The play-calling myth
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, October 17th, 2009 at 3:36 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Madden generation (the video game, not the coach) has created a nation of experts.
An offense struggling to the degree the Raiders are in 2009 has many culprits, but the prevailing opinion seems to be that if Tom Cable was a play-calling wizard, things would be much different.
Could be, but the Raiders have had a lot of experience at changing play-callers over the past six years and the upgrades have been minimal.
The last time the Raiders had a successful play-caller for more than 20 consecutive games was Jon Gruden from 1998 through 2001.
Gruden put the passing plays on a call sheet, line-coach and offensive coordinator Bill Callahan contributed the runs, and Gruden put them in sequence and called plays during the game, relaying them to the quarterback.
It’s worth remembering that a lot of Raiders fans were unhappy with Gruden’s conservatism, given his penchant avoiding turnovers and sacks at all costs, even if it meant more short passes than fans would like.
When Gruden left, Callahan made Marc Trestman his offensive coordinator and instructed him to implement a pass-heavy attack that basically entrusted the offense to the accuracy and game management skills of Rich Gannon.
The result was an AFC championship, although the Raider’ official line is they’d prefer you focus on the five interceptions in the Super Bowl.
Since then, it’s been a revolving door of play-callers.
When the Raiders struggled during the 2003 season, Callahan stripped Trestman of the play-calling duties and did it himself, although it was never quite clear when it happened. The result was a 4-12 record.
Norv Turner called plays for two years as head coach and was fired after a 9-23 record.
Since then, the Raiders have had the following play-callers:
Year, play-caller, (W-L), ypg, ppg
2006 Tom Walsh 2-10, 245.0 ypg, 12.1 pgg
2006 John Shoop 0-4, 249.8 ypg, 5.5 pgg
07-08 Lane Kiffin 5-15, 297.5 17.8 ppg
2008 Greg Knapp 1-3, 220.5 ypg, 7.3 ppg
08-09 Tom Cable 3-10, 246.2 ypg, 15.7 ppg
Walsh, the most ridiculed of all the play-callers because of his absence from the sport since 1994 and the butt of bed and breakfast jokes, didn’t fare much better or worse than the rest.
Shoop immediately installed the secondary routes and safety-valve passes Walsh’s offense lacked, reduced the number of seven-stop drops, but the result was fewer points per game and four straight losses.
Kiffin’s reluctance to play JaMarcus Russell sooner and concession that he didn’t have enough talent to open things up was one of the many factors which led to his dismissal by Al Davis.
Knapp was of the belief Davis dropped the hammer on him as well, knowing he wasn’t under contract and would likely be coaching in Seattle the following season.
Cable’s offense seemed to hit somewhat of a stride last season with four straight 300-plus yard games, but is presently at rock bottom with four games under 200 yards.
Asked whether he has considering relinquishing play-calling duties, ostensibly to passing game coordinator Ted Tollner or quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett, Cable’s contention is that the problem isn’t the plays that are called, but the execution of those plays.
You can call for all the screens you want, but if your quarterback can’t throw the pass well, it doesn’t do a lot of good. Punch in the perfect pass pattern, and if your receiver can’t hold on to the ball, it’s useless. That first-and-10 run off tackle is a hell of a play if it gains five yards, ridiculously uncreative if stopped for no gain.
As good as the Raiders were in 2002, it wasn’t Trestman’s play-calling that put up all the points. It was Gannon, who was properly trained to come to the line of scrimmage, get the Raiders out of a bad play and into a better one, and execute it properly.
Just like Peyton Manning does in Indianapolis, Drew Brees does in New Orleans and Donovan NcNabb will do Sunday in the Coliseum for the Eagles, just to name three of the NFL’s elite quarterbacks.
Yes, play-calling is an important skill for an offensive coordinator, but it pales in comparison of being able to properly coach a team during the week to run whatever plays that are called with precision and teach the quarterback to see when a play is destined for disaster and switch to a new one.
The Giants beat the Raiders 44-7 last week running the same kinds of plays the Raiders would like to run with Russell. It’s no accident Davis had Kevin Gilbride as a finalist for his job along with Cable.
If the Raiders slide continues and Davis were to convince Gilbride to take over next year, he’ll fare no better than Cable if he doesn’t have the right players and can’t do enough good work Wednesday, Thursday and Friday to make himself look like a good play-caller on Sunday.
O’Neal on injured reserve
Fullback Oren O’Neal cleared waivers and was placed on injured reserve, where he can stay the rest of the season unless he receives an injury settlement and becomes a free agent.
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October 17th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
go Raiders
October 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
excellent post Jerry,but i’m sure many will come here and complain about you being a hater again.speaking of which,it’s pretty humorous that some on here constantly call those that point out negatives about the team haters,yet these same people spend hours on here doing nothing but hating on the owner and the players.isn’t there a word for that?
October 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Crude Earl,
JaMarcus Russell is Al Davis’ project. Davis made the draft pick and Davis supports him 100%. In fact, its not a reach to say that if you don’t support Russell…then you don’t support Davis.
Since you place a lot of faith in Davis….why don’t you just sit down and let them work it out!
October 17th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
You Al Davis experts should understand that he believes in a vertical game offensively. Davis believes that a QB should be able to kill you with all the throws.
Davis doesn’t want to see sideways QBs like Gradkowski, McCown or even Brady Quinn go out there and lose games too.
Davis is right on with this one. Is the situation ideal? No. But its worth working through it.
So support your owner and support the QB and hope that they get this thing worked out.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Crude Earl Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Yeah I’m wrong….his stats and weekly performance prove how wrong I am….Gannon’s wrong too….so is Norman (Boomer) Esiason….everybody’s wrong but you idiots that forked out the cash for his jerseys. Hell, Andrew Walter is All Pro compared to this chump.
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Al Davis is the one that calls the shots here. Not Esiason or Gannon. Davis recognizes the challenges and is willing to stick with Russell….so deal with it.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams….you talking about what other people understand is hilarious… it’s is blatantly obvious what you are unable to understand and Football stands out most….. For you to even guess at what I support is a total reach for you so don’t even try….your not even close junior.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Junior? LOL
October 17th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Crude Earl,
You think football is just like making instant oatmeal. It sometimes takes more than just adding water.
Russell is the QB. Deal with it!
October 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
So Jerry…
What your saying is Cable’s play calling isn’t what sucks, but instead, its that he sucks as a coach during the week and doesn’t have his players ready to execute those plays on Sunday.
So there are two things going around…
1. Cable sucks as a play caller and doesn’t have the Xs & Os knowledge to give the Raiders a chance.
2. Cable sucks as a coach and can’t teach his players how to properly execute plays.
So either way, Cable sucks.
Nice work Jerry. We know Cable sucks so arguing over how he sucks doesn’t really accomplish much.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Al Davis is not stupid (he maybe losing a little due to age but still aces over most of you dunderheads) so when he watches the games and sees JaPorkchop run the wrong plays into the on waiting defenses without an audible into the right play it won’t take him long to correct his mistake…..he doesn’t have the luxury of time like he did with other scholarship players….he wants to win.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Kelly and Warren are our DTs-just deal with it.when you support someone we are told to just deal with it.when you don’t like someone we have to listen to you complain day after day after day………..
October 17th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
what Jerry is saying is because of the QB he can’t properly call the game or get the team ready during the week due to the QBs limitations.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
WoW Jerry Thanks for helping me try to make my point to these experts.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams…does your mommy still make your oatmeal ????
October 17th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
JaBustus is large in stature but small in brain power. An NFL QB needs to be a real field General. We just happen to have a Corporal. He may evolve one day to a Sergeant but that’s a long ways from General which is what is required. He may have a big cannon of an arm but if he can’t hit anything with it consistent;y, what good is it?
Let me introduce you to JaBustus (our own Ryan Leaf) Russell; the man without a brain.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
JB was obviously never in the military….a Corporal is a NCO (non-commisioned officer) that gives orders…JaPorkus is a private at best and may make it someday to private first class but I doubt it.
JaCarcus will always be a messenger boy never the one who actually writes the message
October 17th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
the Eagles are gonna line up w/ 3 Wr’s and whoever is covered by Routt is gonna be the Hot read.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Davis has strangled the life out of this organization. It’s time for a breath of fresh air. New structure, accountability, a legit reputable GM and disciplinarian HC, the “owner” (whether it’s Al or someone else) responsible just for financials and keeping their noses out of football operations because it’s patently clear Davis has very little nous anymore in that area. His drafting, his neglect of the OL, his love-affair with “big arm” which sees him waste $40m on a bust who everyone saw coming. So many red flags on Russell pre-draft and even post-draft, it’s a wonder how anyone would draft Russell.
Davis isn’t much chop without Tom Wolf. Davis himself reminds me of a horse racing gambler. He falls in love with specimens or likes the name of a horse or a horse reminds him of some other horse as the driving factor of which horses he bets on. Very superficial level of understanding and is wrong more often than right—naturally.
Whereas you have actual X&O students and deep thinking strategist HCs/GMs out there, like Bill Polian, for instance, or Parcells, or Newsome, or Rex Ryan, or Mike Holmgren, or Bill Belichick, etc, who understand “football” at a deeper level than Davis.
Davis thinks he’s Paul Brown or something. Paul Brown is a god. Davis is just a hard-nosed businessman, that’s all, who fell into football as a way to make money. But his much lauded grasp of football is superficial.
Davis talks about patience. Pfft. Where’s the patience with former HCs? Mentions some historical QBs, like Bradshaw and how he got benched before he could develop. Well, where’s Russell’s benching? Did Davis not “bench” Kiffin as play-caller, then “bench” Knapp, etc.
Davis sets up a structure where the players can mail it in, can ignore the HC, there’s dissaray in the org and confusion among staff/coaches/players, where HCs can’t make decisive decisions (not that you’d want Cable to have that power anyway, cos he’s no HC material).
Davis is clearly ruining this organization and fanbase in order to take the team to LA, to give him a reason to take it to LA—-citing poor attendances and the city’s inability to fund a stadium.
I could keep writing a lot more, and citing more good points and observations, but I’ll save it for future posts, rather than one long novel.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
there are two things i dont get
1. why doesnt jamarcus have the one of those playbook armbands and
2. we have to have at least 20 guys on the team that run a sub 4.4 40 why dont we have any of them try to return punts and kicks routte and dhb arent doing much else and dmac wasnt doing too much before he got hurt
October 17th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
thank God 4 usc
October 17th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
many of you hoped for BQuinn or CalvinFreak. No Super Bowl berths there. many of you clamoured for DMc. can’t even stay on the field healthy. when JRuss is squirming on his back after another fumble or sack y’all claim it is AD having no clue.
now tell me, baby GMs and draft experts, other than drafting linemen with every single pick (which I perpetually advocate), which clue is missing? yours or AD’s?
October 17th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Any GM/HC who ignores drafting and pumping young OLmen thru the roster annually to increase it’s standard, has very little understanding of football.
No one’s saying “draft OL every single pick”, never intimated that. Exaggeration and putting words in mouths. Look at Davis’ actions for truth—how many linemen drafted in the last 7 or so years? And you gripe about how poor our OL/DL/LB is, citing it as reason for our offensive and rush-D woes.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
wait i just checked our roster what happened to all the fast guys davis drafted we only have a couple left i cant believe almost none of them are on our team anymore oh wait they werent good
October 17th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
I would take Quinn.
He had a 60% completion ratio against 3 of the best defenses in the NFL (Vikings, Broncos, and Ravens) even with no running game and no TE.
He would be winning in Oakland with a balanced, ball control, short passing game that works.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
GG….you’re so full of yourself it’s frightening hilarious….you speculate and speak as if it were fact when in reality you don’t know beans from apple butter…..you will never know the X&O’s Al Davis does and don’t even pretend you know others that do….your a smartest guy in the room wannabe….period….The Raiders winning means more to Al Davis than anything and your grand conspiracy theory about setting up the organization to fail on purpose for ulterior motives is a crock of $hit…what are you smoking…..take it somewhere else.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Hey GG… pretend Raider fan and all around Football expert…..tell us all about the ZBS and it advantages in selecting and drafting Offensive Linemen….come on tell us all about it….dazzle us with some more of your brilliance
October 17th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
When Tom Wolf was working here, we had great drafts, we didnt neglect the OL/DL/LB. Because he was the brains and Al hired him for his brains.
When Tom Wolf left, Davis has been relying on himself like he thinks he learned something from Wolf, but he doesnt have the brain/perception of Wolf himself, so he’ll always mess up something even when he’s trying to “copy” Wolf’s ways.
Like Wolf said, QB is everything to a team…so Davis in his post-Wolf days thinks “OH I must draft QB then, like Tom would, BUT I’ll think the best QB is a big arm with a dozen red flags on his character, attitude, motivation, weight, etc because big arm “imo” is what matters more than the intangibles and leadership.” That whole ’specimen’ thing.
You need athletes sure in the NFL, it’s always getting faster stronger taller. But Davis annually 80% hits the prospect with more athleticism than football skill.
Kiffin drafted O’Neal, M.Bush, Z.Miller. Davis drafted Russell, Bowie, Holland, etc. I dont like Kiffin btw, but just showing how poor Al’s scouting is. Pure specimen.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Im full of myself? Lol. Throw your faith in Al “worm in the apple” Davis then, and take your ostrich head out of the sand and see yourself what Al’s decisions, scouting and practices have resulted in post-Allen/Gruden/Wolf. He has run the org into the ground, it’s a laughing stock. Look at the clusterfck of PR embarrassments, eg, Gannon one of late. Paranoia and inflated self-worth. All this annual talk of bringing the Raider greatness back are empty platitudes.
Davis needs true tacticians and X&O GMs/HCs to make his team any good. He is not Paul Brown. Just a 1960’s version of a Jerry Jones.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
hey GG prove your accusations….all speculation…the smartest guy in the room syndrome….but all BS….pure and simple….you weren’t there in the war room on draft day and Russell was the overwhelming selection for the #1 overall pick …there were those that were morons like your and speculating Davis wouldn’t take Russell and were criticizing him for it….you a 20 / 20 hindsight genius a tuesday morning QB….all the answers after the fact.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
lefty12 Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Kelly and Warren are our DTs-just deal with it.when you support someone we are told to just deal with it.when you don’t like someone we have to listen to you complain day after day after day………..
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At least I want to see all of our players successfull. Resorting to childish name calling to describe OUR players.
I find it interesting that you guys are so passionate in your defense of all things Al Davis…but have nothing but unyielding vitrol for his most important decision (the QB) that he’s made.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
GG ….yo Einstein…..it’s Al Davis’ team….Period
So deal with what he does or find another team to be the all knowing expert about…it’s that simple….This is still the United States and the Raiders are his propety…he’s the majority owner….so he can do what he wants….Period….nobody is forcing you to follow the Raiders….go elsewhere!
October 17th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I dont have to prove my “accusations” because the burden of proof is already there….Davis, the state of the Raiders, Davis actual comments and actions, problems inside the org, Moss wanting out, the 7 HCs in 7 year syndrome, the post-Gruden/Allen/Wolf years, etc etc etc.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Crude Earl Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
GG ….yo Einstein…..it’s Al Davis’ team….Period
So deal with what he does or find another team to be the all knowing expert about…it’s that simple….This is still the United States and the Raiders are his propety…he’s the majority owner….so he can do what he wants….Period….nobody is forcing you to follow the Raiders….go elsewhere
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Exactly. And the Owner picked Russell and is sticking with him. Said so publicly. So get behind your team and your Quarterback
October 17th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
No you go elsewhere, I support the Raiders. Not Al Davis. It’s like Im American, I love America. But George Bush was just a president of it.
Sounds like when Davis is gone, YOU will want to leave and follow another team because you can no longer live in Al’s underwear drawer.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Crude Earl Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
GG ….yo Einstein…..it’s Al Davis’ team….Period
So deal with what he does or find another team to be the all knowing expert about…it’s that simple….This is still the United States and the Raiders are his propety…he’s the majority owner….so he can do what he wants….Period….nobody is forcing you to follow the Raiders….go elsewhere!
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hey there old man nice too see ya !!!!!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Why didn’t you all get behind George Bush and “the team” during the embarrassment and larceny of the Bush Adminstration?
We all only want the team (america) to be better, and that meant (and means) the ‘president’ getting the hell out of the mess they created, stepping down, moving aside.
Al “George Bush” Davis is no different. Davis isnt bigger than the Raiders. Like Brown wasnt bigger than the Browns/Bengals. etc. It’s people who contributed to the orgs in their time. Who have contributed to the Raiders isnt just Davis and Davis alone.
All our success was achieved ALSO with great input/influence from hundreds of players and administrators and coaches. Not this false notion of “one man”.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Sorry, Jerry, the play calling sucks. Watch the Miami Dolphins sometime, or Boise State even
October 17th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
No… You support your selfish little notions of what you want the Raiders to be for you…..you have loyalty to a team concept you want something to brag about to your little buddies….You’ve never put forth risk or poured your heart and soul into a venture like Al Davis has in the Raiders….The Raiders are his life and his legacy…It his team, he earned it, and he don’t really care that Pissants like you are disappointed….He wants to win as much as anybody….but self centered, instant gratification turds like you always know more and better ….quick GG tell us about your legacy and the mark you’ve made in the world….tell us about the legions of fans you have that follow and bask in the glory of all your successes and victories.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Patched up o line and no FB’s.
Alston looked decent filling for Brown at SLB last week…
Center is a major concern.Satele is worse than Grove it seems…
Walker MIGHT see action. If he catches a few passes early, guaranteed, they pull him…
Get in the END ZONE ALOT!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
GG you obviously know even less about politics than you do football … give up on the weak and flawed analogies…they really show your ignorance
October 17th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Mods of this site censoring posts lol.
How am I to reply to a thick-head like Crude Earl then?
October 17th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Tried to post a reply several times but it wont post tho it says it’s “posted”.
Censored.
Anyway, pointless given it’s replying to Crude Earl, who will only just keep sniffing the underwear he lives inside and wont smell the coffee instead.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
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October 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Crude Earl, don’t even bother with GG. I doubt he was even born during time period he is supposedly so knowledgeable about. (If he was, maybe he know it was Ron Wolf not “Tom Wolf” – whoever that is.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Has anybody heard who the Raiders might be trying to trade?
October 17th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Ron Wolf! Tom Wolf author im reading at the moment.
Not like Lance Kiffin vs Lane Kiffin tho haha.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Play calling is not an issue. The issue is the Qb is plain & simple a disaster on every level. If your Qb sucks & your O-line isnt great nothing else really matters.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Anyway, you know who I meant, and my points remain valid.
I clearly delivered the hammer and you nails got pounded like ostriches burying their heads in the sand.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Who drafted JaMarcus Russell?
Who is insisting he plays at all costs?
October 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Don’t flatter yourself…GG….if you can’t post past the Mods ….you couldn’t have had anything worth acknowledging… run along GG you’re dismissed
October 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Fact is the Raiders gave up on Andrew Walter to soon. But you guys don’t like sticking with anything longer than a 30 minute sit-com.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
GeeGee,
to wish to put words in someone’s mouth presupposes that anyone cares in the slightest about that someone’s existence. I seriously doubt that is the case with your comments as if anyone actually has a care about what you have to write.
That is perhaps otherwise known as perspective.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
K.I.S.S. approach is always good. But there’s a problem with being too simplistic or simple too.
Davis’ “coaching” resume/nous is very thin. Back in the day when you dropped back 7 and threw the ball downfield as a bread and butter, and minimal blitzing all-man coverage, about athletes and physicality at the time, man beating a man.
Football hasn’t changed completely, where this done as a variety wont work. But as a bread and butter it’s antiquated because modern football has changed….despite the increase in athletic prowess the game has far more tactical layers today than before. Specialist players have evolved and there’s more of them now, like scat backs for instance.
There’s more formations and evolution of formations (offensive and defensive). With certain rule changes making the game softer and also more pass-happy, there’s more nuance with subtle formation wrinkles. Look at the evolution of the 3-4 for instance. The spread, WCO, wildcat, motions and fake blitz techniques etc.
If you’re gonna run a very simple gameplan as Davis wants, you cant also rely on Davis himself as the tyrannical X&O man and scout as well. Not when he isn’t a cutting edge actual coach. Just some businessman who had a formula of success in the 70s and stubbornly thinks he knows it all and he’s always right.
Coaches these days are far more burdened with more tactical knowledge needed to be able to run a “modern” football team—where complexity and wrinkles are needed in order to keep up with the “joneses”, the other successful cutting-edge teams.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Only have to look at Sean Payton’s playbook to comprehend how much the modern game (coaching) has to be more complex and wrinkles in each facet of that complexity.
N.O is doing well because….a) they have an owner who keeps his nose out of football, b) they have a GM and HC who are the football think-tank, c) they draft and acquire intelligently, d) their actual playbooks are modernized, incorporating many different facets, e) etc.
They may not win a SB this year or ever. But the point is that kind of structure is what’s needed these days.
Sure you have to hire the RIGHT GMs and HCs. If you hire bad ones or noobs (like Dominik in Tampa Bay) then you’re gonna be handicapped too. But the important thing is putting in place a STRUCTURE that fosters success and improvement and is modernized to meet the demands of modern football.
I’m all for mom and pop stores in the modern world of tasteless corporations. But you can also go too far the old-school way too.
If Davis continues to own the team is not a problem. Only if he tyrannically controls every facet of it. But if he can step back, be just an owner, money-man, and cede control of football operations to GM/HC like a Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren, Newsome, Polian, Parcells, etc type reputable X&O men and proven GMs, and then let that group grow and be stable together over the course of 5-10 years, then the Raiders will find winning ways and more seasonal success (be it W-L record only, more playoffs, a L.Hunt C.Game, or even a Superbowl). But it wont suffer thru the 2-14 type on and off-field embarrassments that have highlighted the post-Gruden/Allen years when Al closed himself off with yes-men and tyrannical control of football operations.
His problem is he’s a megolomaniac and just cant live with other people getting credit. What a baby!
October 17th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Our problem begins and ends with the O-line. The ZBS is weak and therefore so are we.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
We are screwed inside our own 20yd line and inside the opponents 20yd line because of it.
Fargas can gain 1,000yds between the 20’s because of it, but when it comes to tough yards he scores once every 5 years or more.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
play calling will always stink when you can’t block or complete a pass
October 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
imo, i would entertain trade proposals for nmandi, why would we need high priced talent for at least another 2yr. rebuild mode we’re heading in. in an ideal situation it’ll at least interest some gm or top tier coach to have a grip of picks upcoming yr. when we already have an extra 3rd i believe.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Whoever is responsible for “fitness” or whatever you want to call it that helps you to avoid injuries or helps you recover more quickly and completely needs to be upgraded as well because we seem to be always dealing with injuries to guys we can least afford to lose.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Oh you all care, because you read what I write, and deep down you know there’s a lot of truth to what I say, and want to retort with straw-man arguments or ad hominem comments.
You can window-dress it all you like for the sake of blog appearances, like you know more about football/etc than someone else….you accuse me of that, but that’s what you guys are doing too. But deep down you all know the truth but a lot are still deluded.
I backed Al post-Gruden. Give him a year or two to get sorted. Then out of weakness for tolerance, one gives Davis another year or two. But now, 8 years of embarrassment on and off-field is proof in the pudding. You can all go back and list the litany of things that highlight everything im saying. It’s all there in history. Not embellishments, they’re recorded.
The burden of proof is there. I make no accusations! There’s a difference between hearing and listening. Between looking and seeing. Many of you are still deluded, still tolerant, and especially in times of utter hopelessness people’s base instinct is inflate with unfounded hope and optimism.
Like how many were saying last week, “you watch, Raiders 27-Giants 24″ or “bookmark it, Raiders to turn it around against the Gints”. Etc.
I dont mean to come off superior to anyone. Take it more like someone trying to nudge someone awake because he once was asleep and deluded too. Just trying to help my brothers out! WAKE UP.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
If we trade Nnamdi it would give Al a good reason to draft a CB with the 1st Round pick next draft.
I think it’s probably a done deal now.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
nmandi warrants at least a 1 and a 3 in next yr’s draft.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Play calling is not an issue. The issue is the Qb is plain & simple a disaster on every level.
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So then, the rookie WR’s have met expectations, the running backs have contributed on a substantial level and the offensive line is beyond reproach??? Oh and let’s not forget that the defense has done it’s job. Is this guy a complete moronic tool or what?? Missed-a-brain, try stamp collecting. NFL football is clearly waaaaay beyond your mental capacity.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Erik Pears – Chris Morris – Cornell Green – Samson Satele – Cooper Carlisle!
Ricky Brown, Kirk Morrison, John Alston, Hiram Eugene, Stanford Routt.
It’s not that hard folks. 5 starting Oline guys who can’t execute and get penalties on top of it puts the offense in a lot of 3rd and 10’s and longer. Recipe for nothing but 3 and outs. WRs CONSTANTLY dropping pass after pass and running bad routes. A coach who keeps calling timing plays with those same WRs. A coach who REFUSES to get Bush going with 2 TE or 3 WR sets.
Just like Gallery and Huff, Russell is going to be just fine.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I’d be careful about using the Panthers and Redskins offenses as a lynchpin for ZBS success.
I believe it was Houston who failed to score at the goal-line last Sunday.
Jennings is crying about Rodgers being unable to get him the ball because he has no time in the pocket.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Yeah nobody has success with the Zone Blocking System
Why do the Packers Panthers Broncos Texans Redkins and Falcons waste their time with it….Maybe the Raiders can’t score in the Red Zone because the opposing teams can load the box against the run and not have to worry about an effective passing game because the QB is an idiot and his play selection is limited.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Play calling…the mantra of the Moronic….play calling doesn’t amount to squat if they’re not executed properly….Just what percentage of the playbook do you think Cable can use with that imbecile JaMeatloaf at QB??? Unlike JaPorkchop the opposing teams look at films….how long does it take opposing defenses to figure out what the Raiders are doing???
How do you successfully execute a play when the opposing defense knows what you’re doing a majority of the time??? How can Cable or any coach for that matter put together an effective gameplan with the limited amount of plays JaCarcus understands???? yeah Morons blame it all on play calling….
October 17th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
You keep talking about the ZBS. WTF difference does the scheme make when the C is 2 yds in the backfield breaking up our run plays? I mean, who’s paying the guy us or them?
WTF difference does the ZBS make when Pears lets his guy get past him UNTOUCHED time and time again?
WTF difference does the ZBS have to do with the false starts and holding calls?
Cmon!
October 17th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Erik Pears – Chris Morris – Cornell Green – Samson Satele – Cooper Carlisle!
That’s the reason the Raiders can’t score in the Red zone, plus they don’t give Michael Bush the ball enough and Russell hasn’t delivered what he owes, if he can.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Idiots still don’t get it…it doesn’t matter what superstar Offensive line you put together…. if the opposing team knows the plays and tendencies and can stack the line and not fear the pass you can’t run the ball….period
October 17th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Yeah and it sounds like you’re the one randomly testing the drugs…hourly
October 17th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
jhill Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
You keep talking about the ZBS. WTF difference does the scheme make…
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we don’t draft REAL Olinemen because they aren’t system fits for the ZBS so we are stuck with a bunch of guys who get cut from the other half dozen teams that are stupid enough to utilize it.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Teams load the box because that is the style they play week in and week out. It’s amazing how some of you consider a 3-4 look with 7 guys actually on the LOS “crowding the box”. Ever since the the KC game, Zack Miller is being taken out of the game with a S playing over the top of him. That is your crowded box. Geeze. A simple adjustment by Cable could attack that really easily.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
jhill Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Teams load the box because that is the style they play week in and week out. It’s amazing how some of you consider a 3-4 look with 7 guys actually on the LOS “crowding the box”. Ever since the the KC game, Zack Miller is being taken out of the game with a S playing over the top of him. That is your crowded box. Geeze. A simple adjustment by Cable could attack that really easily
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not if 3 or 4 of those guys are getting to the QB in 1.5 to 2 seconds.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Beef up the Oline, use 2 TE’s, pound Bush at them all across the middle to wear them out, run McFadden around the ends to tire them out, and let Chaz or Murphy or DHB or Higgins run deep on play action.
At least that would give the young guys some useful experience other than embarassing 3 and outs.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Let see … What happened last week.
Raiders come out and promptly give up a long opening drive for a TD.
Offense gets on the field …
1st dn, nice run to Bush for 7 yds
2nd dn … uppppp penalty on the Oline making it 2nd and 8 instead of 2nd and 3
2nd dn, completion to Murphy
3rd dn Watkins drops the ball.
Next thing we know, down 14-0.
LMFAO at the QB being the reason. And really LMFAO at what comes next with the “Yeah, well, the team quit after week 1″ … Ha !!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Penalties must be elimated for sure
October 17th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Raiders get the ball back after going down 14-0 ….
Russell misses over the middle on 1st dn.
Bush runs for 4 yds on 2nd dn.
On 3rd and 6, Russell hits Miller for a 5yd gain. No commentary on Miller running a 5yd patter on 3rd and 6?
LMFAO!
October 17th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
There was a lot more ugliness after 14-0 that shows there is a whole lot wrong with this team.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Of course we go down 21-0 on the Giants next drive with the famous 55yd screen play on THIRD AND 24!!!!! And we all saw CJ and his WTF play following that screen for the TD that made it 21-0.
And anyone telling me that ONE GUY is the differnce between that screen play being stopped for a short gain and 55 yds needs to pass the fire!
October 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
If you hire a bunch of blind people to be architects you cant then berate them for being incapable of drawing diagrams. Look to the boss who continually hires cheap untalented OLmen.
If you hire a shill coach with very little acumen/experience in Head Coaching and play-calling, and hire him to just run what you want run, then you cant berate him for having his hands-tied and being incapable. Look to the boss who continually hires puppets and insists on his own limited system being run.
All the woes mentioned, causes for Raiders performing badly….everything from poor OL play, poor QB, rookie WRs, poor DL/LB, and limited unimaginative offensive and defensive play-calling, etc….the root of it all is Al Davis’ tyrannical structure.
The Raiders have enough actual player talent that if you took that roster to New Orleans or Giants or Jets or Falcons to be coached and administrated under THEIR adminstration, they would get far more production out of them, their team would be 3-2 or 4-1 now, or if 1-4 or 2-3, there wouldnt be the blow outs and uncompetitiveness that the Raiders have seen.
And, beyond that, it wouldn’t take long before the HC/GMs of those orgs started cutting basket-case players and acquiring better ones (not pure athletes).
October 17th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
nmandi warrants at least a 1 and a 3 in next yr’s draft.
why, so Al can draft more busts!!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
And, beyond that, it wouldn’t take long before the HC/GMs of those orgs started cutting basket-case players and acquiring better ones (not pure athletes).
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I agree with that.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Crude Earl Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
GG ….yo Einstein…..it’s Al Davis’ team….Period
So deal with what he does or find another team to be the all knowing expert about…it’s that simple….This is still the United States and the Raiders are his propety…he’s the majority owner….so he can do what he wants….Period….nobody is forcing you to follow the Raiders….go elsewhere
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See??
That’s what happens when you get old as sin, you become weak, pathetic, and a lemming.
When you get wimpy Earl’s age, what matters is timely Depends changes, no loud noices, regular naps, and rousing games of Bingo.
See, what some of you might not know is Geritol Earl already stated he’s not a real fan, he’s a bandwagon fan. He could care less about losses,..to him, it just doesn’t matter. Hell..he even stated that he’s loyal and follows the Raiders AS LONG AS THEY WIN, but when they lose? He basically could care less..he just smiles, and turns on Lawrence Welk music or read’s letters from the Great Grandkids.
What was it you said, Metamucil Earl? Oh yeah….
“Maybe someday, some of you will discover that the payback on investing so much of your heart and soul into a game you’re not even physically playing, in the end doesn’t amount to squat. It’s entertainment not a way of life.”
So obviously it’s easy for your sorryass to tell someone else to abandon ship…BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE, OVER AND OVER.
That’s what happens when you get old, apparently..you lose your balls, your spine, and are quite content sipping tea, not giving a damn if the team you USED TO SUPPORT is losing…because you just…don’t…give a damn.
Now, shup up old man..you’re making old age come across as bitter, spiteful, and pathetic.
WAIT…LOL…NOW I know why you love Al…you both share the same traits..slow, obstinate, stubborn, forgetful, with totally screwed up priorites..
Hey..misery loves company. Difference is he could care less about your sorryass, and you can’t stop kissing his.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Raider Nation Station posted an article a few months ago about a Bowe trade. Seemed unlikely, but I liked the idea of Bowe reuniting with Russell, but Bowe doesn’t run a sub 4.4.
With the Ravens he’d be the bomb. Derrick Mason WILL retire at some point.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tsn-rumorssurfaceofdwayn&prov=tsn&type=lgns
October 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Gotta love Richochet, imo.
Random Drug Tester is also a very lucid observer.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Fans need to face it. Granted some of them don’t get to see every game, but these f’ers quit all too often on games, sometimes after the opening drive.
Can’t be tolerated. I want to see fist fights on the side lines between players because someones getting called OUT!
Show some damb passion for hey zues sake!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Wonder who’ll be on the line tomorrow?
Will Barnes man the right side? Will Walker see time?
I hope Morris returns to center Satele’s that bad.
It would be great if Barnes could cement at right tackle and Henderson at LT. Get Gallery back and things look a little better anyway…
Please for the love of gawd, some one on the O have a break out game!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Oakglenn Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Play calling is not an issue. The issue is the Qb is plain & simple a disaster on every level.
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So then, the rookie WR’s have met expectations, the running backs have contributed on a substantial level and the offensive line is beyond reproach??? Oh and let’s not forget that the defense has done it’s job. Is this guy a complete moronic tool or what?? Missed-a-brain, try stamp collecting. NFL football is clearly waaaaay beyond your mental capacity.
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You, OakMoron, are the LAST person to bring up football knowledge.
Mental capacity? To you that’s a dull throb between the ears.
Here..want to tidbits of “IDIOT” from OakDork?
OakDork: “The coaches were working with the TRUE LEADERS of the Raiders, the O linemen”
OakDork: “Russell had a 167 rating”
OakDork: “only a brain dead, bottom of the barrel stupid wouldn’t know that ALL MONIES TAKEN IN FOR GAME TICKET SALES ISN’T DIVIDED BETWEEN THE TWO TEAMS, BUT GOES INTO A POT AND DIVIDED EQUALLY AMONG ALL TEAMS”..
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Yes, LMFAO..at you, moron.
Ok, quick, say something stupid….
That’s a good boy, OakDork…
OK, QUESTION FOR YOU, PEANUT…there is ONE starting player on the Raiders..only ONE..who is currently the WORST AT HIS POSITION, IN ALL OF THE NFL..only one…
and that player is…..come on, Gumby..you can say it.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Imo, look for repeat of Giants game versus Eagles.
Bad playing, bad play-calling, no half-time or otherwise adjustments, no Walker, no Gradkowski at 3-33 late in the 3rd, no imaginative plays also cos QB’s limited grasp of playbook rules that out.
And then post-game the same company line from Cable…”we need to execute better, the guys trained really well, im dumbfounded, we as coaches and players were well prepared, russell doesnt need to be benched, i have faith in the entire Al Davis roster, we need to get back to fundamentals, relearn them all even tho it’s freaking week 6, this team isnt far from a break-out game, from turning it around, and the greatness of the Raiders will be restored by the time week 17 comes around when we finally have a competitive game, and by then one good game from certain players will give my boss validation that everything is ok, that his football methods are sound, and that the greatness of the Raiders will be restored in 2010, just you wait, stop questioning my boss, shut up and buy tickets, go back to bed fans, everything is fine, stop thinking, go back to sleep, and my boss will talk about hiring a real GM etc and in the end fire me and the staff anyway because he will see it as us not being able to polish the turds that Davis keeps drafting/acquiring, everything is fine, no need to panic, go back to bed and buy tickets and merchandise even after we abandon Oakland and relocate once again to Los Angeles.”
October 17th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
When Cable announced they are starting walker at WR they meant Langston…
October 17th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Walter ended up where every other Raider ends up. NEW ENGLAND.
He got cut by them weeks ago…
October 17th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Fact is the Raiders gave up on Andrew Walter to soon. But you guys don’t like sticking with anything longer than a 30 minute sit-com.
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I believe you are !00% with statement. AW has a strong arm for the vertical game and he is accurate, unlike JaBustus. I don’t know where he is right now but I’d certainly like to see him in there as opposed to the giant BUST. Let AW play. He probably knows the WHOLE playbook and did in fact pay his dues during the 2006 season fiasco. If he’s available, we should bring him back. I think AD might be open to this direction, assuming it’s available, because AW was one of HIS picks.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
We are going to get our asses plowed tomorrow if nothing significant changes. If the status quo shows up it will be another blowout.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I don’t see it against Philly. Those cats are good…
I would love to see the Raiders front four tee off and our man cover secondary have its best game.
They’re due and I think Philly’s O line has some injuries
October 17th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
We need to play ball-control and shorten the game. Jamarcus seems to have 1 late game drive in him if nothing else.
We need to keep the score low so that 1 late TD can win it.
In a barn-burner, it’s only our barn that gets burned.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
In a barn-burner, it’s only our barn that gets burned.
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But just think of the post game BBQ opportunities?
Hotdogs on a stick…Smores….
Kind of gives ya warm and fuzzies, ya know?
October 17th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
To the bashers, I think this has been a very good assessment on Jerry’s behalf. It was very well thought out and written. Our O-line is in pieces, you will see that tomorrow, JR will be overwhelmed again this week, our recievers can’t do basic routes, and JR throws where their supposed to be, because there is someone always in his face. His O-line Corps are not supporting him, they are NOT opening ANY holes for RB’s, they might as well take the day off. He doesn’t stand a chance under the conditions our O-line presents, nor would any other QB have a chance with this team. They are young, they are showing it, yes we have serious injuries, but it takes more than the QB to show up on Sunday.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
weiners on sticks and smores….
sounds like a concession stand at a 49er game.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Yeah chris why even have players ….let the coaches just yell plays back and forth….Gawd What a retard!
October 17th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Chris NY, I was at Sundays game, it was not JR’s fault!! How do you teach a RECIEVER to CATCH a ball?
October 17th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Imagine how poorly Derek Anderson must be playing?
October 17th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Jerry,
Playcalling is a very important part of an offense’s success. You sound like a fool suggesting otherwise.
Ever consider that mabye the problem is that Walsh, Shoop, Kiffin, Knapp and Cable are not exactly a murderers’ row of great playcallers?
Obviously execution is also very important. But it’s really only half the battle.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Chris NY, kids in the street block, open holes, seperate from opponents, get open, and CATCH a BALL in their ARMS. We have a long way to go. Sorry to say.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Earl,
Why even have coaches. Just let players go out there and play street ball and just run around haphazardly trying to make plays.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
860TC,
I’ve had JaMarcus’ back all year and there have been times — the Houston game especially — where he was unfairly criticized. Our receivers must be among the league leaders in dropped passes and I have yet to see a receiver make a nice adjustment on a pass that was slightly off the mark. Most other QBs get that kind of help several times a game.
But like Al said, JaMarcus has to play better. He’s playing with two rookie WRs, which is virtually unprecedented. But he does have to start making quicker decisions and start making plays.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Chris in NY is right.
If your offense is handicapped by a QB who cant handle a playbook, that they have to cut it down by x%, then that means a lot of what our opposition see on our offense is the same allotment of formations and minimal plays from those formations. Then when you add in a playcaller (and Kiffin/Knapp were the same) who is too predictable, then it’s like shooting fish in a barrel for the defensive co-ordinator.
I-Form dive 1st down.
I-Form off-tackle 2nd down or QB bootleg to FB in the flats.
Offset-I toss play 3rd down.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
I-Form dive 1st down.
I-Form off-tackle 2nd down or QB bootleg to FB in the flats.
Offset-I toss play 3rd down.
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Add to that, that many of the 1st Downs you do manage to get are negated by a penalty, or the 3rd down is 10 yards or more because of a penalty, and you have less than 3 seconds in the pocket.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What website shows black-out Raider games?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
# GG Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
No you go elsewhere, I support the Raiders. Not Al Davis. It’s like Im American, I love America. But George Bush was just a president of it.
Sounds like when Davis is gone, YOU will want to leave and follow another team because you can no longer live in Al’s underwear drawer.
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Ha ha!!! Perfect.
Are you the same GG from Raiderfans.banned?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
The problem with that guys is our O-line is so pourous, we don’t even get out of the box. I witnessed that Sunday, we were totally out-classed, under-performed, and not able to take the D onslaught that the Giants gave us. They could of ran the score up much higher. I’ve been loyal since 64′, this is not a Raider team that I have ever known. The only brass on this team is how much gold each player can wear on the field. I’m just waiting for a time out too look for an ear-ring! If I was a Head Coach, nothing but a wedding ring on the field, these players just flaunt their undeserved wealth, that they do nothing to deserve. I would hold them accountable, bench them for gold, and play people that could catch a ball without worrying if they lost an ear-ring! This team, the NFL, the Officals, is turning into a Wrestling Federation Sideshow, this is not the football that I was brought up on!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
One of those typical Raider propaganda shows on Comcast sports is crediting Davis with Rod Martin. A LB that played the run and the pass..an Al Davis pick. Sure.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
and today’s football player is not the kind that Al Davis was brought up on.
He’s used to guys who needed the job and a 2nd chance, Al took a chance on them and gave them something to belong to, and they appreciated it and wanted to keep the job.
Today’s player has all the money he will need and doesn’t need a 2nd chance, and doesn’t need team success to make the big bucks.
Al’s organization is like a Country Club for under-achievers.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Nnam, My point exactly, we need some young studs, real ones, to draft and grow with this young team, we really do have a good nucleus, and I don’t think we are too far away, we just need a real good draft, please AL, dont look at the times!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
The prob with our O line is injuries and underperfomance.
The line against NY was Khalif Barnes, Chris Morris, Samson Satele, Cooper Carlisle and Eric Pears.
Yuck…any team would struggle behind that line.
Throw in an inexperienced QB and 2 rookie wides…
October 17th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Absolutely right about the officiating too. A frikkin joke. That A hole Mike Perria comes on and “explains” how the refs were right in amking the calls and according to the rules , yes, they were, but its BS when they let the same plays go week aafter week and then break out the ole rule book when its suits to cover their azz.
“Who ya gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?”
October 17th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
To the bashers, I think this has been a very good assessment on Jerry’s behalf. It was very well thought out and written. Our O-line is in pieces, you will see that tomorrow, JR will be overwhelmed again this week, our recievers can’t do basic routes, and JR throws where their supposed to be, because there is someone always in his face. His O-line Corps are not supporting him, they are NOT opening ANY holes for RB’s, they might as well take the day off. He doesn’t stand a chance under the conditions our O-line presents, nor would any other QB have a chance with this team. They are young, they are showing it, yes we have serious injuries, but it takes more than the QB to show up on Sunday.
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Ahhh…got it…it’s EVERYONE BUT RUSSELL’S FAULT.
Well, gosh..here all along I kind of had the impression that maybe if Russell’s fatass pushed away from the buffet table, it might help his mobility, and his stamina..and here it turns out it’s not his blubberbutt’s fault, it’s the O line’s fault for making him even contemplate moving out of the pocket.
Well, silly me.
And the “JR throws where their supposed to be” ADDING “because their is someone always in his face”??
Wow. You kind of lumped in TWO excuses in one..It’s not only the receivers fault for not being where THE BALL COMES DOWN, but it’s also the O line’s fault that he THROWS IT WHERE THEY AREN’T??
Which one is it? lol..but hey, regardless..again, I’m just speechless dealing with the prospect that a receiver on a go route, running in a STRAIGHT LINE down the field, is at fault for not being 7 feet FURTHER down the field…hell, me, the announcers, the reporters, and actually everyone IN THE STANDS felt JR just threw a REALLY CRAPPY THROW..but hark, wasn’t JR, was the receiver.
Oh..and those crossing patterns? Where I think of both the present HC and the previous HC’s comments that said JR needs to do extra, apply himself more, needs to step up and take responsibility, where I then see JR BOUNCE the ball 4 feet in FRONT of the receiver?..I had NO IDEA THAT IT WASN’T JUST THE OLINES FAULT that JR bounced the ball, but was also the receivers fault for not being down there on the ground.
Oh, and after a bad play? a fumble? yet another 3 and out? Where INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT ALMOST EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE DOES, which is either check in with the HC or confer with the OC on printouts of Def schemes and all?
Here, according to YOU, the O LINEMEN SHOULD BE OVER GETTING THAT INFO FOR FATASS?
Yeah, sure, I can see that.
Why hold JR accountable for anything?
let’s just hold his hand, pat him on the head, say ‘good boy’, and make sure he never has to worry about growing up and being responsible.
Yeah..there you go..that should do it.
And you’re just about as sorryass as you can be making up those weak pathetic excuses for a guy who comes in fat, stays fat, misses meetings, lies, acts like he could give a damn, doesn’t put in any extra effort to get better, and tells the world ‘HE IS HAPPY WITH HIS PROGRESS SO FAR’
Congrats, lemming. You get your Worm of the Week badge.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Ellis thinks this team can be one of those unbelievable ones yet. The last laugh will be theirs, he said.
“I know people may see this and say, ‘Greg, you’re crazy,’ ” Ellis said. “But the talent is here. When you’re in that down cycle, you’ve got to fight and claw to get back out of it and that’s what we’re doing here right now in Oakland.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/17/SP5L1A74UD.DTL#ixzz0UGHFSlOm
October 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Nnam, that was a TD, no Q! They always take those away from us, but we always had the fortitude to take it back. Think Heidi. I watched that one and was so pissed! I like our core new players, we have always had the O-line that got off the bus, but that is just a distant dream in our organization now, brute force was lost somewhere, maybe Howie took it with him?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
RealMaddenRaider…
Yeah, it’s me, bro.
One and the same.
Anytime you see GG or GGEden or Eden or -GG- or gg etc, it’s me.
Nice to see you again!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Racko, were you there? Byte me forever, you analistic counterance!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Nite Nation!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Absolutely right about the officiating too. A frikkin joke. That A hole Mike Perria comes on and “explains” how the refs were right in amking the calls and according to the rules , yes, they were, but its BS when they let the same plays go week aafter week and then break out the ole rule book when its suits to cover their azz.
“Who ya gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?”
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If it wasn’t for the officials the Raiders would have had a BIG GOOSEEGG for the last game.
A horrible pass interference call, where JR, on a 8 yard pass, still THREW IT BEHIND THE RECIEVER, where the defender went back for the ball, reciever didn’t..pass interference..
Followed by an obvious fumble that would have been run back for a TD..where the REFS FELT SORRY FOR THE RAIDERS AND STATED ‘OH..uh..well…uh…can’t challenge it. We blew it dead.”..except THEY DIDN’T, as all the replays proved.
So stop with the whimpering about “those big meanys keep picking on us”..they saved your ass from the goose egg.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Racko, were you there? Byte me forever, you analistic counterance!
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What? Was I WHERE?
What? You didn’t see everything I mentioned?
YOU BLAMED EVERYONE EXCEPT RUSSELL..so what the hell is the “were you there”??
Did I see it? YEAH, MY EYES WORK..THE CLOSEUPS WORK..THE REPLAYS WORK..
I saw everything I mentioned..so..where the hell were you? Let me guess? Farmer’s market? Loading up on salad essentials for the week, and forgot the game was on? Then picked and choose what to believe off this blob?
Lol…yeah..figures. Now..go to bed.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
GG, good to see you, too. You still at rf.net?
October 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Racko, were you there? Byte me forever,
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LOL!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Not at rf.net banned there too.
im at raideroutlawz now, the greatest raider forum in the universe.
owned by the members, run by the members.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:21 am
The scene:The Miami crime lab.
Delko:It’s no good H,I’ve looked at all the evidence.They’ve changed all the coaches and most of the players and the Raiders are still losing.I can’t work it out.
Caine:(takes his sunglasses off and looks into the distance)Eric (pause) have you tried the (pause)IT’S FREAKING OBVIOUS machine ?
Delko jumps up and goes to a big machine with “IT’S FREAKING OBVIOUS” in even bigger neon writing on its side.He presses a few buttons,lights flash and the machine makes a lot of bleeping sounds.Then it makes a “ping” sound and a name appears on the screen.
Delko:It’s given us a name H.It’s Al Davis !!
Caine:(Slowly puts his glasses back on and pauses,then looks at the camera)…..Touchdown!!
Cue music.Cue titles.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Neilb be a good do bee and tell us when Romper Room is over so the adults can talk.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:52 am
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October 18th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Earl….if we can’t laugh at ourselves then we might as well give up.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:59 am
So …
The highlight of the day is supposed to be the fans booing Russell off the field?
That should be interesting!
Any plans on booing Marshall and that pathetic defense back to the locker room?
With 11, ELEVEN games left in the season, are there any plans to boo any of the QUITTERS off of the field? Or is quitting acceptable to some of you under certain circumstances?
Incredible!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:00 am
This doesn’t know the playbook talk is HILARIOUS!
Cable said he shortened the playbook in an effort to get the offense a few plays that they could have some success with. QB and WRs are struggling, let’s shorten things up with screens and plays to the TE to try and get a rhythm.
How in the fugg does that translate to the starting QB does not know the playbook?
Steve Young told you clowns on opening night that Cable had 80% of his playbook installed. Gimme a fuggin break with that bullshyt!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:10 am
you people don’t get it at all….amazing and you live within miles of the University that perfected the art of protesting…..U C Berkely….Booing is immature and ineffective….if you want to make a real statement of your total disgust with the Raiders …you have to target ONE MAN…..AL DAVIS…
This game will be televised in two of the largest regional markets…The East and West coasts so this protest could be very effective….The fewer the people that go the better ….but the people that do go need to all leave the game at the same time ….when the game sterts to get out of hand and before Halftime…..that would embarass the Hell out of AL DAVIS and be shown on every sports show nationally.Watch big changes start soon when Al Davis finally gets the message and is ridiculed in the process.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Funny how people watch the actual coaches tape and come to the conclusion that the young WRs don’t know how to read the defense and adjust routes.
Funny how the women and children can even see that slops like Cornell Green and Erik Pears should not be in the league.
Funny how the QB has no accuracy issues with Chaz, Miller, JLH, or Walker.
Funny how the QB finished up last season with QB ratings over 100 but 1 bad game against KC has him on Ryan Leaf status.
Wake the heck up people! The game is WON in the TRENCHES!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:14 am
If the fans really wanted to “F” with Russell, they would cheer when he came on to the field. It would confuse the crap out of him. Probably would call a timeout.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Earl….
If Al Davis can’t get the message after 6 years,and lets face it,all the years before Gruden;then he’s not going to get the message now.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:17 am
How in the fugg does that translate to the starting QB does not know the playbook?
——————————————————-you answered your own question….why did Cable shorten the Playbook????…….how do you put together a gameplan to win in the NFL with only a few simpler plays????…..next …unlike JaMeatloaf the players on the other teams do watch films and team tendencies, so they’re more than ready to defend the few, simpler plays the Raiders run every week…so how does Cable make adjustments with different plays if his idiot QB can run them???? next…how can the Raider players execute the plays properly when the opposing teams defense knows what is coming next????
Is that simple enough for you????
October 18th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Neilb….go back to Romper Room you’re not ready for the adults yet!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Cmon Cable!
2 TE sets all day long! We have 3 NICE TEs.
Stick with it man!
Get back to that Monday night mentality of knocking the shyt out of someone. Take your 3 yds here and 4 yds there.
LET’S GO DAMN IT!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Jhill 135.
Exactly.
I did an analysis about two weeks ago which showed that the Raiders have only invested 20% of their first or second round picks on either line since 2000.
THAT IS THE LOWEST PERCENTAGE OF ANY PERIOD OF TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE FRANCHISE.
2010 must change.
The lines must be rebuilt through the draft.
Seymour was a start by in effect giving up a first round pick.
Guys like Carlisle,Green,Pears, Barnes,Walker,Warren,Ellis etc. were available to us at almost no cost because of major flaws in their game at the NFL level or age/injury issues.
At a minimum we need a DT an RT and an RG in this years draft WITH OUR FIRST THREE PICKS.
RB’s and WR’s can not perform without an Oline and you can get those guys in the later rounds( see Murphy,Schillens)
October 18th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Earl…
but it smells in here.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Earl,
I sense your frustration, which is obviously clouding your vision. I know the TV cameras focus on the QB, but the game is actually happening in the TRENCHES!
I’ll say it one more time. The playbook is shortened because the 80% of the playbook that was installed hasn’t been working. Ok the TEAM can’t run play A, B, C, D, E with any consistency, well let’s see if THEY can run A, B, and C well before we move on to D. Is THAT simple enough for you?
Then again, with the idiot Cable running the show, I don’t know WHAT the hell he is doing. I would think that condensing the playbook would mean LESS down the field stuff. EASIER plays like quick slants, screens to WR, TE, and RB, and simple shyt like that. Is that what you have seen?
It doesn’t really matter though. You’re having fun with the JaNameOfTheDay stuff so why would you see things any differently. Probably bashed Gallery and Huff too instead of letting them develop.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:33 am
jhill Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 7:24 am
We have 3 NICE TEs.
Stick with it man!
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Jhill your gayness is showing!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:33 am
JHill….What I see is an idiot(you)… who bit hard on all the hype….and spent good, hard earned cash on a JaPorkchop jersey, and now, is in denial about ….1. how big a bust Jacarcus is…and …2. What a total Chump your were for wasting your money.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Charlie,
I have C as my #1 offensive line need. I think it all started to go downhill for us when we realized Satele was NOT the answer. Morris? Starting? Cmon!
1 – DT/LB
2 – C
3 – RT
3 – LB/DT
4 – OG
5 – OG
5 – Dline
6 – Oline
7 – Dline
October 18th, 2009 at 7:41 am
You’re dismissed JHill …go join Neilb in Romper Room with all you other little friends.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Love the dudes who go to the homo thoughts when under pressure, lol!
Jersey sales????
Is that your answer to a football take?
As usual, you have nothing football related to say.
And this coming from the guy asking others to stop with the romper room stuff, lol!
Adults are talking???? LMFAO!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Earl….
You’re in a bad mood this morning.Why don’t you tell Uncle neilb what’s wrong.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Kawakami and his article today is a joke.
Cable cleaned up a pile of crap left by Lombardi and Kiffin. (Iknow that Mr Davis is ultimately responsible but those two career managers hurt us).
We have three players remaining on the roster who are overpaid relative to what they do or are responsible for:
Warren,Kelly,Walker
The one constant we have had since 2003 is terribly weak line play.
Anyone who thinks changing coaches will fix this is delusional.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:47 am
JHill
I do not disagree about the center spot but at least we have some youth there.
Carlisle,Green and Warren are OLD and ineffective.
We can not fix this in one draft.
There is never a guarantee in the draft but the higher the pick the higher the probabailty we will get an impact player.
After the first three rounds I think things get a bit dicey.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Some of you REALLY need the NFL network in your lives. They just had a lesson on gap control …. eehhhh, nevermind!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:48 am
JHIll,
Keep telling them what they need to hear! This team has so many problems that affect the QB and vice-versa. Personally, I think Cable screwed this up in the offseason with his coaching hires and his fingerprints on the playbook. This team was headed in the right direction at the end of last year.
The QB is part of the problem as well. Especially not getting the idea of preparation and conditioning. Has demonstrated little leadership this year, although he did so last year.
1. Can’t run the ball because the O-Line is overwhelmed. Teams have been run 1st and facing 8 & 9 man fronts all the time. The Raiders did it last year. When you have a bunch of backup and fringe players as starters…you are not going to win.
2. Tom Cable jacked up the game plan. Gone are the 22 sets we saw in training camp. Never saw DMAC get the ball in any other way except for dives up the middle. Way too many deep passes/7step drops, especially with an O-Line that is a disgrace
3. Throw out 2 rookie receivers. I would bet you could count on 1 hand the number of teams that try to do that week in and week out when there are veteran alternatives on the bench. Also, Todd Watkins over JLH and Javon Walker?????
4. Tom Cable has his favorites. He loves guys like Eugene, DHB, Murphy, Fargas and his p&ss poor O-Lineman….he clearly doesn’t like Huff, Bush, JLH, McQuistan….and I believe that is costing this team games
October 18th, 2009 at 7:56 am
jhill Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Some of you REALLY need the NFL network in your lives. They just had a lesson on gap control …. eehhhh, nevermind!
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Yeah, just saw the same too. I wonder if the linebackers were watching that segment? Well, they better have been because westbrook is running the football
October 18th, 2009 at 7:57 am
The priority for next year:
1. DT/LB (will be top 5 pick so have to get value)
2. C/RT
3. Best RG or any of above not drafted
4. Best of above not drafted
5 Best of above not drafted
6 Best of above not drafted
7 Best of above not drafted
October 18th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Youth, Charlie?
How about some talent????? Satele needs to either step his game WAY up, or we need to get someone else in there. I think we’ve seen the best of Morris, and he should be a backup.
Totally agree with you on Green and Carlisle. They were supposed to be stop gaps TWO YEARS ago, and we still don’t have a guy to take their place. Inexcuseable that we didn’t draft Carlisle’s replacement this year.
Warren is identified by everyone as a team leader. Hmmpph, how about that? LMFAO, but it is what it is. At this point, I think I’m more disappointed with TK’s play. I expected him to DOMINATE once we got Seymour, but it STILL hasn’t happened. I agree with you on the DT thing, but at this point, I think I’m ready to move on from Kelly.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:06 am
The QB is part of the problem as well. Especially not getting the idea of preparation and conditioning. Has demonstrated little leadership this year, although he did so last year.
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Certainly, SnB!
And I totally understand my man B’s point about the QB being the leader of the team and needing that fire.
With that said, you can not underestimate the life scenario of JRuss losing his Uncle Ray. That guy moved out here with him from Alabama and was his “adult figure” if you will. The cliff note version was an obvious child like reaction similar to the parent now being gone. Partying, women, and all the likes.
Totally immature, unprofessional, and all the likes, but PEOPLE are PEOPLE.
Ellis, Warren, and the coaches are saying that he’s been doing the things NOW that he needs to do, so can we please move on!
WRs are CLEARLY dropping balls.
Oline is CLEARLY bad.
Penalties are CLEARLY putting us in 3rd and long
Zack Miller is CLEARLY double teamed now.
How are we going to address those fugged up areas of our game?!?!?!
October 18th, 2009 at 8:09 am
later…
October 18th, 2009 at 8:11 am
well all i know is im going to the game and i hope we win
October 18th, 2009 at 8:12 am
From Pat Kirwin..NFL.Com http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81363be3&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Concentration penalties
Coaches call these “dumb penalties.” Lacking talent is one thing, but there is no excuse for mental errors that move teams in the wrong direction. These include illegal shifts, motions, procedures, delay of game, false starts, encroachment and too many players on the field or in the huddle.
Teams struggling to win can be crippled by such flags before the ball is even snapped. Good teams average one of these nonsense penalties a game. Bad teams average three to four a game. Acts of aggression like roughing the passer, illegal hits and pass interference are going to happen. It’s the lack of concentration penalties that make a bad team. Still, they can be corrected. The coaches on these teams are harping on these mistakes day and night.
Here’s how the nine clubs stack up this season in number of these penalties: Oakland 19, Buffalo 16, Tennessee 16, St. Louis 15, Tampa Bay 15, Kansas City 14, Detroit 14, Carolina 12 and Cleveland with six.
Dropped passes
It’s hard enough to get a passing game going without dropped passes. The average team in the NFL has one to two dropped passes a game or five to 10 overall at this point. There is some subjectivity to what exactly a dropped pass is, because some passes are harder to catch than others.
I gave receivers the benefit of the doubt in tallying the drops, and here’s how the nine teams stack up: Tampa Bay 14, Oakland 12, Tennessee 11, Kansas City 11, St. Louis 10, Buffalo 10, Cleveland eight, Detroit eight and Carolina eight.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:15 am
SnB,
I’d be perfectly happy with the team we saw on Monday night. Add Chaz and Nick Miller to that team we saw on Monday night, and we are right where we need to be. Think of that team and being able to add your draft to that. Talk about a team that we could be proud of for the next 10 years.
Morris for Gallery
Satele for Grove
Pears for Green (How bad is Pears that he makes Green look good?)
Carlisle for Carlisle
DHB for JLH
Murphy for Chaz
Watkins for … can anyone remember who our slot WR was last year?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:16 am
“Brent Celek is the leading receiver on the Eagles, and if the Raiders try to play that man-free scheme all day, it will be a big day for the young Eagles tight end.”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81373a1c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
October 18th, 2009 at 8:19 am
10. Raiders fans are challenged
Last week, the Raiders lost 44-7 and all I heard all week on my radio show was anger and despair from very loyal Raiders fans. They don’t expect a win over the Eagles, but they do beg for great effort. There is no excuse for the Oakland players not to give 100 percent. Where is your professional player pride? If I don’t see it when I watch the game film, it may be time to call out a few players.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81373a1c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
October 18th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Great…NFL Gameday show…the commentator says the “Eagles have a scrimmage today”
The entire set erupts into laughter as they go to commercial break.
I really hope this “team” competes today.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:30 am
The question for today is can our defense hold this Philly team to under 20 pts?
Or is the game already over since everyone quite after week 1?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:32 am
JHill,
Hopefully this offseason is all about the lines. But I am not too optimistic.
Its clear that O-Line is garbage on the right side. But Davis is pretty set in his ways. With Taylor Mays and Eric Berry sitting there…I can see a scenerio where Michael Huff and Hiram Eugene are let go and Mays/Berry drafted number 1.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:32 am
The team we saw on Monday Night is long gone. They mailed it in just like I told you they did. They know they cant win with JaMeatball playing Qb. He’s a pathetic leader. Marshall had this defense going in the right direction its shame the season went south at week 1.
Tim Brown was the last slot WR.
# jhill Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 8:15 am
SnB,
I’d be perfectly happy with the team we saw on Monday night. Add Chaz and Nick Miller to that team we saw on Monday night, and we are right where we need to be. Think of that team and being able to add your draft to that. Talk about a team that we could be proud of for the next 10 years.
Morris for Gallery
Satele for Grove
Pears for Green (How bad is Pears that he makes Green look good?)
Carlisle for Carlisle
DHB for JLH
Murphy for Chaz
Watkins for … can anyone remember who our slot WR was last year?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Jhill,
The Raiders are going up against another physical offensive line and a QB that can get rid of the ball. Also dealing with another scat back type in Westbrook.
I am worried because Andy Reid loves mismatches and our defensive coordinators love to stay in the same base defense
October 18th, 2009 at 8:36 am
The Baltimore Ravens won the SB with ZERO offense. They JUST got a QB.
There is NO excuse for our defense not showing up!
NONE!
October 18th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Here we go with that again …
Personally, I thought the two 4th qtr TDs the defense gave up, the last with 2 minutes left in the game, is what lost that Monday night game.
14 4th qtr points !!!!
Both drives, BOTH drive, the LBs gave up 3rd and 15 on simple dump downs to Sproles.
On SDs first TD, that Marshall led defense gave up a 3rd and 18 to GATES of all people that put them at the 1 yd line.
The defense, and Marshall in particular have NOT been the unit they were supposed to be. JaMeatloaf my arse!
October 18th, 2009 at 8:38 am
JHill,
I think Tom Cable is holding this team back. You look at the Kwame Harris experiment which was an extreme lack of judgement.
Then his misuse of DMAC.
His absolute adolation for Eugene
His trust in backups like Pears, Green, Morris, Satele, Carlisle
The performance of his O-Line this year.
Cable is a position coach. THat’s it! Not a head coach and not someone who should be in the room making personnel decisions. Let him jot down his thoughts on the O-Line and hand them to the head coach for consideration.
Then this guy is so arrogant as to take on the playcalling. Never demonstrated any acumen for that in his entire career.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:43 am
SnB offense defense specialteams has the gall to go on a Raider blog and pretend he has any acumen of the sport at all.
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by the way Einstein its adulation …if you want to baffle us with 10 dollar words to conceal your lack of knowledge, at least spell them correctly.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Let him jot down his thoughts on the O-Line and hand them to the head coach for consideration.
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Too funny!
I think Cable is simply pressing. He’s clearly trying to impress Al Davis instead of having his own plan and rolling with it.
You know, I was thinking about the so called “Cable Playbook”. A guy who has never had an offensive playcalling job in the NFL has a playbook? LMFAO! Where did this “playbook” come from? Obviously he used Kiffin’s playbook to finish the season. He would have never had time to install something else.
The #1 sign to me that Cable is clueless as a HC is his combination of a WCO QB coach in Hackett paired with a Vertical passing game coordinator in Tollner. The two concepts don’t jive, and we can see it on the field. 15-20 yd timing routes????? LMFAO Cable!
October 18th, 2009 at 8:45 am
JHill,
The Raider defense is limited because they don’t change their looks. They are rigid in their philosophy.
In my opinion, this is what happened.
In week 1 – The Chargers didn’t know what the Raiders were going to do defensively because John Marshall was brought on board. After watching the 1st half and seeing its the same defense from the last 40 years….they made adjustments and won the game.
Week 2 – K.C is garbage
Week 3, 4, 5 – They just studied the film and attacked accordingly. Nnamdi Asomugha is rendered useless because the Raiders refuse to move him around. Brandon Marshall lining up against Kirk Morrison (LOL), no blitzing or threat of blitzing….and the same look play after play after play.
If you are going to run the D the Raiders want to play…you better have 6 or 7 top notch D-Lineman and rotate them heavily. The Raiders have 2.5 lineman. Ellis, Seymour and Warren’s half a game effort
Our linebackers are soft
October 18th, 2009 at 8:46 am
JHill,
I blamed the defensive coordinators for that Monday Night game. They went to a prevent the entire 4th QTR.
The team has a lot of problems. Hopefully they can come out and compete today and just make a game of it.
That’s all I am looking for from this team for the remainder of the year.
Just try and compete
October 18th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Adam Shefter just said teammates are turning on JR.
Said player said if Garcia was QB we would be 3-2 maybe 4-1
As usual theres probaly just enough truth to cover up the lies as usual from the media about the Raiders.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Who drafted Russell?
Who gave Russell 3 playcallers & 2 HCs in three years?
Who signed Russell?
Who allowed the QB to miss meetings and come in overweight?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Plunk, teammates turned on JR probably @ halftime Monday Night or at the latest end of game. He doesnt care thats why he is over weight. If he cared he would be at least 25 lbs lighter, he would not miss meetings and he would likely be able to execute a screen pass.
He’s a joke but I’ll keep my word and wait until week 8 to label him what he already is.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Aside from the prevent brain lock in the 4th quarter. The defense we saw on Monday night was the most dominant attacking defense we’ve seen in years. If we had a legitimate Qb we would have won that game and the defense would still be playing football.
Like I said and players are confirming this JaMeatloaf is a MORALE killer, the team quit and who can blame them?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am
24 1st & 2nd round players (including Moss & Hall trades) since 1999.
Who’s left that contributes to their status?
Asomugha, Janikowski, Miller, Howard
Can anyone answer why only 4 players…1 of which is a kicker…is all the Raiders have to show for their 24 1st & 2nd round picks?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Perhaps if the Hall of Fame owner actually scouted players before drafting them…we wouldn’t be in this mess.
4 players out of 24 1st & 2nd round picks!
How bout it Earl?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:00 am
LMFAO, man!
3-2 ????
4-1 ????
Get the fugg outta here “player”!
So let me see if I have this right. At halftime of the Monday night game, the players threw in the towel?
Right after the TD, eerrr, ummm, I mean FG because the rookie dropped the ball?
Or was it after the STs gave up the HUGE return to Sproles that led to the game tying FG?
Gave up at the end of the game ????
You mean right after JRuss threw the GO AHEAD TD?????
Or after the defense came out gave up the game?
Next game was a WIN! Did the team really quit after a WIN ?!?!?!?
CMON !!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Out of every 6 1st & 2nd round picks…your HALL OF FAMER Owner finds 1 decent starter. One of which is a kicker…..that is mediocre.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Mistabrown,
How come your owner/head coach hasn’t done anything about the QB?
Don’t they run the team?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Say what you want about the QB …
But is ANYONE really telling me that Garcia played better than Gradkowski or Frye?
Does ANYONE disagree with Garica being cut in favor of the two backups we have?
Give me Gradkowski and Frye over that washed up Garcia all day long. I mean the guy is not even in the league man!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Jhill, is still stuck on stupid after 5 weeks.
Jhill, we are all here for you. When you decide to wakeup just raise your hand or a white flag. Theres no shame in admitting you were dead wrong.
Denial isnt serving priest or oak well, learn from their mistakes and everything will get better for you…
lmao
October 18th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Aside from the prevent brain lock in the 4th quarter. The defense we saw on Monday night was the most dominant attacking defense we’ve seen in years.
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See Mista, you know the truth, but you just are stuck on the QB. Aside from the prevent brain lock???? No man, that cost us the game, plain and simple. And the sad part about it was it happened TWICE. back to back brain fart drives????? How can you just say .. Aside from that?
Aside the fact the WRs are dropping balls?
Aside the fact that the Oline sucks?
Aside the fact that we have NO return game on STs?
Aside the fact that our defense has constant brain farts?
The QB (Garcia, Gradkowski, Manning, Rivers, or whoever) is NOT going to magically make all the other issues go away that you just want to brush aside.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:10 am
You cant go wrong calling Cable stupid can you ?
Either
A- He is stupid for being AL’s puppet.
or
B- He is actually coaching this team this way.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:12 am
SnB you have to play Russell! As bad as he is you have to play him and give him a legitimate chance. Its killing the rest of the team but you have to doit!
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I agree with the theme of what you are saying. Russell has been a let down….but you will only frustrate yourself down the road if you think the QB is the only problem here.
That O-Line has destroyed the running game, no team has ever intentionally started two raw rookies, and the defense looks the same as it did on those old NFL Films shows.
The Owner refuses to draft lineman (either side).
What JHill is saying…and I agree with, is that this team has MAJOR problems all over the place. This isn’t the Vikings or Bears where simply swapping in a QB will take you on a deep playoff run.
This team is flawed. I think it starts with philosophy and a terrible head coach.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:12 am
SnB you have to play Russell! As bad as he is you have to play him and give him a legitimate chance. Its killing the rest of the team but you have to doit!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Name 1 owner who dictates the game planning?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I find it really amusing that the same people who, a year and a half ago, who were lobbying for JaCarcus Russell before the draft, because the Raiders would never be any good without a franchise Quarterback. and then complaining about and demonizing Al Davis for not caving in, and giving JaWalrus the big money contract he wanted, even though he’d never played a down in the NFL, are now blaming all the other players and coaches for the teams failures….very amusing indeed….what a bunch of losers….you should all go sit beside JaPorkchop on the bench to keep him company….non of his team mates will….and that fact alone should tell you plenty.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I don’t know how you would run your business Mista, but if the QB is the only guy you would have in your office on Moday morning, then let’s just say I’m glad you are not running this team.
“Oh yeah guys! I feel ya! That fuggin QB sucks, so I understand you mailing it in. Heck I would too.”
- dellusional Raider fan
I just can not believe that take. And if it HAS come to that – us having a team of quitters – then that is a MUCH bigger problem to me that who the QB is. One thing JRuss has NOT done is QUIT. We all saw quit when Andrew Walter started acting like Chrissy Everett. Anyone on the team, and I do mean ANYONE on the team that has quit should be CUT!
Fugg ALL the quitters! That makes me SICK to my stomach!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Mists,
I agree with your post # 188 100%.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Name one owner who coached (and Won)at every level of football including the NFL….name one owner who was commissioner of the AFL!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Sure the team is flawed every team is. But when your highest paid player and “leader” comes in over weight, misses meetings, practices like he plays (like sh|t). It permeates the entire team.
We are now seeing the by product of a team with Russell at Qb. I hope guys do speak out about Russell. They put in hard work during the off season and this fat chump comes in fat and the season is gone at week 1…I hope they gang tackle him and beathis fat a$$!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Look at Lil Earl trying to step back in now that he thinks he has a playmate in Mista, lol!
No one wanted JRuss in the draft. On record wanting AP. Told everyone he would make Andrew Walter look much better. Can’t draft AP that high I was told. What about the injury concerns, etc, etc, etc.
Try again!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am
opps 2 1/2 years ago time flies when youre having fun watching your team get their a$$ handed to them.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Earl,
If your comments were directed at me…they were misdirected.
I was for developing Andrew Walter. I believe you have to develop a young QB to win. The Raiders gave up on Walter to early…and now they are heading towards doing the same thing with Russell.
You can’t win with journeyman QBs. Sorry…it just doesn’t happen very often. Unless you like having 1 or 2 good seasons every decade. Then play the journeyman.
The long-term winning teams have franchise QBs in place for 10 yrs or more. The idea of just cobbling together a bunch of vets doesn’t work nearly as well as it once did.
Unless you develop your own QB or happen to be lucky enough to trade for one….you aren’t going to win.
How many Drew Brees situations do you see? And the Raiders scouting isn’t good enough to find free agent talent anyway!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Jhill,
I never said Qb is the only position but thats the most important and he is getting paid to be the team leader.
MLB is pathetic.
O-line is garbage.
FB is a problem.
I’m not delusional dont fool yourself. It starts with Russell, we disagree on that. He is a morale killer!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:31 am
It starts with Russell, we disagree on that.
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We don’t disagree on that Mista …
It just doesn’t consume 90% on my posts!
Like I’ve said a million times, you guys seem to have the QB position covered, so I choose to address the OTHER areas that ALSO suck.
If this team was JUST a QB away, we would be losing close game like the KC game. Even the SD game, I can respect the QB debate because a play here, a play there maybe we do pull it out.
But the Houston, Denver, and NY game were ridiculous TEAM losses from the HC to the KR, if you know what I’m saying. And I just don’t buy the QB being responsible for that first drive we gave up in NY. Watkins dropping the 3rd down pass, and CJ blowing the coverage on Manningham. Those are TEAM issues that have NOTHING to do with the QB.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Sure the team is flawed every team is. But when your highest paid player and “leader” comes in over weight, misses meetings, practices like he plays (like sh|t). It permeates the entire team.
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Mistabrown,
Who allows a situation like that to persist? Read below how another franchise handles such laziness from its star player. After you have read below…let me know your comments to my question above!
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Davis stuck his right hand under Russell’s chin and gave it a push upward, drawing a 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct. He came off the field acting like nothing had happened, and Singletary began to deliver a stern lecture.
“You don’t need to be sayin’ nothin’ to me right now,” Davis barked at the coach, according to witnesses. Singletary ordered Davis to take a seat on the bench, and shortly thereafter the coach approached and stressed the importance of avoiding stupid penalties.
“I said I don’t need to hear it,” Davis snapped, cutting him off.
Singletary told Davis to go take a shower, and as the Niners were driving for their first and only touchdown of the game, the tight end was waving his helmet at what was left of the announced crowd of 67,504 and heading through the tunnel.
Upon reaching the locker room, Davis took his helmet and threw it violently against a wall, according to one eyewitness.
Meanwhile, on the 49ers’ sidelines, most of Davis’ teammates were quietly singing the praises of ‘Coach Sing.’ ”
Explained one veteran defender: “Vernon does this crap all the time, and Nolan would always let it go. He created this monster. The good news is that Coach Sing wasn’t having that.”
Added another veteran defender: “No one’s bigger than the team, right? We were all happy to see that this (expletive) won’t be tolerated.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-morningrush102708
October 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Sorry this was directed to SnB not Jhill, but Jhill listen up.
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# Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Jhill,
I never said Qb is the only position but thats the most important and he is getting paid to be the team leader.
MLB is pathetic.
O-line is garbage.
FB is a problem.
I’m not delusional dont fool yourself. It starts with Russell, we disagree on that. He is a morale killer!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am
LMFAO !!!!
I swear you guys need NFL Network. Especially lil Earl. Hey Earl, Sean Peyton, you heard of him? Well he just disected the NY Oak game, and focused on a play where JRuss Fumbled and was getting killed for pocket awareness …
Ahhhh nevermind, you wouldn’t believe it anyway!
LOL at the guy who know more than the NFL coaches!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am
SnB do you have a question? I’m not here to talk about 49er Football.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am
JaMeatloaf is a Team killer…..the offensive game plan is formulated entirely on your QB’s ability to exploit the flaws in the next team’s opposing Defense…..when you have a QB that can’t even understand his own Playbook let alone read an opposing defense…your team is screwed…Period
October 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Why does this team only have 4 players to show for 24 1st & 2nd round picks?
Because Al Davis drafts according to 40 times not football ability.
And because Al Davis doesn’t realize that the offensive line is the most important position on the football field.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Crude Earl Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Name one owner who coached (and Won)at every level of football including the NFL….name one owner who was commissioner of the AFL!
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Yes, and he’s now captaining this ship we are on now.
You all forget…
1. He drafted Russell and protects him
2. He drafted or didn’t draft this s%^&(*! O-Line
3. He hired this rank amateur coach
4. He continues to hire rank amateur coaches (Shell, White, Bugel, Gruden “fired hime”, Turner, Shell, Kiffin and now Cable
5. He sets the defensive philosophy
6. He runs the draft
Yet you seem to ignore Davis’ leadership role in this entire mess.
You guys want to put all the blame on the QB. Like Jhill said, there are other issues at play too. This entire team is garbage and has been so for a while.
So instead of drilling into players and coaches and owners….let’s just watch them and hope they compete.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Crude Earl Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am
JaMeatloaf is a Team killer…..the offensive game plan is formulated entirely on your QB’s ability to exploit the flaws in the next team’s opposing Defense…..when you have a QB that can’t even understand his own Playbook let alone read an opposing defense…your team is screwed…Period
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Why is he playing then?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Only 4 1st & 2nd round picks contribute at a level equal to their status:
Asomugha, Howard, Janikowski and Miller
And I am being generous with Howard and Janikowski.
Why does this team only have 4 players to show for 24 1st & 2nd round picks?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:45 am
SnB he is playing because he’s a #1 pick!!! You have to let him play at least a season! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD PLEASE!!!
Geeeezus Christ man!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am
SnB do you have a question? I’m not here to talk about 49er Football.
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My question to you was who allows an environment to exist where QBs can show up late and out of shape and still play?
Then I proceeded to show you an example of how Singletary handled an equally petulant highly paid player in Vernon Davis. Then I asked for your comments.
You chose to ignore the question.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am
The better question is… how long will he be playing in this league?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Crude,
Your ignorance is amusing.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Earl,
JaMeatloaf, JaMeatball, JaMarshmallow are mine get your own acronyms, k thanks!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I just LOVE how this Earl spouts off about the immaturity and ignorance and childish nature of other posts but cannot stop calling people names like a 4th grader on the playground.
Hypocrisy…it’s a beautiful thing ain’t it crude…???
October 18th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:45 am
SnB he is playing because he’s a #1 pick!!! You have to let him play at least a season! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD PLEASE!!!
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Tennessee and Arizona benched their #1 picks long ago.
Why? Is it because Fisher and Whisenhunt actually run their football teams?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:49 am
SnB,
The answer is obvious – Al Davis.
DUHHHHHHHHH
I’m not avoiding any question you idiot..now go have a coke & a smile & STFU up! Do you think I need an example of what the 49ers do to answer a question like the one you posed ?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am
you have them Copywrited Mistabrownstreaks??
October 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Again SnB, you might have brain damage I dunno…
YOU HAVE TO LET HIM PLAY A SEASON! SOME PEOPLE SAY 3 SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY 2 SEASONS. IM SAYING AT LEAST 1 OK?
You my friend are a brain dead derelict!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:49 am
SnB,
The answer is obvious – Al Davis.
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Thank you.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
The philosophies of Mike Tomlin and Casey Hampton clashed yesterday, prompting the Steelers coach to prohibit his Pro Bowl nose tackle from joining his teammates on the training camp practice field until he gets in shape.
Tomlin placed Hampton on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list after watching him labor through five of a required eight 100-yard jogs that were part of the players’ conditioning test their first day at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe.
“He wasn’t able to finish the test,” Tomlin said. “He’s overweight and he’s not conditioned enough to participate at this point.”
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08210/900038-66.stm#ixzz0UJ596mUO
October 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Earl just get your own..
October 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
If JR is the Problem, then why has he regressed? He was playing great the last 6 games of last season.
It’s not JR!!! It’s the coaching, scheme, changes to play book & play calling, bad play calling, and lack of talent around him.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:53 am
If the coach can’t manage the team…what’s the point
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The philosophies of Mike Tomlin and Casey Hampton clashed yesterday, prompting the Steelers coach to prohibit his Pro Bowl nose tackle from joining his teammates on the training camp practice field until he gets in shape.
Tomlin placed Hampton on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list after watching him labor through five of a required eight 100-yard jogs that were part of the players’ conditioning test their first day at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe.
“He wasn’t able to finish the test,” Tomlin said. “He’s overweight and he’s not conditioned enough to participate at this point.”
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08210/900038-66.stm#ixzz0UJ596mUO
October 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am
SnB, in the future if you have a question just give it to me straight and leave all the other bullsh!t out, ok?
Now that you got my answer what was your point? What did you prove or accomplish? Not a got dam thing…It was as tupid obvious question!
Go massage your skull you’re about to have me drinking a glass of wine at 940 am.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Bill C was right, this team is dumb!
Let’s help JR by drafting 2 WRs & No Oline, bad play calling, the entire right side of the Oline is a joke including the C, and now we can’t run!!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:58 am
if you want to get down to it …I actually didn’t copy you for those acronyms…I thought of them too…so I’d get off my high horse if I were you …they’re really not that creative.
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JaOfftheMarcus is better, as is Jacarcus
I’ll use whatever comes to mind …so suck off
October 18th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Hypocrisy!
It’s what’s for dinner.
eh there lil earl…?
October 18th, 2009 at 9:59 am
O,
C’mon man you’re better then that!
He played great for 6 games? He played ok the last 2, what 6 games are you talking about ? Its a combination of JR not being a dedicated athlete and its the dysfunctional organization.
The end.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Fair enough Jerry, but I would still argue that Cable hasn’t utilized McFadden and Bush properly at all. I see McFadden trying to run straight up the middle through tackles while Bush sits. They should be out on the field at the same time all the time.
Hey, let’s face it, Kiffin was right. Raiders are a running team and JaMarcus needed to be brought along slowly. Now the Raiders cant’ even run the ball. There offense needs to be generated from the backfield, with McFadden/Bush/Fargas and Zach Miller. Sweeps, screens, that kind of stuff. I watched Miami on Monday night utilize multiple running backs effective….why can’t Oakland do it?
October 18th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Fire Cable!
Hire a HC with exp!
Hire an assistant or hire a GM!
I’m sick of this dumb crap! This is dumb!!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Davis should have kept Lane Kiffin. Seriously. Kiffin put together a professional game plan. Cable is terrible!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:05 am
This team was better after the 1st 4 gms with Lane Kiffin…then it was with the 1st 4 gms of Tom Cable
October 18th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am
SnB, in the future if you have a question just give it to me straight and leave all the other bullsh!t out, ok?
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If you are going to breakdown what is wrong with our team…perhaps you should talk more about the complete picture and not just “JaMeatloaf” comments all day.
We get it!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Mista,
I’m not saying JR is playing good, and I agree that his play now is sorry. You have to ask yourself if he was playing well the last 2,3, or even 6 games of last season, played well in preseason, then why is he playing this bad now?!?
October 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am
-Kiffin wanted to do things his way so he was shown the door.
-Cable is doing things AL’s way (apparently.
Neither one works guys! Wakeup!!!!
This is a situation that wont bear fruit, keep wishing this coach or that coach or play calling, keep pounding your head against a wall and expect something different.
Keep doing that..
October 18th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Draft Strategy:
1st) Starting RT/backup LT(power-type, not ZBS)
2nd) Mean, vicious, run-stuffing MLB
3a) C – smart, tough, injury-free (not ZBS)
3b) RG – (not ZBS)
4th) Mean, vicious, run-stuffing DT
5th) best available of one of the above.
6th) best available of one of the above.
7th) best available of one of the above.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am
“We want to build a culture around here. We’re going to try to put a culture in place that shares the same opinions we do,” Ireland said. “We want strong character around here. We want passionate football players. We like prototypical size football players. Those are simple things. You’ll see the differences. You’ll see what our philosophy is.” [link]
October 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Kept Lane Kittin!!!
Dude,
He didn’t want to be there, he didn’t want to quit so he can collect his money, so Al fired him after the entire season was lost!
Al made a lot of mistakes, but the last 2 are huge. He should have fired Kittin instead of a wasted season over the kittin’s salary, and should have never hired Cable!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
O,
2 or 3 or even 6 games doesn’t make a career.
Maybe he regressed because in the off season he didnt workout, he came in fat, he doesn’t watch film, he misses meetings, he simply doesn’t give a sh!t, etc etc
He played awful in pre-season O. He doesn’t even practice well. That is where he lost his team mates in practice. If your Qb cant execute a 7 on 7 drill with no contact affectively you have ZERO…you have nothing…you have killed the morale of your football team!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am
O, tell me or better yet justify Russell not knowing or being able to handle 100% of the playbook. Can you think of another Qb in his 3rd year that cant digest his playbook?
The kid is dumb & lazy. You can slice it & dice how you want but he is those 2 things.
The end.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Mista,
That could be what happened too, but I don’t know that for a fact!
I know what I see which us:
JR is over weight, he missed open WRs, locks on his Targets, and can’t feel the rush at times.
He also has a bad Oline, 2 rookie WRs, and bad play calling.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am
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October 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am
No Jhill Im saying he is in his 3rd year he isnt a rookie. Dont be stupid!
Do you think Cable waited until the SECOND week of training camp to hand JaMeatball the playbook or do you think he got it in I dont know….MARCH? APRIL? MAY? JUNE?
Are you aware of OTA’s Jhill? How about mini camps? Heard of those? Mini camps are not short weekend trips with the boy scouts ok Jhill?
October 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Cmon Mista,
100% of the playbook? Cable installed a new offense the SECOND week of training camp.
Are you really trying to sit here and imply that Russell has had 3 years to learn the playbook and still hasn’t picked it up?
LOL!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I think Cable still hasn’t figured out the other 20% of “his” playbook.
Again I ask, where does a guy who NEVER had a job as an NFL playcaller get “HIS” playbook? Why was there a change from the the playbook that got him the job?
October 18th, 2009 at 10:26 am
today we get blanked like we should have last week.
beagles-30
raider cheerleaders-0
October 18th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Well how much evidence of this do you need to see O ? How many more players need to speak out? Do you need to see him on the scale or can you see he doesn’t care about his conditioning? How many times does Jerry and others need to report alot of balls hit the ground on no contact 7 on 7 drills?
Geez O, Im not making this krap up I want the guy to be good but you and I care more about him wanting to be good than he does…wakeup!
Raider O Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Mista,
That could be what happened too, but I don’t know that for a fact!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Anyone see Dree Brees INT turn into a nice completion because of the WR making a frickin play?
Anyone notice how much time to throw he had?
Yup, Oline makes no difference, and neither does who you are throwing it to.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Jhill, name 1 person in here that says we have studs at WR and our O-line is nails.
You are so completely missing the point its a shame. If you dont snap out of it you’re going to be a laughing stock in here just like priest and his left tit oakglen.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Vikings have a nice Oline (Rookie starter Loadholt) and seem to have a decent OC. He calls a screen before it is the obvious call to help out the offense.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Mista,
I could care less about football blog rep. Are u frickin kidding me?
YOU are missing the point. Football 101 starts with the Oline. You want to move up to passing game, WRs.
You want to sit here and tell me that the Oline sucks, as do our WRs, but none of that matters with the QB we have? LMFAO dude!
Meanwhile, I’ll just keep watching WRs on other teams “adjust” to the ball like Shockey just did, and Colston between 4 guys for a TD, and pray that I will see just ONE play like that from our guys.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am
JaCarcus’ big claim to fame was his ability to make huge plays when the pocket collapsed and throw accurately deep down field on the run….Just one of the implied values that made him the # 1 overall pick in the draft…..now we’re hearing from his mimiscule fan base that it’s the Offensive lines fault….
October 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
That is where he lost his team mates in practice. If your Qb cant execute a 7 on 7 drill with no contact affectively you have ZERO…you have nothing…you have killed the morale of your football team!
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He killed the morale of his team. You mean the extremely high morale the team already had from 6 straight years of losing that started when Jamarcus was still in high school??? That high team morale?? Or do you mean the high morale the team had playing that first game against SD, and then coming home from KC with a W, only to have fans like you boo them and advocate booing them. What a fooking idiot this tool is.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:48 am
jhill man your posts are always dead on so keep it up. what should be mentioned about al davis not adressing the lines is cables talent evaluation skills. when we lost the SB we were an old team and picked gallery and grove with our 1rst 2 picks. this talk of davis not believing in the lines is stupid. remember when kiffie and cable came here they said we had talent but the ZBS would utilize them better.they were wrong cuz only gallery and mario are good. i blame al for listening to cable for he insisted this was a proven system and endorsed pears, harris etc.barnes shouldve been practicing at rt as soona s he recovered well enuff to practice with the way mario has played.the fact that he refused to do it in the ota’s said enuff about him. this guy has no clue about talent evaluation on the line as indiviuals. he is more of getting them as 1 unit which is good but u have to have talent to dominate.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:48 am
ZBS lineman are like knuckleball pitchers.
If you can’t really pitch you learn to throw the knuckler.
If you can’t really play Oline, you learn to play the ZBS.
In the end, you never succeed because it’s smoke and mirrors.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Jhill, how many times have you seen Russell drop back set his feet and deliver the ball on a bounce, or over the head, or far right, far left?
Ive seen it too many times. So I came to the conclusion if we had the best O-line in NFL history Russell would still be garbage.
I’ve also been screaming for J Walker to give Russell a fighting chance so dont fool yourself thinking I dont know whats around him but again he is garbage no matter who the WR or O-line is. Keep drinking that sugar free koolaid you love!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am
and of course,
If you aren’t really a good Oline coach, you advocate the ZBS.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Jhill, how many times have you seen Russell drop back set his feet and deliver the ball on a bounce, or over the head, or far right, far left?
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Just as many times as you have. I seen every game he’s played in as a Raider so there are no news flashes. He missed some throws that badly in the last 6 games he played last year, but so what? I’m not looking for a pass happy offense or anything spectacular from JRuss. I didn’t want to draft him but it is what it is. The guy just needs to play decent, like he did last year and in the SD game. All of you guys looking for him to play “like a #1 overall draft pick”, well let’s just agree that it is not going to happen.
If the things you brush aside were addressed, this team would be WATCHABLE, which at this point is all most of us want to see. A few less brain farts, as YOU call them, by the defense, the WRs holding on to the ball, the RBs NOT fumbling, the Oline looking less like a HS line, and we could be 3-2.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Jhill, missed-a-brain wouldn’t know football if George Halas came back from the grave and punted one up his ass. Save your breath. His solution is to boo his own team and wander around the stadium looking to buy a hat while the game is going on. The end.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Oakglen is like a puppy that just discovered his ding a ling. Let go of my leg already!
October 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am
After making post like the one below. Of course you have to call people names like…tools, derelicts, imbeciles, morons, etc etc
lmao
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Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.
October 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am
anyone see the impact brandon spikes has on that florida d? take spikes out of the game and florida was a different team. do we have anybody like that on our d right now? we need him with our first pick more than any lineman. why because we need guys who impact the team in more ways than one. we need young guys who raise the level of play from their unit aside from making a few plays.alot of u see the draft as the way to build next year but we need to do it in FA as well. we shouldve went after birk or brown at c but we settled for satele. i wonder if that was cables idea. this destroys the myth that coaches dont get a say around here. if u really think addressing both lines wont be a priority next year u are stupid. u think mr davis doesnt see that? we have nowhere to draft but oline and dt aside from lbs. we need more azzholes on the team too. we have 2 many softies that except losing including nammdi.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Exactly Armond,
People think we can just show up with that BS ZBS and insert bums and roll. Well here you have it.
Satele and ONeal not being up to par KILLED the running game. I just don’t understand what part of that is so hard to grasp. ONeal was getting ridiculous credit for opening holes, and now they wonder where those holes are. Lawton? LMFAO!
Our C, RG, and LG suck, yet we KEEP trying to run out of the I formation.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Oakglenn Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
That is where he lost his team mates in practice. If your Qb cant execute a 7 on 7 drill with no contact affectively you have ZERO…you have nothing…you have killed the morale of your football team!
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He killed the morale of his team. You mean the extremely high morale the team already had from 6 straight years of losing that started when Jamarcus was still in high school???
…………
Here here, Oak.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Here’s more “I’m AL DAVIS AND I ALWAYS INSERT MY HEAD UP MY ASS BEFORE MAKING DECISIONS”
As everyone knows, the old man mailed in last year..sacrificed the whole year, all so he could save a buck. Instead of firing Kiffin during the off-season, where it was obvious to all Kiffin was a lame duck coach, he kept him around to try and find a “fired him with cause” reason (which not only failed miserably, but assured Al of being the absolute worst owner of ANY team of ANY SPORT to work for) and now you have Cable in the same situation.
While Cable is actually making Joe Bugel look like Lombardi, Al again isn’t making the decision to fire his sorryass, very likely because he wants to wait for charges to officially be filed so he can FIRE HIM WITH CAUSE, TO SAVE HIS SALARY AS WELL.
This is the old fart who signed $270 mil of contracts with KWAME HARRIS, Hall, Wilson, Kelly, and Javon “I sit on the bench, I know not why” Walker, which will go down in history as the dumbest off-season activity of a NFL team, ever, but here Al wants to try and save a couple of mil on a HEAD COACHES CONTRACT? So instead of doing what’s right for the team, he’ll SCREW OVER THE TEAM, AND THE SEASON?
WTF is it with the old coot? He handed Hall 8 mil for 8 games..is paying Walker MILLIONS to sit on the bench, yet he’s got this big hard-on for not paying coaches?
Did I ever say how much I love the fact Al Davis is running the Raiders?
Just can’t buy this entertainment.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Giants are being destroyed. There’s a new sheriff in the NFC.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:03 am
we also screwed up by counting on oenal to be healthy to play before he was ready. i never liked the idea of bringing him back this soon. we shouldve treated his injury like we did mbush. hopefully he can recover and be who he was before. we lost alot of toughness in our run game without him and we shouldve went after power blocking FBs in the draft instead stryker sulak. hell we had chances to go after moran norris or other guys but we didnt. didnt we see enuff of lawton to know he wasnt going to be the answer? hell id rather give reece a chance than him. we better make sure w address this next year as well.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Game Day!! See you all in the stadium. I think we are about to see a continuation of last week with physical line play from the opponenet. The Philly defensive and offensive lines have played extremely well all year. Their defensive line against our offensive line is going to be an extreme challenge. They have a nice secondary back there as well. This is going to be interesting to see how or better, if, we respond.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:06 am
we need to remove all the “excuses” for JR’s poor showing so that he can be properly evaluated on his own merit.
Trouble is that there are two many weaknesses on our team to deflect the blame and until we have an NFL-calibre Oline and WR’s we some cred…we should just let JR hand-off and go deep occassionally.
If he doesn’t pan out soon – we eat his salary until it is comfortable to release him. He is not going to make us respectable single-handedly. (for the money he should, but that’s not going to happen)
October 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Oakglenn Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# Mistabrown Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
That is where he lost his team mates in practice. If your Qb cant execute a 7 on 7 drill with no contact affectively you have ZERO…you have nothing…you have killed the morale of your football team!
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He killed the morale of his team. You mean the extremely high morale the team already had from 6 straight years of losing that started when Jamarcus was still in high school???
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Here here, Oak.
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Can’t tell who’s a bigger flea, OakDork or realmadden.
Damn. Why are simple things so hard for you two to grasp?
Every year is a new year, you dumbasses. New players. New expectations. Ignorant to state “Oh, because the team 3 years ago had no morale, then regardless of what happens now, we’re blaming THEM FOR THIS YEARS LOW MORALE”???
HOW CAN YOU BE THIS IGNORANT?
From Seymour’s demeanor to comments from players from other teams, to talk shows detailing it..the fact Al Davis refuses to yank Russell makes it clear to the team it doesn’t matter what they do, this team is screwed.
BTW…good job being a lemming, RM..like only you can.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am
finally…..Richochet’s irrelevant posts are being removed.
Well done Mod!
October 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Who’s richochet???
October 18th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I can’t remember the last time I was this disinterested in a Raider game.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:29 am
http://www.channelsurfing.net
They usually give it a try…sometimes get shutdown though.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am
anyone know a goog site to watch the game online?
October 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am
excuse me “good site”
October 18th, 2009 at 11:35 am
What up fellas?
Watchin this Saints game down here. Antonio Pierce is not playing in a scrimmage today. Brees is putting on a clinic: 17 for 19 242yds 3 tds.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Oakglenn Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Richochet Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Every year is a new year, you dumbasses. New players. New expectations.
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Tell that to Detroit, KC, The 1980’s Tampa Bay Bucs, Arizona for 25 years, New Orleans for 20 years, Cincinatti, Atlanta for 30 years, The Rams for the last decade, Cleveland for the last 6 years, Pittsburgh Pirates, Baltimore Orioles….time to go rack-ette. Your stupidity is reaching new lows.
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Leave it to you to state players look at the previous year to decide if they should be MOTIVATED TO PERFORM FOR THIS YEAR.
You’re so clueless.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am
hey nation hows every one doing today anyone the jamarcus can put together a good game?
a good site is http://www.atdhe.net
October 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am
knew you were going to ask (see 276)
October 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
http://www.atdhe.net/
try this Armond….watching the saints/giants right now.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Richochet Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Every year is a new year, you dumbasses. New players. New expectations.
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Tell that to Detroit, KC, The 1980’s Tampa Bay Bucs, Arizona for 25 years, New Orleans for 20 years, Cincinatti, Atlanta for 30 years, The Rams for the last decade, Cleveland for the last 6 years, Pittsburgh Pirates, Baltimore Orioles….time to go rack-ette. Your stupidity is reaching new lows.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am
WAIT!!.
OakDork says at 11:04..”see you all IN the stadium”..and then follows that with a post at 11:38??
The game starts in LESS THAN A HOUR AND A HALF and you’re on here? Still at home, posting?
LMFAO..what a crock.
Either you’re one of the biggest fakes as a fan, as there is, where you actually choose to be ONLINE INSTEAD OF AT THE GAME, until the last second, or you lie, and you aren’t even going.
Wow..IS OAKDORK SAD, OR WHAT??
Classic, lol.
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Oakglenn Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Game Day!! See you all in the stadium. .
Oakglenn Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am “Tell that to Detroit, KC, The 1980’s Tampa Bay Bucs, Arizona for 25 years, New Orleans for 20 years, Cincinatti,
October 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Man my new team the Vikings with the great Fav-Ray are playing good football again today.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Richochet, I was agreeing with Oakglenn’s mockery of MB’s point that Russell was killing morale. What morale? This team’s sucked since 2003.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Duhhh there’s aN NFL game in Wimbletdon and it’s the pre view prograhming
October 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am
I listen to Poppa’s play by play because it’s funny, the worst the raiders play the funnier it gets.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Why is Mike Holmgren in a studio in England talking about the saints/giants game instead of sitting in a Raider office looking at players ?
October 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am
RaiderRobG…
tsk tsk
October 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Richochet, I was agreeing with Oakglenn’s mockery of MB’s point that Russell was killing morale. What morale? This team’s sucked since 2003.
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OH, COME ON..are you serious?
Please don’t tell me you believe that each and every year, each and every season, each and every training camp, that players aren’t pumped up? Aren’t ready to do their best? Aren’t ready to win, or TRY AND WIN??
Of course a team who was dead last the previous year has lower expectations, but EACH MAN IS A PROFESSIONAL, AND HAS HIS OWN LEVEL OF PRIDE.
Everyone works their ass off to believe.
It’s silly for Oakdork to state ‘Oh, the team has lost for X amount of years, so there is no way they have felt good about themselves”
Any player who isn’t positive at the beginning of every season should be out of the league, same with the coaches.
You guys forget these guys aren’t just playing for now. Their whole career depends on each players individual effort NOW. You think Aso starts off the season automatically with low morale? Or Fargas? Whoever?
Having a qb that single handedly loses the game for you destroys the morale..TODAY. Not last year’s morale, not 3 years ago..NOW..today.
If you’ve never played sports, you won’t know what I’m talking about.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am
neilb Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Why is Mike Holmgren in a studio in England talking about the saints/giants game instead of sitting in a Raider office looking at players ?
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Same reason why Sean Payton is in New Orleans and not in Oakland!
October 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am
RaiderRobG…
Shouldn’t you change your handle to VikingRobG or Fav-RayRobG, and shouldnt you also take your bandwagon self over to a Viking blog?
October 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Russell hasn’t done much to inspire high morale goes without saying.
But the ride to low morale is quicker and shorter on a perennial loser.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am
I will say this…the Viking O-Line is taking it to the Ravens Defense.
F the ZBS
October 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am
RaiderRobG Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am
I listen to Poppa’s play by play because it’s funny, the worst the raiders play the funnier it gets.
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Oh, I remember RobG.
RobG stated”
“You guys are fools for supporting a team when they’re losing. I only support teams that are winning. When the Raiders start to win, I’ll come back. Do you think the Raiders care you supported them when they sucked? I’m a bandwagon fan. I feel better when I put on a hat of a winning team. That’s why I own the hats of the last dozen SB winners. That way I can feel better about myself if I think I’m the fan of a winner.”
Man…it’s sucks to be you, RobG..I mean..BIG TIME.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Did a quick spotlignt on Loadholt.
Vikings just smashing the ball against the Ravens.
Tell Cable to hit the road
October 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Drew Brees 17 from 20 for 247 yards and 3 TD’s…..in one half.
…..wow.
October 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Any player who isn’t positive at the beginning of every season should be out of the league, same with the coaches.
You guys forget these guys aren’t just playing for now. Their whole career depends on each players individual effort NOW. You think Aso starts off the season automatically with low morale? Or Fargas? Whoever?
Having a qb that single handedly loses the game for you destroys the morale..TODAY. Not last year’s morale, not 3 years ago..NOW..today.
If you’ve never played sports, you won’t know what I’m talking about.
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Agree with most of that!
But again, I have to ask AGAIN, and I’m hoping for the first lucid response to this question.
EXACTLY WHEN DID THE TEAM LOSE MORALE BECAUSE OF THE QB?
Game 1? Well the defense sure played it’s ass of against KC, and the team WON the game.
Game 2? After a win?
Game 3? Was it at halftime after only being down 13-3? Or was it when the defense came out after the half and made it 20-3? Or was it when DMac fumbled on the next drive?
Game 4? After the WRs dropped 9 passes? After the defense gave up big play after big play?
And to be clear, my point AGAIN is how dare ANYONE of these sorry ass players points the finger at anyone else? They ALL need to stay after practice and get on the same page. They ALL suck!
At least the QB hasn’t quit on his sorry ass teammates!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
JHill,
Absolutely spot on!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
RaiderRobG Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
No I’m sticking around, it’s the same feeling I get when watching a car wreck.
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YOUR VIKING’S ARE PLAYING
REMEMBER HOW MUCH YOU WERE BRAGGING ABOUT THEM ????
YOUR NOTHING BUT A BANDWAGONEEEEER GET LOST !!!!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
No I’m sticking around, it’s the same feeling I get when watching a car wreck.
October 18th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
This is a loathsome offensive team, yet I can’t look away.
October 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Only an hour away to our next implosion, how exciting
October 18th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Wow you all should have seen Fav-rays last throw! There’s some good football being played out there today!
October 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Time to mosey on over to the local dive, to watch the game. Why?, I don’t know. Guess it’s because I’m a Raider FAN since 1970. I’ll NEVER jump ship, only rats jump ship…
Just
COMPETE
Baby!!
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