Tim Brown on Russell, Davis


Some comments from former Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown on an ESPN podcast with host Jeremy Green about quarterback JaMarcus Russell and owner Al Davis:

Is JaMarcus Russell the answer?

When they drafted this kid four years ago, three years ago, whatever it was, I didn’t think he was the answer then. I was asked my opinion unofficially by someone in the organization and I told them, after being at the LSU-Notre Dame game in the Sugar Bowl and watching this kid, I just didn’t think that he had what it took to come into the NFL and be productive right away.

Now if you give him three or years to learn, and get this game under his belt, yes, but he had to come in and play right away. He missed most of his rookie year, and played sparingly because of holding out, so I just don’t know. The best you’re going to get out of this kid is Daunte Culpepper and that’s nothing to shake your head at. Daunte was a pretty good quarterback in the league for awhile and is still holding on, trying to make some plays. But the flip side of this is you could get Akili Smith. And that’s the problem you have. If he’s not willing to work, and put in the time and effort to be the best, then it’s going to be very difficult.

Do they need a veteran quarterback along with him?

At this particular point, it’s going to be JaMarcus’s job. It’s his job. So you can’t think about the quarterback. But what you can think about is surrounding him with veteran players, and when you look at his surrounding cast, I think Antonio Fargas may be the oldest guy that he’s playing with, and that’s just not a good thing. When he comes off the field, they look at each other like, `What happened?’ Nobody can explain what just happened, and I think that is the biggest problem that he has is he finds out what the problem is on Monday morning.

Antonio Fargas would indeed be quite a bit older. He is Justin Fargas’ father _ the actor who played “Huggy Bear” in the television series “Starsky and Hutch.”

I even think he needs a veteran receiver on the field with him, someone who says, `Hey, man, this is what I saw. This guy is rolling up coverage, this guy is doing this’ on this play and that play. That’s the kind of interaction a quarterback needs on the field because when you’re learning stuff on the sideline or on Monday morning, it’s not going to do you any good.

Can Al Davis bring the Raiders back to respectability?

I think he can, man, but it’s just going to be impossible for him to do it by himself. Before, when Al was able to be on the field and have a presence, I mean, he had a presence. When he walked out there, everybody tied their shoes a little tighter and made sure, well, now he can’t do that. He needs to have someone to kind of do that kind of stuff for him. He can guide it, but he’s going to have someone to be his eyes and ears and feet while he can’t come down on the field any more.


Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • Making trades for the benefit of another FFL player is very bogus. Shame on you.

  • DMAC

    Does anyone want 2 pick up DHB for their FF?

  • DMAC

    If Mitchell is such a hitter and has great speed, why not try him out at the LB position? (Works for me on Madden)

  • But head coach Tom Coughlin made it clear on Wednesday that anyone who wants to criticize the team should criticize him.

    “I thought it was perfectly clear, but let me express it so no longer does anyone else receive any type of blame,” Coughlin said. “The blame goes right here. That’s all. . . . I’m responsible for all of the decisions that are made with our football team.”


    Take notes Tom Cable. That is a real coach.

  • Jhill,

    I think we would all be happy if the team looked better coming out of the bye than they did going into it. If so, they should win, because this Chiefs team is real bad, and Haley is about the only coach who was ever outcoached by Tom Cable on a Sunday.

    I would like to see Chaz play, and get at least one clutch 3rd and long catch to move the chains.

    I would like to see DMac hit the hole and not fumble on the initial contact.

    Russell…….just look like you care and complete a few passes.

    And no And-1 style fake FG’s!!!!

  • “He needs to have someone to kind of do that kind of stuff for him. He can guide it, but he’s going to have someone to be his eyes and ears and feet while he can’t come down on the field any more”


    I think Timmy is still sending smoke signals that he wants the job.

  • 4evaRaider

    And again Broncossuck…I would have prolly traded C.Johnson 2 you 2 if the price was right.

    It’s like Ralph Wilson loaning Al Davis 400,000.Help a brother out. AND…with the emergence of the Bucs new QB…I think Cadillac can run for 100 yards a game and this Mike Wallace guy is a rookie who Rothlisberger is going 2 more and more.Sooo in my way of thinking I got 2 players who may go far instead of 1 player who’s real nfl team is not playing good and other teams might start stacking the box against him

  • 4evaRaider

    In my TWISTED way of being a armchair GM/HC…and I’m a rookie

  • 4evaRaider

    Dakota…I think by seasons end we will see I got the better of the deal,imo

  • shame shame

  • 4evaRaider

    I mean you wer’nt talking 2 me were you Dakota???

  • 4evaRaider


  • 4eva, I am just playin…no worries.

  • jhill

    Byron Scott got canned, lol!

    Wonder how long before he ends up back on the Lakers staff?

  • jhill


    What’s the odds of Cable lining DHB up in the slot to get him matched up on a S or LB?

    How about the chances of him getting a reverse?

  • 4evaRaider

    AND Dakota mom…I got clinton portis in case of injury 2 Cadillac. 3 players for 1 proved 2 me the408Raider is willing to do whatever it takes 2 win just like Big Al in the true spirit of the Raider Org. the408Raider put his money where his mouth is,imo

  • 4evaRaider

    I feel like Mike Ditka and Hershel Walker lol

  • jhill

    Good trade 4eva!

  • “Can Al Davis bring the Raiders back to respectability?”

    Tim Brown’s answer SHOULD have been: “Yes, if the players stqart listening to Al. For example, Al said I should reire a Raider. But no, I signed that idiot deal to play in Tampa and Mr. Davis forced me to retire at the Hyatt with no team support. Point being, listen to Al.”

  • jhill

    I like the idea of Shaugnessy starting. I’d also like to see Bryant get the nod over Warren.

    Where is the young LB and nickle corner?

    I still say we need to find a way to get Huff, Branch, and Mitchell on the field at the same time.

  • jhill

    Who are we developing at RT and RG?

  • DMAC

    What happened to the cover 1 defense that was used in week 1? I like using this D w/ our fast db’s.

  • RaiderRockstar

    “he’s going to have someone to be his eyes and ears and feet while he can’t come down on the field any more.” – Tim Brown


    his name was Randy Hanson. he got fired and left the building with a broken jaw

    can we beat the Chiefs without Greg Ellis, Nick Miller & Ricky Brown ???

  • 4evaRaider

    Thanks Jhill…As you and I both know its only half-way over.And Josh Freeman came in as a rookie and BEAT THE GREEN BAY PACKERS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!.The kid didnt back down in his 1st nfl start!!! The emergence of Josh Freeman,as they are saying here in Tampa Bay after 1 game lol,is gonna open it up 4 da Caddy!!!.I see 100 yards a game 4 da Caddy…and Chris Johnson is gonna be under a microscope of other teams vying 4 a playoff spot,imo

  • DMAC

    What about Mitchell as our SLB? Can’t do worse than Brown, Alston……..

  • 4evaRaider

    well ya know I definatly dont want you down on me Dakota!!!…and I hope the beautifull MRS. is doing as well as can be expected!?!?!?!?

  • 4eva,

    It is going to be hard for Cadillac to rack up a lot of yards with the giant fork sticking out of his back.

  • 4evaRaider

    I too like Shaunessy starting.When Ellis comes back keep Shuanessy on the line with Ellis and move 310 SuperSeymour 2 DT.Kick out T.Kelly and put the young,strong as a bull Bryant kid in there Now THERE is a D-line that could really inflict damage 2 any O-line,imo

  • jhill

    I don’t know about MItchell as a LB, DMAC.

    I’d prefer a a Nickel defense that utilized Branch and Huff’s cover skills, with Mitchell’s ability to support the box.

    I’d love to pretend to be a GM who could come up with something like that, but I just know we ran a bunch of 3 S sets last year with Baker (Thanks, Dell!) and Mitchell can not be any worse than Routt.

  • 4evaRaider

    What chew talkin bout Vegas lol

  • Jhill,

    DHB in the slot? You remember who is calling plays right?

    Now a reverse, I can see that. But how about a fake-reverse? I have seen them run a few reverses this year, and not once have they faked it.

    The Saints will run one, and than fake it later in the same game. We can’t even get Cable to switch it up halfway through the year.

  • DMAC

    Yeah I like that nickel coverage w/ Mitchell, but I loved that Cover 1 that was used in week 1. It should be used more often, since we have fast DB’s.

  • 4evaRaider

    Mon, Nov 9

    Williams had 16 carries for 56 yards in the Buccaneers’ 38-28 win over Green Bay on Sunday.

    Advice: Williams only has two touchdowns this season, but the Bucs have been behind so often it’s hard to stick with the running game. Perhaps with Josh Freeman taking over the starting job that will change, at least occasionally.

    (STATS, Inc.) Sun, Nov 8

    Williams carried the ball a team-high 16 times for 56 yards in Sunday’s 38-28 upset win over Green Bay.

    Recommendation: Williams led the team in rushing on Sunday, but Derrick Ward was arguably more productive, catching three passes for 54 yards with a touchdown. Rookie quarterback Josh Freeman played well in his first career start, throwing three touchdowns, which bodes well for Williams and the entire offense.

    (Rotowire.com)See All Notes »

  • 4evaRaider

    And all this talk of Josh Freeman…I can see the Bucs with their HUGE O-line start playing smash-mouth b/c of Freeman Thye buzz here in Tampa Bay is Freeman is the 1 player that will make ALL the others work as 1.Man Jmac please be serious as we are

  • M Lonetree

    morning gentlemen, ladies

    had a dream this morning. I was lined up at wide receiver for the Raiders. DHB was in the slot. At the snap, the DB opposite myself who was in tight man-to-man grabbed me and locked his arms around one of my legs in the most blatant hold imagineable. I looked at him and started to laugh. I looked back at the QB and JRuss waiting on us. I told DHB to slant over the middle while I tried to extricate myself from the DB’s hold. DHB just stood there unmoving.
    I finally managed to pry the DB’s hands apart and scoot a bit upfield before the DB tackled me by the ankle.
    So I’m sitting there on the ground but my hands are free, JRuss spots me and sends a floater my way which lands directly into my hands. First down Raiders on the four yard line!
    There were no flags on the play but the play was reviewed for ten minutes to see if it was a catch. We all took the ten minutes to go outside and have a smoke.
    Back in the huddle JRuss was animated and in good spirits. We knew we were going to score on the next play.
    I woke up.

  • LMAO. Nice dream.

  • 4evaRaider

    Good Day Rockstar,glad you could make it!!! Gabby the iced tea is on me!!!

  • I picked up Freeman, and will just stink on my bench so no one else can have him.

  • 4evaRaider

    M Lonetree…

    I think that means we will win tommorrow no matter what the squaws do.Oh and by the way…NICE CATCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • 4evaRaider

    like orten on mine Vegas

  • 4evaRaider

    But you see it Vegas…1st game 4 Freeman…2nd year 4 Jmac…I mean we all want jmac 2 succeed

  • 4evaRaider

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS I mean Sunday feeling kinda Sunday =)

  • morilla

    When it is all said and done, JaBrisketButt will be the biggest bust EVER drafted.

  • I want him to succeed to but, 2 TD’s 11 int’s and a ton of fumbles????

    If I were to imagine Jamarcus taking a huge step backwards at the beginning of the year, I never would have imagined it would be this bad. And the team is no worse through 8 games than they were last year, just him.

  • 4evaRaider

    MAAAAAAN…I hear ya Vegas

  • Richochet

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Well her heart is like 5 million pounds when she plays.If some on our team would play with as much heart as Roxy we could beat all teams together at the SAME time.She play sooo hard she pulled some ligaments but otherwise is fine Thankx Dakota!!!
    Geez…this board is fast approaching being a joke.
    It’s like the “Losers Unite” board for some of you.

    4eva: Going shopping now.
    4eva: What beer should I buy?
    4eva: My dog doesn’t feel good.
    4eva: What’s on tv today?
    4eva: Hi raiderdogg..I missed you.
    Raiderdogg: Hi buddy. You’re the best.
    4eva: where is everyone?
    Lonetree: I’m here..hi sweetie. How’s the bursitis?

    No small wonder that the exact same “going to bed now, bye bye” or “missed you” group knows the least about football, especially the Raiders?

    Yep, Raider fans…slow, pathetic, and needy.

  • I hope Tom Cable learned his lesson from the Chargers game, and has Jamarcus throw dumpoff’s and short passes and isn’t afraid to run it 3 times and punt.

    When we did that (the 3 runs and a punt) the game settled down, and the D got a turnover to setup our only TD.

    But I’m sure Tom will have Jamarcus dropping back 2 of the first 3 plays.

  • Richochet

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Good Day Rockstar,glad you could make it!!! Gabby the iced tea is on me!!!
    See what I mean?

    What a joke.

  • DMAC

    Am I the only one who liked the cover 1 D on week 1? I think it should be used more often.

  • 4evaRaider

    4evaRaider Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 5:34 am
    I agree Mav…

    He needs a swift kick in the azz…He is a product of his generation,wants everything in the world but dont wanna work 4it,imo.A swift kick in the azz worked 4 my generation and I KNOW it would work in his

    You know what NATION??? I apoligise 4 this post.Josh Freeman looks like some of his generation learned something from the 1 before his.I guess 4 some reason maaaaaan.

    I guess only some paid attention

    I shouldnt generalazationize a generation =)