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		<title>By: Jerry McD: Ellis, N. Miller not practicing - Oakland Raiders Forum &#124; Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry McD: Ellis, N. Miller not practicing - Oakland Raiders Forum &#124; Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The RaiderCast &#124; Ellis, N. Miller not practicing</title>
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		<dc:creator>The RaiderCast &#124; Ellis, N. Miller not practicing</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Richochet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richochet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  LA to TheBay Says:
November 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

MR, checked out your responses to my posts last night. Lol, you are so hell bent on misery its sad. First off, I blog from work, so when I leave, I go home. Because you have no girl doesn’t mean others can’t either.

RICHOCHET: Just means you can&#039;t afford a computer at home, or hookup. 
This is where you state &quot;Oh, I could have a computer if I want, but I choose not to&quot;..then we all can laugh at you.

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Secondly, I don’t credit Betsy Ross for any real American achievement, as that flag has been changed several times since, whereas the Raiders unis have not. Besides, I said they were the best unis in football, not that Davis deserved anything other than recognition for them and only for that matter. Stop letting your hate for Davis cloud your judgement. They are the best uniforms, IMO. Get over it.

RICHOCHET: First off, Raider uniforms HAVE changed, but..you wouldn&#039;t know that, would you? Secondly, only Raider fan runs the &quot;they&#039;re the best uniforms&quot;. No one else does, ever. It&#039;s black. it&#039;s white. It&#039;s blase&#039;. It&#039;s boring. Shows no imagination. And now, contrary to what YOU have stated, they&#039;re NOT scary. They don&#039;t intimidate. 

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Lastly, I don’t disagree with you that Davis is a snake, but he’s my snake. He built my team. Ron Wolf or not, Jon Gruden or not. LA to TheBay doesn’t backpedal. I clarify. You said Gruden didn’t have to win with the Vertical offense, and therefore didn’t have to use the Davis Way. My point was that Gruden did have to use the roster in place. He went 8-8 and got enough pull to sign Gannon. They went 8-8 AGAIN, but had a watershed victory to close the season.

Hence, he won with the Davis Way (I doubt very much the defense was a Gruden thing).

He was then able to sign the players he wanted, or at least get rid of those he didn’t.

I know you hate Al Davis (the guy who built your favorite team – deny if you must), but don’t let it cloud your judgement too much.

RICHOCHET: you&#039;re such a spineless flea. see...YOU RAN THE &#039;Al Davis IS THE RAIDERS. Everything about the Raiders is Al, and if you don&#039;t love Al, GO SUPPORT ANOTHER TEAM.&quot;

Makes you a flea. A gumbyesque no backbone flea.

Want to see &quot;clouded judgment&quot;??
You state &quot;Al built this team&quot; Actually, he didn&#039;t. As you stated quality guys like Wolf and Allen did their jobs. Al bought the team (actually scammed) and now is destroying the team. Your &quot;clouded judgment&quot; prevents you from viewing the last 25 years, while dwelling on ancient history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  LA to TheBay Says:<br />
November 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm</p>
<p>MR, checked out your responses to my posts last night. Lol, you are so hell bent on misery its sad. First off, I blog from work, so when I leave, I go home. Because you have no girl doesn’t mean others can’t either.</p>
<p>RICHOCHET: Just means you can&#8217;t afford a computer at home, or hookup.<br />
This is where you state &#8220;Oh, I could have a computer if I want, but I choose not to&#8221;..then we all can laugh at you.</p>
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<p>Secondly, I don’t credit Betsy Ross for any real American achievement, as that flag has been changed several times since, whereas the Raiders unis have not. Besides, I said they were the best unis in football, not that Davis deserved anything other than recognition for them and only for that matter. Stop letting your hate for Davis cloud your judgement. They are the best uniforms, IMO. Get over it.</p>
<p>RICHOCHET: First off, Raider uniforms HAVE changed, but..you wouldn&#8217;t know that, would you? Secondly, only Raider fan runs the &#8220;they&#8217;re the best uniforms&#8221;. No one else does, ever. It&#8217;s black. it&#8217;s white. It&#8217;s blase&#8217;. It&#8217;s boring. Shows no imagination. And now, contrary to what YOU have stated, they&#8217;re NOT scary. They don&#8217;t intimidate. </p>
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<p>Lastly, I don’t disagree with you that Davis is a snake, but he’s my snake. He built my team. Ron Wolf or not, Jon Gruden or not. LA to TheBay doesn’t backpedal. I clarify. You said Gruden didn’t have to win with the Vertical offense, and therefore didn’t have to use the Davis Way. My point was that Gruden did have to use the roster in place. He went 8-8 and got enough pull to sign Gannon. They went 8-8 AGAIN, but had a watershed victory to close the season.</p>
<p>Hence, he won with the Davis Way (I doubt very much the defense was a Gruden thing).</p>
<p>He was then able to sign the players he wanted, or at least get rid of those he didn’t.</p>
<p>I know you hate Al Davis (the guy who built your favorite team – deny if you must), but don’t let it cloud your judgement too much.</p>
<p>RICHOCHET: you&#8217;re such a spineless flea. see&#8230;YOU RAN THE &#8216;Al Davis IS THE RAIDERS. Everything about the Raiders is Al, and if you don&#8217;t love Al, GO SUPPORT ANOTHER TEAM.&#8221;</p>
<p>Makes you a flea. A gumbyesque no backbone flea.</p>
<p>Want to see &#8220;clouded judgment&#8221;??<br />
You state &#8220;Al built this team&#8221; Actually, he didn&#8217;t. As you stated quality guys like Wolf and Allen did their jobs. Al bought the team (actually scammed) and now is destroying the team. Your &#8220;clouded judgment&#8221; prevents you from viewing the last 25 years, while dwelling on ancient history.</p>
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		<title>By: Plunketthead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plunketthead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dirty

You need some help in the yahoo league.
If I lose to 408 this week, I will trade you Miles Austin and Adrian Peterson.</description>
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<p>You need some help in the yahoo league.<br />
If I lose to 408 this week, I will trade you Miles Austin and Adrian Peterson.</p>
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		<title>By: LA to TheBay</title>
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		<dc:creator>LA to TheBay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cut the whole team?

How about have input on who is brought in?

Extremeism is dangerous, young man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cut the whole team?</p>
<p>How about have input on who is brought in?</p>
<p>Extremeism is dangerous, young man.</p>
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		<title>By: TrueRaider</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrueRaider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prediction

AL Davis starts DHB and Schillens.

Murphy will be third wide out.</description>
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<p>AL Davis starts DHB and Schillens.</p>
<p>Murphy will be third wide out.</p>
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		<title>By: LA to TheBay</title>
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		<dc:creator>LA to TheBay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR, I think you and I can agree that Gruden was able to challenge Davis and have success.

That was one of the major points of my post.  In order to buck the system, you must gain credibility.  To get credibility, you have to win, or at least break even.

Once Gruden did that, he was allowed to build the team, with Al&#039;s supervision.

Name me a coach that was allowed that kind of freedom.

Please don&#039;t say Kiffin.  Yes, he double the win total in his first season.  From two to four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR, I think you and I can agree that Gruden was able to challenge Davis and have success.</p>
<p>That was one of the major points of my post.  In order to buck the system, you must gain credibility.  To get credibility, you have to win, or at least break even.</p>
<p>Once Gruden did that, he was allowed to build the team, with Al&#8217;s supervision.</p>
<p>Name me a coach that was allowed that kind of freedom.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t say Kiffin.  Yes, he double the win total in his first season.  From two to four.</p>
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		<title>By: HairyBush</title>
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		<dc:creator>HairyBush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are a few good 16 year olds out there. your on the short list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are a few good 16 year olds out there. your on the short list.</p>
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		<title>By: The Real MaddenRaider</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Real MaddenRaider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LatotheBay, you have no way of knowing rather Gruden had to win 8 games in order to get Gannon.  Yes, Gruden had to play with &quot;davis&#039;s roster&quot; because it was his first year here.  You&#039;re making the point that Gruden did things Davis&#039;s way because Gruden didn&#039;t CUT THE ENTIRE TEAM?   What logic.  Go home and walk your girl.  I&#039;ll get back to you later tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LatotheBay, you have no way of knowing rather Gruden had to win 8 games in order to get Gannon.  Yes, Gruden had to play with &#8220;davis&#8217;s roster&#8221; because it was his first year here.  You&#8217;re making the point that Gruden did things Davis&#8217;s way because Gruden didn&#8217;t CUT THE ENTIRE TEAM?   What logic.  Go home and walk your girl.  I&#8217;ll get back to you later tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: 16yearsold16yearfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>16yearsold16yearfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hairybush dont hate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hairybush dont hate</p>
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