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Raiders live chat on Tuesday at noon

By Jon Becker
Monday, October 26th, 2009 at 8:25 pm in Live chats, Oakland Raiders.

Where do the Raiders need to improve on most? Join us here for a Raiders live chat on Tuesday at noon PDT as Jerry McDonald analyzes where the team goes from here following their dismal performance against the New York Jets.

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  • Richochet

    RaiderYYZ Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
    “Richochet Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Good point.
    Did you notice how, prior to being yanked, he would just go sit..by himself…all relaxed?

    Then Grab goes in..and NOW JR HAS ON HIS HELMET? Stands there for 15-20 minutes…helmet on..Like “Ok, now I’m ready to play”??”

    He had his helmet on SO HE COULD LISTEN TO THE PLAYS BEING CALLED. Remember that microphone in QB’s helmets? He cared about what was going on in the game. He had a towel in his hand ready to wave to cheer on his team-mates. When DHB dropped the late pass for a TD he was visibly upset.

    Richochet, he’s not nearly the bad guy you make him out to be.
    =========================
    Actually, that’s incorrect.

    Only ONE helmet can receive signals. No more than one. Some teams have just one helmet with the green dot on it, and have had instances where the backup would go in quickly, because of an injury, and had to wait to switch helmets, and had to have players run in the plays, like days of old.

    In every other instance? Other teams? The backup, waiting/hoping to go in? Is RIGHT NEXT TO THE GUY CALLING THE PLAYS..in some cases they’re the ones actually calling in the plays, which is the coaches way of keeping them involved, and learning what’s going on.

    BTW..I don’t think Jr’s a bad guy, just a spoiled rotten clueless football player who apparently doesn’t have the desire to apply himself.

    Isn’t that the real shame?

  • LA to TheBay

    Rich seems like the kind of guy who secretly hopes the Raiders get it right, then when they don’t, he’s able to tell everyone he’s right and they’re a peanut. Feels good personally to play “gotcha,” but still upset the Raiders lost, if they are indeed his team.

    He’s either a serious Raider Hater or he’s a seriously jaded Raider fan.

    I can’t say I blame him, he’s a sharp guy/gal, just an @$$ in my opinion.

  • RaiderRockstar

    the remaining Jamarcus Russell fans need to form a support group.

    the 1st step to correcting a problem is to admit that you have a problem.

  • neilb

    England….

    Your passport in order ? IF I win the Euro on Friday you,me,LMN and El Tato are going to San Diego !!

    Later….

  • LA to TheBay

    My buddy is just like that.

    Oakland native. Ex- DB. Despises Al Davis. Talks sh;t constantly.

    But when I watched that Monday Night game with him, he came alive. He was jumping up and down and loved the intensity.

    You saw him crawl right back into his shell on the last 2 SD drives. He knew what was coming and became dejected. When the clock hit 0.00, I was watching like, how did we lose that game?

    He already twisted one, pouring some Henny and said “you see man, I told you so.”

  • Crude Earl

    There are no Russell fans…..just idiots that bought his jersey and don’t want to admitt he’s a total BUST!

  • Richochet

    LA to TheBay Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:24 am
    Rich seems like the kind of guy who secretly hopes the Raiders get it right, then when they don’t, he’s able to tell everyone he’s right and they’re a peanut. Feels good personally to play “gotcha,” but still upset the Raiders lost, if they are indeed his team.

    He’s either a serious Raider Hater or he’s a seriously jaded Raider fan.

    I can’t say I blame him, he’s a sharp guy/gal, just an @$$ in my opinion.

    =============================
    ass?

    ASS????

    Moi’?????

    Ok..I can live with that. ;)

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    SilvernSmac, you want to talk next week’s game? Fair enough. The Raiders don’t stand a chance against the Dolts unless Al Davis drives his motorized cart onto the street and gets up ended by about 10 cars.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Is SD gonna try and run the ball on us even though they suck at it this year?

    ***

    Tomlinson & Sproles have a combined 104 carries for 342 rushing yards & 2 TD’s (both against the Raiders). thats 3.2 yards per carry

    the way to beat them:
    1 – pressure Rivers
    2 – cover Sproles, Gates & Jackson

    Fargas & Bush have a combined 110 carries for 408 yards & 2 TD’s (both by Bush – of course). thats 3.7 yards per carry

    the way to beat them:
    1 – run the ball
    2 – no turnovers

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Hey LMN!

    How’s everything?
    Don’t see you on here much anymore.

    Did you get married or are the pirates getting too much for you?
    ________________________________________________________

    everything is good, even with the terr0r threads from an american and canadian citizen…

    nope not married =) but i’ve got a new GF and that is much more interesting than talking about how poor a team we got =) LOL

    No pirates for me at the moment, and apparently no raiders either, (pun intended)

    but I really dont like being here on this blog when its this hard communicating with each other… when i post something its post 8 minutes behind ‘real-time’ its pathetic, my nephews blog works better and he is only 9…

    so im only here for hit’n'runs…

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am
    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/October/09-nsd-1157.html

    Scary, when our friends starting planning to attack us : /

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Friends? Maybe they’re YOUR friends Mr. Kaffiyeh, but the rest of the world calls them Jihadis or Terrorists.

    Citizenship makes no difference, especially in the U.S. where freedom of association and freedom of/from religion are somewhat the law.

  • RaiderRockstar

    later guys. back to work

    carpe diem!

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    BSJ…

    well we see americans and canadians as our friends, but maybe we should take that thought up to revision..

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Russell has directed the offense to an unbelievable total offensive point score of 62 compared to the Saints 238.
    The only worse scoring offense is SL with 60.

    Sure we have other problems on the team but Russell is making them all worse.
    The defense is just plain worn out with Russell’s repeated three and out stuff in every game.

    After Russell’s first three drives (fumble, interception, interception) you could see that the rest of the team were not trying as hard because they knew what was going to happen when Russell got his hands on the ball again.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    terrorists. LOL. Bush isn’t president. We don’t have to call everyone a terrorist anymore.

  • RaiderYYZ

    “Richochet Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    “Actually, that’s incorrect.

    Only ONE helmet can receive signals. No more than one. Some teams have just one helmet with the green dot on it, and have had instances where the backup would go in quickly, because of an injury, and had to wait to switch helmets, and had to have players run in the plays, like days of old.”"

    Actually Richochet i’m pretty sure i’m right.

    Only one player at a time ON THE FIELD can have a speaker, not the entire team. I don’t know who would be able to actually confirm whether JaMarcus was listening to the plays but pretty sure he was. Even Dan Diedorf said that’s what he was doing during the broadcast…

  • Silver-n-Smac

    Richonuts says:

    try this:
    1. type comment.
    2. ctrl-a (to highlight)
    3. ctrl-c (to copy)
    4. hit RED X NEXT TO ADDRESS BAR (stops hamsters)
    5. hit refresh double-arrow bar
    6. after page refreshes hit red x (see above re: hamsters)
    7. ctrl-v (to paste comment)
    8. hit RED X AGAIN..(stops the hamsters from trying to think outside the “box”)
    9. hit “Submit Comment”

    Only takes a couple of seconds, and works MOST of the time..not all.

    IF it works, please send Haggis ASAP….if not? Never mind :)

    **********************************************

    O.K., that’s officially the 1st & only time you got me to laugh.

    Job well done.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Personally, I want to see what Frye can do but we need to bench Russell early in the week and tell someone else to give it a shot.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Put JaWalrus through USMC bootcamp in the offseason. If he still can’t play QB, at least he won’t be a fat, undisciplined bust.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    MR:

    We don’t call them terrorists anymore?

    What is it? Humanly challenged people?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    # CJ Legend 34 Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Does anyone want to bet me that Russel goes to another team and wins a back up position as someones project and eventually a starter?

    Russel has 4 issues: 1) his wasteline 2) A new coach and scheme every year 3) confidence in this team starting with himself, to the line, to the coaches, to the D. 4) A veteran WR that he count on to get open.

    I am not Russel fan but you put the back up in the game and I saw the same garbage play.
    ………………………………..

    I’ll take this bet. Russell is overweight, slow to read defenses, telegraphs his throws, has a slow release, has footwork problems, accuracy problems, horrible work ethic, lacks leadership qualities, and can’t even speak freakin english for God’s sake.

    He will be on another team next year I’m sure. Because someone out there will think they can do better than Al and make this guy a winner, but then he will be gone.

    HE WILL NEVER BE A STARTER ONCE HE LEAVES OAKLAND!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:38 am
    terrorists. LOL. Bush isn’t president. We don’t have to call everyone a terrorist anymore.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Did you read the article clown? They were plotting to blow up a building in Denmark, which qualifies as terrorism.

    Sort of what you try to do in this blog. But you’re too weak.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    What is it with liberals being afraid to call terrorists terrorists?

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Good for you Bo, but I’m answering Mr’s post.

    Lunatics who go around killing people they don’t like are effin terrorists!

  • LA to TheBay

    In order to beat SD, you have to play smart football and call high percentage plays.

    They won’t be caught of guard a second time. The reason we almost won the game was managable 3rd down situations (which we converted the fist 5, I believe), and resiliency.

    After the early pick and fumble, we continued to battle back and were close enough to not fold.

    We outmuscled them physically, a feat we were only able to achieve one other time this season and we got a W out of it.

    Again, keys to the game:

    -Start well early. No holes to climb out of.
    -Run the ball. Keep your D off the field.
    -Play action is where Russell is his best.
    -Miller Time!!
    -Play with heart, play with fire.

    Who wants it more?
    Commitment to excellence.
    Pride and poise.
    Just win, baby.

    All sound like corny slogans, but they’re all essentially right.

    The team that is more poised, focused and plays with more violence, like they want it more, is the team that will just win. Baby.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Man this blog sucks!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    but I really dont like being here on this blog when its this hard communicating with each other… when i post something its post 8 minutes behind ‘real-time’ its pathetic, my nephews blog works better and he is only 9…

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    AMEN TO THAT.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am
    What is it with liberals being afraid to call terrorists terrorists?

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I’m a liberal and I brought it up.

  • LA to TheBay

    “Only one player at a time ON THE FIELD can have a speaker, not the entire team. I don’t know who would be able to actually confirm whether JaMarcus was listening to the plays but pretty sure he was. Even Dan Diedorf said that’s what he was doing during the broadcast…”

    The 2nd QB has the mic in his helmet. Typically, the 2nd QB does not have his helmet on, as he does not expect to play. That’s why you see most of them with the headset on.

    Even Robert Gallery, in street clothing, has the play calls fed to him via microphone.

    On MNF, Russell was knocked out of the game briefly. After getting attention on the sideline, he had his helmet on, right on the chalk, ready to get back in.

    Whether or not he was ready to play or listening to play calls last Sunday, I have no problems with.

    I like that he’s eager to get back into the play, but I would also like to see him talking to his WRs and coach on the sideline. Usually he goes to his spot on the bench, and Grad is pretty much the first one over there, followed typically by the coaches and Frye.

  • LA to TheBay

    If Russell ends up talking with Cable before he hits the bench, it’s usually because Cable initiated it, although occasionally Russell comes to him, for example after the Murphy No-TD.

    Cable has also been getting on Russell the last two weeks on the sideline. During the Eagles game, he came out on the field and was pointing out what should have happened on the play.

    I must say, that is one thing I’ve seen from Cable recently I like.

    He needs to treat SD just like after the NYG game.

    “I don’t care what the outcome is, just hit ‘em in the f’ing mouth!”

  • UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER

    JaDarrenBey is our problem along with cable and al

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am
    Good for you Bo, but I’m answering Mr’s post.

    Lunatics who go around killing people they don’t like are effin terrorists!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Lets all pray that MR doesn’t become representative of liberal views or rhetoric. The only phrase that needs to be retired is “War on Terror”. Unless Al Davis uses it as part of a lawsuit against the league.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    RaiderRockstar says “the remaining Russell fans need to form a support group”! LOL.

    Is Al invited?

  • Silver-n-Smac

    Look, I’ve watched football for 30 years (as have many of you) and I’ve seen many great QB’s go to the bench, BY THEMSELVES and sit down BY THEMSELVES, to cool off, get their minds straight, do whatever they feel they need to do for their own state of mind at that particular moment.

    It doesn’t always need to be rah, rah on the sidelines all the time.

    Looking at photos on the bench, or discussing every angle of every play with the QB coach is great. But it doesn’t mean you always have to do it to succeed. The camera always goes to Russell right when he goes to the bench. But, there’s also been plenty of shots os him with Hackett & Grad., discussing what just happened.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    LMN:
    Glad to see things are going good.

    You’re right. This blog sucks.
    You can’t have an argument anymore.

  • Silver-n-Smac

    I don’t think Cable is an Al puppet at all. I think he respects what Al wants in the big picture. But, he (Cable) is his own man.

    I think he’s a blue-collar guy who loves this team, but, is not gonna let any player on this team end his career.

    If he is going to get fired, it’s gonna be on his own terms. I don’t think Cable will hesitate to put any guy on this football team on the bench if it’s warranted.

    His reluctance to bench Russell has had way more to do with the fact that he clearly is our future and Gradkowski is not.

    You have to ask yourself. Would we win a couple more games with Grad? Probably, yes.

    But, who gives us the best chance in the long run, a Russell with more experience and maturity? Or a Gradkowski?

    Answer: Russell.

    And until we know the answer is definitely NOT Russell, you have to stay with this kid until at least 3 actual years of football played on the field.

  • DMAC

    LB’s coach should be the first to get fired and second has got to be the WR’s coach. Third should be Cable Guy. Let’s bring back Chuckie or try hiring Marty.(not happenning)

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Richochet:

    Thanks for the advise but I’m like Russell, I don’t want to put in any extra effort.

    You do realize that Haggis contains the insides of sheep’s stomach?

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    That would be advice-can’t blame Jerry for that.

  • Silver-n-Smac

    LA:

    “I don’t care what the outcome is, just hit ‘em in the f’ing mouth!”

    **************************************************

    Hell yeah!

  • DMAC

    Let’s make a move for Jon Kitna!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Let’s make a move for Donald Hollas!

  • DMAC

    Rather take Vince Evans!

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    One time I was driving down the I10 (very slowly)and I saw this sign saying Oak Glen.
    So I pulled off to investigate and there snuck into the hills leading off to the mountains of San Berdo is this really nice country little village, trees, greenery and much cleaner air.
    The kind of place a man might retire.

    Oakglen are you in Oak Glen?

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    “His reluctance to bench Russell has had way more to do with the fact that he clearly is our future”

    I’m :cool: sorry :-(

  • Richochet

    Third should be Cable Guy. Let’s bring back Chuckie or try hiring Marty.(not happenning)

    288.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
    Richochet:

    Thanks for the advise but I’m like Russell, I don’t want to put in any extra effort.

    You do realize that Haggis contains the insides of sheep’s stomach?
    ===========================
    True.
    My wife is filipina, and I’ve learned to eat first, ask later what it was…in some cases, I’d rather not know.

    Ok, a Scotch Pie then..a dozen would be nice. (family from Methil, Fife, so I never pass on a good Scotch pie.)

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    THEN & NOW: Davis’ world left bad taste in L.A.’s mouth
    By Jim McConnell, Staff Writer
    Posted: 10/26/2009 11:01:42 PM PDT

    Back in the 1980s, I was the assistant sports editor of the Pomona newspaper.

    Thus it was one fall day, when the sports editor was away from the desk, that a call was routed to me. The caller identified himself as Al LoCasale. At the time, LoCasale was, by all indications, the No. 2 man in the Los Angeles Raiders organization. His exact title now escapes me. It might have been Grand Poo-bah. Raiders football, and front office, nomenclature is quite bizarre.

    So, why was LoCasale calling? He had a complaint. Specifically, it turned out that his boss, Al Davis, had assembled the news clips from our paper for the season to date. After further review, Davis discovered the Rams had received 249 column inches, and the Raiders “only” 235.

    LoCasale said that “Mr. Davis was quite disappointed” with our coverage and fully expected little ol’ me to do something about it. Now.

    Welcome to Raiders World, where the only reality that counts is that of Al Davis.

    No discussion of NFL football in Los Angeles would be complete without mention of Davis. The Raiders called the Coliseum home from 1981 to 1994. They retain a large and loyal fan base in the Southland, despite fleeing L.A. for their native Oakland in 1995 and despite their woeful on-field record in recent years.

    It seems many still admire Davis’ renegade approach to football, and business. This admiration comes easy to those who never worked for, or attempted to work with, Davis.

    No question, he has accomplished great things. But those accomplishments remind one of the woodsman who leveled a forest to build an exquisite matchbox.

    “It’s a lot easier to work with Al once you accept the fact that he’s the Antichrist,” the late John McKay once told me. McKay, who worked alongside Davis when they were both on the USC football staff in the late 1950s, said Al was the same then as he was later on, when the pair knocked heads in the NFL.

    “To Al, two’s a crowd,” McKay said.

    Davis grew up in Brooklyn, a city much maligned. He gained fame in Oakland, a city even more maligned. Perhaps the geography explains why Davis has always relished the role of the outsider.

    Davis’ football roots include the stint at USC and three years on the staff of Sid Gillman with the San Diego Chargers. From there, he took over as head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 1963.

    He’s been Mr. Raider ever since, except for a brief period of time in 1966 when he served as commissioner of the AFL. He resisted the merger with the NFL and quit when the majority of AFL owners did not.

    While his team now plays in the NFL, you get the feeling he’s never fully accepted the merger. Again, this may help explain his attachment to the rogue image for his Raiders.

    A long-simmering dispute with the Alameda-Oakland Coliseum Commission led to Davis pulling up stakes and heading south for the 1982 season. The Rams had abandoned the L.A. Coliseum for Anaheim, and the Raiders slid right in.

    It developed that Davis was no more successful, or diplomatic, when dealing the L.A. Coliseum Commission. From the start, it was not a match made in heaven. The NFL, which had voted against Davis’ move to L.A., did little to help him once he got here.

    Despite all the drama off the field, on the field the Raiders were winners. They went 8-1 in a strike-shortened 1982 season, and 12-4 in 1983. In the 1983 playoffs, they beat the arch-enemy Pittsburgh Steelers 38-10 in the first round and Seattle 30-14 in the AFC finals. That elevated L.A. to the Super Bowl, where it upset Washington 38-9 to win the NFL title.

    It was likely Davis’ most satisfying moment. It was also the highlight to the franchise’s stay in L.A.

    The Raiders returned to the playoffs in 1984 and 1985, but lost both times in the first round. The 1986, ’87, ’88 and ’89 teams failed to make the postseason. By then, it was clear that Davis loved a good fight. Unfortunately, most of his fights were non-football-related. They may have improved Davis’ bank account, but they did nothing to improve the Raiders roster. The attention paid to something as trivial as a stack of press clippings took away from things more important, such as acquiring a quality NFL quarterback.

    The team had one last hurrah in L.A., though. The 1990 Raiders went 12-4 and beat Cincinnati 20-10 in the first round of the playoffs. What followed, however, turned out to be the signature game for the franchise for the next 20 years – L.A. trekked to Buffalo and lost 51-3 to the Bills.

    The Raiders made it back to the playoffs in 1991 and ’93, but failed to make it back to the Super Bowl either year. A 9-7 season in 1994 closed out the team’s run in L.A.

    Davis, never happy dealing with the L.A. Coliseum Commission (or any group that didn’t wear silver and black), was unable to convince anyone else to build a stadium for him. His “Commitment to Excellence” appeared to be more and more an obsession with conflict.

    Angelenos may not be all that far removed from the days of the Dons, but L.A. is the showbiz capital of the world. We know a bad actor when we see one.

    Nearly every day, thousands of commuters drive past the gravel pit there in Irwindale where Davis was going to build his stately pleasure dome. It’s a fitting monument to a man who cut deep but came up empty.

    http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_13647943

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    “The attention paid (by Al Davis) to something as trivial as a stack of press clippings took away from things more important, such as acquiring a quality NFL quarterback.”

    http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_13647943

  • Kirk

    Gradkowski is a better quarterback than Russell. It’s pretty obvious. Russell is not an NFL quarterback. He doesn’t give a sheet.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    LOL. Now Gradkowski’s “the franchise”? LOL. Desperation is so embarrassing, isn’t it?