Still wait and see on Cable-Hanson
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, October 16th, 2009 at 11:31 am in Oakland Raiders.
I’ve stayed out of formulating opinions regarding the alleged altercation (we still have to call it alleged, don’t we?) between Tom Cable and Randy Hanson for the simple reason that I really don’t know what happened in that room.
My stance hasn’t changed since Aug. 22 _ that the Cable and the Raiders made some obvious errors in the handling of a crisis but that convicting him in the court of public opinion was premature until the facts were in.
So I’ve passed along the various reports, many of which implicate Cable and seem to originate from Hanson and his attorney, as well as the latest which hint maybe no charges will be filed at all. On the heels of Profootballtalk.com’s report Thursday comes another Yahoo! Sports report (with unnamed sources, of course) saying the case may be flimsy.
A couple of things worth addressing in the latest report:
– Hanson’s attorney, John McGuinn, said he thought the city of Napa and district attorneys office was dragging its feet because they didn’t want to lose the Raiders business.
Really?
Napa is an international vacation destination in the heart of the wine country. Virtually any day I’ve spent at training camp at the Napa Marriott would include overhearing people speaking foreign languages heading out the door to various wineries and tours.
They don’t know who the Raiders are and don’t care.
The next banner I see which says, “Napa: Training camp home of the Raiders” will be the first.
Other than upkeep of the field at Redwood Middle School, it’s not like Napa is making anything off the Raiders presence. There is no benefit golf tournament, no public appearances. It’s not the old days when the Raiders were out filling restaurants and bars on a nightly basis. They’re pretty much sequestered in the hotel, and it’s a typically private Raiders operation.
There was a time a few years back when a Napa Marriott employee told me they’d be just fine if the Raiders ended their agreement. The hotel was filling up to capacity anyway, and they were charging more per room for guests than the deal negotiated by the club.
Admittedly, that may not be true now, given the economy, but the only business which would be hurt by the Raiders leaving would be the hotel. It’s not as if there would be a city-wide effect from the departure of a fairly invisible tentant for one month a year.
There is no leverage there.
– Having Bill Romanowski hint that Hanson has a drug problem on KNBR’s Murph and Mac show was both reckless and comical at the same time.
Think about it for a minute. Romanowski, the guy who broke the face of Marcus Williams and has admitted to pushing the envelope regarding performance enhancing drugs, giving commentary on an assault investigation and leveling accuasations of drug use.
That’s a pot calling the kettle silver and black.
Friday practice _ no changes
As practice began following warmups and drills Friday, still no sign of Robert Gallery _ he won’t be playing, while Chaz Schilens was on the field for the third straight day.
Cable’s public stance has been that Schilens could play. Schilens himself seemed a bit skeptical Thursday.
Also missing again is Luke Lawton (ankle), the only pure fullback on the roster as the Raiders face the most blitz-heavy team in the NFL.
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October 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
alisgod Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Richochet Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Wait..what you meant, by your description, is “That’s why we’re called sheep”, didn’t you?
If it stinks, a true fan should note it, be PO’ed by it, and DEMAND BETTER.
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Please name me one instance in professional football where the FANS DEMANDED BETTER AND the team did something about it from those actions? We’ve been in the league for 50+ years. Please name me one instance where the fans got togehter demanded something and management gave in to their demands.
Talk is cheap Richochyt…Please show me the proof.
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Are you serious??
YOU DON’T THINK HEAD COACH FIRINGS ARE PROMPTED, IN MANY CASES, BY PO’ED FANS? You don’t think the higher ups listen to what the paying public says? You believe the PR dept on each team doesn’t have a concept of what PR means?? Smart teams are always aware of what drives those fans AND THEIR ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. Some teams have taken it upon themselves to take out full page ads to appease the fans..so..IF THE FANS HAVE NO SAY IN ANYTHING, why the ads? Why the apologies? Why the damage control? Why do teams state ‘THE FANS DESERVE BETTER’???
they don’t state “I deserve better’..they don’t state ‘the organization deserves better’..IT’S THE FANS.
And when enough fans make it clear they’re PO’ed? Enough signs? Enough backlash, via fans, through the media? THEN OWNERS TAKE THAT NECESSARY STEP..not all, of course, but most who are business savvy.
And what’s this “fans got together”? lol…you mean, like at Starbucks? And decided to write a nasty letter? No..I’m saying YOU WANT EVERYONE to avoid hurting your widdle feelings for a few days of the week..you want to live in fantasy land. You want to believe all is well..BY YOUR WORDS.
Every owner who doesn’t have his head up his ass is well aware of how fans perceive the owner, the organization, and the team. If not? He becomes an Al Davis in short order.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am
tim ryan on knbr gruden oakland return is possible
October 16th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Whippin Hanson is the best thing Cable has done all season… I bet Al will sic him on Jarrod Cooper next.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Jerry
I believe you’re intimidated by John Herrera and having your access snatched.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Jerry
The Napa Marriott makes money off the Raiders, don’t they?
Quit being a chickenshyt mouthpiece for the Raiders.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
tim ryan on knbr: “bruce allen would follow if gruden were to come back to oakland”
October 16th, 2009 at 11:37 am
“That’s a pot calling the kettle silver and black.”
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A strained turn-of-phrase Jerry.
An interesting question arises, however. Do NFL coaches get drug tested?
October 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
tim ryan: “gruden has never said anything negative about Mr. Davis on and off the record” and that “gruden will coach again”
October 16th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Justin Tuck, Patrick Willis, Ryan Clady, Joe Flacco, Percy Harvin… Yes, the Raiders had every chance to take any of those players, practically had a chance to take ALL of them, and did not.
There are many, many issues swirling around the Raiders’ total awfulness, and have swirled for years now. Infighting, real fighting, coaching issues, attitude issues, weight issues, owner-meddling issues…
Here’s the biggest issue, I think, and it isn’t always highlighted because of all the other insanity:
* Al Davis and his football people have failed in the draft time and again, despite having premium selections time and again (because they always stink), and when you wonder why the Raiders look so out-classed on the field every week, despite their high salaries, this is the largest reason why.
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Kawakami
October 16th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Krappy, who cares what you believe? Someone who’s brain has been microwaved as many times as yours loses a lot of credibility.
Instead of sitting at the computer in a pair of crap filled overalls forming retarded conspiracy theories, why don’t you get out and explore the world? Or at least shuffle down to your nearest am / pm for a slim jim.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Who cares? Much ado about nothing.Raiders suck and nothing has changed there either. JaBustus doesn’t get it and obviously, neither does Cable. We are a 1-15 team again this year and will be in the top 5, maybe 3, again. Cable may be fired by the BYE week but there’s now less chance of that because of the Hanson non-ruling situation.
FIRE CABLE – HIRE GRUDEN.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Rackochyt,
All you got are hearsay. Name me one actual instance that has been documentated that the fans action resulted in managemnt doing something about it.
You write alot but I dont see any concrete evidence. If filibustering is your defense, then you win.
Tell you what I will make it easy for you. You talk such great schytt. Why dont you start sometjhign like the fan in buffalo did if you want to do something about it? Your talk is so fckign cheap. Whining on this board every fcking day is cheap. You want to start soemtehign. DO IT!!!
until then, shut your pie hole!!!
October 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:23 am
In one study, 100 percent of those who committed murders involving rape or other sexual aspects had a history of cruelty to animals.
Almost 40 percent of animal abusers commit violent crimes against humans.
Sixty-three percent of men convicted of violent crimes admit to cruelty to animals.
Forty-eight percent of rapists and 30 percent of child molesters acknowledge episodes of cruelty to animals.
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Chew on that a little..
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Couldn’t agree more, Banana.
That fakeass interview Vick gave was pathetic.
He has shown zero remorse.
Only remorse he’s shown is having to sell his house, and not being able to wear his bling.
Anyone who deliberately hurts children or defenseless animals, IMO, should feel, 100 fold, exactly the pain they inflicted. Instead, some spineless worms will rush to cheer him because he can play a FREAKING GAME.
Spineless cowards cheer on people who torture all because that person can entertain them..the lowest of the low.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
yeah what did it say…I dont want 2 open a file something or other
October 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
All this talk of Gruden…whatever happens,happens.But I will say this…Gruden drafted Gradkowski out of Toledo.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Richochet Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
alisgod Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Richochet Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Wait..what you meant, by your description, is “That’s why we’re called sheep”, didn’t you?
If it stinks, a true fan should note it, be PO’ed by it, and DEMAND BETTER.
———-
Please name me one instance in professional football where the FANS DEMANDED BETTER AND the team did something about it from those actions? We’ve been in the league for 50+ years. Please name me one instance where the fans got togehter demanded something and management gave in to their demands.
Talk is cheap Richochyt…Please show me the proof.
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Are you serious??
YOU DON’T THINK HEAD COACH FIRINGS ARE PROMPTED, IN MANY CASES, BY PO’ED FANS?
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Name me one case please. http://www.google.com….we‘ve only been the league 50+ years. Name me one case where the owners acknowledged the fans wanted a new HC and they agreed!
October 16th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Gruden & Allen would be a HUGE UPGRADE. I place this event as a high possibility. AD knows he’s not going to a SB with Cable in the lead. AD wants another SB badly before he bites the bullet for the last time.
I can see AD making a run at Gruden and would concede the GM slot to Allen once again. If this happens, JaBustus will become a new person one way or another.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Gruden wouldn’t want to come to this team because it’s way too young. Gruden prefers a more veteran team. Bruce Allen? Why do so many of you here bring up Bruce Allen like he is some great missing piece? Bruce Allen was a cap guy. He won the George Young NFL Executive of the Year Award in 2002 for his deft ability to manage the salary cap when the Raiders brought in several over 30 proven veteran players. That same year Big AL finished 3rd in the voting behind Rich McKay, the Bucs’ general manager that year.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am
alisgod Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Rackochyt,
All you got are hearsay. Name me one actual instance that has been documentated that the fans action resulted in managemnt doing something about it.
You write alot but I dont see any concrete evidence. If filibustering is your defense, then you win.
Tell you what I will make it easy for you. You talk such great schytt. Why dont you start sometjhign like the fan in buffalo did if you want to do something about it? Your talk is so fckign cheap. Whining on this board every fcking day is cheap. You want to start soemtehign. DO IT!!!
until then, shut your pie hole!!!
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ROFLMFAO..awww…what’s the matter, pumpkin? Getting a little flustered? your idiot take got slapped down, and now you’re throwing a hissyfit?
“you want to start soemtehign. DO IT!!! LOL. Man, talk about abuse of the King’s English..but hey..I assume you meant ’something’.
Who ever said I wanted to start something? You mean, like collect money to put up a poster saying Al should stick to bingo, like Earl? That he should worry about changing his depends, which Earl also has issues with?
Why would I do that? I LOVE AL BEING WHERE HE IS, you whining little tool. I want Al to STICK AROUND FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS. hell, better yet, I want Al to stick around as long as he said he would, for two more SB wins, which means he’ll be around for another 50 years.
Hey, obvously I hit a nerve. You “NEED” your Friday’s to be ’stress free’..where you work up to Sunday, believing “we’re going to kick butt”..blocking out all reality.
Gosh..just frazzles me that I ruined your little circlejerk hand holding love fest.
have some tea..yeah..that should do it.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:50 am
God bless you guys, but anybody who thinks that Gruden is coming back has been spending a little too much time in Oaksterdam…
October 16th, 2009 at 11:50 am
It has been obvious for some time now that Al will hire a big name coach. Just dont let it be the rat.
Al tossed in the towel on this year. Let the youngsters get experiance. Bring in a few vets and a proven coach and enjoy.
Al is sharper then some give him credit for.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:52 am
can Gruden wouldnt deal with jameatloafs crap
October 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Ottocrat Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:50 am
God bless you guys, but anybody who thinks that Gruden is coming back has been spending a little too much time in Oaksterdam…
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would it really take an act of religion to have Gruden come back? or Al Davis to go away?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I would have loved to Sean McDermott hired as the Raiders DC this year….I was plugging him big time….but of course…..NOOOOOOOOOO……we hire another Non-Blitzing Al Davis puppet!
Lousy….maybe they can look to hire McDermott as the future head coach instead?
I always felt the Raiders need to be running the same style of defense as the Eagles…..the Eagles have one of the best…if not THE best 4-3 zone blitzing defensive schemes in the NFL!
The thing that pisses me off the most, is that we have good personnel, but NO defensive coordinator has the sack to run a aggressive 4-3 ZB scheme!
Stupidity!
October 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
If the Raiders had drafted perfectly or just moderately well from 2005 to 2009, they could’ve had:
-2005: Aaron Rodgers, Lofa Tatupu, Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs. Could’ve taken all of them.
-2006: Jay Cutler/Haloti Ngata, Mathias Kiwanuka or Nick Mangold or Devin Hester.
-2007: Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas or Patrick Willis.
-2008: Jerod Mayo, Ryan Clady or Joe Flacco.
-2009: B.J. Raji, Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin or Michael Oher.
* Boil it down: In one scenario, the Raiders could have had Cutler, Lofa Tatupu, Justin Tuck, Roddy White, Willis, Clady and Maclin.
* In another scenario: Aaron Rodgers, Haloti Ngata, Joe Thomas, Jerod Mayo and Percy Harvin.
* Instead they took Fabian Washington, Andrew Walter, Stanford Routt, Huff, JaMarcus, McFadden and DHB.
Why do teams lose? This is why.
Oh, by the way, remember that Jon Gruden deal? They traded their head coach to Tampa Bay for two No. 1s, two No. 2s and a load of cash?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
2006/
-Took S Michael Huff No. 7 overall. (Desperately wanted Vince Young, taken 3rd overall by Tennessee.) Bypassed QB Matt Leinart, probably a good thing.
-Passed on:
QB Jay Cutler (11);
DT Haloti Ngata (12);
G Davin Joseph (23), Pro Bowler last year for Tampa Bay.
WR Santonio Holmes (25).
-Took LB Thomas Howard No. 38 overall.
-Passed on:
C Nick Mangold (29);
DE Mathias Kiwanuka (32)… those darn Giants again;
LB DeMeco Ryans (33);
KR-WR Devin Hester (57)… how did Al miss this speed-burner?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
rackochyt,
where’s the proof for your argument? All I see is you blabbering on here. You mentioned there were “many instances”…all that I ask is one from you. It’s not too much to ask is it?
Oh BTW, I am doing just fine. I have a good wife. A great son. and I have saved enough money to take the next 4 years off to raise my son while supporting my wife’s med school and get a little golf in here and there. How is your life bro?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Tim Ryan stirred the pot… he said that Gruden is open to coming back to Oakland knowing Gruden personally, he doesnt know exactly what it would take him to get to come back but knows Gruden is willing to return to Oakland.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
2006, we took the best player at a position of need. Stuey and Gibson HAD to be addressed. None of those players you mention were top 10 prospects, and we had yet to see what we had in Andrew Walter.
Not quite sure how you consider us passing on guys who went before we drafted 29, 32, and 33 were all taken BEFORE we drafted at 38.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Most wide receivers take a year or three to jell.
Look for ours to start jelling next year. Our YOUNG roster may not be full of all pros but some will step up and some will be become great back ups, which you need to win in the NFL. Of course some wil be cut too.
QB’s are not always breed from day one. Sometimes they step up like my namesake.
Karma will turn and we will start winning again
October 16th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Kook,
The guys I thought were big time players were Nicks and Oher. They are both doign very well. They are ballers.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Richochet Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:23 am
In one study, 100 percent of those who committed murders involving rape or other sexual aspects had a history of cruelty to animals.
Almost 40 percent of animal abusers commit violent crimes against humans.
Sixty-three percent of men convicted of violent crimes admit to cruelty to animals.
Forty-eight percent of rapists and 30 percent of child molesters acknowledge episodes of cruelty to animals.
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Chew on that a little..
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Couldn’t agree more, Banana.
That fakeass interview Vick gave was pathetic.
He has shown zero remorse.
Only remorse he’s shown is having to sell his house, and not being able to wear his bling.
Anyone who deliberately hurts children or defenseless animals, IMO, should feel, 100 fold, exactly the pain they inflicted. Instead, some spineless worms will rush to cheer him because he can play a FREAKING GAME.
Spineless cowards cheer on people who torture all because that person can entertain them..the lowest of the low.
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he could probably hit murphy on an out route without overthrowing him. duck and dodge sacks without fumbling .
jamarcus russell should be locked up for cruelty to raider fans.
your tax dollars make worse criminals than michael vick wealthy just ask the 4,000+ family members of the kids who died in iraq who is a bigger criminal vick or bush and cheney.
washington is full of people who are cruel to humans and animals just to make a buck or should i say a whole lotta bucks.
i would take vick who has done his time and has learned his lesson. he may or may not be remorseful but he is done being cruel to dog’s either way. 2 years in prison handled that. JaPorkChop is still committing cruelty to raiders fan’s every sunday wheres are justice.
c’mon al trade for vick bring back bruce allen and gruden and then just step aside.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
as much as it would be nice, al davis won’t bring gruden back nor would gruden come back, i would love it though, chuckie was born to be a raider coach.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Jamarcus isn’t going anywhere. Might as well get used to it. Gruden will have to coach Russell if he comes back, which may be the best thing in the world for the kid and the team.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
2009/
-Took WR Darrius Heyward-Bey No. 7 overall.
-Passed on:
T Eugene Monroe (8);
DT B.J. Raji (9);
WR Michael Crabtree (10);
DE/LB Brian Orakpo (13);
LB Brian Cushing (15);
WR Jeremy Maclin (19);
WR Percy Harvin (22);
T Michael Oher (23);
WR Hakeem Nicks (29).
October 16th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
LOL!! Wow, who couldn’t sit back and wait a few months and/or years and second guess someone else’s guess? The draft is a complete crap shoot. No-one knows how these players are going to turn out coming out of college. There’s alot more busts than booms. For example, I’m sure everyone here knew Tom Brady was going to be a HOF QB coming out of college, right?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Plunketthead Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Most wide receivers take a year or three to jell.
Look for ours to start jelling next year. Our YOUNG roster may not be full of all pros but some will step up and some will be become great back ups, which you need to win in the NFL. Of course some wil be cut too.
QB’s are not always breed from day one. Sometimes they step up like my namesake.
Karma will turn and we will start winning again
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please don’t say karma we don’t want this owner’s karma
i agree with you on the wide recievers i think murphy and chaz are going to be good but i’m not sold on dhb if we gotta a guy like murphy in the fourth we should of passed on dhb and gotten some help on the o-line eugene monroe was available i believe.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
The Raider Research Project:
http://www.sbreport.net/the-raiders-research-project/raiders-trades
October 16th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Saturday 10-31-2009….The Return Of Chuckie!!!
Prolly NOT…just sounds good 4 Halloween,imo
October 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
honestly… thoughts of Gruden coming back is like having my girlfriend bring up the past… it is totally irrelevant! just waste of breath
October 16th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
raiderrej Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
tim ryan on knbr: “bruce allen would follow if gruden were to come back to oakland”
^^^^^^^Raider Nation should hope this happens…..otherwise there is NO hope for the Raiders ever getting better and getting back respectability
October 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Washington
Oakland
Buffalo
Jacksonville
MAYBE Dallas.
Those are most likely the only jobs open next year.
Holmgren – Washington
Shanny Rat
Gruden
Cowher
Dungy
Del Rio
One of these guys is going to have control of next year’s deep ass draft for us. Al has NO other play left. 2 more SBs, huh? Well he better get Gruden or Cowher’s ass out of the studio and back on the sideline!
October 16th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Do you think Cable could be a HC anywhere else?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
alisgod Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
rackochyt,
where’s the proof for your argument? All I see is you blabbering on here.
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AIG, that is all you EVER get from that stupid POS. His poorly formulated opinions, he has somehow convinced himself are facts. He’s a joke. A BAD joke, but a joke nonetheless.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Lets be honest, it was your local media Raider hater Nancy Gay and others that reported all these claims as fact. “the witnesses in the room agreed to Police that what Hanson had told them was fact”. On and on you all went.
When a first year Law student could have figured out if it was all as you people were reporting. That is what they call a slam dunk case and the DA would have made the charges long ago.
Now if the witnesses did not tell the police that it went down like Hanson claimed. And the DA did not have a slam dunk case or maybe even no case at all. It would take the DA some time before they came out with not charging Hanson.
The reason is the way that you all turned this into such a one sided Cable is a Felon type of a story. And every Raider Hater in the media ran with it. They would get down on their knees at night and pray for the day that Cable went down.
So the DA needs to make sure that they cross every T before telling the public that there will be no charges to cover their rumps.
Hansons story went from hands around his neck and having his head pushed into a wall so hard that his jaw was crushed with Cables other hand around his neck yelling I am going to kill you.
To now saying that Cable just put his hand on his shirt oe what ever he is now claiming. He and his lawyer have knew now for awhile that charges were not going to be brought and that is why the pressure using the media over the past few weeks.
The dude should be charged with blackmail. Only after Mr. Davis did not give into his demands was he willing to go after Cable.
You people need to wise up and know if Nancy Gay told you that it was raining out and it involved the Raiders that you should grab the sunscreen. And to think she received all her info from “inside sources”, what a joke.
Last as to Coopers rant with 30 sum year Raider Hater on the other side of the Bay. That is why the Raiders have never been able to play like Raiders.
No matter his talent on special teams the dude is a punk. He is why the Raiders were punked so much on the field, no character or loyalty and no heart. The dude looks to want to sell his soul to be able to try and find new work and make a buck.
You tell Al Davis that along with finding players with talent that he needs to get back to finding them with heart, courage, loyalty as well. The Raiders need to get back to finding street fighters like they use to have not many of the punks that they have collected over the years.
Not all, their are many on the Raiders that can play Raider football, there are just not enough. Dump the punks and boys and start bringing in more men. And tell Cable I have the faith in him that he will do what he said and put together a team that plays like the old Raiders, tough hard hitting football. Win or loose I am cool with that.
Keep playing the punks year after year with what turns the team into a soft football team and I am getting tired. After 30 sum years I can take the not winning, it is not winning with punks that is making me sick.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Al is a big believer in second chances. Thats why JR plays all year and better come to camp in great shape and a lot wiser.
You could say the same for Cable or Gruden for that matter.
I just kick back and enjoy the ride. Theres always something to talk about and someone to argue with when you are a Raider fan.
I have been screaming at Al on the boob tube for a long time now. It is a big part of my sickness
October 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
First off, I don’t care if Luke Lawton ever plays another down, All I ever see him do is drop passes and miss blocks. He couldn’t block me and I’m 50 years old.
Here’s a repost from yesterday, and It’s something I think we really could do:
Getting people to boycott a game is a pipe dream. No matter how bad the product is, those of us that have paid good money for tickets are going to use them. I think a more realistic idea is to boycott the 1st quarter. Show up like normal, enjoy your tailgate party and wait until the end of the first quarter to enter the stadium. Just consider it an “extended tailgate party”. I think the site of an empty stadium for just the 1st quarter, while people continue to party in the parking lot would be awesome. This will get the attention of the media,the network, the league, and maybe even the senile owner of our favorite team.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Hearing rumors that Raiders are interested in acquiring WR Josh Cribbs from Cleveland.
Think the deal might happen? Would it help the Raiders?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
raiderrej Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Do you think Cable could be a HC anywhere else?
^^^^^^Not in the NFL…not now….college maybe.
Hire Gruden and Bruce Allen or hire Cowher, Holmgren…..keep Cable as O-Line coach and draft some O-Line talent!
October 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
ATTENTION for those of you with an Al Davis problem (you know who you are)
Here are the first three steps to taking your life back from Al davis
I admit I am powerless over Al Davis that my life has become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore me to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn my life and will over to the care of God as we understood Him
October 16th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Jhill
I think Holmgren wants to stay in the bay.
I just hope theres only one team on his list.
He may be coaching from his couch.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
raiderrej Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Do you think Cable could be a HC anywhere else?
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NO WAY!!! HE COULD EVER BE A HEAD COACH ANYWHERE ELSE THIS IS OR SHOULD I SAY WAS HIS ONLY SHOT. AND HE BETTER GET THAT O-LINE PLAYING BETTER OR HE MAY NOT GET ANOTHER O-LINE JOB.
OR MAYBE HE’LL GET A PASS BECAUSE TEAMS WILL JUST EVALUATE HIM BASED ON BEING IN OAKLAND AND ONLY LOOK AT HIS PRE-OAKLAND DAY’S.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Sure Cable could and would be a HC on another team. Just look around the league. Jim Zorn was a QB’s coach. Mike Tomlin was a DB coach. The HC for TB was a DB coach. So why would it be difficult to believe that an O-line coach couldn’t get another shot at a HC job?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
What about the 08 draft? Trading for Hall cost us our 2nd RD pick.
Players who went in the 2nd:
Fraction Jackson.
E Royal
MLB Loffton
Johnson S from the Vikings. He had a great combine.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Raider75 Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Hearing rumors that Raiders are interested in acquiring WR Josh Cribbs from Cleveland.
Think the deal might happen? Would it help the Raiders?
^^^^^^In the grand scheme of things…..NO it won’t help….
October 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
First off, I don’t care if Luke Lawton ever plays another down, All I ever see him do is drop passes and miss blocks. He couldn’t block me and I’m 50 years old.
Here’s a repost from yesterday, and It’s something I think we really could do:
Getting people to boycott a game is a pipe dream. No matter how bad the product is, those of us that have paid good money for tickets are going to use them. I think a more realistic idea is to boycott the 1st quarter. Show up like normal, enjoy your tailgate party and wait until the end of the first quarter to enter the stadium. Just consider it an “extended tailgate party”. I think the site of an empty stadium for just the 1st quarter, while people continue to party in the parking lot would be awesome. This will get the attention of the media,the network, the league, and maybe even the senile owner of our favorite team.
^^^^^^^There are plenty of fans who are boycotting the Raiders now.
Thats why there are BLACKOUTS and many more to follow!
October 16th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
jhill Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Washington
Oakland
Buffalo
Jacksonville
MAYBE Dallas.
Those are most likely the only jobs open next year.
Holmgren – Washington
Shanny Rat
Gruden
Cowher
Dungy
Del Rio
One of these guys is going to have control of next year’s deep ass draft for us. Al has NO other play left. 2 more SBs, huh? Well he better get Gruden or Cowher’s ass out of the studio and back on the sideline!
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Throw the chargers in the mix as well. chargers will win 7 at best wont make the plaoffs, norv turner goes back to an OCO.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
snnyjcbs Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Lets be honest, it was your local media Raider hater Nancy Gay and others that reported all these claims as fact. “the witnesses in the room agreed to Police that what Hanson had told them was fact”. On and on you all went.
When a first year Law student could have figured out if it was all as you people were reporting. That is what they call a slam dunk case and the DA would have made the charges long ago.
Now if the witnesses did not tell the police that it went down like Hanson claimed. And the DA did not have a slam dunk case or maybe even no case at all. It would take the DA some time before they came out with not charging Hanson.
The reason is the way that you all turned this into such a one sided Cable is a Felon type of a story. And every Raider Hater in the media ran with it. They would get down on their knees at night and pray for the day that Cable went down.
So the DA needs to make sure that they cross every T before telling the public that there will be no charges to cover their rumps.
Hansons story went from hands around his neck and having his head pushed into a wall so hard that his jaw was crushed with Cables other hand around his neck yelling I am going to kill you.
To now saying that Cable just put his hand on his shirt oe what ever he is now claiming. He and his lawyer have knew now for awhile that charges were not going to be brought and that is why the pressure using the media over the past few weeks.
The dude should be charged with blackmail. Only after Mr. Davis did not give into his demands was he willing to go after Cable.
You people need to wise up and know if Nancy Gay told you that it was raining out and it involved the Raiders that you should grab the sunscreen. And to think she received all her info from “inside sources”, what a joke.
Last as to Coopers rant with 30 sum year Raider Hater on the other side of the Bay. That is why the Raiders have never been able to play like Raiders.
No matter his talent on special teams the dude is a punk. He is why the Raiders were punked so much on the field, no character or loyalty and no heart. The dude looks to want to sell his soul to be able to try and find new work and make a buck.
You tell Al Davis that along with finding players with talent that he needs to get back to finding them with heart, courage, loyalty as well. The Raiders need to get back to finding street fighters like they use to have not many of the punks that they have collected over the years.
Not all, their are many on the Raiders that can play Raider football, there are just not enough. Dump the punks and boys and start bringing in more men. And tell Cable I have the faith in him that he will do what he said and put together a team that plays like the old Raiders, tough hard hitting football. Win or loose I am cool with that.
Keep playing the punks year after year with what turns the team into a soft football team and I am getting tired. After 30 sum years I can take the not winning, it is not winning with punks that is making me sick.
^^^^^^Now it’s Coopers fault the Raiders are a JOKE??
It’s all starts at the top and guess who is at the top??
A crazy, stubborn, bitter, senile, egotistical old man who doesn’t know when it time for him to QUIT!
October 16th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Only way you get a “REAL” new coach in oakland if Mr. Davis says I will be hands off, and i will take off all 11 of the organizationa hats that I wear and hire someone for those jobs. Will the Raiders owner who is a ego maniac do it? Not saying Mr. Davis is not sharp or smart, its just that the game is not played in the 70’s….. We are breaking all kind of ineptness records, and it all starts at the top….
October 16th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Did we cut that clown Routt yet????Where’s Bowie when you need him?
October 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
# Raider75 Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Hearing rumors that Raiders are interested in acquiring WR Josh Cribbs from Cleveland.
Think the deal might happen? Would it help the Raiders?
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Josh Cribbs value is as a returner, Not a receiver.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Let’s make a move for Jon Kitna NOW!
October 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
DKnight007,
I agree with you that plenty of people are boycotting now, but a couple of hundred people sitting in the stands during the entire first quarter would send a message a lot better than 40,000 people sitting in the stands during the entire game. Just have an extended tailgate party and then come in when the score is 24-0 Eagles.
^^^^^^I see what your saying…..but why would people waste their time, money and energy?
I can just stay at home or go to buddys and BBQ and watch ALL the NFL games on the Sunday Ticket and not worry about giving any of money to Al Davis, when he doesn’t know how to spend it? Plus going to the games has been too depressing for too long…..then the drunk idiots don’t know how to act when the team gets their butts kicked. Bad environment….
That’s like giving your money to a crack head. LOL
October 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
DKnight007,
I agree with you that plenty of people are boycotting now, but a couple of hundred people sitting in the stands during the entire first quarter would send a message a lot better than 40,000 people sitting in the stands during the entire game. Just have an extended tailgate party and then come in when the score is 24-0 Eagles.
October 16th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Did you guys see Danny “Hammer Head” Clark still playing last week?
October 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing Marty as our new coach, but it will never happen.
October 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
The Youth Movement has destroyed this team for several years now. Yet those that whined and begged for this are now complaining that we’re not winning. How can we when we don’t have one proven player on offense, not one. There all young and hungry, right. Isn’t that what most here were saying. We need some young hungry players. What bull. We just needed to reload with some high calber proven veteran players. It certainly worked for us in the past and has definitely worked for the Pats for several years. The Pats just signed a 40 year old LB who is probably better than any of the young hungry LB’s on our rodter. Oh but we’re in the Youth Movement, blah, blah, blah. How’s that Youth Movement been working?
October 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
DKnight007,
I’m with you, I’m not suggesting anyone go out and buy a ticket just to boycott. I’m suggesting that those of us not smart enough to have cancelled our season tickets, should boycott. I will not ever pay another penny to see this crap.
October 16th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Has anybody picked up Oren O’Neal or do the Raiders retain his rights? Not that it matters this season.
October 16th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
DKnight007,
I’m with you, I’m not suggesting anyone go out and buy a ticket just to boycott. I’m suggesting that those of us not smart enough to have cancelled our season tickets, should boycott. I will not ever pay another penny to see this crap.
^^^^^^^Honestly, the Raiders need to consider signing Vick next year IF they don’t draft someone like Clausen or Locker, which I doubt.
I think Clausen is going to be a solid NFL QB eventually.
October 16th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Plunketthead Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Vick is too old, we have not seen him play for two years and we would have to make the system fit him.
I think he is a longshot
^^^^^^Vick will probably be able to make more plays than Russell. They need an insurance policy ASAP, in case Russell fails and continues to stuggle and all signs point to him continuing to struggle…..ESPECIALLY with this offensive coaching staff and LOW percentage pass play calling.
October 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Vick is too old, we have not seen him play for two years and we would have to make the system fit him.
I think he is a longshot
October 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
And patchwork O-Line!
What a lousy job drafting by the old man this past year…..you draft a QB 3 years ago and never look to get him significant line help.
Monroe would have been a great pick last year and he would haev started at LT or RT with Henderson playing the opposite tackle position.
Some of you morons said last year said…..”Al Davis will not draft a RT with a top 10 pick”
Yeah….but he reaches and drafts a mid to late round WR, instead of drafting a bigger need and a higher rated player like Monroe or doing the wise and smart thing and trading down to get DHB…..
Utter stupidity…..
October 17th, 2009 at 12:06 am
Just for farts and giggles, here’s who I wanted in the first two rounds of the NFL draft going back to 2004.
2004 Draft – I was ok with Gallery because OL picks that high pan out about 50% of the time, which is considered good. Ben Roethlisberger, Fitzgerald or Tommie Harris was the right pick. I wanted Michael Boulware in the second round which might be a push with Grove (although I hate a weakling center)
2005 – Aaron Rodgers was who I would have liked. I was shocked that we picked a smallish corner but no one else really jumped out at the time. Luis Castillo was one who would have been nice. I wanted Odell Thurman in the 2nd even though he was risky. I haven’t really followed his career since so I’mnot sure how that turned out. I do know that Stanford Routt pretty much sucks.
2006 – Haloti Ngata. I was hopping mad we didn’t pick Ngata and couldn’t believe we pick another safety that high after passing on Ed Reed for Napoleon Harris (which is probably the dumbest of all these missteps)! Huff, of course is a bust. How do you spell Texas inthe NFL? S-O-F-T. I was screaming that we didn’t pick Marcus McNeil in the second. How could Al pass on this massive tackle for a linebacker!? Don’t do break character now ffs!!!
2007 – Calvin Johnson. Kiffin was right, we should have taken Johnson. I wanted Johnson and Edwards, over Jabustus. I really wanted Tony Ugoh in the second round but Zack Miller was the better pick (even though our line still is pathetic).
October 18th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I’ve been a Raider since Tom Flores was our quarterback. Every week we have to play a football team and a team of mafia gambling officials. Al should give back the twenty million to the nfl and maybe we can start winning again. Some players that can hang onto the ball would also help. Someone needs to tell Russel that he can’t stand there like a big retarded dummy when four defenders are flying at him trying to kill him.