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Tim Brown on Russell, Davis

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, November 11th, 2009 at 11:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Some comments from former Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown on an ESPN podcast with host Jeremy Green about quarterback JaMarcus Russell and owner Al Davis:

Is JaMarcus Russell the answer?

When they drafted this kid four years ago, three years ago, whatever it was, I didn’t think he was the answer then. I was asked my opinion unofficially by someone in the organization and I told them, after being at the LSU-Notre Dame game in the Sugar Bowl and watching this kid, I just didn’t think that he had what it took to come into the NFL and be productive right away.

Now if you give him three or years to learn, and get this game under his belt, yes, but he had to come in and play right away. He missed most of his rookie year, and played sparingly because of holding out, so I just don’t know. The best you’re going to get out of this kid is Daunte Culpepper and that’s nothing to shake your head at. Daunte was a pretty good quarterback in the league for awhile and is still holding on, trying to make some plays. But the flip side of this is you could get Akili Smith. And that’s the problem you have. If he’s not willing to work, and put in the time and effort to be the best, then it’s going to be very difficult.

Do they need a veteran quarterback along with him?

At this particular point, it’s going to be JaMarcus’s job. It’s his job. So you can’t think about the quarterback. But what you can think about is surrounding him with veteran players, and when you look at his surrounding cast, I think Antonio Fargas may be the oldest guy that he’s playing with, and that’s just not a good thing. When he comes off the field, they look at each other like, `What happened?’ Nobody can explain what just happened, and I think that is the biggest problem that he has is he finds out what the problem is on Monday morning.

Antonio Fargas would indeed be quite a bit older. He is Justin Fargas’ father _ the actor who played “Huggy Bear” in the television series “Starsky and Hutch.”

I even think he needs a veteran receiver on the field with him, someone who says, `Hey, man, this is what I saw. This guy is rolling up coverage, this guy is doing this’ on this play and that play. That’s the kind of interaction a quarterback needs on the field because when you’re learning stuff on the sideline or on Monday morning, it’s not going to do you any good.

Can Al Davis bring the Raiders back to respectability?

I think he can, man, but it’s just going to be impossible for him to do it by himself. Before, when Al was able to be on the field and have a presence, I mean, he had a presence. When he walked out there, everybody tied their shoes a little tighter and made sure, well, now he can’t do that. He needs to have someone to kind of do that kind of stuff for him. He can guide it, but he’s going to have someone to be his eyes and ears and feet while he can’t come down on the field any more.

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180 Responses to “Tim Brown on Russell, Davis”

  1. Mistabrown Says:

    priesttj, you give new meaning to the phrase “village idiot”. Seriously you’ve taken it to a whole new level!

  2. Mistabrown Says:

    I bet Gannon would have more valuable insight on JaMeatloaf. We’ve already heard B Esiason weigh in.

    Tim doesn’t want to burn a bridge with the old goat so he sugar coated it.

  3. priesttj Says:

    Tim still pining for a job huh! Everyone with any kind of sense knows and sees that Russell has no help. They re asking him to do something very few QB’ could pull off. The Ryans and Flacco’s have vet. help on every play even if they can’t read the defense pre-snap someone else can. The recievers are vets who know what to do under pressure. These babies have no freakin’ clue. And Fargas just got back.

    Everyone looks at Russell to lead this crap and it would take a vet of Peyton Mannings stature to pull that off. This kid is still learning how to put his pants on the right leg. But I swear if you give this kid the right tools and support he will make you a winner. I gaurantee it!! Get an Oline and playmakers and give him a veteran QB on the sideline to help him adjust to what the defense is doing to him. And he will win for you…………..period

    He has NONE OF THAT!!!

  4. Mistabrown Says:

    Thats all he needs to do is lose some weight???

    Does he need to know his playbook? Guess not..

    Does he need to be a leader? Guess not..

    Does he need to stay awake in meeting? Guess not..

    Does he need to have some pocket presence? Guess not..

    Does he need to work on his mechanics? Guess not..

    504 Raider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Russell just needs to lose some weight and get some WRs that can catch the ball.

  5. WARaider Says:

    Louis Murphy is a smack talkin cry baby. The talk would be okay if he would make more of an effort to catch the ball.

  6. Mistabrown Says:

    Poor tj!
    Theres just not enough hours in the day to preach your nonsense eh tj ? Dont ever mention AL’s meddling just blame it on the players & coaches.

    Poor Black Moses, the coach is just putting too much on his shoulders….oh wait did you say Kiffin was holding this kid back? Turn him loose right tj? Let the kid be great, right tj?
    Poor tj!

  7. MrRancho Says:

    I dont think it was suger coated even though it came from Tim Brown. It sounded pretty legit and right on the money. The problem is, who can Al trust with being his eyes and ears and not get burned in the end. Will it be a tough minded coach or a go get’em GM who can take charge and make his team instantly competetive ie: atlanta, Miami.

  8. WARaider Says:

    Hopefully Chaz Schilens can do and be for us what Miles Austin has done for the Cowboys.

  9. Mistabrown Says:

    According to Cable our WR’s are so good we didnt need to sign Chambers & J Walker isnt getting a chance so I don’t know how anybody can say JaDumbell doesn’t have the weapons.

    Help me out tj…..oh wait you turned on Cable like you did Kiffin, nevermind tj…oh AL has nothing to do with this right, tj?

  10. Mistabrown Says:

    Well Russell just needs to lose 7 lbs and he’ll be a “Bonafide Qb”, right 504 ?

  11. priesttj Says:

    Louis Murphy is what a rookie is supposed to be, average at best. He shouldn’t be in this situation and neither should DHB. The QB they’re playing with has no confidence in them and for good reason. He’s learning himself and has a long way to go. He cannot help them, when he can’t even help himself.

    If Chaz and Fargas had been here all year long things might be better. But you need veteran WR’s to help him when he’s under pressure. To make in game adjustments to win games. No QB in football is being asked to do what Russell is asked to do. Win with confused babies. That includes the HB’s except Fargas.

    In time it will change but right now it is very ugly. Once they get it figured out they will be very good but that will take time.

  12. MrRancho Says:

    We didnt need Chambers. HE wouldnt help or hurt this team but and hes def not worth the money or the chance.

  13. WARaider Says:

    Bootleg J. Russell more and let him pound the rock head 1st no QB slide. He is the heaviest back we have. If he gets a head of steam up with that fat ass he could pick up some 1st downs. If he gets hurt we have back-up’s that can perform if needed.

  14. Mistabrown Says:

    Rancho why would a savvy veteran WR help our team? Damn I dont know what I was thinking! DHb has ZERO Td’s, JLH has ZERO Td’s. You are right we dont need any help. And JaMeatball doesn’t need any help either, good call Rancho we have 6 or 8 guys on offense alone going to the pro bowl, right?

  15. Mistabrown Says:

    Watch out he’s 40!

    :D

    lol

  16. priesttj Says:

    Alisgod made the most sense when he said and I agree, they want them to all grow together and bringing someone else in would slow that process. It is obvious that they want that. The problem has been that the two WR’s that could’ve made a HUGE difference Chaz and JLH were both hurt. Even their Wes Welker type got hurt “Nick Miller the DB killer”. That more than anything is what caused this passing game to get this ssssslllooooooww start.

    But “Black Moses” will soon appear at a stadium near you. Dress rehearsals are still under way. Previews this winter and show premiers next season with sold out dates in early Sept 2010 get your tickets NOW!!

  17. B goes Hard Says:

    Nick Miller the DB killer? BHP put the gin and tonic down now

  18. WARaider Says:

    B Goes Hard …homo

  19. Raider75 Says:

    Tim says the best Russell could be would be Culpepper.

    wow. nothing in that statement excites me.

    End the Jabustus experiment.

  20. 504 Raider Says:

    Mista,

    Tim Brown makes a good point about Russell should have veteran WRs to help him during games. Walker should be one of the starters………Russell needs to lose about 20 lbs so he can evade a pass rush and buy more time in the pocket……….He needs a new coach. Cable is a joke.

  21. WARaider Says:

    B Goes HardSays:
    I’m way established in here and get banned repeatedly because I give the hardcore truth.
    =======================================================
    I’m impressed I bet you tell all the ladies that! I mean boys.

  22. Mistabrown Says:

    Priceless! Get your tickets for 2010 NOW guys! You cant even make this stuff up!

    N Miller has played ZERo downs of professional football yet he is a db KILLER!!! HAHAHAHA

    # priesttj Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    Even their Wes Welker type got hurt “Nick Miller the DB killer”.

    But “Black Moses” will soon appear at a stadium near you. Dress rehearsals are still under way. Previews this winter and show premiers next season with sold out dates in early Sept 2010 get your tickets NOW!!

  23. Mistabrown Says:

    Anytime you can get “Black Moses”, “Nick Miller the DB killer”, and Sept 2010 get your tickets NOW in 1 post you know you’ve struck gold..

    That one is going into the vault, thanks priest!!!!

    lmao

  24. Mistabrown Says:

    I need to come in here late night more often this is better than the 3 stooges.

    Hey priest are you at the bar as we speak typing this or is this normal activity for you at the crib sober?

  25. B goes Hard Says:

    4evaRaider that’s my dawg! He is a real Raider!

    LAtoG@y is an excuse making biaaaaaaaaaatch

    Jhill is a smart guy but is quite stubborn and knows better…….Gruden isn’t a no brainer just a guy with no brains thinks he should come back

  26. MrRancho Says:

    So your telling me that Chambers is the answer? You have got to be kidding. This season is over already there is no point to bring in any reciever that has had the same season as dhb jlg and murphy before he got to KC.

  27. 504 Raider Says:

    I think this will be Bush’s last season as a Raider. He goes down just as easy as Russell. Forget the Tampa game. We got conned by that game just like we got conned by Cable being the coach that game.

  28. Mistabrown Says:

    Wouldn’t it be cool if Nellie and Cable both got fired on the same day!

    One can dream..

  29. B goes Hard Says:

    Russell on pace for 30 turnovers……………..all hall of fame caliber WRs couldnt change that

  30. priesttj Says:

    Look we’re in the throws of a very depressing season and I need to amuse myself. So if you can’t stand it don’t read it.

    I had decent hopes for this year for development and and gaining some confidence I’m hoping that can still be realised. Nothing wrong with a little humor.

  31. B goes Hard Says:

    Mistabrown Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:16 am
    Wouldn’t it be cool if Nellie and Cable both got fired on the same day!

    One can dream
    ************************

    Cable follows orders and Nellie calls the shots

  32. Mistabrown Says:

    Nellie puts his 2 best scores on the bench to start the game Maggette & Morrow by the time they come in they are down by 10-15 pts and Curry has ZERO offensive game give him some minutes but let Watson play for fug sakes!

    And Jackson needs a new uni as bad as JaMarshmallow needs to mix in a salad.

  33. 504 Raider Says:

    Whoadie

  34. B goes Hard Says:

    Cable has already been told he wont be back next year……..this is fact

    Al is contemplating stepping down

    Now we must do these things

    Hire Bill Cowher as GM/Coach

    Install a 3-4 defense

    Find a mid level vet QB

    Get rid of Kirk,Farglass Russell, Kelly,Warren,Brown,Eugene,Green,Carlisle,Barnes and many others.

    Draft Terrence Cody or Brandon Spikes with first pick

  35. MrRancho Says:

    Poor cable…he’ll never coach another NFL team after his tour is done with the raiders. Career line coach. oh well…im ready for a freash start. This team is toast.

  36. Mistabrown Says:

    Yeah Oakglen is sharp! He predicted we run the table or at least win 8/10. And then theres the “Bonafide Qb” gaff on Russell. Cables “trajectory”….wow how does he doit tj?

  37. priesttj Says:

    And your very disrespectful just like the rest of your generation. A man’s wife is off limits in here or anywhere, show some respect for yourself at least and be a man. Instead of one of these hiphop you don’t stop emptyheaded fools.

    That is that man’s wife!! show some respect!!

  38. B goes Hard Says:

    Mista…………Maggette needs to get the maschetti, guy sucks and everyone hates him. Curry is actually a decent point guard problem is Nellie doesnt allow a team to play real basketball. Guy is a joke of a coach and always has been. Never liked his style………losers dont play D.

  39. 504 Raider Says:

    One of those Sporting News writers said that Iverson should be traded to the Warriors for Stephen Jackson. Then mentioned that it would probably end up being like swapping a migraine for a swollen hemorrhoid.

  40. Mistabrown Says:

    I wish I could stay up and watch this comedy extravaganza but I’m fading.

    priest keep posting and i’ll put your gems in the vault tomorrow….adios!

  41. priesttj Says:

    SistaBrown, Oakglenn could wipe his ass with you when it comes to football. Get in where you fit in.

  42. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Translation of Tim’s comments:

    Russell sucks.

    Al Davis sucks.

    Like he’s going to come right out in say it. He could have easily said that Russell was going to be good, and that Davis still has his fast ball. Other ex Raiders do. But Tim didn’t. Figure it out.

  43. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    B, the point is, if Michael really wanted to be white, he would have just worked with mostly white artists. Every last album michael made, right to his final work, put an emphasis on soul and r&b. Sure, he’d do a few radio tracks that were korny and wannabe rockish, but the rest of the tracks were pure soul. why does he bother if he wants to be white? Why doesn’t he just go all out toward white music, appeal to white audiences? wouldn’t have hurt him financially, either. he kept doing black music to his dying day because that’s what he loved

  44. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Brien’s just messsing with all of us, guys. Don’t take any of it personal. I just like to mix it up with him. I’m having a few beers. Obviously, Brien is too.

  45. Moose Says:

    brien call 911 i just jumped lol

  46. priesttj Says:

    MR has this boy ever seen a MJ video, or his entourage? If he says they’re all white he certainly doesn’t know him. His cook was black his doctor was black his most loyal confidante was black. Nurse black Background singers black. Musical director black. Most of the kids that came to neverland black.

    My belief is this humans are humans, no matter what color. My early militancy was due to the way my particular race was being treated. That’s what I refused to accept. I felt I was as much a human being as anyone else. And I wouldn’t accept anything less.

    But I studied my history and took 12 people to Africa when i was in college for two weeks and named my first born after an AFRICAN tribe. We went over to in ‘77 the Festac festival. To Lagos Nigeria for two weeks. Led a movement to rename East Palo Alto Nigeria. Then the 80’s appeared and everybody went for the condos and the BMW’s and lost sight of the reasons we did what we did. I got disinterested and started my family and the rest is history.

  47. Moose Says:

    i remember u praising him

  48. B goes Hard Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 1:50 am
    Brien, when you hang out with Norco and his buddies, who pumps the gas into Dave’s RV?

    ************************

    Dave is his own person, he does it

  49. B goes Hard Says:

    Moose Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 1:58 am
    i remember u praising him

    *********************

    Many did before this season then the season started and he regressed thank you

  50. B goes Hard Says:

    I never blamed other people…………..I’m blaming my own you dumb phuck!

  51. jmeds Says:

    come now children!

  52. Nnamdi21 Says:

    #81 should be retired in Oakland. Brown was awesome and deserved a ring.

    I blame Robbins and Callahan.

  53. 4evaRaider Says:

    Good Morning NATION!!!

  54. 4evaRaider Says:

    WARaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
    actually B Goes Hard… what kind of homo name is that by the way?

    I don’t see anyone else providing us with Raider info at 11:27 pm.

    By the way I am 40 years old 6′3 and 280 lbs. I’d f’n smash you boy!
    ***********************************************************
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhahahahahahahahaahahahhaa

    Foo…God made man…Colt made him EVEN

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  56. raiderzmaverick Says:

    I totally agree with Tim Brown that we need to have some sort of Veteran presence on offense. I know we are trying to build the new guys, but they should have some leadership around them. Guys to put people in their places like Ellis was doing on Defense.

    Until they change something the offense will continue to be offensively bad. Either bring in some Veteran help or change QB or both. You can’t have a QB who ain’t putting in the time throwing to receivers who don’t know what they’re doing.

    I do believe that Jamarcus could develop into something halfway descent (which is miles above where he is now) if he actually put in the extra time for real. But, I don’t see him ever doing that so from my standpoint he’ll be a major bust forever.

  57. 4evaRaider Says:

    I agree Mav…

    He needs a swift kick in the azz…He is a product of his generation,wants everything in the world but dont wanna work 4it,imo.A swift kick in the azz worked 4 my generation and I KNOW it would work in his

  58. hwnrdr Says:

    Good Morning Nation!!!
    4eva…you are so right about this generation needing a swift kick in the azz…Shoot, I even breathed wrongly, here it comes!
    Can JaMarcus do it? According to Big Al and his projector: See Kiffen, you’re wrong! We can win with JahMaacus Russell!!!

  59. neilb Says:

    morning all.

  60. neilb Says:

    What’s the deal with a game on a Thursday ? Something special or just a money maker ?

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  62. hwnrdr Says:

    Its another ploy to get a game in on another day of the week. The Raiders played in SD last year on a Thursday. This year it’s the Whiners! Usually the last 8 weeks of the year they have a Thursday nighter. I guess something to talk about on Fridays during the Holidays.
    BTW: Good Morning Neilb!!!

  63. neilb Says:

    Morning Hwnrdr…..

    I’m just looking at the calender.2 weeks today is your Thanksgiving day and next Thursday is the Gettysburg Address.Thought there was something special about today that I’d missed.

  64. neilb Says:

    calendar……sorry.

  65. hwnrdr Says:

    Nah…Thanksgiving day now has 3 games on instead of 2 (Detroit and Dallas always hosted this game). Its just a marketing thing for the NFL Network!

  66. neilb Says:

    Not complaining !! Just curious.

  67. 4evaRaider Says:

    Morning BROS…Neilb,took your and other,s advice and went the Stella Way.Thank you very much.Man that stuff is really eye opening.Being buzzed up like that allowed me 2C how childish “some” posters really are.I laughed my fuggin azz off at the lil girls on this site sooo Thankx again!!!!!!!

  68. hwnrdr Says:

    I know, it kinda had me in a surprise a few years ago, also. Its all good.
    4eva…did you see all that BS last night? I was like, “WOW”…

  69. neilb Says:

    4eva…..

    glad I could help !!

  70. neilb Says:

    Yeah…..did a little reading before I posted.Some angry people out there.You think they spend all day watching “Taxi Driver” ?

  71. 4evaRaider Says:

    Hwnrdr yes I saw that some come on here and start a pissing match.Then some are dumber still and try and take on The Grand Guru and he slaps them back into their lil girl corner,which is where they belong and shouldnt be allowed 2 leave.Those lil girls just need 2 stay on the porch and let US BIG DOGGS ROAM FREE.This way they dont get slapped down and their foolishness and insecirities are revealed 2 the NATION LMAO!!!!!!!!

    Well time 2 take my pit-bull Roxy 2 the vet BBL NATION.Have a wonderfull day NATION as I skip along~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  72. neilb Says:

    You too 4eva.

  73. hwnrdr Says:

    Yeah, I saw that. Dude was really tring last night!
    The pm posters usually are angry little people. Sometimes they get into politics and start ripping everyone that even says Hi on here. That is why I love the AM crew!!!

  74. neilb Says:

    Not sure why they’re angry.Bad day at school maybe….

  75. hwnrdr Says:

    Maybe…I guess its a way to let off steam by ripping people on an internet blog. But…not all the time its like that (although majority of the time it is). There are times when they’re talking about football or the Raiders. But of course, everyone’s opinions are different and someone comes in and doesn’t like what you stated and then…well, you know what happens…LOL

  76. neilb Says:

    Yeah,suppose it’s better than getting into a fight or being violent to your better half.

    I’ve found this on other sites aswell.Always strikes me as odd.We all love the Raiders but I get the impression that some would like to beat the crap outta others.

  77. vegas raider Says:

    4 of Kiffin’s prized recruiting class arressted for armed robbery, LOL!!!

    Good job Lane, real quality kids you are bringing to the University

  78. neilb Says:

    Armed robbery ? Have they been reading “Friday night lights” ?

  79. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    I have been on Raider blog vacation trying to get back my sanity after watching and talking about such a terrible team.

    Has anyone been looking at the plays Percy Harvin has been making for Minn.

    RR – I know you are going to say he has Farve but he usually gets small short passes and makes big plays man. We really blew it on the DHB pick over Harvin and Crabs.

  80. neilb Says:

    ….and he’s made an impact on special teams.

  81. neilb Says:

    Dinnertime….

    Have a great Thursday everyone.

  82. 4evaRaider Says:

    OK Roxy is good so so am I !!!!!

    Have a nice meal NEILB!!!

  83. Dakota Says:

    Still nothing new?

  84. 4evaRaider Says:

    Roxy is ok Dakota…just pulled ligaments!!!.I know you was wprried THANK-YOU =)

  85. 4evaRaider Says:

    wOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOrried sorry

  86. Dakota Says:

    4eva,

    Sorry I missed it…what happened to your dog? Glad to hear she is okay.

  87. 4evaRaider Says:

    Well her heart is like 5 million pounds when she plays.If some on our team would play with as much heart as Roxy we could beat all teams together at the SAME time.She play sooo hard she pulled some ligaments but otherwise is fine Thankx Dakota!!!

  88. 4evaRaider Says:

    The pm posters usually are angry little people.
    ***********************************************************

    Hwnrdr…B-I-N-G-O!!!

    And like I posted yesterday…they come in here thinking they are some how better than us normal people.Like just WHERE do they get off???And then they leave this site and think they did something 2 help.

    When others come in here and try 2 bury others…its their OWN head they trying 2 save from drowning,in ALL’s opinion

  89. 4evaRaider Says:

    4evaRaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    4evaRaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    Not yet M…But once again 4 the enjoyment of all the NATION 4ever more
    ***********************************************************M Lonetree Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    Ricochet,

    you have never uttered an original thought. how does that feel?

  90. Larz Says:

    RUSSELL SHOULD START!!!

    gRUSSELL should be our starting RB.

  91. DMAC Says:

    After alllllllllllllllllllllll that, Jabuster is still our starting QB this weekend!

  92. 4evaRaider Says:

    lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  93. DMAC Says:

    Hey 4eva
    Did you make the Luke Lawton trade or what?
    lmao

  94. 4evaRaider Says:

    No DMAC but that threw the 408 4 a loop !!!

  95. 4evaRaider Says:

    DMAC…

    I did end up trading him C.Johnson 4 Mike Wallace AND Cadillac.The 408’s has a league leading 7-2 record.Our other great NATION BROTHER Plunketthead has a 2nd best league record of 6-3.And with the addition of C.Johnson The 408Raider scores out at 96…EXACTLY THE SAME AS PLUNKETTHEAD!!!!Man I already addicted 2 FF even tho I suck at 2-7.Next year I will exact my revenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  96. DMAC Says:

    You gave him a nice addition.

  97. DMAC Says:

    Let’s see what Shaunessy can do this weekend. Looks like a real ball player.

  98. Raider75 Says:

    4eva…

    Man. You traded a good player to a league leader because you are having a bad season?

    NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!

    I’m hangin in 6th place and need some wins to stay in the playoffs and you are messing up the league.

  99. 4evaRaider Says:

    Didnt know you was in our league Raider75…and if you didnt like the trade you could have protested.I’m out of it and maybe you should propose a trade to some one else…even me!!!.Plus I will be in the same 2 leagues I am in now.The408Raider owes me 4 future consderations also,even tho there is no formal agreement…the408Raider will represent

  100. Raider75 Says:

    I’m Broncos Suck…

    You gotts do what you gotta do bro. Its all good!

  101. vegas raider Says:

    I’m working on a first round bye, and I don’t need bogus trades and a million roster moves to get there.

  102. jhill Says:

    So what are we REALLY looking forward to this weekend?

    Personally, I’m just looking for signs that we are developing into a real team, lol!

    Will the coach improve his play calling?

    Did the QB and WRs come in early and stay late?

    Will we play to our strengths and run the ball 30 times plus per game with a some play action passes?

    Will our LBs remember the first week of training camp instruction and stay in there gaps?

    Raiders 5 KC 2

  103. Dakota Says:

    Making trades for the benefit of another FFL player is very bogus. Shame on you.

  104. DMAC Says:

    Does anyone want 2 pick up DHB for their FF?
    Lmao

  105. DMAC Says:

    If Mitchell is such a hitter and has great speed, why not try him out at the LB position? (Works for me on Madden)

  106. Raider75 Says:

    But head coach Tom Coughlin made it clear on Wednesday that anyone who wants to criticize the team should criticize him.

    “I thought it was perfectly clear, but let me express it so no longer does anyone else receive any type of blame,” Coughlin said. “The blame goes right here. That’s all. . . . I’m responsible for all of the decisions that are made with our football team.”

    ……………….

    Take notes Tom Cable. That is a real coach.

  107. vegas raider Says:

    Jhill,

    I think we would all be happy if the team looked better coming out of the bye than they did going into it. If so, they should win, because this Chiefs team is real bad, and Haley is about the only coach who was ever outcoached by Tom Cable on a Sunday.

    I would like to see Chaz play, and get at least one clutch 3rd and long catch to move the chains.

    I would like to see DMac hit the hole and not fumble on the initial contact.

    Russell…….just look like you care and complete a few passes.

    And no And-1 style fake FG’s!!!!

  108. vegas raider Says:

    “He needs to have someone to kind of do that kind of stuff for him. He can guide it, but he’s going to have someone to be his eyes and ears and feet while he can’t come down on the field any more”

    **************************************

    I think Timmy is still sending smoke signals that he wants the job.

  109. 4evaRaider Says:

    And again Broncossuck…I would have prolly traded C.Johnson 2 you 2 if the price was right.

    It’s like Ralph Wilson loaning Al Davis 400,000.Help a brother out. AND…with the emergence of the Bucs new QB…I think Cadillac can run for 100 yards a game and this Mike Wallace guy is a rookie who Rothlisberger is going 2 more and more.Sooo in my way of thinking I got 2 players who may go far instead of 1 player who’s real nfl team is not playing good and other teams might start stacking the box against him

  110. 4evaRaider Says:

    In my TWISTED way of being a armchair GM/HC…and I’m a rookie

  111. 4evaRaider Says:

    Dakota…I think by seasons end we will see I got the better of the deal,imo

  112. Dakota Says:

    shame shame

  113. 4evaRaider Says:

    I mean you wer’nt talking 2 me were you Dakota???

  114. 4evaRaider Says:

    OHHHH GAWDDD

  115. Dakota Says:

    4eva, I am just playin…no worries.

  116. jhill Says:

    Byron Scott got canned, lol!

    Wonder how long before he ends up back on the Lakers staff?

  117. jhill Says:

    Vegas,

    What’s the odds of Cable lining DHB up in the slot to get him matched up on a S or LB?

    How about the chances of him getting a reverse?

  118. 4evaRaider Says:

    AND Dakota mom…I got clinton portis in case of injury 2 Cadillac. 3 players for 1 proved 2 me the408Raider is willing to do whatever it takes 2 win just like Big Al in the true spirit of the Raider Org. the408Raider put his money where his mouth is,imo

  119. 4evaRaider Says:

    I feel like Mike Ditka and Hershel Walker lol

  120. jhill Says:

    Good trade 4eva!

  121. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    “Can Al Davis bring the Raiders back to respectability?”

    Tim Brown’s answer SHOULD have been: “Yes, if the players stqart listening to Al. For example, Al said I should reire a Raider. But no, I signed that idiot deal to play in Tampa and Mr. Davis forced me to retire at the Hyatt with no team support. Point being, listen to Al.”

  122. jhill Says:

    I like the idea of Shaugnessy starting. I’d also like to see Bryant get the nod over Warren.

    Where is the young LB and nickle corner?

    I still say we need to find a way to get Huff, Branch, and Mitchell on the field at the same time.

  123. jhill Says:

    Who are we developing at RT and RG?

  124. DMAC Says:

    What happened to the cover 1 defense that was used in week 1? I like using this D w/ our fast db’s.

  125. RaiderRockstar Says:

    “he’s going to have someone to be his eyes and ears and feet while he can’t come down on the field any more.” – Tim Brown

    ***

    his name was Randy Hanson. he got fired and left the building with a broken jaw

    can we beat the Chiefs without Greg Ellis, Nick Miller & Ricky Brown ???

  126. 4evaRaider Says:

    Thanks Jhill…As you and I both know its only half-way over.And Josh Freeman came in as a rookie and BEAT THE GREEN BAY PACKERS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!.The kid didnt back down in his 1st nfl start!!! The emergence of Josh Freeman,as they are saying here in Tampa Bay after 1 game lol,is gonna open it up 4 da Caddy!!!.I see 100 yards a game 4 da Caddy…and Chris Johnson is gonna be under a microscope of other teams vying 4 a playoff spot,imo

  127. DMAC Says:

    What about Mitchell as our SLB? Can’t do worse than Brown, Alston……..

  128. 4evaRaider Says:

    well ya know I definatly dont want you down on me Dakota!!!…and I hope the beautifull MRS. is doing as well as can be expected!?!?!?!?

  129. vegas raider Says:

    4eva,

    It is going to be hard for Cadillac to rack up a lot of yards with the giant fork sticking out of his back.

  130. 4evaRaider Says:

    I too like Shaunessy starting.When Ellis comes back keep Shuanessy on the line with Ellis and move 310 SuperSeymour 2 DT.Kick out T.Kelly and put the young,strong as a bull Bryant kid in there Now THERE is a D-line that could really inflict damage 2 any O-line,imo

  131. jhill Says:

    I don’t know about MItchell as a LB, DMAC.

    I’d prefer a a Nickel defense that utilized Branch and Huff’s cover skills, with Mitchell’s ability to support the box.

    I’d love to pretend to be a GM who could come up with something like that, but I just know we ran a bunch of 3 S sets last year with Baker (Thanks, Dell!) and Mitchell can not be any worse than Routt.

  132. 4evaRaider Says:

    What chew talkin bout Vegas lol

  133. vegas raider Says:

    Jhill,

    DHB in the slot? You remember who is calling plays right?

    Now a reverse, I can see that. But how about a fake-reverse? I have seen them run a few reverses this year, and not once have they faked it.

    The Saints will run one, and than fake it later in the same game. We can’t even get Cable to switch it up halfway through the year.

  134. DMAC Says:

    Yeah I like that nickel coverage w/ Mitchell, but I loved that Cover 1 that was used in week 1. It should be used more often, since we have fast DB’s.

  135. 4evaRaider Says:

    Mon, Nov 9

    Williams had 16 carries for 56 yards in the Buccaneers’ 38-28 win over Green Bay on Sunday.

    Advice: Williams only has two touchdowns this season, but the Bucs have been behind so often it’s hard to stick with the running game. Perhaps with Josh Freeman taking over the starting job that will change, at least occasionally.

    (STATS, Inc.) Sun, Nov 8

    Williams carried the ball a team-high 16 times for 56 yards in Sunday’s 38-28 upset win over Green Bay.

    Recommendation: Williams led the team in rushing on Sunday, but Derrick Ward was arguably more productive, catching three passes for 54 yards with a touchdown. Rookie quarterback Josh Freeman played well in his first career start, throwing three touchdowns, which bodes well for Williams and the entire offense.

    (Rotowire.com)See All Notes »

  136. 4evaRaider Says:

    And all this talk of Josh Freeman…I can see the Bucs with their HUGE O-line start playing smash-mouth b/c of Freeman Thye buzz here in Tampa Bay is Freeman is the 1 player that will make ALL the others work as 1.Man Jmac please be serious as we are

  137. M Lonetree Says:

    morning gentlemen, ladies

    had a dream this morning. I was lined up at wide receiver for the Raiders. DHB was in the slot. At the snap, the DB opposite myself who was in tight man-to-man grabbed me and locked his arms around one of my legs in the most blatant hold imagineable. I looked at him and started to laugh. I looked back at the QB and JRuss waiting on us. I told DHB to slant over the middle while I tried to extricate myself from the DB’s hold. DHB just stood there unmoving.
    I finally managed to pry the DB’s hands apart and scoot a bit upfield before the DB tackled me by the ankle.
    So I’m sitting there on the ground but my hands are free, JRuss spots me and sends a floater my way which lands directly into my hands. First down Raiders on the four yard line!
    There were no flags on the play but the play was reviewed for ten minutes to see if it was a catch. We all took the ten minutes to go outside and have a smoke.
    Back in the huddle JRuss was animated and in good spirits. We knew we were going to score on the next play.
    I woke up.

  138. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    LMAO. Nice dream.

  139. 4evaRaider Says:

    Good Day Rockstar,glad you could make it!!! Gabby the iced tea is on me!!!

  140. vegas raider Says:

    I picked up Freeman, and will just stink on my bench so no one else can have him.

  141. 4evaRaider Says:

    M Lonetree…

    I think that means we will win tommorrow no matter what the squaws do.Oh and by the way…NICE CATCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  142. 4evaRaider Says:

    like orten on mine Vegas

  143. 4evaRaider Says:

    But you see it Vegas…1st game 4 Freeman…2nd year 4 Jmac…I mean we all want jmac 2 succeed

  144. 4evaRaider Says:

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS I mean Sunday feeling kinda Sunday =)

  145. morilla Says:

    When it is all said and done, JaBrisketButt will be the biggest bust EVER drafted.

  146. vegas raider Says:

    I want him to succeed to but, 2 TD’s 11 int’s and a ton of fumbles????

    If I were to imagine Jamarcus taking a huge step backwards at the beginning of the year, I never would have imagined it would be this bad. And the team is no worse through 8 games than they were last year, just him.

  147. 4evaRaider Says:

    MAAAAAAN…I hear ya Vegas

  148. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Well her heart is like 5 million pounds when she plays.If some on our team would play with as much heart as Roxy we could beat all teams together at the SAME time.She play sooo hard she pulled some ligaments but otherwise is fine Thankx Dakota!!!
    ==============
    Geez…this board is fast approaching being a joke.
    It’s like the “Losers Unite” board for some of you.

    4eva: Going shopping now.
    4eva: What beer should I buy?
    4eva: My dog doesn’t feel good.
    4eva: What’s on tv today?
    4eva: Hi raiderdogg..I missed you.
    Raiderdogg: Hi buddy. You’re the best.
    4eva: where is everyone?
    Lonetree: I’m here..hi sweetie. How’s the bursitis?

    No small wonder that the exact same “going to bed now, bye bye” or “missed you” group knows the least about football, especially the Raiders?

    Yep, Raider fans…slow, pathetic, and needy.

  149. vegas raider Says:

    I hope Tom Cable learned his lesson from the Chargers game, and has Jamarcus throw dumpoff’s and short passes and isn’t afraid to run it 3 times and punt.

    When we did that (the 3 runs and a punt) the game settled down, and the D got a turnover to setup our only TD.

    But I’m sure Tom will have Jamarcus dropping back 2 of the first 3 plays.

  150. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Good Day Rockstar,glad you could make it!!! Gabby the iced tea is on me!!!
    =======================
    See what I mean?

    What a joke.

  151. DMAC Says:

    Am I the only one who liked the cover 1 D on week 1? I think it should be used more often.

  152. 4evaRaider Says:

    4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 5:34 am
    I agree Mav…

    He needs a swift kick in the azz…He is a product of his generation,wants everything in the world but dont wanna work 4it,imo.A swift kick in the azz worked 4 my generation and I KNOW it would work in his
    ****************************************************

    You know what NATION??? I apoligise 4 this post.Josh Freeman looks like some of his generation learned something from the 1 before his.I guess 4 some reason maaaaaan.

    I guess only some paid attention

    I shouldnt generalazationize a generation =)

  153. Richochet Says:

    Don’t delay, Raider fans.
    Need to sell out by 1:00.

    You remember, don’t you?
    “Die hard fans”?
    “Most passionate fans in the NFL”?
    “Support the team, won or lose”?

    Oh wait.

    That’s the team across the bay.

    Oh right, Raider fan..bandwagon, on the fence, every excuse in the book why they DON’T support the team.

    Got it.

  154. DMAC Says:

    Who the Santa Clara Whiners?

  155. 4evaRaider Says:

    Allow Me…

    Richochet…As members of the ONLY NATION…THE RAIDER NATION,we care about each-others lives in the best of seasons,in the worst of seasons.If a couple of posters havnt seen or conversed in a while finally meet up in here ,as they have from time 2 time,we say GREAT and gladly give up the floor so they can converse.Others read on happy of the scene unfolding in front of them.You see we’re happy (The RAIDER NATION)that someone is hooking up and feeling good about it!!!Like a family,a BIG RAIDER NATION FAMILY.Which you will never understand because you will NEVER be a part of The RAIDER NATION.You are a RAIDER NATION FAMILY HATER.You attack other people like you are better than them,us.You should be happy this is a place where many feel at home 2 talk about the Raiders and things in their lives that are important to them,so that makes it important 2 you…Like a BIG RAIDER NATION FAMILY…WHICH YOU WILL NEVER BE PART OF =)

  156. Richochet Says:

    Niners have sold out 200 PLUS games in a row.

    Haven’t been to the Super Bowl in over a decade, but..they still sell out.

    Raiders? DIDN’T EVEN SELL OUT DURING THEIR 2002 SEASON.

    Same demographic area, yet such a disparity of fan support.

    Almost embarrassing.

    Well, for Raider fans, that is.

  157. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Allow Me…

    Richochet…As members of the ONLY NATION…THE RAIDER NATION,we care about each-others lives in the best of seasons,in the worst of seasons.If a couple of posters havnt seen or conversed in a while finally meet up in here ,as they have from time 2 time,we say GREAT and gladly give up the floor so they can converse.Others read on happy of the scene unfolding in front of them.You see we’re happy (The RAIDER NATION)that someone is hooking up and feeling good about it!!!Like a family,a BIG RAIDER NATION FAMILY.Which you will never understand because you will NEVER be a part of The RAIDER NATION.You are a RAIDER NATION FAMILY HATER.You attack other people like you are better than them,us.You should be happy this is a place where many feel at home 2 talk about the Raiders and things in their lives that are important to them,so that makes it important 2 you…Like a BIG RAIDER NATION FAMILY…WHICH YOU WILL NEVER BE PART OF =)
    =================
    WRONG LOSER..it’s a football blog. OAKLAND RAIDER football blog, LOSER.
    What YOU mean to say is “Yes, I’m a loser. I have nothing except hanging out online, ALL DAY, discussing stupid crap that has nothing to do with football.”

    Don’t try and justify you being on here every day, ALL DAY LONG, as it being a “family”.

    Like I said, most sign on to discuss/argue/debate football, Raiders,..something on that line.
    You?

    You’re a loser.

    Dude, you sit here AND REFRESH YOUR BROWSER A THOUSAND TIMES EVERY DAY..and when someone/anyone posts, you get all giddy and excited, and rush to say “Oh, HI…HI THERE..how are you? Hiiiiiiiiiii…where you been?”

    You’re sad, dude..

    Oh..and that “family”? LMFAO..Raider fans are the WORST FANS IN THE NFL, and that’s a fact.

    No other team has more blacked out games in the last 15 years as the Raiders. Real fans support their team..something you NEVER do.

    You’re a joke, lol..nothing more.

  158. 4evaRaider Says:

    Your the loser for considering it ONLY a football blog.Close minded you are.And it shows in everything you write.It must be soo dreary and colorless in your world.

  159. 4evaRaider Says:

    Richochet…Out of ALL your long winded garbage you spew here,it took M Lonetree only 11 words to size up your worth
    ************************************************************

    4evaRaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    4evaRaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    Not yet M…But once again 4 the enjoyment of all the NATION 4ever more
    ***********************************************************M Lonetree Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    Ricochet,

    you have never uttered an original thought. how does that feel?

  160. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 4:05 am

    Good Morning NATION!!!
    ===========================

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Roxy is ok Dakota…just pulled ligaments!!!.I know you was wprried THANK-YOU =)
    ===================

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 7:41 am

    OK Roxy is good so so am I !!!!!

    Have a nice meal NEILB!!!

    =======================
    4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 6:16 am

    Well time 2 take my pit-bull Roxy 2 the vet BBL NATION.Have a wonderfull day NATION as I skip along~~~
    =========

    ===========================================
    Please tell me you’re a woman.

    You have to be.

    Just admit it, and I’ll understand.

    See, that’s what women do. “Hi..how’s your morning?” “take care all, going to go shopping now” “Oh, I’m in such a tizzy today”

    You have to be a woman.

    Oh..and ma’am? Getting here at 4 AM Cali time? 7 am east coast time? YOU ACTUALLY WAKE UP AND RUSH TO THIS BOARD AT 7 AM?
    Hey, if you were at work, be one thing..but we know you’re not.
    So, what’s the story, lady?

  161. 4evaRaider Says:

    The actions of Jhill ALONE repudiate your words of insolence Richochet

  162. 16yearsold16yearfan Says:

    i just found something that might help you guys on a bad raider day like most sundays have turned into i hope you find this as funny as i did
    http://www.youtube.com/user/torontoismine
    he kind of reminds me of richochet and dude

  163. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Richochet…Out of ALL your long winded garbage you spew here,it took M Lonetree only 11 words to size up your worth
    ************************************************************

    4evaRaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    4evaRaider Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    Not yet M…But once again 4 the enjoyment of all the NATION 4ever more
    ***********************************************************M Lonetree Says:
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    Ricochet,

    you have never uttered an original thought. how does that feel?

    =================================
    What you mean is Smac made some sorry take directed at me.
    Lonetree propped it as being utterly fantastic.
    I then shredded Smac’s comment, and invited Lonetree to borrow someone’s balls, and help smac out..actually dared him to step up and back up the comments.

    Instead he tucked tail, whimpered off, hoping a silly reply would avoid him being pointed out as being inept.

    It didn’t.

    Thanks for bringing him up, lol..I’m sure he appreciates the setup.
    Now, you and I both know you, being a woman, don’t have any balls, but that’s no excuse for being slow, and needy.

    Still LMFAO at you with the “you’re so closed minded to think this is just a football blog. I have a good mind to hit you with my purse”

  164. 4evaRaider Says:

    Say what you will I have a good time here I dont need 2 explain anything 2 you.My life’s pretty good Our season can still be savaged so I’m hopefull 4 that.You should do yourself a favor Richochet and go in the next room and CHOKE!!!

  165. 4evaRaider Says:

    *saLvaged sorry

  166. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    The actions of Jhill ALONE repudiate your words of insolence Richochet

    ==================
    jhill? JHILL?? LMFAO..you MORON..he bailed out MONTHS AGO.

    Hell, ask him, you dumbass. The guy was toast after his first foray against me, and has been ever since.
    He’s reduced to ‘I don’t want to play”..I.E. HE WISELY CHOOSES TO SHUT THE HELL UP, CONSIDERING HOW HE’S RECENTLY FARED.

    Ok..tell you what..next time his pathetic ass shows?
    Dare him to take me on.

    Well, peanut? Come on, lol..don’t go get all moody on me..my challenge is I’ll torch his sorryass regarding the Raiders..the history, Al Davis, Russell..you name it, pumpkin.

    Here’s MY GUARANTEE..first that jhill will bail like a slapped on little child..and secondly, you’ll continue to prove to one and all that you dropped out of school in the 4th grade. (you’re not embarrassed spelling like an illiterate?)

    Don’t forget the challege..HEY..you have my permission to help him, if that will make him feel better..

    Yeah, I know..I also laughed out loud at that.

  167. DMAC Says:

    Why waste your time with this whiner?

  168. Richochet Says:

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Say what you will I have a good time here I dont need 2 explain anything 2 you.My life’s pretty good Our season can still be savaged so I’m hopefull 4 that.You should do yourself a favor Richochet and go in the next room and CHOKE!!!
    =====================
    Your life is “pretty good”??? WTF???

    You wake up and sign right on to this board..AND SIT AND STARE AT YOUR SCREEN ALL DAY…”refresh”..”refresh”..”refresh…OH..THERE’S A POSTER..OH GOODY”…”refresh”…and you do this for 8-10 hours AT A TIME..

    Shoot me now, because that’s about as sorry as it gets.

  169. Richochet Says:

    # DMAC Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Why waste your time with this whiner?
    —————–
    LMFAO..look at you.
    You’re saying nothing.
    You’re waiting to discuss shopping trips…while saying nothing.

    Geez…

  170. r8rpaver Says:

    Hay piece-o-chet
    Get back under what ever rock the came out from under…slug

  171. Richochet Says:

    4eva??

    Jhill?

    Don’t forget…I won’t let you.

    Oh..what? Backing out?

    Yeah…small wonder.

    Now get back to your quilting bee.

  172. Richochet Says:

    # r8rpaver Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Hay piece-o-chet
    Get back under what ever rock the came out from under…slug
    ====================
    Well looky here..another worm.

    Says nothing.

    Just watches.

    Wonders if you should engage..

    Yet doesn’t.

    Meekly sticks out his toe..finds water cold..and rushes back to safety..while begging the big meany stops making him soil himself.

    Hey, I know..maybe YOU can help Smac..trust me, he needs it.

    Oh wait. You’re already in the shallow end of the pool, aren’t you?

    Safer there.

  173. 4evaRaider Says:

    Look here Richochet…

    Jhill went out of his way to help a brother out,someone he had NEVER met before,someone he had only conversed with here. And you say this is ONLY a FOOTBALL BLOG where we ONLY come 2 talk Raiders football.And yet still then you go on 2 say Raider fans blah blah worst blah blah and all these cool things go on around you and you DONT EVEN KNOW IT.But it all makes sence b/c 2 us its waaaaaay more than only a Raider Blog and you come here and you aint even a fan the 9er fans kick you out???Must have.So carry on because you are already WAAAY 2 FAR GONE

  174. 4evaRaider Says:

    Thank-You…Thank-You… You guys are 2 kind lmao

  175. 4evaRaider Says:

    And always remember this Richochet…I’m a STONER

  176. LA to TheBay Says:

    Richochet Says:

    Someone else’s post.
    ===========================================
    Reply to their post

    Questions their intelligence.

    Snide remark.
    ============================================
    Reply to Richochet’s reply
    (which becomes so muddled that he must then label who is who)

    Poster: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Richochet: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Poster: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Richochet: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Poster: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Richochet: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Poster: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Richochet: xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz

    Questions their intelligence.

    Snide remark.

    Emoticon.

  177. 4evaRaider Says:

    well Richochet…Once again I thank you 4 the pleasure of being such a punching bag =) Speaking of pumpkins…thats exactly what your head looks like now after I had my “WAY” with it again.Soo lucky 4 you I am going out on a 10 or 20 mile bike ride as my property abutts a state preserve.If you are up 2 it I will beat you SILLY AGAIN ceau

  178. JB Says:

    Tim Brown – pimping for a job again. Not much else in this segment. SSDD.

  179. R8RFAN09 Says:

    It’s time for the fans to have their voices heard:

    http://evoltees.com/savethenation.html

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