Starting with Robbins!! You had Eric Barton, The Woodsons, Romamowski, Parella, Rod Coleman, Reagan Upshaw, Sam Adams, Tyrone Wheatley, Rice, Gannon, Zack Crockett, Jon Ritchie, Lincoln Kennedy. I mean look at those guys. THOSE ARE PHYSICAL GUYS!! Who do we have now??? Tommmie Kelly?? Howard?? CJ?? Jay Richardson?? Satele?? Cornell Green?? Kirk Morrison?? Ricky Brown?? Hiram Eugene?? Shoot I look at those names and I want to get a bunch of my friends to go suit up, line up and play those guys.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RaiderRockstar says..
let’s go grunts. zero sacks allowed & zero penalties!
that’ll be a good enough game from them imo. I don’t expect them to come out & dominate and have Bush & Fargas rush for 200 yards against them, but I think my expectations can be met with some hard work and a positive attitude. now whip these hogs into shape Coach Cable!
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That is one of the first posistive/optimistic things I have read about our oakland raiders since I have been following this blog. I finally made a account so I could reply. I think all of you so called raider fans with your negative attitudes and trash talk should go to another blog. Constructive criticism is good but slamming your own team and players with every chance you get is just plain ignorant. I know it looks bleek for sunday but thats why we play the game no one knows the outcome. Lets go RAIDERS lets go to jersey and fight for a win and turn this thing around.
RAIDER NATION FOR LIFE.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Save the positive speech!
I know good football and I know this is not it.
It does not make sense to keep building dream castles in the sky. That is great you are positive but be realistic, the Raiders can not keep presenting a bad product and think we are going to buy it in the name of fanhood. That is foolish!
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godzilla420 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RaiderRockstar says..
let’s go grunts. zero sacks allowed & zero penalties!
that’ll be a good enough game from them imo. I don’t expect them to come out & dominate and have Bush & Fargas rush for 200 yards against them, but I think my expectations can be met with some hard work and a positive attitude. now whip these hogs into shape Coach Cable!
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That is one of the first posistive/optimistic things I have read about our oakland raiders since I have been following this blog. I finally made a account so I could reply. I think all of you so called raider fans with your negative attitudes and trash talk should go to another blog. Constructive criticism is good but slamming your own team and players with every chance you get is just plain ignorant. I know it looks bleek for sunday but thats why we play the game no one knows the outcome. Lets go RAIDERS lets go to jersey and fight for a win and turn this thing around.
RAIDER NATION FOR LIFE.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jon-Gruden-off-to-rocky-start-in-Monday-Night-Fo?urn=nfl,194196
Very interesting. Bring Gruden back.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
“Cable is back in his element”.
Cable = Patrick the starfish.
AD = Plankton
October 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Here’s something to chew on: JaMarcus has yet to throw an INT that was his fault this season:
No. 1 – Murphy ran a sloppy route and didn’t go after the ball aggressively, waiting for it to come to him. The DB did go after the ball aggressively and blew past Murphy for the pick.
No. 2 – Hail mary pass.
No. 3 – DHB falls down after contact with the defender. Could have been pass interference. The pass was on target for a completion if DHB stays on his feet.
No. 4 – DHB bumps into a defender coming out of his break on a deep crossing pattern. The ball was thrown in anticipation to an opening where DHB would’ve been if he didn’t get bumped off his route. He couldn’t make it to that spot and another defender picked the pass.
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Chris:
Your comments are right-on. The problem is that there are a lot of JaMarcus haters & DHB haters in here who already have their minds made up.
They’re the same people who were booing him at the SD game and begging to have Gradkowski in there.
I turned around and gave about 50 people the finger and the “are you kidding me, do you really want Gradkowski as your starting QB” glare.
30 seconds later, Russell throws the potential game winning bomb to Murphy.
Does he need to “visually” look like he really wants it more? Sure.
Does he need to not smile on the sidelines when we’re down by 23 points? sure.
But the reality is that this is a 23 year old kid who’s simply not a man yet.
But the reason I don’t see any semblance of BUST in him is this:
Guys like Alex Smith, Akili Smith, Jim Druckenmiller, Ryan Leif. . .those guys NEVER showed the crunch-time display that Russell showed at the end of the 1st two games this season.
“BUSTS” simply do NOT make clutch throws in pressure situations. Russell DID.
This truly gives me confidence that once the kid grows up, matures into a grown man, acts more like a man, that he will be a damned good QB in this league.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Sounds like Eli is 50/50 to go on Sun. That means David Carr is the QB.–pft.com We got a shot at -18 vs. Giants, if we’re lucky…
October 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Man if we can avoid penalties and protect Russell we should be competitive in this game. I tip my hat to Godzilla42 and Silver_n_Smac. How about Brandon Meyers?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
# godzilla420 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RaiderRockstar says..
let’s go grunts. zero sacks allowed & zero penalties!
that’ll be a good enough game from them imo. I don’t expect them to come out & dominate and have Bush & Fargas rush for 200 yards against them, but I think my expectations can be met with some hard work and a positive attitude. now whip these hogs into shape Coach Cable!
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That is one of the first posistive/optimistic things I have read about our oakland raiders since I have been following this blog. I finally made a account so I could reply. I think all of you so called raider fans with your negative attitudes and trash talk should go to another blog. Constructive criticism is good but slamming your own team and players with every chance you get is just plain ignorant. I know it looks bleek for sunday but thats why we play the game no one knows the outcome. Lets go RAIDERS lets go to jersey and fight for a win and turn this thing around.
RAIDER NATION FOR LIFE.
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Gpdzilla:
I love you man! You and I think alike.
Can we please leave the hating for the media?
Every Sunday. . . .even week 16 of the 2006 team. . .I wake up to watch Raider football and I have goosebumps at kickoff and I always believe we’re gonna win. . .somehow, someway.
If I didn’t, then why the hell bother watching?
Remember folks, this is supposed to be fun.
If it ain’t fun for you, then just jump ship already.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I dont see the harm in looking for the positive in a negative situation. Like it or not this is our team…maybe not yours but it is mine and will always be my team. We can all point out the obvious all day or we can look a little deeper and see that there is always lite at the end of the long dark tunnel.
Have some pride…would you let a donkey or a charger talk about our squad like this without defending it?
RAIDER NATION FOR LIFE
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CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Save the positive speech!
I know good football and I know this is not it.
It does not make sense to keep building dream castles in the sky. That is great you are positive but be realistic, the Raiders can not keep presenting a bad product and think we are going to buy it in the name of fanhood. That is foolish!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
hey koolaid man!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
c’mon napa police/roger goodel get this clown outta hear already.!!!!!!
c’mon grim reaper get this old man outta hear already.!!!!!!
c’mon cholesteral get this japoatroast outta hear already !!!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Cable could have Beyonce and Megan Fox come in and give this O-line “extra attention” and it wouldn’t change the fact these guys are the worst in the NFL.
Stick a fork in the Raiders. They’re done.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Plankton had a bad dream…
October 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
LMFAO!
Did anyone else get their ESPN the magazine in the mail today?
WTF ?!?!?!?!?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Silver-n-Smac
Thats what im talking about Silver-n-Smac. If it aint fun for you then jump ship. I would like to discuss our raiders with some true fans not haters.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
You are never done with 16 game season in Week 5. You go out and play hard and compete and at the end of the season when there’s nothing left then you are done. IMO Henderson has played very well this season and I think Morris and Carlisle have played pretty well too a couple of mistakes but none of these guys are Kwame Harris or Gallery on the LT spot. If Walker comes in and offers some promise at the RT spot bring him in
October 7th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Nothin for nobody.
the Raiders won’t be any good until AD Inc. rests in peace or hires a GM / HC like Holmgren, Mooch, Chuckie, or J Harbaugh and gives up complete control of who is on the coaching staff, offensive and defensive playcalling (including playbooks) and and who is drafted.
Like I said. That ain’t gonna happen.
So Japottamus / Cable sheeple are likely to git their fill of losing until they have come to the conclusion this old fan has come to.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
kool kell
I dont know about you but I get excited for sunday as soon as the weekend hits and I have a blast watching the game win or lose. I guess you just dont understand. Do you only have “fun” watching a team that wins all the time. I know we are slumping “to say the least” but it is my squad and I am proud to be part of the raider nation.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Godzilla:
What I can’t stand is guys like Jeff Garcia & Ralph Barbieri making comments that are so damaging to this team from a public perception standpoint.
“Garcia says there are guys that simply come here to collect a paycheck”. . . . . .do you realize how bad that statement sounds if it’s not clarified specifically? Then guys like Barbieri get on the radio and broadcast that to thousands of listeners.
That is absolutely a damaging generalization to be making. If you’re talking about JaMarcus, in particular, then have the balls to call him out if you’re going to open your mouth in the first place. As even Jerry McDonald stated, EVERY team in the NFL has guys like that. But the point is that 99% of the guys on the team are NOT like that.
If you’re going to start blabbing to the media, then be a man and provide names. Actions such as Garcia’s are PUNK. It’s not fair to all the guys who DO care and DO put in the time. And I’m not even saying JaMarcus doesn’t do the latter, as NONE of us in here know one way or another.
When a guy like Garcia makes those comments, he should have his ass kicked by a current Raider. If I’m a guy like Gallery or Morrison, etc., I call him out publicly.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“O-line gets Attention”
How could anyone write this drivel without feeling like a complete moron…
Cable could move in with,marry,become surgically connected to this O-line and it would not give them the attention needed to be even remotely close to a legitimate squad.
Hands down the worst squad on this team and easily the worst in the NFL.
I’ll keep saying it,keep Gallery and Henderson and scrap the rest.
Other than those two there’s not a single NFL caliber lineman on this roster.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Godzilla420
Great day to be a Raider fan eh?
Sooooooo much fuuuuuuun!
Maybe HazeDaze will come and talk to you. You guys can exchange goosebumps.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Krappy is in classic Krappy form today! The old dog is whining about the old days and cut and pasting worthless stats that no one is going to read.
If there is a stronger argument for why ol Krappy should be taken directly to the old folks home and chained to his bed pan, I’d like to hear it.
I’m guessing he hasn’t had his afternoon oatmeal feeding, which would explain why his feathers are getting so ruffled. I mean seriously – is anyone grumpier than this old goat besides Adolf Hitler?
Anyway, hopefully his latest pant crapping will calm him down just a tad. We can only pray he’ll get hosed down and tucked in before he jams that old dome in the microwave again.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
The Raiders have 25 wins to 75 losses over their last 100 games…and AD gonna save you?
October 7th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
J.Holland to return kicks this week.—D.White’s twitter…
October 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Well at least Cable is doing the smart thing in trying to make sure that this Oline gets back on track. Jamarcus, the WRs, our LBs … None of it matters with a horrible Oline.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
AD is the architect / pimp of the Raidernation.
The fans keep comin back to the same moldy hotel room to be taxed by the man again.
Addiction to pain is real.
Boycott Raidernation Boycott.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
silver and smack
I can see when a broadcaster or analyst puts there 2 cents in…that is there job. But when someone like garcia opens his mouth to do nothing but talk trash it makes no sense to me. How the hell does he know what the guys in the locker room want he had virtually no interaction with players form what I hear. He didnt even join QB sessions when “injured” to try and help the younger guys. I think he is just mouthing off trying to be the next player turned announcer/analyst.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Godzilla:
What I can’t stand is guys like Jeff Garcia & Ralph Barbieri making comments that are so damaging to this team from a public perception standpoint.
“Garcia says there are guys that simply come here to collect a paycheck”. . . . . .do you realize how bad that statement sounds if it’s not clarified specifically? Then guys like Barbieri get on the radio and broadcast that to thousands of listeners.
That is absolutely a damaging generalization to be making. If you’re talking about JaMarcus, in particular, then have the balls to call him out if you’re going to open your mouth in the first place. As even Jerry McDonald stated, EVERY team in the NFL has guys like that. But the point is that 99% of the guys on the team are NOT like that.
If you’re going to start blabbing to the media, then be a man and provide names. Actions such as Garcia’s are PUNK. It’s not fair to all the guys who DO care and DO put in the time. And I’m not even saying JaMarcus doesn’t do the latter, as NONE of us in here know one way or another.
When a guy like Garcia makes those comments, he should have his ass kicked by a current Raider. If I’m a guy like Gallery or Morrison, etc., I call him out publicly.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Kool Kell
you are a clown dont “cha” know that. I dont look at my team from a buisness aspect I watch it as a fan. Untill there is a real threat of losing my team to finacial issues I will just be a fan not a banker.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Silver-N-Smac Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Godzilla:
What I can’t stand is guys like Jeff Garcia & Ralph Barbieri making comments that are so damaging to this team from a public perception standpoint.
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You guys need to quit whining about the media. The only “public perception” you need to worry about is 25-75.
And chiding fans to jump ship is not very smart from a business sense, but hey it’s the Raiders. But when a team can’t sellout home game number 2, against a division rival, telling fans to fuk off is not very intelligent.
No more sellouts this year, you know that don’t cha?
October 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Boycotting the Raiders is like boycotting beer. I just can’t seem to find the will power or I’m hooked.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Al took Barbieri’s manhood along time ago and Ralph is still without it.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Lynn From Snot Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Al took Barbieri’s manhood along time ago and Ralph is still without it.
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Al took the Raiders manhood a long time ago, and they’re still without it.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
KoolKell:
I really could care less if guys like you don’t show up to games.
Raider games are the best bar-none. We cheer our asses off, win or lose.
And there are a lot of reasons the Raiders have trouble selling out that people don’t want to talk about.
Let’s be real about this. Do you see a lot of kids at Raider games? No. Do you see a lot of women? No.
Do you see a predominately white-collar crowd? No.
Those are things that you see at every other NFL stadium and that, in itself, is a big contributer to sell-outs. The Raiders have, by far, the most ethnically-diverse crowd in the NFL, and frankly, that scares a lot of people. They’re too scared to bring their kids or their wives or their girlfriends.
Does that make it right? Of course not, but, that’s just the harsh reality.
So don’t give me the “you guys can’t sell out your games” BS.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Sup Nation Collective, long time no post. Hope you are all well in these depressing times.
As for me, I’ve been so disgusted by the lack of leadership and lack of balls that I don’t even watch anymore as the outcome is predictable. I just curse when I watch sportscenter and nfl.com highlights later. I cannot believe how horrible our squad has become.
Lynn from snot is right, once the Silver and Black is in your blood it doesn’t leave, regardless of how disgusted you are.
I will say this though, like you all don’t know anyway. . .Al dying is the only way to salvation.
And . . . am I the only fan (25 years a fan) that feels there is no possible way we avoid a 1-7 start? Beating the Giants, Eagles, Jets, and Chargers the next four games. . . I see it not happening.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
To all you guys who can’t wait for Al to pass away:
Will there really be anything interesting about being a Raider fan at that point?
Will there really be anything interesting, unique or cool about the Raiders, any more so than any other NFL team?
The answer is HELL NO.
Obviously, to some of you, the only reason to root for this team is the wins.
Let me tell you something; There is only one reason the Raiders are different, and unique, and cool, and “us-against-the-world” and that reason is Al Davis.
For all his greatness, for all his faults (and he has many), he is the single ingredient that makes our team different. And to me, as a fan, that is cool.
We’ve won with Al and we’ve lost with Davis. But, once he’s gone, all that uniqueness goes away. We become just another NFL franchise, win or lose.
Is that really that interesting to any of you? If it is, then damn. . . .go root for any of the other 31 teams that may be having success right now.
I for one choose to be part of the NATION that says “screw the rest of you”.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
im outta here for the day. Peace out to all my real raider fans. All the haters can go jump off the bay bridge for all I give a damn!
Stay up raider nation!
RAIDER NATION FOR LIFE!!!!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
24 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jon-Gruden-off-to-rocky-start-in-Monday-Night-Fo?urn=nfl,194196
Very interesting. Bring Gruden back.
^^^^^^^Non sense!
Gruden is great on MFL….having him in the booth makes the games more watchable and more importantly listenable! LOL
October 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
silva n smack, very good point. The biggest reason the team is my blood is because we go against the grain. you are correct. however, there comes a point when the decisions made by Al are clearly destroying the franchise. yes, we won and were great with him. but we are the joke of the league now, and it is for sure his fault.
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October 11th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Satele is a cast-off, Pears got torched last week and Morris is out of position… This is like going to be really ugly folks. Umenyura and Tuck are going to knock Jamarcbus and Bush into November… I just hope they don’t get killed.
As for the D, well, they might make it a game until about half way through the 3rd qtr when they start feeling the strain of being on the field for 30 mins straight… It pains me to type this as I will undoubtedly spend another week in front of my TV cursing but at least it won’t come as a big surprise…
1-5 and on our way to the #1 pick next year…