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At least penalties are down

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, October 27th, 2009 at 7:26 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Who says there’s no good news where the Raiders are concerned?

Either the NFL felt sorry for Al Davis and didn’t hold its annual “screw the Raiders” offseason meeting with officials this year or Tom Cable actually has an area where he can look at and have solid evidence of progress.

Through seven games, the Raiders have 41 penalties for 312 yards, tied for 12th in penalties and 21st in yardage. This is usually an area where the Raiders lord over the rest of the league like Rod Carew in a 1970s race to a batting title.

Projected through 16 games, the Raiders would 94 penalties for a scant 713 yards at the end of the season.

The Raiders have had 100 penalties or more in each of the last nine seasons, since having only 98 in 1999. They’ve had more than 800 yards in penalties in each of those yards and have marched backward for more than 1,000 yards in every season from 2002 through 2005. (Yes, 2002. Good teams overcome penalites).

If the Raiders were to stay in their current range of penalty yardage, it would be the lowest total since 1990, when they had 97 penalties for only 682 yards.

Their high-water mark for flags since returning to Oakland was 1996 (156 penalties, 1,266 yards _ if only they could find a running back with that kind of production).

In a 38-0 loss to the Jets, the Raiders had only three penalties for 41 yards.

Cable wasn’t about to wear a party hat, given the won-loss record and the fact that all three penalties were costly.

“That is something we are excited about, we are not giving away yards, but it’s just one area and we have to improve in a few areas,” Cable said.

The bad news is the Raiders still know how to get quality out of a penalty even if the quantity is down.

On the opening kickoff, tight end Brandon Myers was called for an illegal block below the waist, pushing the Raiders half-the-distance to the goal and starting at the 10-yard line instead of the 20.

Cable decided not to alter the script of sending four receivers on vertical routes despite being backed up, and the result was a lost fumble by JaMarcus Russell after being hit by Calvin Pace. The Jets eventually scored on a 1-yard run by Thomas Jones.

(Tackle Khalif Barnes was called for tripping on Pace’s sack, but it was declined).

With the Jets leading 14-0 and driving to the Oakland 39-yard line, Mark Sanchez threw incomplete on third down, but the Jets picked up the first down when Stanford Routt was called for defensive holding and an automatic first down. New York eventually scored on an 8-yard run by Shonn Greene.

The final flag came when Richard Seymour gave New York a first down on a third-and-4 play with a personal foul inside the 10-yard line. No reason to pull your hair out over that one _ the Raiders got a break when Jay Feeley missed a short field goal attempt.

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  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    looks like the trolls ran and hid again.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # doriangray Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    SO / UMM. DID SANCHEZ EAT THE PIGEON TOO ? THAT WAS SUCH AN EMBARRASINGLY DISREPECTFUL GAME. 4TH DOWN FAKE PUNT IN OWN TERRITORY ? GATORADE SHOWER 4 CALLAHAN. LOW. LOW. LOW.
    ==================================================

    This is a good post. Pierce saying it was like a scrimmage. Sanchez eating a hotdog. Fake punt at their own 20. Gatorade Shower for Callahan. Everyone in the nation pissing all over them. You wonder when these players will have enough and stand and fight.

  • Chris in NY

    Just saw that Dez Bryant is suspended for the rest of this season. The fact is he’s going to be a stud in the NFL and will be much better than any of the WRs drafted this past season.

    This is another reason the DHB pick drives me crazy. All leading up to the 2009 draft I was saying trade down, pick Maualuga and Loadholt. Or, take Maualuga at No. 7 and hope Loadholt falls to you in Round 2.

    Well, both guys lasted till Round 2.

    Loadholt is the starting RT since Game 1 on a 6-1 team that is 3rd in the league in points per game.

    Maualuga is the starting strong side OLB since Game 1 on a 5-2 team that is 9th in points per game allowed and has gone from dreadful to taking down Chicago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay and is one fluke play away from dealing the Broncos what would be their only loss of the season.

    Would’ve been nice to land fixtures in a mammoth RT and bonecrushing LB in this past draft and go out and get a guy like Bryant this year who is going to be the next T.O. or Andre Johnson. Instead we got a guy who isn’t even going to be the next James Jett and who knows what else down the line.

  • Nnamdi21

    Noshadowking Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Either the NFL felt sorry for Al Davis and didn’t hold their annual “screw the Raiders” offseason meeting with officials this year

    Um this is not exactly right J. Penalties may be down but trust me they held there screw the raiders meeting. Just ask rookie wr Murphy or ask any fan of the nfl after watching the other 2 similar touchdowns stay touchdowns. And has anyone ever,ever seen the tuck rule called since the playoff game. I think they held the annual help out the Patriot meeting this year too. They wont even let defenders sniff anywhere near Brady without a flag wtf

    =================================

    Penalties may be down but they certainly have hurt. No denying the refs are either incompetent repeatedly for Raider games or fixed.

    The Tuck Rule has been called a few times since but never with such consequence as that bleak day.

    Pats cheat and the League is fixed to a degree.

    Member the Seahawks Steelers super bowl?

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Chris I was on record before the draft saying Cushing will be a better pro backer than Maualuga. I still think that. As bad as our offense is, we couldn’t afford to draft defense and trading down was an iffy proposition. Eugene Monroe would have been a good choice at #7.

  • DKnight007

    # Ya Boy Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    4 verticals? How about some short crossing routes that can go for big yards? like the one to higgins vs. the pats last year? am i wrong nation? Give the struggling JR some help! I like Cable but his offense is painful to watch…

    ^^^^^^^It was stupid for Davis and Cable to hire Tollner to implement “more of a vertical passing attack” when I heard about that I automatically thought a whole new passing attack and terminology and would be put in place and it wouldn’t help Russell, but hurt him and it has…..just stupid and Russell has regressed because of it.

    They finished the season strong last year and it seemed Russell was getting comfortable with the offense and then they switch things up on him…..again!

    Lousy….plus Russell spends more money on bling, drinking and eating instead of on a personal trainer and studying film. Terrible

    Thanks a lot old stubborn idiot man Al Davis, puppetman Cable and lazy Russell for making stupid moves and have lousy work ethic.

  • Nnamdi21

    Monroe at 7? Thats alot of money for a pass blocking LT to dump over to right tackle.

    Hendersons doing well and I’m sure Monroe could maybe make the slide to right, but in a zbs?

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    I don’t know Nnamdi, go look at the very lst play we ran in the Jet game, it is up on NFL.com right now, and you tell me how good Eugene Monroe would look right about now. Our RT’s have been absolutely getting DESTROYED! You think that has an effect on Russell? Henderson has played VERY well at LT. He is one of the few pleasant surprises we have seen this year.

  • doriangray

    REX RYAN BETTER LEARN HOW TO BE A CLASSY COACH OR THIS N.F.L. WILL EAT HIM UP. OR MAYBE HIS FAT ARSE WILL EAT THE NFL. IM CONFUSED. :(

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    There is certainly some BAD football being played out there. Just hope that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder don’t get their ways, and remove the salary caps and other league competitive protections. Otherwise it will be the Washington Yankees and the Dallas Red Sox and everyone else.

  • Nnamdi21

    Mentioned it the other day and Jerry too in his live chat then saw it on Yhho sports, man, theres some crappy football being played this year. Not just in Oakland. Big corporations and self centered greed are finally inevitably decaying the game we once loved.

    Used to be knock the guy out. see whos tougher, now its no hitting below the waist or above it, $25000 fines and suspensions.

    what a joke.

  • DKnight007

    # Nnamdi21 Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Monroe at 7? Thats alot of money for a pass blocking LT to dump over to right tackle.

    Hendersons doing well and I’m sure Monroe could maybe make the slide to right, but in a zbs?

    ^^^^^^^^^^Coming up with that weak argument about how it would have been a waste of money to draft an OT like Monroe, who was a bigger than need at #7, than REACHING for DHB and paying him all that money??

    The pick and option should have been Monroe, Crabtree or trading down…WE ALL KNEW THAT…but the dumb old man does something completely and utterly stupid and drafts a mid to late 1st round rated WR and pays him all that money for what?? Nothing!

  • Nnamdi21

    Oakglenn Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    I don’t know Nnamdi, go look at the very lst play we ran in the Jet game, it is up on NFL.com right now, and you tell me how good Eugene Monroe would look right about now. Our RT’s have been absolutely getting DESTROYED! You think that has an effect on Russell? Henderson has played VERY well at LT. He is one of the few pleasant surprises we have seen this year.

    ================================

    Don’t get me wrong, Cornell Green’s been terrible for YEARS and that was Khalif Barnes first snap at right tackle EVER.

    No doubt we need to upgrade the line, no doubt, but I can’t see Big Al burning 1st round picks on right tackle.

    We need line help bigga time starting with the most important position in the ZBS, center. Can’t see that as a first rounder either…unless he runs a sub 4.4 40…

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Raiders4eve Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Get straight and you do swing that way moron.
    ====================================

    You must know something about that huh?? I don’t. Glad you brought it up. Keep it in the closet. Where you belong. dik sukking loser.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    DKnight007 Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    # Ya Boy Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    4 verticals? How about some short crossing routes that can go for big yards? like the one to higgins vs. the pats last year? am i wrong nation? Give the struggling JR some help! I like Cable but his offense is painful to watch…

    ^^^^^^^It was stupid for Davis and Cable to hire Tollner to implement “more of a vertical passing attack” when I heard about that I automatically thought a whole new passing attack and terminology and would be put in place and it wouldn’t help Russell, but hurt him and it has…..just stupid and Russell has regressed because of it.
    =================================================

    If I said to the nation we could have Andy Reids Philly offense here, what would all of you say??? Probably most of you would want that offense here. As for Davis and Cable installing a new offense for Russell, that is correct, he has not done well with it. You have to ask what are the reasons? Losing his best receiving option, starting two rookies, poor line play, dismal running from Dmac and Bush, and certainly a poor dedication to the craft from Russell himself have all combined to put us in the mess we are in right now.

  • Nnamdi21

    The pick and option should have been Monroe, Crabtree or trading down…WE ALL KNEW THAT…but the dumb old man does something completely and utterly stupid and drafts a mid to late 1st round rated WR and pays him all that money for what?? Nothing!

    ==========================

    Cut the dosage!

    Monroe’s a LEFT tackle.

    Probably wouldn’t have helped us right away anyway.

    I agree we need linemen, obviously, but the ZBS isn’t a great fit for Monroe is it? and the system allows the acquisistion and application of smaller more agile guys who cost LESS.

    Unless you scrap the system, there shouldn’t be a need to pay 7th over all money to a right tackle.

    After last years abysmal wide out production, the pic was obviously going to be a receiver.

    Crabtree just played his FIRST GAME. Prima Donna and you don’t know how things will shake out for most NFL careers for THREE YEARS, so lets wait and see on DHB shall we?

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Remember Eugene Monroe kept Brandon Albert at guard while both were at Virginia. KC moved Albert to tackle and he has done pretty damn good for them there. That shows how good Eugene Monroe really is. He could play left tackle, right tackle, shoot, he could probably play QB.

  • DKnight007

    # Nnamdi21 Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Mentioned it the other day and Jerry too in his live chat then saw it on Yhho sports, man, theres some crappy football being played this year. Not just in Oakland. Big corporations and self centered greed are finally inevitably decaying the game we once loved.

    Used to be knock the guy out. see whos tougher, now its no hitting below the waist or above it, $25000 fines and suspensions.

    what a joke.

    ^^^^^^^^^Now I agree with that! There is alot of bad football being played right now and almost half the teams in the NFL are just terrible and then a small percentage is average and even smaller percentage are average.

    The NFL needs to seriously implement a ROOKIE salary cap….especially for the top 15 picks in the 1st round!

  • The NEWS

    So…..why again did we draft a track runner over 1 of the 4 “cadillacs”?

  • Chris in NY

    We definitely need help in the trenches next year, but with the way DHB looks and Schilens’ injury history I wouldn’t be opposed to taking Dez Bryant. I know I’m likely to get killed for that on this board with all our other needs, but Bryant is going to be a superstar. Mark my words.

    For the record I was fiercely opposed to drafting DHB. However, I must admit that I did advocate taking JaMarcus at No. 1 as well.

    That’s it for the draft talk for me. Way too early for that stuff now. But a depressing sign of where we are in this season entering Week 8.

    To DHB’s credit he seems like a good kid and hard worker. Maybe he will develop into a great player with some time. Not overly optimistic right now but WRs have been known to typically take 2-3 years to break out.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # The NEWS Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    So…..why again did we draft a track runner over 1 of the 4 “cadillacs”?
    ===============================================

    You tell me.

  • Chris in NY

    “Either the NFL felt sorry for Al Davis and didn’t hold their annual “screw the Raiders” offseason meeting with officials this year or Tom Cable actually has an area where he can look at and have solid evidence of progress.”

    ————

    Sorry Jerry. Guess you missed Louis Murphy’s TD in Week 1 and a bunch of other shady calls (overruling a 3rd and long catch by Murphy in Week 3 when the game was close and then upholding that terrible call on review; penalizing Chris Johnson for an extremely basic celebration of a pick; ignoring a blatant SD block in the back on the biggest gain of their winning TD drive; etc.).

    Funny how the shady calls generally happen when these games are close but then when they’re out of hand the calls even out.

  • DKnight007

    # Nnamdi21 Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    The pick and option should have been Monroe, Crabtree or trading down…WE ALL KNEW THAT…but the dumb old man does something completely and utterly stupid and drafts a mid to late 1st round rated WR and pays him all that money for what?? Nothing!

    ==========================

    Cut the dosage!

    Monroe’s a LEFT tackle.

    Probably wouldn’t have helped us right away anyway.

    I agree we need linemen, obviously, but the ZBS isn’t a great fit for Monroe is it? and the system allows the acquisistion and application of smaller more agile guys who cost LESS.

    Unless you scrap the system, there shouldn’t be a need to pay 7th over all money to a right tackle.

    After last years abysmal wide out production, the pic was obviously going to be a receiver.

    Crabtree just played his FIRST GAME. Prima Donna and you don’t know how things will shake out for most NFL careers for THREE YEARS, so lets wait and see on DHB shall we?

    ^^^^^^^Do you realize how bad the Raider O-Line is??
    Especially at the RT position? Monroe would have started from Day 1 and probably would have been much better than Green and who are the garbage guys at RT now….Pears? Then Cable doesn’t even give reps to Barnes at RT in training camp…..unreal

    Monroe is mobile and agile and would have been just fine at LT or RT. Henderson can play either LT or RT also. Basically Monroe would have added great depth to the line and added some stability. He is 6’3/6’4 and at 305, at an ideal size for the ZBS.

    At least CrabDiva could catch the damn ball consistently.

    I have no problem with DHB as a person or player but what I had and still have a problem with was REACHING beyond belief and taking him at #7 when if old man Al had such a damn hard on for him….he could have traded down and still got him anywhere between 15-20, added a later round pick and more importantly PAID HIM FAR LESS MONEY!

    Stupid and unwise decison making like that is why this once proud and respected franchise is in the freakin GUTTER!

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    DHB is a decent kid, but he is a REAL project as an NFL reciever. He has a good work ethic, but we need guys that can contribute NOW! And I mean NOW NOW NOW!!! Not 2 years from NOW!

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Where’d whacko racko the whacko go??? Must have been med time for the whacko.

  • DKnight007

    # Chris in NY Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    We definitely need help in the trenches next year, but with the way DHB looks and Schilens’ injury history I wouldn’t be opposed to taking Dez Bryant. I know I’m likely to get killed for that on this board with all our other needs, but Bryant is going to be a superstar. Mark my words.

    For the record I was fiercely opposed to drafting DHB. However, I must admit that I did advocate taking JaMarcus at No. 1 as well.

    That’s it for the draft talk for me. Way too early for that stuff now. But a depressing sign of where we are in this season entering Week 8.

    To DHB’s credit he seems like a good kid and hard worker. Maybe he will develop into a great player with some time. Not overly optimistic right now but WRs have been known to typically take 2-3 years to break out.

    ^^^^^^^^I agree I think he will be decent….hopefully…..but the Raiders need an offensive coach like Gruden back to utilize him correctly.

  • DKnight007

    Yeah, the NFL is not about parity anymore…..the NFL has crap load of pathetically bad teams and small percentage of average teams and even smaller percentage of good teams.

    They need that damn rookie salary cap BADLY!!

    Should have been implemented a loooooong time ago.

  • Mistabrown

    Yeah Rad listen to Oakglen she really knows her stuff. Especially Qb’s..
    ==============================
    Oakglenn Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.
    ==============================

    # Oakglenn Says:
    October 27th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Well Rad, that is something you would hope to see. Russell clearly is having a problem with maturity. Comparing Russell to Leaf, Russell has more TD’s and almost half as many pix. Not really comparable. But nice try.

  • Mistabrown

    Oakglen lets talk about Cables “trajectory” hows that looking ?

    Enlighten us Einstein..

  • Mistabrown

    # Oakglenn Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Mark Sanchez is a bust.

    =======================

    Oakglenn Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.

  • Mistabrown

    Lets back to the Raiders Oakglen, you were saying Cables trajectory is really good we should get behind the guy…

    Want me to post it for you or do you remember that mindless rant out your anus ?

  • Mistabrown

    Oakglen keep digging through the archives I’m going to bed I have things to do tomorrow! Unlike you obviously…LOL

    poop 4 brains

  • Richard Bentley

    Aside from all the name calling on this blog post, that last game was the greatest disaster in the history of the Raiders, and I don’t know if they will ever pull out of this. God help us, this is going to go on all season. We are doomed.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Penalties down DOESN’T mean that the Refs aren’t killing us. Just take a look at a couple of plays (example the bullshi$ “incomplete” touchdown catch on the first game). There have been a few like that which make a HUGE difference.

  • M Lonetree

    Raiderzmaverick,

    correct. The Zebras know how to make the calls against the Raiders at any critical juncture they choose, effectively screwing the team. The Zebras also know how to flag the opposing team for meaningless yardage so that in the end of the game the stats don’t look too out of whack. Kind of like a dealer knowing that both players at the table must receive the same amount of cards for the hand, but also knowing who gets the aces when he needs them.

  • NorthernD

    That’s proof the league has it in for the Raiders.
    Bad teams are bad because they constantly have players out of position, or are being overwhelmed at the point of attack. Those are the very reasons why player take penalties. Therefore, bad teams take more penalties.
    The league is simply statistically averaging out the total number of penalties for appearance sake.
    The Raiders are garbage now so why not even up the calls? Save the important calls for when they’re going for the playoffs.
    Heck, the refs even won two Superbowls for the Steelers.

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  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Nation!!!
    WOW!!! What happened in here last night?

  • 4evaRaider

    Morning Hwnrdr and NATION…

    If we were winning Hwnrdr everyone would be talking about this great play or that great play.We are losing so instead of talking about how 2 get better they character assassinate each-other.The posters in here have said many many many times how 2 get better and almost every single thought is correct.But after 6 years of giving correct ideas there is not much more 2 say.Big Al cant or wont listen 2 ANYONE else and they all feel their thoughts are meaningless 2 Big Al,so they take their aggressions out on the loyal fans…Themselves.When theres no one else 2 blame we turn on each-other,even tho our suggestions would help immensly,imo

  • CJ Legend 34

    What an article. how pathetic.

    Poor Jerry he had to go to the bottom of the bucket to find something interesting to talk about.

    What else can a man do?

  • CJ Legend 34

    ***Another post why we are a terrible team************
    This team sucks! How can so much talent in college be so terrible? It just does not make since to me. I said it before and I wil say it again. Yes, execution is important but you need to have plays that fits these guys strengths. We just don’t do that consistant enough, we try to force guys to fit the system and it just does not work. Outside of Russel he just needs to put up or shut up. Now DMac, Bush, DHB, Zach Miller, Johnnie Higgins. you can’t tell me all these guys are just out partying so they are not prepared. Why do all our 1st round picks struggle on this team and are labeled busts? I don’t want to hear Nnamdi, Mario Henderson and Robert Gallery are not busts because at one time or another they were labeled busts. I think Nnamdi has been able to do so well is because he knew he was sun to be coached by his team and he went to seek out Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson and Ronnie Lott to get his technique down regardless of the system. Our major issue is unlike the Steelers or New England this team does not know how to develop talent in a winning system. The best players through out the Raiders history were groomed on another team and bought out by Al for a kings ransom. Now we are trying to develop talent with out the formula and that is what is killing this franchise. They waste their money on top talent that they can not develop.

  • BlackSunday32

    I would love to have a beer with fargas and ask him who in these last 6+ yrs was the laziest and played with no heart must kill the guy to watch so many guys just picking up checks.

  • hwnrdr

    I agree 4eva, and the funny thing is…MR wasn’t on here last night. Just a bunch of name calling back and forth!
    CJ…what can we say? I dont know…I just don’t see how, after the Super Bowl, that we became the worst team for 6-7 years running. I mean…what happened? I think Al pooped his pants during the SB and have never been the same since. You know its bad when preparing for the SB, Chuckie played qb; aka Gannon and the team were in shock when his qb play came true…

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Laker fans gotta love this headline…

    “Enormous Jewelry With a Side of Victory”

    http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/10/lakers-99-clippers-92-enormous-jewelry-with-a-side-of-victory.html

    Oh, and good mornin all.

  • RaiderRockstar

    i hope we trade our 1st rounder prior to the draft.

    i don’t want Taylor Mays. I think Huff is worth keeping around next year, even at 5 million. Branch & Mitchell are cheap so it sort of evens out.

    Mitchell in his 2nd year will be a full-time SS. Branch will be ST gunner and FS on run downs. Huff will be FS on passing plays and/or nickel corner aka “3rd safety” as Cable likes to call it …

    replace Hiram Eugene with another UFA or resign him for the vet minimum. just as long as he doesn’t start!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 7:20 am
    i hope we trade our 1st rounder prior to the draft.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Yes, stock up on picks in the later rounds. Al is schizophrenic with the draft lately. Terrible in the first round but a relative genius in 3-6.

    Or maybe trade picks for a really good coach? I’ve heard it’s been done before…

  • RaiderRockstar

    be back later. gotta meeting

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    DAMN refs :evil: If it wasn’t for them :evil: the raders :oops: would have won at least 6 SB’s this decade :-(

  • CablesRightFist

    C’mon Jerry …. You know you jinxed them now. Here comes a double digit penalty game. Improve on penalties and regress on everything else!

  • ohioraider

    The greatness of the Raiduhs is in the Futah.