Possible setback for Schilens
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, October 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes from the Raiders practice and media availability sessions Friday:
– Wide receiver Chaz Schilens couldn’t make it through practice because of soreness in his left foot, putting his status in jeopardy for Sunday’s game against the New York Jets.
“We don’t know if there’s anything wrong, so we’ll list him as questionable for the game,” coach Tom Cable said. “At this point, we may know something this afternoon or tomorrow, exactly what our play will be. But he’s a little sore today. So we shut him down.”
Schilens, according to Cable, had been running with the first and second team and that if was good to go, the snaps would be divided relatively evenly along with rookies Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey.
– Defensive end Richard Seymour did not practice because with a stomach issue similar to the one which caused tight end Brandon Myers to miss two days of practice. Myers practiced Friday and Cable said he expects Seymour to be fine Sunday.
– Players listed as out for Sunday are LG Robert Gallery (broken fibula), RB Darren McFadden (knee), T Cornell Green (calf) and LB Ricky Brown (ankle). DE Greg Ellis (knee) did not practice and is listed as questionable but is expected to play.
Listed as probable are RG Cooper Carlisle (ankle), FB Luke Lawton (ankle), CB Nnamdi Asomugha (eye) and Myers (stomach).
Defensive coordinator John Marshall conceded the Raiders blitzed more than usual against Philadelphia but perhaps not quite as much as the players thought.
“We kept it going through the game. What happened sometimes is you call a pressure but mbecause of formation or something you get checked out of it,” Marshall said. “I think what they remember are how many huddle calls were pressure oriented. Because of formations or whatever might be happening offensively you might be checking out of it. So you don’t really run how many you call during the game.”
Marshall’s assessment of the effectiveness of the pressure against Philadelphia:
“We liked the success of the pressures from a pass standpoint. The thing I didn’t like is that what can happen to you on pressure situations is they popped a long run on us,” Marshall said. That happened just because we had a pressure on and they blocked it.”
– Punt return specialist Johnnie Lee Higgins, averaging just 3.6 yards per return with a long of 19 after returning three for touchdowns last season, thinks better days are ahead.
“It’s not going to take me to break one all the way. I could just break one for 10 yards, some positive yards. That’s how it’s going to start. Me, I was out there trying to make every play. But it’s going to take a five-yard gain, a seven-yard gain, a 10-yard gain.
“And before you know it, it’s going to be that 80-something yard touchdown, that 60-something yard touchdown return. So, it’s just, just be patient.”
– Cable took exception to comments made recently by former Raiders defensive tackle and NFL Network analyst Warren Sapp, who said recently that the Raiders are at their worst after they do something good, an inference that they’re sure to collapse after a win over Philadelphia. Cable said he wasn’t sure who had said it, but brought up the comment after being asked if the Raiders could be overconfident against the Eagles.
“That’s someone who really doesn’t know what the hell they’re talking about,” Cable said. “I mean that, you can quote it just like I said it. For us, it’s learning from it, how to do it again, it’s not about confidence, it was the lesson that was there, and take it and use it now. That’s what the hope is for this weekend.
“What do we have to be (over) confident about? We’re 2-4. We have to be confident about going in, playing this opponent Sunday and trying to be 3-4.”
– NFL commissioner Roger Goodell had this response regarding the Cable investigation during a Sirius Satellite Radio interview with Adam Schein and John Madden:
“Well, you know, we’ve monitored it very closely. I just got brief reports last night that the D.A. is not pursuing anything further. We’re going to look at and understand his decision a little bit more closely, make sure that we get all the details and if we think there’s merit, we will continue to pursue it. If not, we’ll make a decision at that point.
“But I think one of the things we’ve learned from all this is you’ve got to have the facts before you start making judgments and we’ve been trying to follow that closely, making sure we have the facts before we make a judgment.”
Reading between the lines on that one, it’s tough to imagine Cable getting anything more than a slap on the wrist. He’s not going to be suspended because of negative press.
– Marshall, who declined comment throughout the assault investigation, answered a few questions following its conclusion and is glad it’s over. Marshall was one of three assistant coaches in the room, along with defensive backs coach Lionel Washington and assistant coach Willie Brown, and was interviewed by police.
“We’re happy for Tom that that’s off his back,” Marshall said. “It never has been an issue. It has never, ever been talked about at any staff meeting or even among coaches.”
When asked if he was pleased to have the truth come out, Marshall said, “I think you always have to be happy when the truth comes out and it prevails. Sometimes it’s tough. I think it’s always great when you win
doing the right thing . . . I felt in my heart it was just a matter of getting all the facts cleared up by the DA or whoever does that stuff.”
– The Napa news greeted by a collective yawn in the locker room.
“Maybe it’s over for Tom, maybe it was something he was thinking about, and it’s over for the media somewhat, but for us it was ever really a distraction because he never brought it up to us so guys never went into games thinking, ‘Oh, what’s going on with Cable?’ or into practice,” Asomugha said. “I think in training camp guys were wondering a lot, but we put it about us at that point.”
Asomugha said it never seemed to be an issue with Cable because of the coach’s ability to focus on the task at hand.
Said tackle Mario Henderson: “It was like, O.K., personally, that’s good, but it never was a distraction. In other words, he didn’t have to come in here and say, ‘Guys, I didn’t get charged.’ He didn’t have to do that because it was never a distraction.”
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October 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
figures
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
It only mattered to the haters on here that hung their hat on it. Now that it is over, they will find something else to whine about and try to drum up controversy.
Another day, another Niner troll.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Not good news about Chaz…
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Too bad Schillens is hurting again….we could use him
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Schillens better be able to play. I just bought tickets assuming he was playing. I didnt buy tickets to see 3 points. Damn.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Chaz’ll be in there.
He’s hungry.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I think these guys just may have turned the corner. I look for the offense to explode this week, Schillens or not!!!! I will predict 30 points baby !!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
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October 23rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
It may be better to error on the side of caution on Chaz today if he is having some pain issues after just three practices. Lets all hope he is o.k. for the walk through tomorrow….
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
[...] [Raiders] Raiders DE Richard Seymour Sidelined With Stomach Illness Defensive end Richard Seymour did not practice because of a stomach issue similar to the one which caused tight end Brandon Myers to miss two days of practice. Myers practiced Friday and Cable said he expects Seymour to be fine Sunday. Source: Contra Costa Times [...]
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
This is the week Bey catches a Jeff George to James Jett like bomb for six.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
# Raider E Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I will predict 30 points baby !!!!
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Puff, Puff, Pass
Puff, Puff, Pass…
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
I said that!!!! Mark it down !!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
I just recommended to my bro that he pick up Schillens on his fantasy team. that sucks. If healthy he could just be the spark the Raiders need on offense. JaCarcus has to start gettin ball to WR’s if the offense is ever going to help the defense.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Raider E…don’t get me wrong: I HOPE you’re right! But until I see it, I can’t believe it.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Jets WR Cotchery out against Raiders
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4588702
They lost their guy and we might not have Schilens.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:25 pm
JaMarcus to Bey for six, “Touchdown Raiders”, believe that!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
We win five in a row!!!! I, like “Big Rich”, am gonna stick my neck out there. 7-4 on turkey day, and you all know it aint cool to be a jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving lol.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
A breakout game for the offense would be nice, but I’d prefer just a win.
I have a feeling we’re gonna have to grind out and manufactor wins.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Raider E Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
We win five in a row!!!! I, like “Big Rich”, am gonna stick my neck out there. 7-4 on turkey day, and you all know it aint cool to be a jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving lol.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
DMAC Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
“I really think I should go back to wearing my Addidas, instead of these chitty Nikes!”
^^^^^^^LOL….Cable and Tollner need to also wake the hell up and start using you better. They need to put you in the slot more get you the ball in space with bubble screens and RB screens….split you wide and throw the ball to you downfield. They also need to implement the WildCat to keep defenses off balance like what Miami does……but NOOOOOOOOO creativity or imagination or thinking out of the box by Cable and Tollner.
Freakin weird…..Cable was a better play caller last year than this year….weird….
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Trading Places reference. Nice.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
“Freakin weird…..Cable was a better play caller last year than this year….weird….”
He had to install the Gillman offense. Al saw enough of the dink and dunk and told Cable to get Russell ready to let er rip.
We all saw what happened when Cable called a good game.
Keep Al happy by tossing in a few deep shots, but only to keep the defense off balance and catch them sleeping like that PA on 4th and 1.
I think next time, in a similar situation, Russell makes that pass.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Nike ” Air Max”, best shoe to ever touch a foot!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Everybody saw Murph wide open, shoulda had at least 14 more points, but it comes together Sunday Baby!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
That was a great play call, BAD PASS, and murph still almost got it .
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Whoever starts, Bush or Fargas, will gain 120 on the ground…
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Raider E mixin’ up a big batch of Raiderade.
F it, pour me a fat glass.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Dammit!
Take it easy Schilens. Miss the game if you need to, come back HEALED.
He did this last year, came back injured still, and it cost us.
PLAY WALKER.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
NFL Sunday Ticket.
Seems expensive when your team loses this much…
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
anyone got a URL for an internet feed site to watch the game on?
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
This is a great day. I just found out that I will be able to watch the game Sunday on my Big Screen instead of an internet feed. The Raiders and Jets are the local game in N/W/ Ohio on CBS. Life will be good this Sunday!!!!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
“anyone got a URL for an internet feed site to watch the game on?”
You may want to try justin.tv
It’s a free live broadcast, kind of like YouTube, but a live, full broadcast.
The NFL has been cracking down on it more this season, but there is almost always more than one feed, so even if they take it down, you should be able to find it elsewhere.
I would also reccommend NFL.com game rewind.
For 35.00 you get all of the 08 season and all of this season. The catch is that it doesn’t work while any NFL game is being broadcast, only afterward.
Its a cheaper, though less exciting alternative to DirecTV.
Or you could just go to a sports bar and get hammered.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Or you could just go to a sports bar and get hammered.
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Ha! That’s what I usually do. But I gotta put up some rain gutters this sunday. It would be nice to watch while working…
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
If none of the above work, go to NFL.com and follow it through there virtual game ticker broadcast thingy and also go to google and type in ‘raiders radio network.’ KSFO is the flagship but doesn’t always work, so by going there, you have more alternatives and you can get Papa and Flores.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I have been so sick and tired of Trent Dilfer dogging Jamarcus Russel day in and day out. Jamarcus did just as much as Trent did against us to win the playoff game that catapulted them into the Super Bowl. For another Mediocre QB to throw another mediocre QB under the bus is ridiculous. And Jamarcus still has way more upside than dilfer. Dilfer completed one big pass against us to Shannon Sharpe other than that he had his ass handed to him all day. Shame on Trent for being such a hypocrite. Go Raiders.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Dilfer gets man crushes on QBs just like Jaworski.
But nothing like Gruden.
I think since things didn’t work out with Jessica Simpson, Gruden may have a shot with Tony Romo.
You hear him do the MNF game DAL vs CAR?
Must have said “I like Romo” about a dozen times.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Gotta agree. Would prefer to have Schillens out until he is fully healed. Don’t want a repeat of last year. Should play Walker. Expensive piece of furniture for the bench. He played last week, but hardly noticed him.
Got the feelin things are going to come together this week. JRuss gotta hit wide open receivers. Wish Cable made better decisions in play calling. Still need more end arounds, quick hitches and WR screens for DHB. Just to get him confident. Not his fault the QB can’t get him the ball. Would love to see how he does with more catchable passes. When he starts producing, all the DHB haters are going to eat their words. Still woulda loved to see a OT with that 7th pick, but no sense crying over spilt milk. Gotta root for what we got, and he got speed. Over the top to DHB baby. Go RAAAIDAS!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I’m here for a glass of Raideade—heard it was happy hour.
Raiders 24
Jet 7
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
L.A. 2 da bay,
We gonna do this now, “Big Rich” said so, I’m behind him 110% Baby!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I think Chaz suits up and plays a portion of what would otherwise be a big workload. At least I hope.
Speaking Henderson. Boy, you guys got to be proud of him. He’s holding down that LT spot. Don’t hear a peep from there. & Gallery ..boy what a turnaround.
Sanchez is sucking right now but he’s not what you should be concerned about imho. You should be asking can the Raiders stop the Jets running game. If so they win hands down. If not ..its going to be a long day.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Ghost,
I can’t stand Dilfer. He makes me sick on NFL live. I remember when he was getting crushed on this board over his conduct at the draft w/ Jackson and Carter re Heward-Bey. Some people defended him, saying they knew him and his family in NoCal. That he’s really a good guy. Maybe so.I know he suffered tragedy in his personal life, and my sympathies go out to him and his family. But the guy just seems to have an axe to grind with the Raiders, especially Russel.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Last weeks 4th and 1 was brilliant play-calling, execution JMAC, it shoulda been six!!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
choked up for sure
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
You stop the run by attacking it. Not sitting back and waiting. If the defense attacks the Jets it’ll be a good day.
The offense can help by scoring and forcing the Jets out of the run game and putting it in Sanchez’s hands. That’s where Chaz comes in. Hopefully he’s good to go. There’s a lot of hopes on his shoulders.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Terrapin,
You must attack ANY offense run or pass, we proved that last week.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Raider E Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Last weeks 4th and 1 was brilliant play-calling, execution JMAC, it shoulda been six!!!!!
A football throw gets it done.
Russell put up a short stop to first base throw.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I just hope Jamarcus “1 tool in the toolbox” Russell outplays his “Alpha male” boytoy Mark Sanchise on Sunday. I wanna see how he spins it on espn monday. And calling Dilfer a mediocre qb is giving him the benefit of the doubt. He was a total bust in Tampa. He’s got jewelry, but he rode that defense and Jammal Lewis’ coattails in Baltimore. That pass to Sharpe still pisses me off nine years later. It was a fluke. I still say M. Pope pulls his arms back to avoid a p.i., and it ends up going eighty.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
You think it’s about time Russell had a 300 yard passing game. Over/Under at 314….
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I feel ya 909
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Raider E…
Let’s just be happy if Russell gets 214 & 0 INTS.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Even though we won last week, we were 4 of 14 on third down!!!! If we could just go 50% on third down we score 7 more points.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I am a Fresno State fan so I was trying to take it a little easy on Trent and because of his personal loss. But, now if he keeps dog piling on Jamarcus it will be time to take the gloves off. I think we are all being hard on the youth of this team. From Dmac to DHB. I remember the first four years of Sebastian and he was outright horrible and now he looks like one of the best kickers in the league. So, my point is let’s all take a deep breath and let’s see how this young talent on offense develops over then next 3 to 4 years. I think we could all be pleasantly surprised. Also, you should never boo your own team. I personally feel nothing says stupid fan like booing the home team.. You are there to root for them and bring them up a notch not take them down to the dumps. Just my opinion.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
LO effin L…
Raiders are trying to deny Michael Silver, a press pass for Sunday’s game—pft.com
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Has no one payed attention to the Raiders formula the last 7 years?
1) Play badly for several weeks.
2) Fans drive their cars into oncoming traffic.
3) Show up and get an unexpected win.
4) Fan base will see a glimmer of hope.
5) Follow up win with an enormous FACEPLANT.
6) Fans drive their cars into oncoming traffic.
7) Denial, anger, depression, acceptance.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
I’m still surprised at the treatment of Javon Walker. The guy is getting paid great money to sit on the bench. I’m all for the development of the younger receivers but they could still do that as the #2 and #3 receivers. Schilens is the obvious #1 and JLH was a solid #2 last year and he can’t even get onto the field. This is obviously a youth movement but its hindering our offense in the worst kind of way. They should have started Schilens and Walker with JLH in the slot.
With Schilens getting injured, they should have started Walker and Higgins with DHB and Murphy splitting time in the slot. In my opinion, our offense would have been light years ahead with that starting group over the current one. Its just disappointing.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I couldn’t agree more Ghost. Early in his career Jano, seemed like a complete bust a horrible 1st round pick. He struggled on the field, had legal troubles, and was always battling gout or something. Now he’s one of the most underrated kickers in the league, still perfect on the season, I believe. I remember I thought Nnamdi was a bust at first. Early in his career he gave up huge cushions in coverage. He seemed too tall and lanky to play tight bump and run Raider press coverage. But the guy could hit. I remember they were playing the Chiefs in KC I believe on christmas, When Nam unloaded on Larry Johnson in the flat, knocking him out with a concussion. I thought maybe he could salvage his career and make the Rod Woodson/Albert Lewis switch to FS. Now, look at Aso, he’s widely regarded as the best corner in football.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
That’s why I’m so glad to see Huff get off to such a good start. Maybe the light has finally gone on for him. He was already being written off as a bust. I have the Sporting News draft guide this year, and it was looking back at that Draft class, and the they singled out Huff as the only certifiable bust. I thought Really? Vince Young has been benched for a journeyman, gone awol, and put on suicide watch. Matt Leinert has been benched and more famous for doing beer bongs with underage coeds than anything he’s done on the field,and yet they choose to single out the Raider’s Huff as the only bust. Go figure.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Buckeye,
dont forget Gallery too. He’s now our best Lineman after looking horrible at LT with Shell Regime.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Seymour says “Mark my words, Raiders will be in playoffs”.
Despite the outlandishness of that statement, I love it!
Will Raiders REALLY make playoffs? C’mon. We’d all be ecstatic if were 8-8, but…it sure says a lot about the media and how they are continuously WRONG in their coverage of the Raiders, because it sure as heck doesn’t sound like a statement a guy who supposedly was “horrified” at the prospect of coming to the Raiders would say.
He’s “in’ baby. And once again the biased media and all the haters on here who claimed Seymour wouldn’t even show up, can bite me.
The haters have enough “real stuff” to rip Oakland for without having to make stuff up.
I guess the Raider “dysfunctionalism” hasn’t spooked Seymour like everyone said.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Djohnnyg,
During that same interview one of the hosts said “you didn’t even want to go to Oakland”. Seymour shot back “you never heard me say that!”
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I would only argue that Henderson has been the best O linemen this year. And for all the people saying that we only won 13 – 9 against Philly they are wrong it was 20- 9. I was there. We scored a pick six that the NFL took away. I count it. And yes if our defense can play like that and our offense get’s just a little more production we can beat the Jets. I’m in on the coolaid and I’m totally done with the naysayers. We are getting better. Go Raiders.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
man, is schillens made out of clay or sum s h i t ? dude needs take vitamin c pills. he been hurt since junior high .
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Unfortunately, Schilens has had injury problems for a while. He missed most of his senior year due to injury and had a hard time staying on the field last year.
Some guys can’t stay healthy and it ultimately can stop a career. Its not fair, but that’s life.
Maybe that’s why they drafted 2 receivers this year. Knowing that Schilens would be an injury problem.
JLH on the other hand. THey have already inexplicably given up on him. Must not be a Cable favorite
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Alisgod
Absolutely. I can’t wait for the big man’s return. Get him back next to Henderson. That will be huge. If they can come out and match last weeks intensity and physicality, let alone bring the heat, they can handle the Jets. Then this young team can start building some confidence. They should be looking forward to their rematch w/SD, knowing they outplayed them the first time.If they could go into the Bye at 4-4. Regroup, get Gallery, Chaz and DMac back, they could be a team to reckon with down the stretch. Man, I’m starting to sound like TJ. I’m getting in the foxhole with Priest. Gimme some of that Koolaid.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
jlh is actin like a puss. he got hit hard by sand diego safety now he scared. i wish i was a raider reciever .
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
As for the Fargas debate.
Fargas is a decent running back but he is not a starter.
A strong running game can be a dominating factor in a game. Fargas is a complimentary type back that can grind it out in sitations. But you cannot start a running back that can’t score touchdowns.
Michael Bush is the running back with the most upside on this football team. Give him the ball!
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I dunno SnB …
I have the top WRs on this team (gut feeling) as Chaz, Murphy, Miller, and DHB.
JLH gives us nothing in the running game as far as blocking, and he just seems to not be there after that big hit he took.
Unfortunately, JLH appears to be out there running scared, so what can you do?
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Davis has to draft for now though. This team is deep in development and needs young players ready to play.
Davis drafts as if this is a playoff team looking for developmental players down the road.
DHB is clearly a developmental guy. Could the Raiders afford him? Murphy is the more ready to play guy. He makes a ton of mistakes…but at least he’s making a few plays.
DHB needs to have more than 2 catches at this point
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Bush doesn’t run hard enough for me! I’m rooting for the kid, no question, but damn I wish he had HALF the crash test dummy running style in him that Fargas had. I have to say I agree with Cable in his assesment of what Fargas brings to the table!
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I really like Murphy. He’s got some holes in his game he needs to work on with regard to rout running. He also needs to hang onto the ball. But the guys made some plays. He’s also gotten jobbed on a couple of big plays/calls. That blocking on Millers td was just pure hustle. Awesome. Hopefully that rubs off on some of his young teammates. The guy has a bit of an edge to him. He’s feisty, a little U of F cockiness. I think he’s gonna be a hell of a player. DHB, hopefully he’s a late bloomer. He may also be pressing. Trying to justify his 7 spot. I think if Russell could just hit him for a quick slant for 80 to the house, it would do so much for both of their confidence.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
JHill,
JLH hasn’t been on the field enough to make any judgements. I am sure he’s been hit before. I don’t understand how you go from a starter to the number 5 receiver on the team.
DHB is not making any plays right now. WHy not shake it up a little and get someone else some reps. Perhaps try DHB in the slot…something…its tough putting Russell out there with a receiver still trying to find his way.
At least JLH has made some plays in the past with Russell
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Sure, DHB is a developmental guy now as most rookie WR are. I think we can all agree that DHB can be used much more effectively than he has been. I’d venture to say that you are going to see some things this weekend from DHB just so the whole Crabtree vs DHB thing won’t be SUCH an issue. I think you might see a reverse or two to the guy a bit earlier than in the red zone, lol. And we should have a few fakes based off that threat as well. DHB should also be moved around and play out of the slot. Instead, we’ve seen him basically be a high priced vertical route runner. Kinda sad if you ask me.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
jhill Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Bush doesn’t run hard enough for me! I’m rooting for the kid, no question, but damn I wish he had HALF the crash test dummy running style in him that Fargas had. I have to say I agree with Cable in his assesment of what Fargas brings to the table!
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Thre aren’t too many backs that run as hard as Fargas. Problem is he has no vision. How do you have as many attempts as Fargas does and have 1 TD on a 1yd run?
Bush at least shows some vision when he runs. He can break tackles and make tacklers miss.
This offense needs a 100 yard back. Fargas’ game last week was great in situations. Excellent to close out a game and get that extra few yards in crunch time. But as you can see it doesn’t lend itself to points on the board.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Bush will run fine with Russell at fullback. Fargas should be the backup.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
DHB can’t catch. That is why Crabtree should have been the selection.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I agree with the fact that Fargas SHOULD be the backup. But there is no denying that Bush and McFadden give Cable PLENTY of reasons to go with Fargas. Outside of the SD game, the Bush/McFadden combo just was not getting it done. I blame a lot of that on the Oline play. But anyone can run through a line that has open holes, ya know? Bush and McFadden were supposed to be the type of backs that can “make something happen”, or should we say make their Oline look much better than it is. Bush, with his size? He should be BETTER than Jacobs, but I just don’t see it.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
JHill,
Yeah, DHB has been crudely used so far. Video game like if you ask me. Hopefully the light is coming on with Al Davis. Gotta play some modern football and recognize that human players have limitations that need to be accounted for.
Just like throwing short to the FB is a great play that moves the chains.
Perhaps we will see a return of the slot receiver this week
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
That is another player i left off the list that is returning/set to return, who could help the Raiders regroup. JLH. I would also like to see him get more pt at receiver, but they really need him to jumpstart the special teams. Last year the return game was huge in the meager success the Raiders did have. Not only the 5 returns to the house, 3 punts by JLH and 2 Kickoffs by J Miller, but also a lot of nice returns to midfield. This struggling offense could use those short fields. This year the revolving kick returners are struggling to reach the 20, and getting nothing on punt returns. So, a healthy JLH back returning punts would also be huge.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Kirk,
Really, we shouldn’t have taken a WR at 7. I can understand passing on an OT with the plans they had for Barnes. Personally, I just don’t see how they didn’t take an impact player in the front 7. We are talking about PRE Seymour here. My vote was for a LB or DE so I wanted Maulauga, Curry, or Orakpo.
JMO!
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
JHill,
I think if Cable didn’t lose his mind in the 2nd half of that S.D game….Bush would have had a signature game this year.
I also noticed that when Fargas was in there…Cable finally committed to running the ball. Let’s face it. The Raiders SHOULD NOT have drafted DMAC with Fargas and Bush on the roster.
Cable wants Fargas to get the ball….DMAC can’t stay healthy and Bush played such a strong role in that Tampa game that he can’t be ignored.
3 running backs can’t get enough carries
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
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October 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
damn we need this game.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
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October 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
jhill Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Kirk,
Really, we shouldn’t have taken a WR at 7. I can understand passing on an OT with the plans they had for Barnes. Personally, I just don’t see how they didn’t take an impact player in the front 7. We are talking about PRE Seymour here. My vote was for a LB or DE so I wanted Maulauga, Curry, or Orakpo.
JMO!
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Yeah. Well at least Davis realized his mistake and fixed it by getting Seymour. Everyone who was preaching for front 7 help was vindicated when they had to throw the hail mary and get Seymour.
Still need a linebacker.
I will say this though. Pleasantly surprised with the play AND leadership displayed by Gerard Warren. So I owe him an apology. I think Seymour has really helped him reach his potential
TK…still too pedestrian for his pay grade.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Kirk – Do I have to say it again? Crabgreed is a possession WR and we have one of those all ready in Schillens. Crabtree and DHB play two entirely different positions, kind of like how like how guard and tackle are different even though both are on the line.. Would you have been happy with Crabtree on the bench backing up Schillens who is bigger, faster and more experienced because thats what would have happened. Come on dude. Think…
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
# No More Infield or Trolls Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Kirk – Do I have to say it again? Crabgreed is a possession WR and we have one of those all ready in Schillens. Crabtree and DHB play two entirely different positions, kind of like how like how guard and tackle are different even though both are on the line.. Would you have been happy with Crabtree on the bench backing up Schillens who is bigger, faster and more experienced because thats what would have happened. Come on dude. Think…
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what Hakeem Nicks or Knox? are they possession receivers? DHB sucks and should have been 3 round pick maybe a 2 at best not a top 10 pick. He struggled in college and didnt even play football until his senior year in high school. Dude is a bust.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm
We will find out soon about Crabtree. He plays his first game on Sunday. He will be a much better player than DHB IMHO.
Jhill, you are right. Until Al Davis understands that the offensive line is the most important position on the football field, we will continue to suck. The Broncos chose Clady in the first round and we chose McFumble. They are in first place, we are 2-4.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
No More Dignity or Balls,
You’re an Oakland Raider fan who still believes in the Al Davis system. You telling someone else to think is just hilarious.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
some of the media has lightweight jumped on the raiders bandwagon some people hate either way but when you play with some emotion and want-to people will give you credit
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Al Davis is trying to ban yet someone else from the press box? There’s only one person whose banning would actually bring up the morale around the coliseum and influence the team to play better: Al Davis.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
A rich man once asked his children what they wanted to be for holloween. The first wanted to be batman so he recieved a full outfit batmobile and all………the second son wanted to be a clown, so he recieved a full three ring circus to be a clown in. The third son said he wanted a mickey mouse outfit so his dad bought him the Oakland Raiders!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
You would get banned for that, Frank. And don’t forget, Al’s tight with Walt Disney and speaks to him every day…at least he thinks he does. Shhhhhh.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I hope I dont get banned from my Sunday Ticket this sunday for the joke………….
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
cable on Sapp……..“That’s someone who really doesn’t know what the hell they’re talking about,” Cable said. “I mean that, you can quote it just like I said it.
Classic! Sapp is a HAS been
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Sapp’s a future hall of famer, Glutten. Cable will be working at Safeway next year at this time.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
sapp is a moron who look’s like shrek.
he picked the chargers on monday so i bet my friend 50 dollars on the spot that denver would win. sapp is an idiot.
i can’t wait for someone with name recognition to retire so the networks will drop his stupid ass.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
# jhill Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Bush doesn’t run hard enough for me! I’m rooting for the kid, no question, but damn I wish he had HALF the crash test dummy running style in him that Fargas had. I have to say I agree with Cable in his assesment of what Fargas brings to the table!
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I completely agree. Funny thing is, every one is willing to throw Jamarcus under the bus even tho he has had NO running game to speak of with Bush and McFumblor in there. Think a running game makes a difference?? Mark Sanchez has the 2nd best running game in the league and he is still struggling. Imagine no running game.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Sapp’s a future hall of famer, Glutten. Cable will be working at Safeway next year at this time.
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sapp is about as good a comentator as cable is a coach !!!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Cable will not be working at Safeway next year. For one thing he is making enough money this year to have a little financial security, and for another thing he was a respected o-line coach even before coming to The Raiders and if he were to need a job he could get one as a position coach in a minute.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm
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October 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Sapp’s going to the hall of fame, based on his own work.
Al Davis is only going to the hall thanks to Ron Wolf. If not for Ron Wolf, Al might be in as some egg head business type guy, but that’s it.
Tom Cable, again, will be working at Safeway this time next year.
You idiots want to keep discussing this?
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm
A respected O line coach….ha ha ha hah!!!!!! You guys never heard of him before he came here, and there’s a reason for that. He’s not a respected o-line coach. He’s just an o-line coach. And he will be bagging groceries in a year. Just imagine all of the questions he’ll be getting about the Raiders when he’s walking customers out to their cars. And, that bow tie will look really cool. Also, he might want to learn to control his temper. Safeway clerks don’t generally get away with punching co workers.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
“Hell…lo, Randy”.
“Hi, Tom”.
“Well, Randy, wow, this is awkward, look, man, I’m really sorry…”
“…Whatever. I’ll take plastic, Tom”.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm
A respected O line coach….ha ha ha hah!!!!!! You guys never heard of him before he came here, and there’s a reason for that. He’s not a respected o-line coach. He’s just an o-line coach. And he will be bagging groceries in a year. Just imagine all of the questions he’ll be getting about the Raiders when he’s walking customers out to their cars. And, that bow tie will look really cool. Also, he might want to learn to control his temper. Safeway clerks don’t generally get away with punching co workers.
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none of that changes the fact that sapp is a moron
and as for the hall of fame it will be a long wait there are other people who played his position who will get in before him. if he ever get’s in. One player that comes to mind is STRAHAN.
but i agree about cable i like him as much as i like warren shrek.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Sapp, through his mouth, is like most posters here, a blow hard. The industry knows this and let’s him down-play his cred daily, just gives them something to talk about. Called an easy lay, in my day!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
i guess they didn’t play the same postion but both d-lineman.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Sapp’s a future hall of famer, Glutten. Cable will be working at Safeway next year at this time.
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MR are you drinking?? If not, whatever you are on, cut the dose. As I posted earlier, Cable is 5-7 in his last 12 and 4-4 in his last 8. Coming from a team with a .250 over the last 5+ years, that is a good trajectory. He is doing a much better job than anyone since Gruden. Might be time to get behind what this guy is preaching.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm
what i would like to do next offseason is for davis to make a trade for aaron kampman. hes a natural end in a base 4-3 defense instead of a 3-4 lb. move seymour inside and tell kelly to hit the bricks. resign warren at a backup salary and draft a young run stuffer in the draft. that dline would be so versatile and set. kelly disappears too much for me and should be much more active playin next to seymour. we are missing a beast in the middle to take this d to the next level and i would love to get b spikes from florida.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Sapp used to be called the “seagull” because he flies in craps all over the place and then leaves.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Sapp is a pie wagon!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Up Loco Engineer,
You know who’s a moron? Anyone who still remotely believes in Al Davis. Even remotely believes in him. You calling Sapp a moron is like Oprah calling someone fat.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
OK, Oakglenn. Nice argument for Cable. I’ve got it copied and pasted, with this page’s link, on to my desk top folder titled, “moronic comments from IBA’s blog to be thrown back in people’s faces”. Thank you, and we will discuss this again in the future.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
OK, Oakglenn. Nice argument for Cable.
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I don’t know if it is an argument for Cable as much as it is a statement of fact. Argue the facts.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Again, guys, Sapp is a future hall of famer, based on his OWN WORK. Al Davis is only in thanks to Ron Wolf. Without Wolf, Al might be in as some business type honor, or something. Some egg head, business suit, ribbon cutting b.s. But not as a GM or owner. They should remove Al’s bust and put Wolf’s there.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
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Cable under scrutiny again: as coach
By Cam Inman
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 10/23/2009 06:18:11 PM PDT
Updated: 10/23/2009 06:18:12 PM PDT
RAIDERS COACH Tom Cable remains under investigation. But in a good way. As in, can the man coach?
He still needs to convince a jury of football fans he can pull off the most daunting coaching job at the NFL’s wackiest workplace. So far, the jury is deadlocked, more so because the Raiders’ recent past obscures Cable’s legitimate potential.
Cable spent most of last season lugging around the tricky “interim coach” tag. This season, he’s had a different alias: potential defendant in a felony assault case.
Now that he won’t be charged in the Randy Hanson assault/lecture, it’s time to take the gloves off, so to speak. Feel free to truly scrutinize what Cable has done, is doing and can do — strictly as Raiders coach.
Is he really the coach of the league’s worst-ranked offense? Or is he the coach who can rally a maligned unit for an upset win (see: last Sunday’s vs. Philadelphia)?
“I’ve been around Hall of Fame coaches, and Tom Cable has all those qualities, plus some,” Raiders defensive coordinator John Marshall said Thursday.
This isn’t the first time Marshall vouched for Cable, mind you. Marshall was at the flash point of the Aug. 5 training-camp incident that left Hanson, a defensive assistant, with a broken jaw, via a still murky combination of stern lecturing and human dominoes.
On Thursday, the Napa County district attorney announced Cable would not be charged with assault, mainly
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because of inconsistencies in Hanson’s tale and opposing testimony from the three witnesses, Marshall and fellow assistants Willie Brown and Lionel Washington.
“We’re happy for Tom that’s off his back,” Marshall said. —… You always have to be happy when the truth comes out. I felt in my heart it was a matter of getting all the facts cleared up.”
Throughout the saga, Cable admirably kept his, ahem, chin up. He never gave the impression he lost focus on his coaching duties, even if his club sustained terrible losses this month at Houston and at the New York Giants.
Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha said of Cable: “He’s a guy who knows how to stay focused regardless of what’s going on around him.”
That, folks, is a definite job requirement for any Raiders coach or player.
Off the field, Cable exercised his right to remain silent rather than add to the legal “turmoil.”
“That’s not what I’m here to do,” Cable said. “I’m here to be the Oakland Raiders football coach and get this team to win and turn it around. That needed to be my focus, and I think it was. I think we handled that the right way.”
We, as in his vast supporters. He received more backing than any Raiders coach in recent memory, and that goes beyond how “the D.A. did a tremendous job in laying out exactly what went down,” Cable said.
Al Davis didn’t cave to Hanson’s unknown (but likely monetary) demands. Cable’s players backed him from the day this story broke, chanting “Cable, Bumaye!” while they stretched in training camp. His coaches, not surprisingly, didn’t rat him out, though it’s worth noting the D.A. never claimed he was a dirty rat.
Cable is a likable guy, so people stuck up for him. Time now for him to clear up his win-loss record, and he’s attempting this while wearing too many hats (coach/play caller/offensive line guru).
Marshall offered a four-pronged compliment for why Cable is a “very good” coach, all of which are legitimate points.
No. 1: Cable relates very well to players, knows their needs and says the right things to them.
No. 2: Cable, unlike most NFL coaches, works for the franchise he grew up cherishing. “Tom has truly been a Raiders’ guy,” Marshall said. “This is a dream come true for him, to be the head coach of a football team he’s always admired and watched.”
No. 3: Cable is shrewd, and as Marshall advised, don’t let the dairy-farmer stories fool you.
No. 4: Cable’s ability to be straightforward is his most touted attribute in the locker room. “He’s honest, upfront, pulls no punches,” Marshall said. “That’s good for players and coaches. But he drives them hard and pushes everyone to make them the best.”
Sunday’s game against the reeling New York Jets is the biggest in Cable’s 19-game tenure. Can his blockers protect JaMarcus Russell from blitzes? Can a wide receiver emerge over the middle where Russell’s throws are more accurate? Can Raiders pass rushers hassle rookie QB Mark Sanchez? Can the linebackers stop Jets running back Thomas Jones from bouncing outside for long runs?
Most important, can Cable keep the Raiders from being overconfident after their upset of the Eagles? Answered Cable: “What do we have to be confident about? We’re 2-4.”
Oh yeah, there is that incriminating evidence about his coaching record. Let this investigation resume Sunday.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm
A respected O line coach….ha ha ha hah!!!!!! You guys never heard of him before he came here, and there’s a reason for that. He’s not a respected o-line coach. He’s just an o-line coach.
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you’re an idiot as always. He is considered the BEST ZBS line coach in the game prior to arriving in Oakland. did you forget the transition from 2006 to 2007? you’re an idiot as always and I do very much enjoy blasting your stupid a$$ each fcking week and every fcking day.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Armond, we haven’t seen the bst of what this defense has to offer, I wish I could see film of the last game because kelly’s play would be of interest to me as well as the LB’s. T Scott seemed to regain his form of last year he is central to the effectiveness of this defense.
But you’re right about Kelly at the 3 he has to wreak havoc and when he does this defense is in the top teir of the league. This game on Sunday will tell us a lot about the maturity of this team. Th NYJ are very vunerable right now but are we ready to take advantage of that.
We need Schilens against more in the SD than we do this game so if indeed he’s not quite there hold him out another week and be sure to have vs SD. I want to take over 2nd place in the division by the bye week.
But back to Kelly an the rotation we have a DT on this team. I say we stand pat. Due to the additions of Matt S. and Dez Bryant on this line. These two kids can flat out play and they will take over this defense in the next 2 -3 years along with Scott. So I ay we hae what we need it is normal for 300+ lbers to run a little hot and cold and Kelly certainly does that but when he is on we’ve seen him play at the top pro-bowl level.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Again, guys, Sapp is a future hall of famer, based on his OWN WORK
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How was his work in Oakland?
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Fair enough, Oakglenn. Then let’s make it interesting. What’s the team’s record at the end of this year? Don’t tell me you don’t know, mr. Cable believer.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
AlisGod, you never heard of Cable before he was hired here. If your mission now is to convince me otherwise, save yourself the energy.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
yeah priestt i agree completely on chaz not playing this weekend. i was hopin to see him out there but we should be able to handle the jets without him. jruss has no choice but to trust these youngins whether he likes it or not. that throw away in the 4th that made cable call him out was disturbing. HE needs to make his guys better and underthrowing murph on that 4th and 1 was pathetic. as for kelly i have to say ive seen enuff of him. he runs more cold than hot and the amount of money he makes requires him to be better. he has to step it up the remainder of this season for us to really takeoff. yes we havent seen the best of this d and i like matt s and bryant alot. i really think we are a dt and lb away from really being special on defense. can we please start huff at fs now?
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Also, AlisFraud, Sapp only came to Oakland to collect a check. Twilight of his career. He’ll be in the hall based on what he did in Tampa. Any other spit balls you want to throw at may grenade launcher?
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
getting to 4-4 at the bye week is huge for us. we can get totally healthy and begin to establish roles on this squad. i want to see what kind of pressure n miller puts on jlh for return duties on punts. if cable were smart hed let jlh return kicks now instead of holland to get him involved. its no excuse to see holland run 15 yds a kick when jlh showed he can do it better until miller recovers. chaz dmc gallery and even green coming back is huge for kc. im expecting to be 5-4 after the kc game. i hope they rise to the challenge.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Just how dumb do you have to be to proclaim someone a bust after 6 gams in his NFL career. I would not have drae DHB or DMC but to procliam either a bust at this point in their career is not smart.
DMC is struggling to stay healthy but he has shown flashes. While DHB is struggling period but he’s also on a team with NO vet help and a very young QB who’s got his own set of problems. I fee very strongly that this offense will come together as the season wears on and this time next year be a very exciting an explosive offense but it is a work in progress. The components are just tooo young.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
armond Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
“… we havent seen the best of this d ….”
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Yes, we have. Marshall and Barney Rubble begged Al, like little, undignified children last week to let them change the defensive scheme, and Al gave in, just this one time. Like kids begging their parents for an ice cream. “Oh, ok”.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Noooooo!!! We can’t lose Schilens again. This is a big game and I was looking forward to seeing what JaMarcus could do with Chaz in there. I have a bad feeling that he’s going to be out a while longer now though. Hopefully that’s not the case, it’s just a little soreness and he shakes it off. But I don’t know. I kind of fear he could be out until next week or even after the bye at this point.
Plus we definitely need Seymour at full strength. Sounds like his snaps will be at least reduced if he’s really sick.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
It would sure be nice to get to 4-4 before the bye week. Even 3-5 wouldn’t be the end of the world. After the bye week, we will have a healthy Robert Gallery, Darren McFadden, Chaz Schilens, Khalif Barnes, and Chris Morris. If you look at our 3 games after the bye week they are very winnable. That could put us at 7-4, or 6-5. With a record like that we could make a run at the playoffs. BELIEVE! GO Raiders!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
mr i dont think we have seen the best of this d meaning on a consistant basis. its 1 game so we cant let up. ill leave the al davis “control issues” debates to you oakglenn and priestt. the barney rubble reference is funny tho.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
priesttj Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Just how dumb do you have to be to proclaim someone a bust after 6 gams in his NFL career.
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I don’t know. Ask your fellow Davis hacks, who’ve labeled Crabtree a bust before he’s played his first game.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Armond,
Agreed about Holland. Dude looked good as a WR in preseason but then they move him to CB and now he’s returning kicks? He really runs straight out to the 15 and just stops. He clearly has no idea what he’s doing in that role.
Our kick and punt return units have been piss-poor this season. JLH is clearly not right since his shoulder injury. Last season he’d regularly break off 20 and 30 yard returns each game it seemed in addition to the 3 key TDs (2 came in wins and the other came vs. the Dolphins and we were one 4th down stop away from stealing that one as well). Now he’s lucky to get 5 yards a return it seems. Something’s not right.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Fair enough, Oakglenn. Then let’s make it interesting. What’s the team’s record at the end of this year? Don’t tell me you don’t know, mr. Cable believer.
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I don’t make predictions. I work with facts. The fact is this team has GOT to improve week to week in ALL facets of the game. If we consider that last game a floor game, in other words, we cannot play worse than that and improve in all areas from there, we will win NFL games. No doubt about it.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
cable has been reluctant to play barnes for some reason. i dont like sticking with pears very long at all. the key to this game is #2. he has to put up points early in this game. we need to jump on the jets to force them to make sanchez win this game. i say first play go up top to heybey to get him going and then run the ball. #2 has missed several deep td passes all season and its time to connect on a few. we need to run the ball but we have to pass effectively early on to put them away.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Armond, you’ll leave the Al Davis debates to me because either a) you’re too stupid to present your own argument, or b) you know I’m right.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Oakglenn, that’s what I thought. You don’t believe in Cable, which is why you won’t make a prediction. Just talking your usual sunshine blowing hyperbole. You won’t even predict 8 games! Know why? Because you aren’t sure. You’re just talking out of your azz.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Sup NATION?
I will be happy if we win out @ home!! We have to defend the casa…. Like Gruden said.. “You win your home games and splityour road games” …… It all stars with Playing well @ home… Until then I will continue to go down with the ship…
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Armond, my point about Kelly is more to DT’s are very hard to find that play at a high level game in game out. It just is extremely hard to find them. Even Seymour as great as he is will take games off. My cousin is Chester McGlokton and we used to talk about DT all the time. While he went to the pro-bowl 3 times he would still take games off. Not saying he wouldn’t gie his best effort but it’s extremely difficult for those guy’s to be at their best as often as a 250 lber.
Those guy’s take a vicious beating in there and sometimes the next game comes before they fully heal. he used to say it’s impossible to be consistent all the time. That football in and of itself belies consistency. It’s just too violent.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Armond, you’re too stupid to put up an argument. It’s now obvious. But go ahead and pretend you’re all above if or whatever. If you were, you would have never responded to me to begin with. You’re just too stupid to form an argument in defense of Al.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:41 pm
We should beat the Jets.
Play hard on Defense, especialy against the run, and force the rookie to pass more. We have good pass rushers, solid DBs, and Nnamdi is great.
Offense should improve with Chaz, but don’t expect too much. The Jets have a good Defense.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
mr u dont know me well enuff to go there with me son. ill leave those debates to YOU PRIESTT AND OAKGLENN beacause a)i dont give fook to b)dont need to prove myself c)rather see oakglenn and priestt tag team your ass or d)all of the above
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Interesting insight about the DTs PriestJ.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
# priesttj Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Just how dumb do you have to be to proclaim someone a bust after 6 gams in his NFL career. I would not have drae DHB or DMC but to procliam either a bust at this point in their career is not smart.
DMC is struggling to stay healthy but he has shown flashes. While DHB is struggling period but he’s also on a team with NO vet help and a very young QB who’s got his own set of problems. I fee very strongly that this offense will come together as the season wears on and this time next year be a very exciting an explosive offense but it is a work in progress. The components are just tooo young.
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Some people just never get it ask Cedric Benson,Ronnie Brown,Roddy White,Mario Williams about being bust not everyone can just come right in a blow it up some guys just take longer to adjust to the NFL
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Oakglenn, that’s what I thought. You don’t believe in Cable, which is why you won’t make a prediction.
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No, I just told you I don’t make predictions. You’re drunk aren’t you?? Or did you go back to the hobby shop for that model glue?? that’s it, huffin’. You gotta stop doing that. It seriously rots the brain.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Oakglenn, you won’t make a prediction because you really have no faith. Your prediction doesn’t have to be spot on. Just a ballpark figure. If you had an ounce of faith in Cable, you could predict 8 games. But you know damn good and and well he’s not going to reach the 8 win mark this year, so you’re staying mum, pretending you don’t make predictions. Cowardly ass cop out. Nothing more. Cable sucks and even you know it.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
chris ny, alot of people didnt notice jlh drop every pass he got his hands on in the preseason and then he gets hit on opening day (drop) and its been downhill since. i feel cable paid attention to all of this and jlh has been penalized for it. why would watkins see more time than him? cable went as far as to say he is still shaken by that hit. bottom line is he can be very soft at times. when hes down hes down but when hes up its all good. he has to get himself in order but i cannot sit back and watch holland or watkins out there any longer. give jlh a chance now!!!!!!!!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
priestt i get what u sayin i just feel kelly runs more cold than he should. hey if he played like big chester id have no problems even tho he got his share of criticism too. could u imagine ches on this line man it would be over.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Tommie Kelly is clearly hurt. His lower back is bothering him, but still, produce or get out of the rotation. The new defensive line rotation should give all the linemen a little bit of a break. Desmond Bryant has played OK and Matt Shaunessy has done his job in the limited playing time they are seeing. Even Jay Richardson has two sacks in limited playing time. That’s good.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Oak: 17
Jets: 13
Our offense will score 2 TDs!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Armond, I know enough about you just from reading your comments. You’re an idiot, that’s why you dont’ “discuss Al”. You’re simply not smart enough.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I wasn’t aware that Kelly is hurt. He’s been decent this season though, IMO. Actually, I feel like the whole d-line, backups and everyone, has looked good for the better part of this season.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
TK hasn’t done anything since he got his contract. He is an over paid backup.
I say we need to fix our line, keep only Sey, Scott, and Matt S. Draft and sign others, but cut TK & Warren AKA Money!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Every game to me at least is a winnable game. SD, KC, Cinn, Wash, in Dallas, in Cleveland, Baltimore are all winnable games. The only really tough games to me right now, are in Pitt and in Denver. Now, things change during the course of the year, with teams playing well, injuries, guys emerging. But you want an answer: We run the table or at least win 8-9 of our last 10. How’s that for a prediction??
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
look every1 i have a new fan in here the good ‘ol mr. he wants me to argue with him over al davis cuz he thinks i dont know enuff to argue. he says i think im above it but is fake cuz i responded 1 TIME TO HIS POST ABOUT ME BEING TOO STUPID TO ARGUE WITH HIM OVER A MAN I NEVER MET. an ex girlfriend pulled the same kind of stupid unneccesary shizznit and then i dumped her azz. to argue with a fool is to be foolish which is why i wont argue with YOU. damn maybe its her so i guess i have to change my screen name now. dammitt she found me!!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
TK
Warren
Brown
CJ
Eugene
Green
Cooper
Satele/ Morris
Fargas
Are all backups at best!!!!!!!!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Oakglenn, are you serious? We win 8 or 9 of our last 10? Are you going on record with that? I’ll give you a few seconds to let that last hit of crack wear off, and ask again.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I disagree with you on Baltimore! They have an offense, and they still have a good defense. It’s not great anymore, but it’s still good.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Oakglenn, are you serious? We win 8 or 9 of our last 10?
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Sure. Isn’t that what the great Raiders team have done?? Caught fire and rolled into the playoffs?? The last Super Bowl team was 4-4 and then won 9 of it’s last 10 before the Super Bowl. The 1980 team was 2-3 before winning 13 of it’s last 15. I’m with Seymour. We run the table or win 9 of our last 10. Nice.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
MR,
I said 7-9 remember!
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
yo MR… sup bro?? Ill go on record say we win out 12-4 RAIDERS win the SB… LOL.. Don’t mean its gonna happen but I have a dream…
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
# Raider O Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I disagree with you on Baltimore! They have an offense, and they still have a good defense. It’s not great anymore, but it’s still good.
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Baltimore has dropped three games in a row. Who knows, by the end of the year they might be circling the drain.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I used to say 9-7, but I stopped that by the 3rd preseason game!
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
408, I respect that. At least you have the balls to back up your hype. These clowns like Oakglenn, preist, Al is fraud come in here every single day to tell us how good the team is, then you ask them for a prediction and suddenly they’re mute. It’s because they have no more faith in the team than I do, 408. They just like to read their own Raiders shilling comments, hoping maybe someone from the Raiders will read it and hire them to towel Al off after movements.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
MR.
I appreciate your passion and know that many in the NATION feel the same way you do about Big Al.. I love the guy and take comfort in knowing he wont be around 4 ever.. Till then.. Ill ride it out like a murder beef…
1 NATION!!!!!! 4 LIFE
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
raider o i disagree about the dline. its pretty good just need to make a decision on kelly next year. id rather see someone else if possible but he should play better no doubt. i like warrena s a backup but 5 mill may be too much since we have to pay seymour. ellis sey richarson(2 sacks) scott matt s. dez warren is a pretty good rotation. kelly just needs to be consistant. cj isnt a backup, he is a good cb.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
BTW
I hardly post any more cuz all the whining that has been going on in here lately… It’s the same fools posting the same BS then when we win theyre back on the d1ck…. I read all the time tho I skip certain post…
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
DAILY REMINDER = THE FACTS
Cable is ten times the coach little Lame is.
Lame sabotaged the team for a year after his “I wanted to be a swine coach but Al said no” Tantrum.
Lou hotlz said Lames nickname as a kid was helicopter because he was always stirring things up.
Cable rocks!! JR, Dmac, DHB and the rest of the team will start jelling.
Al knows how to build football teams and you dont.(its a fact)
Raiders 27 wannabees 17
Thats all
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Cotchery and Lito Sheppard out for Jets game
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ak4aWhaUWAHLp.UYZxhzTWBDubYF?slug=ap-jets-cotcheryout&prov=ap&type=lgns
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Why do you guy’s let this fool rope you into these predictions? As if he has right to request this from you.
MR, whatever you think is what YOU think stop trying to provoke people into something their not obligated to do just to satisfy your ignorant ass.
If you guy’s want to make predictions fine, but don’t let this RAT force you to do something you feel uncomfortable doing.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Armond,
I like Ellis, but I think he is 34. If he keeps playing like this, then he should retire as a Rsoder when be wants to. Sey is great, Scott & Matt S have potential, and all the rest are backups at best: TK, Warren, Jay, and Bryant.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
*Raider
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
BHP,
I predicted 9-7, 10-6, and 7-9 so far. Who knows what I will predict next. Maybe 8-8! lol
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
We have Talent, but we are missing:
- DTs
- LBs
- C, RT, and RG
After we fix these issues, and we should start with the Oline, then this team can be a conteder. JR, DMC, and DHB are not the problem. IMHO
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
yeah o but what u have understand is bryant and jay are young guys who can develope plus all of our guys arent going to be starters. i agree about warren and kelly. id keep warren but at a cheaper salary but would look to improve on kelly if he doesnt step it up. i already said id like to draft a dt next year and look at kampamn in green bay then move sey inside where kelly is. unlikely but thats what i would like. lets remember that some guys dont “get it” until their
4th year. i thibk people forget how young we are.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 pm
as much as i get down on kelly i feel we need a beast mlb more than his replacement. when u really study our defense the run problems become more apparent with the lb’s. we have no thumper in our bunch. imagine this d with a true mlb with morrison and howard on the outside. as much as we may want a dt we need lb’s more. we can always get a 2 down dt for run assignments without spending 2 much.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Seymour is just trying to fire ‘em up that’s all. I like it.
We all know if the Raiders finish 8-8 it would be a huge improvement.
I’m good with that, but I don’t have much faith they’ll do it.
I want to believe, but I’ve been burned WAY TOO MANY TIMES in regard to this franchise.
Part of me could see Raiders winning 21-10 against Jets, and another part of me could see Leon Wshington running for 218 yds. and Sanchez throwing six td’s.
Our offense is very weak.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
…and I don’t know what in the heck we’ll get form the D week to week.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
The difference between a stud MLB and a MLB like ours is the way they hit. Watch Lewis from Ravens. He is like a missle. He commits and goes. Our MLB tends to set and wait. Big, big difference.
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Real MR thought you were no longer a fan? You are so bandwagon it’s pathetic…
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Okay I am an Al guy and willing to predict. 9 – 7… theree you go. starts with a win on Sunday… go ahead and log it. It’ss golden… Raids For Ever… 9 – 7
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
9 – 7
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I predicted 8-8 or 9-7 if they could get by the Cowboys who I thought might be struggling by Thanksgiving.
I had wins over Houston and Denver, but a loss to Philly.
So far I am off by 1 game.
However, this team is not as good as I thought they would be and a bad game could send them into another 3 or 4 game skid.
But hey, I was wrong about Philly hanging 40 on them last week so who knows?
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 pm
will go to a funeral in a few minutes the perfect weather for that kind of stuff, gray and rainy…
October 24th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Raiderz gotta get rid of these people like Hanson. He probably was whispering in Mr. Davis’s ear how Kiffin was secretly plotting against him while telling Kiffin how Al was trying to fire him.
Probably trying to do the same thing this year to break up the Raiders. He tries to destroy the Organization and make it seem like he’s just trying to help “well I guess the silver lining was that this was over on Thursday so they can prepare for their next game”…he was creating this distraction for weeks, blatantly lieing and now he’s “happy this distraction is over”. I bet there are more like that in this organization which generate the “internal insanity” which is known in Raiderland. I think Mr. Davis has a couple anti-social types close to him that he listens to which have been throwing this Organization in turmoil for too long.
October 24th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
October 24th, 2009 at 6:35 am
I say if we play to win (like last week) rather than play conservative “not to loose” we do WIN! Open up the offense. Let the defense run wild. It can’t be worse than when we don’t try anything different. We tried something different – it worked last week. Keep putting in new “wild” ideas and let’s see what happens!
Raiders all the way!
October 24th, 2009 at 6:43 am
morning all.
October 24th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Maverick…
Goes back to what Russell said earlier in the week.You’ve got to win with the mind as much as the body.
Go on the field trying to win rather than playing not to lose.
October 24th, 2009 at 7:15 am
football’s on…..later.
October 24th, 2009 at 8:39 am
LMAO @ MR getting Oakglen to predict the Raiders run the table or win 9/10………..hahaha
# Oakglenn Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Every game to me at least is a winnable game. SD, KC, Cinn, Wash, in Dallas, in Cleveland, Baltimore are all winnable games. The only really tough games to me right now, are in Pitt and in Denver. Now, things change during the course of the year, with teams playing well, injuries, guys emerging. But you want an answer: We run the table or at least win 8-9 of our last 10. How’s that for a prediction??
October 24th, 2009 at 8:42 am
And it gets even better when priest realizes his left tit (oakglen) makes a huge mistake and damage control ensues….LMAO @ these derelicts (priest & oak).
Priest pleading with his drones not to let MR trick them into anything…HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
# priesttj Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Why do you guy’s let this fool rope you into these predictions? As if he has right to request this from you.
MR, whatever you think is what YOU think stop trying to provoke people into something their not obligated to do just to satisfy your ignorant ass.
If you guy’s want to make predictions fine, but don’t let this RAT force you to do something you feel uncomfortable doing.
October 24th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Priest, whos the fool here the guy that made the boneheaded prediction or the guy that got the bonehead to make the prediction?
Im going with the former.
LMAO
# priesttj Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Why do you guy’s let this fool rope you into these predictions? As if he has right to request this from you.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Go Buckeyes!! They need an offense!
October 24th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Only no life losers like fistabrown and sad dumraider would take stuff like that seriously. Pathetic.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:02 am
The past has proved to us, that after a win like the the raiders usually come out flat. Lets hope this doesn’t happen sunday.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:09 am
There is really only one game left in the season. This game. Win and we have something to build on. Lose, and we have big problems.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Hanson = Worm-tounge in the Lord of the Rings.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The O Mock Draft for next year will be posted soon.
Great Talent for OTs, Spikes or McClain for MLB/ SLB, and there are a few Dlinemen that can help us.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Oakglen, why dont you just own the retarded krap you say in here on a daily basis instead of lying and name calling. Things might get better for you if you do that but I can see you dont have that in you.
As far as your comment and MR getting you to say it and then priest trying to do damage control it was probably the funniest thing I’ve seen on this blog.
Keep up the bad work Oak, you’re a class clown, fraud,and the village idiot.
lmao
October 24th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Another brilliant statement. Six weeks into the season and this is the final game..
Oakglenn Says:
October 24th, 2009 at 10:09 am
There is really only one game left in the season.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Oakglen, did you get a warm fuzzy feeling in your underoos when priest tried to pick you up off the floor last night?
MR, was shooting fish in a barrell last night.
lmao
October 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am
O,
I have tried to make a deal with Oakglen to end this but he refuses so I’ll just keep making a fool of him.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I think you guys post to each other so much that you developed some odd relationship.
You are always talking about the other person, if he hasn’t been here all day, and you have more arguments than married couples.
October 24th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Buckeyes have no Offense!
October 24th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
October 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am
O,
I have tried to make a deal with Oakglen to end this but he refuses so I’ll just keep making a fool of him.
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I don’t make deals with known liars who are sociopaths. That is the definition of fistabrown. But how bout dem Cleveland Browns, right fistabrown???