Ellis to have arthroscopic knee surgery
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 2nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes Monday following open locker room and coach Tom Cable’s press briefing regarding a 24-16 loss to the San Diego Chargers.
– Starting defensive left end Greg Ellis, who has been hobbled for the past few weeks with what was described as an arthritic knee, will have arthroscopic knee surgery this week. There was no estimate how long Ellis would be out.
The Raiders don’t play until Nov. 15, when they host the Kansas City Chiefs. Ellis, 34, had four sacks after signing as an unrestricted free agent and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.
Running back Darren McFadden had arthroscopic knee surgery, was inactive for the last four games, and hopes to return for the Chiefs game.
– The good news is that with Ellis playing sparingly against San Diego, rookie defensive end Matt Shaughnessy had a breakout game with a sack, two tackles for losses and five tackles. Cable said Shaughnessy was “terrific” against San Diego and will assume a starting role.
– Cable said the bye week would be used for healing and self-scouting, and that any lineup changes would have more to do with healthy players returning than bringing in some new faces.
When asked if the Raiders might consider veteran Chris Chambers, released by San Diego, Cable said, “I don’t think so at this point with who we have.”
The Raiders will practice Wednesday and Thursday this week then take the weekend off before beginning preparations for Kansas City. Among those injured players who will be limited and in theory would stand a chance of facing the Chiefs are left guard Robert Gallery (fibula), wide receiver Chaz Schilens (foot) and McFadden.
Defensive tackle Gerard Warren will also be limited with a foot bruise as will Nick Miller (tibia), who Cable hopes will provide competition for Jonathan Holland as kickoff return specialist.
Those a little behind and listed as “day-to-day” are right tackle Cornell Green (calf), tight end Tony Stewart (pectoral) and starting strong side linebacker Jon Alston, who has a neck injury and “slight”“concussion. Given that it is Alston’s second concussion since Oct. 11, he’ll be watched closely.
Linebacker Ricky Brown (ankle) was still in a cast Monday, hopes to get it off this week, but won’t practice.
– Cable believes if McFadden, Gallery, Green and Schilens were to all return, the Raiders would have a much different look.
“You’re going to get two starting offensive linemen back, you’re going to get a starting tailback back, arguably your best receiver back, another kick returner in Nick Miller back,” Cable said. “I think all those things are conducive to us having a little better success offensively so we’re going to start with that.”
Schilens, in particular, is being counted on to rescue a non-productive receiving corps more than any 15-catch rookie receiver in NFL history.
“If you remember when they all kind of went bang, bang, bang and it started with Chaz, losing him in the preseason. In the preseason game against Dallas, I think we scored 31 points with him in the lineup,” Cable said. “Now, I’m not saying that we’re going to score 31 points every time but it gives us a guy who has proven it. Last year, particularly in the last few weeks, he came on as a football player and I thought he picked it up in camp where he left off.”
OK, let’s hold it a minute while my brain bleeds out my ears. Schilens played the first quarter against Dallas, catching five passes and drawing a pass interference penalty. When he left the game, the Raiders trailed the Cowboys 7-3. Schilens was having a great camp, if his foot holds up he could still have an excellent second half of the season, but let’s keep it in perspective.
– Cable was pleased with the game plan and effort of the Raiders against San Diego, but said the lack of “big chunk” plays in the passing game were ultimately their undoing. He praised the game management and demeanor of quarterback JaMarcus Russell, while at the same time conceding the quarterback missed some key throws and noting “We got 16 points, really, without any passing game.”
– Defensively, Cable and strong safety Michael Huff said the Raiders essentially were thinking too hard in the first half and confusing each other with defensive audibles as San Diego piled up 254 yards of total offense.
In the second half, the Raiders kept it basic, utilized a lot of man-to-man defense and got after the Chargers, holding them to less than 100 yards and a single field goal.
“We probably overcooked it a little bit,” Cable said.
Although Rivers was forced into one incompletion by a blitzing Stanford Routt, Huff said the Raiders mostly showed blitz but then played it straight up.
– Murphy and Johnnie Lee Higgins (and not Darrius Heyward-Bey, as I erroneously posted Sunday andlater corrected) had an unwanted highlight when they tripped over each other while split wide right on a play which led to a Russell sack.
“One of them was too fast coming underneath to rub for the other,” Cable said.
Said Murphy: “`Everybody’s making a big deal about that. I heard some of my teammates said they showed it on TV. Actually, I had an inside release, and Johnnie an outside release and we ran into each other. I mean, it happens.
“You can find anything to pick out at the end of the game, but you know, at the beginning of the season, fourth-and-14, was a different story. So it is what it is. Sometimes it happens like that.”
– Cable said the Raiders twice burned time outs _ once after a television time out _ because the microphone in Russell’s helmet was shorting out.
– On the Raiders’ final offensive snap, a hook and lateral designed for Higgins to pitch to Heyward-Bey running to his right, Cable said Russell waited to long to throw the ball, throwing off the timing of the play.
“It was just thrown late,” Cable said. “When Johnny was ready to catch it, Darrius was too close to him. Not enough timing in terms of the catch and the flip.”
The painful part to Cable was that the route for Heyward-Bey to the end zone appeared to be open.
“Another one of those, `almost . . . ,” Cable said.
CABLE ISSUE COULD GO EITHER WAY
The hot off the press releases from the Raiders regarding the ESPN story and allegations of violence toward women by Cable leave plenty of room for both his dismissal and for serving out the rest of the season and possibly beyond.
Release No. 1 makes it sound as if the Raiders feel there is validity to the stories, Cable is as good as gone.
Release No. 2 makes it clear they’re not going to believe it simply because ESPN reported it.
Either way, the fact that the Raiders are publicly recognizing it as an issue means Cable’s continued employment through the season is far from a slam dunk.
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November 2nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
ESPN and Mortenson or
ESPN and Kiffin, which one were they were referring to (working with someone who was in this organization)?
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
FIRE the GM/HEAD OF PLAYER PERSONNEL/HEAD OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/DIRECTOR OF SCOUTING/!!!
He is the looney who has made all the crap decisions the last 7 years and why the team has sucked!!
Who is that damn guy?
Ooooops….oh yeah….it’s the owner….AL DAVIS!?!?
WTF?? LOL…..Freakin pathetic!
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Cable is a gonner….this will go down quick, time for a block buster type of hire from Al….if you do it Al hire someone to run football operations….come on now is the time.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hire Gruden. Demote Cable back to OL coach. Bench JaBustus until his weight is 250# or below. And, after he has demonstrated that he’s learned the entire playbook. Additionally, in practice, he has to demonstrate accuracy & touch on all necessary passes. If he’s unable to do the above by the end of the season, cut him outright. If this happens, he’ll never play in the NFL again.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
JB Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hire Gruden. Demote Cable back to OL coach. Bench JaBustus until his weight is 250# or below. And, after he has demonstrated that he’s learned the entire playbook. Additionally, in practice, he has to demonstrate accuracy & touch on all necessary passes. If he’s unable to do the above by the end of the season, cut him outright. If this happens, he’ll never play in the NFL again.
^^^^^^Hire Bruce Allen or Mike Holmgren as GM/HEAD OF FOOTBALL OPS AND PERSONNEL AND HIRE JON GRUDEN AS HEAD COACH and then AL DAVIS needs to just sit back and watch!
Gruden will make Russell into a better QB or will bench his a$$ and find someone who will get the job done! He will get in players faces and he knows how get an offense going!
Keep Cable as his O-Line coach and Hackett as his QB coach.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
The thing that is frustrating watching Russell is that he needs to step up in the pocket alot more and scramble more….instead of back peddling and just flailing the ball off his back foot!
He needs to get down to 250 pounds DAMMIT…so his footwork can improve and he can utilize his athlecism more.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
When asked if the Raiders might consider veteran Chris Chambers, released by San Diego, Cable said, “I don’t think so at this point with who we have.”
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“With who we have” Um, wouldn’t that be the point Tom? I mean I’m beginning to think the Raiders receiving corps would be better off using a few half-baked myopians from the Black Hole to catch JaOfftheMarkus’s passes.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
If we could only get past the circus.
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Past the circus??
Raiders ARE the circus.
Think about it.
Raiders come to town, and the locals rush to watch, knowing that not only is a haphazard circus sure to ensue, but you just know you’ll go home having laughed your ass off, and a good time had by all.
Is that cool, or what?
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Don’t show up to the games fellas!
Hurt Al Davis in his pocket….only way things have a chance at changing for the better!
He is terrible!
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
“The Al Davis Show!”
This team is just getting ridiculous now.
The Commissioner almost has to step in now.
Coach has mental problems.
Coach can’t call plays
The QB is worst than he was in college
The wide receivers catch one or two balls a game COMBINED
Every home game is a blackout
The team puts out these bizarre press releases that highlight their incompetence and cloistered mentality
The fans celebrate wildly a running back that gains 50 yds and averages 3 per carry
The team is an overall joke
they draft so poorly that a casual fan off the street could do better
This team is a joke….
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Who cares about Tom Cable…Of course he should be fired. He’s a rank amateur.
Regardless, Davis is still there so the Raiders have no chance of winning anyways.
I think there is a good chance that the Raiders 1st round pick will refuse to sign with Oakland unless the Raiders do another Darius Heyward-Bey type of reach
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
“You’re going to get two starting offensive linemen back, you’re going to get a starting tailback back, arguably your best receiver back, another kick returner in Nick Miller back,” Cable said. “I think all those things are conducive to us having a little better success offensively so we’re going to start with that.”
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Um Tom, you still have a quarterback that can’t read defenses, can’t put his team in the proper formations, fumbles every other possesion and is as accurate as sixteen year-old kid in the back seat of his mom’s Chevy.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
The fact that the NFL won’t step in on these perennial loser franchises shows how inept the league is.
What is the cost for losing? there is none because the T.V money and ad money flush enough to subsidze this madness
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yay arthroscopic knee surgery! Yay BSPN allegations! Yay Bye week! That oughta sell some tix for the KC game.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Glad the Raiders have stopped blitzing, since the only game they blitzed in the last 5 years, they won.
We need to keep losing, so Al can pick the kicker in the first round who has the best 40 time.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
meanwhile, cornell green is trying to remember where he placed his broom handle…sweeping the front stoop, beating the little woman with it… it’s all good.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Thank-you Jeerry, Your such an fountain of information.!!!!!!!!
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
“You’re going to get two starting offensive linemen back, you’re going to get a starting tailback back, arguably your best receiver back, another kick returner in Nick Miller back,” Cable said. “I think all those things are conducive to us having a little better success offensively so we’re going to start with that.”
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Um Tom, you still have a quarterback that can’t read defenses, can’t put his team in the proper formations, fumbles every other possesion and is as accurate as sixteen year-old kid in the back seat of his mom’s Chevy
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I didn’t see one reference to the incompetent owner. Blaming players, coaches, fans is a waste of time bro.
This is “The Al Davis Show!” ~LOL
Did you see the ESPN press release…
Madness
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Said Murphy: “`Everybody’s making a big deal about that. I heard some of my teammates said they showed it on TV. Actually, I had an inside release, and Johnnie an outside release and we ran into each other. I mean, it happens.
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Really Louis? How come I’ve been watchin’ footbal for over 35 years and I’ve never seen it before? How come?
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I am glad there is a bye next week. Won’t have to worry about wasting my time watching this terrible team.
Good grief they are bad.
Does Davis have any pride left?
Madness
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I didn’t see one reference to the incompetent owner. Blaming players, coaches, fans is a waste of time bro.
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Yeah, I forgot how many out routes Al ran yesterday. My bad!
Bottom line is the whole team, from top down smells like a dead fish. This is by far the worst team we’ve seen in that last seven years.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
“The Al Davis Show!”
This team is just getting ridiculous now.
The Commissioner almost has to step in now.
Coach has mental problems.
Coach can’t call plays
The QB is worst than he was in college
The wide receivers catch one or two balls a game COMBINED
Every home game is a blackout
The team puts out these bizarre press releases that highlight their incompetence and cloistered mentality
The fans celebrate wildly a running back that gains 50 yds and averages 3 per carry
The team is an overall joke
they draft so poorly that a casual fan off the street could do better
This team is a joke….
^^^^^^^Yep!
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
We need to keep losing, so Al can pick the kicker in the first round who has the best 40 time.
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Priceless! Classic funny stuff.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Jon Gruden sounds too much like Jaws on Monday Night Football now. I already hated hearing Jaws talk and now I have to listen to Gruden do the same thing. What a terrible mentor and lets face it…Gruden belongs as the Raiders Head Coach, not a freakin broadcaster.
Also…Cable and Davis…pull your head out of your butt and sign Chris Chambers. We need all the help we can get and thats exactly why we’re not going to sign him you stubborn MF’s.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Yeah, good ting we didn’t blitz because Rivers would have picked us apart and we would have lost the game. hey, wait a second…
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
It’s the Al Davis Show with our Very Special Guest Star, JaDarius McFadden-Huff
It’s time to play the music
It’s time to light the lights
It’s time to meet the Raiders on the Al Davis Show tonight.
It’s time to put on makeup
It’s time to dress up right
It’s time to raise the curtain on the Al Davis Show tonight.
Why do we always come here
I guess we’ll never know
It’s like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show
And now let’s get things started
Why don’t you get things started
It’s time to get things started
On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Davisational
This is what we call the Al Davis Show!
(Cable raises his hand)
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
DHB – 8 Games – 5 Receptions
Crabtree – 2 Games – 11 Receptions
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I like how Al insinuated that players he released were engaging in inappropriate behavior, moves he was criticized for. If he were criticized, the players would have to have been high profile. Hmm, I wonder who they were?
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
The Saints vs. the Falcons…Ah yes…a chance to see some good teams play some football. I forgot what that was like.
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Did somebody say blitz? What the hell is that?
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
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November 2nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm
When should the talk of IF Jimmy leaves Notre Dame should the Raiders end the JR experiment and draft a QB that Tony Dungy described as a Pro playing college Saturday night at the Half of the Irish game.
Watching JR not rifle the ball at receivers, instead seeing the Strong armed QB pushing feathery attempts that get picked off or hit the ground is way tooo much to endure any longer. Clausen is complete and great under center with fantastic pocket presence unlike JR????
Let the debate start
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Chas Malloy,
I would say no to drafting a QB. The Al Davis Show would just ruin the kid and the Raiders really don’t have the coaching quality, playbook or temperment to develop a young QB.
The Raiders have to rely on the retread and hope they get lucky.
Marc Bulger
Rex Grossman
Michael Vick
JP Losman
Jason Campbell
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Rex Grossman 2010!!! 4 year 24 million dollar contract
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
My money says Tommy “TKO” Cable isn’t going anywhere..for a very good reason.
See, whether it’s ‘HitMan” Cable or some other slomo, Al still has to pay out a salary…right?
Cable is everything Al wants.
JOB REQUIREMENTS FOR HC JOB FOR RAIDERS:
1. Work for free whenever possible.
2. Work for low..as in lowwwww monies
3. Understand Al is in charge, and in charge of EVERYTHING.
4. When Al blows it, HC never ever indicates it’s anyone else’s fault.
5. When Al calls down from the box, you do EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS.
6. Tell everyone you’ve loved the Raiders since forever.
7. Allow Al to hire all of your assts.
8. Never bench a single player without Al’s approval.
CABLE DOES ALL OF THE ABOVE, AND MORE.
Who else could Al get who would just fall in the fetal position at his mere presence? Who else would work the whole offseason, FOR FREE, while Al dangled your job, as if you were a flea? Who else would allow Al to hire ALL OF THE ASST’S before the HC was actually hired, and then stand there, looking stupid, while Al states “Actually he hired them. Well, him and the other guy.”? Who else would accept they have to ASK THE OWNER FOR PERMISSION to change schemes? Or to rotate in a player? WHO ELSE WOULD SIT THERE, AND PLAY MARGINAL PLAYERS, while obvious more qualified players sat on the bench..waiting for the “nod” from His Highness?
NO ONE.
not ONE SINGLE HALF WAY DECENT HEAD COACH would allow himself to be a spineless worm of a man, that just becomes the punchline for every lame coach joke..only Cable.
Suspended by the league? Or fined? probably..but released by Al?
I doubt it.
Of course, it is Al. Pretty tough figuring out what the guy’s going to do tomorrow, when he has trouble recalling today.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
At least Grossman could still make it to a Superbowl under center despite his poor play. JR hinders his team too much to allow that to ever happen for him.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
The impressive thing about Clausen is his stats during his losses against USC and Michigan. 5 Passing TD’s and 0 Interceptions. Hes kept the team in every game and has done a great job against the more difficult teams.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Drew Brees is so freakin awesome. The guy has taken some hits in this game but he keeps his composure and gets it done. He reminds me alot of Rich Gannon. Damn I miss seeing some great QB play.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I can’t believe I finally agreed with something Richocet wrote. You are correct with your points. About time you write something dead on.
Too bad the niners are not doing well. Oh well, misery loves company.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
[...] [Raiders] Raiders DE Greg Ellis To Have Arthroscopic Knee Surgery Raiders starting defensive left end Greg Ellis, who has been hobbled for the past few weeks with what was described as an arthritic knee, will have arthroscopic knee surgery this week. There was no estimate how long Ellis would be out. Ellis, 34, had four sacks after signing as an unrestricted free agent and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room. Source: Contra Costa Times [...]
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm
24,
difference between Brees and Gannon is that Brees can make the deep throw. Other than that, we could have used him here for sure.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I actually think Cable has done a somewhat better job than I expected. It is almost impossible to create a passing attack around JaMarcus and two rookie receivers and that is by far the biggest reason this team sucks right now. I think he has been OK as a playcaller and all the rest.
However, we need a coach who has proven he can win on the NFL level to step in here.
Hire Gruden or Jim Fassel and I’ll be doing backflips.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
# 24 Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 p
Also…Cable and Davis…pull your head out of your butt and sign Chris Chambers. We need all the help we can get and thats exactly why we’re not going to sign him you stubborn MF’s.
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Hmmmm..
Well, let’s see.
Al signs Javon Walker for $55 million contract. Everyone laughed. They’re still laughing. Walker isn’t playing, but he IS getting paid.
Al signs Bey for a $22 million contract. Everyone laughed. They’re still laughing. Bey is playing, but you can’t tell by his numbers.
Hey, Al will think he’s putting the screws to the Bolts by signing one of their players, thinking they’ll now step up and star because they’re playing for Al.
Yeah..makes perfect sense…FOR THE RAIDERS…SO clear out a locker.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
pls no more QB in the first round. That is prob the most overrated position to be drafted in the first round.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Please no retreads @ QB. Draft Clausen at any cost, he will be the best QB coming out of college for the next two years including Tebow [2nd] Focus has to avert from the old man and pressure must be put on MARK DAVIS, Jesus If he really is the Old Man’s kid, he hopefully has some fire to stop his father. I certainly think that the guy who will own the Raiders eventually would take a shot at least move into the picture Jerry how about some indepth info
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
# alisgod Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I can’t believe I finally agreed with something Richocet wrote. You are correct with your points. About time you write something dead on.
Too bad the niners are not doing well. Oh well, misery loves company.
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Everything I say is dead on.
It’s just that you’re somewhere in between retarded and idiot, and are slow to grasp things.
Hell, look at your handle. Anyone with that moronic handle means you’re a stupid, young, kid.
Or just one sorry adult.
Either way, stupid is as stupid does..and you scream stupid.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
John Fox ?
“There have been occasions on which we have dismissed Raider employees for having engaged in inappropriate conduct. For reasons of privacy, we kept the basis for those dismissals confidential. We endured public opprobrium for the dismissals, all the while knowing our basis for them was appropriate”
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Translation – Tom Cable will be fired during bye week or @ end of season.
“There have been occasions on which we have dismissed Raider employees for having engaged in inappropriate conduct. For reasons of privacy, we kept the basis for those dismissals confidential. We endured public opprobrium for the dismissals, all the while knowing our basis for them was appropriate”
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
When asked if the Raiders might consider veteran Chris Chambers, released by San Diego, Cable said, “I don’t think so at this point with who we have.”
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LMFAO
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Whens’s the last time the Raider Organization developed a Quarterback?
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I doubt JaDingus is even watching this Monday night game to see what 2 bonafide NFL Qb’s look like.
Black Moses = Garbage
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
KK dont poke the animals, thanks
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Priestjj
I know I’m missing something. Could you help me?
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
KoolKell,
At this stage it isn’t about developing a QB, this guy hasn’t developed as a leader. As an NFL QB, you are guying to get all the credit or blame, all the media press, and usually get paid the most money and be the most famous face.
You also have to be accountable to each teammate, not let anyone else out-work or out-smart you, and be the heady, steady hand, and face the press and man up and praise your teammates.
Go through that list and see what Jamarcus does or doesn’t do. He takes the money, deflects the blame but will be happy to take some credit, refuses to see the significance in being a leader, get’s outworked by journeyman back-ups, is not accountable to his teammates and handles the press very poorly.
A little tough to right this ship my friend.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
All I want to know, Vegas, is why the QB doesn’t have these problems with anyone except the WRs?
Why is our TE the best receiver on the team? Why can he line up outside and in the slot and get the ball from JRuss? We see the TEs and RBs adjusting to #2’s throws, but the WRs can’t?
Why did #2 not have any problems with JLH and Schillens last year?
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
KK-
Raiders haven’t groomed a QB since The “Snake”.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I have always liked Greg Williams. He does more with less than I have ever seen anyone. No name D at Tenn and no name D at NO. That guy deserves a 2nd chance at HC. Too bad we can never use him here.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Todd Marinovich, Rusty Hilger, Marc Wilson, Billy Joe Holbert, Steve Buerlein.
# KoolKell Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Whens’s the last time the Raider Organization developed a Quarterback?
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Anyway, none of it matters with the GM and coach that we have.
To allow 2 rookie WRs, a 3rd WR with ZERO career catches, and the 3rd youngest QB in the league to all be starters is ridiculous.
Best case scenario with that group is 7 or 8 wins and we are sitting here super pissed because #2 can’t “at least” get us to lose 24-17?
THAT IS SO FUNNY TO ME!
Expectations has NEVER been lower.
GM and a coach …. PLEASE!
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Its not the idea of starting 2 rookie WR’s that bothers me, its the fact that we’re not succeeding doing it. We’re not getting better. We’re not progressing and the more we lose, the more difficult it becomes to make the playoffs if there was any chance to begin with. When you get to 6 losses, your chances of making the playoffs are slim to none, yet we continue to do it over and over again. You’d think there would be some stress to make the playoffs but this year feels like a throw away year.
Look, the 1st 8 games didn’t go so well so put in some other guys at WR and do your best to win by starting Javon Walker and JLH or by signing Chambers…do ANYTHING it takes to win if you’re absolutely serious, otherwise its a failure.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
We let Steve Burelien go and he became a pretty good QB.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
JHill,
Miller is a lot bigger and slower target. The faster the moving, the worse for Jamarcus.
I know you saw those stats yesterday. 8%!! 8% of his passes thrown beyond 20 yards have been completed in his career. When he throws the ball 20 yards or more down the field, he has a 92% chance of an incompletion. That’s not WR’s, bro, there is no way one can make enough excuses to excuse that.
The tougher the throws, the worse he is, it’s that simple. Miller is open, closer, bigger, better and slower. Easier throw.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm
It’s like Duck Hunt. TE’s, RB’s and short passes are the first few rounds. Tough 20 yard outs to a WR are the later levels.
I bet Jamarcus wasn’t very good at Duck Hunt.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Coaching and management is obviously awful, but I thought Cable called a pretty good game yesterday.
Jerry made fun of the 3 runs and a punt. But after we punted is when we got the pick and than our only TD. The call worked brilliantly, LOL, and slowed the game down to our crappy level. He did his best, finally, in the second half to prevent Russell from losing the game, and it almost worked. The hook and ladder might have been a bit of coaching genius, but Jamarcus was late (why???) throwing the ball.
If he would have applied that strategy all year, we would have competed for longer in some of these games.
So yes Cable sucks as well, but did a decent job yesterday, but than again it’s not like Norv Turner is going to outcoach someone.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
CHUCKY II PLEASE !!!!!!
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Rookie WR’s, rookie WR’s Coach.
Retrofitted Al Davis routes. Hello? Knock, knock, hello………..
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
No matter what we get from here on out, the Ellis signing was a good deal.
No coincidence that rookies Shaughnessey and Bryant are playing well. They probably will learn more form Ellis than anything the Raiders will teach them.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Well it’s been fun yelling, I feel a little better now.
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Bigger and slower???
LOL! Good one.
Sounds like we need Anquan Boldin at WR instead of these 4.3 guys.
And that 6% was this year Vegas, not for his career.
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Vegas Raider Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
KoolKell,
At this stage it isn’t about developing a QB, this guy hasn’t developed as a leader. As an NFL QB, you are guying to get all the credit or blame, all the media press, and usually get paid the most money and be the most famous face.
You also have to be accountable to each teammate, not let anyone else out-work or out-smart you, and be the heady, steady hand, and face the press and man up and praise your teammates.
Go through that list and see what Jamarcus does or doesn’t do. He takes the money, deflects the blame but will be happy to take some credit, refuses to see the significance in being a leader, get’s outworked by journeyman back-ups, is not accountable to his teammates and handles the press very poorly.
A little tough to right this ship my friend.
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Who, is Jamarus Russell running this Organization or Al Davis?
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Get em Rico
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 pm
# jhill Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
All I want to know, Vegas, is why the QB doesn’t have these problems with anyone except the WRs?
Why is our TE the best receiver on the team? Why can he line up outside and in the slot and get the ball from JRuss? We see the TEs and RBs adjusting to #2’s throws, but the WRs can’t?
Why did #2 not have any problems with JLH and Schillens last year?
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Geez, you’re slow.
Pay attention, peanut.
TE usually doesn’t run deep routes, peanut. For that matter, most of the time the TE releases, and it’s a wide open, no one around, straight pass, where the TE floats out, stops, and turns around. Understand now, peanut? No touch involved with a stationary target, as compared to a moving one, with defenders around.
As far as JLH and Schillens? Why didn’t #2 “have problems with them last year’?? LMFAO…
Schillens played in 16 GAMES, MORON. He had all of 15 completions. That’s LESS THAN 1 COMPLETION AVERAGE PER GAME.
Higgins? Played 16 games, and had all of 22..That’s NOT EVEN 1 1/2 COMPLETIONS PER GAME.
Yeah, peanut, #2 sure kicked ass with those two last year, didn’t he? lol…
LMAO at how desperate you are to save your JR poster..to somehow convince the other kids at school to stop teasing you for wearing your christmas russell jersey..yet..they don’t stop, do they?
Now, remember, you may NOT reply. That sorryass sniveling tuck tail whimper is old. Just read, and accept the fact you best stay quiet.
Good boy
Jjill: “damn..I have to say something..anything. Damn. No, I shouldn’t. well,..damn”
No, actually, you don’t. Shut up boy.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
No one deadpanned the Raiders for drafting Russell. He was given a thorough screening before and the issues for Russell was maturity. He needed a strong organization with a no B.S coach and maybe a some good vets to show the way (not necessarily vet QBs).
This is “The Al Davis Show” folks. All these busts! 20 of 24 1st and 2nd round picks have been absolute busts since 1999. And of the 4 that are considered “successfull” one of them is a kicker…..
Gimmie a break.
blaming the players or coaches is to deflect blame from the owner. It starts and ends there!
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
It’s the Al Davis Show with our Very Special Guest Star,
JaDarius McFadden-Huff
Chorus:
It’s time to play the music
It’s time to light the lights
It’s time to meet the Raiders on the Al Davis Show tonight.
It’s time to put on makeup
It’s time to dress up right
It’s time to raise the curtain on the Al Davis Show tonight.
Why do we always come here
I guess we’ll never know
It’s like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show
And now let’s get things started
Why don’t you get things started
It’s time to get things started
On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Davisational
This is what we call the Al Davis Show!
(Herrera blows the trumpet at the end)
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Now, remember, you may NOT reply. That sorryass sniveling tuck tail whimper is old. Just read, and accept the fact you best stay quiet.
Good boy
Jjill: “damn..I have to say something..anything. Damn. No, I shouldn’t. well,..damn”
No, actually, you don’t. Shut up boy.
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LMFAO!
Like I said … translation – Please talk to me JHill.
Ok, here you go.
Do you really realize how often you use the word peanut?
Peanut? Cmon dude, really? LMFAO!
Well … that’s about all I got for ya.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
# BS Detector Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Mistabrown Says:
August 12th, 2009 at 1:28 am
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Oakglenda man crush obsess, sociopathic demented, JaMeatloaf is GRABAGE blah Oakglenn. Priestj tits blah blah JaFrenchToast. Oakglenn you blah blah Fargas sucks blah Tommy Kelly’s beard blah blah priestj on the radio is so cool blah blah man crush obsess, all day every day for years blah blah Oakglen not bad blah blitz JaPotpie blah oakglenn tit. JaCondom.
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awwww…OakDork all butthurt he was busted?
No shame in being a cross posting little turd.
Ok, actually, there is.
Sorry. Tried to help ya save face..but alas..not to be.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Anyway,
How about those play making receivers for Ryan and Brees?
Vilma is BALLIN’ for the Saints.
That catch Shockey made was amazing!
Can we get some of those damn mouthpieces? Maybe surgically attach one to #2 like back in the day when the big folks got their jaws wired. We could kill two birds with one stone, lol!
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Over the last few days, we learned of the allegations made against Coach Cable and we are, of course, aware of of his response thereto. In conjunction with the League office, we will undertake a serious evaluation of this matter.
We wish to be clear that we do not in any way condone or accept actions such as those alleged.
There have been occasions on which we have dismissed Raider employees for having engaged in inappropriate conduct. For reasons of privacy, we kept the basis for those dismissals confidential. We endured public opprobrium for the dismissals, all the while knowing our basis for them was appropriate.
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I am 100% shocked at this statement from the Raiders. Just floored. Without question what SHOULD have been released but the fact that it actaully WAS released?
WOW!
The ONLY thing saving Cable right now are the injuries to the offensive players. You see him beggin’ in the papers now talking about how those players coming back are going to change everything, lol. Jerry’s pause to reflect on Chaz’s impact against Dallas was HILARIOUS!
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Okay Nation, here goes:
This year is done … we are now virtually guaranteed a lock on another losing season. We have to focus on development and who we’re going to keep around for next year.
Cable should be the first to go. Al should do it NOW because all credibility (?) has been destroyed.
Pick up Chris Chambers now; start Javon Walker — make him either catch passes or blow out a knee (I hate to put it like that, but there it is).
JaMarcus is our problem, because of his salary; but just because he is on the roster doesn’t mean he has to play — turn the reigns over to Gradkowski.
Our focus should be on the next coach. If there is any way Al can bring in Shanahan as the new GM, it should happen as soon as possible.
At season’s end, I say offer the head coaching job to someone with a little head coaching experience and also Raider ties — bring back Terry Robiskie to the Nation!
Draft Day 2010 — the first three picks should be the highest rated offensive and/or defensive linemen. If Tony Pike is still available in the 4th Round, there is your pick!
Stay loyal to the Nation! I am convinced that Al still loves the team, but it’s so far gone that even he doesn’t know what to do … and like any addict, he’s not going to ask for any help. Maybe John Madden can play “Intervention” with him.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm
# jhill Says:
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LMFAO!
Like I said … translation – Please talk to me JHill.
Ok, here you go.
Do you really realize how often you use the word peanut?
Peanut? Cmon dude, really? LMFAO!
Well … that’s about all I got for ya.
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Hey, I admit it..I like embarrassing you.
See, when you get someone who’s all mouth? then you put them in their place? Like I did you? You did EXACTLY what most mouths who know squat do..they play the ‘Oh, well, now I just choose to NOT reply”
You know, and I know it’s not an option.
Save the ‘Please reply to me” take, peanut.
I, unlike you, aren’t carefully selective on who I decide to debate/take on.
I don’t blame you. You’re meek. Meek means it’s best to wisely pick your “opponent” when deciding to refute something. You’re one of dozens I choose to “pick on”..however, only YOU feel special, lol..yep…definitely a peanut.
Oh..and the funniest part?
Jhill: “Do you really realize how often you use the word peanut?”
In other words, contrary to YOUR CLAIMS OF NEVER EVEN BOTHERING TO READ..turns out that you, in fact, not only read, but you pay attention? Yep, LMFAO.
Little bait..and “twaaaaannnng”..
Oh..and HELL NO I didn’t expect you to reply regarding Schillens and JLH..damn dude, I just torched that idiot take of yours. NO ONE, especially your sorryass, is going to refute word one.
You can’t.
I told you..I’m good
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
If I was running the Raiders, and John Madden was my friend, I’d be on the phone to him every day.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
2010 FA QB’s:
Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (27)
Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (26)
Chad Pennington, Miami Dolphins (33)
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (28)
David Carr, New York Giants (30)
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (26)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (29)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (30)
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (25) – RFA
Patrick Ramsey, Tennessee Titans (30)
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (24) – ERFA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (25) – RFA
There’s one player with Raider written all over him…
DAVID CARR
Whether he’s still any good or not is irrelevant. He’s the type of player AL loves.
He’s a tall, very strong arm QB who floated around the league and hopefully learned from it. He has experience now.
He’s a former # 1 pick overall, and Al loves those guys. I betcha Al brings him in next year, hoping to find the next Jim Plunkett or Daryl Lamonica.
If nothing else, Al Davis is predictable. And guys like David Carr have always found a home in the silver and black.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
# vegas raider Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
No matter what we get from here on out, the Ellis signing was a good deal.
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LOL..that’s kind of like saying “hey, we didn’t get to the Super Bowl, but did you see that first down?”
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:52 pm
# Richochet Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
# vegas raider Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
No matter what we get from here on out, the Ellis signing was a good deal.
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LOL..that’s kind of like saying “hey, we didn’t get to the Super Bowl, but did you see that first down?”
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Right now, I’ll happily take the first down!
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Oh..and the funniest part?
Jhill: “Do you really realize how often you use the word peanut?”
In other words, contrary to YOUR CLAIMS OF NEVER EVEN BOTHERING TO READ..turns out that you, in fact, not only read, but you pay attention? Yep, LMFAO.
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It’s late, no one else seems to be posting, so ….
Let me put it to you this way, Little Ricky.
You are the Jamarcus Russell of this blog. 99% of the posters you encounter say you suck. Get it? Of course you don’t because like #2 you turn right around and tell everyone it’s not you. Like #2, you are in complete denial. I mean, you “complete a few short passes” every now and then with some of your points. But your deep ball us AWFUL. Your overall game is right on par with the immaturity of #2. You CLEARLY have no solid coaching or GM behind you. And like JRuss, you do the equivalent of rolling down your window and SNOBBING your nose at other Raider fans.
LMFAO at the guy throwing all the childish name calling shyt around and then in the same breath talking about someone else being in high school. That’s some dumb ass Jamarcus Russell shyt right there.
You shredded the Schillens and JLH take? LMFAO! Right there with JRuss says he’s a good QB.
Pull your skirt down bruh, and stop acting like a biotch all the time.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
[...] defensive end Greg Ellis will have minor knee surgery and will miss some [...]
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Simple question …
Is there any other team in the NFL that DHB, Watkins, Murphy, or JLH start for?
Ok, how about higher than 4th on the depth chart?
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Of the FA QBs of 2010 only two names interest me: Carr and Brett Ratliff.
Ratliff is a bit of an unknown but he looked insanely good with the Jets last preseason. But obviously he wasn’t going to play over Favre there. I’m shocked Mangina hasn’t started him in Cleveland yet with that offense doing its best Raiders impression behind Anderson and Brady.
Carr is a gamble. Could be another Plunkett who struggled before finding his groove with the Raiders. Or he could get sacked 67 times and lead us to another 4-12 season. Even at his worst in Houston he was better than JaMarcus has been this year. People like to blame the expansion situation and the o-line for Carr’s troubles in Houston. But sacks are often just as much a reflection of the QB’s indecisiveness as they are a bad o-line. I think that was a major part of Carr’s getting sacked so much. But maybe he’s learned since then.
Out of the rookie QBs I like Locker. He’s a gamer. McCoy and Bradford also deserve consideration. Tebow is a great college player but I don’t see him making it in the NFL. I’d be surprised if he gets picked in the 1st round. He may become a TE who runs the wildcat. The NFL is a passing league and Tebow is really not a very good passer. Definitely not a franchise QB.
One other FA possibility would be Kitna. I’d only be interested in him if JaMarcus shows enough over the second half of this season that it’s a true QB competition between the two in camp next year.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
I don’t really see a difference between those guys and Frye. I think we should start Frye coming out of the break, let Gradkowski back him up, and make #2 earn his way back up the ladder.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I have no problem starting either Frye or Gradkowski at any point from here on out. And I was one of the last to stand here and defend JaMarcus.
My biggest reason for making the switch is that this season is done anyway. Let one of the other guys start as an experiment at the very least so you can see just how bad JaMarcus is by comparrison or, if the results are pretty much the same, you’ll know that it’s just that the rest of the offense is so bad that JaMarcus might be better than it appears.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I still believe in you JR!! Don’t let me down young blood.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Why do people call JR fat, but they call Ben R Big?
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
I like Frye, but Lets see what JR can do with a better Oline,and having his 2nd fav target on the field.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
JR was the 1st pick for a reason, Talent! We are not developing talent. Loot at Huff, Gallery, brayton, Washington, Routt, DMC, Z Miller, etc…
I said ZM because I believe he can make the PB if he was playing for a better team. He may not have great speed, but he has great hands, he knows how to get open, find the soft zone in the Defense.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Wassup O,
Perception is reality as they say. JRuss has to take responsibilty for the perception that he gives off.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
JaMarcus will start the rest of the year. They have too much money tied up in him. And crazy Al has always believed that a QB takes time to develop. He won’t cut JR loose until he is absolutely sure he is a bust.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 pm
# Raider O Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Why do people call JR fat, but they call Ben R Big?
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Rings.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Superbowl rings? Or 30 karat ear rings?
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Big ben has the extra pounds from doing the post superbowl luncheon circuit.
JR is heavy from eating five chili cheese dogs and sleeping in meetings.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Go Jagludious
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 am
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November 3rd, 2009 at 9:13 am
“Said Murphy: ‘Everybody’s making a big deal about that. I heard some of my teammates said they showed it on TV. Actually, I had an inside release, and Johnnie an outside release and we ran into each other. I mean, it happens’.”
Great. I can almost hear him say “I thought I did a good job out there. That drop on 3rd down didn’t kill us too much, because they fumbled the punt & we recovered. The perfect pass I dropped in the endzone the next play didn’t hurt us much, because McFadden ended up scoring a TD 3 plays later. So, all in all, I did good…”
February 4th, 2010 at 5:26 am
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