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Why Gruden won’t be back in 2010

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, November 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pm in Oakland Raiders.

When the 2009 season concludes, it will be eight seasons since Jon Gruden was head coach of the Raiders.

That’s twice as long as he was coach of the Raiders.

Yet the topic of his potential return is never far from the minds of a significant segment of Raiders fans, in part because none of his successors has lasted more than two years since Al Davis traded Gruden to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a long-ago spent $8 million and some draft picks that never amounted to much.

The possibility of Gruden returning is probably the most asked question every week during on-line chats. I usually brush most of them off with a quick “no,” or never post the question at all and move on to something else.

It’s rare when a week goes by where I don’t receive e-mails about Gruden coming back to the team where he first became a head coach in 1998.

When Gruden and Bruce Allen were fired in Tampa Bay last Jan. 16, this blog shut down for a few hours, and I’m convinced it had to do with excess traffic. Could have been something else, I suppose, but it was a heck of a coincidence.

I’m guessing the Raiders got their share of e-mails and phone calls as well, because by Jan. 18, John Herrera was telling reporters “We’ve been down that road” and that any talk about bringing Gruden back was reckless speculation.

Coach Tom Cable is in a tenuous position with the club acknowledging it will take a serious look at ESPN allegations regarding his his history of violence toward women, which comes on the heels of the Randy Hanson affair.

Those issues, accompanied by a 2-6 record from a team Davis proclaimed to be “pretty good” two days before the season started, have the Gruden wishful thinking rumor mill churning again.

I said during Tuesday’s chat I’d give a more detailed explanation as to why I don’t see Gruden coming back since the bye week afforded some time with just two days of practice, so here goes.

For all the talk of Gruden leaving because of Al’s ego, or Gruden wanting to get away from Al, or Gruden requesting Tampa to be closer to his family, the reasons for his departure were contractual.

The two sides were working on a contract extension in 2001. Even when Gruden’s agent, Bob LaMonte, was making his return sound dire, Allen, an important middle man in the Davis-Gruden alliance, always thought a deal would get done.

Very late in the season, Gruden thought he had a deal. The extension was for three years, averaging around $3 million per season. In it, Gruden had control of the 53-man roster and the ability to pick his own coaching staff. He was fine with Davis running the draft and free agency, where he would have input but not the final say. But his two main issues were picking his own team, and picking his own coaches.

When Gruden and LaMonte met at a restaurant not far from the club facility and opened the envelope containing the contract, the provisions regarding control of the 53-man roster and picking the coaches had been removed. Much of the money had been pushed to the last season.

If this was a negotiating ploy by the Raiders to get Gruden to take less, it backfired. At that point he was intent on coaching his last season and looking for another job.

Gruden loved coaching the Raiders. Loved the fans, the tradition. He was proud of having taken the mess he inherited from Joe Bugel and making it special again. He used to tell Rich Gannon, “If we can turn this place around and win a championship here, it will be our legacy.”

Working with Davis is no picnic, but as we sat in a hotel room that served as his office at the Bucs Orlando, Fla., training camp in 2004, Gruden said, “I thought we were doing OK. We made it work.”

One former Raiders assistant told me that when Davis would make a request that Gruden didn’t agree with, he would have a film cut-up made detailing his reasons. Davis would see that his idea had been seriously considered and back off _ in large part because the Raiders under Gruden’s watch were wildly successful by today’s Raiders standards.

With that as a backdrop, what do you think are the chances that Gruden would come to work for the Raiders without control of the 53-man roster and the coaching staff? Especially when he can probably get it someplace else.

And what do you think are the chances that he’d come to work even for the $3 million that was offered in 2004 _ considerably more than any Raiders coach has been paid since then? Especially when he can probably get it someplace else.

And what are the chances that Davis would grant control of the 53-man roster as well as complete control of the coaching staff?

And what are the chances that Davis would pay Gruden what he’d receive from owners with deeper pockets on the open market?

Gruden isn’t the only part of the equation.

One of the reasons the Davis-Gruden collaboration worked in Oakland was because of Allen. As single-minded as Davis is about what he believes in, Gruden is equally as driven and determined. He can be impatient and after a period of time can wear on even his most loyal friends and assistants.

Allen was the perfect buffer between Davis and Gruden. One former assistant coach described Allen as the person who made it all work, because without him, the owner and coach would have never co-existed comfortably.

Allen came to the Raiders in part because his father, the late George Allen, was an iconoclastic football lifer like Davis. Bruce Allen, like Davis, was a head coach at a young age, a young GM for his father in the USFL, and later became an agent. But Allen held coaches in reverence, having been raised by one, while Davis was more about players than coaches.

Trading Gruden was just fundamentally the wrong thing to do in Allen’s mind, and it was really no surprise when he opted to join Gruden in Tampa.

If Gruden were to return to the Raiders, the spike in interest would be off the charts. The success Gruden built in the form of two division championships and setting the table for a third, is reason enough for a lot of fans to long for the closest thing to the good old days that exist since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.

How can that happen?

Davis admits his mistake and Gruden returns with control of the 53-man roster, control of his coaching staff, and a salary considerably more than any Raiders coach has ever been paid.

Allen returns to manage the salary cap run the day-to-day operations, mostly at Gruden’s behest.

Other members of the support staff who left the Raiders for the Bucs, and closely aligned with Gruden and Allen, also return.

Davis takes a back seat and lets someone else do the heavy lifting to rebuild his tattered franchise, available for advice, support and perspective but letting his coach and senior executive do their jobs.

If you think all those things can happen, dream on.

Hey, the Raiders came back to Oakland in 1995 after 13 years in Los Angeles. What’s another miracle 15 years later?

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  • alisgod

    I think the reality is Al needs Gruden, Gruden needs Al. I think they are a good fit for each other. There will never be another franchise that excites Gruden the way the Raiders and its nation have in the past and future for him.

  • priesttj

    The lunacy is in all you brain dead Grudenites.

  • alisgod

    Priest,

    This offseason the hot coaching candidates are the ones already with experience. The college guys will not have many opportunities.

    Harbaugh is a very interesting prospect. You are correct with your assessment of him. I do hate to start over though.

  • priesttj

    Gruden was as much a puppet as any but you’d have to know to know. I’d take several coaches over Gruden………period

  • priesttj

    Alisgod, If these guy’s want excitment get a big wheel, Gruden is not the answer to us winning again….period

  • alisgod

    too harsh Priest. Gruden is an excellent motivator and x and o guy. The biggest issue i have with him is he gets so conservative once he gets a lead.

  • priesttj

    Alisgod, well you can have him. I’ve moved on and I want someone I believe in not some figment of a bunch little girls minds pining for some pop star.

    I want to WIN……..period

    I don’t believe Gruden has what we’re looking for.

    You want to get excited go to the peep show.

  • DKnight007

    alisgod Says:
    November 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
    Priest,

    This offseason the hot coaching candidates are the ones already with experience. The college guys will not have many opportunities.

    Harbaugh is a very interesting prospect. You are correct with your assessment of him. I do hate to start over though.

    ^^^^^^^Harbaugh would be a good choice….but NO good coaches will come here if the old looney goat is still meddling and wants to make all the crappy football decisions…..he needs to hire a TRUE GM or player personnel man first to show any potential REAL Head Coaches that he is serious about winning.

  • priesttj

    You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about……….period stick to hopscotch!!

  • DKnight007

    priesttj Says:
    November 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
    Alisgod, well you can have him. I’ve moved on and I want someone I believe in not some figment of a bunch little girls minds pining for some pop star.

    I want to WIN……..period

    I don’t believe Gruden has what we’re looking for.

    You want to get excited go to the peep show

    ^^^^^^
    Your sorry attitude is the same type of attitude the senile old idiot man Al Davis has and his lapdog c*** sucker John Herrera have.

    Thats why the team has SUCKED for 7 years!! LMAO!

  • priesttj

    And your girlish attitude is why this fanbase has gone to hell. Whinny little cross dresser.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    alisgod Says:
    November 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    too harsh Priest. Gruden is an excellent motivator and x and o guy. The biggest issue i have with him is he gets so conservative once he gets a lead.
    ======================================================
    I would be happy with this team getting leads on a regular basis.

    Al Davis HAS to let the coach pick his staff and decide who starts.

    All the other stuff is background…if Davis wants to own the draft, free agency and all non-discipline related roster moves….then fine.

    But you cannot be successfull if you are not responsible for the product. You gotta let a HEAD coach be the leader and supervisor/manager of the coaching staff and players. That includes oversite and discipline.

    That’s why we keep hearing of slop off the field. Players overweight, missing the basics, bad attitudes and the like.

    Can’t win with this setup. I only hope that Davis does a re-evaluation after this disaster of a season concludes.

    Can Cable get this team to just freekn compete every week?

  • Richochet

    # priesttj Says:
    November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    You guy’s buy into this no coach will come here crap but you just don’t know the truth. There are several coaches that will come here and the list is growing. These are once in a lifetime jobs great coaches that are sure of themselves RARELY turn them down.

    You’re a LIAR, and an idiot. NAME THEM. I dare you. You won’t, because YOU CAN’T.

    You’re ball less, and a liar. there are ZERO “great coaches” that would accept. See, already MARGINAL coaches have had NOTHING to do with Al.

    Let me school your sorry ass…yet again.

    Saunders? Interviewed. Immediately following? HIS AGENT CALLED THE RAIDERS and stated “Don’t bother drawing up an offer..NOT INTERESTED.

    Mike Martz? Interviewed. BEFORE HE GOT TO THE OAKLAND AIRPORT..yes…after leaving Alameda..BEFORE HE REACHED HEGENBERGER, his agent had called up the Raiders and stated ‘thanks, but no thanks. Not interested. No need to make an offer.”

    Whizenhunt… SAME THING..interviewed..lots of talk about him being signed..TURNED IT DOWN AND SAID NO THANKS.

    Kiffin Sr…SAID NO THANKS.

    Now, we all know you’re an idiot, priest. You and your silly little fairy tales about how you’re IN THE KNOW..so..here’s your chance, MOUTH..prove it.

    NAME THOSE QUALITY HEAD COACHES THAT WOULD GLADLY TAKE THE RAIDER JOB. There are none. The ONLY candidate that would ever take the Raiders job is a down on his luck FORMER HC, who wants another shot..that seemingly NO ONE ELSE WILL GIVE HIM (See Shell. See Turner) or an asst, that no other team has made an offer to, and wants to get his foot in the door (See GRUDEN. See Cable. See Bugel. See Kiffin)

    Hell, Al was so freaking desperate that Kiffin was INTERVIEWED AS A OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR..and when other candidates TURNED AL DOWN, he had no one else. He called in Kiffin, and Kiffin, much to HIS SURPRISE, WAS OFFERED THE HC JOB…hell…Al didn’t even KNOW KIFFIN’S FIRST NAME, and called him Lance.

  • priesttj

    SnB, truth be told you don’t have a clue what goes on over there, All you guy’s say things that you don’t know are true you just parrott whatever the media tells as if they know.

    The bottom line is we’re losing and we all want to win……..period Asd far who’s doing what YOU DON”T KNOW. Mr Davis has his phylosophies true enough and some are being done quite well all over this league. But you have these dumbells in here that say they are outdated. What!!

    The vast majority of fans have zero clue and you know it. They think they do because they can come in places like this and play expert but the truth is they don’t have a freakin’ clue. And that speaks for 98% of them. They think they know what Mr Davis is doing and they comment like they know but they don’t………..period

    And I’m suppose to listen to these sheep. Winning in the NFL is very tough. It takes and enire organization galvanized to one purpose and then you need mature talent and we don’t have that yet. So we’re stuggling to win and until that changes we will struggle. Cable has done as god a job as he can under the circumstances. Now we’ll see what happens with the team getting healthy. But it’s closer than most think. So we’ll see. 95% of these guy’s just come in here to vent. Vent, but don’t act as though you KNOW.

  • priesttj

    Actually he has access to your mothers rear and your Dad’s.

  • Richochet

    # priesttj Says:
    November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    And there ar least 10 possible coaches for each and every team. There’s 5 coaches right here right now that would take this job in a heartbeat. Just for starters.

    RICHOCHET: Of course they would. It’s called getting foot in door, you dumbass. Shanahan. Went elsewhere, and won a SB..Gruden..went elsewhere and won a SB. Any asst will take job. I’m sorry..but WHERE’S THE GREAT COACHES YOU MENTIONED? There are none..that’s why you’ll avoid this post, lol..won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole..because you know I’ll school your ass.

    ################################3

    Big Al is not in the least bit interested in Gruden……….period

    RICHOCHET: Only thing you said that’s true. Rest is BS.
    Chuckie got the last laugh with Al. Al looked like a total freaking idiot in that deal. Al never forgets or forgives. Chuckie wants Al as much as Al wants chuckie, which is only in the line of fire.

    #############################

    Also if I were a betting man if you could make the allegations about Cable disappear he would prefer Cable over a lot of the coaches that are out there. Cable has a long way to go to get to where he’s going to be he’s learning fast but still a long way to go.

    RICHOCHET: lmfao…damn, that was ignorant. Cable is a tree stump. Worst HC in the league, bar none. Figures you would say that, fool.
    #################################################

    He loved Gruden getting credit but not at the EXPENSE of the team.

    RICHOCHET: LIAR. you can’t post one single thing from one single source. You just made that up.

  • Richochet

    # priesttj Says:
    November 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    John Madden is one of Mr Davis’s best friends and Madden is wildly famous.

    RICHOCHET: BULL****. Best friends make time for each other. Help each other out. Madden has nothing to do with Al. Showed up to watch practice. Showed up at a game. That has NOTHING to do with Al. Madden took a position with the league, even though it’s obvious Al needs his help. Again, no one wants anything to do with Al.
    ##############################

    Truth be told you rarely hear from Mr Davis all through the Gruden tenure. Nobody ever heard from him. Same thing now he rarely if ever makes an appearance and people still perpetuate this myth. Mr Davis wants to win………period Helll you’d hardly know he was the owner if the media wasn’t so freaking obsessed with him.

    RICHOCHET: Blind sorry lemming that you be..Yeah, NOW he’s old, needs a walker, but doesn’t stop him from meddling, does it?

    See, even during Gruden’s tenure, Al used to ride out onto the field on his golf cart, DURING PRACTICE, and call all the players over. What? You didn’t know about that? Thought you were..you know..”in with the team at practices’?? You didn’t know Al would decide to give lessons to the defense on how to play their positions? Did the same during Shell, Turner..before he had trouble moving, talking, and thinking.

    And BUTTING OUT? lol..you idiot. Who hired the assts? NOT THE HEAD COACH, FOOL..was Al. See, in EVERY OTHER TEAM the HC’s hires his team..but..not Al. HE HIRED THEM, and THEN hired Cable.

    Press conferences to announce signings? WHO RUNS THOSE? The head coach..there’s Singletary talking about the Niners signing Crabtree..who announced Seymour? AL DAVIS, NOT Cable. Who did ALL THE TALKING? Al “Meddling” Davis..NOT THE HEAD COACH.

    Who benched Russell? Well?? come on you spineless worm…WHO BENCHED HIM? Hint: Before the team got into the locker room, AFTER the game, Cable had already KNOWN WHO WAS STARTING THE FOLLOWING WEEK, and stupidly stated it..making it very clear on who’s decision it was.
    You, being a flea, won’t state it..will you? lol.

    Ok, dumbass..try this one on..Norv announced Tui was the starter for the final 4 games..EVEN NORV ADMITTED AL OVERRULED HIM..and put back in Collins..who lost the remaining games..that’s CALLED BUTTING IN, MORON.

    Get the point? You don’t have a clue.

    Ok…as salt in the wound? Kiffin announces he’s letting Ryan go. See, that’s what head coaches do..decide their team..except Al ANNOUNCES TO ALL that “I fire coaches, and Only me.”

    Pretty funny watching you soil yourself over the old man.

    10 years from now? Raider will still be setting the “consecutive double digit loss” record, and you’ll be STILL saying “It’s NOT AL’S FAULT..IT’S NOT…IT’S NOOOOOT”

    And we’ll still be laughing at ya.

  • Richochet

    You’ve just been schooled, Priest.

    Now, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW this is where you tuck your tail between your legs..and say “oh..damn..uh..well, you SUCK” or some other meek retort that makes it very clear you are, in fact, dumber than cotton.

    Yep, lol..still laughing at ya.

    Now..worm..fetal position…GO.

    Good boy.

  • lefty12

    i keep reading those on here that say nothing but the Raiders will never win as long as Davis is alive and in control.they also acknowledge he isn’t going anywhere.well,if you KNOW we won’t win,and you despise the person running things,why do you waste so much of your time here repeating the EXACT SAME THING over and over EVERY phucking day.go root for some other team that WILL win,like happy troll who is a Browns fan.because according to you guys nothing is going to change.also,why the push by the gang mentality crowd to tell Priest to get lost.you may not like him,but he is a Raider fan and that is more than can be said of many of you.

  • Richochet

    # priesttj Says:
    November 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Actually he has access to your mothers rear and your Dad’s.
    =============================================
    In other words, I was right.

    Yeah..I know.

    So do you. That’s why you can’t shut up, until someone school’s you..then the meek whimper comes out.

    Don’t worry..I’m just SURE you want to..you know..man up and clear up your idiot comments that I just torched. NO DOUBT you’ll just “put me in my place”..right?

    I’ll repaste the challenges for ya..you know..because no doubt you’ll “forget” :)

  • Richochet

    ROFLMFAO that at the first sign of adversity, Priest did, in fact, tuck tail, jumped in fetal position, and meekly left.

    Yep..a worm.

  • Plunketthead

    alisgod Says:
    November 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
    I think the reality is Al needs Gruden, Gruden needs Al. I think they are a good fit for each other. There will never be another franchise that excites Gruden the way the Raiders and its nation have in the past and future for him.
    ********************************************

    Good job Al
    short, sweet, simple. Sums it up nicely.

  • Plunketthead

    I have been a Harbaugh fan for a long time. I think he and Al fit, sorta like Gruden.

    I would like to see Cable pull it out, though.

  • gilbert

    Lefty12,post273,good hearing from you and I agree that some like to gang up on Priesttj,and we all know who they are,I always read what Priest has to say ,among others on this blog.That being said,many that post I just SKIP over,the haters,same things being said over and over and over!Now Lefty,what would be youre take on Gruden and Allen returning to the Oakland Raiders?

  • raiderzmaverick

    Priest – I do have a question for you. Who do you feel should be held culpable (responsible) for the last 7 years?

    And, if the success was not caused by Gruden and/or Allen what changed during the short Gruden Era which went against that trend and brought about the success which we are not doing now. Remember, the Gruden took over was for a 5-11 or 4-12 Joe Bugel team.

  • lefty12

    Gilbert,i have never been a huge Chuckie fan.I feel Cable should be given more time.we really can’t judge him with the ‘kids’ we are putting out on the field now and a QB who has a lot of growing up to do.that being said,if Gruden was to come back,it should be as a coach only.he should not have total say over the roster.i don’t think it is just coincidence that both teams he has coached and had say over the roster have been terrible after he was let go.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Personally, I hope that Cable pulls through and has success towards the end of this year and then hires a good O-Coordinator next year.

    I don’t know if the likely hood of that is too high….maybe things to click. I’d love to see that happen. Now, in the case that doesn’t happen (which I think about 98% of the fans on this site wouldn’t believe that suddenly we win 5 or 6 of the last 8 games) then we will be looking for a new coach.

    And in that situation, I’m not sure if I’d rather go with a Gruden (who knows the ropes here and is passionate as hell as a coach) or someone fresh.

    The truth is that it appears we do have a lot of top names turning down the position. So, I don’t know our options.

    What I do think is that it has to be someone who can stand his ground and teach his style of football get that implemented. And we need somoene who’s a good teacher offensively as we have a heck of a lot of younger players on offense.

  • Dude

    Funny how Lefty says hes never been a fan of the guy who brought respectability to a team that was in the abyss before he came and is in the abyss now that hes gone. Weird. Never been a fan of the guy who made Raider football fun again. Hmmm… But then the cat will sit and reem out guys who are screaming for change and know success will never come with Al Davis in charge. Its almost as if Lefty REALLY dznt care if the Raiders win as long as AD is around doing things the “Raider” way.

  • lefty12

    how do we know if we need a new OC?what we need is for our QB to KNOW the whole playbook so it can be utilized.when the year started Cable admitted our QB didn’t have a total grasp of the playbook,and since then he has admitted they condensed it even more.

  • gilbert

    Lefty12,post280,ok,see youre point.Appeared to me that Allen did a good job of being a buffer between Gruden and Al while in Oakland,not sure what Allens impact was in Tampa Bay.Guess my question would be,WHO should control the 53 man roster if not Gruden,Allen,or Al? another Gm hire? I can hear Jerry now,you all are just dreaming

  • lefty12

    i’m not a big Davis fan either,but until the last 7 years he won.Gruden won but i didn’t necessarily like his Off. but i liked his winning.Tampa is now in abyss after Chuckie also.how many of the draft choices from Chuckie 1 are making an impact on our team today?

  • Dude

    Lefty,

    1) You REALLY think Gruden was making draft picks?? Come on bro, you aint that silly.

    2) He won. He changed the culture of the Raiders whole organization. The Raiders were NOT a winning team before he came aboard.If you really care about winning you would hold the guy in higher regard.

  • lefty12

    Gilbert,i think,but don’t know for sure,that Allen would also go to Davis when Gruden wanted something and lobby for it.he wasn’t a true GM as much as a cap guy and as you say-buffer.whatever they did it worked for a short period of time,but we have been paying for it since,just as TB is now paying.

  • lefty12

    we’ve had 9 losing seasons since 1989 and 6 of those since we went to the SB earlier this decade,so how can someone say we were not a winning team before he got here?OH,so Davis got him all those players he won with?

  • lefty12

    BTW,i said if he was to return,it should be as HC only,but like so many of these egotists now-a-days,he wants total control and when he had it in TB he left a decimated mess.

  • Dude

    Before Gruden came in the Raiders were 9-7, 8-8,7-9 and 4-12. Thats winning?? Gruden brought in alot of guys to fit his system in free agency that were the foundation for the success. Al Davis obviously had a part in the success but I believe Gruden won in SPITE of Al Davis and has been the only coach in the last decade to do so.

  • Dude

    Gruden say he wanted “total control or are you just assuming??

  • lefty12

    Gruden got Davis thru Allen to bring in those old FAs.Davis got them.he had to because he runs everything,remember.he doesn’t designate any authority,remember.everything else you say is true,but i don’t consider 9-7 or 8-8 losing seasons,especially after the last 6(7) years.hell,7-9 looks pretty good these days.i’m not sure,but didn’t we make the play-offs the year we went 9-7?

  • lefty12

    did he want total control?-isn’t that what Jerry reported in the above article-he wanted control over the 53 man roster(i disagree) and he wanted control over his coaching staff(i do agree with that).as far as now,i don’t believe he has discussed the job with Davis,so who knows.

  • gilbert

    Lefty12,post288,wont deny that the Super Bowls were all under AL,but so has the losing of the last six goin on seven years,Lefty,my point is we need a GM ,WHETHER it is Allen,Chuckie team,or someone else!Remember the presser where Mr Davis stated that he was goin bring someone in ,a football guy for help!Well,where is that person? I,like many,will always be a fan of Mr Davis,but the Silver and Black must get help for the front office ,now,now,now Raiders!!!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    I just want a damn competitive team! I had no illusions that this was a playoff team. But certainly I thought that this team could take the next step and get to .500 or close to it.

    they just have too many games where THEY ARE NOT COMPETITIVE.

    Look, I accept what Al Davis insists on doing and the way he runs the team.

    But how long do we have to endure an offense that’s not even competent?

    A Qb that is incompetent?

    RBs that are a bunch of busts…and Fargas…all 50 yds per game….is considered a star

    No wide receivers and an offensive line that has two competent players (Gallery, HEnderson)

    Just quit with the the 30+ to 0 blowouts at home and I will be happy.

    I don’t expect them to win games. But I do expect them to compete!

  • lefty12

    Gilbert,i totally agree.i don’t know if we have to call the guy a GM,but we do need someone to help and advise the old man,someone he would listen to.many say it should be Madden,but in reality he is almost as old as Davis plus i don’t think he wants to do that much work.his ‘job’ with the NFL is watching and advising-pretty much a do nothing thing.we need a young football mind the old coot will listen to.

  • Dude

    SnB,

    What made you think they would be a 500 club?
    Why should they compete? Seriously. The have a HORRIBLE QB, a HORRIBLE o-line, HORRIBLE WRs, below avg DL, avg LBs and HORRIBLE coaching. Y SHOULD they be competitive.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Lefty12,

    What Davis needs to do is let the coach manage his staff and the starting lineup on gameday.

    That’s all. If he insists on messing up the draft or bringing in his kind of free agents…then fine.

    But let the doggone coach instill discipline on the players. Let the coach pick his staff and MANAGE his staff.

    Tell the owner to stop meddling in the day-to-day stuff. If he wants to be GM, fine…but let the damn coach own his staff and choose who starts and doesn’t start.

    No more scholarship players…and players showing up overweight..and when they do…let the coach manage the situation

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Dude Says:
    November 7th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    SnB,

    What made you think they would be a 500 club?
    Why should they compete? Seriously. The have a HORRIBLE QB, a HORRIBLE o-line, HORRIBLE WRs, below avg DL, avg LBs and HORRIBLE coaching. Y SHOULD they be competitive.
    =====================================================
    Because the league is average. Any team that puts forth an honest effort should be competitive in just about every game they play..with the exception of playing the truly great teams.

    I don’t know about you…but I choose to spend my Sundays watching football…and the Raiders are part of that. I would like to watch a competitive game each week. I thought last week was outstanding. It kept my interest for 4QTRs.

    They might not win..but thy should be able to compete

  • Dude

    No, in reality, they shouldnt. They are a bad team and for the most part a bad team will not compete in the NFL week to week.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Dude,

    I think professionals should have pride and respect for what they do. My definition of competitive is keeping the game within 2-scores into the 4th QTR.

    The RAiders…with all of their serious flaws…should be able to that against most teams. Now, they may still get blown out in the end….but they should be able to do what I just said if they are truly professionals…which I sometimes question with the B.S that comes out of that place

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    2 Starting Rookie Wide Receivers and a Rookie WR Coach?

    Does that make sense?

  • lefty12

    i saw Tenn. get beat by almost 50 points in a game this year.when things start to snowball against you early in the game,blowouts happen more than many realize-even to the good teams of which we are not one of.

  • gilbert

    Lefty12,talk at ya later,kids are here! Have a good weekend,looks like pizza is the choice,take care RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!