Why Gruden won’t be back in 2010
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, November 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When the 2009 season concludes, it will be eight seasons since Jon Gruden was head coach of the Raiders.
That’s twice as long as he was coach of the Raiders.
Yet the topic of his potential return is never far from the minds of a significant segment of Raiders fans, in part because none of his successors has lasted more than two years since Al Davis traded Gruden to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a long-ago spent $8 million and some draft picks that never amounted to much.
The possibility of Gruden returning is probably the most asked question every week during on-line chats. I usually brush most of them off with a quick “no,” or never post the question at all and move on to something else.
It’s rare when a week goes by where I don’t receive e-mails about Gruden coming back to the team where he first became a head coach in 1998.
When Gruden and Bruce Allen were fired in Tampa Bay last Jan. 16, this blog shut down for a few hours, and I’m convinced it had to do with excess traffic. Could have been something else, I suppose, but it was a heck of a coincidence.
I’m guessing the Raiders got their share of e-mails and phone calls as well, because by Jan. 18, John Herrera was telling reporters “We’ve been down that road” and that any talk about bringing Gruden back was reckless speculation.
Coach Tom Cable is in a tenuous position with the club acknowledging it will take a serious look at ESPN allegations regarding his his history of violence toward women, which comes on the heels of the Randy Hanson affair.
Those issues, accompanied by a 2-6 record from a team Davis proclaimed to be “pretty good” two days before the season started, have the Gruden wishful thinking rumor mill churning again.
I said during Tuesday’s chat I’d give a more detailed explanation as to why I don’t see Gruden coming back since the bye week afforded some time with just two days of practice, so here goes.
For all the talk of Gruden leaving because of Al’s ego, or Gruden wanting to get away from Al, or Gruden requesting Tampa to be closer to his family, the reasons for his departure were contractual.
The two sides were working on a contract extension in 2001. Even when Gruden’s agent, Bob LaMonte, was making his return sound dire, Allen, an important middle man in the Davis-Gruden alliance, always thought a deal would get done.
Very late in the season, Gruden thought he had a deal. The extension was for three years, averaging around $3 million per season. In it, Gruden had control of the 53-man roster and the ability to pick his own coaching staff. He was fine with Davis running the draft and free agency, where he would have input but not the final say. But his two main issues were picking his own team, and picking his own coaches.
When Gruden and LaMonte met at a restaurant not far from the club facility and opened the envelope containing the contract, the provisions regarding control of the 53-man roster and picking the coaches had been removed. Much of the money had been pushed to the last season.
If this was a negotiating ploy by the Raiders to get Gruden to take less, it backfired. At that point he was intent on coaching his last season and looking for another job.
Gruden loved coaching the Raiders. Loved the fans, the tradition. He was proud of having taken the mess he inherited from Joe Bugel and making it special again. He used to tell Rich Gannon, “If we can turn this place around and win a championship here, it will be our legacy.”
Working with Davis is no picnic, but as we sat in a hotel room that served as his office at the Bucs Orlando, Fla., training camp in 2004, Gruden said, “I thought we were doing OK. We made it work.”
One former Raiders assistant told me that when Davis would make a request that Gruden didn’t agree with, he would have a film cut-up made detailing his reasons. Davis would see that his idea had been seriously considered and back off _ in large part because the Raiders under Gruden’s watch were wildly successful by today’s Raiders standards.
With that as a backdrop, what do you think are the chances that Gruden would come to work for the Raiders without control of the 53-man roster and the coaching staff? Especially when he can probably get it someplace else.
And what do you think are the chances that he’d come to work even for the $3 million that was offered in 2004 _ considerably more than any Raiders coach has been paid since then? Especially when he can probably get it someplace else.
And what are the chances that Davis would grant control of the 53-man roster as well as complete control of the coaching staff?
And what are the chances that Davis would pay Gruden what he’d receive from owners with deeper pockets on the open market?
Gruden isn’t the only part of the equation.
One of the reasons the Davis-Gruden collaboration worked in Oakland was because of Allen. As single-minded as Davis is about what he believes in, Gruden is equally as driven and determined. He can be impatient and after a period of time can wear on even his most loyal friends and assistants.
Allen was the perfect buffer between Davis and Gruden. One former assistant coach described Allen as the person who made it all work, because without him, the owner and coach would have never co-existed comfortably.
Allen came to the Raiders in part because his father, the late George Allen, was an iconoclastic football lifer like Davis. Bruce Allen, like Davis, was a head coach at a young age, a young GM for his father in the USFL, and later became an agent. But Allen held coaches in reverence, having been raised by one, while Davis was more about players than coaches.
Trading Gruden was just fundamentally the wrong thing to do in Allen’s mind, and it was really no surprise when he opted to join Gruden in Tampa.
If Gruden were to return to the Raiders, the spike in interest would be off the charts. The success Gruden built in the form of two division championships and setting the table for a third, is reason enough for a lot of fans to long for the closest thing to the good old days that exist since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.
How can that happen?
Davis admits his mistake and Gruden returns with control of the 53-man roster, control of his coaching staff, and a salary considerably more than any Raiders coach has ever been paid.
Allen returns to manage the salary cap run the day-to-day operations, mostly at Gruden’s behest.
Other members of the support staff who left the Raiders for the Bucs, and closely aligned with Gruden and Allen, also return.
Davis takes a back seat and lets someone else do the heavy lifting to rebuild his tattered franchise, available for advice, support and perspective but letting his coach and senior executive do their jobs.
If you think all those things can happen, dream on.
Hey, the Raiders came back to Oakland in 1995 after 13 years in Los Angeles. What’s another miracle 15 years later?
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November 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Bring back Chucky and hire Madden as a consultant.
November 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I hate it!! Everything makes so much sense to get Gruden here, but AL is such a corpse he wouldn’t do it, after 20 years of Raider nation in a young life, I’m bout to slam the door on this team!!
November 6th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Al has got to be tired of being the “laughingstock” of the league.
I would not be surprised to see happen what Jerry thinks is fantasy.
Not even LA would take this team back. Al is going to have to deal, or it will be more of the same every year.
November 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I’ve seen a lot of things I never thought I’d see, often on a daily basis in this life. Who knows what will occur despite the reading by Jerry McNostradamus.
November 6th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Best blog entry of yours I’ve ever read, Jerry. You’ve got to write about this top level stuff at least once a week for now on. A nice break from the monotony of discussing the x’s and o’s and players of an already dead system, which has become like a bunch of guys looking at a broken down car with the engine smoking, and discussing what kind of tires would make it better.
November 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Davis must delegate! The background check on Cable should have been much better than it was. In the age of the salary cap the real difference is good coaching and consistancy. You only get that by paying coaches and letting them have some leeway.
Al if you read this. You had an extreme advantage in the 1960-70’s because you would take chances on people and not judge them based on race color or checkered past. At this point all teams are the same on this point so you have lost that advantage. They now have an advantage over you because they value coaching and player development and understand what it takes to make that happen. You simply can not out work a 45 year old man when you are 80+. Delegate!!!!
November 6th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
While I agre with ,ost of what’s statd here concerning Al and Gruden I’m not sure I agre with all. Gruden’s mother was very sick which is omitted here. The Tampa job came availabe and he wanted it for those reasons. The story about the money being less and contol taken back is up to the reader to accept or reject. It’s the first time I ever heard it.
I do know that Gruden indeed wanted controll over the roster and his coaching staff. He like Kiffin wanted a haven for his family to come here and coach. His brother is the HC in the UFL and his father is a long time scout. There weere some other shananigans that Gruden was insisting on for his family such as a certain employee being removed and his father taking his place in the personnell dept. Which are not mentioned here. That is what I was led to believe why Gruden left. But the biggest factor was being near his family and having total control while he would only have partial here. Oh! and the Glaciers gave him a lot of money.
Now looking back on all this, Gruden got EVERYTHING he wanted there in Tampa….right! Total control, money and family members employed and he could make it work. So why in hell would Al Davis make an about face and say hey! Grudogg you screwed it up royally there but come on back here and I’ll give ya’ another shot!!
You must be CRAZY!!!!
November 6th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
WE WILL NEVER BE GOOD AGAIN…AGAin…AGain…Again…again…
November 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Jerry, I know you don’t read the comments section, and perhaps maybe I should ask you during one of the chats, but I’ll take a shot. Did Davis really offer Bobby Petrino that giant contract a few years back? If so, it might be possible that Al would be willing to pay the money, at least, for someone like Gruden. Control of roster, though? And coaching staff? Davis has never done it, has he? Surreal picture you painted of Gruden and Allen opening up Davis’s proposal at the restaurant and realizing he removed the language Gruden demanded. Reminds me of the scene in Entourage when Terrence gives Ari that folded piece of paper that says he gets nothing. Either that was a serious twist of the knife by Al, sparked by a building rage of jealousy that had been simmering over the previous few years over Gruden’s celebrity and the agreed upon theory amongst the media and fans alike that the Raiders were Gruden’s team, and he was to credit for their success, or, Al Davis really thought Gruden was dumb enough to sign without even reading it, which would confirm theories that he’s lost his mind.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
And he could NOT make it work! They fired his ass 6 years after winning the SB for the losinest franchise in NFL history. And just look at the state that he let that team in. Would you give him the same control here if you could make that decision? He left us old and uncompetitive and he did the same thing there.
What part of this don’t people see? he won the SUPER BOWL and got fired 6 years later. You think this a tatered franchise just look at the way he let Tampa.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Priest,
Another bogus post by the most bogus poster on this board.
1) Gruden won a Superbowl in Tampa. Period. More than a few Superbowl champs have faltered in the years after.
2) Gruden DID make it work in Oakland. He single handedly turned the whole garbage organization around. If Davis has any sense left in his senile decrepid body he will take that into consideration.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
MR you idiot, did he really offer the money every wire service had it that he did including ESPN. He also offered the same contract to Sean Peyton.
Peyton has turned out to be twice the coach Gruden was and he doesn’t turn his players off the way Gruden did. Somebody will get that money if tghis thing with Cable blows up. If Nnamdi and other players had not insisted on Cable I really believe Kevin Gilbride would be the HC in oakland. I talked to someone very close to the situation at that time and it was nose to nose with Cable getting the nod because of the influence of his players.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Yeah why don’t you hire him then for your hamburger stand in front of your house. Dumb Dude!
November 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
priest,
You tell us to take Jerry’s version with a grain of salt because you’ve never heard it, and then you come at us with this shaky hearsay about Gruden’s mother being sick (never heard of it), and Gruden trying to get jobs for his relatives (never heard of that, either)?
OK, sure, Jerry has no iron clad, video or audio proof of his version, but here’s the options we’re faced with: Believing him, a journalist who may have it in for Al but for the most part at least tries to be objective when reporting on the team, or believing you, a 100% spinmeister for everything Al Davis and Raiders. Jerry has knocked the franchise, and complimented it, Priest. When have you ever, ever, been critical of this franchise, aside from a token “hey, we’ve struggled”, and “Al has made mistakes” here and there, shredded somewhere in your long winded diatribes about how we’re just one player away from being on top?
I actually agree with you that Gruden didn’t pan out to be what the Glaciers thought he was when they acquired him. But since you’re only going to give the bad on Gruden, I’m going to at least be objective and point out that he never really did build his offense there because he didn’t want to dismantle their great defense. That’s why he kept Monte Kiffin on and drafted for defense a lot more than most offensive minded coaches do. It’s hard to say what would happen if Gruden took an expansion team, or some horrible team that had stunk up the league before his arrival, that didn’t already have a legendary defense that he felt inclined to preserve, and he were to just build an offense undevoted to the other side of the ball…well, that’s pretty much what he did here. And, that offense eventually made it to a Super Bowl. It would have won that Super Bowl if he was still here to coach it.
Priest, if you want to see the Raiders win a Super Bowl again before Al passes on, Gruden is your only hope. Take that to the bank.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Hey!! all you Gruden lovers get out and take Gruden with you. If he’s such a great coach he’ll get a job somewhere soon and you can all take yo’ ass’s over there. how ’bout that??
November 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
MR you freakin’ idiot you don’t know your ass from grass. Who are you to tell me what the last chamnce is sucka? Get your dumb ass out and follow him……..bye!
November 6th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
This was by far the greatest freakin article ever written by you Jerry.
Jerry…seriously…great job.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
PRIEST WHY ARE YOU INSULTING EVERYONE? WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU? IS IT BECAUSE YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC? IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC? WHY DO YOU FEEL INCLINED TO PERSONALLY ATTACK EVERY SINGLE PERSON YOU DIRECT A COMMENT TOWARD? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU’RE ACCOMPLISHING?
November 6th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
some things never change… Yall a trip!!!
November 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Why are you saying “bye”, priest? Are you leaving? Because I’m not.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
PRIEST, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF DAVIS HIRED GRUDEN AFTER THIS SEASON? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU STILL BE AS CRITICAL OF HIM? WOULD YOU STOP BEING A FAN? GIVE ME AN HONEST ANSWER, PRIEST. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF AL DAVIS HIRED JON GRUDEN NEXT JANUARY?
November 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I don’t see the Bucs 0-7 Bucs as a team that Gruden built. I see a bad coach unable to do what Gruden was able to do with that team. It also doesn’t help that Kiffin is no longer the Defensive Coordinator and they really stripped that team of the veterans that were there and went with a much much younger team so they lack that leadership and experience on the team that Gruden brought there. They were really on there way to the playoffs until Monte Kiffin stated he was going to join Lane Kiffin and thats when they lost the last 4 games because I think the players checked out at that moment.
To me…Gruden did more with the roster he built than Morris has been able to accomplish.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Also…if Nnamdi really wanted Cable here, I think it had more to do with wanting consistency at the Head Coach position than it did with anything else. Bringing in another Head Coach would have just been more difficult for the team altogether.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Here’s a question, priest. Who has done better since Gruden left Oakland? Al Davis, or Jon Gruden? The answer to that question should run this football team. Fair enough?
November 6th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I’m 29 years old and In my lifetime I’m not old enough to remember seeing a dominant Raider team that I’ve watched film about. The Gruden era was great but it didn’t result in any superbowl wins. I’ll never turn my back on the Raiders because I epitomize a Raider and all of us in here do but it’s gonna be rough because I don’t see us getting good any time soon. F the world unless your a Raider fan
November 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Marc Trestman will be the next coach of the Oakland Raiders. I would like to see Bruce Allen come back to be a buffer between Marc and Al.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Damnit Jerry Mac,pretty depressing
November 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Great post, thanks for the insight.
MR,
You are correct on this one. While I’m not sure that Gruden is the ONLY answer, I am sure that he is the most logical answer. He would be the one man who would reinvigorate this stale organization. Gruden has presence when he roams the sidelines, has an uncanny passion for the game and certainly has a knack for the X’s and O’s. Gruden gave the Raiders a personality and he was the key piece to the teams success pre-2002. Gruden made the Raiders a relevant football team, a team that people would pay to see, and a team that people like us could be proud of. He, along with Allen, their support staff, and yes, Al Davis as well, brought this franchise back from the dead and put it back on the map. Ever since Gruden left, the reasons are really irrelevant, the team has not been the same. The organization has not been the same, the players have not been the same, the attitude has not been the same, and yes, us fans, have not been the same. You can only go so long trying to take a piece-meal approach to fixing your organization. One big free agent here, another big free agent there. A headline draft pick here, and a another “can’t miss” prospect there. This can’t go on forever, at some point Al Davis needs to cut his losses, recognize that this place has not been the same since Gruden left, and go out and do whatever he needs to do to bring Gruden back on board. That would be the one move that would light a fire back into the Nation, and the move that I hope Al Davis makes.
And besides, the schemes we’re running right now are so incredibly basic it’s almost embarrassing. This is a new generation of football. A generation where complexity fits (assuming you have smart enough coaches to coach it up, which we don’t have, and smart enough players to execute it, which again, we don’t have). Smart works, and right now, we are not a smart football team. Bringing Gruden back would be the first step, a big one at that, in bringing this organization back from the dead and making us, once again, a smart football team.
Priest,
Your blind faith in Al Davis is commendable, but enough is enough. At this point, it’s actually a bit embarrassing. It doesn’t take a genius to see that there are SERIOUS issues with how this team is run from the very top, and this dysfunction undoubtedly has trickled down to the players who suit up on Sundays. Tell me one Fortune 500 company where the CEO/Owner has the power to do whatever he/she wants? You won’t be able to, because there are none. This is not how business works. Every great CEO recognizes that he/she does not have all of the answers, which is why you bring in capable people who are equally as competent and equally as skilled at their specific job to help you out. Acknowledging that you won’t have all of the answers, all of the time, is part of being a great leader, and it is, sadly for us, a characteristic that Al Davis does not possess.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
>>Very late in the season, Gruden thought he had a deal. The extension was for three years, averaging around $3 million per season. In it, Gruden had control of the 53-man roster and the ability to pick his own coaching staff. He was fine with Davis running the draft and free agency, where he would have input but not the final say. But his two main issues were picking his own team, and picking his own coaches.
When Gruden and LaMonte met at a restaurant not far from the club facility and opened the envelope containing the contract, the provisions regarding control of the 53-man roster and picking the coaches had been removed. Much of the money had been pushed to the last season.>>
Jerry, that’s hilarious…And you just happened to sit silent on this nugget for 8 years huh? Well my source with the Raiders said a very different thing in 2002. You must forget that Lamonte was also the same agent for Mike Holmgren. You know the agent who floated rumors all superbowl week before the broncos* that he was looking at the Seattle gig. Of course he got Holmgren COMPLETE control of that franchise, much like what he got Gruden in Tampa…Oh yeah my source said gruden wanted EVERYTHING. And he DID get that in Tampa. Do you think Rich McKay just happened to quit in 2003 DURING the season and join the Falcons
because Gruden wasn’t given ALL control. I mean ‘if’ Gruden was ok with Al running the draft & free agency why would he have a problem with Rich McKay running it who had been more successfu? The final nail was when B Allen was hired as “GM” in 2004. Also, if Gruden wasn’t picking his own coaches how did Willie Shaw end up here?
I get you don’t like Al Jerry, but don’t make up crap to further your agenda(oh wait you’re in the media).
November 6th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Gruden looks too comfortable on MNF I think he wants to be the next Madden.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
MR you freakin’ idiot you don’t know your ass from grass.
Apparently you don’t either buttholeprik
Other wise you 
wouldn’t always be sniffing it 
November 6th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I have to agree that this is probably the best entry I’ve read from Jerry.
Priest, YOU are trippin’ dude!
I bet you Gruden’s family would be better than Sanjay Lal and Jim Michalczik.
Bringing Chucky back is a no brainer.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
LMAO…. chill happy troll
November 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Control of the roster and the coaching staff while being ok with Davis running the draft and FA?
That’s it?!?!?
CMON Al!
WTF!
November 6th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Very late in the season, Gruden thought he had a deal. The extension was for three years, averaging around $3 million per season. In it, Gruden had control of the 53-man roster and the ability to pick his own coaching staff. He was fine with Davis running the draft and free agency, where he would have input but not the final say. But his two main issues were picking his own team, and picking his own coaches.
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I’ve been a Raider fan since 1964′ (12 years old). And frankly, until about 10 years ago, I took for granted the above circumstances. That a Head Coach hires his assistances and pick the 53. Duh, hello???????????
November 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Jerry, that’s hilarious…And you just happened to sit silent on this nugget for 8 years huh? Well my source with the Raiders said a very different thing in 2002.
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Ahhhhh
“3 Sides to every story” proes true once again.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
BTW, all you dopes that are saying “we’re not the same as when Gruden left” you can say it about Dungy and McKay leaving Tampa…In fact, if we’re gonna take a castoff from Tampa, I’d call up Rich McKay…All Gruden did in Tampa was live off a top 10 defense and ONCE they got old, they could no longer cover his Sh!t-sandwich offense…No Gruden=overrated, just get a personnel guy.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
*proves
November 6th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I’d take gruden back… Cant be worse that we’ve been lately
November 6th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Many in the media could not stand it when the Raiders had Gruden as coach, it killed them. That is why after Gruden left many feed story after story about the hate that Gruden had for Mr. Davis and the Raiders. The only problen with it?, it was all bull.
From Grudens speach when getting to Tampa to his book and on to this day Jon Gruden has never knocked Mr. Davis or the Raiders and per his book looked upon his time working with Mr. Davis and the Raiders as a special time. Did he want to beat his old team in the SB?, sure he did, anyone would.
On the NFL Network Draft coverage of the 2009 draft as the whole panel were taking shots at Mr. Davis and the Raiders. Gruden burst in and shut them all up, the panel looked stunned at how Gruden made the shape of a Globe using his hands when stating the Raiders are truly Global. You watch that and you can see that Jon Gruden is a Raider no matter where he goes the dude is a Raider.
Will Mr. Davis bring him home?, who knows but Mr. Davis is 80. Mr. Davis did say he might bring in someone for the office.
Bring Jon home and tell him they just do not want him to coach but after he does not want to coach anymore he can run the Raiders for MR. Davis and his son which from what I hear does not want a hands on part with the team.
Grudens good friend stated on the radio that Gruden would consider the Raiders and if he came would bring Bruce Allen with him. Hell give him a small part of the team to make it work if you must.
If Mr. Davis loves his Raiders like I know he does why would he not want to see the organization put in good hands for the future before he passes.
Gruden and Bruce Allen know what a Raider is and what a Raiders team should be. Bring them home Mr. Davis just watching all the media people becoming sick would be worth the whole deal.
Years ago it was a players game more so than a coaches. Today it has become an equal part coach and players and it is the teams that understand that that win.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Maybe under Gruden we weren’t as flashy as some other teams, but bottom line is WE WON! Our organisation was getting the Raider swagger back, and besides Gruden was meant to be a Raider coach! What have we done since he left? Nothing but mediocrity at best. So Al, for the sake of a long time suffering old fart Raider fan, please do something drastic to right this sinking ship. The Raider Nation deserves better than the garbage we’re being served up on a weekly basis. It’s up to you Al, winners or losers!
November 6th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
MR you idiot, did he really offer the money every wire service had it that he did including ESPN. He also offered the same contract to Sean Peyton.
Peyton has turned out to be twice the coach Gruden was and he doesn’t turn his players off the way Gruden did. Somebody will get that money if tghis thing with Cable blows up. If Nnamdi and other players had not insisted on Cable I really believe Kevin Gilbride would be the HC in oakland. I talked to someone very close to the situation at that time and it was nose to nose with Cable getting the nod because of the influence of his players.
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Bullcrap Rabbi!
I’m down here in the N.O. and just last year this whole city was screaming for Payton’s head. The word on Payton is(was) that he is stubborn as a mule (Al Davis). His play calling has been questioned for every one of those 8 losses last year and even some of the w’s.
But winning makes doo doo smell like homemade cookies. Drew Brees may get the league MVP this year but he has been here doing that for a few years now.
Down here we know what’s up. And the real cats that turned the Saints around are DC Gregg Williams, Jonathan Vilma, and Darren Sharper. Period.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
I want Gruden Back. He will instantly make JaMarcus tough or he will get rid of him. Remember the Snow Job in New England, Gruden took the field coaching the entire game wearing a fuggin Visor. JaMarcus got on a damn beannie in 80 degree heat.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
This article clearly articulates everything that is wrong with Al Davis. Regardless of the Gruden question, the fact that a coach can’t pick his assistants and determine who starts on game day is so ridiculous. It is this fact that the Commissioner or SOMEONE should intervene.
Jeez….Al Davis has 100% control of the draft and picking the roster….yet he insists on…oh well…
What an absolute joke Davis is for setting up a structure that CANNOT work!
That’s why I’ve given up on expecting the Raiders to ever win a game. I just watch because I’ve followed the Raiders for years and enjoy Sunday football. Just tell the players to give me effort. That’s all!
Davis has dismantled his reputation with this nonsense.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Anyone defending Davis’ method here doesn’t have a clue on how a successfull organization/leader works.
Dictatorship does not work in the long-run
November 6th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
jhill Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Control of the roster and the coaching staff while being ok with Davis running the draft and FA?
That’s it?!?!?
CMON Al!
WTF!
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It’s madness! Absolute madness! No matter how you cut it. What Davis is doing is crazy. What kind of coach would accept a job under those conditions.
This is the REAL reason Kiffin quit. Let’s be real. You’re a head coach yet you don’t have authority over your assistants….you have no authority over your players….the starting lineup…why even hire a head coach.
Davis hires glorified Offensive Coordinators and tries to coach from the booth.
Oh well. As for the players…this madness shouldn’t stop you from TRYING to perfect your game and give maximum effort on game day…even if the scheme/strategy is flawed.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Like Mr. Davis said in the press conferences, he wants to win another championship before he passes on. So, at some point he’s going to have to swallow up his pride and give the reigns over to someone he knows that he can trust. Who better than John Gruden?
November 6th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
That’s what I was trying to tell the shapeshifter (PriestTJ, MRisadouchebag, I’m sure various other names), if he wants to see Davis win another SB before passing away, Gruden is the only prayer.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
A friend of mine saw Jerry’s comments about Gruden and e-mailed me and asked me to comment.
I decided to read Jerry’s comment and move on.
I decided to send this comment out to Priest.
Priest,
You and I have never had good words or bad, usually we just brush past each other. My time on this blog has diminished for many reason, mostly my business and the financial industry as a big part in my firms success.
The time when I’m on this blog, I notice you constantly call the others here stupid, idiot’s, dummy’s. The calling of names is not persuasive to your comments or points.
The blog functions as an opinion to Jery’s comments or what others have decided to comment about. We all can’t agree with each other all the time. We try to inject what we see or believe and most of us have real passioned views on the Raiders.
Your debate that never got started with MR was real revealing. MR has been on this blogfor some time. MR has no qualms about who he believes is the reason for our poor play the last 6.5 years, and he tells us everyday.
MR comments about Gruden are his opinion and does not for what I read solicited your name calling of his opinion. I know you guys have gone in circles over the years, but you have also called others the same names as I mentioned above. I’ve seen you attack Dakota, 24, Brien,KK, and a few others.
I don’t really care if you rub elbows with the Raider brass, or your insights at Harbor Bay Parkway. I just believe you should stop calling names to others who don’t share your opinion. I can find no other person who is on this blog that calls out others as much as you.
I’m not telling you not to comment, just stop the name calling and maybe our discussions will lead to less hostility.
I have no hard feelings toward you, just will hope you’ll change and respect us all.
We all want this organization to recover and to play winning football again, we all have different comments how to achieve this turnaround.
Thanks for your comments, I’ll look forward to reading them again.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
If Al wants us season ticket holders to re up he better consider Gruden. It’s getting to be to much money for too little production. We all loved Gruden..
November 6th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Very good article.
I have the idea that Gruden coming back is a very probable scenario.
Consider that Al Davis brought back Art Shell for a second round!!!
I believe Al Davis knows his time is limited. He has to know that. He also, more than anybody else, knows that Gruden was the last good thing that happened to the Raiders….
There is no argument that can contradict that…
And it is also obvious he has to pass the torch to someone shortly… Why not pass it to Gruden an Allen, 2 people he knows…
It is a very likely scenario… it is obvious and a genius touch to resurrect his legacy….
Lets start a campaign Bring Back Gruden…
Get it done and we will be back on top of the AFC West years to come…
November 6th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
24, wether you realise it or not your post#22 is a serious indictment against Jon Gruden. If his players checked out because an old man who’s the DC said he was leaving what does that say about the players respect for Jon Gruden and that’s what you Grudenites don’t get. Someone like Jeff Garcia ripped Gruden a new one after he got fired. So did several other players. Quite frankly I was shocked because the players here liked Gruden. But he was able to stay long enugh to wear them out like he did there. Jon Gruden whom I really liked when he was here is very overrated as a personnel man. He’s a very good motivator and fiery leader. Great X’s and O’s but runs a very boring offense that’s actually outdated.
MR no matter what you say I wouldn’t listen. Your tooo freakin’ dumb and I have zero respect for anything you have to say…………..period so you may as well try that crap on one of these suckers dumb enough to listen to it. You don’t know football and you have zero idea about the Raiders……..period
If you left and never came back it would be the best thing that could happen to this forum freakin’ idiot.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Gruden, Gruden, Gruden. I’m in … It was the best time over the last twenty years..
November 6th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
differing opinions is what makes the Nation great i want them both
November 6th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
I never thought they would come back to Oakland. Man am I glad I was wrong about that too. Gruden is the only other coach I will root for. Otherwise it’s the Cable show for me.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
differing opinions is what makes the Nation great i want them both
Both to leave
or both to stay 
November 6th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Stay of course. I think to broaden all of our horizons we need both of there opinions. Wether I agree with them or not. It’s a fresh view for me.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Stay of course. I think to broaden all of our horizons we need both of there opinions. Wether I agree with them or not. It’s a fresh view for me.
I
respect your 
opinion> I just wonder 
if you 
will have the same opinion when you 
don’t agree with buttholeprik 
and he 
starts calling you 
names like he 
has everywhere else that he 
has posted 
November 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Sticks and stones. He doesn’t sign my paycheck. And he will never be my keeper.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Yes he will, and so will you possibly. And I know I’m not perfect and I have had my share of bad moments on the blog. But, I really enjoy the Venue and appreciate a place to vent my frustrations over the Raiders. And I look forward to saying RRRRAAAIIIIIDDDDERSSSS at the top of my lungs when we do return to prominence.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Raider Dell, I’m cool with that. But I’ve stpped posting in here for a very different reason I can’t stomach some of the lunacy.
People wanting Jon Gruden back hereis definitely what I consider lunacy. You guy’s are pining for something that took place once here. As Jerry mentioned and I concur the real reason that worked was due to the efforts of Bruce Allen. You guy’s think you know but you don’t know. I’m happy to stop posting here anytime cause most in here are like whinning babies that can’t have their way.
I’ll just say this to want Jon Gruden back here shows a lot of ignorance and wild assumptions in my opinion. I’m not saying it’s impossible but you guy’s are assuming that things go back to what they were.
You ARE CRAZY!!
The assumtion by my saying that is that I don’t like Jon Gruden and nothing could be further from the truth I just know what happened and what it would take and what might be the result and those thoughts make me say ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
I would’ve loved to have Sean Peyton but maybe at that time even he wasn’t ready. The guy I would love to have if we can’t keep Tom Cable is Jim Harbaugh. That Gruden ship has sailed…………period and further more I never liked Jon’s offense. If Tom Cable can get rid of the skeleton’s I feel he can be a very good HC in time he has a lot of what it takes but he’s wrestling with a very young team. So we’ll see……
I probably should cntinue my habit of never reading MR’s post because I hate that fool…….period
November 6th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
If Gruden did come back, we’d certainly find out quickly if JaBustus was going to make it or not. Gruden would give him two weeks to show-up, put in the necessary time & effort that all successful NFL QB’s must do and perform satisfactorily in a game. It would be that approach or get out of town BUSTA.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Do you guys think that the 9ers ever thought that Alex Smith would ever start for them again?
November 6th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
JB, then how come he couldn’t get that done with the 15 QB’s he had down there? Boy you guy’s are ignorant! You can’t see the forest for the trees. Gruden doesn’t know talent and neither does Bruce Allen but go right ahead in your dream world about Gruden. Gruden has NEVER developed a QB in his LIFE………………period
You guy’s are turning Gruden into some kind of genius and you really have no clue.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I believe that Gruden will get more than $3 mill a year in a college program. As for Al giving up that type of control over both coaches and roster, I don’t believe it will ever happen but it needs to. I hope that Cable gets that opportunity but I don’t know if he will survive the fire storm being created by the current media circus and one sided spin. The media giving credence to the allegations of a stalker and an adulterer are at times a little hard to take.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
priesttj how do you know what happened with al and gruden and you say you didnt like his offense but it won games how do you like the offense we have now
November 6th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
If Al Davis wants to make a final statement againts the NFL and be a true maverick, that would be to bring back Gruden and Allen
November 6th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Its more than Genius for me. It was a swagger. No one said he developed any quarterbacks. He hasn’t. He brings a certain flavor to a team that is very Vanilla right now. He is the chocolate and the Cherry on top.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Amongst the usual garbage that we read here are some very good analytical posts. Thanks guys. I may have a slightly different take from Jerry McDonald.
According to Gary Peterson in the Contra Costa Times, after the Raiders lost the 2000 AFC Championship game, Al went into a profane tirade in the locker room, much directed at Gruden. Because his young sons were there, Gruden was embarrassed, furious and vowed that he would not coach the Raiders beyond his contract which expired the following season.
Do you guys remember the rumors about Gruden going to Notre Dame and about every other pro or college job in 2001? Although Jerry may be accurate in his depiction of meetings/agents/contracts etc, I’m convinced that Gruden was not returning in 2002 under any circumstances. And as a sidebar, I believe Al went into a similar tirade against Bill Callahan following the SB loss and as a result, Callahan basically sabotaged the Raiders in 2003.
I’d love to see both Gruden and Bruce Allen return. And except for maybe Bill Cowher, Gruden it is the only coach who will make the fans energized and again fill the seats at the Coliseum.
Have a great night!
November 6th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Dell,
Good evening sir. Me and the family are going to Jordan in Dec for a few weeks. Would you like to visit? I saw your posts, and I was hoping I can be you guide to some nice places, good food, and a good time. We can also talk finance. I have a lot of questions. lol
November 6th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
If Davis can shell out over 100 million in guaranteed contract to useless garbage like Jabustus, McFalldown, Darius Heward Bust and Yvonne Walker than whats 5 million a year for Gruden?
November 6th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
“Cable is a great coach. He is an excellent aggressive play-caller. He gets the most out of his players week in week out. When we played them this year they gave us all we could handle. When I become a free agent I would love to play for whatever team Tom Cable is coaching.”
Bart Scott
November 6th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
16, maybe I’ll try this with you, Gruden’s offense left a lot of yards on the field and never threatened the defense. He was fine getting 3 yards per PASS. When he got here he was extremely compelling. To watch him coach and I was able to see it up close was inspiring. You could see he was going to be successful. Until it got down to allowing him to make some personnel moves and the QB’s he brought here were as underwhelming as he was overwhelming. Until Bruce brought Gannon’s highlight reel and Gruden saw it and was persuaded to give him a chance. That’s when what Gruden was trying to do lifted right off the page and came to life. He ran his offense as well as it could be run. He was the right QB for the right coach. It worked almost immediately. 6 game sinto the season we were struggling offensively and then it started to click. Mr Davis added key talent such as Woodson, Rice, Eric Allen and others like Lincoln Kennedy. And we took off but he often frusrated Mr Davis with the dink and dunk. I have been in the office when there were heated exchanges. On the sideline as well. Mr Davis and Gruden did actually like each other but had differing phylosophies which Allen would smooth over.
Gruden pushed for more control and MR Davis refused because it was obvious Gruden was not ready for it. That’s when Gruden started to get antsy and started shopping other jobs. Mr Davis grew tired of it because he knew the kid was taking advantage of his ppularity amongst Raider fans and the media. Mr Davis wanted him to focus on the team and coach it. Which he was very good at but his head got tooo big and he thought he was better than he really was.
The rest is history….
The offensive system we have now I really like but it’s not being executed to it’s potential and that has nothing to do with the offense itself but the people running it. As these young players continue to mature you’ll see a very explosive offense in time. I hope not too long.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
damn priest u were in the office can u hook a brotha up let me meet some players or something (im not even being sarcastic) im dead serious can i get some tickets or something its not like anybody else is going to the games but make sure its in the wheelchair section
November 6th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Sweet,
504s on here posting lies and Priest is on here posting more rediculous BS.
Priest wont answer ???s but I will try any ways.
Have you EVER been right about anything?? EVER??
November 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
16, read post #78 by topthecharts there is a lot of truth in that. Everybody tries to make it a onesided argument in favor of Gruden but Gruden did some very underhanded crap and he knows what he did wasn’t cool.
Every few months he was rumored to go somewhere else, it got very old. When he left i was almost glad it was over, because of all the rumors.
Mr Davis has made his mistakes and I’ll be the first to admit that being a huge supporter of his. But a lot of the crap that’s said is just that CRAP.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
hey dude i bet you’re happy everything u predicted came true
November 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Dude, eat it!! and stop asking me questions GET IT?
November 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Raider 0
Thanks for the invite. I will remind you for future reference of your offer.
I would love to go to Jordan. I wish you and your family a safe journey.
I have many plans, just a few more years left to work, before the real fun starts.
My son will be home from college. I need to reconnect with him during the month of December.
Thanks for the invite.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
priest i could care less about gruden right now i can hardly remember when he was coach im trying to get to where you are you were in the room when gruden and davis were arguing how can i get in 1220 Harbor BayParkway
November 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Priest,
Have you ever answered one?
I mean seriously…. All I am doing is asking you to answer for your past predictions. Are you a coward??
November 6th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
16 year old,
Yep, just thrilled. Sorry, havent taken the “kool aid” pill yet. Still livin in reality.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Dude
What’s wrong with the USC defense?
November 6th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
16, my relationship with that organization is not what it once was. I have a hard time with that but it is what it is. If it turns out that I can get tickets for a game I’ll post it in here and leave them for you at the front desk. Ask for Monica……
Adios!!
November 6th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
16,
If you believe Priest then I have a bridge to sell you… LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Dell,
Is this a SC blog?? Whats wrong with the Raider D??
November 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT…
Priest running like a cowardly beatch when called out on his BS.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
hey if hes lying then hes lying but i got nothing to lose if he was in the room with davis than he should be able to get free tickets or something if hes lying than its not like im looking forward to him getting me something
November 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
16, If I get them, you’ll know…..ignore the background noise.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Dude
I thought you wouldn’t comment about your USC Trojans.
I get it when there doing great you mention them on this blog,but when they give up more than 36 points in three straight games, silence is your golden rule.
That Oregon game was brutal. USC is lucky, the Ducks kicked three field goals during those last three trips in the red zone or the score would have been in the 60’s.
Yeah let’s talk about those Raiders. Especially since USC is looking at the Holiday Bowl, maybe the Las Vegas Bowl.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
16, I didn’t say I was in the room I said I was in the office. I’ve never been privy to a direct exchange between the two parties. Unless it was in the lockeroom. Where that would never happen.
My relationship was purely as a fan with unusual access.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Dell,
You are welcome, and just let me know when you are ready. Enjoy your time with you son. You are a good man. You remind of my father when you talk about your son, and your son is lucky to have you.
Good Night.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
dude do you enjoy when the raiders do bad or are you happy that you were right or what, do you like the team and just know they are bad so you can tell optimistic fans how bad they are so you can be right or what
November 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Raider O
Keep up on your studys, the plan will come together soon.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Dell,
You want to talk about SC? Ok. First lets find out who your college is then we can move on….
November 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
16,
Optimistic fans are fools. Period. Feel its my duty to inform them of that fact.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
priest how did you get so much access and how can i try to get it
November 6th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
so people who want their team to do good are fools what happens if we get good will you still find problems
November 6th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
i havent got a posting too quickly its a miracle the blog is working
November 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Dude
You just will not talk about your USC Trojans, when there down and losing.
I guess the rule is only you can ask questions, but no one else can.
You are just one funny guy. I really enjoy your comments. I just wish you would answer questions that we ask of you as you ask of us.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
16,
People who want their team to be good arent fools. People who blindly believe all the nonsense put out by the team year and year out are.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I am more than willing to talk SC. Just curious who your college team is. Thats all.
Is SC down and losing??
November 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Dude,
Thanks for the comments about USC. I really appreciate those wise words of optimisim.
I look forward to your comments about them again.
Thanks for taking the time to inform me of there problems.
Have a good night. I will try to keep in mind your positive thoughts about USC.
Have a great night.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
16, I’m not sure how it got started but it has been that way since the late 70’s and early 80’s. It just happened, I loved the team and was always bugging somebody and it just happened.
Some people revel in others misery. They can’t be happy unless they see someone unhappy. They seek out those that will allow them to use them that way.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Dell,
Yep, thats what I thought. U aint got sheet as usual.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Oh really Priest?? Please go on….Your lies are sooooo enthralling
November 6th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
dude i hate usc and im mad cal cal played like punks against them and oregon but im glad usc is playing bad kinda like you are with the raiders
November 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Raider Dell Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Dude
What’s wrong with the USC defense?
Dude Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Dell,
Is this a SC blog?? Whats wrong with the Raider D??
Dude Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Dell,
Yep, thats what I thought. U aint got sheet as usual.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I figured you would throw out that childish comment, so I hung arouns just hoping you would.
Let’s look at the time line. You were asked about that terrible USC defense at 9:28 and I have had no response yet.
Yep, thats what I thought. U aint got sheet as usual.
Later Dude , your so easy to play with!!!
November 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
16,
Didnt know SC was playn bad but hey,,,,good for you.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Dude,
What Lies?
That spew about Sean Payton was stright truth.
The quote from Bart Scott was sarcasm, and if you paid attention to his post game presser about the Dolphins you might have found it funny. Dangalang.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
If they were terrible I would respond.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Dude my squad is LSU. You wanna talk some NCAA?
Even Joe McKnight was scared of the physical cats down here so he left for Univ of Soft Charmin.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Raider Dell, thanks for being a voice of reason.
Dude, what do you say we put the shape shifter on ignore? I would plead with all of you who disagree with his views on Gruden to ignore him, too. It’s your choice. But what good does it do to give him the time of day if he’s just going to be flat out nasty to anyone who slightly disagrees with his point of view that Gruden pure evil? How about we take away the one thing that’s most valuable to him? Our attention. Let him just yammer on about how bad Gruden was, but let him do it without a single ear, hearing out his pleas. We’ve already thoroughly debunked every criticism he has of Gruden regarding what Jerry’s discussed. Let him talk to himself.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Jerry Mac??
Little disappointed. Well..maybe you just decided to not go into detail.
You left out some things that were huge.
Yes, Chuckie was expecting control, and a big raise, and yes Al held it back.
But the way he did it, and the comments he made is why Chuckie left.
While many/most feel Al did this because he didn’t appreciate Chucky not only standing up to him, but hated the fact Gruden had become the face of the franchise. When you saw “RAIDERS” you no longer saw Al Davis’s face, it was Gruden. No longer was Al the hot topic, but it was Chucky, and his scowl, his doll, his fiery actions. No longer were camera’s following Al. Now they had a camera trained on Gruden throughout the game, just so not to miss a “chucky” moment….
…but was the comments from Al that really stirred up Chucky, and then their was no return.
(Raiders had started out strong for the year, but faded and had a string of losses at the end)
Was a comment from Al, after being grilled on ‘why no extensions have been signed with your head coach” where Al stated, to the effect: “Was all that distraction with Notre Dame offering Gruden the head coaching job that was the reason the team end the season poorly”..and that REALLY PISSED OFF Gruden.
(Raiders had something like a 8-2 record to start the year, but then lost 4 of the next 6. Lost the last three games by a total of 10 or 11 pts, which took away home field advantage through out the playoffs, which, of course, led to the loss in NE.)
Instead of rewarding Gruden for getting as far as they did, Al instead blamed him for not getting to the SB.
Was shortly there after that Gruden’s agent, when asked ‘Is there any way Gruden gets the money he wants, and sticks around?”..where his agent replied “There isn’t enough money for him to stay in Oakland”
TB never even came into the equation until after all of the above happened.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Powerful stuff. Just wanted it to be repeated, let it echo:
Gruden loved coaching the Raiders. Loved the fans, the tradition. He was proud of having taken the mess he inherited from Joe Bugel and making it special again. He used to tell Rich Gannon, “If we can turn this place around and win a championship here, it will be our legacy.”
November 6th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
While I agre with ,ost of what’s statd here concerning Al and Gruden I’m not sure I agre with all. Gruden’s mother was very sick which is omitted here. The Tampa job came availabe and he wanted it for those reasons. The story about the money being less and contol taken back is up to the reader to accept or reject. It’s the first time I ever heard it.
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That’s because you chase parked cars.
Accept or reject? lol..what? Only AFTER Al’s comments did Gruden make it clear to the NFL that he wasn’t coming back, and that’s when TB started sniffing.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Hey!! all you Gruden lovers get out and take Gruden with you. If he’s such a great coach he’ll get a job somewhere soon and you can all take yo’ ass’s over there. how ’bout that??
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lol…talk about “crash and burn”??
I dare you to read that, out loud, and not immediately feel “14, and hoping puberty arrives soon”.
How could you not? It screams ‘I’m a stupid kid”
November 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
# Dark Forces Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
If Davis can shell out over 100 million in guaranteed contract to useless garbage like Jabustus, McFalldown, Darius Heward Bust and Yvonne Walker than whats 5 million a year for Gruden?
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QUESTION OF THE YEAR.
What is it with Al and just hating putting out the money for HC’s? Not sure what Cable is getting but it’s rumored to be the lowest in the league.
When Cable took over after week 4 last year?
HE DIDN’T EVEN GET A TOKEN RAISE..AND he was both HC and Oline coach. The guy is doing two jobs, including the HEAD COACHING job, and Al doesn’t bump him up? Al’s excuse? “Let’s see what he does first.”
I think part of the reason is Al still thinks he makes most of the HC decisions, so why pay someone else more..which makes Al REALLY whacked.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Richochet, think priest would be this critical of Gruden if Al hired him again?
November 6th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Al pays Cable with Raider Image gift cards. He lives on the frosted Jano-cookies they have at the check out counter.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
All excellent points Jerry, and you’re probably right.
But 7 seasons of double-digit losses (which is what we’re looking at absent an improbable 5-3 second half of the season) can change a lot of things.
First of all, Gruden was never a real possibility until now. Al had his mind made up at the end of last season to give Cable a shot at the head coaching position. Every year before that the Bucs had Gruden locked up. Now Gruden is a free agent and Cable would have to perform some miracles to keep this job in 2010.
AS FOR GRUDEN TAKING THE JOB: Every time I hear Gruden discuss the Raiders on TV he has been absolutely respectful. There have been times where he could have taken a shot and probably should have been more critical, but wasn’t. That strikes me as a guy interested in keeping the Oakland door open. Don’t ignore the fact that this guy doesn’t mind a challenge nor is he averse to getting some attention. There would be no bigger media buzz surrounding Gruden next year than if he returns to Oakland to finish what he started. He’ll want to get paid some and have some control over the roster for sure. Which brings me to …
AS FOR DAVIS HIRING GRUDEN: Davis doesn’t typically pay his coaches a ton. But he also isn’t shy about breaking the bank to get players he likes in here. That hasn’t worked out so well in recent years when you look at Javon Walker, D-Hall, Gibril Wilson, DHB, JaMarcus and others. But it has worked with proven Raiders like Nnamdi and Lechler. If Al considers Gruden a proven Raider he may just change course and write the big check for a head coach this time. I think the biggest stumbling block for Al would be the fact that if things get turned around under Gruden, the coach may get all the credit while the owner’s contributions get minimized. Any success in that scenario would be bittersweet for Al. But Al can always hang his hat on the fact that he “discovered” Gruden, making him the youngest head coach in the NFL at the time. Therefore, he deserves some credit for Gruden’s successes past, present and future. And I do think that a 7th year of futility could be enough for Al to relinquish part of the massive control he has over this team. He’d still theoretically have control over the draft and free agency and no doubt have input on the roster and coaching hires, though Gruden would have final say over the latter two. But that would still probably be more control over football operations than any other owner in the league has. So he would deserve a large share of credit (or blame) for the team’s fortunes under Gruden as well.
In the end, I could see interest on both sides. It could come down to negotiations again where Gruden will have to be willing to allow Al to maintain final say over things like the draft and free agency. And Al will have to be willing to part with some control as well. And Gruden will have to realize that he can’t push for too much in the negotiations because I think Al will be willing to go another route if he feels he’s being pushed too far.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I can see Gruden swallowing some pride, especially if he gets no coaching offers after the season ends, and jobs become open, where he would come back to the Raiders.
Not sure about Al, though.
With Shell Al had a puppet who did Al’s exact bidding, so was easy for Al to state “that was a mistake letting Shell go the first time” but now Al is older and more obstinate, and he’s got a whole slate full of “boy, I sure blew that one”.
He’s desperate that JR pans out.
That McFumble pans out.
That Bey pans out.
That Mitchell pans out.
That Cable isn’t another blight….not to mention he still is stinging from his $270 Mil spendfest on lousy to marginal players…
Don’t recall Al EVER “forgiving and forgetting’..do you?
Maybe he has..but can’t recall who, or when.
When Gruden left there was serious bad blood..and when you crap on Al, he doesn’t forget..he wants revenge.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
you guy’s are dreaming i can understand the whole hoopla. but this is way off course and a fans dream. Maybe it’s hat yu guy’s buy into this mauchady much that no coaches will come here. Both way off base.
You’re listening to some wishful fans and the media, Al Davis is looking for something else. Not what he had that didn’t work. If you take Big Al OUT of the equation you’d have some probability but with him here this will never happen.
You guy’s buy into this no coach will come here crap but you just don’t know the truth. There are several coaches that will come here and the list is growing. These are once in a lifetime jobs great coaches that are sure of themselves RARELY turn them down. Look at Steve Spagnolo taken that bottom feeder position and Schwarts at Detroit. These are plum jobs there are only 32 in the entire world.
And there ar least 10 possible coaches for each and every team. There’s 5 coaches right here right now that would take this job in a heartbeat. Just for starters.
I can tell without a single solitary doubt Gruden would be choice #20 if anything for Mr Davis that’s how far away this is and that’s being generous. Big Al is not in the least bit interested in Gruden……….period
Also if I were a betting man if you could make the allegations about Cable disappear he would prefer Cable over a lot of the coaches that are out there. Cable has a long way to go to get to where he’s going to be he’s learning fast but still a long way to go.
Chris if you really knew Mr Davis this notion about his coach getting all the credit instead of him and his being jealous of that. That is not a fact that is a position held by the media who hate Mr Davis. He loved Gruden getting credit but not at the EXPENSE of the team. John Madden is one of Mr Davis’s best friends and Madden is wildly famous. Truth be told you rarely hear from Mr Davis all through the Gruden tenure. Nobody ever heard from him. Same thing now he rarely if ever makes an appearance and people still perpetuate this myth. Mr Davis wants to win………period Helll you’d hardly know he was the owner if the media wasn’t so freaking obsessed with him.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:06 am
That’s true, Richochet. First thing Gruden would do is basically cut everyone Al drafted in the past 5 years. If Al hired Gruden, I have to tell you, even better than us having a real coach again would be watching all of these Gruden haters flip flop and start shilling for him. Worth the price of admission alone.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Davis IS going to have to do something, probably not Gruden, but like bringing in someone with GENUINE credibility AND AUTHORITY. His act will not fly anymore
November 7th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Priest,
I have yet to hear you offer a solution to the mess that we are in. You continue to support “Mr. Davis” (does he sign your paycheck or something?), and you continue to bash anyone with an opinion that differs from yours. All of us are trying to figure out ways to get better, and Gruden happens to be the topic if this forum. None of us are pleased with the product on the field or with how operations are being run in the organization. I think we are all in agreement that this team needs help (you ‘young and talented argument’ is ludicrous), so why don’t you offer us some logical solutions if you are so well informed. The bottom line is that anyone in this forum is obviously an extremely loyal raiders fan. An unloyal fan would have stopped posting in these blogs after our first 50 losses since 2002. We are all die hard fans, all fans for life and none of us are jumping ship, so instead of making personal attacks why don’t you give us your plan for making this team better and for pulling us out of the mess that we find ourselves in.
Or, if you are so ignorant, so uneducated, so dumb, so as to think that the state the team is in currently is acceptable, then I feel bad for you and I hope you enjoy your “hamburger stand in front of your house”.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:24 am
Bwk, wait until Al hires Gruden. Priest will be his biggest fan. When we start criticizing Gruden (most likely for caving into Al here and there), Priest will be the first one throwing Gruden’s handsome career record in our face, with SB victory to boot, telling us we have no right to criticize the man until we’ve hoisted that Lombardi trophy. Gruden’s biggest shill the minute he gets hired: PriestTJ.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Jerry, very good read.
I remember when Gruden was our coach, he was hands down my favorite Raider. More so than Timmy, CWood, Gannon, or Garner. Chucky was THE MAN in Oakland, straight up. Sure his conservativeness and predictability in play calling frustrated the heck out of me, but hey…WE WON & the players really played hard for him. I still think the Jano pick in the 1st round was what put Gruden over the edge, while money had a lot to do with it, too. When we traded him, I was truly heart-broken. Unfortunately, it made TONS of sense at the time with the picks and the money, as well as the inevitability that he was going to leave after his contact was up anyways. Davis wanted to take the credit for building that team, but in hindsight, it was ALL Gruden. Hey, no one ever thought Davis would rehire Art Shell, and it happened. If Al can suck it up, and dish out the appropriate cash and power, I think Gruden would love coming back to Oakland – just as much as the fans.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Priest,
Are you on the Raiders payroll? We ought to call you John Herrera because your blind faith is sickening and I actually feel bad for you. You’re so unbelievably naive! It’s 3:30 where I’m at, I’m drunk and just got home. I pull up this forum only to find senseless idiots like yourself posting as if you have inside information. You’re pathetic. You are loyal to Al Davis, not the shield on the helmet. You’re loyal to his white jump suit, not to the silver and black uniforms. You’re loyal to the guy who signs the paychecks, not to the guys who have to actually perform on the field.
You’re horrendous and as a Raider fan I’m embarrassed to have you on board. You’re loyalty to the Raiders extends as far as the guy sitting in the owners booth and thats it. You make me sick because you buy into the propaganda that this team tries to feed us. You buy into the BS “plan” that this team tries to ram down our throats. You buy it, hook, line and sinker. You are the least objective, least education person in this forum, you are blind, and I really feel bad for you because you’re only embarrassing yourself. You’re blind to reality. You’re personal attacks on people in this forum with sound, logical ideas and opinions only further enhances your ignorance and your stupidity. Sorry Priest, you’re loyal to Al, not the Raiders. Get over yourself, get over Al Davis. He doesn’t have it anymore, and since you are him, neither do you.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:37 am
Blacked Out the Remainder of the Season, He’ll be forced to surrender. His act’s not flying anymore.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:37 am
MR,
You’re exactly right. This priest guys is a joke, just like this organization for the last 6 years. Priest is absolutely senseless and is apparently not living in reality. He lives within the world of Otto, Plunkett, Papa and Jeanette Thompson (that idiot who does the online pieces). He lives in the world where Al is God and where everything he says is sacred, and is law. Priest is living in the past. Times have changed. The leagues has changed. But Al Davis and the Raiders have not. Priest won’t change until Al does, and by the looks of it, Priest and Al will be singing the same tune for some time. And that tune is losing, and being content while doing so.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Remember this one. Priesttj telling us us how lucky we were to have Arman Shields? Shilling for Al Davis’ genius. too funny.
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Blackholepriest Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
His father says he’ll play next game. the kid is chomping at the bit. His father and I talked a lot about Davis and the Raiders.
He also said that Tampa was courting (Arman) Shields as if he was Beyonce’. they were sure he would be there when they picked in the 5th. He meantioned 2 other teams as well but I can’t recall because we talked so long.
We kind of hit it off real cool, going to go to games together. So we’ll see.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Bwk223, you seem like and sound like someone that can comprehend this. so I’ll spend some time entertaining your question.
Listen closely, I hate losing ….no I abhor losing and detest our present situation. Hopefully what I’ve said so far makes sense. So I’ll continue. Anyone with half a brain wants this to get better I don’t know how long you’ve followed this but I’ve been here for over 40 years so for you to insenuate that I think this mess is fine shows you don’t know squat about me.
I have advocated for years that we get someone like Ron Wolfe to help Mr Davis. Someone That he trust and he wants that as well. I know this for a fact. What I will tell you now is what I know for sure it’s not through the media or a fan or anyone else. It’s from Mr Davis’s mouth. He has someone local he wants to work with. He already has certain indiviuals in the organization that he trust. I wont mention names. He really like the Lombardi/Allen mix but they just would co-exist power struggles. I used to converse with someone in here who hasn’t posted in 3 years who knows of which I speak.
Mr Davis wants to step aside but he hasn’t put in place what he feels he needs to in order to step back. We have a lot of very young talent IMO that has to grow up. If we cannot keep Cable which is the best option IMO we have to get someone that he can trust. Because he’s been burned when Gruden hired on he KNEW what the situation was and agreed to it and then he changed the same with Kiffin. They thought once they got the job that they could force him to change. They were wrong. Cable has no such designs. He just wants to coach the team…………period
This allows harmony until Mr Davis feels that Cable can handle more control. Not the other way around. And that is the key to this working. Harbaugh and Fassell and several others understand this. We have a very good scouting Dept. Trust me I know many of the scouts for the 49ers and many others around the league. And we have a very good coaching staff but we have a very young team that’s growing as they develope you will see an improved product. Capable of winning and winning big. I talk to players all the time and with a phone call I can just about talk to most peple in the organization. These players are happy to be here they kjust want to start winning and that wwill happen, when I don’t know. But contrary to popular opinion I never thought it would be this year…. NEVER!!
This year is for growth and growth only. We neeed to add several pieces and if we can get them we can be very competitive next year. As far as Cable is concerned we’ll see if we still have him, if not I hope like hell we can get Harbaugh to come here.
Basically what Mr Davis does is run the draft and major personnel decisions all the other stuff that people believe is more urban legend than fact.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:59 am
Boy! such hostility Bwk223, why don’t we just sleep it off. Whew!! talk about liquored up.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:03 am
KK where in that post am I shilling for Al Davis. You get more and mroe over the top what are you drunk too? That post is a conversation between me and a players father I just shared what HE told me?
How does Al Davis fit into that?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:04 am
If the Raider Organization were so good. They wouldn’t be the laughingstock of the NFL for so long, no?
You can’t you comprehend that?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Priest
Are you the Night Watchman over there?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:07 am
KK, sleep it off man, who said it’s so good except YOU saying that I said it?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:10 am
I don’t know if Gruden is the solution. I do think someone needs to come in that is familiar with how things are run here. And I think it needs to be someone that is able to instill the type of work-ethic and determination that Gruden did put in.
I do remember hearing about what Jerry is writing about (with the contract and having different provisions in it than Gruden thought was agreed). I don’t know if it is true or not, but back then I do remember hearing about it and do remember hearing that it ‘put him off’ to resigning. Could have just been bogus, but it did come up earlier as well, from a different source as well.
The truth is that on offense we have a VERY YOUNG team. 2 rookie and 2 second year WRs. A 3rd year Left Tackle, 3rd or 4th year Center. 3rd year QB. 2 2nd year RBs (I consider Bush 2nd year as the 1st year he was on injured reserve and never stepped foot on the field). So the only Vets are Miller (what 4th year?), Gallery (5th year?) and the old timers on the right hand side of the O-Line. So out of all our starters on offense only 3 are more than 4 years in the league.
And, I think this is the area we need more experienced coaching in. I think it’s silly for Cable to not have an O’Coordinator. A VERY unexperienced WR coach (which incidentally was a hold-over not someone new Cable brought in). Russel has 2 VERY EXPERIENCED people working with him….but from what I can tell he’s not necessarily putting in the time/effort to really take it to heart.
Notice one other thing. When the Defense got Ellis & Seymore, I think their attitude as a unit changed. It’s not ALWAYS kept in, but you can see it in their general demeanor and I think that unit has a lot of potential.
I don’t see that on offense. I see them following Russell’s demeanor. “I ain’t doin’ nothing wrong…I’m goin’ great” You see it in DHB. You see it in others. Someone’s gotta step up and breathe fire into that unit.
Coach definitely has some culpibility, but not full. If Cable stays he needs to work out offensively what to do to build that up. I believe Defense is REALLY CLOSE and if allowed to do their thing and with a halfway-descent offense and one or two small changes can become dominant.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Also why is everyone so obsessed with me and this organization. There are 32 teams go root for another team. It’s a free world.
I’ll stay here untill we get better and start winning again. Goodbye all the 49ers are right across the bridge, why torture yourelf?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:07 am
KK, sleep it off man, who said it’s so good except YOU saying that I said it?
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Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Trust me I know many of the scouts for the 49ers and many others around the league. And we have a very good coaching staff but we have a very young team that’s growing as they develope you will see an improved product.
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November 7th, 2009 at 1:14 am
Priesttj
You’re awfully condescending for a person who’s been so consistently wrong, PUBLICLY.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:16 am
A GM has 6 Winning seasons in 20 years?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Good substantive post #140 at least somebody has something to say who’s not in a drunken stuper. And it’s football related instead of great Gruden please come and save us……..please!!
Don’t want to see Gruden and don’t think he is the answer.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:18 am
Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Also why is everyone so obsessed with me and this organization. There are 32 teams go root for another team. It’s a free world.
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Don’t the Raiders lead the League in Blackouts? And you’re telling fans to go away????????????
That’s another stupid thing about Al Davis.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:20 am
sure. give jerry`s traitor a z z a writing awad for finally writing a decent article/ sports illustrated writers pown jerry every month. he would never see da light of day if he wrote for espn magazine. jerry u suck!! i despise non raider fan / raider reporters like u
November 7th, 2009 at 1:22 am
KK what have YOU been right about name something that you predicted that turned out right. And who’s more condescending than YOU!!
I don’t agreee with you guy’s that’s my right!! wether you like it or not so go sleep it off.
We’re in the dumper but I’ll stay with the people I wish to stay with and fight out way out of it. So go away until Al is dead. Goodbye!!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am
and to all u turncoats who want gruden back, i scoff at you. SCOFF AT YOU I SAY! my stomach hurt so bad during that super bowl when gruden was jumpin up and down yellin beat em down!! whip em. ! yeah! its like i saw my mother givin my high school bully head,
i could never forgive gruden. i dont get u bootleg raider fans. 
would u suspect fans have osama bin laden as yur american president if he could eliminate the national debt , give everyone free healthcare, and legalize marijuana ? >??????
hmm. on second thought
November 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am
KK, if you despise the situation so bad why not leave? less stress right?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:25 am
A GM with 6 winning seasons in 20 years?
And you think he’s going to turn the organization around?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Priest – I’m also not saying that Gruden wouldn’t be a good thing.
But I do generally agree with what you’re saying and what other people are saying. I think we’re fighting over symantics.
Everyone agrees we need someone to be a GM type person who can be a buffer between Mr. Davis and the Coach and give some input and direct the player personnel.
Everyone agrees that we need a coach who can choose his 53 man roster and his coaches. And who at least can create the fire and work-ethic and tough mentality to create a championship team.
Gruden was great here. His input and working relationship with Mr. Davis worked to the degree that Mr. Davis and him did work together. I’m sure that Gannon was Gruden’s idea. But it was able to be ’sold’ do Mr. Davis. That he was good at that it think with Allen here. As the post said he’d take film clips and SHOW why he was doing something if there was a contradiction in views between him and Mr. Davis.
Is he the solution? It’s true that he lost his players in Tampa (at least from what the players spoke out after he was fired). He was very up and down in Tampa. He was quite conservative on offense and with our personnel now maybe wouldn’t be the best fit unless he adjusted to the personnel we have now (which maybe he could do).
I’m not saying that I know everything or that I’m the only person with the right opinion. I think priest wants us to win. He things we need to get a GM in here just like everyone else. He says we have good scouts – I don’t have enough data to doubt him. Maybe the decision making now (if it’s Mr. Davis) is off now and he hasn’t been able to put in the film study time he used to or whatever so is ‘loosing touch’. I don’t know.
So, what do you think would be best?
I think:
1. That we hire a GM that can be another person for Davis to lean on for personnel decisions and cap management.
2. We either hire a new coach or get a lot of new Offensive coaches.
3. That we bring in competition from Veterans on the QB and WR spots just like we do to every other position and let the player who give us the best chance to win play. Not let anyone be unaccountable without competition.
4. Determine the biggest problem to stopping the run whether it’s LB or DT and get that fixed.
That’s my humble uninformed opinion.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am
KK, if you despise the situation so bad why not leave? less stress right?
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That’s my business AND beside the point.
A GM with 6 winning seasons in 20 years. Leads the league in Blackouts, and you’re telling fans to go away?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Gannon was not Grusen’s idea you are 100% wrong on that. But at least you tried. Gruden couldn’t pick a QB if the right one came up and slapped him.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am
but seriously.. have u blog addicts no shame? gruden turned his back on us. to heck with him. hire marc trestman and sum energetic coaches that are ready to rock. . play sum gad d a m n FOOTBALL. DRAFT TOUGH GUYS… not p u z z i es like stanfod routt , michael huff & jlh. u nkow why new england wins? they stick to their formula/ go get smart tough football players . dugh.
this is football not ice skating . we need killers that can read a playbook .
November 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Who’s idea was it then Priest?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:30 am
It goes against any QB I’ve seen in here in the past 15 years.
A mobile QB with a less-than-stellar arm.
Relies on his smarts and worth-ethic.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:30 am
It’s not beside the point it is the point you are unhappy with the way thing are done here…right?
Yet you come in here everyday whinning and crying about the same thing. What for? just move on!!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Sounds a whole lot like Jeff George, Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Walter.
All had big arms, less-than-average work-ethic (or at least smarts)
November 7th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Raiderzmaverick Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:25 am
He says we have good scouts – I don’t have enough data to doubt him.
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No? Darrius Heyward Bey?
6 winning seasons in 20 years, what’s the problem?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:31 am
When’s the last time the Raiders developed a Quarterback?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Priesttj
I’m not leaving. We’ve got Al Davis on the ropes!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:34 am
I told you in my earlier post that Bruce Allen brought Gannon to Gruden even Gruden admitted as much in his own book. If you asked me Davis had Bruce take it to Gruden and sell it to him. Gruden was doing the same thing here he did in Tampa he was bringing in medipcre QB’s trying to make lemonade out of eggs. he can’t select talent he proved that very clearly when he was here.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:34 am
6 winning seasons in 20 years
Haven’t developed a QB in 40 years.
And We Have A Good Scouting Dept & Coaching?
Then what’s the problem?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:34 am
# priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Gannon was not Grusen’s idea you are 100% wrong on that. But at least you tried. Gruden couldn’t pick a QB if the right one came up and slapped him.
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So….why the sudden TOTAL 180% change in type of QB brought in if it had nothing to do with Gruden/Allen? Why before and since then have there been Jeff George, Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Walter who all fit the EXACT SAME MOLD. Big arm. Low accuracy. Don’t have to be the brightest.
Totally different than say Gannon (who was more like Brees, Manning etc.) I remember the knock on Manning when and why Leaf was drafted ahead of him was he lacked the (arm strength). He was the better technician, was smarter and more “NFL Ready” but Leaf had the “more up-side”. I think our QBs are chosen on their arm strength not their football intelligence or accuracy and that’s a mistake
November 7th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Okay – fine. Allen chose him. I don’t believe that was a Davis pick. It goes against everything before and after. I do see certain ‘patterns’ develop no matter who the coach is here in certain areas. It’s VERY visible in QB.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Priest – I do think you’re defending Davis a little too much.
I do believe that Davis has lost touch to a certain degree – maybe if only because he can not put in the same time and research he used to be able to. He probably still is sharp as a tack, but you can only evaulate what you know. So he has a basic thing he looks for and maybe now isn’t able to research as much as he used to and with not much to lean on or bounce ideas off ot gets stuck with some bad decisions.
But there does appear to be stereotypes that get chosen which aren’t always smart.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Trust me I know many of the scouts for the 49ers and many others around the league. And we have a very good coaching staff but we have a very young team that’s growing as they develope you will see an improved product.
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6 winning seasons in 20 years.
Haven’t Developed a QB in 40 years.
Then what’s the problem?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:41 am
eric barton ? sam adams ? we dun fell off .. bruce allen had to be the man .
November 7th, 2009 at 1:41 am
Priesttj
I don’t understand, if Al Davis knows so much about winning in today’s NFL, why isn’t he doing it?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Duh! we only drafted two of those guy’s and Andrew Walter is everything Russell isn’t. Walter arm is a little better than average. Marinovich very average arm Kenny Stabler very average arm Gannon Very average arm. There just as many with average arms as there is with strong arms. That we drafted
But of course the lot of you believe he nly drafts strng arm QB’s. He even wanted Matt Leinert, how strong is his arm?
Now you know why I’m so critical of you guy’s all you do is reiterate whatever the media feeds you. Like mindless sheep.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Now you know why I’m so critical of you guy’s all you do is reiterate whatever the media feeds you. Like mindless sheep.
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6 Winning seasons in 20 years!
The numbers don’t lie. The scoreboard is final, dude.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:46 am
KK, that (?) highlights how ignorant you are of what it takes to win. It deserves no answer. Just leave it go for those that know.
Move on KK, nothing to see here!!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:47 am
The Number of Blackouts and the Raider’s record, says the public and Media is right.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:48 am
priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Duh! we only drafted two of those guy’s and Andrew Walter is everything Russell isn’t. Walter arm is a little better than average.
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Yeah, but these are the guys we chose. Someone chose those guys. And I remember when Walter was drafted it was viewed like he was a steal. I read all the scouting reviews (from before it was known the Raiders would draft him) and it was a lot talking about his arm-strength and deep-ball was his plus point.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:48 am
every q.b. fits well in certain systems. with scertain recievers . under certain coaches. maybe a guy like brady quinn or billy volek would fit here.. hmm billy volek . nobody ever brings him up ./ im sure hed like get from behind rivers.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:46 am
KK, that (?) highlights how ignorant you are of what it takes to win.
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But Priest, that’s what I’m saying. If Al Davis knows so much about winning, why isn’t he doing it?
6 winning seasons since 1989? C’mon man. Answer that.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:52 am
volek. see dats da type dude bruce allen would find a way to get in here. u see there are always players. always answers. i mean raiders coulda signed vonnie holliday as a rotate end.dt . but noooo let broncos scoop em up .
November 7th, 2009 at 1:59 am
How could anybody say Al Davis knows what he’s doing when he changes Coaches every 25 games?
It don’t make sense.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:04 am
OK Priest Im out.
You can propagate now without me checking the facts.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:05 am
Priest…this year when Walter was a F/A this was what was written… “Walter is a big, strong-armed passer who has nine career starts with eight of them coming in 2006.”
This was his 2005 Draft review (BEFORE HE WAS CHOSEN SO THERE WAS NO BIAS TOWARDS THE RAIDERS)
ANALYSIS: A big, strong quarterback with excellent physical skills, Walter is a prototypical drop-back passer for the next level. Must be more consistent with his reads and decision making if he’s to ever be a starter at the next level.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:07 am
see a pattern??? Strong-armed QB who needs to improve his reads and decision making….
Sound at all like Russel, Jeff George, Aaron Brooks etc…???
Boy, we don’t keep doing the same stupid thing over and over again do we?
November 7th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Morning NATION!!!
the more things change…the more they stay the same
November 7th, 2009 at 5:01 am
o/~ friday night, a great night for football o/~
November 7th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Priest, any chance Al is thinking about Denny Green as a GM? He’s “local” and friends with Al.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:09 am
If Al Davis can pay Javon walker 4.5 million dollars to set the bench, he certainly can play Gruden 5.5 million to coach the Raiders. I think Gruden would come back if the offers was right along with Allen.
Gruden has said in the past, once a Raiders always a Raider.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:26 am
morning all.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:28 am
It’s not how much will it cost to get Gruden,it’s how much control would Davis give him.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Another beautifull Saturday Neilb…whatcha doing 2day on the other side of the pond???
November 7th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Already been out with the dog this morning…..just waiting till 3 o’clock then I’ll try to catch a game on the internet.
Very cold but sunny over here.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:32 am
….and you ?
November 7th, 2009 at 6:33 am
I already been out with my dog 2 chilly and sunny here but expected 2 go up to 75 or so
November 7th, 2009 at 6:34 am
75 !!?? Heatwave !!
Doubt we got that in the summer !!
November 7th, 2009 at 6:36 am
WOW no wonder you wanna retire around the Yacuipa area…you might melt tho lol
November 7th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Been looking at Yacuipa on Wikipedia…..looks like a really nice place to live.
Then it mentioned earthquakes……hmmm…….
November 7th, 2009 at 6:47 am
well earthquakes are part of it and ya never know.They been predicting the BIG ONE 4 awhile now.Nevada and AZ. aint 2 bad geographically speaking
November 7th, 2009 at 6:52 am
“For every 100 females age 18 and over, there are 88.4 males.”I like those odds…..could be worth the risk of an earthquake.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:53 am
yep you can have an earthquake every night in your bedroom!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Very Very HOT july through September
November 7th, 2009 at 6:54 am
LOL !!!
November 7th, 2009 at 6:57 am
To be honest I don’t mind the cold,in fact,I enjoy it.I’m not that “hot” on the summer.The only good word I’ve got for summer is……bikini.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Off to watch some football.
Have a great Saturday 4eva.
Later…
November 7th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Most of the year thats all most girls wear there or a bikinl top and cut-offs =)
November 7th, 2009 at 7:04 am
U2 Neilb!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Good morning nation!!
4eva, check out the link, Vegas is cutting edge, lol!!
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/21548187/detail.html
November 7th, 2009 at 7:28 am
LOL at Michael Silver’s quote on Yahoo: ” If Davis fires Cable, the first candidate interviewed by the owner will be former Oakland tight end Jeremy Brigham, who’s currently doing a bang-up job for a local youth team”
November 7th, 2009 at 7:54 am
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November 7th, 2009 at 8:39 am
WOW Vegas every town need 1 of those.Got lost in pics of the San Gabriels where I used 2 live…I’m back
November 7th, 2009 at 8:45 am
The StripMobile!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 8:48 am
When I was a kid, I dreamed of having a BatMobile, but now I’m an adult, and I want the StripMobile!!
Fire Cable, and bring the StripMobile to San Diego!
November 7th, 2009 at 8:49 am
al Davis needs to realize that his way doesnt work anymore. Gruden and Allen need to comeback and resurrect this dead franchise…al davis pays his players what they want sometimes in the $7-$8+ range…why not pay gruden that much with control of the 53man roster and coaching staff decisions?? COME ON AL…YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO WIN 2 MORE SUPERBOWLS BEFORE YOU DIED…NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO WIN AT LEAST 2 MORE….
November 7th, 2009 at 9:36 am
miketyson Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 8:49 am
al Davis needs to realize that his way doesnt work anymore.
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sign the petition to get a GM brought in.
http://messagetoal.com
November 7th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Wow – check this out!
http://www.theraiderzone.com/
In here they have a year by year record and our Offensive & Defensive standings.
From my count out of all of our years with winning records from 1960 till right now, only 4 of those years did we have a higher defensive standing than offensive.
Meaning our when we have winning seasons our offense is the stronger unit.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
For anybody looking for a reason why the franchise is in its current state, Jerry puts it in black and white for you:
When Gruden and LaMonte met at a restaurant not far from the club facility and opened the envelope containing the contract, the provisions regarding control of the 53-man roster and picking the coaches had been removed. Much of the money had been pushed to the last season.
So Uncle Al reneged at the last minute. This guy brought the franchise back from oblivion and was treated in this manner. Al f*kd his own legacy with this move. Brilliant!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:34 am
I just that saw that Bobby Hebert has a kid that plays on the LSU O-line. He named his kid T-Bob.
T-Bob?? Seriously, that has to take the cake!!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Fire Cable Now, prompt PH to IC, hire a HC with Exp, keep PH as our OC, and hire Del Rio as our DC.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:38 am
*promote
November 7th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Del Rio is not a HC IMO, but he is a great DC.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Fassell and Losman in 2010 Raider O!!
I watch them for the Las Vegas Loco’s, and if they win the UFL championship, some NFL team will probably bring them. It would be a huge upgrade, at both positions, for us.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I want Del Rio as DC or even HC, but we hire an OC and give him complete control of the Offense & play calling. Al can keep doing his thing.
That can work! It did with John G.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Vegas,
Fassel can be that OC I’m talking about. Complete control of the offense and Play calling, and have Del Rio as the DC, and give one of them the title HC.
Bring Losman to compete with JR!!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I was down on Losman when he first came out here, he still seems like kind of a jerk, but I think he would make a good Raider.
And Jamarcus compared to Losman is no comparision. We don’t have to teach Losman the game of NFL football.
Next week is a big, big week for Jamarcus. On paper, this should be one of Jamarcus’ best weeks. Coming off a bye, at home, against a bad team, second time playing the team, Chaz and Gallery back, etc, etc.
If we don’t win, and he doesn’t play well, the tone will be set for the rest of the season. If we lose against the Chiefs, even 4-12 looks difficult. A win and we can still watch competitive football and maybe Russell will progress.
A stinker, and we will have to bring in a QB this off-season, and maybe the end of the season (Bruce, Frye).
Enjoy your weekend Nation!!
November 7th, 2009 at 11:28 am
JaMarcus’s lunch:
J.R.: I’ll have 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1xP-aESTEk&feature=channel
November 7th, 2009 at 11:31 am
i do sgree JR needs to be benched and a vet brought in. but JR is the future and it will help him later like 3 yrs down the road.
November 7th, 2009 at 11:41 am
I READ an ESPN INSIDER that Brian Billick might be interested in the Raiders HC job next year…but even with him at HC, will AL DAVIS give him enuff control to lead them to Excellence? Al Davis doesnt believe in his own “commitment to excellence” any more…that doesnt consists of throwing a hail mary every play
November 7th, 2009 at 11:42 am
priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Also why is everyone so obsessed with me and this organization. There are 32 teams go root for another team. It’s a free world.
………….
It is a free world, and we choose to stay here and make fun of you and Al Davis, because it’s just fun. Sorry.
November 7th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Just for your guys knowledge, Losman plays in a league that allows the QB to throw the ball on the ground without losing in a down. Anyways, the level of UFL competition is way below the NFL level, I think Vegas is watching too many UFL games and thinks Losmanis the answer, listen dude is dranker, parties crazy, has no work ethic, I suggest for those aSking for Losman, to do some research about the UFL rules which is a bit different than the NFL.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Jabust is the answer, but I would start Frye over Jabust right now not Losman. Next year, Bulger should be our starting QB, a veteran with accuracy not Losman inaccurate QB.
November 7th, 2009 at 11:53 am
“If you think all those things can happen, dream on.”
^^^^^^^
Keep the dream alive Jerry!!
If the lonney senile old man Al Davis really wants this team to win again….he will bring back both Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden and let them turn this piece of crap franchise around!!
November 7th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Even if a miracle happens and Gruden & Allen would come back they would have a big problem right off the bat. If Gruden controls the roster there is no way he would be stupid enough to keep JR. Gruden demands perfection from his QB & JR is only perfect at lunch & dinner. His brain is a bag of rocks so it would be impossible for him to understand Gruden’s offense. Al would have to admit he made a mistake & everyone knows Al never admits to any wrong doings. It’s nice to dream of Chuckie coming back, but it won’t happen. Nor will Billeck come here either. Until Jr. Hitler is dead we can expect more years of the same garbage & JR will go down in NFL history as the worst ever to start more than 25 games.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 9:36 am
miketyson Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 8:49 am
al Davis needs to realize that his way doesnt work anymore.
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sign the petition to get a GM brought in.
http://messagetoal.com
^^^^^^^SIGN THE PETITION IF YOU A REAL AND TRUE RAIDER FAN!
Moron Al Davis lapdogs….don’t bother! LMAO!
November 7th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
The German army wanted to kill Hitler, but that didn’t work. Wake up and face the facts. Al isn’t going anywhere. His parents both live to be 100+. He is a senile old goat who still thinks it’s 1973. Nothing is going to change. We will continue to see fat boy JR at QB for the next three years unless he gets hurt. Al won’t ever admit the JR is the dumbest pro football player in history. We will continue to get underqualified head coaches who are really just puppets. Attendance at games will get less & less, but there will still be all the idiots in the black hole dressed up like morons. My advice to all not give AL a dime of your hard earned money. Don’t go to games. Don’t buy gear. When someone finally gets fed up and pushes Al down a flight of stairs we can then have a party and celebrate, Al does not care one bit about Raider fans or anyone else for that matter. Wake up & just pray for the day that this dictator is DEAD. JUST DIE AL!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
As much as I hate it Jmac is right. Al is an old fool, Al needs to die soon.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Gruden coming back would be the best thing to happen to the Raiders since………well, since he left. We have spiraled downhill since the Superbowl where we got there using his system and gameplan.
Callahan’s inability to modify that game plan against Tampa is the single biggest reason we lost that Supoerbowl. That is why Gruden and the Tampa Bay Bucs knew our playbook inside and out.
Gruden’s retursn will immediately energize the entire Raider Nation and bring grit, determination, and hard work back to the Raiders.
The problem quite simply is Al Davis. He refuses to get out of his own way and let his coaches develop their team. He keeps doing the same thing week after week after week when it’s clearly not working. Sorry Priest, it’s the truth. Accept it.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Can’t win until Al Davis changes his ways or steps down.
Can’t have a coach that:
1. Doesn’t have the power to set the starting lineup
2. Doesn’t have the power to choose his coaches (and as an extension manage them)
3. Doesn’t have the power to adjust the scheme
4. Very little, if any input in the draft
5. Is underpaid
Can’t win. you will never find a good coach unless you luck out and find an undiscovered gem. Because anyone with a future in coaching would never take this job
Ridiculous
November 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
I just want the players to give effort. Stop getting lit up and losing by double digits
November 7th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Each week I hear the same tired arguments…
It’s Jamarcus’ fault on one end. No it’s DHB and Murphy’s fault on the other end. Bottom line is Jamarcus is NOT WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE IN HIS DEVELOPMENT AS A QB.
Now I understand the argument that you have to be patient and give him time to develop.
But then Al Davis goes and gives his inexperienced QB two rookie wide receivers and a patchwork O-Line. And yet we wonder why we suck and Jamarcus is the worst QB in the league.
Why is DHB starting over Walker? Week after week he contributes absolutely nothing but yet he keeps on starting. What has he done to earn his starting spot other than get a fat contract from Al Davis?
Why does Al continue to put together a patchwork offensive line when there were four outstanding offensive linemen he could have picked up in the draft?
So yes Jamarcus does suck royally, but so has Al Davis the past 6 years and he continues to be the single biggest reason for the Raiders demise. Straight up.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Wow, I am suprised how many Raider fans are agreeing with me, mistabrown, MR and others who been saying that AL is the reason we losing and until AL dies or realizes his mistakes we won’t win in this league. Finally fans are getting smart, check out the browns fans that planned not to show up to the game until the owner met the head guy big dog or Lion fans that demanded to fire Millen, or the bills fans demanding Wade Phillips to get fired I think, we as fans need to be on the same page, demand AL to relinquish his dictatorship control of this team.
I hope idiots like Priestj n Oaklenn Glenn would accept the reality that AL is the problems, wake up dumb minds.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
But then Al Davis goes and gives his inexperienced QB two rookie wide receivers and a patchwork O-Line. And yet we wonder why we suck and Jamarcus is the worst QB in the league
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Al Davis is doing too much and he’s not very good at it to begin with.
Starting two rookies at WR is crazy. Hell, drafting 2 receivers was crazy…let alone one in the 1st round
Not getting your 1st Round QB the best coaching from the start is crazy.
We have what we have here and its sad.
But hey, its still ok to watch Raider football on Sunday. Just hope they compete week in and week out.
Al Davis owns the team. Therefore he can do what he wants. Its unfortunate that he dioesn’t realize that he is the reason why this team doesn’t win. And won’t win anytime in the near or distant future.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Kush
AL is living in a vendetta world as he clearly stated he lived in NY streets fighting with the roughest toughest dudes. He wants to prove JR is a bonafida QB, DHB in his mind is the new Moss, he also thinks DMAC is the next Allen and hopes Bush can become Bo Jackson lol. It’s crazy, blame the players all u want, it’s the stupid AL who believes in them even though the whole world knows the system will make these players fail.
Well maybe not the whole world as we can see Oakdork n Priestj believes in AL system.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Just because you all want the rain to stop does it?
What you want and what will happen is two different things. If you all can’t understand that it’s not my fault. You’re pining for something that aint going to happen. You think if Gruden comes back we’ll win, and maybe we will……I don’t know. But I do know that it aint going to happen………..period
Now you can all whine and cry all you want but Gruden aint comin’ back SOOORRY!!
I’m going to say this for the last time We DON”T NEED GRUDEN TO WIN. Gruden needed us more than we needed him I would’ve much preferred we went with Bill Belichik instead but Gruden got the job. Yeah he lifted us for a few years but he had a perfect chance to get us to the SB and went conservative in Foxborough and we lost. We should’ve dominated NE but his gameplan was tooo conservative.
I’ve seen enough of Gruden but you guy’s can’t see past your own ignorance. So pine away for something that just aint going to happen and I’ll live in the real world………..period
Bunch of suckers!!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Good insight Jerry. A worth while article during this week.
so true Priest…Gruden is a great motivator, a fantastic image for the franchise. However, Gruden has proven he cannot draft. He won with Tampa’s defense. His lack of ability to develop a qb there lost his job. I can’t remember any of his first round draft pick there that has developed into a stud…
He would definitely excite the fans here. Nevertherless.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
# Raiders4eve Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Wow, I am suprised how many Raider fans are agreeing with me, mistabrown, MR and others who been saying that AL is the reason we losing and until AL dies or realizes his mistakes we won’t win in this league. Finally fans are getting smart, check out the browns fans that planned not to show up to the game until the owner met the head guy big dog or Lion fans that demanded to fire Millen, or the bills fans demanding Wade Phillips to get fired I think, we as fans need to be on the same page, demand AL to relinquish his dictatorship control of this team.
I hope idiots like Priestj n Oaklenn Glenn would accept the reality that AL is the problems, wake up dumb minds.
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Have bad news for ya.
First off priest and Oakdork are incapable of comprehending getting in out of the rain, much less admitting the geezer has lost it…but as far as fans affecting the outcome?
When you have a team with a PR dept? Sure..they’re aware of the bottom line, of what to say, of how to react to negative comments in order to keep the masses complacent.
But Al doesn’t believe in that. He honestly could give a flying rats ass about what you, I, or anyone thinks. He doesn’t care about winning for you, or anyone..just himself..and even then ONLY if it’s done the exact way he feels it should be done. The whole planet knows that if Al backs off, and let’s people do their jobs, the Raiders would never..AS IN EVER..gotten to this level. But that’s not his concern. He wants to win HIS WAY, or not at all.
In other words, he’s like Mike Martz..stubborn to a fault. Convinced “no, it will work…IT WILL..AND DAMNIT..I’M NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL I PROVE TO EVERYONE IT WILL WORK.”.
Problem is Al is old. Short term memory. VERY short term memory, as everyone can tell by his PC’s (I mean, who, EVER, has scheduled a BREAK IN A PC?? lol..that alone was classic). Each day he goes through what worked..except..he’s back in the 70’s. And no one dare tells him otherwise.
1981:
Reporter: “Raider fans are really upset that you’re taking the team down to LA, especially considering they’ve sold out each and every game, even during down years. Anything you want to say to them?”
Al Davis: “Doesn’t matter what they say. It’s not their team. It’s mine.”
THAT SAYS IT ALL.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Alisgod, most of these fans are like little children with sharp objects you constantly have to take them out of their hands or they will stab themselves.
They remember something that they think happened when they really don’t understand what went on. They think Gruden can come here and draft a QB and develope him when he’s NEVER done it. They think he can put together a team when he’s NEVER done it. They think Bruce Allen can put together a team when he’s NEVER done it.
They will take a trained monkey over Al Davis because the media tells them that they would be better off. They’re a bunch of suckers……….period
November 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
They don’t have the common sense to ask some plain common sense questions. Who would run the draft and who would select the players for the 53 man roster.
Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden would be the blind leading the blind. Allen has no clue about personnel decisions and these idiots in here don’t even know that.
Yet they’re for these two guy’s that got their chance and failed miserably. Yet they want to give them another chance here when they demonstrated that they were clueless when they were here. They think Bruce Allen ran the draft and made personnel decisions, well they’d get a rude awakening.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Gruden back to the Raiders? How many ex-jobs have you gone back to?
November 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about whether Gruden succeeds or not.
Gruden did what Al could not..which is got the team to perform.
Gruden became the face of the franchise. Al was reduced to the old codger who can’t find his jumpsuit. Hell, Al STILL has the sorry stupid pathetic films run, on the local preseason shows, that are about AL..not about the Raiders..NEVER about the fans..but AL. What Al has done, what AL has accomplished…always showing AL getting the lombardi trophy. Almost NOTHING on Madden, or Flores…or the top players that achieved those titles..it’s always a sorry take ON AL.
And all of this is stipulated by AL.
GRUDEN WILL NEVER BE BACK, ever.
Al hates admitting he made a mistake, and he’ll NEVER admit to that one..and he’ll NEVER pay Gruden what he’ll want..and he’ll NEVER butt the hell out, and let Gruden coach.
Here’s the deal breaker:
Gruden: Ok, sounds good..but hey, no more calling down from the box, during the games, ok?
AL: OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Priest,
There are people today who thought communism was a great thing….in Russia, there is talk of bringing Stalin’s statue back. Point is people get nolstagic of things past and they forget all the gory details that came along with it. The mongols are celebrated in movies today but people forget that they chopped everyone’s heads off…
Gruden is the same way. Our fans want excitement back. if Al wants to excite the fans, bring him back. I like the guy but I just dont think he walks on water. ALL OF HIS WINNINGS WERE ON THE BACKS OF A VETERAN TEAM. He has not proven he can build a team. If they let go of Cable, then I’m all for bringing Gruden back.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Kush Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Gruden coming back would be the best thing to happen to the Raiders since………well, since he left. We have spiraled downhill since the Superbowl where we got there using his system and gameplan.
Callahan’s inability to modify that game plan against Tampa is the single biggest reason we lost that Supoerbowl. That is why Gruden and the Tampa Bay Bucs knew our playbook inside and out.
Gruden’s retursn will immediately energize the entire Raider Nation and bring grit, determination, and hard work back to the Raiders.
The problem quite simply is Al Davis. He refuses to get out of his own way and let his coaches develop their team. He keeps doing the same thing week after week after week when it’s clearly not working. Sorry Priest, it’s the truth. Accept it.
^^^^^^^
Yep! Bringing back Gruden would allo the old looney to exercise those past demons of his with the stupid trade of Gruden and the FANS would be happy and they will start showing up to games and the whole franchise and players will be excited again.
Hiring Jon Gruden back and Bruce Allen would be a great BUSINESS move as well….but the stupid stubborn old man Al just isn’t smart enough to see things that way is he??
What a senile lunatic he is…
November 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Alisgod, I’m watching a real coach who biult his own program and raised it from the dead. His name is Jim Harbaugh at Stanford who is presently killing Oregon 24 to 7 at the farm. Jim knows talent understands the QB position because he played it at this level. He understand personnel and he was the QB coach in this organization and knows the owner and they have tremendous repect for each other. There would be no surprises or lack of recpect or insubordination. They know what to expect from each other. Jim comes from a football family has played at a very high level and is every bit as great a leader and X’s and O’s guy as Gruden he’s just more well rounded.
He’s the perfect coach for this franchise if we lose Cable. But we have these great unwashed masses who est up every bit of Jerry’s droppings as if he’s their master.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
They don’t have the common sense to ask some plain common sense questions. Who would run the draft and who would select the players for the 53 man roster.
Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden would be the blind leading the blind. Allen has no clue about personnel decisions and these idiots in here don’t even know that.
Yet they’re for these two guy’s that got their chance and failed miserably. Yet they want to give them another chance here when they demonstrated that they were clueless when they were here. They think Bruce Allen ran the draft and made personnel decisions, well they’d get a rude awakening.
^^^^^^^
I guess you don’t see the big picture do you Priesst?
Read my lips……THE RAIDERS WILL NEVER BE A WINNING TEAM AGAIN AND WILL NEVER MAKE THE PLAYOFFS….UNTIL AL DAVIS STOPS MAKING THE PERSONNEL DECISIONS/FOOTBALL OPERATING DECISIONS/DRAFT DECISIONS AND STOPS HIRING PUPPETT COACHES!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I think the reality is Al needs Gruden, Gruden needs Al. I think they are a good fit for each other. There will never be another franchise that excites Gruden the way the Raiders and its nation have in the past and future for him.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
The lunacy is in all you brain dead Grudenites.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Priest,
This offseason the hot coaching candidates are the ones already with experience. The college guys will not have many opportunities.
Harbaugh is a very interesting prospect. You are correct with your assessment of him. I do hate to start over though.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Gruden was as much a puppet as any but you’d have to know to know. I’d take several coaches over Gruden………period
November 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Alisgod, If these guy’s want excitment get a big wheel, Gruden is not the answer to us winning again….period
November 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
too harsh Priest. Gruden is an excellent motivator and x and o guy. The biggest issue i have with him is he gets so conservative once he gets a lead.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Alisgod, well you can have him. I’ve moved on and I want someone I believe in not some figment of a bunch little girls minds pining for some pop star.
I want to WIN……..period
I don’t believe Gruden has what we’re looking for.
You want to get excited go to the peep show.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
alisgod Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Priest,
This offseason the hot coaching candidates are the ones already with experience. The college guys will not have many opportunities.
Harbaugh is a very interesting prospect. You are correct with your assessment of him. I do hate to start over though.
^^^^^^^Harbaugh would be a good choice….but NO good coaches will come here if the old looney goat is still meddling and wants to make all the crappy football decisions…..he needs to hire a TRUE GM or player personnel man first to show any potential REAL Head Coaches that he is serious about winning.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about……….period stick to hopscotch!!
November 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Alisgod, well you can have him. I’ve moved on and I want someone I believe in not some figment of a bunch little girls minds pining for some pop star.
I want to WIN……..period
I don’t believe Gruden has what we’re looking for.
You want to get excited go to the peep show
^^^^^^
Your sorry attitude is the same type of attitude the senile old idiot man Al Davis has and his lapdog c*** sucker John Herrera have.
Thats why the team has SUCKED for 7 years!! LMAO!
November 7th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
And your girlish attitude is why this fanbase has gone to hell. Whinny little cross dresser.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
alisgod Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
too harsh Priest. Gruden is an excellent motivator and x and o guy. The biggest issue i have with him is he gets so conservative once he gets a lead.
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I would be happy with this team getting leads on a regular basis.
Al Davis HAS to let the coach pick his staff and decide who starts.
All the other stuff is background…if Davis wants to own the draft, free agency and all non-discipline related roster moves….then fine.
But you cannot be successfull if you are not responsible for the product. You gotta let a HEAD coach be the leader and supervisor/manager of the coaching staff and players. That includes oversite and discipline.
That’s why we keep hearing of slop off the field. Players overweight, missing the basics, bad attitudes and the like.
Can’t win with this setup. I only hope that Davis does a re-evaluation after this disaster of a season concludes.
Can Cable get this team to just freekn compete every week?
November 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
You guy’s buy into this no coach will come here crap but you just don’t know the truth. There are several coaches that will come here and the list is growing. These are once in a lifetime jobs great coaches that are sure of themselves RARELY turn them down.
You’re a LIAR, and an idiot. NAME THEM. I dare you. You won’t, because YOU CAN’T.
You’re ball less, and a liar. there are ZERO “great coaches” that would accept. See, already MARGINAL coaches have had NOTHING to do with Al.
Let me school your sorry ass…yet again.
Saunders? Interviewed. Immediately following? HIS AGENT CALLED THE RAIDERS and stated “Don’t bother drawing up an offer..NOT INTERESTED.
Mike Martz? Interviewed. BEFORE HE GOT TO THE OAKLAND AIRPORT..yes…after leaving Alameda..BEFORE HE REACHED HEGENBERGER, his agent had called up the Raiders and stated ‘thanks, but no thanks. Not interested. No need to make an offer.”
Whizenhunt… SAME THING..interviewed..lots of talk about him being signed..TURNED IT DOWN AND SAID NO THANKS.
Kiffin Sr…SAID NO THANKS.
Now, we all know you’re an idiot, priest. You and your silly little fairy tales about how you’re IN THE KNOW..so..here’s your chance, MOUTH..prove it.
NAME THOSE QUALITY HEAD COACHES THAT WOULD GLADLY TAKE THE RAIDER JOB. There are none. The ONLY candidate that would ever take the Raiders job is a down on his luck FORMER HC, who wants another shot..that seemingly NO ONE ELSE WILL GIVE HIM (See Shell. See Turner) or an asst, that no other team has made an offer to, and wants to get his foot in the door (See GRUDEN. See Cable. See Bugel. See Kiffin)
Hell, Al was so freaking desperate that Kiffin was INTERVIEWED AS A OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR..and when other candidates TURNED AL DOWN, he had no one else. He called in Kiffin, and Kiffin, much to HIS SURPRISE, WAS OFFERED THE HC JOB…hell…Al didn’t even KNOW KIFFIN’S FIRST NAME, and called him Lance.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
SnB, truth be told you don’t have a clue what goes on over there, All you guy’s say things that you don’t know are true you just parrott whatever the media tells as if they know.
The bottom line is we’re losing and we all want to win……..period Asd far who’s doing what YOU DON”T KNOW. Mr Davis has his phylosophies true enough and some are being done quite well all over this league. But you have these dumbells in here that say they are outdated. What!!
The vast majority of fans have zero clue and you know it. They think they do because they can come in places like this and play expert but the truth is they don’t have a freakin’ clue. And that speaks for 98% of them. They think they know what Mr Davis is doing and they comment like they know but they don’t………..period
And I’m suppose to listen to these sheep. Winning in the NFL is very tough. It takes and enire organization galvanized to one purpose and then you need mature talent and we don’t have that yet. So we’re stuggling to win and until that changes we will struggle. Cable has done as god a job as he can under the circumstances. Now we’ll see what happens with the team getting healthy. But it’s closer than most think. So we’ll see. 95% of these guy’s just come in here to vent. Vent, but don’t act as though you KNOW.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Actually he has access to your mothers rear and your Dad’s.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
And there ar least 10 possible coaches for each and every team. There’s 5 coaches right here right now that would take this job in a heartbeat. Just for starters.
RICHOCHET: Of course they would. It’s called getting foot in door, you dumbass. Shanahan. Went elsewhere, and won a SB..Gruden..went elsewhere and won a SB. Any asst will take job. I’m sorry..but WHERE’S THE GREAT COACHES YOU MENTIONED? There are none..that’s why you’ll avoid this post, lol..won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole..because you know I’ll school your ass.
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Big Al is not in the least bit interested in Gruden……….period
RICHOCHET: Only thing you said that’s true. Rest is BS.
Chuckie got the last laugh with Al. Al looked like a total freaking idiot in that deal. Al never forgets or forgives. Chuckie wants Al as much as Al wants chuckie, which is only in the line of fire.
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Also if I were a betting man if you could make the allegations about Cable disappear he would prefer Cable over a lot of the coaches that are out there. Cable has a long way to go to get to where he’s going to be he’s learning fast but still a long way to go.
RICHOCHET: lmfao…damn, that was ignorant. Cable is a tree stump. Worst HC in the league, bar none. Figures you would say that, fool.
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He loved Gruden getting credit but not at the EXPENSE of the team.
RICHOCHET: LIAR. you can’t post one single thing from one single source. You just made that up.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
John Madden is one of Mr Davis’s best friends and Madden is wildly famous.
RICHOCHET: BULL****. Best friends make time for each other. Help each other out. Madden has nothing to do with Al. Showed up to watch practice. Showed up at a game. That has NOTHING to do with Al. Madden took a position with the league, even though it’s obvious Al needs his help. Again, no one wants anything to do with Al.
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Truth be told you rarely hear from Mr Davis all through the Gruden tenure. Nobody ever heard from him. Same thing now he rarely if ever makes an appearance and people still perpetuate this myth. Mr Davis wants to win………period Helll you’d hardly know he was the owner if the media wasn’t so freaking obsessed with him.
RICHOCHET: Blind sorry lemming that you be..Yeah, NOW he’s old, needs a walker, but doesn’t stop him from meddling, does it?
See, even during Gruden’s tenure, Al used to ride out onto the field on his golf cart, DURING PRACTICE, and call all the players over. What? You didn’t know about that? Thought you were..you know..”in with the team at practices’?? You didn’t know Al would decide to give lessons to the defense on how to play their positions? Did the same during Shell, Turner..before he had trouble moving, talking, and thinking.
And BUTTING OUT? lol..you idiot. Who hired the assts? NOT THE HEAD COACH, FOOL..was Al. See, in EVERY OTHER TEAM the HC’s hires his team..but..not Al. HE HIRED THEM, and THEN hired Cable.
Press conferences to announce signings? WHO RUNS THOSE? The head coach..there’s Singletary talking about the Niners signing Crabtree..who announced Seymour? AL DAVIS, NOT Cable. Who did ALL THE TALKING? Al “Meddling” Davis..NOT THE HEAD COACH.
Who benched Russell? Well?? come on you spineless worm…WHO BENCHED HIM? Hint: Before the team got into the locker room, AFTER the game, Cable had already KNOWN WHO WAS STARTING THE FOLLOWING WEEK, and stupidly stated it..making it very clear on who’s decision it was.
You, being a flea, won’t state it..will you? lol.
Ok, dumbass..try this one on..Norv announced Tui was the starter for the final 4 games..EVEN NORV ADMITTED AL OVERRULED HIM..and put back in Collins..who lost the remaining games..that’s CALLED BUTTING IN, MORON.
Get the point? You don’t have a clue.
Ok…as salt in the wound? Kiffin announces he’s letting Ryan go. See, that’s what head coaches do..decide their team..except Al ANNOUNCES TO ALL that “I fire coaches, and Only me.”
Pretty funny watching you soil yourself over the old man.
10 years from now? Raider will still be setting the “consecutive double digit loss” record, and you’ll be STILL saying “It’s NOT AL’S FAULT..IT’S NOT…IT’S NOOOOOT”
And we’ll still be laughing at ya.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
You’ve just been schooled, Priest.
Now, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW this is where you tuck your tail between your legs..and say “oh..damn..uh..well, you SUCK” or some other meek retort that makes it very clear you are, in fact, dumber than cotton.
Yep, lol..still laughing at ya.
Now..worm..fetal position…GO.
Good boy.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
i keep reading those on here that say nothing but the Raiders will never win as long as Davis is alive and in control.they also acknowledge he isn’t going anywhere.well,if you KNOW we won’t win,and you despise the person running things,why do you waste so much of your time here repeating the EXACT SAME THING over and over EVERY phucking day.go root for some other team that WILL win,like happy troll who is a Browns fan.because according to you guys nothing is going to change.also,why the push by the gang mentality crowd to tell Priest to get lost.you may not like him,but he is a Raider fan and that is more than can be said of many of you.
November 7th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Actually he has access to your mothers rear and your Dad’s.
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In other words, I was right.
Yeah..I know.
So do you. That’s why you can’t shut up, until someone school’s you..then the meek whimper comes out.
Don’t worry..I’m just SURE you want to..you know..man up and clear up your idiot comments that I just torched. NO DOUBT you’ll just “put me in my place”..right?
I’ll repaste the challenges for ya..you know..because no doubt you’ll “forget”
November 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
ROFLMFAO that at the first sign of adversity, Priest did, in fact, tuck tail, jumped in fetal position, and meekly left.
Yep..a worm.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
alisgod Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I think the reality is Al needs Gruden, Gruden needs Al. I think they are a good fit for each other. There will never be another franchise that excites Gruden the way the Raiders and its nation have in the past and future for him.
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Good job Al
short, sweet, simple. Sums it up nicely.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I have been a Harbaugh fan for a long time. I think he and Al fit, sorta like Gruden.
I would like to see Cable pull it out, though.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Lefty12,post273,good hearing from you and I agree that some like to gang up on Priesttj,and we all know who they are,I always read what Priest has to say ,among others on this blog.That being said,many that post I just SKIP over,the haters,same things being said over and over and over!Now Lefty,what would be youre take on Gruden and Allen returning to the Oakland Raiders?
November 7th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Priest – I do have a question for you. Who do you feel should be held culpable (responsible) for the last 7 years?
And, if the success was not caused by Gruden and/or Allen what changed during the short Gruden Era which went against that trend and brought about the success which we are not doing now. Remember, the Gruden took over was for a 5-11 or 4-12 Joe Bugel team.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Gilbert,i have never been a huge Chuckie fan.I feel Cable should be given more time.we really can’t judge him with the ‘kids’ we are putting out on the field now and a QB who has a lot of growing up to do.that being said,if Gruden was to come back,it should be as a coach only.he should not have total say over the roster.i don’t think it is just coincidence that both teams he has coached and had say over the roster have been terrible after he was let go.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Personally, I hope that Cable pulls through and has success towards the end of this year and then hires a good O-Coordinator next year.
I don’t know if the likely hood of that is too high….maybe things to click. I’d love to see that happen. Now, in the case that doesn’t happen (which I think about 98% of the fans on this site wouldn’t believe that suddenly we win 5 or 6 of the last 8 games) then we will be looking for a new coach.
And in that situation, I’m not sure if I’d rather go with a Gruden (who knows the ropes here and is passionate as hell as a coach) or someone fresh.
The truth is that it appears we do have a lot of top names turning down the position. So, I don’t know our options.
What I do think is that it has to be someone who can stand his ground and teach his style of football get that implemented. And we need somoene who’s a good teacher offensively as we have a heck of a lot of younger players on offense.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Funny how Lefty says hes never been a fan of the guy who brought respectability to a team that was in the abyss before he came and is in the abyss now that hes gone. Weird. Never been a fan of the guy who made Raider football fun again. Hmmm… But then the cat will sit and reem out guys who are screaming for change and know success will never come with Al Davis in charge. Its almost as if Lefty REALLY dznt care if the Raiders win as long as AD is around doing things the “Raider” way.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
how do we know if we need a new OC?what we need is for our QB to KNOW the whole playbook so it can be utilized.when the year started Cable admitted our QB didn’t have a total grasp of the playbook,and since then he has admitted they condensed it even more.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Lefty12,post280,ok,see youre point.Appeared to me that Allen did a good job of being a buffer between Gruden and Al while in Oakland,not sure what Allens impact was in Tampa Bay.Guess my question would be,WHO should control the 53 man roster if not Gruden,Allen,or Al? another Gm hire? I can hear Jerry now,you all are just dreaming
November 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
i’m not a big Davis fan either,but until the last 7 years he won.Gruden won but i didn’t necessarily like his Off. but i liked his winning.Tampa is now in abyss after Chuckie also.how many of the draft choices from Chuckie 1 are making an impact on our team today?
November 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Lefty,
1) You REALLY think Gruden was making draft picks?? Come on bro, you aint that silly.
2) He won. He changed the culture of the Raiders whole organization. The Raiders were NOT a winning team before he came aboard.If you really care about winning you would hold the guy in higher regard.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Gilbert,i think,but don’t know for sure,that Allen would also go to Davis when Gruden wanted something and lobby for it.he wasn’t a true GM as much as a cap guy and as you say-buffer.whatever they did it worked for a short period of time,but we have been paying for it since,just as TB is now paying.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
we’ve had 9 losing seasons since 1989 and 6 of those since we went to the SB earlier this decade,so how can someone say we were not a winning team before he got here?OH,so Davis got him all those players he won with?
November 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
BTW,i said if he was to return,it should be as HC only,but like so many of these egotists now-a-days,he wants total control and when he had it in TB he left a decimated mess.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Before Gruden came in the Raiders were 9-7, 8-8,7-9 and 4-12. Thats winning?? Gruden brought in alot of guys to fit his system in free agency that were the foundation for the success. Al Davis obviously had a part in the success but I believe Gruden won in SPITE of Al Davis and has been the only coach in the last decade to do so.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Gruden say he wanted “total control or are you just assuming??
November 7th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Gruden got Davis thru Allen to bring in those old FAs.Davis got them.he had to because he runs everything,remember.he doesn’t designate any authority,remember.everything else you say is true,but i don’t consider 9-7 or 8-8 losing seasons,especially after the last 6(7) years.hell,7-9 looks pretty good these days.i’m not sure,but didn’t we make the play-offs the year we went 9-7?
November 7th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
did he want total control?-isn’t that what Jerry reported in the above article-he wanted control over the 53 man roster(i disagree) and he wanted control over his coaching staff(i do agree with that).as far as now,i don’t believe he has discussed the job with Davis,so who knows.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Lefty12,post288,wont deny that the Super Bowls were all under AL,but so has the losing of the last six goin on seven years,Lefty,my point is we need a GM ,WHETHER it is Allen,Chuckie team,or someone else!Remember the presser where Mr Davis stated that he was goin bring someone in ,a football guy for help!Well,where is that person? I,like many,will always be a fan of Mr Davis,but the Silver and Black must get help for the front office ,now,now,now Raiders!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I just want a damn competitive team! I had no illusions that this was a playoff team. But certainly I thought that this team could take the next step and get to .500 or close to it.
they just have too many games where THEY ARE NOT COMPETITIVE.
Look, I accept what Al Davis insists on doing and the way he runs the team.
But how long do we have to endure an offense that’s not even competent?
A Qb that is incompetent?
RBs that are a bunch of busts…and Fargas…all 50 yds per game….is considered a star
No wide receivers and an offensive line that has two competent players (Gallery, HEnderson)
Just quit with the the 30+ to 0 blowouts at home and I will be happy.
I don’t expect them to win games. But I do expect them to compete!
November 7th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Gilbert,i totally agree.i don’t know if we have to call the guy a GM,but we do need someone to help and advise the old man,someone he would listen to.many say it should be Madden,but in reality he is almost as old as Davis plus i don’t think he wants to do that much work.his ‘job’ with the NFL is watching and advising-pretty much a do nothing thing.we need a young football mind the old coot will listen to.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
SnB,
What made you think they would be a 500 club?
Why should they compete? Seriously. The have a HORRIBLE QB, a HORRIBLE o-line, HORRIBLE WRs, below avg DL, avg LBs and HORRIBLE coaching. Y SHOULD they be competitive.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Lefty12,
What Davis needs to do is let the coach manage his staff and the starting lineup on gameday.
That’s all. If he insists on messing up the draft or bringing in his kind of free agents…then fine.
But let the doggone coach instill discipline on the players. Let the coach pick his staff and MANAGE his staff.
Tell the owner to stop meddling in the day-to-day stuff. If he wants to be GM, fine…but let the damn coach own his staff and choose who starts and doesn’t start.
No more scholarship players…and players showing up overweight..and when they do…let the coach manage the situation
November 7th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Dude Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
SnB,
What made you think they would be a 500 club?
Why should they compete? Seriously. The have a HORRIBLE QB, a HORRIBLE o-line, HORRIBLE WRs, below avg DL, avg LBs and HORRIBLE coaching. Y SHOULD they be competitive.
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Because the league is average. Any team that puts forth an honest effort should be competitive in just about every game they play..with the exception of playing the truly great teams.
I don’t know about you…but I choose to spend my Sundays watching football…and the Raiders are part of that. I would like to watch a competitive game each week. I thought last week was outstanding. It kept my interest for 4QTRs.
They might not win..but thy should be able to compete
November 7th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
No, in reality, they shouldnt. They are a bad team and for the most part a bad team will not compete in the NFL week to week.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Dude,
I think professionals should have pride and respect for what they do. My definition of competitive is keeping the game within 2-scores into the 4th QTR.
The RAiders…with all of their serious flaws…should be able to that against most teams. Now, they may still get blown out in the end….but they should be able to do what I just said if they are truly professionals…which I sometimes question with the B.S that comes out of that place
November 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
2 Starting Rookie Wide Receivers and a Rookie WR Coach?
Does that make sense?
November 7th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
i saw Tenn. get beat by almost 50 points in a game this year.when things start to snowball against you early in the game,blowouts happen more than many realize-even to the good teams of which we are not one of.
November 7th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Lefty12,talk at ya later,kids are here! Have a good weekend,looks like pizza is the choice,take care RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
If Al Davis knows so much about winning in today’s NFL, why isn’t he doing it?
6 winning seasons since 1989?
November 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Gilbert-agree.
November 7th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Lefty
When someone in your family needs an intervention, you just keep enabling?
November 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
KK-in the last 3 hours nobody has claimed that.why don’t you try reading the comments before you start with your usual BS.also,why do you like to harp on 2 rookie WRs and a rookie(actually he isn’t) HC,but you never mention the inept QB?
November 7th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
KK-#296.like i said read before you comment.
November 7th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
“we need a young football mind the old coot will listen to.”
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I read those semantics Lefty. Same ole same ole.
He listens to and hires people who tell him what he wants to hear.
His veto pen has to be put down!
November 7th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Later
November 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
SnB,
the blowouts happen is because we dont have an offense to keep up with the D. Once the D sees that the game is over in the first quarter due to turnovers or whatever, the D just let it go. We all know football is like an orchestra…all units must be on the same page. Morever the D guys see the game is over and they just lose the intensity. Once the intensity is gone anyone is going to run all over you.
The other point that must be noted is that Cable is learning on the job too. As much as everyone wants to blame Al, I really see Cable as a very good motivator but learning on the job as playcaller. He called a decent game against SD that means dont allow the offense to lose the game for you given the lack of talent and experience on the O right now.
Clearly SD has more talent and experience than us right now and they won a close game. But calling plays around the talent that you have will go along way to allowing our D to win games for us like the KC and Eagles game. I am hoping to see a similar game plan against KC next week. That is our only chance to win.
November 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
This year’s offense is worse than Art Shell’s B&B O. Cable is just lowering the head, Al will drop the Ax sooner or later…We wont get Gruden, or a hot assistant, or a respected HC candidate. We will get some out of the hat coach, and we’ll hope for a miracle.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I see priest has been taking it in the shorts in here, very good!
I see OakGlen/BS Detector gave up his childish act.
The Blog is doing well! Carry on, keep up the good work!
Bye weeks are good for the fans too. You can only take so much of a circus act that is “JaMarshmallow”
November 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
We feel pretty good going into the bye, we did some “self scouting”.
-Tom Cable
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Feel free to scout the opponent coach!
November 7th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Alisgod and SnB, Cable was veryslow to accept the fact that we must run the football to be successful. Russell was in no way prepared to carry this team. But he just continued to put the ball in his hands and it hurt us. We did,t possess the weapons to help the young stuggling QB. Russell has a long way to go but I finally think he is really on the right path.
These young kids on defense have been outstanding. Dez Bryant and Matt S and Tyvon Branch even T Scott came alive late. These guy’s will help provide a cornerstone for this defense for years. I even saw J Rich turn it around . This is very promising.
Now we just need the offense Chaz, JLH, DMC, MBush, Russell and DHB to start making the same kind of strides and we can have a team capable of making a move to get to the top of this division. But it starts with Russell taking the team by the reigns and leading it. Cable has been very hard on him in that regard and it’s nice to see signs of a positive response.
In one week we’ll see if the signs are more visible to the untrained eye. I’ve heard some positive things out of camp and I hope they manifest themselves to the fans.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Yaers from now, people will continue to look back and laugh at the selections of JaBust-us and Worthless Heyward-Bey by the Raiders. We really had a chance to draft for quality and depth and begin to build up solid O and D lines; hopefully, we will begin that process next year. Al is so desperate to return the Raiders to glory quickly, that his “reaches” are becoming more and more costly. C’mon Al – hire a GM who KNOWS the game and who KNOWS they way the game works NOW — the old AFL ways just don’t cut it anymore!
November 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
# Trolls 35 Raiders 0 Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
“I’m happy to stop posting here anytime cause most in here are like whinning babies that can’t have their way.”
I
repeat:
in the a$$ on your 
way out buttholeprik 
Don’t let the door hit you
November 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Trolls:
Just remember – if your punt hits the scoreboard, you are entitled to a “do-over”!
November 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
# raidertbone Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Trolls:
Just remember – if your punt hits the scoreboard, you are entitled to a “do-over”!
November 7th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
As much as everyone talks about wanting Gruden back, there are two matters to consider: 1) money; and 2) the collective egos of Chucky and Al. Neither of those scenarios look promising for Gruden’s return. Let’s just hope we get a good, knowledgeable, EXPERIENCED GM and then a younger, eager coach who will listen to him and begin building the organization the way Belichick has built New England.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Raidertbone, the game hasn’t changed a bit just the players. The game is still blocking and tackling everything else is just individual talent.
You think we will regret Russell and DHB, DHB has played all of 8 games. While I wouldn’t have drafted him he was easily a 1st rnd pick on all scouting reports. He just has a very young inexperienced QB, and he is a rookie. Bad match!! for both players.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Priest:
DHB may have been rated as a first-rounder … maybe. Yet, there were at least four receivers rated ahead of him, including the guy who all the reports said we were going to select (Macklin). My biggest regret was that we sacrificed the opportunity to bring in Ron Brace, and instead opted for Mike Mitchell. If D-Mac proves to be injury- riddled, that could end up spelling defeat for the past three first-rounders we have had. By the way, I don’t THINK we will regret Russell — he is slready DONE in my book. Biggest high first-round QB busts since Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
16, I didn’t say I was in the room I said I was in the office. I’ve never been privy to a direct exchange between the two parties. Unless it was in the lockeroom. Where that would never happen.
UH-UH-UH buttholeprik
you’re 
starting to sound like Mora 
in the Coors light commercials 
November 7th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Party hard, Nation! No loss tomorrow – unless Al calls a press conference to fire Cable — anything to upstage the rest of the league for the weekend!
November 7th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
# alisgod Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
SnB,
We all know football is like an orchestra…all units must be on the same page.
RICHOCHET: Dude..that was lame. Like an “orchestra”?? WTF?
Wait..you played violin, didn’t you?
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The other point that must be noted is that Cable is learning on the job too. As much as everyone wants to blame Al, I really see Cable as a very good motivator but learning on the job as playcaller.
RICHOCHET: good motivator? CABLE??? You freaking moron..the guy has motivated NO ONE. You have any idea what the word even means? Raiders qb, which was the #1 pick, is DEAD LAST IN THE NFL IN HIS POSITION. Raiders first round WR is dead LAST of all starting WR’s. His forte’, the oline, is one of the worst in the NFL. Raiders have been BLOWN OUT in almost half of the games he’s coached..again..YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ‘MOTIVATOR’ MEANS.
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He called a decent game against SD that means dont allow the offense to lose the game for you given the lack of talent and experience on the O right now.
RICHOCHET: idiot take from the resident idiot. His play calling sucks. Quit with the “excuses”. You call the game utilizing what you have. Cable sucks at it. You’re just to slow to grasp it.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
You guy’s buy into this no coach will come here crap but you just don’t know the truth. There are several coaches that will come here and the list is growing. These are once in a lifetime jobs great coaches that are sure of themselves RARELY turn them down.
You’re a LIAR, and an idiot. NAME THEM. I dare you. You won’t, because YOU CAN’T.
You’re ball less, and a liar. there are ZERO “great coaches” that would accept. See, already MARGINAL coaches have had NOTHING to do with Al.
Let me school your sorry ass…yet again.
Saunders? Interviewed. Immediately following? HIS AGENT CALLED THE RAIDERS and stated “Don’t bother drawing up an offer..NOT INTERESTED.
Mike Martz? Interviewed. BEFORE HE GOT TO THE OAKLAND AIRPORT..yes…after leaving Alameda..BEFORE HE REACHED HEGENBERGER, his agent had called up the Raiders and stated ‘thanks, but no thanks. Not interested. No need to make an offer.”
Whizenhunt… SAME THING..interviewed..lots of talk about him being signed..TURNED IT DOWN AND SAID NO THANKS.
Kiffin Sr…SAID NO THANKS.
Now, we all know you’re an idiot, priest. You and your silly little fairy tales about how you’re IN THE KNOW..so..here’s your chance, MOUTH..prove it.
NAME THOSE QUALITY HEAD COACHES THAT WOULD GLADLY TAKE THE RAIDER JOB. There are none. The ONLY candidate that would ever take the Raiders job is a down on his luck FORMER HC, who wants another shot..that seemingly NO ONE ELSE WILL GIVE HIM (See Shell. See Turner) or an asst, that no other team has made an offer to, and wants to get his foot in the door (See GRUDEN. See Cable. See Bugel. See Kiffin)
Hell, Al was so freaking desperate that Kiffin was INTERVIEWED AS A OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR..and when other candidates TURNED AL DOWN, he had no one else. He called in Kiffin, and Kiffin, much to HIS SURPRISE, WAS OFFERED THE HC JOB…hell…Al didn’t even KNOW KIFFIN’S FIRST NAME, and called him Lance.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
And there ar least 10 possible coaches for each and every team. There’s 5 coaches right here right now that would take this job in a heartbeat. Just for starters.
RICHOCHET: Of course they would. It’s called getting foot in door, you dumbass. Shanahan. Went elsewhere, and won a SB..Gruden..went elsewhere and won a SB. Any asst will take job. I’m sorry..but WHERE’S THE GREAT COACHES YOU MENTIONED? There are none..that’s why you’ll avoid this post, lol..won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole..because you know I’ll school your ass.
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Big Al is not in the least bit interested in Gruden……….period
RICHOCHET: Only thing you said that’s true. Rest is BS.
Chuckie got the last laugh with Al. Al looked like a total freaking idiot in that deal. Al never forgets or forgives. Chuckie wants Al as much as Al wants chuckie, which is only in the line of fire.
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Also if I were a betting man if you could make the allegations about Cable disappear he would prefer Cable over a lot of the coaches that are out there. Cable has a long way to go to get to where he’s going to be he’s learning fast but still a long way to go.
RICHOCHET: lmfao…damn, that was ignorant. Cable is a tree stump. Worst HC in the league, bar none. Figures you would say that, fool.
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He loved Gruden getting credit but not at the EXPENSE of the team.
RICHOCHET: LIAR. you can’t post one single thing from one single source. You just made that up.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
John Madden is one of Mr Davis’s best friends and Madden is wildly famous.
RICHOCHET: BULL****. Best friends make time for each other. Help each other out. Madden has nothing to do with Al. Showed up to watch practice. Showed up at a game. That has NOTHING to do with Al. Madden took a position with the league, even though it’s obvious Al needs his help. Again, no one wants anything to do with Al.
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Truth be told you rarely hear from Mr Davis all through the Gruden tenure. Nobody ever heard from him. Same thing now he rarely if ever makes an appearance and people still perpetuate this myth. Mr Davis wants to win………period Helll you’d hardly know he was the owner if the media wasn’t so freaking obsessed with him.
RICHOCHET: Blind sorry lemming that you be..Yeah, NOW he’s old, needs a walker, but doesn’t stop him from meddling, does it?
See, even during Gruden’s tenure, Al used to ride out onto the field on his golf cart, DURING PRACTICE, and call all the players over. What? You didn’t know about that? Thought you were..you know..”in with the team at practices’?? You didn’t know Al would decide to give lessons to the defense on how to play their positions? Did the same during Shell, Turner..before he had trouble moving, talking, and thinking.
And BUTTING OUT? lol..you idiot. Who hired the assts? NOT THE HEAD COACH, FOOL..was Al. See, in EVERY OTHER TEAM the HC’s hires his team..but..not Al. HE HIRED THEM, and THEN hired Cable.
Press conferences to announce signings? WHO RUNS THOSE? The head coach..there’s Singletary talking about the Niners signing Crabtree..who announced Seymour? AL DAVIS, NOT Cable. Who did ALL THE TALKING? Al “Meddling” Davis..NOT THE HEAD COACH.
Who benched Russell? Well?? come on you spineless worm…WHO BENCHED HIM? Hint: Before the team got into the locker room, AFTER the game, Cable had already KNOWN WHO WAS STARTING THE FOLLOWING WEEK, and stupidly stated it..making it very clear on who’s decision it was.
You, being a flea, won’t state it..will you? lol.
Ok, dumbass..try this one on..Norv announced Tui was the starter for the final 4 games..EVEN NORV ADMITTED AL OVERRULED HIM..and put back in Collins..who lost the remaining games..that’s CALLED BUTTING IN, MORON.
Get the point? You don’t have a clue.
Ok…as salt in the wound? Kiffin announces he’s letting Ryan go. See, that’s what head coaches do..decide their team..except Al ANNOUNCES TO ALL that “I fire coaches, and Only me.”
Pretty funny watching you soil yourself over the old man.
10 years from now? Raider will still be setting the “consecutive double digit loss” record, and you’ll be STILL saying “It’s NOT AL’S FAULT..IT’S NOT…IT’S NOOOOOT”
And we’ll still be laughing at ya.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Yep, still LMFAO at ya, priest…
Cringe, loser…cringe
November 7th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Raidertbone this is what I have a hard time with, why don’t you guy’s see what we did instead of worrying about what we didn’t do. Ron Brace is OK since when is he some dominant DT?? I just don’t get it.
Don’t you see the kid we did get in Dez Bryant who IMO is better than Ron Brace and Matt S who’s played better than most 1st rnd DE’s in the last 2 years. Ron Brace, who cares? Mitchell hasn’t shown a lot but Tyvon Branch is as good as they come. And Huff is finally living up to his draft status.
I wouldn’t have drafted DHB or Macklin. I would’ve drafted the LB from USC Brian Cushing. And drafted Rey in the 2nd. Hopefully we can make up for that next year. You guy’s have to undestand maybe they don’t rate the players you want as highly as you do. I haven’t seen anything from DHB that really disappoints me. He’s a rookie WR with a young QB what the hell do you expect?
November 7th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
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November 7th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
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November 7th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
You’re such a kiss ass, Priest-TamiJean.
Yeah, Bey is a rookie WR. EVERY OTHER WR IS DOING BETTER THAN BEY..Bey was the first one chosen.
Your sorryass excuse fest just makes you an idiot, as well as being a worm.
Point: ‘I’ve seen nothing from Bey that really disappoints me”??
He couldn’t catch a ball all training camp if his life depended on it.
Balls thrown to him he meekly watches go into opponents arms, or to the ground, while not even going for it.
He’s dropped balls that hit him right in the hands.
Only a sorryass homer would state what you did.
November 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
16, If I get them, you’ll know…..ignore the background noise.
A man 
of your 
status should be able to guarantee the tickets 
IF
November 7th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Is Billick a real possiblity or just another rumor?
November 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
priest we can make up for not getting cushing by getting spikes from florida and that lb from oregon st. i forget his name but he is #32. he was layin some vicious hits against cal today and scouts aorund the league are high on him. he plays with a mean streak which is clearly lacking from our soft azz lbs.
November 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
i would take gruden back but only as a coach. i believe he would be more aggressive with these players cuz they are far more explosive than the old players he had before. the problem is this team is poor at fundamentals which he could coach up. those same boring plays could then become bigger plays with the likes of all the speed we have. cable should get to finish out the year and hopefully he can turn it around. i loved the idea of harbaugh last year cuz he is an nfl guy in college. i was hoping he would get the job instead of cable.
November 7th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
we need a dt who can disrupt some plays big time. we are very invisible in the middle of this defense. id like to se seymour back at dt like he was at georgia and get another de at his current spot. then get a dt inFA nad the draft. dont matter whio and where as long as they can play.
November 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
League, Raiders working closely on Cable case
Posted by Mike Florio on November 7, 2009 11:42 PM ET
At a time when some might believe that the NFL and the Oakland Raiders would be unable to get on the same page on any issue, the league and the team continue to work closely together regarding the appropriate response to recent allegations of domestic violence against coach Tom Cable.
The process, we’re told, is ongoing, and no quick answer is expected.
As we’ve previously pointed out, the issue poses a serious dilemma, requiring the NFL and the Raiders to balance the importance of eliminating domestic violence and the apparent unfairness of punishing a coach for something that happened years before the coach was hired in any capacity by the team.
So don’t expect any of the Sunday pregame shows to have the scoop on where this one is heading. For now, no one really knows.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Its heading no where. You simply can’t punish Cable retro actively.
Law enforcement has already looked at and dismissed him in the second case and as you point out, the previous incident was 20 years a go.
The NFL’s concern over this matter smacks of BS because they down play other acts of violence against women by other members of the Leauge.
All this goes away if the Raiders start to win. All it takes is an attidue adjustment to play harder then their opponents.
We’ll see after the bye…
November 7th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Pairing Bey with SanJay Lal made little sense to me.
Everyone knew Bey would need serious training and polish, then tio give him to Lal who’s never been a head coach at anything on this level and has very little wide reciever coaching at all seems like a bad idea.
We get Gallery and Green back and if Satele really has come around, we could get the ground game going again.
I’m hoping Khalif Barnes manages to show enough progress to stay on.
Pretty sure his days of off field antics may be over and he’s a legitimately talented tackle who could theoretically play left or right and hopefully replace Green in the near future.
Get the O line healthy, the ground game on track and maybe some play action can stretch the field with or with out Schilens.
I fear the poor guy may be a never was.
Sad because he played with the intesity everyone lese lacks.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
i think yall want da wrong chuck/ we need chuck norris…
chuck norris can slam a revolving door!
Chuck Norris uses pepper spray to spice up his steaks
November 7th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Hiiting women, Children, animals, and other beings is wrong unless it couldn’t be avoided ( self defense). People change. I know I did, and I’m not proud of everything I did. I wasn’t a saint, so I don’t like to judge people. He did it 20 years ago, so why bring it up now?
Fire Cable because he is a bad HC!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
*hitting
November 7th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
With all the violence against women by NFL players, they CANNOT let Cable slide.
And get off the 20 years ago talking point. There’s incidents with Cable this year in Alameda.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Chuck Norris doesn’t actually write books, the words assemble themselves out of fear
Chuck Norris doesn’t throw up if he drinks too much. Chuck Norris throws down!
Hellen Keller’s favorite color is Chuck Norris.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
20 years ago!! Period! lol
November 7th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Raider O
Allah Akubar, ok? We don’t want no trouble, with you shooting up the Used Car lot, ok?
November 7th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Doriangray,
Do You really have a Raiders Tat on your chest?
November 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
CHUCK NORRIS HAND CAN BEAT A ROYAL FLUSH
chuck norris roundhouse kicked sashsquach an turned him into a furby
November 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
KK,
It’s OK!! As long as you can get of the drugs, stop selling crack on the corner, find your father, and learn to read, ok?
November 7th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
The defensive ends have been better than expected at this point but with Ellis out it will be interesting to see.
Hope Richardson steps up to help the youngsters Scott and O’Shaughnessy
November 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Chuck Norris doesn’t actually write books, the words assemble themselves out of fear
Chuck Norris doesn’t throw up if he drinks too much. Chuck Norris throws down!
Hellen Keller’s favorite color is Chuck Norris.
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Chuck Norris is so tough, under his beard is another fist…
November 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I find it very disturbing when a member of a minority group like KK can stereotype other minority groups!! How does it feel when people do it to you? Should I assume you are ignorant, drug seller, or fin Aide because you are black?!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
chuck norris once drank a cup of steroids that shawne merriman gave him , & he asked why do u have my blood in a cup ?
god said” let there be light! . chuck norris replied ” say please”
chuck norris knows the last digit of pie
November 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
BTW LMAO @ all the Chuck N jokes!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
chuck norris CAN believe its not butter.
chuck norris can make al davis believe in drafting a soft armed 6 foot 1 accurate quarterback.
tim tebow doesnt have a father , his mother got pregnant by watching walker texas ranger .
November 9th, 2009 at 4:22 am
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November 9th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Well of course you’re right Jerry.. the cript keeper just won’t budge and because of that Gruden will be coaching the Chargers… Spanos will give him the farm and Chucky was lobbying for the job on MNF.
IT’s a prediction and it’s one I dread and hate but, Believe it, it will happen, and we the Nation will be beyond PI$$ED.
Just win baby means Just win my way baby or nothing at all. & thats exactly what we have been getting… Nothing at all!
This next season will determin whether i go into Raider Hibernation. Waiting for the inevitable day Al is helped to pack his bags or helped to leave the premises by pall bearers.
How sad it makes me feel to say that but Al is like the Queen of England and Castro… These 3 just last forever and never want to relinquish any sort of power whatsoever!!
Only solution is hire the Gruden/Allen team before Diego does and we’ll hit that illusive winning with a solid bang of glory . coz now about the only thing we can solidly hit is a freezing cold “40″
November 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am
AS much as i hate to say this, and I never wish this on anyone, but the only way the Raiders will ever again be successful is for Al Davis to die…