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Surprise! Ellis had shoulder surgery, too

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, November 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News and notes following coach Tom Cable’s post practice press briefing Wednesday as the Raiders prepare to host the Kansas City Chiefs:

– Defensive end Greg Ellis didn’t practice Wednesday following arthroscopic surgery. Or was that surgeries? Turns out doctors fixed more than just his knee.

“They worked on both the knee and the shoulder,” Cable said. “Everything is coming along fine, it’s just a matter of whether there’s enough time.”

Cable said if Ellis can practice by Friday, he could conceivably play. If not, rookie Matt Shaughnessy would make his first NFL start at left end.

– Ricky Schmitt, who punted for the Raiders during training camp and finished last season on the practice squad, was on the field as practice concluded, booming kicks to Johnnie Lee Higgins and practice squad returner Shaun Bodiford.

Why would Schmitt even be around, given that Shane Lechler is on pace to break Sammy Baugh’s all-time record for punting average at 52.3 yards per kick?

“Just to see if he’s had some workouts and he’s kicking better,” Cable said.

Of course, Chiefs punter Dustin Colquitt, like Schmitt, is left-footed, and it gives Higgins a chance to field a kick which comes with a different spin. And if Higgins looks shaky enough, the Raiders could always activate Bodiford.

– Predictably, and wisely, Cable isn’t about to delve into the details of how he will use Chaz Schilens and Darren McFadden, two important pieces to the offensive puzzle who went through the entirety of practice Wednesday with no limitations and are on schedule to play, if not start.

“I’m kind of messing around with personnel and how I’m going to start it and all that,” Cable said.

– The Raiders will prepare defensively this week without consideration of Larry Johnson, who rushed for 938 yards on 222 carries in 10 games against the Raiders dating back to 2004 and scored 12 touchdowns (11 rushing).

The Chiefs are ranked 24th in rushing offense, and will utilize some combination of Jamal Charles, Dantrell Savage and Kolby Smith. Smith had 31 carries for 150 yards as a rookie against the Raiders in 2007 in a game won 20-17 by Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“They still have good runners,” Cable said. “It’s not like they’re going to change their system of their scheme. The runner they got is a good player. Larry was a very good player. So, it impacts it to some degree. But in this business, it’s the next man up.”

Linebacker Kirk Morrison and cornerback Chris Johnson both expect the Chiefs to try and get their smaller, shiftier runners in space rather than pound ahead as they did with Larry Johnson.

– Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel will start his second game in Oakland, having beaten the Raiders 49-26 as a member of the Patriots last season. He completed 18 of 30 passes for 218 yards, four touchdowns and one interception.

“That game in particular was a pretty emotional game for me,” Cassel told Bay Area reporters by conference call. “My father just passed away that Wednesday and we went in and it’s quite a place to play but for me personally it was quite an experience and quite a game. I was able to honor him in a nice way by us getting the victory there with the Patriots.”

– Claiming Chris Chambers off waivers from San Diego paid immediate dividends as he caught two touchdown passes in his first game. By claiming his contract, the Chiefs are obligated to pay the remainder of Chambers’ salary this season.

Before Chambers was claimed, Cable said the Raiders wouldn’t be interested “because of who we’ve got there.”

“He’s a veteran player in the league. Any place he would have went he probably would make an impact,” Raiders cornerback Chris Johnson said. “I’m not really surprised.”

– While Cable insists he “can see the mountain top” with regard to his team turning things around, Chiefs coach Todd Haley went for straight reality.

“I wish I had that sense,” Haley said. Nah, as a coach, you can just point it out. We’re 0-3 in games decided by seven points or less. That hurts, obviously. That means there’s little things on each side of the ball in each of those games that could have made a difference in winning instead of losing. So we’ve just got to continue to focus on doing all the little things right all the time, not part of the time, Keep them focused and concentrating throughout a game in order to have a win.”

— The only players who didn’t practice other than Ellis were wide receiver/return specialist Nick Miller (broken tibia) and linebacker Ricky Brown (ankle).

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  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Where’s Brandon Myers? He’s 2 for 2 in passes thrown his way. Hopefully Cable rediscovered the 2-TE set during the bye week.

    Did Russell and the receivers work together at all during the bye or did they just go home and chill out?

    This K.C game is no slam dunk. K.C has been more competitive this year than Oakland this year. The Raiders better bring their version of the A game.

    And play Chaz Schilens as many snaps as possible. We’ve seen enough from the rookie experiment.

  • Raider Dell

    Dude

    You never lie? I guess you must be a man of your words.

    So let me ask you this, since you never lie, help me out with this decision. I know your answer will be the truth.

    What ice cream should I have at this time, Mocha Almond Fudge, Rocky Road, Double Fudge Brownie.

    Please think like you were about to grab some, I know you would never lie.

  • Dude

    My exact bet with Nevada was he would be starting game 1 vs SD. BARRING INJURY! The quote your posting is the aftermath. Nice try though. Never mind the fact that the dude has the most carries on the club and basically is the starter. You make yourself look like such an idiot holding on sooooo tight to one comment that you are taking completely out of context and making it your little battle cry because you have NOTHING else. Once again I have been proven right.

    Lets try this again… Who is leading the Raiders in carries and rushing yards? Simple question. Simple answer.

  • alisgod

    For a guy who runs around claiming everyone is a liar….I offer the following post.

    1. Dude Says:
    April 14th, 2009 at 8:12 am
    Man alot of you guys are going to be crying in your cheerios when Fargas is starting next year. LOL.

    uh Dudette…where in this post are you saying when healthy?

    2. Dude Says:
    October 19th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    Yesterday was a nice win against a half way decent team.

    3. Dude Says:
    October 19th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
    The fact that the Raiders beat them surely takes them off the “Good” level…

    uhh Dudette….Yep now he says he never claimed the Eagles were no good.

    You’re right we’re all liars. (sarcasm and cough cough)

  • Dude

    Delliar,

    Maybe the most rediculous post of all time.

  • Dude

    Your the big Post finder. Find it.

    You claimed I said the Eagles “sucked”. I didnt. Period. The Eagles havent proven they are a good/great team yet. The fact that they lost to the Raiders is a huge stain on their record. More lying from Aliarisgod.

  • Dude

    Still waiting for the answer……

    Carries
    Yards

  • alisgod

    SnB,

    The real issue this year has been Cable’s poor gameplanning around his talent on the O. We’ve been compettitive in games we play to our level of talent on the O. I mean like not calling 4 vert inside our own 10 yard lines. All of our blownouts happen when we play aggressive with our playcalling. When we move the chain all the sudden the game is much more competitive…regardless of how many points we score.

    KC is no cakewalk like alot of people is thinking on here. I believe we will do alright if we stick to a similar conservative gameplan against SD.

  • Dude

    Is he starting..Nope.
    Is he getting the most carries…Yep.
    Is he the defacto starter…Yep

    Never said I didnt thump my chest bout SC….So what if I did?

  • raidasteve

    Dear Coach Cable,

    That “mountain top” you see is actually a cliff.

    signed,

    Reality

  • Dude

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the lil beatch is runnin as per usual. Bye bye beatch. Dont forget to lock the door to your trailer and throw away the Natty ice cans. Ni Ni lil liar.

  • Dude

    Alisgod,

    Remember when you said the Jets and Raiders were basically even on offense and defense?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Alisgod,

    Cable’s playcalling has been atrocious. All the guy had to do was keep tweek the playbook and continue calling games similiar to the way they did last year.

    Cable was insistent on leaving his mark. He is the offensive coordinator. Ridiculous.

    Look, throwing short passes and moving the chains is the right strategy. But we won’t see that.

    Look, I accept all of that. I just want to see 4QTRs of hard work. I don’t even care about the result. Give me 4QTRs of hard work and mental discipline. No stupid penalties.

    I’ll be happy with that!

    They are not good enough to feel overly optimistic about playing anyone. They have to have their collective heads down and start grinding.

  • hwnrdr

    Wow..that is all I got to say. What has become of this blog?
    Anyways…KC will be a challenge. Its been long time since the Raiders actually put a team away where us fans can walk away in the middle of the 4th and know that we were still victorious. But…
    Who will show up this Sunday? That is what will make it or break it on Sunday! (And I am talking about the team)

  • Dude

    SnB,

    Only a team with real leaders would come out and play like you want. This team is lacking leaders in the 2 most important spots: Head coach and QB.

  • islandraider

    Agree 100%. But I feel it all rests on the qb. Granted him and cable need to figure it out, but is jr going to put in the work needed to compete on every play, 4 qtrs.? Does the rest of the team have faith in him? Can he make something from a busted play? Just as equal as cables bad callings, so it is jr cannot execute the plays, along with the rest of them. JR needs to inspire the fire in these guys so they can compete, not give it up. Less clubbin, more time on the practice field, in the film room, and take the playbook home and read it.

  • hwnrdr

    I agree Islandriader! Only once did any of us read that he came in an hour earlier. Did it help? Granted, Higgins and Murphy ran into each other on that 3rd and forever play…but, what kind of call is it that tells a WR to volley the ball to another WR? Did Cable actually call that? Wow…that’s just as bad as asking Jano to run for a first down (last year vs the Chiefs). Having said that, you’re right, both Cable and JaMarcus need to get it together!!!

  • hwnrdr

    BTW: What Island are you from?

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  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Islandraider,

    Your last post highlights why I have given up on winning. There is no way a Mike Tomlin or Bill Belicheck would put up with a team filled withplayers that don’t work….don’t do the basics….do even try to be great.

    The players should at least play hard…if they are not prepared….

    Just stop getting blown out every other week.

  • islandraider

    Camano Island, WA. It’s pretty evident that somethings really wrong by the way they perform on Sundays. Sure there is some youth, but I don’t buy that. Competing 4 qtrs would be progress. A work in progress? A healthy show of competing is all we ask for. Pathetic, sad but true. I do believe if they can compete week in and out, the wins will follow. They have to. They must. It’s our only hope.

  • gilbert

    Hello,fellas,just got home and having a vodka on the rocks,followed by a vodka cranberry,in a very tall glass!anyway,after reading the posts of the day,Lonetree and silver-n-smac kicked butt,on EVERY post that I read!!!!!!!Any way,see you all at the game Sunday,four home games left,and I will be at each game,and taking friends w/ME, RAIDERS!!!!!!!

  • Raider Raul

    JaMarcus Russell has NEVER thrown for over 300yards in a game in his career…NEVER. Not in College, not in the Pros, not even in High School. Look it up…it’s TRUE.

  • priesttj

    SnB, I think you really have it figured out. I’m not being funny I really think that. Before you learn how to win you must learn to compete. Once you’ve seen this team compete on a consistent basis the wins will follow. They will manifest themselves. Over the past years this team will come out like gangbusters some games and others you wonder who stole the uniforms. Inconsistency and immaturity has been the hallmark of this team in recent years.

    When they demonstarte that they’re ready and willling to compete at a high level everytime out they will not win……….period

    If you look at two examples of this in Denver and Cincinnati all your looking at is teams that compete game in and game out until the final whistle blows and then they look at the score board and they’re usually on top.

    I learned this a long time ago if you compete on every play the other team will quit and give you the game. More often than not teams lose games much mre than they win them. So the team that compete for 4 qrtrs will win a lot of games. Just on that alone. Most games except for this year are won in the 4th qrtr. Which means the mentally tougher teams win a large % of the time.

    We have beaten every team in the league for 3 qrtrs and give them the game in the 4th. How many times have you seen that? Forget who’s fault it is, this is firt and foremost a team game. Teams win individuals lose…….period

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Priesttj,

    I am very serious too. This team is not as far along as I thought they were at the start of the season. Quite frankly, that falls on Coach Cable. How a team competes one week and completely disappears the next is beyond me. They should have run a boot camp this past summer…instead of a Club Med.

    This team needed to be pushed and prodded with an almost ruthless focus on getting the fundamentals right. The fundamentals have killed us. O-Line miscues, QB not getting them lined up, route running, defensive assignments and on and on.

    So right now, they have to focus on the basics. Nothing exotic or sophisticated (tell Tom Cable to dial down the playcalling too) and just get this team into some type of rhythm that can be sustained.

  • gilbert

    Ok,Alisgod and Raiderdell are doin a great job as well,as usual! Just caught up w/ the later posts,wondering if the local haters would like to tailgate with us,over a hundred RAIDER FANS ,having a great time,join us ,haters,cuz I believe NONE of you haters even go to the games,period

  • gilbert

    You all carry on,talk with you Thursday,out

  • http://atm Raider O

    Happy V Day! I appreciate what our troops do for us, but too bad our gov has it’s own agenda.

  • http://atm Raider O

    RAIDERS!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    I’m the Lizard King, and I can do anything!

    Legalize it!

  • http://atm Raider O

    I wrote Pestesize instead of pesticide in my WPA exam. Dude will enjoy this one.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Priesttj

    When’s the last time the Raiders developed a Quarterback?

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    ” O-Line miscues, QB not getting them lined up, route running, defensive assignments and on and on.”
    ______________________

    Like clockwork for the past 7 years.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Priest

    I don’t understand it, if there’s so much innate knowledge in that building, why haven’t they been able to develop a QB in the last 41 years?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    7 straight seasons over in early November. Al Davis is a genius!

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Gilbert, 100 Raider fans at your tailgate? Yeh, right! The attendance barely breaks 100 any more.

  • Nnamdi21

    Priest J: I agree it seems like we give away game in the 4th but the real cuprit is an anemic offense incapable of scoring TDs. Terrible offense has hobbled a pass rush cover D. when teams can sit on the clock and run the ball, were doomed. If the offense can answer and score TD’s wer’e in it when the clock fades and they have to pass.Advantage us. UNLESS our offense can’t get in the end zone without hundreds of plays between…

  • Nnamdi21

    KoolKell Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    Priesttj

    When’s the last time the Raiders developed a Quarterback?

    ====================

    Tom Flores? Seriously do you count Plunkett?

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Oakland Raider QB’s drafted

    JaMarcus Russell 07
    Andrew Walter 05
    Marques Tuiasosopo 01
    Billy Joe Hobert
    Todd Maronvich
    Steve Beurlein
    Jeff Francis
    Rusty Hilger
    Marc Wilson
    Jeff Blount
    Ken Stabler

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    As you can see the track record isn’t very good, so far as the Raiders developing their own Quarterbacks.

  • 504 Raider

    Raider Raul Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    JaMarcus Russell has NEVER thrown for over 300yards in a game in his career…NEVER. Not in College, not in the Pros, not even in High School. Look it up…it’s TRUE.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    “I just think,” LSU coach Les Miles said, “I’ve got the best quarterback in the country.”

    Certainly he had the best on this night. The 6-foot-6, 257-pound Russell completed 21 of 34 passes for 332 yards and two touchdowns. He also had his first rushing score of the season and set up another TD with a 31-yard pass.

    This was after his last college game vs. Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. Didn’t have to look too far.

  • 504 Raider

    Russell just needs to lose some weight and get some WRs that can catch the ball.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx1iaBhEujY&feature=fvw

    #80 Dwayne Bowe- 1st rnd Chiefs
    #3 Buster Davis- 1st rnd Chargers
    #9 Early Doucet- 3rd rnd Cardinals

  • priesttj

    If you watch that video 504, the first thing you notice is his confidence in the players around him and how free he’s playing. He is sure of himself and those around him. The guy’s around him are making plays. I remember the fisrt time I saw this kid I said whoever gets this kid in 3-4 years is going to win a lot of games and championships.

    He also is about 15 lbs. lighter and more agile than he has demonstrated so far in his pro-career. I remember when we first drafted Russell even before we drafted him I said he had thebest skill-set of any QB I had seen since Elway. His ability to throw on the run was flawless. You see glimpses of that talent from time to time now it’s just very intermittent.

    If we can evr get his confidence up to that level again and his weight down a little we will have a dominant QB for a very long time. When I say that Russell was as good a QB in the SEC as the Mannings people look at me like I have two heads but it is true.

    We haven’t seen it at this level for a variety of reasons but that doesn’t dictate the future only the past. Russell is now just turning 24 years old the age when most QB get drafted or are in their 1st year. He’s just now starting to understand what it takes to be great at this level. Hopefully the beginning of the best part of his career. I think that’s where all the optimism is coming from in these players they are seeing the work he’s putting in paying off in practice at least that’s what I’m hearing out of camp.

    So we’ll see….

  • priesttj

    Also I’ve noticed more and more that the two QB’s he is most compared to Matt Ryan and Flacco are struggling more and more because they are having to be more productive(their coaches are asking them to do more) Ryan especially has dropped off.

    They are thowing a lot of picks and can’t read defenses as well as was being made to believe. The NFL has caught up to them and the have a book on them and what they like to do. Now they have to take their game to the next level. Can they?…

  • DKnight007

    # Dude Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    SnB,

    Only a team with real leaders would come out and play like you want. This team is lacking leaders in the 2 most important spots: Head coach and QB.

    ^^^^^^^^^^Yep….and who’s fault is that? Guess who…Al DAVIS…

  • DKnight007

    # Raider Raul Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    JaMarcus Russell has NEVER thrown for over 300yards in a game in his career…NEVER. Not in College, not in the Pros, not even in High School. Look it up…it’s TRUE.

    ^^^^^^Not true….he threw for over 300 and torched ND in the bowl game his last year.

  • DKnight007

    # SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Priesttj,

    I am very serious too. This team is not as far along as I thought they were at the start of the season. Quite frankly, that falls on Coach Cable. How a team competes one week and completely disappears the next is beyond me. They should have run a boot camp this past summer…instead of a Club Med.

    This team needed to be pushed and prodded with an almost ruthless focus on getting the fundamentals right. The fundamentals have killed us. O-Line miscues, QB not getting them lined up, route running, defensive assignments and on and on.

    So right now, they have to focus on the basics. Nothing exotic or sophisticated (tell Tom Cable to dial down the playcalling too) and just get this team into some type of rhythm that can be sustained.

    ^^^^^^^^We have been saying the same crap for the past 8 weeks and Cable still hasn’t learned. The only games he did a good job of play calling was the 1dt game vs the Dolts and Philly game.

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  • Dark Forces

    JaBustus looks a LOT thinner in those college vids. I thought black was supposed to be slimming – the fat bastard.